Gunwalker: Justice Dept. Violated U.S. Laws Beyond Those Being Investigated
As an aside: having spent many hours in discussions and negotiations over the exception in the Kingpin Act for authorized law enforcement and the intelligence community, I can assure the reader that the intent of this provision was not to allow for the transfer of thousands of semi-automatic weapons to cartel members. The intent of this portion of this particular Act is to allow for cash payments by U.S. law enforcement and intelligence agencies to confidential informants and intelligence sources within cartels to aid in their dismantlement, and not to facilitate the transfer of weapons used to murder hundreds of innocent civilians in Mexico and a U.S. Federal Border Agent.
As part of Congress’ ongoing investigation, as well as its constitutionally mandated oversight activities, it should be asked of Attorney General Holder if any such specific licenses were requested or granted by the Treasury Department. Additionally, Treasury Secretary Geithner should explain whether his Department has begun an investigation into these apparent violations of IEEPA and the Kingpin Act.
Interestingly, and of serious note — if Secretary Geithner finds that the laws and programs which his Department administers have been violated, Treasury procedures mandate that the matter be referred to Eric Holder’s Justice Department for enforcement!
Perhaps the appointment of a special prosecutor is necessary after all.
Well, there you have it. Expect any day now for Holder to place himself under arrest and to file charges against himself, not.
Exactly so.
Once Holder realizes he has violated this law, (probably after reading this article), you can be sure that he will arrange to have the required licenses, appropriately back dated, to cover his behind.
Gee the government broke the law who would ever believe they would be capable of doing that, especially this Marxist administration. Face it it’s been a long time since Washington cared about following the constitution let alone mere statutes.
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Thank you for your explanation Mr.Stinebower … intersesting that until now, absolutely nothing was mentions about the possibility of the violations you mention.
“….if Secretary Geithner finds that the laws and programs which his Department administers have been violated, Treasury procedures mandate that the matter be referred to Eric Holder’s Justice Department for enforcement!”
I see the humor in that … and also in the suggestion of appointing a special prosecutor … Heh! “Treasury procedures”?? – I bet the WH has that one covered too. I am sick and tired of this administration; “lawless” doesn’t even begin to describe it. Something is amiss when an entire administration dedicates itself to interpreting/revising and selectively applying our laws in pursuit of the almighty agenda of fairness; it strikes at the very heart of our nation and it feels dirty and looks ugly. For the sake of every singly person that lost their lives both here and in Mexico; I hope that justice comes to those that perpetrated this awful abuse of power.
What’s concerns me more, … is what this wanton abandonment, twisting and perversion of law will allow a unified Government to perpetrate, be it Democrat party led OR Republican party lead against an increasingly less free American people.
Bingo.
All partisans need to remember that the law cuts both ways – it can’t suddenly be okay to do normally unsavory things just because ‘your guy’ is in office. Someone else can and will use the new cuts in the law to conduct their own scandals, even assuming if the one who enacted those changes did it for good purposes.
I sincerely hope this helps power a push for accountability across all levels of government that can be supported across political ideologies. This country badly needs it.
So why aren’t the Repugs ( both House and Senate) rising up enmasse and screaming from the rooftops about all this law-breaking?Instead of ripping each other a new one, why aren’t all the Repug presidential candidates making hay of all this crap? Inquiring minds want to know. . . .
The Clinton administration perfected a technique of dismissing scandal by calling it all “old news”. Their MSM allies proceeded to then stop covering developments in the story.
I believe that the GOP is holding back to the point where they will always have a fresh scandal on tap to pick up from the previous one as soon as the MSM spin merchants succeed in putting the lid back on. When they’ve got X weeks to election and X weeks of scandal it’s going to be a constant parade, one after the other of serious illegalities. Why pop off early and give the Democrats a chance to get their stories straight and designate safe scapegoats?
An Audit of former and current DEA, FBI, NSA, CIA, ATF agents will reveal hundreds of millions held in offshore accounts and holdings. These assets were derived from bribes, graft, blackmail to facilitate shipment and sales of Drugs, transport and sales of weapons, money laundering, and other illegal activities the last few decades.
Fast and furious is a small potato in the grand scheme of what US government have been doing the last few decades ; dozens of US agents murdered, hundreds of Billions laundered through US banks and Commodity exchanges…all to maintain Illegal Drug trade and resulting Flow of Dollars through US banking system.
The Hypocrisy within US government is only surpassed by that of its citizens.
Strange – having worked decades for some of those organizations, I must have missed at least one of the meetings where the ‘audits’ and ‘grand schemes’ were discussed. I guess I also missed agency tutorials on how to amass millions of dollars from drug trade, arms dealing, money laundering, etc. Dumb a## me!
Walt, you might want to consider that you weren’t invited to these meetings or conferences simply because you did the job the way it was/is supposed to be done, and that represents being too honest for the crooks to want to try to convert. Now, I’m not saying all those mentioned agencies were totally crooked, but I’d lay odds that there were enough crooks in each agency then, and now, to warrant an investigation of every darn government agency that exists!!
Someone’s going to have to explain to this simple soul why on the one hand it’s terrible for government agencies to arm drug cartels in an effort to drum up support for gutting the second amendment (I get that part) but it’s okay for the congress to pass thousands of essentially secret laws (laws which no person could reasonably know about or understand), which if unknowingly violated, result in “stiff penalties, both criminal and civil, and potentially totaling decades in prison and tens of millions of dollars in fines.” We all know that few if any government officials will ever pay even a token price for the gunwalker fiasco, yet hundreds of innocent citizens are convicted of felonies each year. If there was ever a reason to cut government down to size…
you just stated the exact questions on my mind too.
The question to ask about this administration is not what laws have they broken, but have they complied with any laws at all?
Considering that they don’t even comply with court orders, complying with existing law seems irrelevant to them.
There’s something about all this, in your face corruption, that reminds me of the post Katrina calamity.
Loading the lifeboats before the ship goes down, rushing about and grabbing anything not bolted down.
“Don’t worry about the horses being blind! Just load the wagon!”
Busy little bureaucrats bumping into each others bureaus. Playing shell games with official documents, dismissing and stalling inquiries and finally pointing fingers at the press and each other.
I suppose they’ll blame FEMA next.
Are the Drug Cartels classed as Terrorist organizations ?
If so, then all those giving aid can be taken away without trial
and held in a secret location until the war against drugs is won.
If that were the case Sarah Palin would have vanished long ago! After all, being consevative and a TEA Party supporter shae is obviously a terrorist. Should we be giving Obumer such ideas?
You’re too late, they already passed a law to do just that, this week.
I would like to see PJMedia do an analysis of the National Defense Authorization Act’s section that seems to allow the government to imprison US citizens, on an accusation of terrorism, indefinitely and without charges. One section says that doesn’t apply to American citizens, and the next leaves that open. To me, this is clearly unconstitutional when applied to US citizens on US soil. It seems to me that the FBI would be the appropriate agency to arrest American traitors acting on US soil, and then charging them, which would allow for a trial. Any Americans captured on the battlefield outside the US would fall under the authority of the military.
McCain seems to have lost his marbles. I heard his explanation of why these statutes were acceptable and found it seriously wanting. What with him first trying to limit political free speech via his campaign finance reform law, and now this attempt to deny US citizens right to a trial, I have to question his commitment to the oath he took to support and defend the Constitution. His previous military service doesn’t excuse him from his current stance.
Do we have a Constitution, or don’t we?
I read the text. You have it wrong, possibly because the news articles, and Rand Paul were wrong. The authors said that this section of the bill deals only with people who are not US citizens or legal residents.
http://lgraham.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=PressRoom.PressReleases&ContentRecord_id=acfbc0da-802a-23ad-401d-1f0786b73680&Region_id=&Issue_id=
Sen. Graham is correct.
Here’s a searchable copy of the bill
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/F?c112:2:./temp/~c112ihZWHC:e548990:
You are interested in subtitle D – Detainee Matters
Section 1031 contains a recitation of the authority governing this subtitle. It is modified by Section 1032(b)(1) and (2).
Section 1032(b) (1) specifically states that this subtitle does NOT apply to American citizens.
I don’t know whether people keep picking up on legitimate questions that were raised and addressed already, or they just don’t know how to read legislation.
That’s why I asked PJMedia to run an analysis of those sections in question, because I do not understand them, even after reading the bill. Language above the section that excludes US citizens, does not exclude US citizens from arrest and indefinite detainment by the military.
While I am all in favor of dealing with American traitors, it seems to me that any American citizen involved in terrorism on US soil, should be dealt with by the FBI, arrested, charged, tried, and then shot if found guilty. By no means should the US military be involved in same on US soil, except in the case of a catastrophic event.
Americans engaged in terrorism overseas, in zones where US forces are engaged in combat operation, should be dealt with by the military.
Terrorist Americans, overseas where US forces are not engaged in combat operations, should be dealt with by the CIA, under the legal guidelines they operate under overseas.
AND, it’s entirely up to obama to decide who is a terrorist and what is determined as terrorist actions.
And why would anyone in their right mind give THIS President that kind of power.
Plus, there are enough provisions written into this law, that allow for waivers, that there is plenty of wiggle room for the government to do whatever it wants.
We have seen in the past, that the government always pushes the edges of the envelope, and we can certainly see them doing so in this instance.
The names of past abuses of power are well known: Fast & Furious, Waco, Ruby Ridge.
“or they just don’t know how to read legislation”
You assume the ‘don’t know how to’…
Problem is that they don’t read the legislation at all. Kjatexas wants PJMedia to do an analysis; folks just rely on the media for info.
Using the internet I read all the related documentation from 4 different fed agencies in less than 45 minutes, on 2 consecutive days. I’m no rocket scientist either.
Persons who commit acts of terrorism against the US whether citizen or foreign become terrorists not combatants and are not subject to American civil or criminal laws, or even the Geneva Convention. They are not actors on the battlefield, they are terrorists. This is not new.
Sorry Larry, but it is new. The Oklahoma city bombers were arrested, tried, convicted, and punished by the Feds. The new regimen of indefinite military detainment, started with the dirty bomb plotter Jose Padilla. Now Congress is codifying that approach. I don’t think it’s a good idea to be circumventing Posse Comitatus. Especially with recent history of governmental excess.
Ol’ Cornie Vanderbilt, back in the Gilded Age, puts it just right: “The law! The law! To hell with the law! Ain’t I got the power?”
What was it the left’s favorite Legal and Scientific Philosopher said? “No controlling legal authority…”
One of the few scandals where the cover-up is not, in fact, worse than the crime.
The Kingpin Act may have been violated, but the Kingpin Act is trumped by the Kingfish Act.
Since the “Fast & Furious” actions are Acts that benefit the Kingfish, there is nothing to see here.
Pricless!
Er, I mean “priceless.”
You wuz right the first time.
Lol…..probably not many of us remember Amos and Andy.
The other “Kingfish” was Gov. Huey Long of Louisiana, a contemporary and oftime rival of FDR. Some of the older folk here that were actually required to take US History might be familiar with him.
SIMPLY PUT , A.T. HOLDER IS A SYCOPHANT TO PRES. OBAMA , JUST AS HE WAS A SYCOPHANT TO PRES. CLINTON ……WHY IS HOLDER STILL THE A.T. FOLKS …..HUH , WHY ????
#15 Hit the nail on the proverbial head. We now have a two tiered legal system in this country: one for the liberal, leftwing, black Obamanites, and the other for the rest of us. No voter intimidation charges against the Black Panthers, aiding and abetting the sale of guns to Mexican cartel members, firing government investigators without the approval of congress, all speak to the lawlessness of this administration. The Rule of Law means nothing to these people.
An AP hack Named Charles Babington began a straight news piece on the matter with this sentence: “Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney is calling on President Barack Obama’s attorney general to resign because of the flawed law enforcement initiative aimed at dismantling major arms trafficking networks on the Southwest border.”
That’s right, folks–”a flawed law enforcement initiative.” I’m used to the AP’s distortions and omissions, but this takes the cake. Babington knows better and he doesn’t appear to care. He is insulting his readers. I’ve said it elsewhere: Babington is a disgrace to his profession.
So what will be done about it? NOTHING! You have fast and furious and the new stories coming out about money laundering and what will be done? NOTHING! No one cares, no one will do anything to prosecute the offenders, we saw that with Iran-Contra. It’s all much to do about nothing. Gimme a break…You had the Bush dynasty running arms and drugs, the Clinton crew running drugs and nothing was done. Nothing will be done in this case. Locally a guy gets caught with a piece of crack and a pipe and his butt is in the slammer under $8,000 bond, a guy gets caught with less than an ounce of pot and he’s in the slammer under $5,000 bond, job chances ruined and keeping the lawyer racket going…the war on drugs is only a local occurrence and only effects the guy sitting on his porch smokin a doob…pathetic really.
There we have it-all blamed on President Bush. Why didn’t i think of that? Probably Oliver North’s doing.
No not all blamed on Bush..just a past example of a blatant violation of the law and nothing being done. You people that put a Republican on a pedestal simply because he’s a Republican amaze me.
In addition…The United Nations announced that the net worth of the illegal export of opium from Afghanistan reached to $2.8 billion in 2009. How in the hell did it get out of Afghanistan…we’re the only ones controlling the airspace and last I heard the only planes over there were ours and they’re military….war on drugs…HA!
bpete1969 No, we do the bidding of the Afgan government and as long as the Karzai brothers are in power the opium trade will flourish; one runs the government (the muscle) one runs the banking system, and the other runs the opium trade. They use the threat of the US spraying the fields of indepentent “farmers” to corner the market and maintain complete controll.
Hey – an idea!
Lets do up a list of the ‘bad but not so bad’ – I mean names of the hand maidens to the Geithners and the Himpton Holders and the folks that hold the saucers for the FBI and ATF cup carriers – somewhere in this list of characters must be a few with families and a sound moral structure – who harbor the same concerns about where we are going as a nation as so many of us who subscribe to PJMedia.
I suppose appealing to these page turners would fall on covered ears – but since I have always been in favor of water boarding and strongly suggest that a program making people disappear into my tobacco barn would be a just thing – we would have a new meaning to the phrase ‘transparency’!
I jest – or do I?
Or do we just keep talking about the Communists among us!!!!!
Hey – an idea!
Lets do up a list of the ‘bad but not so bad’ – I mean names of the hand maidens to the Geitners and the Himpton Holders and the folks that hold the saucers for the FBI and ATF cup carriers – somewhere in this list of characters must be a few with families and a sound moral structure – who harbor the same concerns about where we are going as a nation as so many of us who subscribe to PJMedia.
I suppose appealing to these page turners would fall on covered ears – but since I have always been in favor of water boarding and strongly suggest that a program making people disappear into my tobacco barn would be a just thing – we would have a new meaning to the phrase ‘transparency’!
I jest – or do I?
Or do we just keep talking about the Communists among us!!!!!
Add to this, Where is the Secretary of State Hillary Clinton and the Directorate of Defense Trade Controls (DDTC)? They oversee the US International Traffic in Arms Regulations (ITAR).
When firearms were showing up in Mexico of US origin which had not been licensed for export by DDTC, why was there no investigation opened?
Why did the Secretary of State not investigate this blatant violation of the President’s exclusive conduct of foreign policy powers? Could it be that she already knew the export of the firearms was being conducted by federal agencies? Could it be the refusal to investigate the US entities and persons where the firearms originated for export violations was Administration-wide policy to avoid revealing Gunwalker?
I always wondered, and commented, why the DDTC couldn’t shut down the US origination points with their administrative and civil penalties, much less criminal charges, by simply showing the exporter knew or should have known the firearms were being sold to individuals intent on smuggling them to Mexico.
We have seen this before. It is worth recalling that Attorney General John Mitchell was found guilty, in 1975, of conspiracy, obstruction of justice, and perjury. He was sentenced to two and a half to eight years in prison. His base crime was his role in the Watergate break-in and cover-up. It did not involve the illegal delivery of thousands of weapons to know drug lords, the murder of a US peace officer, or the slaughter of hundreds of innocents. By comparison, the current alleged crime(s) are far worse.
There are several conflicting legal issues in the case. All federal prosecutions run through the Department of Justice, so it is impossible to prosecute yourself. History has proven that an independent prosecutor is an inherently flawed remedy. It is a band aid attempt to cure a problem beyond the scope of our Constitution, a criminal Executive Branch. But there is no statute of limitations on murder. Hence, a new Administration, Senate, and House would have full powers to clean house, indict, prosecute, and punish serious felonies.
Those of us, with gray hair, remember that John Michell’s boss, President Nixon resigned his Presidency in the face of certain impeachment, and removal from office, for Watergate. Today, the path to impeachment would not ripen before election day. But the issues will be debated in the campaign.
Nixon, Clinton, Obama: we must do better in selecting leaders, or cease to exist as a free nation.
Why don’t we let the Mexican authorities type up the indictment and extradite their butts to Mexico…hmmm sounds like a plan….
And when some communist or Islamist regime indicts President Bush, VP Cheney, and SecDef Rumsfeld, we’ll just hand them over too, right? When the enemy is in range, so are you!
I don’t remember the U.S declaring war on Mexico. I don’t remember the drug cartels declaring war against Mexico and the U.S. siding up as an ally. The current Dept. of Justice not only trash our laws but those of Mexico as well.
And thanks to the efforts of John McCain and his National Defense Authorization Act, we are now the enemy.
How could Holder have requested a waiver – he didn’t know about the operation.
My thoughts exactly. If there’s a waiver, it proves Holder et al knew about the op. If there’s no waiver, they’ve apparently (ahem) broken an important law.
Hmmmn, very interesting.
Once again: prosecute them all.
Ah, it’s a tangled web they weave. I presume they also violated Mexican national laws regarding gun running, and we do have an extradition treaty with Mexico; American presidential pardons do not apply to Mexico’s controlling legal authority. It would be ironic to see the Holder department denying extradition on the grounds of possible Mexican custodial civil rights violations regarding prison standards and practices.
I don’t understand why the the Mexican gov’t is not raising h*ll about this.
Makes me wonder if they are being paid off or threatened in some way.
Afterall hundreds of innocent people in their country were killed with those weapons. Weapons are still out there from F/F.
I wonder if the left is proud of the Obama Administartion for being one of the biggest gun suppliers to the drug cartel. Hope and change.
Maybe they’re not raising a ruckus because the Obama administration has told them that if they start complaining, the U.S will start enforcing immigration laws and kill Mexico’s biggest source of out side income ie: wages earned in the U.S. sent back home. The threat of kicking the illegals out would send a bunch of unemployed back home adding to Mexico’s problem.
I’m amazed they don’t have a continual revolution in MX. I know if I lived in that cesspool of corruption I’d be up in the hills with an AK, and not a US legal semi-automatic one. There are two kinds of people in MX; a small group of people with lots of money and lots of people who’ll never have any money as long as the people with money control everything.
“There are two kinds of people in MX; a small group of people with lots of money and lots of people who’ll never have any money as long as the people with money control everything.”
We’re becoming Mexico….
Mexicans are not Americans: why fight when you can run away?
Let’s call for a special prosecutor as soon as possible. The corrupt AG and the various minions involved in these crimes are hiding under rocks, hoping this will all fade away into the sunset. It will not.
When the Constitution doesn’t matter…it is axiomatic that the Kingpin law wouldn’t matter.
When you pass a monstrosity in “reconciliation”, behind closed doors and in a manner that nobody can read it or know what is in it…and the Constitution doesn’t matter…the Kingpin law is not going to matter.
When you bypass Congress to go to war in Libya, when you send drop a case of clear polling booth threats and intimidation, when you fill the DOJ with radical extremists, when you have the NLRB shut down due process, when you appoint czars to replace representative governance…the Kingpin law isn’t going to matter.
In a revolution, the suspension of laws, rules, regulations and their replacement by fiat and supreme ruler dictate…is not measured in liberties lost one by one.
The Fabian in the White House likes to soothe and calm the hijacked passengers.
http://dailycaller.com/2011/12/04/president-obamas-top-10-constitutional-violations/
I am continuously shocked that the Obama administration has gotten away with as much as it has.
Shocked by the weakness of a system that has, apparently, come to let so much power, so much capacity for unilateral dictates, reside in the Executive branch.
Obama’s envy of Chinese totalitarianism (“just do stuff, don’t need to consult nobody”) is no joke.
“I am continuously shocked that the Obama administration has gotten away with as much as it has.
Shocked by the weakness of a system that has, apparently, come to let so much power, so much capacity for unilateral dictates, reside in the Executive branch.”
Can you imagine such weakness occurring under a Republican administration? Can you even imagine it happening under a Dem administration headed up by a white POTUS? I’d be willing to bet your answer is doubtless “no.” Albeit having our first black POTUS is truly historic & shows a sign that ours is a country that is on its way to a postracial era, the fact that an obvious double standard with regard to the Obama administration has been in practice from day one is underway cannot be denied & should not be ignored. People in places of power are not exercising their muscle to fight back. Why not? Fear of being called “racist”? The only other thing I can think of is collusion, & that is just too hard to believe. Obama has committed impeachable offenses IMHO but no one has the courage to make it happen.
……make it (undertaking of impeachment proceedings) happen.
I agree Obama has profited from the reticence, even timidity of those in government who should be ripping him a new one, every single day and that race influences that reticence.
Same reason we don’t call Charlie Rangel or Maxine Waters or Jesse Jackson Jr. or Gregory Meeks or Franklin Raines or or…(fill in the blank) insane and/or totally corrupt.
If you watched Huckabee over the weekend, 3 states attorneys general (Florida, Pennsylvania & Oklahoma) questioned each republican candidate on the fairly obvious and deliberate attempts of this administration to trash Constitutional limitations on the power of the federal government and the Constitution in general.
Besides disarming the population, this current crowd in DC has no use for the 10th amendment, reserving all powers not specifically delegated to the federal government to the states or to the people.
“The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.”
…it is illegal for any U.S. entity or individual to aid, abet, or materially assist — or in the case of Operation Fast and Furious, to facilitate others to aid, abet, or materially assist — designated drug traffickers. There are no exceptions within IEEPA programs for unlicensed U.S. law enforcement or intelligence agency operations.
At the risk of sounding glib, the policy of this DOJ and this administration in general is to pick and choose which US laws it will enforce.
Additionally, Treasury Secretary Geithner should explain whether his Department has begun an investigation into these apparent violations of IEEPA and the Kingpin Act.
Not likely. Timmy is part of the cabal.
21 U.S.C. § 1904 (d) does have an except for authorized law enforcement or intelligence activities. If these weren’t authoirzed, they are in big trouble.
(d) Law enforcement and intelligence activities not affected
Nothing in this chapter prohibits or otherwise limits the
authorized law enforcement or intelligence activities of the United
States, or the law enforcement activities of any State or
subdivision thereof.
It’s curious how the Holder crowd reopened the enhanced interrogation legal authorizations and possible CIA agent violations of those transparent authorizations legal opinions and conditions, and the lawyers who made them, to further investigations for possible violations, but they spent the last year denying that any department lawyers knew or approved anything regarding an alleged illegal gun running operation to Mexico that did not happen. If memory serves me right, the special prosecutor law regarding presidents expired on a bipartisan basis. That only leaves impeachment when it comes to presidents. Suppose Obama gets re-elected, could be interesting times.
Obama has not retracted or even amended his statement of “full confidence” in Eric Holder.
It should follow the trajectory of his refusal to disavow Reverend Wright, until, one day, Obama’s hand was forced and there went the ole Rev., under the bus.
Darrell Issa is a good guy, but holding out any idea that Holder will reform agencies is like spitting into the wind
I am shocked, shocked I tell you, that Chuck Schumer, Sarah Brady, Rosie O’Donnell and the Mayors against Illegal Guns have not banded together on the steps of the Capitol to call for a full and complete investigation in the Government deliberately providing weapons to crimilal syndicates. Why it is almost as if they put politics ahead of actually reducing crime!
Rosie packs…
(ohhhh, don’t go there)
Chuckie Schumer better pack, or else
Diane Feinstein “never met an insult to the 2nd amendment I didn’t love” packs, too.
Laws restricting guns are for peons, you see.
(over and out)
That’s because they consider their lives important. The rest of us rabble need to be content with being victims.
We are now getting reports that it isn’t just guns. The DOJ apparently also engaged in money laundering of cartel funds. It seems that would also be illegal and a violation of this particular law.
The comments indicate to me that Americans are skeptical that those in the Obama administration will obey or enforce the laws, be they state, federal or local.
The significance of this is huge.
It suggests we live in a country of men, not laws. Which leaves me unsurprised when I read about mobs doing all kinds of illegal things with impunity, from going into 7/11 stores and robbing them en masse, to Barack and Eric flaunting any law they disagree with or simply don’t feel like obeying.
No wonder people don’t feel protected by the law anymore. No wonder gun and ammo sales are shooting through the roof.
Another four years of Obama and this nation will be unrecognizable to anyone who died in 2009 and magically came back.
One more thing, to give my politically correct neighbors a chance to fire a volley of racist charges at me, I’m reminded of the roaming bands of blacks attacking whites willy-nilly, especially outside public events like the Wisconsin State Fair.
Like a speeding car you don’t see in the rear view until it passes you by, conservative radio and Fox News won’t report any of what I’m saying until all the damage has been done. Political correctness has seeped so deep into this nation it’s virtually impossible for people except lone voices in the right to say what they deep down really believe. I love Victor Hanson, but, in all candor, he wouldn’t touch these subjects with a three thousand foot pole. Even to refute my view.
Obama doesn’t have to outlaw freedom of speech. Political correctness has done it for him.
Which leaves me unsurprised when I read about mobs doing all kinds of illegal things with impunity, from going into 7/11 stores and robbing them en masse…
In various “flash mob” reports, it is rarely pointed out that the people taking part are, almost invariably, of one race.
There’s your 800 pound gorilla in the room.
Like the rationale he offered the Occupiers and in the interests of promoting class warfare & racism, Obama would probably like to say that it’s natural that those poor kids would need to be trashing convenience stores in large, aggressive groups, stealing snacks & drinks, given that there is so much inequality and unfairness in America, unfairness he will set aright through “redistribution”.
Those poor lawless ruffians coordinate time & place through Facebook or texting on their hand helds.
I think Shelby Steele is among those who articulate the best just how white guilt accounts for what appears to be the unspoken “deal” between whites & blacks. Don’t talk trash about my homies & I won’t call you a racist. Really does go a long way towards shutting people up.
I arrived at my new business in downtown Atlanta as a good little college-educated liberal Democrat in ’72, or at least as close to a liberal as you got growing up in the rural South. A few months of having my wife addressed as, “Hey, white bitch” as she walked to the bank, of constantly fending off shoplifters, often using “flash mob” tactics before that phrase became current and they communicated with cellphones, of constantly having a pistol on my person or close at hand caused me to begin to question some of the things my teachers and professors had taught me. When Maynard Jackson became Atlanta’s first Black mayor he immediately made good on his promise to abolish the Downtown Foot Patrol of the then mostly White Atlanta Police Dep’t. One of the “kingpins” of the Downtown prostitution, drugs, and theiving operations was actually a pretty good customer and to a point I could ignore the fact that people who worked for him and I were practically at war over their attempts to remove stuff from my shelves and racks and my trying to keep my stuff. He remarked to me shortly after Jackson abolished the Foot Patrol, “Now y’all won’t be able to put us in jail no more.” I didn’t really realize how right he was. Soon, if we saw a cop at all they were “investigating” a complaint that I or some other merchant in the area had brandished a weapon or had threatened someone. I wouldn’t think of my wife making the run to the bank anymore and I’d have rather done it with no pants than no pistol. Between the Arab Oil Embargo and crime making Downtown Atlanta uninhabitable, I got what little I could for the business and took off “North to the Future.” The only times my shadow has darkened Atlanta since is however long it took to get my rental car at the airport and get to I-75 South, except I did drive up from the civilized part of Georgia to take my nephew to a Braves game since he’d never seen one and drove up a little early one time so I could take my wife to the Hyatt Regency so she could sit in the revolving lounge, from which you now only see taller surrounding buildings, and see where Jimmy Buffet wrote “Let’s Get Drunk and Screw.” And what was tragic, the bartender didn’t even know the story.
A recent poll asked people if they believed that ours is still a country governed with the consent of the governed. The vast majority said “No.”
Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano, Deputy Secretary of State Jim Steinberg and Deputy Attorney General David Ogden held a news conference to announce the U.S.-Mexico Border Security Policy.
http://www.c-spanvideo.org/program/MexicoBor&start=800
If Eric Holder did not know about the gun running tasks of the ATF, why did he give this speech in 2009?Attorney General Eric Holder at the Mexico/United States Arms Trafficking Conference CUERNAVACA, MEXICO ~ Thursday, April 2, 2009
http://www.justice.gov/ag/speeches/2009/ag-speech-090402.html
Obama Administration Seals Court Records of Agent Brian Terry’s Murder.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=01fe9XIFEBU&feature=player_embedded
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Expect Obama to pardon all of these imbeciles.
If we want justice in 2013, we’ll have to extradite the lot of them to Mexico to stand trial.
It is our fine friends in “Law Enforcement” who are aiding and abetting this. But I’m sure that BPA and MarcH will be along shortly to explain that You’re just not smart enough to understand “the conduct of complex investigations and undercover operations.” May they rot in hell, along with every OTHER enabling “Law Enforcement” officer, for what they have done to this country.
Mark, you paint with too broad a brush. We only know about this at all because some people in law enforcement sacrificed their careers to be whistleblowers. Now I’m not one of those naive people that thinks the cops or the military will side with “The People” if they’re given an order to move on us, but most in law enforcement, or the military for that matter, are just doing their job and they don’t think much about what they’re being asked to do or who’s doing the asking. There’s really not a lot a difference between a cop, even a federal cop, and any other working stiff except s/he probably gets paid more and has more job security.
That said, the political level of law enforcement can be really rotten, really corrupt SOBs. It is pretty clear that the political level of the management of the FBI, DEA, BATFE, ICE etc. were pursuing with missionary zeal an operation to plant US gunstore weapons in Mexico to provoke popular support for, at minimum, re-institution of the “assault weapon ban.” Leftists NEVER forget a defeat and they never forgive the people who defeat them. The Left won’t rest until they outlaw scary black guns and this was their “under the radar” plot to make that possible. Comrade Obama had to have least known enough to give a tacit approval while maintaining plausible deniability of being directly involved. Holder and Clinton were almost certainly the approving officers and were thoroughly briefed though always orally; even Lefties aren’t stupid enough to write this stuff down – usually. There is unlikely to ever be any objective proof of either knowlege or approval at the Cabinet level or above and you’ll never move the useful idiots and wild-eyed moderates and independents with a circumstantial case against people this high up the food chain. The most that can be hoped for is to defeat the Communist SOBs in ’12 and perp walk the political level management whose direct reports carried out this operation.
“Too broad a brush”, you say? I think not. Some MORE of this country’s finest in action:
http://rhjunior.livejournal.com/529176.html
The stench is overwhelming.
It also appears that the Arms Export Control Act has also been violated. Furthermore, each and every individual gun that made it across the border is considered a separate violation. It IS possible to get exemptions but as best as I can discern those exemptions were never applied for or granted.
Folks, this MUST be a bigger deal in the press and in everybody’s life then it is now. Please start doing what I am – make sure you aggressively share these stories as they continue to build. Tell a friend, mention it to your family, share it on facebook, ANYTHING.
Justice Department is doing the classic ‘duck dodge and downplay’ and we -have- to call them on it. People have died as a result of this scandal and I think we can all agree it has gone far beyond the scope and impact of Watergate. Spread the word, and stay on this story through and beyond the holiday season. We owe it to the border patrol agents who died as well as the people in mexico who have been slain with these weapons.
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no, no, no. the exemptions to the Arms Export Control Act have been applied for, according to the law.
obama will be bringing them back with him from Hawaii once his vacation is over. well, actuall, they are pix of licenses, you racist ba$turds.
move along. nothing to see here.
Holder is not stupid, he just hates the Constitution, and Bill of Rights of America. He knew it was illegal, but he went ahead with it because it is part of the agenda to change America. Getting those weapons away from those extremist unwashed Americans who cling to their Bibles.
Next on the list, the Bibles.
Don’t expect to see Holder knocking on your door. He’s a pussy.
Eric Holder has a history of not having a clue. Anyone remember Marc Rich?
Dear, James. Don’t you get it? There are NO laws that Mr. Holder is disposed to uphold with regard to with Operation Fast & Furious, or any other top-drawer Obama-policy item.
So ….. Shoo! .. So ….. Begone!
Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain!
Secretary Holder was never cleared to receive this, uh, level of information. This is clearly for NYT eyes only. He, uh, is utterly in the dark about all this. American taxpayer-funded sales of boat-loads of advanced automatic arms to Mexican drug lords? Que? No. No, Secretary Holder has no knowledge of that. He was kept out of the JD loop on that. ATF involvement? No, sorry, Mr. Holder is unaware of any such, uh, thing. You must understand that Mr. Holder is a very, very busy man. He wished he could keep up with things like this, but, his duties are way too exhausting. Running the Department of Justice is no easy task.
In upstate New York, the anti gun assault has now opened fire on the second amendment in a new way.
It’s a sort of a sting operation that works like this.
As weapons are being brought into gun shows or gun auctions, a fed or state agent offers to buy the guns from the owners. This happens on the “look see” day; a day or so before the show or auction actually takes place.
As the guns are brought in the door, the fed or state agents pounce on wood-be sellers.
The agents offer the sellers money for the guns; then arrest the sellers for not doing required background checks.
At this point, it appears to be a fed directed state operation.
Whether it’s a legal operation or not is up in the air. But it’s probably entrapment; an example of Bamabits and Eric the terrible bastardizing the law for their corrupt agendas.
Or just another typical example of “Law Enforcement” at its “finest”. Who needs a steenkin’ oath to “…preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution…”? Surely not the Blue Wall…
Guys, I know this is a bit off topic, but I think it’s something all of you should embrace.
As you know, there are a number of conservative leaning blogs that try to drill down on issues like PJM does: American Thinker, Hugh Hewitt, Michelle Malkin and a bunch more.
Trouble is, the commenters in here are in my opinion, the only ones who’ve nailed Obama and Holder and the rest of the gang for what they really are, and what they really want.
The Obamunists don’t act of of ignorance, naivete, or miscalculations or misunderstanding. They know exactly what they want. They want to take away the second amendment and every other of the Bill of Rights along with it. They’re out to shred the Constitution. To bankrupt America both morally and financially. They’re as singularly motivated as the Japanese of WW2.
Leatherneck up above does a good job of saying it.
But listen to the language of American thinker regarding Obama’s intent to damage America till it’s beaten unmercifully into the image and likeness of Carmen Basilio.
AMERICAN THINKER, December 6.
“The solution offered by Obama and his fellow travelers on the left: not only more of the same, but an acceleration of the process, as they cannot get past their own narcissism and ignorance enough to ever admit failure. They would rather see the United States collapse and its people in poverty and despair as long as they are safely ensconced within the ruling class along with their crony capitalist and union allies. To that end, they are counting on manipulating the ignorance and emotions of the American people. The future of the country depends on whether that tactic continues to be successful.
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Folks, when American Thinker writes”they cannot get past their own narcissism and ignorance enough to ever admit failure” they’re got it all wrong. This isn’t about narcissism and ignorance. It’s about operating government with the intent to destroy this country. What Obama does he means to do.
Hugh Hewitt, Michelle Malkin and all the others except Rush Limbaugh are misreading Obama. Ignorant, miscalculating, misunderstanding he’s not. What he is, is out to corrupt this nation any way he can.
He’s out to destroy us. It’s a distinction that, if America fails to make, could take us four more years down the road to hell. Then not even Audie Murphy in his prime could save us.
I agree wholeheartedly that all of this (the entirety of Obama’s agendas) is deliberate; it troubles me that most on our side want to rest their laurels on the notion that all this is coming from narcissism or ignorance, but I cannot help but wonder if it isn’t a case of just not wanting to admit that all this is deliberate because of the race-card issue. No one out there is displaying a resolve to get this man out of office NOW instead of waiting for next year’s election. This administration has done things that literally dwarf the significance of Nixon’s Watergate mess, Reagan’s issues with the Contra affair & anything the Clintons did while in office. Why impeachment proceedings are not underway makes no sense to me unless there is the issue with the race card. It’s all very disgusting to my mind & all these people up there who can do something about this administration should hang their heads in utter shame for sitting on their hands.
It would be impossible to convict Holder, Obama, or any other Democrat miscreant before a Democrat controlled Senate and the Democrats and the media will simply trash the Republican controlled HOR. Few of the Republican leaders survived the Clinton impeachment debacle and some of the survivors were fundamentally changed by it, e.g., Sen. Graham. Those of you who deride him as a RINO these days might recall that he was a firebrand leader of the Clinton impeachment; once burned, twice shy.
Points well taken (as usual) Art. Do you think it would all be a different story if the Pubs had control of the Senate? If “no,” then what hope is there of “getting the country back on track” as it were?
We can now add Department of Justice to the list of oxymorons, slightly ahead of jumbo shrimp yet close behind deafening silence.
Thursday, D.C., House Judicary Committee: Eric Holder: Subject Fast and Furious
Key guy Lamar Smith (R) Texas, Committee Chair:
Call him, tell him to stand up like a real American: Do not accept Holder’s “I quit” or some deal go for the real evil higer up.
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