Gunwalker: Punch-Drunk Eric Holder Swings Back at Critics, Hits Self
Friday was just another day in a continuing series of bad days for the administration of President Barack Obama, as the furor surrounding the executive branch’s gun-walking scandal continues to escalate.
The day began with a gritty montage-style video from the House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform, asking the question few in the media are willing to ask about the gun-walking program: Holder vs. White House: Who Is Responsible? Like a duffel bag stuffed with straw-purchased Draco pistols, the day quickly went “south” from there.
The White House attempt to implement a weak “Bush did it too” defense collapsed in spectacular fashion, in the worst possible way. The administration – specifically the Department of Justice — leaked a claim that a Bush-era operation called “Wide Receiver” also walked guns to Mexican cartels, just like Obama’s Operation Fast and Furious. The claim served as a “hook” to draw out news agencies that had up until now largely ignored the scandal out of partisan deference to the White House.
But the claim simply wasn’t true.
While the steady drip-drip-drip of evidence has destroyed claims that the Obama administration program was anything but a way to arm criminals to support the 90-percent lie and the president’s gun control agenda, the Bush-era Operation Wide Receiver was a legitimate “botched” law enforcement operation that failed because of an over-reliance on new and unproven technologies and an underestimation of the cunning of cartel smugglers. One of the key witnesses testifying about Wide Receiver even came forward to debunk the DOJ’s claims of “Bush did it too,” noting that the 2006-2007 operation was a small local ATF operation, conducted without Justice or White House support.
The Obama DOJ created more media interest with the Bush claim, only to have the claim fall apart as the national interest in the case finally began to rise. Oops.
Just as the Wide Receiver claim was falling apart, new documents surfaced that seemed to undermine Eric Holder’s defense that he was unaware of Operation Fast and Furious, the best-known of the administration’s gun-walking scandals. Sharyl Attkisson released documents that showed then-Deputy Attorney General Gary Grindler, the second-highest ranking official in Justice, received a detailed briefing on the operation and made hand-written notes in the margins. The briefing was on March 12, 2010, six months into Operation Fast and Furious:
In handwritten notes about Fast and Furious that are not all legible, Grindler writes about “seizures in Mexico” and “links to cartel.” He also noted “seizures in Mexico” on a map of Phoenix, the home base for Fast and Furious, and Mexico locations where some guns ended up. And Grindler made notations on a photograph of several dozen rifles.
As the evidence continues to cast strong doubts on the attorney general’s truthfulness, one of his defensive measures seems to be collapsing. The Obama administration and Holder’s Department of Justice have repeatedly fallen back on using the DOJ inspector general’s investigation as a way to keep from answering the hard questions about the gun-walking operations. When pressed about the plot, they defer to the inspector general’s investigation.
Now we know why.
It turns out that acting DOJ Inspector General Cynthia A. Schnedar, who had leaked information gathered by congressional investigators to the subjects of her investigation, is an old colleague of Eric Holder:
It turns out that Ms. Schnedar has long and close ties to Mr. Holder. According to her biography on the Justice Department website, she became assistant U.S. attorney in Washington, D.C. in 1994. Eric Holder had become the U.S. attorney in Washington the previous year, so he in effect was Schnedar’s boss from 1994 until 1997, when he left to become President Clinton’s deputy attorney general. Holder would become a key player in the scandalous pardons of fugitive billionaire Marc Rich and members of the Puerto Rican nationalist terrorist group known as FALN.
But during Ms. Schnedar’s tenure before Holder had departed, it happened that they had ended up working a number of cases together. According to the LexisNexis website, there were at least fourteen of them, usually at the appellate level. For Holder, it was more than just “in name only”; in some of those cases, they apparently co-filed legal briefs.
A responsible inspector general would have immediately noted the obvious conflict of interest and stepped aside after calling for a special counsel to conduct an impartial inquiry. The fact that Schnedar chose not to disclose this conflict of interest indicates possible collusion and corruption of the DOJ Inspector General’s Office. Schnedar may very well find herself the star of her own corruption trial.
Despite the continuing collapse of the attorney general’s defense — or perhaps in response to it — Holder went on offense late Friday with a scathing letter to the chairmen and ranking congressional committee heads investigating the scandal, seeking to both attack his critics and, incredibly, call for more gun control.
Holder’s ostensible excuse for attacking those trying to investigate his department — other than keeping himself out of prison — was to claim that he:
…could not sit idly by as a Majority Member of the House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform suggests, as happened this week, that law enforcement and government employees who dedicate their lives to protecting our citizens be considered “accessories to murder.”
Holder appears to have been passive-aggressively attacking Arizona Rep. Paul Gosar, who repeated a similar claim Wednesday. Unfortunately for the embattled Holder, Gosar was only relaying the thoughts of his state’s law enforcement community. While Holder’s lawyers were vetting his letter for release, ten Arizona sheriffs — five Democrats and five Republicans — came together to call the gun-walking operations “a betrayal of state law enforcement.” The sheriffs demanded President Obama appoint a special counsel to investigate, and stated bluntly that Attorney General Holder should resign or be fired. Pinal County Sheriff Paul Babeu stated:
We want to get to the bottom of this. One, to find out what truly happened, and two, to ensure this never happens again. This is not political. This is a public safety issue, this is a threat against our deputies and local officers, not only in Arizona but across the Southwest.
It was an earlier statement by Babeu and cited by Rep. Gosar that Holder criticized:
Pinal County Sheriff Paul Babeu recently pointed out: “If somebody gives a gun to somebody knowing they’re going to commit murder, guess what we call them? … We call them accomplices.”
Holder no doubt chose to castigate the congressman instead of the front-line law enforcement officers who are our soldiers in this conflict against the very narco-terrorists Holder’s Department has allegedly armed in ten cities in five states with enough weapons to arm a U.S. Army division.
As part of his constant effort to impose gun control, Holder also tried to claim, as other Democrats have, that current laws are insufficient to stop weapons trafficking and that “penalties for straw purchasers are inadequate.”
Someone should tell him about a long-running program called Don’t Lie For The Other Guy, a joint effort of his own ATF and the National Shooting Sports Foundation that reminds straw purchasers that buying a weapon for someone you know can’t legally get a gun could get you ten years in prison.
Or was that in another memo he didn’t read?
Also read: Dems Abandoning Ship?
Impeach the President if the evidence indicates he knew about it, as it surely seems to.
Arrest Holder, the President, and anyone else who knew about this obviously criminal operation – could RICO be brought in on this?
Prosecute them to the fullest extent allowed by law.
Extradite the lot of them to Mexico and Honduras to stand trial there.
Show the WORLD that American politicians are NOT above the law.
Orion
It wouldn’t be as so much “above the law”, is it, as above “accessories to murder”?
This is the Hope&Change! that you voted for.
Just one problem: you can’t arrest a sitting President. Just because Obama will have lost the 2012 election, does not mean he will give up the presidency. As much as he and his cronies have subverted the constitution, that scenario grows less paranoid by the day.
You can’t arrest a sitting President? For accessory to murder? Says who? Why not? Is the POTUS above the law? Even the attempt would be hard for the MSM to ignore.
You are incorrect in assuming that the President of the United States can not be arrested. To wit:
Question: Does the Provost Marshal General of the Army or Marine Corp have the athority to arrest the President?
This would not ‘usually’ be the case. The Provost Marshal General of The Army is a Headquarters US Army flag officer position and serves directly under the Chief of Staff – US Army.
In one of our legal classes in Command & Staff School – Air University, the scenario was built classroom-style that greatly parallels the terrible situation we find ourselves in today. (Please remember that these classes were taught by Harvard Law School folks with a string of letters behind their names as long as your arm.)”It has been determined that the president has committed treason in a manner unmistakable to all. The Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff convenes a covert meeting to get a vote of the JCS. (Here is where the Provost Marshall General of the Army and/or Marines may be in attendance.)
Please remember at this time that a military officer takes an oath of office to do one thing and one thing only – “……. to support and defend the Constitution of the United States against ALL enemies, foreign OR DOMESTIC.” They must determine above a reasonable doubt that the enemy domestic is the treasonous president.
A convoy of 10 to 12 HIGH ranking officers depart the Pentagon, accompanied by a large contingent of Military Police (Provost Marshal General??) and all necessary armament and provisions to enter the grounds of the White House, by FORCE if necessary, proceed to the location of the president and put him under arrest.
(This scenario is when we are not at DECLARED WAR)
Then, The Chairman of the JCS would advise the Speaker of The House, The President of the Senate, The Attorney General and the Secretary of State of their actions.
In times of DECLARED WAR, the president can be shot on the spot if he resists or is a threat to the nation or those around him. Please remember, that the last DECLARED WAR was the second world war, declared on 8 December 1941.
That sounds so much like what happened in Honduras, doesn’t it?
This will work almost exactly the same, our so called president will have to leave the country but where would he find refuge? Kenya perhaps!
“where would he find refuge?” Cuba, Venezuela, somewhere where he fits in and would be protected by the local government.
Yes you can-Richard Nixon resigned in 1974 under threat of arrest from none other than REPUBLICAN Senate minority leader Howard Baker. The president is not above the law.
Orion I love the idea of extraditing them to Mexico. I say lets do it on the condition that they be returned to the U.S. for prossecution when they finish their prison terms. if they are still alive. stipulate to Mexico if they die there they bury them there,
Of course, the beauty of it is that the tarp has been pulled off and all the bugs are starting to scatter out of panic. Then, there’s the classic national socialist, lofty, nose-in-the-air attitude that always shows up when they feel put-upon.
I’m not sure what stage of denial Holder’s in but the lame attempt to “blame Bush” obviously floated into the flame and now his being indignant just makes him look stupid. Which, granted is redundant.
But thanks to PJM and a few other wonderful sites in the NEW MEDIA, the truth kept coming out and all that’s left, really, is for the perpetrators to sit on the stand in a court of law and explain themselves. If convicted, everyone knows when Captain Zero is de-elected, and he and his wife are stripping the white house of every dish, piece of silverware and plasma TV, he will also pardon Eric The Red.
However, watching the boy squirm right now is just such great fun. You’ve been caught, Eric. When such a thing happens, you can demonstrate some semblance of character or you can act like the spoiled reprobate that you are. It shows in everything you do and say. And it will bite you in the ass.
“Show the WORLD that American politicians are NOT above the law.”
But they are. Or hadn’t you noticed?
How else do they not pay their taxes, lie about citizens, cram obamacare through without the proper origination in the House (for just one small legislative example) and refuse to fulfill the requirements of their oaths of office? If there is anything I am certain of in these dark and awful days, it’s the American politicians are indeed above the law. We wouldn’t be in the mess we are if they were not.
Eric Holder is a RACIST and a LIAR and it seems his boss Obambi is too.
Well, if in the very least, the technical aspect of his training hasn’t failed; I mean, “accessories to murder” is the correct term—isn’t it? Or, would it better as, “accomplices”?
I’ve been around some bad people, here and there, and with the Holder gang, I do kinda think that, they knew just what they were doing, . . . and not merely, “incompetent or stupid”.
Yea verily! Racist has been proven. Criminal, malicious scoundrel and lying traitor are being proven. Will Holder/Obama face SERIOUS consequenses? The odds are against that. However, this may assist us in our righteous battle to RID OUR REPUBLIC of these malignant fools. Keep up the good fight fine Americans, this is well worth the effort!
It’s possible that at some point push is going to come to shove and the House will vote to impeach Holder instead of letting this ludicrous “internal investigation” proceed until after the election. A number of Democrats may side with Republicans to send Obama a message.
I’m assuming that an impeachment proceeding will sweep away all attempts to impede full disclosure. Someone tell me if I’m wrong.
I believe impeachment is reserved for elected officials.
Wikipedia, for what it’s worth: The Constitution grants the House the power to impeach “The President, the Vice President, and all civil Officers of the United States.” [3] It has been suggested that members of Congress are not officers of the United States.[5] Others, however, believe that members are civil officers and are subject to impeachment
Seems like an independent prosecutor is the best route. Somehow Senator Leahy and his new obfuscation defense, based on the DOJ Inspector General’s ‘investigation’, need to be dealt with as well.
Doesn’t look like anything will happen fast, but the Issa Committee can continue drip-drip-dripping information, likewise PJM and the blogs, and the MSM may even feel that Obama must be saved by sacrificing Holder.
Not a bad soap opera, so far.
Insufficiently Sensitive – Wouldn’t ‘civil officers’ include Department heads, or is there a special meaning to ‘civil officers’ that restricts it to elected officials?
CIVIL OFFICER defined by the Law Dictionary:
CIVIL OFFICER. The constitution of the United States, art. 2, s. 4, provides, that the president, vice-president, and civil officers of the provides, that the president, vice-president, and civil officers of the United States, shall be removed from office on impeachment for, and United States, shall be removed from office on impeachment for, and conviction of treason, bribery, or other high crimes and misdemeanors. By conviction of treason, bribery, or other high crimes and misdemeanors. By this term are included all officers of the United States who hold their this term are included all officers of the United States who hold their appointments under the national government, whether their duties are appointments under the national government, whether their duties are executive or judicial, in the highest or the lowest departments; of the executive or judicial, in the highest or the lowest departments; of the government, with the exception of officers of the army and navy. Rawle on government, with the exception of officers of the army and navy. Rawle on the Const. 213; 2 Story, Const. Sec. 790; a senator of the United States, it the Const. 213; 2 Story, Const. Sec. 790; a senator of the United States, it was decided, was not a civil officer, within the meaning of this clause in was decided, was not a civil officer, within the meaning of this clause in the constitution. Senate Journals, 10th January, 1799; 4 Tuck. Bl. Com. the constitution. Senate Journals, 10th January, 1799; 4 Tuck. Bl. Com. Appx. 57, 58; Rawle, Const. 213; Serg. on Const. Law, 376; Story, Const. Appx. 57, 58; Rawle, Const. 213; Serg. on Const. Law, 376; Story, Const. Sec. 791. Sec. 791.
Sorry about the above post… It is quite scrambled! But I think the definition indicates that Holder is a ‘civil officer’.
Yes, correct. Obama cannot be arrested.
“The President,Vice President and ALL civil officers of the United States SHALL BE REMOVED from office on Impeachment for, and conviction of Treason, Bribery, or other high crimes and misdemeanors” Article II, Sec.4 (US Const.)
Question: Does the Provost Marshal General of the Army or Marine Corp have the authority to arrest the President?
“This would not ‘usually’ be the case. The Provost Marshal General of The Army is a Headquarters US Army flag officer position and serves directly under the Chief of Staff – US Army.
In one of our legal classes in Command & Staff School – Air University, the scenario was built classroom-style that greatly parallels the terrible situation we find ourselves in today. (Please remember that these classes were taught by Harvard Law School folks with a string of letters behind their names as long as your arm.)”It has been determined that the president has committed treason in a manner unmistakable to all. The Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff convenes a covert meeting to get a vote of the JCS. (Here is where the Provost Marshall General of the Army and/or Marines may be in attendance.)
Please remember at this time that a military officer takes an oath of office to do one thing and one thing only – “……. to support and defend the Constitution of the United States against ALL enemies, foreign OR DOMESTIC.” They must determine above a reasonable doubt that the enemy domestic is the treasonous president.
A convoy of 10 to 12 HIGH ranking officers depart the Pentagon, accompanied by a large contingent of Military Police (Provost Marshal General??) and all necessary armament and provisions to enter the grounds of the White House, by FORCE if necessary, proceed to the location of the president and put him under arrest.
(This scenario is when we are not at DECLARED WAR)
Then, The Chairman of the JCS would advise the Speaker of The House, The President of the Senate, The Attorney General and the Secretary of State of their actions.
In times of DECLARED WAR, the president can be shot on the spot if he resists or is a threat to the nation or those around him. Please remember, that the last DECLARED WAR was the second world war, declared on 8 December 1941.”
Impeachment is a political process. Can you SERIUOSLY see Upchuck U Schumer, Disgusting Harry Greed, or Bernie the Bullsheetvick Sanders voting to REMOVE O from office?
— “I believe impeachment is reserved for elected officials.”
Makes sense. Then “accessory to murder” it must be. Mass murder. Mass murder that is onging, in fact, assuming that some of the weapons are still doing the work that was intended of them.
Weapons are not intended for anything. They are created objects for the application of force. Only human beings can supply the intent necessary for murder.
Yes, Cabinet appointees can be impeached. All political appointees require the approval of the Senate to be installed into their posts. When these posts were created, the ability to remove such persons was also made. They serve at the pleasure of the President, but Congress can also remove them via impeachment.
“…the very narco-terrorists Holder’s Department has allegedly armed in ten cities in five states with enough weapons to arm a U.S. Army division.” Does no one remember Pres. 0bama’s promise to establish a parallel armed security force coequal to our military? What’s next? arming ACORN, NBBP and the union thugs at SEIU etal?
You’re on the right track …think Rhodesia …south afrika
He made it sound like he meant a “Job Corps” type outfit. But, once such a group is put together, what’s to keep them non-violent? Recall: the Black Panthers were pretending to be a charity group running day care centers (while selling drugs from those day care centers).
Well-lets see-who were they arming in Tampa? MS 13? Isnt that a gang of ILLEGAL immigrants most noted for using machetes to kill there victims? So now they are getting Barrett .50Cal sniper rifles? Wonder what they need them for. What about our little gang in Indiannopolis? What do they need submachine guns for, except maybe if Ahoder and Obama want them to have them for when they lose in 2012?
You might want to consider the possibility that Holder is much like his boss, Obama, not so much criminal as incompetent or stupid.
I have considered that Eric and his boss are both a little slow.
After all, how could anyone lie and dissemble with such alacrity and think that We The Peeps were collectively stupid enough to fall for it ?
However, this is my country, what’s left of it, and political correctness towards the mentally challenged cannot fly when those individuals are holding the reins of power in Washington DC.
tanstaafl you must remember that a majority of the people proved they were STUPID enough to vote these SLIMEBALLS into office.
Sort of like, Mahmoud Abbas and the PLO are actual Zionists but their words and violent deeds have been misinterpreted?????
I think you have it exactly backwards. They are neither incompetent nor stupid so much as criminal and treasonous.
How about, stupid, incompetent and knowingly advocating policies that are criminal in the US and MEX, attempting to circumvent the US Constitution in hopes of generating terror to further their nefarious political goal of domsetic “gun control”. One might even add, advocating the use of fear, murder and mayhem as a political tool….TERRORISM? The Obama/Holder diabolical duo are undeniably despotic!
Have we dismissed the idea that Obama is a Manchurian President, whose office was purchased for him by overseas interests who desperately want the American public to be disarmed for their own reasons; which would make Holder the Manchurian Puppet?
Sorry, these people are definitely not stupid. Their ideas may be stupid but they are not. Criminal, yes, arrogant, yes, incompetent, yes. Stupid, no, above the law, no – at least not yet. Anyone who thinks ANY of this is happening because of stupidity needs to see how the have followed Cloward-Piven’s plan to overwhelm the system and the Weather Underground’s plan to take over the government. These people are simply the radicals that escaped arrest in the 60′s and 70′s. To find out how this all came about watch the documentary called -
“Agenda- Grinding America Down” a link to the trailer is here :
http://agendadocumentary.com/
Check. Now we’re getting somewhere.
Ken-what Obama and Ahoder have most in common is there COMMUNIST ideology. F/F is nothing new for Ahoder-Marc Rich/Flan pardons/ Elian Gonzalez/ NBP prosecutions dropped all fit in with marxist/communist ideology. So does Jeremiah Wright-The entire United “church” of Christ is full of Jeremiah Wright types. And dont forget-it was whites like SoreA$$, Axholerod, and Pfouffe who helped Obama get elected, and continue to do so to this day. All for ideological reasons.
Every time Obama has been asked about F&F in recent months, who authorized it etc., he defers to the Inspector General’s ongoing investigation, which would be Inspector General Cynthia A. Schnedar, apparently an Eric Holder confidante.
Cynthia seems to be dragging her proverbial feet, not to mention that she”…released secret audio tapes to of candid conversations from last March to …the U.S. attorney’s office in Phoenix before she had even reviewed them.” Among other things, those tapes indicated knowledge of the 3rd rifle found at the scene of Agent Terry’s death when all reports had claimed there were only two. Reportedly, “the third rifle would have led to an FBI informant.”
That US attorney in Arizona, another Obama administration confidante, Dennis Burke resigned August 31. Another guy implicated in Gunwalker who recently resigned is Asst. AG for the DOJ’s criminal division, Lanny Breuer.
Are the cockroaches scattering ?
Is the “investigator” Barack Obama keeps referencing, in his own and Eric’s defense, as above board and forthcoming as Secretary Chu & Steven Spinner in the Solyndra deal ?
Your gubbmint at work. Stay tuned.
Dont forget WHO was dragging out all the “inverstigations” into Clinton-One Eric the Red Holder.
@K.B. This has been considered and rejected. Incompetent and stupid is when Daddy Bush told the Iraqis to ‘rise up’ and throw Saddam out. When they did Daddy Bush was elsewhere. Thousand lost their lives because Daddy didn’t know anybody would take him serously. That was incompetent and stupid. This is criminal. Malace with forethought. It wasn’t stupid. This was planned. There was an agenda to be brought forth and it didn’t matter that there would be collateral damage.
You see, with this worldview, “The ends, justify the means”. Does that ring a bell?
“Malace”
Malice, sweet pea. malice aforethought
Here we go, the “Bush did it” thing & arguing respective levels of stupidity.
Holder et al. just tried out that time honored tradition by referencing Wide Receiver and it flew about as far as my pet goat.
No tanstaafl. Daddy Bush is not and did not do what The Obama is doing. DB along with Collen Powell went on TV and said to the people of Southern Iraq, after we controled the entire country, ‘go and rise up and take your country back.’ When the people did then Saddam sent helo gunships. DB and Gen. Powell said ‘they were not included in the ‘No Fly Zone’ agreement. That was STUPID and that was INCOMPETENT and it cost the Southern Iraqis about 200,000 people. Daddy Bush didn’t want or intend to have that happen but when it did he and Powell just said, “Oh well”. This is what Daddy did.
The Obama and Holder knew exactly what they were doing and are caught in their own device.
There is no relevance or connection between anything that happened under “Daddy Bush” and Collen (sic) Powell and malfeasance today under Barack Obama and his mentally challenged Attorney General.
If things continue to worsen for Eric Holder as next year’s election approaches (and all indications are that they will), I expect Barack will throw Eric under the bus just as he eventually threw his bombastic preacher JWright under the bus. After swearing he never would. Or could.
But, heck, whaddya expect from a guy who threw his own grandma under the bus, one of the few people who actually stood by him as he was growing up.
He characterized her as some “typical white person”.
Is`nt that Coleen not Colon?
There is no way Holder didn’t know about an operation of this magnitude. He may have designated an underling to read the email updates, but that would only be so that he would have plausible deniability if the operation was exposed to the public.
What has happened in regards to F&F is a criminal enterprise to arm the cartels, run by the government. It seems to me that if more gun control laws are needed, they should be applied to the government, as they are the irresponsible party, not citizen gun owners.
could not sit idly by as a Majority Member of the House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform suggests, as happened this week, that law enforcement and government employees who dedicate their lives to protecting our citizens be considered “accessories to murder.” However he was able to bring up charges against Navy seals , CIA operatives and anything that might have a tint of anti liberal views .
I think the accessories to murder were the individuals who orchestrated all the Gunwalker operations.
And that the field agents had a lot of questions and concerns but followed orders.
It was a field agent (ATF?) that broke the story wide open after Agent Terry’s death.
Hello Everyone! Here is something I was given a tip to today that is definitely worth watching on YouTube! Its part of a CSPAN clip from Mar.24,09 of Deputy A.G.David Ogden on the launching of Obamas and Holders operation Gunrunner and its being financed with 10 million Stimulus dollars! Google up YouTube and the title is, Obama orders the launching of Fast and Furious. I think this as one heck of a Kodak moment!
wayne tallaksen – That suggests that Obama is involved as well. The circumstantial evidence suggests that is the case because FnF goes across Departments. I’ll search for the video. Next time, though, supply a link. Thanks.
Hmm. Can’t find it.
Here is the link. As they say, it’s the smoking gun. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tZj6XMRzIB4
If Holder and O say they don’t know about this, they are, to put it politely, dissembling.
Jack in Silver Spring! Sorry with the link up thing I am a little new at this. But to the point do you think DHS Napoilitano was in in on this? And dont forget also our esteemed SOS Hillary Clinton was all on board with the U.N. gun ban also. Is that a coincidence also?
wayn tallaksen – I read on PJM or somewhere else that Napolitano is involved in this as well (which is what suggeted to me O’s involvement – because it’s across departments). I am less certain about Hillary Clinton’s involvement. BTW – Tremendous discovery. I’ve put the link on NRO and Breitbart and gave you the h/t.
Wayne – sorry I misspelled your first name.
What a little dweeb that Asst. AG is…
ATF doubling agents in Mexico “…specifically to facilitate gun tracing activity which targets the illegal weapons and their sources in the United States.”
Which sources WERE INTENTIONALLY set up by the ATF under the direction of the justice dept.
Any gun tracing, once the weapons had walked, was reportedly somewhere between negligible and nil.
Sorry, as much as I believe that this operation would not have ever been pursued without a blessing from Boobily, I think this You Tube video was edited and poorly so. Watch carefully the parts where the speaker indicates the gunrunning program name and then watch the whole thing over with a more critical eye. My guess is someone(probably a member of the Obama campaign) has dumped this video and are just hoping we will pick up on it and make a big deal about it so that they can blame Republicans for attempting to manufacture evidence against Obama. Media piles on and presto, no more Fast and Furious scandal. Politics is war, people. In wartime, your enemy will do anything to take your eyes off of the ball.
Jim Baker – This supposedly was done by C-Span (it says C-Span 2 at the bottom of the screen, I forget if it’s right or left). 1: We can check with C-Span and confirm whether it is real or a forgery. 2: I would think if it were a forgery, that C-Span would be complaining mighty loudily at this point. C-Span’s silence up to now suggests, it is real.
THANK YOU !
THIS IS the smoking gun indeed , the guy in the video DOES mention the operation GUN RUNNER.
Obama can pardon Holder but he cannot pardon himself.
Watch, Folks, this is going to become dangerous, they know there are long prison terms in their future, they have nothing to lose now.
Very funny, Marx says at the end of the communist Manifesto that the proletarians have nothing to lose but their chains.
He would have not imagined into WHAT that sentence could morph in the last disciples of his cult !!!!
Eric Holder is a lawyer. Lawyers are taught that if you are a witness and lie it is called perjury, but if you are a lawyer and lie it is called creating reasonable doubt.
Just imagine when Mr. Holder and the other high ups in the Obama/ Holder Justice Department are infront of the House committee investigating Operation Fast and Furious. I won’t be surprised if one or more sates the following. “I refuse to answer that question pursuant to my rights under the Fifth Amendment of US Constitution.”
On the other hand I don’t thing the Fifth Amendment to the US Constitution will go to far when Mexico starts their prosecution.
Darrell Issa better put on his flak jacket. The Bush Did it First defense just blew up in Holders Face so the next attack will be on Rep. Issa. Left Wing Blogs and Wikipedia paint an ugly picture of the Congressman’s rise to fame. No matter that half is rumor and the other innuendo. Holder is a cornered rat and will act accordingly.
Only 15 more months ’til we remove the Marxist in the Oval Office & cancel “Amateur Hour” at the White House.
NOBAMA 2012
“Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink.” P.J.O’Rourke
This is the begginging of the end for Obama and his Corrupt administration.
Blood is in the water and the sharks are circling…
Tick, tock, tiok, tock…
http://www.commieblaster.com/index.html
Where exactly is it written that POTUS can NOT be arrested, tried and convicted for a crime such as murder or accessory to murder? If this were true, someone like Jack the Ripper or Baraq the Won could somehow fake his way into office and start killing off people left and right. I’m sure the Founding Fathers never intended for that to happen.
The time has come for congress to appoint a Special Persecutor! The more special the better.
I believe that only the US Marshals can arrest the President. Should that occur, the confrontation between the Secret Service and the US Marshals would certainly be interesting
Minor point of correction: your statement “enough weapons to arm a U.S. Army division” is enough of an exaggeration to be worthy of Al Gore. 2,000+ weapons is bad enough; let’s not fall into hyperbole like the Left uses.
A great series of articles, keep up the good work!
The 2000+ guns was from just one operation. The comment about arming an Army Division was, I believe originally stated as an Army Brigade, and was figuring in all the weapons from all the other operations that took their lead from F&F. Seems more and more of them are turning up every day.
One estimate of the guns involved was 20,000. We aren’t to the bottom of it yet.
I keep hearing Holder/Obama, Obama/Holder. What about Sec. of State Hillary Clinton? She and her globalist gun grabbers were surely in on this from day one. Don’t let her gang escape the net.
ARREST OBAMA FOR TREASON!
9. kjatexas comes very close, but, like many, takes a step too soon. It is crucial, in any felony study, to take small steps, which are certain. Much of the rhetoric, while perhaps true, throws up dust, some of which is correct, others are false. Crooked lawyers always cling to the wrong stuff, and stir up confusion, manufacture reasonable doubt. The trail must be made of solid concrete.
The AG counterattacked yesterday, saying that critics are dispiriting loyal hard working government workers. No doubt this is true. He omits that a murder of a US peace office was the direct result of some body under his authority. His letter states the reason he never knew of this disaster was that he does not read mail addressed to him. Others do that. This too is reasonable. I once got 18″ of mail, daily, and automatically disbursed it to responsible subordinates. Every boss does that. What Mr. Holden omits, perhaps purposefully, is the clear order that when any in coming mail threatens the integrity of the organization, to run it into my office. We now know that no one knocked on his door, after hours, and confided that criminal behavior was afoot. People knew; this was their job. Thus no one trusted the big boss, or he made it clear that he did not want to know. It does not matter, either policy destroys an organization.
His options narrow by the day. When some Majority Member of the House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform suggests that some government employee(s) are accessories to murder, and this is repeated by the local sheriff, the hunt is on. Some body is looking at serious time.
Fast & Furious is unraveling like a $2 shirt.
The secret audio tapes made of AFT Agent Hope MacAllister by the owner of the Lone Wolf Trading Company make it pretty clear to me that she thought Holder was planning to mislead Congress on Operation Fast and Furious. I don’t know what her role was, but I’d like to see her called to testify before the House Judiciary Committee.
Eric Holder has the classic problem of the question: Which is worse, that he knew about”Fast and Furious” (a.k.a. Gunwalker) or that he did not know what his department was doing?
Either way, he should find another way to make a living, since he has lost the confidence of the American people that he can do his current job.
One could say he never had that confidence, given his nefarious background and history.
weeping canine. the 20,000 +/- guns may be the grand total of all the guns moved in all these 10 op’s in 5 states, and at least 2 foreign countries? i believe folks are saying when you add them all up it could arm a US Army Division? maybe i’m wrong, but i have been reading this elsewhere as well.
another point: i wonder if all the murders going on around the U.S. (and other countries) are being studied (ballistics) by csi units with these 2k-20k guns in mind? there could be a LOT more bodies out there, who knows? i will bet there are those in the gov. that would cover such finding up, if they exist.
nah, i’m sure the free press is all over this. msnbc is probably all over this Breaking NEWS! cbs, abc, cnn are probably running with this ball as we speak.
thought ya’ll could use a little humor.
Here is something we can all do, sign the petition:
http://www.sheriffpaul.com/petition/
This sentence is very telling, especially with respect to other USG agencies which may have been involved:
“Sharyl Attkisson released documents that showed then-Deputy Attorney General Gary Grindler, the second-highest ranking official in Justice, received a detailed briefing on the operation and made hand-written notes in the margins.”
These memos are usually prepared prior to or as a report on a “Deputies Level” meeting among the number two officers in various Cabinet level agencies. For example, if a committee was made-up of folks from Justice, Treasury, State, and Homeland Security, and that committee decided to recommend an important policy or action decision, a committee composed of the Deputy Secretaries ["Deputies Level"] of each Department to study the proposal and make a final recommendation to their bosses and the President would normally be convened. They would approve or kill the idea and report up the chain of command. If it can be shown that a Deputies Level meeting was convened on “Fast and Furious” there is no way Holder, Napolitano, Geitner, or Clinton can claim ignorance.
my best friend’s mom makes $77 an hour on the computer. She has been out of job for 9 months but last month her check was $7487 just working on the computer for a few hours. Read about it here LazyCash4.com
Doing what? Trafficing porn? Or helping criminals scam money with pen us enlargement pills?
This is SPAM!
Not since the Civil War has this nation been closer to Civil War. Obama has turned loose his dogs and they are demonstrating across the nation. The economy, the jobs situation, and a host of other ills are being blamed on big business and banks, hence Republicans. What is lost is the first Stimulus package which included a bailout of these same banks and “Big Business” car companies. The banks were major contributers to the Obama election fund. The car companies really meant saving the unions and their power. What is Obama offering now? Another stimulus package and again blaming the Republicans. Gun Walker is only a symptom not the illness itself. The real problem will come when Obama steals the election. The two camps in this country are already divided. It would take only one spark and factions would turn on each other. Obamas intent is reelection at any cost. Tell me what you think if he succeeds.
Oscar_ I think all Heck will brake loose..we are one more Underhanded law or the breaking of a law from Civil War II..People are fed up with this little Lenin Poser Prez…we are in deep cau-cau…People are right at the edge..and if we make it to 2012 Elections, they will be under a Hugh Microscope…If things go south Look for THE False Flag Event..I say we are ready Bring it On!
At this point I think that too many Americans are a bunch of sheep. They are more interested in if their football team wins than the structure of their government. By the time they really catch on it will be too late. Let me cite a local example. We have a suburb of this city where I live that voted in a left wing government. The first thing they did was to cater to the gay/lesbian population to get elected. Then they made it easy for people to build many apartment buildings. Then came the new rules imposed on the apartment owners, they no longer control their own property. The tenants have rights now. If you need to evict one it takes six months. Heaven help you if you violate one of their rights, you will get sued with city aid. Since then they have brought in city owned low income housing which competes with the tax paying landlords, in fact is subsided by their own taxes. Between the gay vote, renters vote, and subsided renters, there is no chance of any sane government ever being elected. Hint, recently they made the de-clawing of cats illegal, made the sale of animal skin products illegal, and made the sale of wool garments illegal.
The recent hiring of leftist lawyers by the Voting Rights section of the DOJ, indicates to me that there is going to be a concerted effort by DOJ, to contest votes nationwide, in an attempt to steal the 2012 election.
Holder’s letter constitutes nonsworn testimony to Congress. It should be carefully parsed for every “fact” stated therein and he should be questioned extensively.
Eric Holder and the Obama administration have no credibility, but nobody elected to office have the testicles to do anything about their traitorous actions.
It’s time to start seriously considering what we’re going to do with these people come 2013. Republican presidential candidates have to be asked about this. What do they think so far? What will they do if the evidence points straight at Clinton, Holder, Napolitano, and Obama? I can name at least two candidates who will probably vote for “healing,” “forgiving,” and “putting the past behind us”: Perry and Romney.
Sadly while “Fast and Furious” should be the end of the Obamanauts they will be off the hook by mid-week. Occupy ______ will give the media something to mark time till they can develop a new narrative. This is not an accident.
The Democrats can’t just throw Comrade Obungle under the bus over this, because Hillary (as SecState) is probably involved up to her neck in Fast and Furious as well.
Bob Owens.
A heartfelt thanks to you for your dogged work on F/F.
Hilariously awful CNN article about F & F (at least if you’ve been following this, and are somewhat familiar with the facts of F & F):
http://www.cnn.com/2011/10/09/politics/fast-and-furious/
No mention of the alleged number of weapons; no discussion of what types of guns we’re talking about; no mention of Brian Terry & the estimated number of dead Mexicans. We also get multiple quotes from Holder from his letter, and his statement that “probably heard about Operation Fast and Furious for the first time over the past few weeks” from his testimony, but the language from the memos which folks are saying proves he’s a liar is, of course, nowhere to be found. CNN: YOU GUYS ARE COMPLETE AMATEURS.
Amateurs? I doubt it. I think they know exactly what they are doing. My thought is that they have got enough inquiries from viewers that they had to finally say something so they made it as innocent as they could. You notice they used the bit where Holder blamed the Republicans for trying to railroad him? They are slanting the story by omission. Give the sheeple Holder’s side while playing down the facts against him.
I try not to ascribe bad intentions without a lot of evidence, and many of the articles on CNN’s website are just awful, regardless of bias. Plus, it’s much easier to convince disillusioned Obama voters of how terrible of a President he is without talking about “liberal bias” or other phrases that the left has labeled as buzzwords that no one uses except for “extremists” like Rush Limbaugh. Far more effective to just point out the facts that are missing, the awfulness of the writing, and let people decide for themselves – the true believers aren’t going to change their minds no matter what, anyway. I did find it hilarious that, while all the stuff about Solyndra and F & F has been going on, CNN had a sub-header the other day that was “Mormonism Controversy”, with numerous articles about whatever that jackass pastor said about Mitt Romney being in a cult. Is that more newsworthy than Fast & Furious? Or anything, really? Now the sub header says “Middle East Unrest”, which earlier today was “Arab Unrest” – I guess maybe someone complained that “Arab” was racist?
Note how they categorized this story: “POLITICS.” It’s not under the “U.S.” tab, where you might place a story about an apparent criminal operation being carried out by the administration. Nope, just garden variety Democrat-bashing by those mean old Republicans once again. Politics!
The fact that Schnedar chose not to disclose this conflict of interest indicates possible collusion and corruption of the DOJ Inspector General’s Office.
The only aspect that could be in doubt is collusion.
We all must hammer this story in every blog and newspaper and media outlet. Because the Obama administration would sure love it if the MSM would keep reporting 24/7 on OWS so the attention is off Obama. Do not let this happen! Once the snow flies, OWS is finished until next spring. While they are gone we can help take down this criminal Holder.
I don’t believe that information currently released is even close to the whole story. Someone needs to look for government officials making profits from the gun and drug trade. I smell corruption and collaboration with the drug cartels.
Obama (& Holder) supplied, people died.
The point is that Holder sits at the head of these agencies. He is responsible, period. Whether he claims to be aware or not matters not. It was his employees. It happened on his watch. And criminal charges need to apply here. There are countless numbers of murdered people involved.
And for all the pandering to the illegal mexicans in this country, the democrats seem to care less about murdered mexican citizens. And you can rest assured that many illegals trying to cross into this country have been murdered by these weapons as well.
Muffingate and Cupcakes
Bureaucrats at the Department of Justice deny hosting conferences featuring cupcakes for which the department paid $16. apiece–not to mention $10. for cookies, coffee at a buck an ounce and snacks at $32. a head–even after its own Inspector General rebuked them for excessive spending and the DoJ agreed to monitor such expenditures more closely.
As per Obamian protocol, the DoJ recovered its fumble, then punted–to the previous administration contending most of the conferences in question took place under George W. Bush’s watch. In effect, Attorney General Eric Holder’s department said, We didn’t do it, Bush did it, but we won’t do it again.
With all the charges of racism, gun running, and lying that have been lodged against Holder, $16. muffins and $10. cookies, etc. are the least of his, and our, problems but, still, it must be confer an extraordinary sense of entitlement to be able to waste precious tax monies when the nation is gasping.
Closely related to what CBS dubbed “Muffingate” is the allegedly-racist Berkeley cupcakes scandal; both muffins and cupcakes are baked goods.
NPR, which technically stands for National Public Radio but could more accurately be described as Nationally-susidized Public Radicals, took great umbrage at last month’s demonstration of racism in action at the extreme University of California at Berkeley. NPR’s Michel Martin felt the campus Republicans were unoriginal, intellectually dishonest, willfully ignorant of what minorities have endured in the past, and should “man up.”
What Martin didn’t say was that this was Obamatime, payback time, so suck it up, honkies!
The Berkeley College Republicans–yes, there are a few sane kids out on the Left Coast–had hosted a “diversity bake sale,” which seems innocuous enough. However, it was the dastardly right wing pricing structure for the cupcakes that got NPR’s collective shorts in a wad.
The goodies were offered for sale to white students at $2. each, to Asian-Americans at $1.50, to hispanics for $1.00, to women for $1.25, to African-Americans for seventy five cents, and to Native Americans for a quarter, quite the bargain for the ladies, Latinos, blacks, and Indians, not so much for Asians and Caucasians.
Staged as a protest against legislation to establish race as a factor in admissions by the University of California, to judge college applicants not on their qualifications–or character content–but by the color of their skin, . . .
(Read more at http://www.genelalor.com/blog1/?p=5682.)
On my way out yesterday morning, FoxNews (Hemmer) was interviewing a man (sorry I was in a hurry) and asked “if it was possible that AG Holder had no knowledge of FnF and hadn’t read all those memos.”
The reply was one we all should use. He said: If we take that point of view, it’s even worse. It means that there was a large group of ROGUE ATF agents colluding with middle level managers at DoJ, FBI, HHS, ICE and other depts; all unknown to senior management, but funded to the tune of $10 million.
The interesting bit to consider is: what wast the motivation behind this massive operation? There appear to be only two plausible explanations. The Administration has scoffed at the notion that the whole purpose of Gunwalker was to discredit gun rights in the U.S. by arming dangerous criminals. However, what they don’t realize is, that’s the *charitable* explanation. The only other explanation, and it’s a lot less charitable, is: The Obama Administration has been compromised at a high level by the cartels.
Holder should have stuck to the monologue on race. Dangerously incompetent is the best that can be said of his tenure.
The administration is on it now. The investigation is code named Gunwaffler.
News Flash!
CNN is actually running the story as “breaking news” with ongoing commentary and interviews. I saw it on the tv while at lunch and my jaw nearly dropped in shock. They had “Felony Stupid” in quotes as the catch phrase.
And…and….for the past few weeks they have been covering the MJ Doctor negligent homicide/involuntary manslaughter case. I say this because all-the-while, the F&F stuff has been unfolding here and elsewhere.
So, the MSM has picked up on it. However, given their record, I’m pretty sure that the line-of-reasoning is to cover Holder and Obama..and make sure to out any racists in the ongoing investigation.
Glabal Marxists have no problem lying to those they see as the enemy. In the New Age, there is no morality, and Nationalist white American males who cling to their Bibles, and weapons are at the top of the list.
They are at the top of the list, because they believe in G-d given rights, not State given rights.
eoutyghovckx/#38; i think you are right. There is much material to offer in support, but to keep it simple for a PJM filter which disappears my comments prodigiously, there’s two PDFs linked at bottom of this article, detailing what Eric Holder would be defending if he hadn’t been made AG. Smell the similarities to F&F?
Another great category is the Holder/Marc Rich connection. Just lately Chapter 21 of the Miscreant’s Ball has been posted. The boys are naming names now.
It’s dense reading, but there are several short paras you’ll want to see. If you’re not familiar with the Deep Capture saga, just do a little search –it’s a strange phenom, owing to these strange times. But it is not wacko fringe stuff –it’s deadly serious. But look into it for yourself, don’t listen to me.
the civil war that is coming is the brick wall the country has no way of avoiding now. I don’t like what the right wing has done to this country, thinking that the same abuses wouldn’t get worse under a democrappic bastard, as they now have. virtually every dictatorial power the right wing thought was peechy keen under bush is now a huge crime under this fraud who’s destroying the nation at a faster rate under racial innoculation strictly.
when tshtf here, a lot of right wingers are going to buy a lot of farms and right next to them the left wing traitors who enabled them to do it in the first place.
it’s time to get it over with. let’s have our civil war. time to clear the air once and for all and put the cowardly jackbooted jerkoffs who cheerleaded the right wing fascism and the dictatorship under bush, and their enablers in the dino party, to bed. it’s bedtime for bonzo, sucka’s!
And how, pray-tell would you prefer the end of this “civil war” matriculate? I mean, what positive result would you like to see come about?
No more corporations?
No more greed?
No more education fees?
What, exactly?
You seem to know something the rest of us don’t so please, enlighten us, oh omniscient one.
–if a new civil war would equal the old one in lethality, say goodby to 7,000,000 folks –roughly, everybody in say, Virginia, or Massachusetts.
1860 census = 30,000,000, or a bit under a tenth of today. Death toll, as of 1865, 675,000.
So, seven million today.
Bill Ayers told FBI informant Larry Grathwol back in the 1970s that 25-30 MILLION would “need to be eliminated” for the “revolution” to succeed. Obviuosly thru history, communists have not blanched at the thought of mass murder. Niether should freedoms defenders.
If I had to go to war, YOUR type would be one of the first Id eliminate. Your stench ALONE makes you smell like a dirty commie pinko.
–you’d be eliminating your own side. Also, you smell to ME like just the sort of hot-head the other side is praying for. If war breaks out, i’m gonna assign you to KP, where you can’t go off half-cocked and hurt your own people.
Put Eric the Red Holder on a plane to Phoenix. 9 Arizona sheriffs have bound together to basically say they will charge Holder with accessary to murder in the death of agent Brian Terry. And they can do so-the county sheriff DOES have the authority constitutionally to do so-provided it is in there juristiction.