Herman Cain Apologizes … to the Muslim Brotherhood
Republican presidential candidate Herman Cain has been under fire for saying communities should be able to stop the construction of mosques. So he apologized, following a visit to a mosque led by Imam Mohamed Magid, the president of Muslim Brotherhood branch the Islamic Society of North America.
On Wednesday, Cain took a tour of the All Dulles Area Muslim Society of Sterling, Virginia. ADAMS Board Member Robert Marro said:
I think that the meeting today has changed his mind 100 percent. From the tenor of the conversation, I can’t see him repeating such things. … [The apology was] as close to a heartfelt and sincere apology that I’ve seen from any politician anywhere.
A statement from Cain following the meeting read:
While I stand by my opposition to the interference of Sharia law into the American legal system … I am truly sorry for any comments that may have betrayed my commitment to the U.S. Constitution and the freedom of religion guaranteed by it. Muslims, like all Americans, have the right to practice their faith freely and peacefully.
If Cain opposes Sharia-based governance, then he picked the wrong group to reach out to.
As noted above, Mohamed Magid is also president of the Islamic Society of America (ISNA). The group says it “rejects all acts of terrorism, including those perpetrated by Hamas, Hizbullah and any other group that claims Islam as their inspiration.” However, ISNA was listed as an “unindicted co-conspirator” in the Holy Land Foundation trial. The HLF had been found guilty of being a front for Hamas set up by the Muslim Brotherhood.
ISNA, likewise, is listed in the Muslim Brotherhood’s own documents as one of its fronts.
ISNA has fought a losing battle to have this label removed. In July 2009, a judge ruled that the government had “ample evidence” connecting ISNA to the Holy Land Foundation, Hamas, and the Islamic Association of Palestine, another Brotherhood front shut down for financing terrorism. For example, HLF received checks to the “Palestinian mujahideen,” a reference to Hamas’ military wing, from ISNA accounts. As far back as the 1980s, an FBI document was warning:
[ISNA events] provided opportunities for the extreme fundamentalist Muslims to meet with their supporters.
ADAMS itself is not free of terror ties. In March 2002, ADAMS had its offices raided as part of a terrorism investigation.
Magid previously served as an advisor to the Sterling Charitable Gift Fund, which also had its offices raided.
I’m going to post this for American edification..
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/opinions/opinion/norway-shows-we-must-expose-dangerous-fictions/article2114680/comments/
Syed Abbas
8:51 AM on July 30, 2011
Mr. Saunders. We must “Expose” these types? I never thought that the anti-poor, anti-woman, anti-peace, anti-progress, anti-Muslim, pro-Zionst Tories were an underground Party. They are in power here in Canada.
Brievik’s views are neither new nor false. His statements are factual. The error lies in his interpretation and value judgment that Islam is bad and Corporate Capitalism allied with Zionism is good.
The central question of existence is Survival, Growth, and Evolution, and man will always seek a strategy that maximizes his chances. That Islam is growing both by reproduction and conversion is because it as a socio-economic system gives more bang for the buck than competing systems.
The racist Right wing/Zionist correctly point out that Islam will take over Europe. Where they are wrong is that it will be the blacks/arabs will. Even there, Zionist Steyn correctly states that the European cities after 9:30 look more like Africa and Asia than Europe, since all the young are non-white, and the white geriatrics are at home in bed. In the competitive critical range of 15-40 where it really counts, Islam may already be a majority in many European lands.
But Islamization of Europe will take place not because Islam is morally superior, or is violent, or reproduces faster, but because Islam is good for your pocket. Professor Jean Ensminger of California University has demonstrated that Tribes in Kenya convert to Islam to reduce their transaction costs. Europe will become Muslim because that will be the only way people will be able to survive in future as Economies bit dust. Today Greece, tomorrow Germany.
The conversion speaks for itself. Around ¼ of new converts are old, poor, white, males who would rather convert and improve their lives than hit shelter. The ¾ converts are young, healthy, college educated, white, prosperous females who want a family and can not find a non-Muslim male to have one with. This is the real engine of growth of Islam in Capitalist countries.
Islam is simply more economically efficient, and efficient ones win the battle for Survival, Growth, and Evolution. Here in Toronto, where the poverty line is $40,000 for a family, I know of Muslim families of 4 earning $24,000 where kids are sent to private schools.
The Capitalist-Zionist alliance has realized that their enterprise has failed, and the losers in the game will turn to what they can – violence. And they will fail.
I suggest Mr. Saunders you yourself come down from cloud 9 to Terra Firma. Perhaps it is time to visit a Muslim family, or even a mosque here in Toronto. Ramadan is coming in 2 days, and in the evening just after dusk Believers gather. And the food is free and plentiful. You can not beat that for an invitation.
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Stop treating muslims like they are in any way shape or form a human being..
Because they certainly don’t look at non-muslims as human.. especially blacks/abeeds
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It’s time to STFU (Smarten the * up)
btw.. I RELISH the opportunity to factually smack black idiot muslims upside the head with what I know..
Herman, don’t betray humans by acquiescing to your historical captors and castrators..
Anders Breivik = Guy Fawkes
Something has happened.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gi_QqX5ioWM
Like 9/11, I hear this song in the background…
Who is really evil? Make the choice.. before someone else makes it for YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
WOW! Mr. Syed Abbas should really be congratulated. I haven’t read anything that delusional for a very long time, though I occasionally read the MSM which is notoriously delusional, but I have to say even the Guardian, the NY Times and Ha’Aretz don’t even come close. This is really a masterpiece. About every other sentence is jam packed with a whole range of fallacies and lies, spiced up with richly delicious little ironies for anyone who cares to notice. But of course the jewel in the crown is the central hypothesis itself that Islam will win by way of natural selection since it offers… the best economic model. Who would’ve seen this one coming? Obviously, you and I, the average Joe and Jane, could never come up with anything like this theory. It takes a truly imaginative mind, that of a genius, or a madman, to figure out Islam would win because of its economic advantage.
“The ¾ converts are young, healthy, college educated, white, prosperous females…”
Only if by “¾ converts” you mean victims of gang-rape…
true
Well, dip me in pig slop!!! al-wala’ wa’l-bara’ !!! It’s Joo huntin’ season agin’!!! ITBAH al-YAHUD!!!!
To read the article Norway shows we must expose dangerous fictions is to wonder what the writer really knows when he classifies the writings of Bawer, Steyn, Spencer and others by describing them as the myths and fictions at the root of their core claims.
In providing an excuse of sorts for Beivik’s behaviour as being based on the myths and fictions of conservative writers the author clouds the issue and misleads the Globe and Mail’s public about the reality in Norway that drove Breivik round the bend.
The political correctness in Norway censors the open discussion of issues that would clear the air of “myths & fictions” and permit some breathing space to also discuss the incessant raping of infidel Norwegian girls.
Now the British have to swallow Sharia dictated “no-go” zones in some cities, so if someone flips his lid will it be because some writer has warned with “myths & fictions” of the culture that will not assimilate or because his cultural rights are being denied him?
Mr. Syed Abbas has some very special ideas. Europe is full of migrants from Africa and the East who have poverty in common. Islam, like socialism, ensures equal misery and poverty for all. Those migrant who makes it to get a residential permit, support themselves mainly by social welfare subsidies. The reason they’re so fertile is that each child gets a welfare check, and it also helps that Mr. Yusuf Al’Quaradawi, lead Euro Imam based in Quatar, hails the muslim womb as the prominent tool of Jihad.
Naivism and an idealistic view on life, rather a rational fact based view, ensures Europeans demise.
“The reason they’re so fertile is that each child gets a welfare check…” I’d venture to say the children have several “mothers”. Non-breeding women are discarded for young breeders, and they can’t get birth control. It’s run kind of like cattle ranches, only the ranch owners know not to interbreed the herd and it is possible children of humans need a father figure.
@Dr Bukk…it is written that because of the inbreeding in Osama Bin Ladin’s tribe, he inherited a rare kidney disease, that made him go to dialysis. If this is the case, we will see many more ill people in the USA, because of their inbreeding!
Just what we need, MORE illegal immigrants and legal immigrants using our Health system with taxpayer money.
Remember, the Muslim, Narcissist, Marxist Commander in Chief gave the Muslims immunity from Obamacare. It will be the US taxpayer that pays their medical bills.
Cancel their welfare and see how fast they emigrate. If islamic Republics were so wonderful why do their people emigrate?
Minus oil and the profits derived from their petro dollar national investment funds the entire Arab world barley exceeds Israel’s GDP. It takes three hundred million Arabs to produce the real wealth generated by five million Jews. A thought they should ponder.
Because of their Jihad to dominate the world..that is why they immigrate.
Mr.Saed Abbas, The economies of Europe are not capatilist but socialist. They are failing for the same reason that Islamic countries allways fail. They have now concept of the truth that human progress and increased wealth comes from the freedom of individual action and not from suppression of freedom by collectivist ideologies like Islam and socialism.
I can’t stand by Cain’s Dhimmi apology. This has been a fatal mistake among several mistakes his campaign has made. He needs new advisors. This will be his undoing.
Too late. Cain is (or should be) done. The same goes for Christie, who also panders to Islamic interests.
RAYMOND ,CAIN WAS DONE ALONG TIME AGO WHEN HE SAID THAT HE WOULD HAVE MUSLIMS IN HIS CABNET ,SHOULD HE BE ELECTED .NO WAY CAIN ,I AGREE WITH YOU RAYMOND ,NO WAY CAIN WILL I EVER VOTE FOR YOU ,HE”S JUST ANOTHER OBAMA!!!! THERE WAS A CAIN IN THE KING JAMES BIBLE OF WHICH I BELIVE IN, THIS FELLOW SLEW HIS BROTHER !!!CAN YOU IMAGINE THAT !!!
Jay, stop SHOUTING.
Don’t just complain – DO something about it!
No, he doesn’t need new advisors. He needs a fundamental revision of his world-view.
As it should be. Now we can lose this distraction. He’s, at best, a well-intentioned man who doesn’t understand what’s going on in this country. The sooner he is out of the race the sooner we can coalesce behind an imperfect, but acceptable candidate.
Herman Cain, the former Fed Chairman (Federal Reserve Bank of Kansas City), is not acceptable.
Herman Cain, the current Muslim apologist, is doubly unacceptable.
I wouldn’t trust a muslim in a shit house with a muzzle on,
Yes, that would bring out the gourmand in them, now wouldn’t it?
To get back on topic; all Herman Cain demonstrates is the inability to treat the problem realistically either through gross ignorance or naive opportunism.
Is this the type of representative to take care of the citizens needs?
PS: maybe Mr. Cain should look up references to “abeed” or check out the Twitter thread on “abeed” to get a handle on how racist Islam is, more in point the “whiter” arabs. maybe Mr. Cain should read a little into Islam, perhaps a first foray for the laity: Bernard Lewis – “Race and Color in Islam” – then maybe he will retract his apology.
No vote anyway – flip flop.
Down to Bolton or West or a ticket of both.
I’m afraid you’re right. By now Cain should have learned enough about Islam to know better. West and Bolton are probably the best choices. But has West even announced?
I am not sure but I think W.C. Fields, who said that a good sales man could take 2 pieces of wood nail them together and sell them to someone
I like Herman Cain. I hope he’s on the airwaves for a good, long time. But someone who falls for the Potemkin Village act is not cut out to be President.
Looks like Herman Cain could have been outmaneuvered, which is sad. He has expressed a valid concern about whether a muslim can be trusted to defend American interests. The question is a valid one if we are willing to look into the question of assimilation instead of being obsessed with a legalistic analysis of immigration.
It is quite possible that many Muslims come to America to enjoy the personal freedom which they could not have in the islamic societies they come from. This kind of exodus can only worry the islamists, to the point where Wahhabi and other terrorism-related funding finds its way into muslim institutions in the US. This is simply the oppressive tentacles of islam finding their way back into the life of those seeking to escape from their grip by moving to the West.
So Herman Cain’s original question about the loyalty of American muslims is legitimate. Before welcoming any person in his or her staff, any government official, bound by oath to defend the US constitution, should be concerned with a reasonable potential for divided loyalty. So the question today is: After losing the first battle, did Herman Cain lose everything? I say not so fast: Let’s see how it goes from here. Should a candidacy be ruined just because one of the important questions of the day was brought into the debate? I hope not.
Very good point Professor. I will wait to see.
Phony conservatives…. http://gulagbound.com/17203/the-phony-right-wing-who-is-selling-us-down-the-river-%E2%80%93-part-4-herman-cain/
I am dissapointed, again. . . . one less choice to make come 2012. . . .
For awhile there, the things Cain was saying on a number of major topics sounded good, and I thought that he, of all the potential candidates, was really informed about the Ideology of Islam—that is totally opposed to the entirety of Western freedom and democracy and wants to destroy it–and informed as well about Islam’s tactics of intimidation, subversion, terror, and conquest and, thus, Cain had arrived at the realization that Mosques were the staging grounds for fomenting Jihad and attempts at conquest, and that, in view of Muslim’s overriding, first, and foremost allegiance to Islam, there were very legitimate doubts about the trustworthiness of all Muslims in positions of power here in the U.S. and, most notably of all the candidates, he had the guts to say so; those were the correct views for any politician to hold after 9/11, and in a United States under almost constant and escalating attacks by various Muslim Jihadis since that date.
By backtracking on the Issue of Islam, Muslims, Jihad, their Mosques, and the advisability of Muslims being in positions of power, Cain has, in my eyes, totally lost any credibility that he might have had, he has caved in and sold out; he can expect no support, donations, or votes from me.
The reality of the situation is that Cain HAD to retrench, or face withering, coordinated attacks by leftists seeking to destroy him under any pretext they could, in this case “religionism”.
Being a genuine Southern 100% black man who makes sense is such a devastating threat to the MSM that they are ignoring/demonizing/investigating at warp speed and waging blistering phone & email attacks against corporate supporters.
Readers need to be comforted that he said he just listened and did not change his opinion. He HAD to diffuse this because the left infects any chink and metastasizes.
it is going to have to be admitted that ISLAM is not a religion and in USA should never have been given protected status as such.
Islam is a totalitarian,imperialistic, genocidal, hegemonic CULT determined to overthorw, and destory our laws, subjugate our people and steal our lands.
To continue the folly, the charade that ISLAM is not a political, militaristic, seditious group is suicidal for us in the WEST.
We do not give protected religious status to certain other cults, like Santeria, devil worshippers etc. Can I get privileges for my faith if it encourages death of fellow citizens? raping those who don’t dress as I like? Making others abide the rituals of my faith even though they are not part of it? Making unreasonable demands constantly and crying victim for not getting separate and unequal laws for my cult?
USA has done much to remove the majority faith Christian from forcing it’s customs or rituals on others, evnthe benign things like a nativity or cross erected. It is incredible so much leeway is given to ISLAM>>> a system by it’s own definition, forever at WAR with us. We did not declare war on their system masquerading as a FAITH, but the reverse is most certainly true-
ISlam is more dangerous than any other fascism and yet we not only tolerate but allow it, enable it and encourage it by offering respect to it as if it is, what it is not- a peaceful religion- ISLAM and Muslims are neither peaceful nor a religion.
We deserve protection and security as OUR RIGHT.
Sorry Herman, I like you, you’re a great American, but you’ve blown it. Most thinking Americans have caught onto islam and its goals. A satanic religion bent on world domination. You should have left well enough alone, your original thoughts on the islam social and political assault on our nation were the correct ones.
“While I stand by my opposition to the interference of Sharia law into the American legal system … I am truly sorry for any comments that may have betrayed my commitment to the U.S. Constitution and the freedom of religion guaranteed by it. Muslims, like all Americans, have the right to practice their faith freely and peacefully.”
That’s not what the Constitution says. It says that Congress (ONLY) can’t pass a law respecting an establishment of religion. The states or the people can (if their state Constitutions allow it).
Cain is all right, but there are a lot better people out there than he is, when it comes to a presidential candidate.
Cain strikes me as a guy who has been a Republican all his adult life. He has pursued business, and has paid only cursory attention to the world of politics. Suddenly, he can see we’re in a mess, and he thinks he can fix it with managerial skills… while being ignorant of most of the politics. He’s a johnny-come-lately.
If he is the nominee, I’ll vote for him, but he should not be the nominee. He simply does not know enough. He does not yet have a consistent world-view of his own. There has not been enough reading and thinking about political philosophy.
“Reagan In His Own Hand” demonstrated that the “amiable dunce” had actually done a lot of reading and thinking and writing. From the things Herman Cain says, he is no Ronald Reagan.
Bachmann is far more advanced along that path, but is still a work in progress. She also lacks Cain’s executive experience. Palin is like Bachmann, but has executive experience. “Flip-flop Mitt” also has no consistent philosophy other than whatever will get him elected. Paul is consistent, but… Geez. The whole field is very flawed, sadly. In 8 years, the Republican Party will have a whole array of stars to offer us. The 2020 election will be something, but we do not have 8 years.
Well said, Mr. Malone.
I’m still baffled by the idea some people have that business acumen automatically makes for a good President.
I suppose if one believes that money is all that is important, such a conclusion might make sense.
Silly idea, though. Money is all important only to small-minded people. It’s true that the likes of Obama, Clinton, Stalin, Mao, etc. all enjoy the wealth that comes with power, but power is what they crave above all.
Very few, if any, achieve an “A list” position in politics simply because of money. That kind of motivation is for the second and third string players.
Mr. Cain, President of God Father’s pizza.
Flipping dough and producing pizza is Mr. Cain’s forte. He brings this acquired ability to the political arena.
He has learned that by deftly “flipping” any subject, dress it up with some tasty topping, bake it and VOILA! A pizza! is the path to sucess.
Trouble is a pizza, Mr. Cain, is a product of a few simple ingredients. Now, 1) religion, 2) Education, 3)Government, and 4) America’s financial future are not mere simple ingredients, Mr. Cain, but very complex problems, requiring insightful, intelligent forethought…not backpeddaling, as one would do in fixing a poorly baked pizza.
Oh, this is so disappointing! Another one bites the dust.
Perhaps Cain was persuaded by the people like Keith Ellison:
http://www.voanews.com/english/news/Congressman-Misunderstanding-of-Islam-Continues-in-the-US-126480618.html
Is Herman Cain so desperate for donations or has he simply drunk the cool aid. Either he lacks moral courage or he is a fool. I am truly disappointed but I can no longer consider voting for him.
I don’t understand why infidels are CONSTANTLY apologizing to Muslims.
Why did the world wide Muslim community – the Ummah – not apologize for the 9/11 slaughter of innocents?
Why did Muslims in America and other countries instead of apologizing for the 9/11 massacre – celebrate in the streets?
Why did thousands of Palestinian Authority Muslims instead of apologizing, celebrated the slaughter of our cherished 3,000? The Muslims went wild with joy and delight – dancing in the streets, passing out sweets and firing into the air.
Instead of apologizing, why are Muslims building a 9/11 victory mosque to HONOR Islam at sacred Ground Zero where their fellow Muslims murdered our cherished 3,000?
Why do Muslims and their supporters show contempt for our pain, grief and tears over the dreadful betrayal of our 3,000; harshly condemn us and call us bigots?
Linda, Sorry to say, the answer is Cajones deficiency!
The islamists are not the kind of bullies we are familiar with, but they are bullies nevertheless. Like ordinary bullies, they stand tall until someone finally confronts them instead of bashfully accomodating them. But, as psychiatrists well know, all that applies to bullies in general applies to the islamists in particular: They have to be confronted with sufficient determination, because that’s the only thing that makes them back off. Nearly 10 years after 9/11, they have not been confronted as much as they should have, but some courageous individuals are doing their part, and in fact many of them are women:
Just Google Pamela Geller, Wafa Sultan, Phyllis Chesler, Aayan Hirsi Ali, and Brigitte Gabriel, for instance. Of course there are many more, and what we need to do is join their ranks, oppose the bullies and in the bargain shame the cowards (including those in high places) who don’t know better than to accomodate, and make unnecessary and damaging concession, such as not prosecuting all those who commit honor killings for instance, in the name of Sharia law, which is most definitely incompatible with US laws. It really is a matter of personal commitment and personal courage and determination, as it always is in such matters. The islamists will be defeated if and only if we gather the courage to expose them, confront them and defeat them.
Like all victories, this one has to be earned. But there is nothing new about this, as Thomas Jefferson had to create an expeditionary force (Today known as the US Marines) to confront the muslim pirates of the western and northern African coasts, during the mostly forgotten Barbary wars some two centuries earlier. It was the same scenario: These muslim pirates were the terrorists of their day, and they kept collecting the bribes from our merchant ships until they met a force determined enough to make them back off, which they did! The Islamic doctrines actually allow for defeat: When it comes, the vanquished bullies accommodate themselves to the outcome, because it is acceptable for them to conclude that this is how Allah wanted it.
But Allah is not going to want it unless we do our part. Some day George W. Bush will be recognized for the political capital he had the courage to invest in the effort, but at the present time the nation seems to be weary of the effort. Fortunately, we have the veterans of Iraq and Afghanistan, among whom our next models of courage and future leaders will emerge, as already evident in the case of Rep. Allen West from Florida, and probably many others of lesser visibility. Let’s not get discouraged, and let’s not abandon the fight!
Indeed.
When pressed to codemn the 9/11 attacks, the Muslim leader’s stock answer was, “I condemn all acts of terror.”
Pressed to specifically condemn the 9/11 attacks, they repeat the blanket statement, “I condemn all acts of terror”.
For some, the light bulb never turns on. They do not hear– between the words –the real Islamist answer, which is, “I condemn all acts of terror, but the attacks of 9/11 were not acts of terror. They were justified.”
The best the Muslim leaders can do is “I condemn the 9/11 attacks…BUT, you have to understand…”
Linda Rivera, you are absolutely correct. Infidels should not be apologizing to Muslims– let alone repeatedly. And the “Victory Mosque” must never be allowed at Ground Zero.
Mr Cain, Our votes or the muslim’s votes, your call..
As for Syed dream on.
Herman Cain is not interested in being the anti-Muslim candidate. He is the pro-America candidate whose position on the matter of Constitutional sovereignty is clearest. Mr. Cain is all about jobs, economic mobility, and restoring a-political common sense to Washington, DC.
It’s not about Islam, it’s about America.
Moshe
Read the Qur’an, the Hadiths, and the Sira—the three fundamental texts of Islam, then read, not the apologists for Islam, but those writing about the real history of Islam, and you will see that Allah, Muhammad, and Islam have commanded Muslims to conquer the entire World for Allah and Islam and, in doing so, to rid that world of all of us “unbelievers” through conversion, slavery, submission, or death.
Read and you will see that in the centuries after Muhammad’s death in 632 A.D. Islam and Muslims quickly conquered almost half the known world, destroyed and occupied (and still do today) what had been a Christian Middle East and North Africa, destroyed the Eastern Roman Empire (Byzantium) and perhaps helped bring on the Dark Ages, tried to conquer India and inflicted a massive death toll on Hindus (an attempt at conquest that continues today), largely extinguished Buddhism in Central Asia, raided and occupied parts of the Mediterranean, Greece, Spain, and Eastern Europe, captured and sold an estimated 17 million slaves, created, ran, and profited from a world-spanning system of slavery (which still exists in some parts of the Muslim word today), constantly sent raiding parties (razzias) and armies out by land and sea to destroy, loot, to take slaves, and to spread terror along the coasts and on the European landmass, and made a good stab at conquering the entire World, killing an estimated (according to Muslim’s records) 230 million unbelievers in that 1,400 year process.
Without directly confronting, calling out, and very deliberately halting the advance of Islam and Jihad in all its forms—both violent terror and Jihad and the stealth Jihad of infiltration and subversion, lawsuits, Takiyya and Kitman, publicity campaigns, Muslim “indignation” and intimidation, Muslim controlled “no-go” areas, and Muslim’s ever increasing and strident demands for “accommodations” to Muslim’s sensitivities, culture, and elements of Shari’a law—as is happening with greater and greater rapidity right now in Europe—soon to become Eurabia–there will soon be no “America” as we know it in which all those other issues you speak of will matter to us because, if Islam and Muslims have their way, we “unbelievers” will all be “slaves of Allah” as so many tens of millions of ‘unbelievers” were in the past; we will be, at best, second class citizens, “dhimmis” paying ruinous annual “protection money” (Jizya) to Muslim rulers to spare our lives, our property, and our persons from despoliation, violence, or death (as happened during Muslim’s 800 year occupation of Spain) and, if we resist, we will be killed. Such payment of Jizya to Muslims has already happened once in America, when our Congress paid Jizya to the Muslim Barbary Pirates for the 20 years from 1785 to 1805–up to 20% of our entire national budget each year, paid as protection money so that our vital sea trade would not be cut off.
This is the very successful playbook of infiltration, intimidation, subversion, terror, violence, murder, and conquest that Islam and Muslims have followed for almost 1,400 years now, and the same playbook they are following today in Europe and here in the U.S.
An excellent summary of the history and true character of Islam. It’s baffling, after all the ignorant nonsense that has been posted here, that no one else has acknowledged having read and appreciated your contribution. Thanks.
Mr. Cain used to be at the top of my list. His stock just dropped considerably.
Islam isn’t a “religion.” It is a self contained ideology, just like communism, complete with laws, government, and state religion. It doesn’t deserver tolerance any more than communism did.
Anyone who supports Amendment 1′s provision for “freedom of religion” should be lauding Cain for being true to the Constitution. Hello Constitutionalists! You’re either going to be true to Yahweh and the First Commandment or to WE THE PEOPLE and the First Amendment. ” How long halt ye between two opinions? If YHWH be God, follow him: but if Baal (and ancient form of WE THE PEOPLE), then follow him.” (1 Kings 18:21)
See “Amendment 1: Government-Sanctioned Polytheism” at http://www.missiontoisrael.org/biblelaw-constitutionalism-pt11.php.
Islam is a religion, and thus the First Amendment prohibits any law limiting the freedom of Muslims to build a mosque and worship there. There is NO way any real conservative can get around this fact.
The solution is to stop immigration from countries that are mostly Islamic. The idea that Islam – a religion – can be banned in the USA is ludicrous.
You need to be less ignorant when quoting the Constitution.
“Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;”
Do you see the word Congress? Doesn’t say all governing bodies.
Also Islam is not a religion, the word is not even a noun, it’s a verb. Islam is one’s submission or devotion to God. What you are calling Islam is the Muhammadan theo-political system.
If you truly believe in separation of religion and government, then you too are against Muhammadans. We may not be able to legally deny them immigration, but states and communities can deny them free reign.
It is ludicrous to say that Islam is not a religion. The only reason people make such a claim is in an attempt to protect the polytheistic-promoting First Amendment. Islam IS a religion. It just takes its religion more seriously than does modern Christianity. Even if it weren’t a religion, the First Amendment still provides for every other non-Christian religion under the sun and is, therefore, still a violation of the First Commandment. Consequently, for Christians, it still comes down to Yahweh or WE THE PEOPLE.
Are you aware that the founders did not consider islam before writing the Bill of Rights? A proof is the fact that Jefferson had to read the quran himself to know what kind of evil he was dealing with when at war with the Barbary kingdoms..
The First Amendment was not designed to allow Barbary Pirates the ability to set up beachheads with all the rights and privileges of American Citizens..
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Barbary_War
In March 1785, Thomas Jefferson and John Adams went to London to negotiate with Tripoli’s envoy, Ambassador Sidi Haji Abdrahaman (or Sidi Haji Abdul Rahman Adja). Jefferson and Adams inquired as to “the ground of the pretensions to make war upon nations who had done them no injury”, to which Jefferson reported the ambassador’s reply:
“It was written in their Koran, that all nations which had not acknowledged the Prophet were sinners, whom it was the right and duty of the faithful to plunder and enslave; and that every mussulman who was slain in this warfare was sure to go to paradise. He said, also, that the man who was the first to board a vessel had one slave over and above his share, and that when they sprang to the deck of an enemy’s ship, every sailor held a dagger in each hand and a third in his mouth; which usually struck such terror into the foe that they cried out for quarter at once.”
islam is not a religion.. it’s an amorphous country of citizens that all read from the exact same books.. The quran is literally their constitution, the hadiths are their federalist papers.. shariah is their divine code of law that demands priority over all muslim citizens of the ummah..
“It just takes its religion more seriously than does modern Christianity.”
correction.. muslims take their country more seriously than do modern Americans.. Thus we have allowed that which would have been anathema to the great Americans who fought the exact same people so long ago.. Yes they are exactly the same.. The books have never changed.. Imagine if the quran was demonized like Mein Kampf.. Imagine if Mein Kampf was allowed to be considered a sacred tome.. Not much difference..
btw.. No other religion calls for the world to be converted by sword, if need be.. The only other faith with a lust for control of the world is the baha’i.. That figures since it’s prophet claimed to be the the islamic second coming of isa.. They seem to be doing a good job helping muslims with their religious belief in ‘unity in diversity’..
Anyways.. ludicrous is believing exactly what your enemy claims as fact..
Van, thank you for your input. Yes, I am aware of the history you provided. Regardless, whether you view Islam as a religion or not, the First Amendment provided for First Commandment violations. With the ratification of the First Amendment, we ceased being one nation under God (Yahweh) and became one nation under many gods.
I am as or more opposed to Islam in our country as anyone on this forum. But the argument that Islam is not a religion is not going to get us anywhere. Some day, Christians are going to have to face up to and address the reason the Muslims and other infidels promoting their religions are even here in America. The fact is, had the framers fashioned a government like those the Colonialists did, based upon Yahweh’s moral law (His commandments, statutes, and judgments), we would not have the Muslim problem in America today. The fact is, the genesis of the Ft. Hood massacre (and others to come) is the First Amendment (along with Article 6). See also “Article 6: The Supreme Law of the Land” at http://www.missiontoisrael.org/biblelaw-constitutionalism-pt9.php.
“we ceased being one nation under God (Yahweh) and became one nation under many gods.”
I’m sorry, which Creator was the Declaration referring to?
allah is not God.. You cannot have a Constitution without the Declaration..
The only reason we have muslims is because of Jet Engines which the Founders could NEVER have foreseen.. think about it..
“The fact is, had the framers fashioned a government like those the Colonialists did, based upon Yahweh’s moral law (His commandments, statutes, and judgments), we would not have the Muslim problem in America today.”
Ummm.. why don’t you try to think of a Declaration based on allah as the Creator instead of the God you and I both know and love..
“Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.” John Adams..
Remember Sir, the Founders only were dealing with the various Christians.. but they knew at the core of all the schisms of Christian belief was a core of belief that would sustain the nation..
It’s not the Constitution that’s the problem.. It’s the people who were allowed to subvert the true intent of the Founders vision that screwed up the Great Experiment..
You seem to think that herding cats would have been the correct path for America.. The Founders did the best they could under the circumstances..
With so many different views on the Bible, what group of morons would force one way of God’s law unless they were trying to make Caesar and God one and the same? Cause you know that’s what it would take to make everyone follow the exact same religious laws..
Stop being a fool.. Nobody gets to even read the Holy Bible if there is only one way to worship.. I now point to the long and sorted history of the Catholic Church to prove my point..
wake up..
The framers weren’t in quite the time warp you seem to thin they were. The framers went forward with the wording in both Article 6 and Amendment 1, knowing full well that Muslims, or Mohhametans as they were known then, would not only be given full religious rights but also full citizen rights, including holding government office. For example, a delegate to North Carolina’s ratifying convention objected that (in this instance, Article 6) would allow “pagans, deists and Mohametans” to seek office.
Again, I would ask you to read “Amendment 1: Government-Sanctioned Polytheism.” You may want to first read “Article 6: The Supreme Law of the Land?” (See links above.) You will find other primary source quotations like the one I just provided, all of them, fully documented.
So rectify the mistake by amending the Constitution to exclude muslims.. as they are citizens of a different nation, they are not eligible for any office.
Look up the ORIGINAL 13th amendment..
“If any citizen of the United States shall accept, claim, receive, or retain any title of nobility or honour, or shall without the consent of Congress, accept and retain any present, pension, office, or emolument of any kind whatever, from any emperor, king, prince, or foreign power, such person shall cease to be a citizen of the United States, and shall be incapable of holding any office of trust or profit under them, or either of them.”
problem solved..
thanks for coming out..
If you hold to God so much, why do you give islam the benefit of the doubt in terms of actual faith in God?
You seem to me a defeatist.. 1100 years of islam made it a religion to the Founders..
I take a different tack, knowing what I know..
You seem to think that it’s as simple as declaring a Judeo-Christian State that would save us.. how has that ever worked before?
If you can’t convince People at large to follow the correct path voluntarily, what the hell makes you think mimicking the islamic way would be so successful..?
God only helps those who help themselves.. America made that idea possible..
It’s not the framework that failed.. it’s the people who lost their way.. with help from the evil asswipes who love the evil islam promotes..
btw.. I mentioned the baha’i because you don’t seem to know what is really going on.. why don’t you tell me about them? You want to engage in a spiritual battle but you don’t really know the current players and their 100 year history of attack against America..
again.. wake up..
btw.. mecca is the foreign power..
hence the reason they prostrate towards it..
personally, I say nuke it..
Cain, as far as I am concerned, is no longer a contender for the Presidency. For most Americans he could just as soon play Russian Roulette with a full magazine as far as they are concerned. He’s history.
Cain will never get my vote. Don’t trust wishy washy Moderate’s. Stand for what you believe.
Another moderate RINO !!
Here’s my problem. I’m a lawyer. I don’t know squat about Sharia law. If Sharia law becomes the law of the land, I’m out of business or I’ll need to learn a whole new system of law. I don’t want to have to do that. So Sharia law is a direct threat to my livelihood, which, if I say so myself, is highly lucrative. So keep up the good work making sure Sharia law never sees the light of day in the good old USA.
THAT’S ONE THING WRONG WITH AMERICA TODAY EVERYBODY IS AFRAID TO TAKE A STAND ON ANYTHING. NO TRUE AMERICAN OWES THE MUSLIM BROTHERHOOD A D%$# APOLOGIZE OR ANYTHING ELSE. HERMAN CAIN REALLY LET ME DOWN WHEN HE OPENLY APOLOGIZED TO THIS GROUP OF DUMMIES. THERE IS NO ONE IN OUR GOVERNMENT OR WHO IS RUNNING FOR PRESIDENT WHO WILL TAKE A STAND AGAINST THIS GROUP OR TO THE UNJUST PRESIDENT WHO HAS TAKEN OVER OUR COUNTRY. OUR BELOVED AMERICA IS GOING TO HELL AS FAST IT CAN. OUR ADMINISTRATION AND OUR GOVERNMENT HASN’T GOT ENOUGH SENSE TO FIND THEIR OWN A$# WITH BOTH HANDS IN THEIR BACK POCKETS. THAT IS FROM THE TOP TO THE BOTTOM IN OUR SO CALLED GOVERNMENT. I DON’T FEAR MY GOVERNMENT I JUST DON’T TRUST THEM.TO THE LEFT, LEFT WING LIBERALS, I AM GLAD I ONLY HAVE TO ANSWER TO ONE PERSON AND THAT IS JESUS CHRIST.