Gunwalker: Under White House Control?
For months, congressional investigators have battled a recalcitrant White House and Department of Justice over Operation Fast and Furious, a conspiracy that had the apparent goal of sending thousands of guns from American gun stores into Mexico. Recovery of the guns could be used as evidence to support the Obama administration’s 90-percent lie — and perhaps even serve a more nefarious goal.
That deception seems to be collapsing, as the long suspected proof of other gunwalking operations was confirmed by Sharyl Attkisson of CBS News:
An administration source would not describe the Tucson OCDTF case. However, CBS News has learned that ATF’s Phoenix office led an operation out of Tucson called “Wide Receiver.” Sources claim ATF allowed guns to “walk” in that operation, much like Fast and Furious.
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“Wide Receiver” joins Operation Fast and Furious as the second named gunwalking operation based in Arizona, but they do not appear to be the only gunwalking operations that existed.
The White House has so far refused to answer inquires from Senator John Cornyn about two other suspected gunwalking operations based out of the Houston and Dallas field operations areas. Additional gunwalking operations supplied drug gangs in Honduras from Florida, and supplied Chicago-area gangs from a gunwalking operation in Indiana.
While administration officials have stuck to the cover story that these were law enforcement operations, there was never any possibility of them working. There were no mechanisms to track the weapons, personnel were ordered not to make arrests, and there was never any possibility of U.S. agents affecting arrests in Mexico.
The cover story was further demolished by recent revelations that the ATF supervisors directed agents to personally walk guns to cartel members, and refused repeated attempts by field agents to have smugglers arrested before they could carry firearms over the border into Mexico. Interdiction was never on the table. Creating and insuring a steady flow of U.S. weapons into Mexico must have been the goal.
The steady demolition of the administration’s wall of silence continues. The White House finally responded — partially – to a request by the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee for communications between ATF Special Agent Bill Newell and three members of the White House national security staff. The administration released 102 pages of emails, most of which were replies and copied replies to previous emails, but refused to hand over all of the requested communications. They claimed “significant confidentiality interests in its internal communications.”
Attkisson noted:
The email exchanges span a little over a month last summer. They discuss ATF’s gun trafficking efforts along the border including the controversial Fast and Furious case, though not by name. The emails to and from O’Reilly indicate more than just a passing interest in the Phoenix office’s gun trafficking cases. They do not mention specific tactics such as “letting guns walk.”
A lawyer for the White House wrote Congressional investigators: “none of the communications between ATF and the White House revealed the investigative law enforcement tactics at issue in your inquiry, let alone any decision to allow guns to ‘walk.’”
The White House explanation does not match with the chart submitted by the ATF to the White House — the chart clearly shows that the weapons leaving Arizona were being recovered all over Mexico. The lack of interdiction was not just obvious, but glaringly so, and presented in the chart in such a way as to suggest that the spread of guns throughout Mexico was the operation’s clear goal.
Do bears live in the forest? Of course obama and hillary and (with)holder directed this because they want to get rid of guns – after all how can his personal army (black panthers) subdue the citizens and keep them from voting. We have one chance and we better get it right, or the elections might be canceled a la the gov of N Carolina.
Maybe the people they armed were going to be used as his army.
What’s scarier Goldi, is Holder has demonstrated a position to all by his NOT handling of Black Panthers that any and all voter intimidation is fine and dandy, as long as the recipient isn’t black.
2012 will be a zoo of voter intimidations, I already plan to volunteer to local polling station, and I’ll bring videocam with me.
Yeah, that may help if you live in a state that hasn’t arranged for all-mail ballots, so they can screw around with the votes in private.
I have long feared Soros-Obama are looking for ways to cancel elections and fill our ominous-looking FEMA camps with registered gun owners, but this fear has seemed even to me like I’m being a paranoid right winger. However, some of the comments here have made me envision a new scenario: labor unions’ self-declared Obama’s army of thugs and The New Black Panthers going into key precincts, fomenting violence against conservative voters and poll watchers a la Quanell X in 2012 in Sheila Jackson Lee’s district, and giving Obama the excuse to cancel elections.
Maybe right wing ranting, but it is possible and certainly not beneath this Administration.
May well be right wing ranting, but I, for one, am in your corner. Does it make you ponder why it took CBS this long to come out of its journalistic closet?? I’ve known about this Gun Walker, Fast and Furious, BATF conspiracy for months and I don’t even come close to being the sharpest knife in the drawer. We have a President who hates America, and a Dept of Justice imported directly from Chicago.
Where or where is the stand UP Sheriff? Any of these gun running schemes can be investigated and witnesses gathered up by the local sheriffs even if the Feds decide to eventually prosecute them. On the other hand, won’t they be busy taking the cases away from the locals and it won’t make them look any smarter. But that’s just a dream. Who has the fortitude to take a Federal agent criminal into custody for questioning? NOBODY. Why don’t you have your great former DOJ attorneys address that issue?
The last best hope is probably impeachment. The Obama communist cabal has signaled that elections will be postponed or indefinitely deferred.
What have you done to force the elected representatives of the people (the sheeple?) to start impeachment hearings, including for openers subpoenae of Obama’s original and amended birth certificates and DNA. Hillary Clinton and Eric Holder are also implicated and can be impeached.
The only quibble I have with this post is it wasn’t just one agency there were many involved.
Clearly to get that many agencies on board to the game it had to take higher up mission authority unless you subscribe to the concept that government is now so big it is destined to fail and that half a dozen or more agencies went rogue on their own hook.
not just rouge on their own hook, but rouge in conjunction and coordination with each other despite the long history of turf wars.
kool-aide drinkers may be naive enough to believe the WH spin, but those of us who saw obi for what he was three years ago are not.
You’re definitely right, it’s hard for the higher-ups to claim ignorance when the only way this could have been planned and executed was for pretty serious inter-agency communication involving top level directors and officials. The White House has already lied to Congress about not having any communication with the ATF on this matter, so that’s a criminal offence right there, and we already know the DOJ has lied continuously about the nature of the operation, and Holder, despite naming “Fast and Furious” during a speech, has even said that he doesn’t know about this, that’s another lie.
But does anyone get the feeling that GOP investigators are purposely keeping this story down? If Issa and Grassley wanted to they could get this plastered all over the media; all it would take is the family of Brian Terry to plea before the American people for those involved to be punished, and there you go: front page news that even the NYT can’t ignore. Or the House could just shut Congress down unless the White House/DOJ and other agencies give the investigative committee the documents they want and hire an independent prosecutor.
I think that Issa has the information to get Holder et al to resign, it’s just that it doesn’t benefit his party to release everything right now, otherwise he’d play hardball and do one of the above things to get the mainstream media more involved.
Issa’s non prosecution sometimes speaks volumes,as does his history.
It’s tough to know the players anymore without an inside scorecard. Many thanks to Bob Owens for a fine job.
With the number of agencies involved, these were directed operations.. Just follow the organizational chart to identify the culprits.
The trail leads to the White House. So, either the president was himself involved or someone on his staff was directing the operation and providing funds without the knowledge of the golfer in chief. The operation was so large and continued for so long it is most unlikely that it was not at the direction of POTUS.
Further, these programs are totally consistent with the Obama track record. It is further consistent with the Obama disdain for our constitution.
nano hit it. No way this is a rogue operation. It’s Barry’s “working on it under the table” gun control op.
Before this scandal broke, there were several reports of Mexican officials saying that guns were coming from the USA. I’d like to see a timeline of the whole story and some interviews with those Mexican officials, if they are still alive.
criminals involved in a coverup? who wouldathunkit?
the chief criminal started covering up his past sinister deeds from day one. what honest man needs to put up a veil of secrecy?
guns to honduran commie rebels is not a surprise. during their last presidential election obi-won secretly applied serious pressure on the honduran government to have the deposed x-prez reinstalled prior to the election as an illegal candidate (one term only allowed, ever). he even got almost the entire world to not recogonize honduras. it was widely believed that if the x-prez could get on the ballot the results/machines could be manipulated for a win. the people reported that the u.s. sent down and retrieved these machines after the failed coup.
that has always bothered me. we all know how easily electronics can be manipulated in ways only trained experts could detect. so, i have been watching for long shots having surprising wins, where obi-won was to be advantaged, like in a senate race or such. then i learned that here in the u.s. the unions in a lot of states control the voting machines.
just last week it was discovered that in many states our voting machines can be manupilated by remote control. now all that stuff makes sense to me. not much of a believer in coincidence. especially when i can sit back and wait to see the expected truth unfold.
Add in Soros buying the Sec. of State offices(the one who certifies elections) in many key states and you have a super cluster in 2012. Lets hope we survive it all.
I’m really bothered by the GOP being the ones to push the electronic machines.
This was not a failed conspiracy nor even a real scandal. The deception is working beautifully. Note that the outcome is anger and an increased demand for new governance, and it’s conservatives who are most falling for it.
The government WANTS people mad at it. It’s not about gun rights or politics… it’s much broader than that.
Note that the outcome is anger and an increased demand for new governance, and it’s conservatives who are most falling for it.
Huh ?
The only demand for “new governance” I’d make is to throw out the current crop of bums and crooks in Washington DC.
Wrong.. The demand is not for new governance, it is a demand for adherence not just to laws but to the constitution.
Clearly, these programs were a part of an organized government program to create an atmosphere that would allow them to pass unconstitutional laws that would eventually result in the confiscation of all private firearm ownership. Obama and his Secretary of State are attempting to institute gun confiscation through a United Nations treaty.
Remember please, the purpose of Amendment II was to make certain that the ‘people’ who own the right to govern themselves would always be armed so that they could defend themselves against any tyrant attempting to usurp their right to govern themselves.
Obama has in his desk a page that is headed “Things That Must Be Done To Destroy The Middle Class In America.” In addition to things like “Destroy Christianity,”"Turn the Military Gay,” “Redistribute Most Private Wealth,” etc., is a line that reads, “Disarm Them!”
OF&F was, pure and simple, a mechanism that would allow the captive media to spread the lie that it had already started, that guns from the US were responsible for ALL the deaths in Mexico and permit new anti-gun laws in the US as a response.
A hitch in the implementation of one item on the Kenyan’s list doesn’t stop his working on every other item on the list.
WTF. Arrows pointing from Arizona to Mexico? Obviously, these were guns recovered from crime scenes. How much more damning can you get? Why did the White House release this at all? Are Newell and O’Reilly about to go under the bus?
I’ve been following Fast and Furious for quite awhile and was aware of the other gun walking operations. This is the first time I’ve read anything about guns walking from Indiana to Chicago! Where can I find additional information on this plot?
At the links.
Thanks, found it! Amazingly brazen plot. There are people in this administration that need to held accountable … figure the odds.
These operations are only logical as a means of creating a reality to match the administration’s political myth of an “iron river of guns” flowing into Mexico from American gun dealers.
Reportedly, the FBI already knew of the cartel honchos that gun walking was allegedly intended to expose.
This whole thing stinks. The obfuscation, redacting of documents & holding back of communications from congressional inquiry due to alleged “confidentiality” concerns stink to high heaven.
The anti-gun Obamunists are clearly working hard to plant evidence at crime scenes in Mexico to frame American gun dealers. Corrupt government actions like this should remind us all why the second amendment’s guarantee of the private ownership of firearms is so important.
Can’t agree with “plant evidence,” but they did supply criminals.
Which makes me wonder, how is the next administration going to make this up to Mexico? At a minimum I’d say we’ll have to promise to investigate fully and prosecute all those involved to the fullest extent of the law. If I were a big name in Op F&F I wouldn’t step foot in any country where Mexican agents might pick me up.
“Wide Receiver:” What Eric Holder is likely to become after a few months in a federal prison.
When he’s not otherwise occupied, Eric can pass his time in the pen writing essays on how Americans are “cowards” on the subject of race.
Or how noble he was to not enforce the law on voter intimidation against those poor, beleaguered loudmouths, the New Black Panthers.
Or how civilized and elevated he was to pump for a civil show trial of Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, filthy assassin extraordinaire.
Or how he cleverly, (again against United States law) stacked the department of (in)justice with lawyers as ideologically bent as he is.
I have lots of ideas for how Eric can pass the time in prison !
Bubba is waiting…..
The left has come close to defeating the PAN candidates in the last two presidential elections. Obama was clearly trying to destabilize the current PAN government.
I think so. James Carville spent time and money campaigning against Vicente Fox.
Remember in the presidential campaign all those apologies for American behaviour by republicans past? It really grated on my nerves. Now I understand it. But, who can apologize for murder? Best to keep quiet. Maybe the Mexicans will be distracted by other problems and forget about it.
Do you see the subtle racism in this article? Can you see it? Here it is, black and white: the White House, occupied by an African American, is directing the the spread of firearms. That’s the message. It’s a play on inner-city violence, perpetrated, of course, by African Americans, who use illegal guns in their daily, drug fueled violence. Indirectly, the author of this article implies that President Obama is a crack dealer…like Wesley Snipes in New Jack City. It’s really an attempt to appeal to the sub-conscious. Evil corporations do it all day long with their vile commercials. Remember the Wendy’s “Where’s the Beef?” commercial? That was a subtle attempt to lure people into thinking that Wendy’s competitors didn’t put enough beef in their burgers. Same method is being used here…take a black president, talk about illegal guns, and wha-la! Instance race based hatred! Very sneaky, but the American proletariat will see right through it.
You have an extraordinary gift!
He/she is really good at writing over-the-top Leftist rants. Pure parody, of course. It really is hard to tell it is not really a Lefty writing. Only when you accept that it isn’t, can you actually see it. Yes, talent. There is no finer propaganda than to highlight the other side’s kookiness. People keep their distance from kooks.
And let’s not forget that we keep calling it the WHITE House.
Isn’t that a shame ?
I hereby propose that we call it
The Multicolor House.
There is mostly silence from the mainstream media on the horrors taking place in Libya.
SILENCE IS CONSENT
We need another Martin Luther King!
STOP the GENOCIDE of Blacks by the U.S. backed Libya rebels!
The Obama-supported rebels left in charge are now conducting a “large scale cleaning in the areas under their control with the extermination of all blacks in the capital”, according to The Independent.
Barbaric atrocities, kidnappings and ruthless genocide of blacks in Libya by US/France/NATO backed Al-Qaeda linked rebels has been going on for months.
US/FRANCE/NATO who have waged war for months for the Al-Qaeda
linked rebels-who murder our troops in Iraq-are RESPONSIBLE for stopping the genocide.
US/FRANCE/NATO are also responsible for rescuing the
many terrified blacks kidnapped by the rebels, including the kidnapped black children who have been horrifically abused by the black-hater Muslim rebels.
Blacks must have human rights!
STOP THE GENOCIDE!
“but the American proletariat will see right through it.” Excuse me? What ‘proletariat’? Last I recall I’m an American citizen, not a subject of the Politburo. At least, not yet.
Other sources report that the White House contact, Mr. O’Reilly, will not be available for Congressional questioning, because he was recently transferred to Iraq. If true, we have pasted the point of credible explanations. The options are shrinking for a government wide executive level cover up. Some government employee will look at their real duty, and sing.
Why did the US government aid the transfer of thousands of weapons to Mexican drug gangs? Hundreds of innocents have been murdered with them, many thousands may die. Who is responsible for the decisions which rationally led to this sorry state?
To Mexican officials, this is much like a 9-11 event, except the bad guys are supposedly on their side. The Mexican people are in a fight for survival, are experiencing slaughter, and now they are learning that their gringo ally has sold arms to the enemy.
Some evils cry out to heaven. This is a disaster.
And others will remember John Mitchell.
…and still others, Joni Mitchell.
If Mr. O’Reilly has been transferred to Iraq, he should be very wary. He is now set up to be taken out by an “anti-government” hit man in one of those frequent incidents going on now as we wind down our presence there.
“…Mr. O’Reilly, will not be available for Congressional questioning, because he was recently transferred to Iraq…”
Say WHAT????
This could only be more brazen if they hauled him out and shot him is a DC park.
He better have his own vest. And /several/ letters and DVDs stashed, “in case of accidents”.
Outrageous. And the networks are by and large keeping a lid on this? It’s literally hard to believe that senior officials in our govt cooked up an inter-agency fiasco worthy of the Keystone Kops.
But will this not break out in the media? If this can be successfully suppressed from popular view, then fixing our govt is truly hopeless…..
Who do you arrest for selling guns to the drug cartels when the criminals control the Justice Department, ATF, FBI, DHS and sundrly police agencies?
Well, Congress…let’s get a special prosecutor here and begin dragging the DOJ to testify with subpoenas. Offer them amnesty from prosecution and let’s get it ALL out into the open.
Maybe it’s worse than building a case for gun control. Maybe they were intentionally trying to destabilize Mexico in order to increase the flow of immigrants who they think will support the Left. Sounds terribly paranoid, but the way things are going, who knows?
Not paranoid at all, Mahon. Read the article at the second link in the first paragraph. There is a very strong possibility that the plot was conceived to help the radicals in the White House implement the liberal “Holy Grail” of Cloward-Piven to destroy our way of life in hopes of creating their socialist paradise.
Couldn’t this have been done to help sell the new UN treaty?
The fact that the large majority of the media is not pushing this story is making extremely clear that the nature of the left is totalitarian.
They defend this administration by omitting the truth and in so doing they protect individuals that have actually committed serious crimes.
Where is the limit of this mafia code of omerta’ ?
Now we know that there is no limit.
American Law Enforcement Officers have been murdered by criminals armed by the ATF, but the DON’T ASK (questions), DON’T TELL (the truth) policy of the media does not change.
I think that it would not change even if we were subject to a deep violation of our rights and freedoms.
We need to spread the information, we need to transform the elections of 2012 in a true and genuine insurrection against the totalitarian system of power of the left.
We need to make of the case of Fast and Furious an example that the left will never forget.
Spot-on
This will all start to really get traction early next year. Congress will assign a special prosecutor and start to put people in jail for Contempt of Congress. By the way the House, acting alone and without either the DemocRat Senate or the corrupt DOJ, can put people in prison on Contempt of Congress charges. Holder has already been caught in a lie and will do jail time one way or another. Obama can pardon his pet crooks but it will cost him the presidential elections if he does. This will break through the media wall of silence, it will bring down the DemocRats, and some people will do serious time.
He could pardon them after the election, win or lose, and it wouldn’t cost him a thing.
Iowahawk provides the dark humor:
http://iowahawk.typepad.com/iowahawk/2011/09/en-el-tel%C3%A9fono.html
Is there any possibility at all that Obama is getting these guns via a roundabout way into the hands of jihadis south of the border? Wouldn’t it make sense to kill two birds with one stone? If he’s going to do illegal stuff anyway wouldn’t he want to get some bang (no pun intended) for the buck?
I’m just thinking out loud here, I put nothing past this man.
The Muslim terrorist organization, Hezbollah, have set up operations close to our border. The Muslim terrorist organization work with the Mexican drug cartels.
Terrorist Group Setting Up Operations Near Border
Hezbollah Considered To Be More Advanced Than Al-Qaida
May 4, 2011
SAN DIEGO — A terrorist organization whose home base is in the Middle East has established another home base across the border in Mexico.
“They are recognized by many experts as the ‘A’ team of Muslim terrorist organizations,” a former U.S. intelligence agent told 10News.
http://www.10news.com/news/27780427/detail.html
Good article Mr Owens. And indeed, MUCH more needs to come to light.
Anytime you have big buck$ involved, $3 Billion 740 Million, big names will be involved. (source: http://www.dhs.gov/ynews/releases/pr_1237930080517.shtm).
I already had a list of five operations related to Fast & Furious:
-Operation Armas Cruzadas
-Operation Firewall
-Operation Accelerator
-Operation Stonegarden
-Project Gunrunner
… I guess I add Wide Receiver to it as well.
The entire White House staff that has been questioned about this has LIED.
Though Holder doesn’t recall anything Fast & Furious a few weeks before May 3, 2011, back on April 2, 09 he bragged up Project Gunrunner to Mexico…
http://washingtonexaminer.com/blogs/beltway-confidential/2011/07/holder-bragged-about-operation-gunrunner-2009
And the official DOJ document of same:
http://www.justice.gov/ag/speeches/2009/ag-speech-090402.html
It’s just a matter of time before we learn ‘Fast & Furious’ went all the way to the Oval Office, and this time it’s not Monica disgracing our house and dribbling on her dress…
http://www.bing.com/search?q=eric+holder+banana+massacre&form=IE8SRC&src=IE-SearchBox
just glance at the blurbs –you’ll see that Holder was already working out the how-to on this project way back in the late 90s.
…in the end, though destabilizing PAN, activating contract paramilitary units inside the USA at the right time to relieve some other pressure perhaps, and other related possibilities have been mentioned, there may be a reason behind all THAT is likely more to do with the mostly-silent (tho more or less raging) commodity war than any good old-fashioned Marxist subversion. Holder is quite connected to Marc Rich already (the notorious pardon) but there are many connections outside that whole scandal –which began with oil, recall –Marc Rich and his hand in the ‘Oil for Food’ syndicate is what ultimately brought his lawyer, Eric Holder, to work up the pardon from his position inside the Clinton administration.
Here’s a PJ Tatler from mid-August –there’s only ten comments but they contain a half dozen very interesting links –and they are just the scratches on the surface of something bigger, which will come out out sooner or later and will involve the BP blowout in the Gulf of Mexico. I know …sounds completely nutz. But just wait and see.
“recent revelations that the ATF supervisors directed agents to personally walk guns to cartel members,”
The utter horror of government agencies providing weapons to extremely barbaric drug cartels screams out to Americans that no one is safe. That our government eagerly and fanatically provides weapons to violent drug cartels is a warning how close we are to losing our freedom to the most cruel and ruthless people. The American government is supposed to be the good guys. Not the bad guys. God help America!
My frustration with Issa’s and Grassley’s Congressional investigation into Fast & Furious is the attitude expressed by Issa that this was simply “felony-stupid bad judgment.”
It wasn’t bad judgment. It wasn’t a misguided policy. It wasn’t a well-intentioned plan gone awry. It was a subversive attempt to promote gun control and was intentionally corrupt.
Eric Holder is deliberately stonewalling a Congressional investigation. John Boehner has a sworn duty to prepare impeachment charges against corrupt officials in the Executive Branch.
Demand it or it won’t happen, folks.
Tex
With all these weapons on the street how are we to defend ourselves against the criminal element that has used these guns in the past?
Over 2000 weapons are now unaccounted for, they could turn up anywhere on ether side of the border.
I remember that democrats began their talking point attack on guns in Mexico early on in Obama’s reign. A quick search brought up a short article on Michelle Malkin’s website which I’ve posted below. Notice the date of April 2009.
Start MM article
[..Debunking the “90 percent of guns used in Mexican crimes are American” lie
By Michelle Malkin • April 2, 2009 01:02 PM
Excellent myth-buster piece from William La Jeunesse and Maxim Lott at Fox News on an anti-gun rights lie. Countering the double-barreled propaganda from both the gun controllers and the open-borders lobby is a job most of the MSM refuses to do:
You’ve heard this shocking “fact” before — on TV and radio, in newspapers, on the Internet and from the highest politicians in the land: 90 percent of the weapons used to commit crimes in Mexico come from the United States.
– Secretary of State Hillary Clinton said it to reporters on a flight to Mexico City.
– CBS newsman Bob Schieffer referred to it while interviewing President Obama.
– California Sen. Dianne Feinstein said at a Senate hearing: “It is unacceptable to have 90 percent of the guns that are picked up in Mexico and used to shoot judges, police officers and mayors … come from the United States.”
– William Hoover, assistant director for field operations at the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, testified in the House of Representatives that “there is more than enough evidence to indicate that over 90 percent of the firearms that have either been recovered in, or interdicted in transport to Mexico, originated from various sources within the United States.”
There’s just one problem with the 90 percent “statistic” and it’s a big one:
It’s just not true.
In fact, it’s not even close. By all accounts, it’s probably around 17 percent.
What’s true, an ATF spokeswoman told FOXNews.com, in a clarification of the statistic used by her own agency’s assistant director, “is that over 90 percent of the traced firearms originate from the U.S.”
But a large percentage of the guns recovered in Mexico do not get sent back to the U.S. for tracing, because it is obvious from their markings that they do not come from the U.S........] end MM article.
Had the ATF already been flooding Mexico with American bought firearms at this point, or did they do it after these wild claims in order to beef up and “prove” the claims? Obviously this assertion by dems made the Journolist “news” list and became a democrat talking point.
When Obama said this past March that
["I just want you to know that we are working on it," Barack Obama reportedly told Sarah Brady regarding gun control. "We have to go through a few processes, but under the radar."] do you suppose that these ATF gunrunning operations were a part of their stealth attack on the 2nd Amendment?
When I first heard this suspicion expressed a while back I thought “naahhh, can’t be, that’s too outrageous, but the more I think about it, the more I realize that we can’t put anything past these marxists. Their goal is the takeover of our country and I think they will do it by any means at their disposal. Hope they all hang for their treason.
Folks, we have a problem here. How does our system of government address the abuses of a corrupt executive branch of government short of impeaching the president? All enforcement agencies are part of the executive branch.
As long as there are 34 Copperheads / RINOs in the Senate, impeachment will not work. The question is why any employee of an armed Federal agency continues to take orders from this gang. As long as they do, they must be considered accomplices.
…something smells strange about even the part that stinks to high heaven.
The whole operation is so big and far-flung, with so many covert players involved, that the ‘highest circle’ must have known that the scheme would very likely be outed sooner or later.
IOW, in the hypothetical, they planned on getting busted. If so, then the question would be ‘why?’ and the only answer i can come up with is, they wanted a reaction by the public that they could then parlay into some change in the status quo anti.
It helps to remember that when all this was planned, they were riding high with no worries about any Tea Party revolution in any mid-term election.
Buddy, I’m also bothered by that. Then again, they have already gotten away with some pretty raw stuff, Cattle Futures, the Edwards DD214, Obama’s background and school records (not to mention the dread birth cert and the SSN). They have been able to dodge questions on all of these, why not this gun running scam as well.
I agree –they are practiced and confident in the art of stonewalling it out.
And, almost unbelievably, that is the most comforting of the possible explanations.
Exactly, and this is just one fiasco, there are too many smoking guns, pun intended, Solar, Social Security card # invalid, Black Panther get out the vote campaign, War powers act/Libya, birth certificate, Michelle O’s $800,000 “personal pilgrimage” to rub elbows with Desmond, Chicago land deal, etc. etc. Why besides Issa is there no further investigations into all this, all is washed aside. What a nightmare!
Issa says he needs to collect a huge stack of docs and witnesses that can’t be ignored or spun any longer, and it seems like it’s taking forever, given what we already know. Doesn’t he have enough to proceed, and if not, why not? Should I forward Bob’s article and links to him?
In the past, independent counsel or special prosecutors have been employed by the Congress to investigate the Executive. Where are they, Issa? Dig in! I want all scofflaws out of power now!
The only problem I see is procrastination, resulting in our frustration at the Congress. They have the tools to proceed.
From what I understand, Issa is skeptical of the “independent prosecutor” because he/she would be appointed by Holder. If thats the case, then Issa should keep this and dig as deep as he can to make sure the “SP” cant just sweep it under the rug. Once he hands this over to Justice, Congress is done with it. They will have no more authority to investigate. Better to have ALL of the stones turned over before Congress gives it up
It is very likely that the administration was laying the groundwork for an anti-gun treaty with Mexico as a jusrisdictional hook for going after intrastate private sales.
Because the Administration version of Gunrunner changed policy from the Bush Administration version – we know that it did not come from some zealous underling at DOJ or in the BATFE. In our system of government, policy changes come only from the White House where they are set by only one person.
Now if only we could figure out who that person is… hmm, where, oh where, is that buck stopping? Hundreds of inquiring RINO minds want to know – providing it doesn’t interfere with their getting invited to cool Washington parties of course.
Special Prosecutor Now!
Hempen neckties, later.
Maybe they’re way ahead of us –maybe they came into office wanting to make an issue of ‘the danger of guns’. So they did what was in their power to do –and thereby have in fact already made that issue –in the minds of the average not-paying-much-attention Joe and Josephine Voter. Albeit in an-ill-defined, dark-cloud fashion, rather than the sharply-defined court cases they had likely hoped for. This would be a variation of the ‘he hit me back first’ appeal: “See? Guns are SO dangerous, even your government should not be trusted with them”.
The Administration refuses to reveal any information about its Constitutional reasoning for “assassinating” an American citizen by hiding behind a cloak of secrecy, because…. well, it’s just secret. We can’t tell you why we assassinate, if we did we’d have to do it again and we don’t want to do it again, if we don’t have to, so that’s why we can’t tell you. Capiche? And we want answers from these folks about “Fast & Furious” gun-running? The laughter is so loud it can be heard inside the walls of the Kremlin!!!
I have said for many years that the drug traffic in the USA could not flourish as it does without long-term political protection at the highest levels. The current ‘gun-walking’ scandals merely demonstrate my assertions. Further, the cartel wars and all the rest are financed by our own druggies. Our country is deliberately destroying our neighbour for monstrous reasons. “Poor Mexico! So far from God, so near the United States!”
We should keep in mind that the enormous cash flowing into contraband dope has been accumulating for a very long time and will have very much ‘nation-like’ power if and when it organizes purposefully. Think ‘iceberg’ –not much showing above the surface of the water.
We should be asking ourselves why some of our pols can be such personal-behavior libertines on all matters save the war on drugs, where they completely reverse principles to become staunch supporters of the status quo. Pelosi and Biden come immediately to mind. Not to mention Holder, who was until his new DOJ job actually the attorney of record representing Chiquita Banana (derivatives of the case are still in court in Florida) as defendant against an accusation of alliance with Colombian narcoterrorists FARC in a series of lethal turf & commerce shootouts –featuring BTW smuggled weapons.
Patrick Byrne, maverick CEO of Overstock dot com, has a blog (featured in several Fox News stories) which delves into this topic as it relates to the 2008 financial crash. It’s called ”Deep Capture” –look it up –make sure you’re sitting down first, tho.
It seems pretty clear the field supervisors are being promised protection from a DOJ investigation as they are being promoted and moved to D.C. where they can be better controlled.
Congressional investigators should silently pass the word that such protection will not exist under the next administration and any persons involved in the coverup (i.e. preventing lawful Congressional oversight) will be prosecuted in 2013. They should use the Holder DOJ reopening of the closed CIA interrogation investigation (requiring CIA personnel to hire their own counsel at their own expense) as a recent example of what happens when a new administration moves into the WH.
Those low level players involved in the coverup can only protect themselves with a Presidential pardon of any and all activities. I suggest they get that in writing before they participate further.
Dick Cheney and George Bush are every where! Obama even sees them in his dreams. I forgot demons do not sleep!
The ATF has time and again, proven itself to be an agency that will dishonor the oath that it took to uphold the Constitution. If by doing so, ATF’s management, can further their careers, or increase the budget and spear of influence of the agency, they always seem to be on board with the program. The examples include the debacles of Waco, Ruby Ridge, and now Fast and Furious.
The crimes committed by the ATF, the DOJ, and the Obama administration should not go unpunished, but it will take a Republican sweep of Congress and the White House to unleash justice on the perpetrators. That’s assuming the Republicans have the cojones to take on an ex President and Attorney General. Of that I am not at all confident.
That’s “sphere of influence”, proofread twice and still missed it.
Remember ‘just gone’ I know a group of people who are recommending it as the only way to get this lop sided ball rolling – justice for the Justice Department by any form of violent action would most likely give our twisted leader an excuse for banning the upcoming elections. No violence – they just start ‘going away’ and are kept in storage until the military type tribunals can handle the treasonous bastards.
As the administration dwindles in size and the presidents Panther Army and Government supported unions are reduced in number – along with the closure of many mainstream publications – maybe then we will have a chance at ridding our country of the evil that is Obama!
The list of ‘goners’ in the Justice Department alone will fill my tobacco barn – come on people – we will need more space for storage!
the very fact that it took the AFT and the DOJ to allow these programs to happen shows that they were just following orders from higher up.
Operation Gunrunner–in which the government authorized the sale of weapons with the intent of letting these weapons fall into the hands of Mexican drug cartels.
Operation Castaway–in which the government authorized the sale of weapons knowing they would fall into the hands of Honduran gangs.
Project Gangwalker the AFT and the DOJ allowed the straw purchases of weapons which eventually ended up in the hands of United States gang members in Indiana” and have been found at crime scenes in that state.
Now picture gang bangers in armed flash mobs, and just where did that army that Obama formed disappear to?
Add to that a state governor that thinks there should be no elections for two years until the congress can fix the problem. And Obama does not think that Americans understand democracy as well as he does.
It all leads to the UN small arms treaty that Hillary signed off on all to disarm the American populace.
It all sounds treasonous to me
Obama is following Saul Alinsky’s warning that, “The only concrete impediment to a Socialist Revolution in America is the Second Amendment.” Getting rid of the guns in the hands of citizens is crucial to their control, as could be attested to by the likes of Stalin, Hitler and other totalitarian leaders. For every day that Obeyme is in the White House, the choke hold of control is tightening on the neck of every American citizen.
We keep hearing more and more about Holder’s and Obama’s complicitness in this whole mess, yet, nothing happens to them? Why?
The RINOs who should have launched a comprehensive investigation of Obama in January 2011 refused, for fear it would be “overreaching” (Darrell Issaa, Chairman, House Oversight).
This scandal from Obama and company makes Watergate look like preschool children arguing over a toy. Watergate was a petty break in, no one died or was even injured, yet even today it is still talked about as a huge scandal, people went jail over it and Nixon resigned in disgrace. With Obama’s Fast and Furious scandal we have American and Mexican deaths involved, a foreign countries sovereignty challenged, 1400+ missing AK47 rifles most likely now in the hands of murderous drug lords. Fast and Furious guns are now showing up at multiple crime scenes, and also our government looked the other way as drug shipments flowed into this country. This Fast and Furious scandal main goal was a attempt by Obama regime to weaken the Second Amendment, remember Obama has been bragging to his liberal supporters, that he has been working on gun control behind the scenes, but we now know due to his stupidity and incompetence his gun control scheme fell apart in a very disaterous way. Where is our so called watch dog media on this, with only a few exceptions there is nothing but crickets from them. To many of lame street liberal media is too busy giving Obama lap dances and kissing his ass. Obama’s blood drenched hands are all over the Fast and Furious operation, impeachment and long jail time sentences should be only opening salvos in this scandal.
Not just to “weaken the Second Amendment”, but to negate it altogether.
This should be no surprise. Clues have been piling up that Obama is a Comintern mole bent upon subjugation of the United States. Tyrants always deny the subjects their right of self-defense.
What a bunch of scum bags. The first black to occupy our white house is a low life that is illegal, has a stolen SS card and a phony name to boot. Put his bony knees in the breeze, send him back where he came from along with all his corrupt cronies. A first ? that hates the country and a husband that’s tearing it apart trillions at a time. Black history day will never be the same, they might abolish it. I want it to continue to remind the ones that voted for this fraud. We need a black president, it is time a black man be president. That’s all the blacks talked about and now look what we got along with the help of a bunch of bleeding heart guilt ridden white folk.
You’re absolutely right –and that fact is one of the most perverse, cynical, and subversive things about the whole Obama phenomenon –that the faction which brought him along and got him into the WH wanted America’s first red president to also be her first black president.
At best, the intent must have been to parlay reverse-racism into hopefully doing more damage than a white guy could do to our system –at worst, the intent must have been to destroy as much as possible of our century of hard-won progress toward a color-blind society.
My only question is where is Wikileaks and a couple of very good hackers when we really need them?
Hand grenades don’t fit the ‘second amendment theory’ but maybe they are just part of the US government/Mexican drug gang new corporate culture aborning.
(snip)
In Washington D.C., Justice Department spokeswoman Tracy Schmaler said the department’s inspector general has expanded that investigation to include the Kingery case.
“The department is aware of concerns raised” about the Kingery case “and has been looking into it,” said Schmaler. “We have notified Congress about this operation and offered to brief them on it.”
Schmaler did not say specifically why the grenade-smuggling case was
being investigated, but the Wall Street Journal reported that Kingery had been detained in Arizona in June 2010 and then released, purportedly because officials wanted to use him as an informant or in a sting operation.
The ATF refused to confirm that report. ATF spokesman Drew Wade said “we can’t confirm or deny the existence of an ongoing criminal investigation.”
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The ATF “Fast & Furious” supersedes the Watergate scandal of the Nixon presidency, yet no Indepenent Counsel has been assigned to investigate and prosecute,if the evidence warants a prosecution.This scandal is becoming more and more devious as more illegal ATF gun deals are revealed.
The DOJ, Eric Holder and the Whitehouse is certainly envoled up to their necks.Is the Whitehouse, DOJ and the ATF ABOVE THE LAW? It seems that they are and this needs to be addressed by Congress and the Senate. How can Eric Holder, the top law inforcement officer of the USA himself be above the law?
Nobody was killed because of the Watergate scandal, but Whitehouse Staff memebers were jailed and President Nixon was forced to resign before being impeached. Is Obama exempt from investigtion and prosecution because he’s black? Apparently this is the case. Would George W. Bush get away with it?