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		<title>By: Iam-ru Awake</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/blog/herding-us-into-obamacare/#comment-370329</link>
		<dc:creator>Iam-ru Awake</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Aug 2009 07:58:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sheep? It&#039;s absolutely fascinating how quickly big pharma and Fox News can whip up a frenzy-fest of people fighting against their own best interests:

How providing cost reducing OPTIONS can be twisted into ---&gt; &quot;a government take-over of health care&quot;.

How providing free LIVING WILL CONSULTATIONS, can be twisted into ---&gt; &quot;Obama&#039;s death panels&quot;.

How providing PREVENTATIVE CARE INCENTIVE for doctors, can be twisted into &quot;government coming in between you and your health care provider&quot;.

HOW FINALLY PROVIDING ADEQUATE CARE FOR AMERICANS WHO CAN LEAST AFFORD IT, IS TWISTED INTO ---&gt; &quot;SOCIALIZED MEDICINE&quot;


I have one simple request for anyone reading this:
Think for one moment what will occur if the insurance lobby wins and no real reform is passed:

Carefully think about this and ask yourself if you are happy with your health insurance cost going up by 200% the rate of inflation year, after year, after year.

Ask yourself if you are happy with millions of jobs being shipped overseas due to high health costs in the U.S.

Ask yourself if you will be happy as the U.S. health system continues to spend a higher portion of its gross domestic product than any other country, but continues to rank WORST in preventable deaths among industrialized nations. WORST!!!

If this really is a Christian nation, as most would claim, I am seeing fewer and fewer signs of it every day. What ever happened to, &#039;Amen, I say to you, whatever you did for one of these least brothers of mine, you did for me.&#039;?

I can&#039;t help but to wonder why those angry mobs at the town hall meetings are not fighting FOR the PUBLIC OPTION rather than against it? Why they are not picketing the insurance industry that is financially incentivized to DENY your coverage (based on pre-existing conditions, etc. etc. etc.) when it comes time to anti-up. Why medical payments are STOPPED, after a fixed period of time, EVEN THOUGHT YOU HAVE MADE INSURANCE PAYMENTS LIKE CLOCKWORK YOUR ENTIRE ADULT LIFE.

You want to see a REAL death panel at work? Just look into the current practices of the most popular health insurance providers.

Get the facts, and then get real folks. If you help to blow THIS CHANCE for high quality health care that EVERYONE can afford, then there may never be another opportunity to actually once-and-for-all get this one right.

References:
http://www.nchc.org/facts/cost.shtml
http://www.americashealthrankings.org/2008/index.html
http://www.who.int/whr/2000/media_centre/press_release/en/index.html
http://www.reuters.com/article/healthNews/idUSN0765165020080108
Matthew 25:40</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sheep? It&#8217;s absolutely fascinating how quickly big pharma and Fox News can whip up a frenzy-fest of people fighting against their own best interests:</p>
<p>How providing cost reducing OPTIONS can be twisted into &#8212;&gt; &#8220;a government take-over of health care&#8221;.</p>
<p>How providing free LIVING WILL CONSULTATIONS, can be twisted into &#8212;&gt; &#8220;Obama&#8217;s death panels&#8221;.</p>
<p>How providing PREVENTATIVE CARE INCENTIVE for doctors, can be twisted into &#8220;government coming in between you and your health care provider&#8221;.</p>
<p>HOW FINALLY PROVIDING ADEQUATE CARE FOR AMERICANS WHO CAN LEAST AFFORD IT, IS TWISTED INTO &#8212;&gt; &#8220;SOCIALIZED MEDICINE&#8221;</p>
<p>I have one simple request for anyone reading this:<br />
Think for one moment what will occur if the insurance lobby wins and no real reform is passed:</p>
<p>Carefully think about this and ask yourself if you are happy with your health insurance cost going up by 200% the rate of inflation year, after year, after year.</p>
<p>Ask yourself if you are happy with millions of jobs being shipped overseas due to high health costs in the U.S.</p>
<p>Ask yourself if you will be happy as the U.S. health system continues to spend a higher portion of its gross domestic product than any other country, but continues to rank WORST in preventable deaths among industrialized nations. WORST!!!</p>
<p>If this really is a Christian nation, as most would claim, I am seeing fewer and fewer signs of it every day. What ever happened to, &#8216;Amen, I say to you, whatever you did for one of these least brothers of mine, you did for me.&#8217;?</p>
<p>I can&#8217;t help but to wonder why those angry mobs at the town hall meetings are not fighting FOR the PUBLIC OPTION rather than against it? Why they are not picketing the insurance industry that is financially incentivized to DENY your coverage (based on pre-existing conditions, etc. etc. etc.) when it comes time to anti-up. Why medical payments are STOPPED, after a fixed period of time, EVEN THOUGHT YOU HAVE MADE INSURANCE PAYMENTS LIKE CLOCKWORK YOUR ENTIRE ADULT LIFE.</p>
<p>You want to see a REAL death panel at work? Just look into the current practices of the most popular health insurance providers.</p>
<p>Get the facts, and then get real folks. If you help to blow THIS CHANCE for high quality health care that EVERYONE can afford, then there may never be another opportunity to actually once-and-for-all get this one right.</p>
<p>References:<br />
<a href="http://www.nchc.org/facts/cost.shtml" rel="nofollow">http://www.nchc.org/facts/cost.shtml</a><br />
<a href="http://www.americashealthrankings.org/2008/index.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.americashealthrankings.org/2008/index.html</a><br />
<a href="http://www.who.int/whr/2000/media_centre/press_release/en/index.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.who.int/whr/2000/media_centre/press_release/en/index.html</a><br />
<a href="http://www.reuters.com/article/healthNews/idUSN0765165020080108" rel="nofollow">http://www.reuters.com/article/healthNews/idUSN0765165020080108</a><br />
Matthew 25:40</p>
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		<title>By: domino</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/blog/herding-us-into-obamacare/#comment-363815</link>
		<dc:creator>domino</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jul 2009 20:11:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Send SOS to Senators. SOS stands for Save Our Seniors,For our seniors it is more like Obama Scare instead of Obama care.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Send SOS to Senators. SOS stands for Save Our Seniors,For our seniors it is more like Obama Scare instead of Obama care.</p>
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		<title>By: Chuck Pelto</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/blog/herding-us-into-obamacare/#comment-363802</link>
		<dc:creator>Chuck Pelto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jul 2009 19:53:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>TO: All
RE: vivo and Pathological Lying

&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;i&gt;And also tell them that a great majority approves it.&lt;/i&gt; -- vivo&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Obama&#039; rating has plummeted over the last few weeks. And, according to reasonably reliable sources all over this &#039;healthcare&#039; c---.

And yet this &#039;idiot&#039; insists that US is all behind turning our lives, in a literal sense, over to the federal government.

vivo, is, by my understanding, a total idiot OR, more likely, someone who thinks his healthcare will be better than that provided the rest of US.

Regards,

Chuck(le)
[The Truth will out....]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>TO: All<br />
RE: vivo and Pathological Lying</p>
<blockquote><p><i>And also tell them that a great majority approves it.</i> &#8212; vivo</p></blockquote>
<p>Obama&#8217; rating has plummeted over the last few weeks. And, according to reasonably reliable sources all over this &#8216;healthcare&#8217; c&#8212;.</p>
<p>And yet this &#8216;idiot&#8217; insists that US is all behind turning our lives, in a literal sense, over to the federal government.</p>
<p>vivo, is, by my understanding, a total idiot OR, more likely, someone who thinks his healthcare will be better than that provided the rest of US.</p>
<p>Regards,</p>
<p>Chuck(le)<br />
[The Truth will out....]</p>
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		<title>By: vivo</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/blog/herding-us-into-obamacare/#comment-361700</link>
		<dc:creator>vivo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Jul 2009 23:54:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>69. Kelly:

&quot;Please call the Blue Dog Democrats today and tell them you oppose the HR 3200 Health Care Reform Bill.&quot;

And also tell them that a great majority approves it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>69. Kelly:</p>
<p>&#8220;Please call the Blue Dog Democrats today and tell them you oppose the HR 3200 Health Care Reform Bill.&#8221;</p>
<p>And also tell them that a great majority approves it.</p>
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		<title>By: Kelly</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/blog/herding-us-into-obamacare/#comment-361504</link>
		<dc:creator>Kelly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Jul 2009 20:28:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Please call the Blue Dog Democrats today and tell them you oppose the HR 3200 Health Care Reform Bill. Time is of the essence, call at least a few!

Jason Altmire Dem Labor BlueDog PA Washington DC (202) 225-2565
Michael Arcuri Dem BlueDog NY Washington DC (202) 225-3665
John Barrow Dem Energy BlueDog GA Washington DC (202) 225-2823
Marion Berry Dem BlueDog AR Washington DC (202) 225-4076
Sanford Bishop Dem BlueDog GA Washington DC (202) 225-3631
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Dan Boren Dem BlueDog OK Washington DC (202) 225-2701
Allen Boyd Dem BlueDog FL Washington DC (202) 225-5235
Kevin Brady GOP Ways TX Washington DC (202) 225-4901
Bobby Bright Dem BlueDog AL Washington DC (202) 225-2901
Dennis Cardoza Dem BlueDog CA Washington DC (202) 225-6131
Christopher P. Carney Dem BlueDog PA Washington DC (202) 225-3731
Ben Chandler Dem BlueDog KY Washington DC (202) 225-4706
Travis Childers Dem BlueDog MS Washington DC (202) 225-4306
Jim Cooper Dem BlueDog TN Washington DC (202) 226-1035
Henry Cuellar Dem BlueDog TX Washington DC (202) 225-1640
Lincoln Davis Dem BlueDog TN Washington DC (202) 225-6931
Joe Donnelly Dem BlueDog IN Washington DC (202) 225-3915
Brad Ellsworth Dem BlueDog IN Washington DC (202) 225-4636
Gabrielle Giffords Dem BlueDog AZ Washington DC (202) 225-2542
Bart Gordon Dem Energy BlueDog TN Washington DC (202) 225-4231
Parker Griffith Dem BlueDog AL Washington DC (202) 225-4801
Jane Harman Dem Energy BlueDog CA Washington DC (202) 225-8220
Stephanie Herseth Sandlin Dem BlueDog SD Washington DC (202) 225-2801
Baron Hill Dem Energy BlueDog IN Washington DC (202) 226-6866
Tim Holden Dem BlueDog PA Washington DC (202) 225-5546
Frank M. Kratovil, Jr. Dem BlueDog MD Washington DC (202) 225-5311
Jim Marshall Dem BlueDog GA Washington DC (202) 225-6531
Charlie Melancon Dem Energy BlueDog LA Washington DC (202) 225-4031
Mike Michaud Dem BlueDog ME Washington DC (202) 225-6306
Dennis Moore Dem BlueDog KS Washington DC (202) 225-2865
Patrick J. Murphy Dem BlueDog PA Washington DC (202) 225-4276
Glenn Nye Dem BlueDog VA Washington DC (202) 225-4215
Collin Peterson Dem BlueDog MN Washington DC (202) 225-2165
Mike Ross Dem Energy BlueDog AR Washington DC (202) 225-3772
John Salazar Dem BlueDog CO Washington DC (202) 225-4761
Loretta Sanchez Dem BlueDog CA Washington DC (202) 225-2965
Adam Schiff Dem BlueDog CA Washington DC (202) 225-4176
David Scott Dem BlueDog GA Washington DC (202) 225-2939
Zack Space Dem Energy BlueDog OH Washington DC (202) 225-6265
John Tanner Dem Ways BlueDog TN Washington DC (202) 225-4714
Gene Taylor Dem BlueDog MS Washington DC (202) 225-5772
Mike Thompson Dem Ways BlueDog CA Washington DC (202) 225-3311
Charlie Wilson Dem BlueDog OH Washington DC (202) 225-5705</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Please call the Blue Dog Democrats today and tell them you oppose the HR 3200 Health Care Reform Bill. Time is of the essence, call at least a few!</p>
<p>Jason Altmire Dem Labor BlueDog PA Washington DC (202) 225-2565<br />
Michael Arcuri Dem BlueDog NY Washington DC (202) 225-3665<br />
John Barrow Dem Energy BlueDog GA Washington DC (202) 225-2823<br />
Marion Berry Dem BlueDog AR Washington DC (202) 225-4076<br />
Sanford Bishop Dem BlueDog GA Washington DC (202) 225-3631<br />
&#8212;&#8211;<br />
Dan Boren Dem BlueDog OK Washington DC (202) 225-2701<br />
Allen Boyd Dem BlueDog FL Washington DC (202) 225-5235<br />
Kevin Brady GOP Ways TX Washington DC (202) 225-4901<br />
Bobby Bright Dem BlueDog AL Washington DC (202) 225-2901<br />
Dennis Cardoza Dem BlueDog CA Washington DC (202) 225-6131<br />
Christopher P. Carney Dem BlueDog PA Washington DC (202) 225-3731<br />
Ben Chandler Dem BlueDog KY Washington DC (202) 225-4706<br />
Travis Childers Dem BlueDog MS Washington DC (202) 225-4306<br />
Jim Cooper Dem BlueDog TN Washington DC (202) 226-1035<br />
Henry Cuellar Dem BlueDog TX Washington DC (202) 225-1640<br />
Lincoln Davis Dem BlueDog TN Washington DC (202) 225-6931<br />
Joe Donnelly Dem BlueDog IN Washington DC (202) 225-3915<br />
Brad Ellsworth Dem BlueDog IN Washington DC (202) 225-4636<br />
Gabrielle Giffords Dem BlueDog AZ Washington DC (202) 225-2542<br />
Bart Gordon Dem Energy BlueDog TN Washington DC (202) 225-4231<br />
Parker Griffith Dem BlueDog AL Washington DC (202) 225-4801<br />
Jane Harman Dem Energy BlueDog CA Washington DC (202) 225-8220<br />
Stephanie Herseth Sandlin Dem BlueDog SD Washington DC (202) 225-2801<br />
Baron Hill Dem Energy BlueDog IN Washington DC (202) 226-6866<br />
Tim Holden Dem BlueDog PA Washington DC (202) 225-5546<br />
Frank M. Kratovil, Jr. Dem BlueDog MD Washington DC (202) 225-5311<br />
Jim Marshall Dem BlueDog GA Washington DC (202) 225-6531<br />
Charlie Melancon Dem Energy BlueDog LA Washington DC (202) 225-4031<br />
Mike Michaud Dem BlueDog ME Washington DC (202) 225-6306<br />
Dennis Moore Dem BlueDog KS Washington DC (202) 225-2865<br />
Patrick J. Murphy Dem BlueDog PA Washington DC (202) 225-4276<br />
Glenn Nye Dem BlueDog VA Washington DC (202) 225-4215<br />
Collin Peterson Dem BlueDog MN Washington DC (202) 225-2165<br />
Mike Ross Dem Energy BlueDog AR Washington DC (202) 225-3772<br />
John Salazar Dem BlueDog CO Washington DC (202) 225-4761<br />
Loretta Sanchez Dem BlueDog CA Washington DC (202) 225-2965<br />
Adam Schiff Dem BlueDog CA Washington DC (202) 225-4176<br />
David Scott Dem BlueDog GA Washington DC (202) 225-2939<br />
Zack Space Dem Energy BlueDog OH Washington DC (202) 225-6265<br />
John Tanner Dem Ways BlueDog TN Washington DC (202) 225-4714<br />
Gene Taylor Dem BlueDog MS Washington DC (202) 225-5772<br />
Mike Thompson Dem Ways BlueDog CA Washington DC (202) 225-3311<br />
Charlie Wilson Dem BlueDog OH Washington DC (202) 225-5705</p>
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		<title>By: Genghis Kohn</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/blog/herding-us-into-obamacare/#comment-361383</link>
		<dc:creator>Genghis Kohn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Jul 2009 18:42:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One unmentioned consequence of  a nationalized health care system that is not being mentioned relates to the resulting demographics of physician-providers that you can expect. Already in evidence in Great Britain and Canada, is the steadily increasing proportion of foreign born, foreign trained third world doctors filling the ranks as home-grown practioners flee, and physicians-to-be decide that it is not worth it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One unmentioned consequence of  a nationalized health care system that is not being mentioned relates to the resulting demographics of physician-providers that you can expect. Already in evidence in Great Britain and Canada, is the steadily increasing proportion of foreign born, foreign trained third world doctors filling the ranks as home-grown practioners flee, and physicians-to-be decide that it is not worth it.</p>
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		<title>By: Chuck Pelto</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/blog/herding-us-into-obamacare/#comment-361381</link>
		<dc:creator>Chuck Pelto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Jul 2009 18:40:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>TO: All the Rubes Out There
RE: You Voted For This S---

Explain yourselves!

Regards,

Chuck(le)
[&#039;Hope&#039; you&#039;re happy with the &#039;Change&#039;.]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>TO: All the Rubes Out There<br />
RE: You Voted For This S&#8212;</p>
<p>Explain yourselves!</p>
<p>Regards,</p>
<p>Chuck(le)<br />
['Hope' you're happy with the 'Change'.]</p>
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		<title>By: Chuck Pelto</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/blog/herding-us-into-obamacare/#comment-361364</link>
		<dc:creator>Chuck Pelto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Jul 2009 18:20:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>P.P.S. This scenario was written about in the 1970s. Read &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.amazon.com/Forever-War-Joe-Haldeman/dp/0312536631/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&amp;s=books&amp;qid=1248805151&amp;sr=1-2&quot; title=&quot;The Forever War&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&lt;b&gt;The Forever War&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/a&gt;.

Pay particular attention to what is going on when the protagonists take &#039;leave&#039; after the first mission.....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>P.P.S. This scenario was written about in the 1970s. Read <a href="http://www.amazon.com/Forever-War-Joe-Haldeman/dp/0312536631/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&amp;s=books&amp;qid=1248805151&amp;sr=1-2" title="The Forever War" rel="nofollow"><b>The Forever War</b></a>.</p>
<p>Pay particular attention to what is going on when the protagonists take &#8216;leave&#8217; after the first mission&#8230;..</p>
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		<title>By: Chuck Pelto</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/blog/herding-us-into-obamacare/#comment-361362</link>
		<dc:creator>Chuck Pelto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Jul 2009 18:17:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>TO: All
RE: Just Heard Back....

....from my Congressman&#039;s local office.

The bottom line is that as the proposed healthcare program exists now....

....Congressmen and other federal employees get a superior form of healthcare than the rest of US get.

Regards,

Chuck(le)
[Health for me (congressman) and not for thee.]

P.S. Why am I reminded of &quot;Some animals are more equal than others&quot;?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>TO: All<br />
RE: Just Heard Back&#8230;.</p>
<p>&#8230;.from my Congressman&#8217;s local office.</p>
<p>The bottom line is that as the proposed healthcare program exists now&#8230;.</p>
<p>&#8230;.Congressmen and other federal employees get a superior form of healthcare than the rest of US get.</p>
<p>Regards,</p>
<p>Chuck(le)<br />
[Health for me (congressman) and not for thee.]</p>
<p>P.S. Why am I reminded of &#8220;Some animals are more equal than others&#8221;?</p>
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		<title>By: Fred Beloit</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/blog/herding-us-into-obamacare/#comment-361224</link>
		<dc:creator>Fred Beloit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Jul 2009 15:59:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mike W at #51
&quot;The only reason that health care reform will not be passed in this country is because the vast majority of Republican members of congress and a handful of Democrats are completely beholden to the insurance industry.&quot;

When the basis of an argument is wrong, the entire argument can be ignored. The reason why both Repubs and some Dems oppose the sick care insurance bill is that it turns over sick care insurance to the government, or worse to a panel of &quot;experts&quot; without supervision, and under no management themselves. (Perhaps car insurance will be next.) Sick care insurance for the elderly and penurious already exists (Medicare and Medicaid). Those who have it like it. Only one problem. It is financially unsustainable, as is Social Security. The government can&#039;t take over for personal responsibility in any field. This simply costs too much, not to mention the argument that this is unconstitutional legislative behavior. 

To keep government socialist programs financially viable takes: (1) A large majority of very heavily taxed citizens in a growing economy. But where there are heavily taxed citizens there is seldom a growing economy. (2) Ensuring only a few expensive government programs exist at the same time. The clamor from the voters of the Left ensures there must be more and more such programs (government-paid cars for transportation of low-paid workers?) that are never ended.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike W at #51<br />
&#8220;The only reason that health care reform will not be passed in this country is because the vast majority of Republican members of congress and a handful of Democrats are completely beholden to the insurance industry.&#8221;</p>
<p>When the basis of an argument is wrong, the entire argument can be ignored. The reason why both Repubs and some Dems oppose the sick care insurance bill is that it turns over sick care insurance to the government, or worse to a panel of &#8220;experts&#8221; without supervision, and under no management themselves. (Perhaps car insurance will be next.) Sick care insurance for the elderly and penurious already exists (Medicare and Medicaid). Those who have it like it. Only one problem. It is financially unsustainable, as is Social Security. The government can&#8217;t take over for personal responsibility in any field. This simply costs too much, not to mention the argument that this is unconstitutional legislative behavior. </p>
<p>To keep government socialist programs financially viable takes: (1) A large majority of very heavily taxed citizens in a growing economy. But where there are heavily taxed citizens there is seldom a growing economy. (2) Ensuring only a few expensive government programs exist at the same time. The clamor from the voters of the Left ensures there must be more and more such programs (government-paid cars for transportation of low-paid workers?) that are never ended.</p>
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