Comments on: Health Care Confab Plots Single-Payer Strategy http://pjmedia.com/blog/health-care-confab-plots-single-payer-strategy/ Thu, 16 Feb 2012 03:26:33 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Arius http://pjmedia.com/blog/health-care-confab-plots-single-payer-strategy/#comment-503105 Arius Fri, 19 Mar 2010 20:59:26 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/?p=72273#comment-503105 Progressives are fifty years too late. The Europeans nationalized health care after WW2 but are now running out of other peoples money. Now that we are nearly bankrupt in the US progressives want to socialize health care? None of this will matter in the long run. The combination of higher taxes from the tax cuts expiring in 2011 with the higher taxes from Obamacare will push the US economy over the edge into depression like what happened in the 1930's for the same reasons. This will drive titanic social and political upheaval and change. Progressives are fifty years too late. The Europeans nationalized health care after WW2 but are now running out of other peoples money. Now that we are nearly bankrupt in the US progressives want to socialize health care? None of this will matter in the long run. The combination of higher taxes from the tax cuts expiring in 2011 with the higher taxes from Obamacare will push the US economy over the edge into depression like what happened in the 1930′s for the same reasons. This will drive titanic social and political upheaval and change.

]]> By: myth buster http://pjmedia.com/blog/health-care-confab-plots-single-payer-strategy/#comment-447926 myth buster Fri, 20 Nov 2009 04:51:46 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/?p=72273#comment-447926 15. It's 900 billion. Of course, this is a revenue figure, not a profit figure, and in all probability, they would in fact be driven out of business. 15. It’s 900 billion. Of course, this is a revenue figure, not a profit figure, and in all probability, they would in fact be driven out of business.

]]> By: TL http://pjmedia.com/blog/health-care-confab-plots-single-payer-strategy/#comment-446710 TL Wed, 18 Nov 2009 16:59:59 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/?p=72273#comment-446710 Eric (7): Well said! Eric (7): Well said!

]]> By: John "birther" Samford http://pjmedia.com/blog/health-care-confab-plots-single-payer-strategy/#comment-446606 John "birther" Samford Wed, 18 Nov 2009 14:01:47 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/?p=72273#comment-446606 This is a smoke screen. What the Soviets called "Misinformation". The ONLY group to benefit from health care legislation will be the insurance companies. The Federal government is going to try and FORCE American citizens to open their wallets to the Insurance industry. What does 3,000 time 300 million come too? Is that 90 Trillion or 900 trillion? So many zeros I lost count. Please explain how pumping 900 trillion dollars into the Insurance industry will harm them. Or even 90 trillion. EVERY YEAR. No, if you really want to hurt the Insurance Companies, just reverse the laws that require auto insurance. That will have to be done on a state by state basis. Fortunately, the 10th amendment will prevent any national health care plan. It is just a matter of lawyering up and getting started. That can't happen until after congress passes a health care bill. Those serious about the issue are already making plans. As far as the left being anti-capitalist, so what? They are to stupid to do permanent harm. If you really want to put a stick in the spokes of capitalism, pass a law raising the tax rate on selling stock with 3 years of buying it to about 500 percent of the sales price. That way the 'quick profit' would become a quick loss. Economic judo. Use the capitalist's greed against them, while retaining the capital raising functions of the stock market. This is a smoke screen. What the Soviets called “Misinformation”.
The ONLY group to benefit from health care legislation will be the insurance companies. The Federal government is going to try and FORCE American citizens to open their wallets to the Insurance industry.
What does 3,000 time 300 million come too? Is that 90 Trillion or 900 trillion? So many zeros I lost count.
Please explain how pumping 900 trillion dollars into the Insurance industry will harm them. Or even 90 trillion. EVERY YEAR.

No, if you really want to hurt the Insurance Companies, just reverse the laws that require auto insurance. That will have to be done on a state by state basis. Fortunately, the 10th amendment will prevent any national health care plan. It is just a matter of lawyering up and getting started. That can’t happen until after congress passes a health care bill.
Those serious about the issue are already making plans.
As far as the left being anti-capitalist, so what? They are to stupid to do permanent harm. If you really want to put a stick in the spokes of capitalism, pass a law raising the tax rate on selling stock with 3 years of buying it to about 500 percent of the sales price.
That way the ‘quick profit’ would become a quick loss. Economic judo. Use the capitalist’s greed against them, while retaining the capital raising functions of the stock market.

]]> By: caestal http://pjmedia.com/blog/health-care-confab-plots-single-payer-strategy/#comment-446472 caestal Wed, 18 Nov 2009 09:03:56 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/?p=72273#comment-446472 12. Carl Gordon, I am sure you thought you were being clever, there, but you might want to write your stuff before you light up next time... your whole post could have been summed up as "you guys are all doodieheads." As far as the article, I don't see that it is really surprising that the folks in the far left espouse to believe that all corporations are evil and everything is the fault of either the Republicans or corporate entities. There are many faults with corporations, granted, but to believe they are inherently evil is either ingenuous or shows a willingness to believe anything that lets the believer say "it's not my fault." 12. Carl Gordon, I am sure you thought you were being clever, there, but you might want to write your stuff before you light up next time… your whole post could have been summed up as “you guys are all doodieheads.”
As far as the article, I don’t see that it is really surprising that the folks in the far left espouse to believe that all corporations are evil and everything is the fault of either the Republicans or corporate entities. There are many faults with corporations, granted, but to believe they are inherently evil is either ingenuous or shows a willingness to believe anything that lets the believer say “it’s not my fault.”

]]> By: DavidN http://pjmedia.com/blog/health-care-confab-plots-single-payer-strategy/#comment-446425 DavidN Wed, 18 Nov 2009 06:39:04 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/?p=72273#comment-446425 This is one of those arguments that's amazing and amusing at the same time. I have never believed that President Obama, John Kerry, Jay Rockefeller, Harry Reid, Nancy Pelosi, and their ilk, will pass a single payer system that applies to everyone in the country. The idea of one of those people, whatever Kennedy descendant has deigned to donate his wisdom and leadership to the rest of us unshaven masses, or some idiot like Al Gore, sitting in a Doctor's office waiting room for half a day, with a woman with five or six rugrats climbing all over her sitting in the next chair...anyone really think that's going to happen? The trick here is that once the Democrats make sure they themselves are exempted from the Health Care plan they pass for everyone else, then various donors and bigwigs will complain unless they're exempted too. It's going to be interesting to see what the public employees' unions get for themselves...my guess is that the leadership will get good coverage, and the rank and file will be stuck with the rest of us. Once the Health Care system's nationalized with the exception of our valuable leadership, we will have an enormous Federal bureaucracy, all unionized, and everyone contributing money to the Democratic Party by the wheelbarrow. The Obama-McCain presidential contest in 2008 will be remembered as the last time the Republicans had a realistic chance, albeit a small one, of gaining the presidency. The Republican Party will be a thing of the past, the Health Care system will suck, and of course the annual refrain will be that it's "underfunded", with the solution of course being new and higher taxes. That's the goal of this whole thing, not a Single Payer system. Obama's rhetoric on the subject is merely a headfake, designed to convince those ideologues in St. Louis that his heart is in the right place. There never was a chance that he would subject his own daughters to the same health care system the rest of us are going to be in. This is one of those arguments that’s amazing and amusing at the same time. I have never believed that President Obama, John Kerry, Jay Rockefeller, Harry Reid, Nancy Pelosi, and their ilk, will pass a single payer system that applies to everyone in the country. The idea of one of those people, whatever Kennedy descendant has deigned to donate his wisdom and leadership to the rest of us unshaven masses, or some idiot like Al Gore, sitting in a Doctor’s office waiting room for half a day, with a woman with five or six rugrats climbing all over her sitting in the next chair…anyone really think that’s going to happen?

The trick here is that once the Democrats make sure they themselves are exempted from the Health Care plan they pass for everyone else, then various donors and bigwigs will complain unless they’re exempted too. It’s going to be interesting to see what the public employees’ unions get for themselves…my guess is that the leadership will get good coverage, and the rank and file will be stuck with the rest of us.

Once the Health Care system’s nationalized with the exception of our valuable leadership, we will have an enormous Federal bureaucracy, all unionized, and everyone contributing money to the Democratic Party by the wheelbarrow. The Obama-McCain presidential contest in 2008 will be remembered as the last time the Republicans had a realistic chance, albeit a small one, of gaining the presidency. The Republican Party will be a thing of the past, the Health Care system will suck, and of course the annual refrain will be that it’s “underfunded”, with the solution of course being new and higher taxes. That’s the goal of this whole thing, not a Single Payer system. Obama’s rhetoric on the subject is merely a headfake, designed to convince those ideologues in St. Louis that his heart is in the right place. There never was a chance that he would subject his own daughters to the same health care system the rest of us are going to be in.

]]> By: Carl Gordon http://pjmedia.com/blog/health-care-confab-plots-single-payer-strategy/#comment-446221 Carl Gordon Tue, 17 Nov 2009 23:10:06 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/?p=72273#comment-446221 Look GOPeers, give us inspiration, give us guidance, hell, give me a fiver so I can order another drink. Accomplish something. Give us a tale that gives us grist for our perverse sense of existence. There…out there on the edges…on the rippled edge of a wave…at the tourniquet popped vein...where our aural limits nudge our sensate being…where the rim of the sky meets the ragged edge of the Sierra…where your limits of physical survival are measured by increments of canteen and pack. The tale is in the telling and in the telling is the tale. Long after the tab is paid, the tale is told. Much of what you’ve said is long past, perhaps often longed for, or something the Imagineers at Disney threw out as implausible and bereft of logic. The GOP “base” is a bit stupid, frequenters of primitive landscapes and ideas. They often find themselves lost in a wilderness off horses*** and belial. Yet, fate or stupidity, gives them ‘sucre’, safety, and ‘a way out.’ They manage each day in spite of the impediments to an awkward truth. There’s something to be learned there. Our journey now is to make an effort to avoid the toxic contamination of “conservative” function and family. A cold Monday with ground fog scrapes the tulle landscape of marginal miasma and no direction. There the leaders of the GOP find a bog of misery. A fundamental Occam’s Razor that begs, hell, demands a terse and complete thesis in the face of a more erudite Aristotelian argument, keep it simple - keep it real. The truest perhaps truest idea is that which is most simply stated. Yet the goobers that are running the party understand none of this. And they fail to pay for the taxi that delivers them to this. Tell you what. If you’re going to hoist Sarah on her own petard and run her in as your candidate in 2012, why don’t you play “Pinhead” by The Ramones as she accepts the nomination, even have the crowd join in, singing “Gabba, gabba, we accept you, we accept you, you’re one of us!” Look GOPeers, give us inspiration, give us guidance, hell, give me a fiver so I can order another drink. Accomplish something. Give us a tale that gives us grist for our perverse sense of existence. There…out there on the edges…on the rippled edge of a wave…at the tourniquet popped vein…where our aural limits nudge our sensate being…where the rim of the sky meets the ragged edge of the Sierra…where your limits of physical survival are measured by increments of canteen and pack.

The tale is in the telling and in the telling is the tale. Long after the tab is paid, the tale is told. Much of what you’ve said is long past, perhaps often longed for, or something the Imagineers at Disney threw out as implausible and bereft of logic.

The GOP “base” is a bit stupid, frequenters of primitive landscapes and ideas. They often find themselves lost in a wilderness off horses*** and belial. Yet, fate or stupidity, gives them ‘sucre’, safety, and ‘a way out.’ They manage each day in spite of the impediments to an awkward truth. There’s something to be learned there.

Our journey now is to make an effort to avoid the toxic contamination of “conservative” function and family. A cold Monday with ground fog scrapes the tulle landscape of marginal miasma and no direction. There the leaders of the GOP find a bog of misery. A fundamental Occam’s Razor that begs, hell, demands a terse and complete thesis in the face of a more erudite Aristotelian argument, keep it simple – keep it real. The truest perhaps truest idea is that which is most simply stated. Yet the goobers that are running the party understand none of this. And they fail to pay for the taxi that delivers them to this.

Tell you what. If you’re going to hoist Sarah on her own petard and run her in as your candidate in 2012, why don’t you play “Pinhead” by The Ramones as she accepts the nomination, even have the crowd join in, singing “Gabba, gabba, we accept you, we accept you, you’re one of us!”

]]> By: whyyeseyec http://pjmedia.com/blog/health-care-confab-plots-single-payer-strategy/#comment-446178 whyyeseyec Tue, 17 Nov 2009 22:08:15 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/?p=72273#comment-446178 The `rights` we have are what are enumerated in the Constitution and the 27 Amendment there of. If we want health care t be a right then we should propose a new amendment to our constitution and do it legally. Otherwise, there is nothing constitutional about HR3962. The will be no end to the `rights` proposed by the Marxists Leftists The `rights` we have are what are enumerated in the Constitution and the 27 Amendment there of. If we want health care t be a right then we should propose a new amendment to our constitution and do it legally. Otherwise, there is nothing constitutional about HR3962.

The will be no end to the `rights` proposed by the Marxists Leftists

]]> By: Finally Free http://pjmedia.com/blog/health-care-confab-plots-single-payer-strategy/#comment-446106 Finally Free Tue, 17 Nov 2009 20:19:38 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/?p=72273#comment-446106 I am running a series analyzing various socialized medicine systems on my blog. The first three installments cover: Germany http://spinstrangenesscharm.wordpress.com/2009/11/12/socialized-medicine-part-1-germany/ Israel http://spinstrangenesscharm.wordpress.com/2009/11/13/socialized-medicine-part-2-israel/ Belgium http://spinstrangenesscharm.wordpress.com/2009/11/16/socialized-medicine-part-3-belgium/ Of these systems, Israel's comes the closest to working (mostly thanks to a sound population pyramid), and even they are having sustainability issues. How much moreso for the others. I am running a series analyzing various socialized medicine systems on my blog. The first three installments cover:

Germany
http://spinstrangenesscharm.wordpress.com/2009/11/12/socialized-medicine-part-1-germany/

Israel
http://spinstrangenesscharm.wordpress.com/2009/11/13/socialized-medicine-part-2-israel/

Belgium
http://spinstrangenesscharm.wordpress.com/2009/11/16/socialized-medicine-part-3-belgium/

Of these systems, Israel’s comes the closest to working (mostly thanks to a sound population pyramid), and even they are having sustainability issues. How much moreso for the others.

]]> By: ic http://pjmedia.com/blog/health-care-confab-plots-single-payer-strategy/#comment-446100 ic Tue, 17 Nov 2009 20:10:57 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/?p=72273#comment-446100 Far-left groups met in St. Louis last weekend to plan strategy for taking down capitalism and those "greedy insurance companies, greedy pharmaceutical companies, greedy doctors, greedy patients", and supported the power grab of greedy politicians. Far-left groups met in St. Louis last weekend to plan strategy for taking down capitalism and those “greedy insurance companies, greedy pharmaceutical companies, greedy doctors, greedy patients”, and supported the power grab of greedy politicians.

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