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		<title>By: David W. Lincoln</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/blog/hannan-vs-cameron-a-battle-for-conservative-leadership/#comment-379592</link>
		<dc:creator>David W. Lincoln</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Aug 2009 09:56:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Peter Montbriand, then shine the light on the intellectual poverty of those who refer to Visionary Conservatives as far right.

There are objective truths communicated via ethics, and those listed above say that isn&#039;t the case, for they are simply sentimentalities.  Start there, and then inspect them into smithereens, because that is what they deserve.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Peter Montbriand, then shine the light on the intellectual poverty of those who refer to Visionary Conservatives as far right.</p>
<p>There are objective truths communicated via ethics, and those listed above say that isn&#8217;t the case, for they are simply sentimentalities.  Start there, and then inspect them into smithereens, because that is what they deserve.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter Montbriand</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter Montbriand</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Aug 2009 07:21:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One of Europe&#039;s biggest problems is that &quot;Reaganite&quot; conservatives, or as the author calls them &quot;visionary&quot; conservatives are labeled &quot;far-right&quot; in the press and by their enemies.  I have an aquaintance in the Belgian Parliament, he&#039;s a Reaganite, loves PJ O&#039;Rourke, yet is stuck in the VB, because there&#039;s a dearth of true conservative parties in Belgium.  In Britain, how can a Reaganite remain a torry, and not go to the IP?  It&#039;s a sorry state across the pond.  Free market parties aren&#039;t free market, conservative parties aren&#039;t conservative.  If I could scream like Howard Dean I would.....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One of Europe&#8217;s biggest problems is that &#8220;Reaganite&#8221; conservatives, or as the author calls them &#8220;visionary&#8221; conservatives are labeled &#8220;far-right&#8221; in the press and by their enemies.  I have an aquaintance in the Belgian Parliament, he&#8217;s a Reaganite, loves PJ O&#8217;Rourke, yet is stuck in the VB, because there&#8217;s a dearth of true conservative parties in Belgium.  In Britain, how can a Reaganite remain a torry, and not go to the IP?  It&#8217;s a sorry state across the pond.  Free market parties aren&#8217;t free market, conservative parties aren&#8217;t conservative.  If I could scream like Howard Dean I would&#8230;..</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Ian Dodge</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/blog/hannan-vs-cameron-a-battle-for-conservative-leadership/#comment-379362</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew Ian Dodge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Aug 2009 00:37:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Of course, the American people are best placed to decide how (or whether) to improve their present healthcare arrangements. But I hope that in doing so they will not be swayed by ideolgically motivated misrepresentations of what happens in other countries.&lt;/i&gt;

Well put sir and how very profound.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Of course, the American people are best placed to decide how (or whether) to improve their present healthcare arrangements. But I hope that in doing so they will not be swayed by ideolgically motivated misrepresentations of what happens in other countries.</i></p>
<p>Well put sir and how very profound.</p>
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		<title>By: Whitehall</title>
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		<dc:creator>Whitehall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Aug 2009 20:47:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The US Department of Education has an analog in the California Energy Commission.  The DoE doesn&#039;t educate and the CEC doesn&#039;t make energy.

I&#039;m not saying that there is not scope for government activity but it must be only those things that can only be done by government and that increase the productivity of the non-government actors.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The US Department of Education has an analog in the California Energy Commission.  The DoE doesn&#8217;t educate and the CEC doesn&#8217;t make energy.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not saying that there is not scope for government activity but it must be only those things that can only be done by government and that increase the productivity of the non-government actors.</p>
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		<title>By: Dred Scott</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dred Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Aug 2009 17:13:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Guess that terrorist declined to continue his cancer treatment in Scotland the Brave.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Guess that terrorist declined to continue his cancer treatment in Scotland the Brave.</p>
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		<title>By: David W. Lincoln</title>
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		<dc:creator>David W. Lincoln</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Aug 2009 17:06:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Plus, there is this by Mark Steyn:  

http://www.ocregister.com/articles/obama-percent-sign-2536772-president-government</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Plus, there is this by Mark Steyn:  </p>
<p><a href="http://www.ocregister.com/articles/obama-percent-sign-2536772-president-government" rel="nofollow">http://www.ocregister.com/articles/obama-percent-sign-2536772-president-government</a></p>
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		<title>By: David W. Lincoln</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/blog/hannan-vs-cameron-a-battle-for-conservative-leadership/#comment-379072</link>
		<dc:creator>David W. Lincoln</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Aug 2009 16:55:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let the defenders of the NHS, the Canadian health care system, and what Agent Zero and his zombies are peddling, tackle this: do any of their proposals, or systems, have more than a snowball&#039;s chance in hades of actually delivering services on a time line that medical science says ought to be the case, without bankrupting the country.

A lot of it has to do when care is delivered.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let the defenders of the NHS, the Canadian health care system, and what Agent Zero and his zombies are peddling, tackle this: do any of their proposals, or systems, have more than a snowball&#8217;s chance in hades of actually delivering services on a time line that medical science says ought to be the case, without bankrupting the country.</p>
<p>A lot of it has to do when care is delivered.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Scott</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Aug 2009 16:22:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There&#039;s a good reason why Daniel Hannan&#039;s remarks got a chilly reception in Britain (actually that&#039;s putting it mildly). 

The vast majority of Brits – on all sides of the political spectrum – are staunch supporters of a system that gives us generally excellent care for relatively low cost. The proportion of GDP spent on healthcare in the UK is about half that of the US – despite the fact that Brits enjoy a genuinely universal service, free to all at the point of use, which helps them to live longer than Americans on average and to have a much lower child mortality rate. For most of us, the idea of moving to the huge costs and rampant insecurity of the US system is just laughable.

My own experience of the British national heath service has been extremely good, and several members of my family owe their lives to prompt, expert and well-resourced treatment. 

We have high expectations of the NHS, and are well aware that it is far from perfect - after all, we pay for it out of our tax. That&#039;s one reason why any problems that NHS users experience tend to make big news in the UK, (while at the same time providing ammunition for people for whom the idea of a genuinely universal public health service is ideological anathema).

But these problems are far from typical, and have been blown out of all proportion in the debate over US health reform. In exchange for fawning treatment from right-wing talkshow hosts in the US, Daniel Hannan has chosen to participate in this ugly and deeply dishonest process of slandering a system that, on the whole, serves British people extremely well. Cameron is well aware of the anger this has caused, and rightly worried that this could lose his party a lot of votes. That&#039;s why he&#039;s dosowned Hannan&#039;s remarks.

Of course, the American people are best placed to decide how (or whether) to improve their present healthcare arrangements. But I hope that in doing so they will not be swayed by ideolgically motivated misrepresentations of what happens in other countries.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s a good reason why Daniel Hannan&#8217;s remarks got a chilly reception in Britain (actually that&#8217;s putting it mildly). </p>
<p>The vast majority of Brits – on all sides of the political spectrum – are staunch supporters of a system that gives us generally excellent care for relatively low cost. The proportion of GDP spent on healthcare in the UK is about half that of the US – despite the fact that Brits enjoy a genuinely universal service, free to all at the point of use, which helps them to live longer than Americans on average and to have a much lower child mortality rate. For most of us, the idea of moving to the huge costs and rampant insecurity of the US system is just laughable.</p>
<p>My own experience of the British national heath service has been extremely good, and several members of my family owe their lives to prompt, expert and well-resourced treatment. </p>
<p>We have high expectations of the NHS, and are well aware that it is far from perfect &#8211; after all, we pay for it out of our tax. That&#8217;s one reason why any problems that NHS users experience tend to make big news in the UK, (while at the same time providing ammunition for people for whom the idea of a genuinely universal public health service is ideological anathema).</p>
<p>But these problems are far from typical, and have been blown out of all proportion in the debate over US health reform. In exchange for fawning treatment from right-wing talkshow hosts in the US, Daniel Hannan has chosen to participate in this ugly and deeply dishonest process of slandering a system that, on the whole, serves British people extremely well. Cameron is well aware of the anger this has caused, and rightly worried that this could lose his party a lot of votes. That&#8217;s why he&#8217;s dosowned Hannan&#8217;s remarks.</p>
<p>Of course, the American people are best placed to decide how (or whether) to improve their present healthcare arrangements. But I hope that in doing so they will not be swayed by ideolgically motivated misrepresentations of what happens in other countries.</p>
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		<title>By: David W. Lincoln</title>
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		<dc:creator>David W. Lincoln</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Aug 2009 16:08:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One other thing, Sarah Palin champions visionary conservatism.  Whereas the rest of the crowd champions status quo conservatism.  Is it clearer now why I call Daniel Hannan the standard for English speaking law makers whose politics is right of centre?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One other thing, Sarah Palin champions visionary conservatism.  Whereas the rest of the crowd champions status quo conservatism.  Is it clearer now why I call Daniel Hannan the standard for English speaking law makers whose politics is right of centre?</p>
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		<title>By: David W. Lincoln</title>
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		<dc:creator>David W. Lincoln</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Aug 2009 16:06:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The central issue is, &quot;pragmatists who seek to keep the world the way it is&quot;

Given the list of things wrong with the world the way it is today, why defend the status quo?

As for what Andrew Ian Dodge said in point #8, I would modify the statement to this: there are few like Hannan in Parliament who take public stances like Hannan.

I&#039;m in Canada, and there are people in the governing caucus who see the folly of the leadership, but they do not want to point to the uncomfortable truth that the only difference between this government and its predecessors
is this: less open scandal.

When the budget is written and then passed, either party could have written it.

So, with all due respect Mr. Dodge, the battle is not just fought in the fringes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The central issue is, &#8220;pragmatists who seek to keep the world the way it is&#8221;</p>
<p>Given the list of things wrong with the world the way it is today, why defend the status quo?</p>
<p>As for what Andrew Ian Dodge said in point #8, I would modify the statement to this: there are few like Hannan in Parliament who take public stances like Hannan.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m in Canada, and there are people in the governing caucus who see the folly of the leadership, but they do not want to point to the uncomfortable truth that the only difference between this government and its predecessors<br />
is this: less open scandal.</p>
<p>When the budget is written and then passed, either party could have written it.</p>
<p>So, with all due respect Mr. Dodge, the battle is not just fought in the fringes.</p>
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