Gunwalker: Holder Got ‘At Least Five Weekly Memos’
The thrusting and parrying between Obama administration officials, increasingly inquisitive journalists, and congressional investigators is evolving at a dizzying pace, as the Gunwalker conspiracy continues to unravel — to the horror of the executive branch. They have been reduced to screaming hysterics and Chip Dilleresque appeals to “calm down” by one of the most dramatic scandals in American political history.
An attempt by the Obama administration — funneled through the Associated Press — to claim equivalence between a Bush-era cartel weapons interdiction program and the current administration’s plot to arm cartel members was debunked earlier today in a PJMedia exclusive. The Bush-era operation had no intention of allowing guns to walk, whereas Operation Fast and Furious and other alleged gunwalking programs were intentionally designed criminal enterprises.
Several congressmen and senators have voiced their concerns over the unfolding scandal in the past 24 hours. Senator Charles Grassley and House Oversight Committee Chairman Darrell Issa released a statement via Grassley’s office this morning, excoriating Attorney General Eric Holder’s apparent perjury in his sworn testimony in front of the Oversight Committee earlier this year.
The statement says in part:
Senator Chuck Grassley and Congressman Darrell Issa today said that Attorney General Eric Holder received at least five weekly memos beginning in July 2010, including four weeks in a row, describing the ill-advised strategy known as Operation Fast and Furious. The memos were to Holder from Michael Walther, the director of the National Drug Intelligence Center.
The Attorney General told Issa during a House Judiciary Committee in May 2011 that he had just learned of Fast and Furious a few weeks before. Yet, on January 31, in a previously scheduled meeting, Grassley personally handed him two letters about Fast and Furious. Grassley and Issa said they find it very troubling that Holder actually knew of Operation Fast and Furious much earlier, and in greater detail than he ever let on.
The memos specifically said that the straw buyers were “responsible for the purchase of 1500 firearms that were then supplied to Mexican drug trafficking cartels.”
“With the fairly detailed information that the Attorney General read, it seems the logical question for the Attorney General after reading in the memo would be ‘why haven’t we stopped them?’” Grassley said. “And if he didn’t ask the questions, why didn’t he or somebody in his office?”
The Daily Caller goes into more detail, noting:
Holder received briefing memos from National Drug Intelligence Center Director Michael Walther on July 5, July 12, July 19, July 26, and August 9.
The damning confirmation that Holder received weekly updates about the gunwalking operation which specifically informed him that 1,500 guns had been delivered to the Sinaloa cartel by that time, builds a stronger case that the attorney general committed perjury. Arizona Rep. Paul Gosar went even further in a statement yesterday, asserting that the Obama administration was guilty of far more:
Republican Rep. Paul Gosar of Arizona told The Daily Caller on Wednesday that Obama administration officials responsible for Operation Fast and Furious might be accessories to murder.
“We’re talking about consequences of criminal activity, where we actually allowed guns to walk into the hands of criminals, where our livelihoods are at risk,” Gosar said in a phone interview. “When you facilitate that and a murder or a felony occurs, you’re called an accessory. That means that there’s criminal activity.”
Texas Senator John Cornyn was just as adamant in a series of interviews, revealing that Fast and Furious weapons are confirmed to have been recovered at 11 separate crime scenes within the United States so far. Cornyn bluntly accused Attorney General Holder of leading a Department of Justice cover-up, a charge which emerging evidence seems to support. Cornyn wants Holder back under oath testifying in front of the Senate Judiciary Committee:
“It’s looking more and more like the typical Washington scenario where people get caught doing bad things, but actually the cover-up ends up being worse than the original offense,” Cornyn, who sits on the Senate Judiciary Committee, said on a conference call with reporters.
Newspaper op-eds, such as this one from Investor’s Business Daily, are beginning to call for Eric Holder’s criminal indictment.
LAS thinks it’s time for Roseanne Barr to step up and demand that Eric “My People” Holder is guillotined.
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This wouldn’t even be a story if Mr. Holder were white instead of a strong African-American. I doubt Mr. Holder would take even a fraction of the heat if he were a red man, like a Cherokee or a Apache, or maybe an Inuit. And he certainly wouldn’t take such heat if he were yellow, like those Japanese fellows or my neighbor, Korean guy that who’s wife is a Bolivian . But Mr. Holder is not white, nor red, nor yellow, nor a mixture of any such skin colors….he’s an African-American of African make-up and texture. And that’s all this is about, and that’s all it’s ever going to be about for you racist neocons…..skin color and racial make-up. That’s all that matters to you sick people, that’s all you’ll ever see in your blind, raging, impassioned, malt-liquor induced hate.
You’ve got to be kidding…
Do you not remember the prosecution of Scooter Libby for not recalling the same details as other administration members during his testimony. He was tried and convicted for far less then Holder has done.
Rulle don’t apply to Democrats… only evil conservatives go to jail, whether they deserve it or not (that’s how left/liberals feel about it, anyway).
The only person who deserved to go to jail on that one was the prosecutor for prosecuting an innocent man.
That racist crap is so old and tired.
You go ahead and keep believing all that Lumpy Earth. Remember Richard M Nixon? Yeah, that was all ‘cuz he was an African American, right? And Bill-Jeff, “I did not have sex with that woman, Miss Lewinski”. OK, so that was because he was an African American too, wasn’t it? I mean, since he was our first black president, I guess one would have to naturally draw that conclusion.
You live in a made-up-world in your head. And if you see everything through the prism of racism, then you are doomed to failure from the start. So get out of the way; There a millions of people of all races and creeds who want to get on with their lives. People like you have nothing in your own lives to be thankful for because, the way you see it, it’s all a game of “keep-away” from you.
Let me know how that works out for you in the end. Because when you die, you will be just as dead but will have left a wake of blame, anger, frustration, lack of accountability, lack of character, and whatever other negative traits you hold dear. Good for you.
The rest of us purposely avoid pricks like you.
Excuse me “SG-1″, but you’re the angry person here. I’ve posted that I recently returned from an unbelievable trip to Tibet, where I found a spirituality that you’ll never know, as long as you remain so angry. I know the meaning of “content”. And what is meant by a game of “keep-away”? My partner has provided me with, how shall I term it?, a very ample existence. I vacation in Martha’s Vineyard, if that gives you any understanding on the kind of field I play in, so to speak. Where do you vacation? In Seaside Heights, with Snooki and the rest of the unwashed masses? I for one am cultured enough, and enjoy enough free time, to have an understanding of the poor and disadvantaged. I know what, say, a young mulatto male of African and Chinese ancestry goes through every day in this racist culture, victim of angry white people like you SG-1. Go get some anger management.
You know, I don’t believe you’ve been to Tibet. I think you’re just taking a dump.
If you really knew “content” you wouldn’t be coming here espousing your opinion and offering counter arguments to what I said. Which, really weren’t counter arguments so much as they were advertisements on your trip to Tibet. (Been there, wasn’t that impressed) and your “quest” for enlightenment. What it actually sounds like is you got laid for the first time in your life and you’re confusing that with “contentment”.
Go play with a Yak.
Hmmm. He’s the “angry” one? You came on here spouting completely unfounded (in fact, irrational) accusations and he’s the angry one?
No wonder you think you found something of value in Tibet – you are not connected to reality.
Why is it that liberals see race in every issue? Could this be projection?
Yeah, I think it could.
“I vacation in Martha’s Vineyard, if that gives you any understanding on the kind of field I play in, so to speak. Where do you vacation?”
Monaco or Tahiti, generally. Unless I feel like slumming…then I go to Martha’s Vinyard. I find it invigorating to rub elbows with the little people every once in awhile.
she’s (lovearth) right. i’ve been to tibet too. tibet, alabama. real nice place. they drink gin and malt licker. got a real piece there too. ya’ll should try it.
you go girl, and don’t be listening when they talk about you getting one of them affirmative acion educations that ain’t worth squat. we all know women’s studies will someday be a real subject in skool.
lovelyearth YOU’R STILL STUPID,
Of all the blogs I visit, you earth, are the strangest, full of crap, diatribe spewing mouth I have heard. You funny!
WOW Martha’s Vineyard, I am impressed! Surely you know my neighbor’s son (he is 8) he often comes over and tells us about the great vacations they take. Unfortunately for my kids we go to national parks and historical sites so they can have an appreciation of history and understand what made this country great. Civil War sites and their importance to our growth as a nation and a people have been visited, but perhaps I am wrong maybe our next trip will be to the Hamptons. I am sure they will learn a lot from that. Thanks for the travel tips. Now my kids can learn the importance of money as oppose to the respect for their fellow man.
he is eight that is
9/10
Speaking of Nixon, is it just me or is Obama, in speech cadence and denial of responsibility, beginning to sound like Nixon.
LovelyEarth, you could have saved us and yourself a lot of time, by just saying. “Hi…I’m stupid”.
This is parody, stupid.
Yes, and it is hilarious. Lighten up people.
Geez, I get it. Now, naturally, I feel pretty stupid. But I’m laughing at myself as well. Fact is, my own foul mood clouded my ability to spot LE’s cleverness and so…for today…I’m just a knuckle-dragging mouth-breather. But trust me, if you had the two days I’ve just had, you’d all understand that I was pretty aggravated.
Now that I see the errors of my ways, I apologize to everyone who had to read my posts, roll their eyes and say…”lighten up on the caffeine, dude”. So I apologize to LE as well.
Fact is, maybe that “lefty speak” is TOO good. It had me fooled as purely authentic and trademarked.
But, I’m happy to let the joke be on me. I do have to admit that there are other sites where there are no clever posters like LE….and I’ve yet to get used to that. Usually, such posts come from a gen-yoo-eyn loose left wingnut.
Again, my humblest of apologies…may the body crabs of a thousand hippies infest my armpits.
*sigh*
I love LovelyEarth’s posts. They are hilarious and very clever. LovelyEarth has long been posting masterful lampoonings here at PJM. Ordinarily I would say that sarcasm or parody is lost on those who have to have it pointed out to them. In this case, I am surprised SG-1. You are usually sharper than that….take a deep breath and mix a stiff one.
I will keep an eye out for you LovelyEarth the next time I am kicking around Martha’s Vineyard.
@2 Lovely Earth and all the idiots reponding. How do you guys get to the bathroom in the morning? You can’t be this damned dumb; nobody who can turn on a computer and type, even with two fingers, is this damned dumb!
Lovely Earth is a very accomplished and very sarcastic writer who has lefty speak down well enough to at least fool all you flirting with the room temperature side of the IQ scale. Lighten up; one would think you’re Palin supporters for the lack of a sense of humor and inablility to detect sarcasm.
So your defense of LE is nothing more than: “But it’s so simple. All I have to do is divine from what I know of you: are you the sort of man who would put the poison into his own goblet or his enemy’s? Now, a clever man would put the poison into his own goblet, because he would know that only a great fool would reach for what he was given. I am not a great fool, so I can clearly not choose the wine in front of you. But you must have known I was not a great fool, you would have counted on it, so I can clearly not choose the wine in front of me.” The Princess Bride Vizzini vs. Westley
Brilliant! I see Odummer doing the same thing in Holder’s defense as well.
Art
“nobody who can…type, even with two fingers..”
Hey now, plenty of us have been typing perfecty well all our lives,
in the Approved “Oscar Madison” style of communication….
If…anyone remembers who HE was?
Yeah, back when you could “hang-up” on someone with VIGOR,
without breaking that that fragile cigarette case with buttons
you kids call a phone!
See-gars and typewriters!
And TWO FINGERS!
Malt liquor, eh? You know, I think you may have stumbled on something. Maybe malt liquor had something to do with Mr. Holder’s, uh, mishandling of Fast & Furious? Indeed, might I go one step further and suggest that Malt Liquor led Mr. Holder to CONCEIVE the Fast & Furious operation? I mean, clearly, the federal employee who came up with this POLICY ABORTION had to have been either sh*t-faced or clinically insane.
People have died you idiot. What do you want? Oh well, Obama and Holder are black so let them kill innocent people after all their ancestors were slaves and we need to cut them some slack? Can’t you see that these people are taking serious risks that should never be taken? They are setting back race relations decades!
LovelyEarth,
All you do is remind us that for liberals in general and Democrats in particular, lying – up to and including felony perjury – is one of the sacraments of the Church of Hate America First you all belong to. As was proven so comprehensively and undeniably during the impeachment of Bill Clinton.
And you just remind me that the vilest racist demagogue in public life today is a honored and catered-to member of the Democrat Party. Al Sharpton. Some of us remember Tywana Brawley, Steven Pagones, Crown Heights, and Fast Freddies.
Oh, stop showing off. We get it.
LE, your first sentence gave me the best laugh of the day! Thank you.
HAHA!!! I love it!! You, LE, have a talent for comedy that is often lost on the folks here. . . . The only thing you missed was somehow adding in ” transgendered former lesbian Samoan PETA members”. . . . I bet if you rewrote your screed , you could do it. Thanks for the humor. . . . we need it now more than ever.
lovelyearth. YOU ARE STUPID!!!
LOL! LE, you need to stop doing this. There are too many people who just cant spot sarcasm without a smiley face.
@LovelyEarth:
Is this the best you’ve got??
Richard Nixon was not black and he tried to cover up Watergate and he was ousted,so cut the racist crap and get ready to see how high this goes and who goes to jail.. no one will just like ruby ridge and Waco…
Just when the facts and guilt are the focus and race isn’t even in the minds of those who aren’t racists, a racist who obviously has no valid defense for these insane crimes and the AG’s brazen actions to cover up a botched ‘scheme’ with false strategic plans to trace the guns anywhere other than at crime scenes was bound to come out of the woodwork and distract with the race card. Well it’s a joker, so put it away and lose the antiquated desire to keep racism alive so you can use it and abuse it due to your own hatred and resentment of FBW’s ( Full Blooded Whites) Holder’s black? seriously, it’s not obvious, but I guess if you’re race based in thinking you know his roots back to where his white ones begin and end. If you think his non-white heritage has anything to do with his epic lack of morality and corrupt activities and crimes, you obviously have a negative opinion of that race. What a Pathetic, weak loser mentality. How sad. Your statements aren’t helping Holder’s image as the lowly scum he is, that’s for sure. You’re the reason many turn on their own race. Reverse racism, or affirmative racism.. Whatever, it’s sad and you’re doing a disservice to your own. FORCE HOLDER TO STEP DOWN, OR INVOKE A SPECIAL PROSECUTOR.
What a perfect display of a Classic Borderline Personality Disordered individual with pathological Narcissistic traits..”Lovely Earth”, you are superior to all with your elite vacations to Martha’s Vineyard, which, by the way, is a huge disappointment and not worth the wasted vacation time. The Kennedy wanna be’s go there because of it’s historic association with “Camelot”. Your priviledged lifestyle doesn’t take your mentality out of the trailer park or the skids, where, by the way, there are some solid decent people who don’t suffer from the vileness of your thinking disease.
Back to the real issue. Holder, black textures and all ( sure looks closer to white than black either irrelevant way ) is a corrupt criminal conspirator,who is stonewalling investigations, has lied to Congress while under Oath, and fast and furiously taken actions to COVER UP the Fiasco of the gunwalking scandal that has killed Border Agent Brian Terry and ICE Agent Jamie Zapata, along with many others, civilians and law enforcement on both sides of the border. INDISPUTABLY criminal, treasonous, and an outrage to all Americans of all races who have common sense and a loyalty to what’s right in this world.. The Far Left Lunacy is destroying this country and good people, black, white, yellow, red, and any combination of them all. Take your projections of evil hatred and racist conspiracy theories to a professional in the Mental Health field.
How can any US individual in a Federal leadership position walk around knowing that his actions are costing Amercan deaths! This cannot be swept under the rug and heads should roll. But then again Obama is neck high with his constant lies and corruption at the highest level. Pray that Congress can get to the bottom of it and Holder is fired.
If the president won’t appoint a special prosecutor then it’s time for congress to step up and vote for one or begin impeachment proceedings for Holder and or Obama (I’m not fussy.)
LovelyEarth obviously employing page #1 out of the Democratic Playbook:
S: Shift the Subject
I: Ignore the facts
N: Name call
And play the elitist. I can just hear LovelyEarth say, oh Beulah, peal me a grape.
That’s it !!! Mr. Holder must be part Cherokee … explains everything; duh!!!
I know Mr. Cherokee. Mr. Cherokee is a friend of mine. And Eric Holder is no Cherokee.
wait a dam minute HUSKY. I’m part Cherokee. no way is that bastard part Cherokee. he’s just high yellow,
And now for some small points. Mr. Owens, you’ve got a “Goser” instead of “Gosar.”
And folks, LovelyEarth is a well-known parodist of leftwing lunacy on these parts.
As for the content itself: DOESN’T ERIC HOLDER HAVE A FRAKKING STAFF???? “I didn’t know about the murders, smuggling, and illegal purchases because of course like all busy, important men I don’t read all my memos”? Really? What kind of people did you hire? Do they know how to flag items that should go to the top of your to-do list?
Now for the big point:
Our Attorney General told a complete bald-faced LIE to Congress.
So he lied to Congress? So what? What’s wrong with that? I mean, as long as he was trying to do the right thing, lying to Congress doesn’t matter, right?
Well, according to a lot of conservatives, lying to Congress is something to praise.
Oh, wait, I get it. THIS bald-faced lying under oath was done by one of THEIR guys, so it’s BAAAADD.
It’s COURAGEOUS when it’s done by one of OUR guys. Yeah, when one of OUR guys lies through his teeth under oath, it’s just fine.
Oh, in case you hadn’t figured it out, I’m talking about Oliver “Avoided jail time only due to a technicality” North.
What’s good for the goose is good for…. whom?
So you want the right to be quiet about Holder’s complicity in what minimally appears to be perjury and what could very soon be complicity to murdering two US boarder guards. And this is because 25 years ago Oliver North was convicted of perjury concerning a covert operation? I don’t remember any Republic defending Oliver North’s perjury–although it was a long time ago.
The thing I really love here is your statement serving as a microcosm of the MSM’s–ie. the left’s–loss of control of the narrative that you guys have monopolized for 50 years. Its like an angry, desperate “shut up!” from someone who isn’t used to his side being questioned. The pitiful plea of a dying era of ignorance.
What a hypocrite. Care to tell us how wonderful Bill Clinton was when HE committed felony perjury? And when the entire leadership of the Democratic Party went to the lawn of the White House and toasted him with champagne when he was impeached in the House for his multiple felonies?
Care to point out ANY Republicans who CELEBRATED in such a way? You can’t. Because Republicans do NOT defend wrongdoing, while you lefties march it lockstep with any of yours who commits felonies.
Well, I’m still wondering who signed off on this? Someone had to. I’m reminded of the Iran Contra affair, where NSA and the CIA signed off on arms to the Nicaraguan contras ( the rebels doing a little payback insurgency against the new Nicaraguan Marxist government who came into power doing a people’s liberation insurgency), but here the “rebels” are drug cartel lords shaking down the friendly if corrupt Mexican government when not shooting up each other for market share. If this were the case, obviously the current Mexican government would not want to take credit for prior knowledge of their Mexican nationals getting killed with smuggled weapons provided by the dreaded Yankees and their black president who seems to want to jack up the cross border arms smuggling stats to justify more onerous domestic gun control laws. Naw, that would be too Machiavellian. Blame it on Bush.
Holder, and others need to go to jail over this.
Well now. Lets ask Maxine Waters how she likes this. I became aware of her for the first time when she was claiming the CIA was behind the drug trade infecting her community. Now we find out thet this drug cartel has 3000 operations in the US and is in cahoots with gov officials. Time to get back on your high horse, Maxine!
The achilles heel of the Dem party is its connection to organized crime, imho.
Dates are vitally important. Not,”…July 5, July 12, July 19, July 26, and August 9.”. The article should read, “..July 5,2010, July 12,2010, July 19,2010, July 26,2010 and August 9, 2010.”. If true, it answers the key prosecutor’s question: What did he know, and when did he know it?
If Holden reads his mail, Senator Grassley’s question is check mate, “..why haven’t we stopped them?” and, of course, why did he later give false testimony under oath?
There is blood in the water. The sharks are circling.
Holder has one hearing left to save his career, and maybe freedom. No one can give an order to permit, or give thousands of weapons to killers, with no intention of avoiding slaughter.
what do you mean by holder has one hearing left..thats the part i don’t understand….thanks
Every person has the right to explain, under oath, why they previously spoke falsehoods under oath. There are legitimate reasons, but most disqualify a person for high office. If the AG fails to speak clear truth again, he could go the way of many ex high ranking people who became felons. His easy options died with Sen. Grassley’s question.
I do not believe we have plumbed the bottom of the barrel of falsehoods. But faced with prison sentences related to the murder of an American peace officer, some folks are under enormous pressure. Whoever sings first normally gets a lighter sentence. And these veterans know it.
We shall see justice.
Bob Ownens – Praise to you for your diligence in this matter. Without places like PJM and without reporters like you, probably none of us would have been any of the wiser. The LSM is doing its damndest not to report this to protect their man. If and when he goes down, their ends will be hastened as well (although I think the writing is on the wall for them already).
I never thought I would see a POTUS and an administration so criminal, and running so scared that they are seeming to foment and encourage rioting, and a civil / class war in America. I don’t think that the military, or 81% of the productive public are at all on board. If they keep this up much longer, it should spell a total end of the Democrats, the lapdog MSM and the 19% of deviants and societal parasites that support them.
Really, Mr. Holder. You should be ashamed of yourself. Conspiring to murder all those people (and most of them weren’t even white! — Good Lord, man). And the death toll’s still rising. How do you sleep at night? I can understand how demanding your win-at-all-costs-Communist ideology is, but please! Give us a break! Selling sophisticated automatic arms to Scarface narco-terrorists in the hopes of … what? … WHAT were you thinking??? Did you seriously imagine you could get away with it? Who cares if you’re banging Diane Sawyer! ARE YOU NUTS?!? Has ANYONE explained the Internet to you?
Mr. Holder would say what’s the big deal? None of “my people” got shot, just a few white folks and a couple of hundred Mexicans.
The Jay Carney truth meter:
“Tiger Woods is not attracted to women.”
“President Obama wants to replace Joe Biden with Mark Levin.”
“Ann Coulter is leading the Wall Street protests.”
“Harry Reid is the most interesting man in the world, but when he drinks beer….”
“General Holder believes that hate crimes include a crime of hate by a black on a white victim.”
“General Holder is telling the absolute truth in his fast and furious testimony to congressional members in May of 2011.”
Indictments should be forthcoming on this guy for perjury — and that is just for starters. Accessory to murder and worse should also be in the offing. But, he is a Democrat. The rule of law, the clamp of justice, does not apply to the highest ranking law enforcement officer in the land. Why? He is a Democrat!
No, this is not one of those situations where the cover-up is or can be worse than the crime. The crime was an attempt to sway public opinion on the 2nd amendment through creating crimes of its own and blaming them on their political enemies.
If any evidence surfaces to back that up, than either the GOP seeks impeachemt and jail for the lot of them, or it’s third party troubles for the “RINO-controlled comotose opposition.
Holder is joined at the leftist hip of Obama and it is near impossible that such a thing as Gun Runner could have happened without the explicit command of the White house. Following the rules to get the truth out is such a disadvantage -but necessary.
I just wish that the GOP itself would come out of its self-induced coma and fight tooth and nail the terminal evil that we face from the destroy America left, instead of the hatred that they seem to have soley for things like the tea Party and Palin.
16. Sorry, in this case the cover up is NOT worse than the crime, people died! Perjury may be all we can nail him on But holder is an accessory to murder!!!
Well said. Every person in the chain of command who approved this program should go to prison. Every person who objected but went along with it anyway should be fired at a minimum, lose their Federal pensions, and perhaps go to prison, too.
The sole consolation in all of this is that the overt stupidity and lawlessness of the Obama/Holder diabolical duo is becoming SO glaringly apparent(and documentable), that even the brain impaired left can’t deny the criminality. With a little luck, this will encourage a rigorous expulsion of the Obama/Holder turd from our body politic!!
The great problem with the whole experiment—so I see it—with doing it the Eric Holder way or the Obama way—”Try it, you might like it.”—is simply that, there would be no more USA; which is, of course, the underlying and perennial goal—and no experiment, at all, . . .
We are not here to merely chortle – some times a good word helps – like a pile driver.
Oh Lovely Earth – what pheromones you emit – they draw us from one crackpot comment to the next – and I am sure that our relationship will go on until you finish your rant time.
Dude you are refreshing – the world is going to hell in a hand basket and you are right out there pushing your wheelbarrow and trying to pass out your hand made ‘dumb’! If you are really hungry for association with thinking people you have found a wonderful source – nothing better than articles by Bob Owens and the folks at PAJAMASMEDIA .
So what about this – “This wouldn’t even be a story if Mr. Holder were white instead of a strong African-American.”
What are you presenting here – ‘the absence of color and a flash of Big John’ – come on Lovely – Himpton is either incompetent or a master ‘duck shover’- most likely both – with a few more broken laws hanging around his neck!
Strength of color – goes to what I told you yesterday about South Africa – colored people are ostracized by the South African blacks – they are not trusted!
People find it a little ‘off putting’ when you start going on about – ‘the kind of field I play in’! Come on Lovely – from your descriptions so far you can keep your ‘field’ – it’s your field – your playground!
Oriental / African makeup is it ?
Good luck with it – put a bit more balance into it – could be fine!
Holder is BLACK?