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		<title>By: Lkb</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/blog/health-care-plan-what-health-care-plan/#comment-372771</link>
		<dc:creator>Lkb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Aug 2009 00:56:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am with jharp in this one, at least something is proposed.  I don&#039;t support the healthcare plan as it doesn&#039;t do anything to simplify things.  Malpractice insurance is an issue.  The insurance companies practicing medicine without a license should be an issue as well.  When you are in profit and death is a preferred result to paying claims where do you draw an ethical line.  For profit companies can&#039;t be given that task.

I say go for the single payer system and include malpractice as part of the plan.  Let doctors take care of their patients.  Make wellness the preferred goal.  Too much is spent on stage IV cases of cancer where at early onset is simple and cheap with high level of survivability.  

The simpler the solution the better the result.  Government should be able to do this for its population.  Health care, not profit retention.  Think about it.  Medical records all in one place.  Hospitals only worry about taking care of people and providing records back to the payer.  It has to be an economy of scale that will work.  Right now everyone is trying to be everything and they are all failing and the people driving the boat are concerned more with $$$ than saving lives.  I don&#039;t blame them, it is how a business is supposed to run.  I just don&#039;t think our health care is best provided by private for profit insurance companies.

Obama&#039;s swap over to health insurance &quot;reform&quot; will boil away to nothing.  Follow the money.  Keep it simple.  What are we trying to achieve here?  Healthy Americans.  Keep that the goal and keep shooting for the target.  I do believe that Obama is a driving force that can get us where we really want to go.  I just don&#039;t trust that there are enough intelligent people here to actually keep our eyes on the goal and not make a grab for the gobs of money between now and then.

Prove me wrong America.  I am insured, can afford insurance and know what I really get when I spend the $$$ on something that has so many loopholes and outs that it insures nothing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am with jharp in this one, at least something is proposed.  I don&#8217;t support the healthcare plan as it doesn&#8217;t do anything to simplify things.  Malpractice insurance is an issue.  The insurance companies practicing medicine without a license should be an issue as well.  When you are in profit and death is a preferred result to paying claims where do you draw an ethical line.  For profit companies can&#8217;t be given that task.</p>
<p>I say go for the single payer system and include malpractice as part of the plan.  Let doctors take care of their patients.  Make wellness the preferred goal.  Too much is spent on stage IV cases of cancer where at early onset is simple and cheap with high level of survivability.  </p>
<p>The simpler the solution the better the result.  Government should be able to do this for its population.  Health care, not profit retention.  Think about it.  Medical records all in one place.  Hospitals only worry about taking care of people and providing records back to the payer.  It has to be an economy of scale that will work.  Right now everyone is trying to be everything and they are all failing and the people driving the boat are concerned more with $$$ than saving lives.  I don&#8217;t blame them, it is how a business is supposed to run.  I just don&#8217;t think our health care is best provided by private for profit insurance companies.</p>
<p>Obama&#8217;s swap over to health insurance &#8220;reform&#8221; will boil away to nothing.  Follow the money.  Keep it simple.  What are we trying to achieve here?  Healthy Americans.  Keep that the goal and keep shooting for the target.  I do believe that Obama is a driving force that can get us where we really want to go.  I just don&#8217;t trust that there are enough intelligent people here to actually keep our eyes on the goal and not make a grab for the gobs of money between now and then.</p>
<p>Prove me wrong America.  I am insured, can afford insurance and know what I really get when I spend the $$$ on something that has so many loopholes and outs that it insures nothing.</p>
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		<title>By: Jason S</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/blog/health-care-plan-what-health-care-plan/#comment-345407</link>
		<dc:creator>Jason S</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 22:24:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>jharp:

Any comments in light of the new CBO conclusions released today?  Didn&#039;t think so.  Hint: The square peg doesn&#039;t fit into the round hole.</description>
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<p>Any comments in light of the new CBO conclusions released today?  Didn&#8217;t think so.  Hint: The square peg doesn&#8217;t fit into the round hole.</p>
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		<title>By: jharp</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/blog/health-care-plan-what-health-care-plan/#comment-344837</link>
		<dc:creator>jharp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 14:52:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Paul -Indiana:

&quot;Are you still glad that you voted for Obama?&quot;

Could not be gladder. Even if the health care reform isn&#039;t exactly as I&#039;d like it to be.

Remind me again what Bush and the republicans did to fix our health care system.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Paul -Indiana:</p>
<p>&#8220;Are you still glad that you voted for Obama?&#8221;</p>
<p>Could not be gladder. Even if the health care reform isn&#8217;t exactly as I&#8217;d like it to be.</p>
<p>Remind me again what Bush and the republicans did to fix our health care system.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul -Indiana</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/blog/health-care-plan-what-health-care-plan/#comment-344697</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul -Indiana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 13:12:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Are you still glad that you voted for Obama?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Are you still glad that you voted for Obama?</p>
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		<title>By: jharp</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/blog/health-care-plan-what-health-care-plan/#comment-344213</link>
		<dc:creator>jharp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 03:48:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tri Geek:

&quot;Jharp: Here is a question for you- Why do you assume conservatives can not think for themselves?&quot;

Because they do nothing but spew the same lies as Limbaugh, Hannity, Fox, Boortz, Beck, Savage, Ingraham, Liddy, OReilly, Doocy, Kilmead, Hume, Kristol, Will, Buchanon, Bozell, Goldberg, Goldfarb, Hewitt, Malkin, Coulter, Scarborough, Tapper, Kudlow, Derbyshire, McCarthy, Sowell, Lowry, etc.

I&#039;m perfectly willing to listen to new conservative ideas. It&#039;s only there aren&#039;t any.

And health care reform is a textbook example. Nothing from conservatives. 

Absolutely nothing for 14 years. Other than shooting down Clinton&#039;s plan to actually help the middle class with health care.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tri Geek:</p>
<p>&#8220;Jharp: Here is a question for you- Why do you assume conservatives can not think for themselves?&#8221;</p>
<p>Because they do nothing but spew the same lies as Limbaugh, Hannity, Fox, Boortz, Beck, Savage, Ingraham, Liddy, OReilly, Doocy, Kilmead, Hume, Kristol, Will, Buchanon, Bozell, Goldberg, Goldfarb, Hewitt, Malkin, Coulter, Scarborough, Tapper, Kudlow, Derbyshire, McCarthy, Sowell, Lowry, etc.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m perfectly willing to listen to new conservative ideas. It&#8217;s only there aren&#8217;t any.</p>
<p>And health care reform is a textbook example. Nothing from conservatives. </p>
<p>Absolutely nothing for 14 years. Other than shooting down Clinton&#8217;s plan to actually help the middle class with health care.</p>
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		<title>By: Jason S</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/blog/health-care-plan-what-health-care-plan/#comment-344203</link>
		<dc:creator>Jason S</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 03:41:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>jharp:

Did your accounting curricula not require any econ?  My finance degree did and this healthcare bill will become more and more expensive until one day we have to pull the rug out from under 300 million Americans (see California&#039;s brutal spending cuts that are about to take place).  That won&#039;t be good for your party, I promise. Does it concern you that Canadians are now trying to privatize their healthcare system because of the boondoggle it has become?  The Swedes are also enjoying the decreased tax burden of privatising health care.  This is a global economy now which is why Obama&#039;s protectionism will fail us as well.  And as I pointed out earlier, these countries also have an advantage due to the large amount of military support we give them for free just by our existence.  I promise you many Europeans are praying that we don&#039;t dive into socialized healthcare.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>jharp:</p>
<p>Did your accounting curricula not require any econ?  My finance degree did and this healthcare bill will become more and more expensive until one day we have to pull the rug out from under 300 million Americans (see California&#8217;s brutal spending cuts that are about to take place).  That won&#8217;t be good for your party, I promise. Does it concern you that Canadians are now trying to privatize their healthcare system because of the boondoggle it has become?  The Swedes are also enjoying the decreased tax burden of privatising health care.  This is a global economy now which is why Obama&#8217;s protectionism will fail us as well.  And as I pointed out earlier, these countries also have an advantage due to the large amount of military support we give them for free just by our existence.  I promise you many Europeans are praying that we don&#8217;t dive into socialized healthcare.</p>
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		<title>By: Tri Geek</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/blog/health-care-plan-what-health-care-plan/#comment-344197</link>
		<dc:creator>Tri Geek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 03:36:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jharp: Sorry I couldn&#039;t wait around for your response, I am off for a long swim and bike ride.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jharp: Sorry I couldn&#8217;t wait around for your response, I am off for a long swim and bike ride.</p>
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		<title>By: Tri Geek</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/blog/health-care-plan-what-health-care-plan/#comment-344169</link>
		<dc:creator>Tri Geek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 03:05:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jharp:  Here is a question for you- Why do you assume conservatives can not think for themselves?  That whole &quot;turn off Hannity, Rush, Fox&quot; crap?  By saying that, you are admitting that their are only a few consevative voices out there. How about liberals turning off NPR, PBS, All major networks, Hollywood, all major universities, the teachers unions, and on and on.  Yet somehow you think we are the brain dead followers.  How easy is it to be liberal in this country, when everything we hear all day long is liberal leaning.  Conservatives have to think for themselves. Yet Liberals always like to portray us as the dupes. It reminds me of the time I was in the Harajiku district in Tokyo (were all the young kids hang out), and I commented that everyone was wearing black and white clothing, and it was explained to me that that was the &quot;individual look&quot;.  Funny how everybody was trying to look individual while dressing alike.  This is pure Liberal thinking. They laughed at me because was dressed differently, but in fact I was the only one who was an individual.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jharp:  Here is a question for you- Why do you assume conservatives can not think for themselves?  That whole &#8220;turn off Hannity, Rush, Fox&#8221; crap?  By saying that, you are admitting that their are only a few consevative voices out there. How about liberals turning off NPR, PBS, All major networks, Hollywood, all major universities, the teachers unions, and on and on.  Yet somehow you think we are the brain dead followers.  How easy is it to be liberal in this country, when everything we hear all day long is liberal leaning.  Conservatives have to think for themselves. Yet Liberals always like to portray us as the dupes. It reminds me of the time I was in the Harajiku district in Tokyo (were all the young kids hang out), and I commented that everyone was wearing black and white clothing, and it was explained to me that that was the &#8220;individual look&#8221;.  Funny how everybody was trying to look individual while dressing alike.  This is pure Liberal thinking. They laughed at me because was dressed differently, but in fact I was the only one who was an individual.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/blog/health-care-plan-what-health-care-plan/#comment-344166</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 03:04:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gotta buddy like jharp. Thinks he knows it all. He puffs out and throws out insults left and right - especially when he has nothing to say.  We laugh at his inane BS and ignore him when he tries to filibuster.  You cannot have a serious debate with him without him making an ass of himself. We get him going for fun sometimes. Despite it all, we love the knucklehead. God knows why.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gotta buddy like jharp. Thinks he knows it all. He puffs out and throws out insults left and right &#8211; especially when he has nothing to say.  We laugh at his inane BS and ignore him when he tries to filibuster.  You cannot have a serious debate with him without him making an ass of himself. We get him going for fun sometimes. Despite it all, we love the knucklehead. God knows why.</p>
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		<title>By: jharp</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/blog/health-care-plan-what-health-care-plan/#comment-344084</link>
		<dc:creator>jharp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 01:50:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I forgot to address this.

&quot;By the way, check your history, civil rights were pushed through by conservatives.&quot;

Flat out false. It was liberalism. Though I&#039;ll openly admit it was republican liberals who had much to do with it.

&quot;It was the Dems who attempted to filibuster.&quot;

Yes, true. The southern conservative dixiecrats. Todays conservative republican base.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I forgot to address this.</p>
<p>&#8220;By the way, check your history, civil rights were pushed through by conservatives.&#8221;</p>
<p>Flat out false. It was liberalism. Though I&#8217;ll openly admit it was republican liberals who had much to do with it.</p>
<p>&#8220;It was the Dems who attempted to filibuster.&#8221;</p>
<p>Yes, true. The southern conservative dixiecrats. Todays conservative republican base.</p>
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