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		<title>By: Sebastian Shaw</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/blog/health-care-reform-end-game-emerges/#comment-436128</link>
		<dc:creator>Sebastian Shaw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2009 16:53:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>According to Rassmussen via Hot Hair, PelosiCare is no better than ObamaCare &amp; a vote for PelosiCare is political suicide:

http://hotair.com/archives/2009/11/02/rasmussen-pelosicare-no-improvement-over-obamacare/

Nancy&#039;s bill will not get through the House with these kind of polls coupled with the possible upsets in Virginia, New Jersey, &amp; New York-23.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>According to Rassmussen via Hot Hair, PelosiCare is no better than ObamaCare &amp; a vote for PelosiCare is political suicide:</p>
<p><a href="http://hotair.com/archives/2009/11/02/rasmussen-pelosicare-no-improvement-over-obamacare/" rel="nofollow">http://hotair.com/archives/2009/11/02/rasmussen-pelosicare-no-improvement-over-obamacare/</a></p>
<p>Nancy&#8217;s bill will not get through the House with these kind of polls coupled with the possible upsets in Virginia, New Jersey, &amp; New York-23.</p>
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		<title>By: Now and Then</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/blog/health-care-reform-end-game-emerges/#comment-436061</link>
		<dc:creator>Now and Then</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2009 15:00:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>61. Bilgeman:
&quot;Once this beast cracks open its’ (sic) egg and sees the light of day,we’ll never be able to undo it, (without shooting people down in the streets…literally).&quot;

Yeah, that&#039;s always my first thought, too . . . &quot;How soon do I get to start shooting people in the street?&quot;

Sociopath.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>61. Bilgeman:<br />
&#8220;Once this beast cracks open its’ (sic) egg and sees the light of day,we’ll never be able to undo it, (without shooting people down in the streets…literally).&#8221;</p>
<p>Yeah, that&#8217;s always my first thought, too . . . &#8220;How soon do I get to start shooting people in the street?&#8221;</p>
<p>Sociopath.</p>
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		<title>By: DoctorT</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/blog/health-care-reform-end-game-emerges/#comment-435779</link>
		<dc:creator>DoctorT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2009 00:31:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Health Care Reform Bill is nothing less than an attack on the Free Market System and a takeover of Healthcare. It will exclude private insurance, result in doctor shortages(I am among those that will likely retire), Hospital closures, delays in treatment, and cost containment efforts that will destroy any chance at improving healthcare or improving treatments for decades to come.

The cost to insure the 6-12 Million that are uninsurable or working poor would cost about 40Billion and could be accomplished from the moneys that have been set aside for the Stimulus bill and save the American economy, save the health care system (which although expensive really is the best system in the world), and could be done without further intrusion of the federal government into the care of its citizens. Government intrusion and controls which have been increasingly occuring since Medicare was passed really does interfere with overall patient care and raise the cost of healthcare.

As for those who can but choose not to buy health insurance the solution is simple. As an American citizen they have that right, but they also have a responsibility to pay their bills. If they stay healthy then so be it. if they need care and don&#039;t have insurance just require them to pay their bills.

I am a solo practitioner and will be providing coverage for my practice (at a high personal expense) while I go to Washington this week. I believe that if Healthcare Takeover passes it will be the end of a free market economy. Trying to reverse such effects is almost impossible. 

Although the socialists are very cleverly trying to delay and gradually phase in the effects of the degree of intrusion into American life that this Bill represents it does not minimize the catastrophic effects it will eventually will have.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Health Care Reform Bill is nothing less than an attack on the Free Market System and a takeover of Healthcare. It will exclude private insurance, result in doctor shortages(I am among those that will likely retire), Hospital closures, delays in treatment, and cost containment efforts that will destroy any chance at improving healthcare or improving treatments for decades to come.</p>
<p>The cost to insure the 6-12 Million that are uninsurable or working poor would cost about 40Billion and could be accomplished from the moneys that have been set aside for the Stimulus bill and save the American economy, save the health care system (which although expensive really is the best system in the world), and could be done without further intrusion of the federal government into the care of its citizens. Government intrusion and controls which have been increasingly occuring since Medicare was passed really does interfere with overall patient care and raise the cost of healthcare.</p>
<p>As for those who can but choose not to buy health insurance the solution is simple. As an American citizen they have that right, but they also have a responsibility to pay their bills. If they stay healthy then so be it. if they need care and don&#8217;t have insurance just require them to pay their bills.</p>
<p>I am a solo practitioner and will be providing coverage for my practice (at a high personal expense) while I go to Washington this week. I believe that if Healthcare Takeover passes it will be the end of a free market economy. Trying to reverse such effects is almost impossible. </p>
<p>Although the socialists are very cleverly trying to delay and gradually phase in the effects of the degree of intrusion into American life that this Bill represents it does not minimize the catastrophic effects it will eventually will have.</p>
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		<title>By: Commander in Chic</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/blog/health-care-reform-end-game-emerges/#comment-435422</link>
		<dc:creator>Commander in Chic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Nov 2009 13:49:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a direct comparison as to what these Democrat Communists want to accomplish:
Lets free all inmates of American prisons and let them control the law enforcement of the United States;
Then empty all the insane asylums and let them administer the mental health of all U. S. Citizens;
Turn over the U.S. economy to the Taliban for fiduciary responsibility;
Makes perfect sense to the Democrats!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a direct comparison as to what these Democrat Communists want to accomplish:<br />
Lets free all inmates of American prisons and let them control the law enforcement of the United States;<br />
Then empty all the insane asylums and let them administer the mental health of all U. S. Citizens;<br />
Turn over the U.S. economy to the Taliban for fiduciary responsibility;<br />
Makes perfect sense to the Democrats!</p>
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		<title>By: Mr. Independant</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/blog/health-care-reform-end-game-emerges/#comment-435121</link>
		<dc:creator>Mr. Independant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Nov 2009 01:58:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To everyone making silly comments:

Does anyone here have any concept of American history.  This is what happens.  Your continued support of the DEMs and REBs enabled what’s happening in the country today.  For those of you who supported former president Bush (which includes all the DEMs that cast protest votes for Gore and Kerry) this is what happens.  You supported a REB who believed in economic libertarianism (until the last 4 months of his administration) and the public elected a DEM who supports various elements of socialism.  That what happens.  When the fantasy/failure of libertarianism brings this country to the brink of ruin the voters tend to support socialism (i.e. Hover/FDR).  If you want things to change then stop supporting DEMs or REBs!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To everyone making silly comments:</p>
<p>Does anyone here have any concept of American history.  This is what happens.  Your continued support of the DEMs and REBs enabled what’s happening in the country today.  For those of you who supported former president Bush (which includes all the DEMs that cast protest votes for Gore and Kerry) this is what happens.  You supported a REB who believed in economic libertarianism (until the last 4 months of his administration) and the public elected a DEM who supports various elements of socialism.  That what happens.  When the fantasy/failure of libertarianism brings this country to the brink of ruin the voters tend to support socialism (i.e. Hover/FDR).  If you want things to change then stop supporting DEMs or REBs!</p>
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		<title>By: Bilgeman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bilgeman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Nov 2009 01:05:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#42 baal:
&quot;The dems have got to own this, because the damage its going to do will be titanic, hopefully allowing for a large enough landslide by a born again ideologically libertarian republican party, which can reverse this nonsense and begin drastic budget cutting across the board.&quot;

 Well see, that&#039;s the thing. Once this beast cracks open its&#039; egg and sees the light of day,we&#039;ll never be able to undo it, (without shooting people down in the streets...literally).

 Name me one government social entitlement program that isn&#039;t frighteningly tumor-like in it&#039;s propensity to grow and survive an metastasize?

 See what I mean?

 Pardon the analogy, but the socialism in this thing needs to be aborted, or else it&#039;ll be with us FOREVER.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#42 baal:<br />
&#8220;The dems have got to own this, because the damage its going to do will be titanic, hopefully allowing for a large enough landslide by a born again ideologically libertarian republican party, which can reverse this nonsense and begin drastic budget cutting across the board.&#8221;</p>
<p> Well see, that&#8217;s the thing. Once this beast cracks open its&#8217; egg and sees the light of day,we&#8217;ll never be able to undo it, (without shooting people down in the streets&#8230;literally).</p>
<p> Name me one government social entitlement program that isn&#8217;t frighteningly tumor-like in it&#8217;s propensity to grow and survive an metastasize?</p>
<p> See what I mean?</p>
<p> Pardon the analogy, but the socialism in this thing needs to be aborted, or else it&#8217;ll be with us FOREVER.</p>
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		<title>By: Sebastian Shaw</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sebastian Shaw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Nov 2009 01:03:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nancy&#039;s bill is Communism for America. Do we want to be slaves of the all powerful, inept, corrupt government? They work for us. We are no one&#039;s slaves. This bill must die!!! And any politician who votes for this bill, votes for Communism.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nancy&#8217;s bill is Communism for America. Do we want to be slaves of the all powerful, inept, corrupt government? They work for us. We are no one&#8217;s slaves. This bill must die!!! And any politician who votes for this bill, votes for Communism.</p>
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		<title>By: jodetoad</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/blog/health-care-reform-end-game-emerges/#comment-434960</link>
		<dc:creator>jodetoad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Oct 2009 20:47:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>12,000,000 uninsured poor x $8,000 for a policy = $96,000,000,000. 

Some would be families, which would bring it down.  Some would have pre-existing conditions, which would bring it up, or need other consideration.

But that&#039;s 1/10 of the cost of the bill.  I don&#039;t claim it&#039;s the right answer, but if we did that, and bought ourselves more time to find a decent answer, it would be cheaper than this stupid approach.  I frankly just wish they&#039;d leave us alone.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>12,000,000 uninsured poor x $8,000 for a policy = $96,000,000,000. </p>
<p>Some would be families, which would bring it down.  Some would have pre-existing conditions, which would bring it up, or need other consideration.</p>
<p>But that&#8217;s 1/10 of the cost of the bill.  I don&#8217;t claim it&#8217;s the right answer, but if we did that, and bought ourselves more time to find a decent answer, it would be cheaper than this stupid approach.  I frankly just wish they&#8217;d leave us alone.</p>
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		<title>By: RP</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/blog/health-care-reform-end-game-emerges/#comment-434553</link>
		<dc:creator>RP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Oct 2009 05:02:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Saturday, October 31, 2009
Re: PelosiCare, the House version. It&#039;s public. 1,990 socialist pages. And, frankly, filled with neo-Com crap.

1. Hugely higher taxes on health care related stuff. From anesthesia, to stents, to hip replacement surgery. And all the taxes are front loaded to make PelosiCare seem cheaper.  

2. Rationing. It&#039;s there in black and white. 

3. Death Panels. Ditto. 

4. 500 billion in Medicare cuts. Bleeding seniors dry. 

5. Government funded abortions, all 1.4 million of them this year. 

6. And, of course, the public option. Designed to act like a drain sucking in everyone by the year 2015. 

7. It&#039;ll be a twenty trillion boondoggle over the next fifteen years (if passed). 

8. All told, 1,990 stinking pages of dead fish. This is where we cross the Rubicon. So call your congressman. Give your congresswoman a piece of your  mind. Visit Washington next Thursday. Show up at noon on the capital steps. Join Michele Bachmann R,MN. She&#039;ll be your guide. And let your voices be heard. 

9. By 2013, you&#039;ll be prohibited from having the private insurance you currently have, demonstrating again that Obama lied through his teeth.

10. With passage of this monstrosity, by 2013, the federal government will control 48% of the U.S. economy. This is a watershed moment for America.
    Stand up and be counted. Socialized Medicine can still be defeated. America can still be saved. 

At the end of the day, the worst President in United States history will receive the justice he richly deserves.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Saturday, October 31, 2009<br />
Re: PelosiCare, the House version. It&#8217;s public. 1,990 socialist pages. And, frankly, filled with neo-Com crap.</p>
<p>1. Hugely higher taxes on health care related stuff. From anesthesia, to stents, to hip replacement surgery. And all the taxes are front loaded to make PelosiCare seem cheaper.  </p>
<p>2. Rationing. It&#8217;s there in black and white. </p>
<p>3. Death Panels. Ditto. </p>
<p>4. 500 billion in Medicare cuts. Bleeding seniors dry. </p>
<p>5. Government funded abortions, all 1.4 million of them this year. </p>
<p>6. And, of course, the public option. Designed to act like a drain sucking in everyone by the year 2015. </p>
<p>7. It&#8217;ll be a twenty trillion boondoggle over the next fifteen years (if passed). </p>
<p>8. All told, 1,990 stinking pages of dead fish. This is where we cross the Rubicon. So call your congressman. Give your congresswoman a piece of your  mind. Visit Washington next Thursday. Show up at noon on the capital steps. Join Michele Bachmann R,MN. She&#8217;ll be your guide. And let your voices be heard. </p>
<p>9. By 2013, you&#8217;ll be prohibited from having the private insurance you currently have, demonstrating again that Obama lied through his teeth.</p>
<p>10. With passage of this monstrosity, by 2013, the federal government will control 48% of the U.S. economy. This is a watershed moment for America.<br />
    Stand up and be counted. Socialized Medicine can still be defeated. America can still be saved. </p>
<p>At the end of the day, the worst President in United States history will receive the justice he richly deserves.</p>
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		<title>By: paul_unalaska</title>
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		<dc:creator>paul_unalaska</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Oct 2009 03:53:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>baal, your idea holds some validity.  

Though the wording should be adamant in stating its &#039;non-binding&#039; condition.

Yeah, I think it has some teeth to it..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>baal, your idea holds some validity.  </p>
<p>Though the wording should be adamant in stating its &#8216;non-binding&#8217; condition.</p>
<p>Yeah, I think it has some teeth to it..</p>
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