Gunwalker: From Obama’s Inauguration to Issa’s Report
Major scandals don’t always have the most dramatic beginnings. Andrew Johnson was impeached for replacing the sitting secretary of war; Richard Nixon’s collapse started with a breaking and entering. Bill Clinton’s infamy was guaranteed for quibbling over the definition of a common verb.
It now appears that high-ranking officials in the Obama administration may be writing the end of their careers and risking a life behind bars by arguing about the technical definition of “walking” firearms.
“Gunwalker” now involves the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives (ATF); its parent agency, the Department of Justice (DOJ); the Department of Homeland Security (DHS); and the White House itself. But to understand the depth of the scandal you must return to its roots at the beginning of the Obama adminstration.
Within weeks of President Obama’s inauguration in January of 2009, newly installed Secretary of State Hillary Clinton and Attorney General Eric Holder began to craft the meme that Mexican drug cartel violence was rooted in what they view as lax American gun laws. By February 4, we were hearing the infamous “90 percent lie,” the administration’s false accusation that 90 percent of the guns used in cartel crime could be traced to U.S. gun shops.
The assertion was not based upon the total percentage of civilian-origin firearms captured from Mexican cartels and traced back to U.S. gun shops, but upon the small percentage of weapons that the Mexican government saw markings on which indicated they could have come from or through the States. Only this much smaller percentage of guns were sent to the ATF for tracing. Unsurprisingly, a large percentage of guns with U.S. markings did come from the U.S., but they were a small fraction of the total number of guns confiscated by Mexican authorities.
How large was the discrepancy between the Obama administration’s lie and reality?
Mexico has more than 300,000 confiscated weapons locked in vaults. Mexico has asked the U.S. government to trace just a small fraction of those, including just 11,000 in 2007-2008, of which a little more than half — close to 6,000 — were successfully traced. This means roughly 5,000 of the 11,000 submitted could not be traced at all. Of those 6,000 guns that could be traced, 5,114 were traced to the U.S.
It is unknown how many of those traced weapons were purchased in U.S. gun shops, how many were stolen, and how many were Mexican military weapons sold to cartels by deserting Mexican soldiers.
A few thousand firearms out of more than 300,000 doesn’t make for a good crisis, so the Obama administration lied: again and again they pushed the 90 percent lie in the media, hoping to spur calls for gun control.
U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder tipped the administration’s hand just a little more than a month into Obama’s term, using cartel violence as an excuse to push for reinstatement of the failed Clinton-era “assault weapons” ban. The ban, part of the 1994 crime bill, outlawed several firearms by name and limited the number of certain other cosmetic features that politicians thought were scary, even though they did not have anything to do with a firearm’s rate of fire or accuracy. Examples of the cosmetic features banned included bayonet lugs, pistol grips, and barrel shrouds. Manufacturers released the exact same firearms, sans the offending cosmetics, the very next day with no reduction in lethality. The result of this pseudo-ban was to make these firearms more attractive to Americans, who purchased these weapons in far greater numbers than they ever had before.
The ban also stopped the new manufacture of standard capacity and high capacity magazines, but did nothing to address the ownership or sales of existing magazines. Wholesalers and retailers had millions of magazines in their warehouses, and they were available for retail, catalog, mail-order, and internet purchase throughout the life of the ban.
The “law of unintended consequences” also resulted in handgun manufacturers deciding that if they were going to be stuck dealing with an entirely arbitrary magazine capacity limit of ten rounds, then they would make the smallest ten-shot pistols imaginable. Because of the 1994 ban, we have an entirely new class of powerful subcompact centerfire pistols, and entirely new gun companies dedicated to better serving that market.
After the Obama administration was firmly rebuffed, they were forced to publicly withdraw their call for a reinstatement of the ban in March, though they still pushed the 90 percent lie.
By April, the administration began shifting resources to the border states as part of a “federal blitz,” and announced to great fanfare that they were going to step up efforts to stop gun and drug trafficking across the border — portraying American gun dealers as a key part of the problem. The political messaging being pushed by the White House through the DOJ, the DHS, and the ATF was so overt that by late April, the National Rifle Association warned their members about the scapegoating.
Justice?
What do you know about justice?
When our streets run with blood because of firearms ownership, they were answering to a Higher Calling, to generate the necessary Public Opinion against the Second Amendment to enact some good solid Gun Control throughout the nation.
Like Germany did in the 1930′s.
Hilarious!
#1 That’s funny right there…
Mr.Owens, you are probably 100% correct. Why is it that I have difficulty believing that accountability will be demanded and justice served? This administration does whatever it pleases and gives Congress and ‘we the people’ the middle finger; regardless of the rule of law.
I have recently read that Melson is likely to get off petty easy due to the fact that he knows where all the bodies are buried and has made clear that he will not go down alone.
Just let me know “when our streets run with blood”, willya?
I ain’t seen no bodies hanging from bridges round here either.
What’s in those pills you are taking? can I ge some?
Can’t you tell when someone is channeling a lib?
Yup, Many of us speculated a few months ago that this operation was intended to rouse rabble against the second amendment and make people believe that “guns are bad” all over again. Thankfully, the arrogance of the socialists in our government has borne some rather curious fruit. However, the MSM will ignore it until it’s really an obvious troll tugging at the skirts of real justice and something will have to be done to address it.
Why is a country like Mexico such a third-world cesspool in spite of all its advantages in climate, location, and resources? Because it is full of Mexicans! A people suffering with a third-world mentality. It is not the laws of Mexico that are the problem, it is the attitude of the governing class and the people themselves. By all rights Mexico should have a better standard of living than the United States due to its advantages. Gun control does not work in Mexico because the Mexican people are violent. Gun control is not necessary in the US because we believe in individual responsibility and fair play.
“Firearms stand next in importance to the Constitution itself. They are the American people’s liberty teeth and keystone under independence … From the hour the Pilgrims landed, to the present day, events, occurrences, and tendencies prove that to insure peace, security and happiness, the rifle and pistol are equally indispensable . . . the very atmosphere of firearms everywhere restrains evil interference – they deserve a place of honor with all that is good” (George Washington)
“The strongest reason for people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government.” — (Thomas Jefferson)
“And what country can preserve its liberties, if its rulers are not warned from time to time that this people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms….The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time, with the blood of patriots and tyrants” (Thomas Jefferson in a letter to William S. Smith in 1787. Taken from Jefferson, On Democracy 20, S. Padover ed., 1939)
“Americans have the right and advantage of being armed – unlike the citizens of other countries whose governments are afraid to trust the people with arms.” (James Madison, The Federalist Papers #46 at 243-244)
“the ultimate authority … resides in the people alone,” (James Madison, author of the Bill of Rights, in Federalist Paper #46.)
“The Constitution shall never be construed….to prevent the people of the United States who are peaceable citizens from keeping their own arms” (Samuel Adams, Debates and Proceedings in the Convention of the Commonwealth of Massachusetts, 86-87)
“To preserve liberty, it is essential that the whole body of people always possess arms, and be taught alike especially when young, how to use them.” (Richard Henry Lee, 1788, Initiator of the Declaration of Independence, and member of the first Senate, which passed the Bill of Rights, Walter Bennett, ed., Letters from the Federal Farmer to the Republican, at 21,22,124 (Univ. of Alabama Press,1975)..)
“The great object is that every man be armed” and “everyone who is able may have a gun.” (Patrick Henry, in the Virginia Convention on the ratification of the Constitution. Debates and other Proceedings of the Convention of Virginia,…taken in shorthand by David Robertson of Petersburg, at 271, 275 2d ed. Richmond, 1805. Also 3 Elliot, Debates at 386)
If all I had to know about Americans came from your post, I would think that we were all pompous bigots.
Really Barza? Why is that?
The generalized statements about a broad section of others backed up by grand quotes about his own.
Barza saz: “The generalized statements about a broad section of others backed up by grand quotes about his own.”
Could you be a little more specific? From what I read the commenter is citing the founders reasons that citizens should be armed and able to defend their natural rights, including the right to challenge an oppressive government.
What’s your problem with that, if any?
You can reach me at kruelhunter@aol.com. I look forward to your reply.
K. Hunter
Of course Bob is correct.In fact, there appears to be less than six degrees of separation between higher up officials and this narco gunrunning operation.IF it looks like a (revolutionary)duck…..
It is always the case with progressive revolutionaries that the ends justifies the means.Thus, if the end goal IS gun control(to better control the public and eviscerate the Constitution, article by article)and officials have the means to effectuate their goals,(through their unfettered power and their disregard for the Constitution) then what are the possibilities that this was not a set up from the beginning of his term?
Slim to none!!
Watch the trajectory of Director Ken Melson. Where he winds up will be the indicator of whether he was chosen to fall on the sword for Janet, Eric and Barack.
Napolitano, Holder, and Obama MUST have known about this. But you know how the game is played. They will all probably shift the blame to some staff member and make them take the fall for all of this. But I do think that Holder will be gone and maybe even Napolitano. The question is, will it be soon, like during this summer, or next summer just before the 2012 elections? My guess is that Obama will probably want this over sooner rather than later. That is, of course, unless he signed-off on the deal. But this does have the makings of a huge scandal. I hope the Republicans in the House keep up the pressure on Holder and Obama. Those border agents that were killed as a result of this deserve justice and we shouldn’t let those responsible for this mess get away with it.
We need as independent counsel!
Yes!
All those found to be complicit in the “Operation Fast and Furious” carried out by the ATF need to be prosecuted under the RICO laws and sent to jail if found guilty. The low level agents who were commanded to follow orders should be given leniency where possible. If it’s later found that Eric Holder and Obama were involved with this fiasco, they should be impeached and sentenced to jail also.
This operation is a stain on the reputation of the U.S. and those at fault not allowed to go free. Reps. Issa and Grassley should be commended for their actions in this unfortunate operation.
“The low level agents who were commanded to follow orders should be given leniency where possible.”
That defense went away at Nuremburg. They had a duty to refuse the illegal orders and report them to whoever could try to stop it.
They should be given the chance to testify against their commanders, and given leniency for allowing us to root out the real criminals.
If the agents involved actively protested and/or resisted the “Fast and Furious” scandal before it became public they should be immune from prosecution and be awarded medals. If other agents who participated in the operation are willing to testify against the authors of this atrocity they should also be immune from prosecution as part of a deal to provide testimony. End of story.
The administration officials, particularly Eric Holder, should be charged with:
Attempting to frame law-abiding firearm dealers
Accessory to trafficking in firearms
Accessory to straw purchases
Destabilizing a foreign nation
Destabilizing the United States
Accessory to murder in the United States
Accessory to murder in Mexico
Negligent homocide in the United States
Negligent homocide in Mexico
Lying to Congress
Attempting to silence whistleblowers
Threats, intimidation and a callous disregard for human life
Obama should be impeached and then tried for the following:
Treason
Attempting to frame law-abiding firearm dealers
Accessory to trafficking in firearms
Accessory to straw purchases
Destabilizing a foreign nation
Destabilizing the United States
Accessory to murder in the United States
Accessory to murder in Mexico
Negligent homocide in the United States
Negligent homocide in Mexico
Lying to Congress
Attempting to silence whistleblowers
Threats, intimidation and a callous disregard for human life
After they serve their time in US jails I am OK with handing them over to Mexico.
This kind of operation is very compartmentalized in the interests of secrecy so there is no complicity in performing your role when you have every reason to believe others will perform theirs as well. (Clear as mud?) What it boils down to is this: Person A is told to allow the weapons to cross the border while being told the agency, persons B, C, etc will work with Mexican authorities to pick them up once the connection to the cartel is made. If persons B and C do not follow through, person A should not be held responsible. It looks like, repeat, looks like persons B and C, the higher ups, had no intention of completing the transactions for political reasons. That should not leave person A holding the bag. That, presumably, is what the higher ups had in mind in case of discovery. Don’t be too quick to hang the honest brokers.
Prosecutions are a good idea, but applying the RICO statute is impossible. Such a move would mean declaring the Federal government to be a Corrupt Organization, and such organizations cannot prosecute themselves.
You could declare the entire Holder justice Dept to be a corrupt organization, and appoint a special prosecutor.
Let them be impeached, and then extradited to Mexico to answer for their crimes there.
I’m sure that they will form a very high opinion of the fairness and compassion of Mexican Justice, unlike the hellish system that operates here in the States.
1:Obama, holder and big sis are all guilty in this. Do you really think that they knew nothing about this?
2; Nothing will happen to them. Why? A trial by your peers. And we know who they are.
3;I say we put all three 50 miles deep in Mexico, no snake pliskin to help, and let them make it back. let them depend on each other.
Obama, Holder and Big Sis are all members of protected groups in the USA. They can do and get away with whatever the heck they want. End of story.
There could be no attempt at tracing without a record of serial numbers of weapons that were provided to cartels. The evidence is/was or should have been available all the way up to EriKKK Holder and beyond. This is the sort of criminal misconduct that should provide televised orange suited perp walks for Holder and everyone else.
Query: How is that our esteeeemed presidente who sets up all training for Seal team 6 and micromanages their preparation to kill Osama, knows nothing of this operation? I am guessing that if it had been successful, he would have been the one monitoring the cameras in the stores.
Justice? That went out of style the day he became president. This will dominate the rest of the time he is in office. He does not respond to court orders, he ignores subpoenas and he makes up his own rules, e.g. Libya. He knows how to run out the clock. It will be a TEXTBOOK run. Mark my words.
Sorry Bob, I thought this was a real good piece as it lays out damning information about how we have been betrayed at the highest levels of our government. Normally, I oppose capital punishment, but treason is on my exception list. However, the punch line: “The Constitution puts no one above the law. If Melson, Napolitano, Holder, Obama and their staffs were complicit in a plot to arm narco-terrorists that led to hundreds dead and wounded, they must face justice.” makes me think nothing will come of this.
Forget the long-form. Would the prisoner like a last cigarette? Filtered or unfiltered? These jokers believe the law is for the little people.
Bob Owens – Watch for the LSM to bury this. The only way it can get any traction is for Issa to have very, very public hearing day after day after day.
Does anybody remember Andrew Taver? He is the guy Obama wanted to appoint as Director of BATF but could not get him thru the confirmation process because of his anti-gun positions. Obama could try to appoint him “acting” Directer of ATF at this point.
I’m not any sort of conspiracy buff, but given the small number of Mexican arms traced to US gunshops, isn’t it rather strange that two of them would turn up at at the murder site of a US agent?
I mean, what’re the odds of that happening?
I would suggest that this gunwalker bs is a lot darker than we think.
Again, what’re the odds?
It is horrible if they approved. It is equally horrible if they didn’t approve it and are ignorant of what is going on.
Mexico has very strict gun laws. How is that working? Cut down killings?
“Strict gun laws” which only apply to the citizenry at large. Rich and well-connected people are always allowed to have armed “security specialists”, complete with special licenses for weapons verboten to the common herd. (Think fully-automatic ones.)
A similar system exists in that most “gunless” of nations, Japan. Trivia note; in spite of a near-total ban on firearms, every year Japan’s per capita suicide rate is roughly equal to the U.S. per capita homicide rate.
In Japanese culture, “common” people tend to blame themselves if anything goes wrong, and punish themselves for the fault, often overdoing it. The “elite’”, on the other hand, always have a scapegoat handy. In these respects, Japan has not changed in over a millennium, democracy and technological advancement notwithstanding.
In the “modern day” Mexican culture, when something goes wrong, everybody looks for someone else to blame it on. Preferably before someone higher up the food chain picks them to answer for the deed. Those at the top prefer it this way; they never have to worry about being held responsible for anything. As for everyone else, it’s a strong incentive toward law-breaking, if they want to either (a) get ahead or (b) just not end up in a body bag.
This probably explains President Calderon’s shock when marchers showed up demanding action against the drug cartels; he probably didn’t realize that the pernicious effects of American-style democracy had penetrated so deep with the peasantry.
In each case, the behavior pattern is the result of a rigidly-stratified culture which in many ways hasn’t even moved into the 20th Century, much less the 21st. In Japan, it’s the idea that the modern industrial leaders, etc., are the heirs of the traditional samurai. (Which, in fact, they mostly are not.)
In Mexico’s case, the society remains mired in the “Hidalgo/limpieza” nobility-vs.-peon’ culture imported from Spain, overlaying the remains of the Inca/Aztec tribalist culture, which was in many ways worse than the imported one.
The irony is that like Japan, Mexico’s government likes to lecture the United States on gun ownership, as well as other behaviors of the hoi polloi which the “ruling class” there believes should not be tolerated. In this, they are of a like mind with our own “ruling class”.
In all such cases, the elite’ fully intend to keep their own armed bodyguards, no matter what. After all, being the elite’, they are “entitled” to be protected- from the rest of us.
clear ether
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“If Melson, Napolitano, Holder, Obama and their staffs were complicit in a plot to arm narco-terrorists that led to hundreds dead and wounded, they must face justice.”
Hold your nose but not your breath.
All governments lie and do bad things. THIS government is proud of it. (It’s for the greater good.)
I hope the truth gets at each and every one of the sumbitches, even before they get to destroy such honest agents as there are.
The NRA has a good description of “Fast and Furious” in the July issue of “Rifleman” magazine. Three things to note:
1) The gun suppliers were explicitly ordered by BATFE to allow the gun sales, even though they all reported them as questionable. They were told that the BATFE would monitor and track the guns.
2) BATFE made no arrangements to actually track the guns past the Mexican border. In fact, nobody in the Mexican government or police were informed about the operation. What’s more alarming is that the BATFE agent who is the liaison to the Mexican government wasn’t briefed on the operation.
3) The drug cartels, by and large, don’t need to purchase their guns in the U.S.; they get them wholesale through international arms traffickers (usually Russian). Why would a multi-billion dollar operation that throws away perfectly good jet cargo aircraft on one-way drug shipments waste time purchasing guns from small U.S. dealers?
http://www.americanrifleman.org/ (although the article isn’t online yet).
http://home.nra.org/classic.aspx
http://www.nraila.org/Legislation/Federal/Read.aspx?id=6927
I don’t like to be this kind of “lucky”. I just read on Hot Air that Holder is on his way to talk to Andrew Traver. I hope Issa dosen’t leave go of this mess. We have ideology but no leadership in the WH.
I repeat what I said yesterday: besides our Congress’ investigation, the FAMILIES OF THE VICTIMS of crimes in which these weapons were involved should sue.
That will keep the heat on.
I agree, Sherab,
In suing for their families’ victims, they will also be suing for the rights of all people. They must sue.
Good point.
When you have over 150 Police Officers in Mexico and the United States killed with guns from the ATF, you are going to have a tremendous amount of political pressure from Mexico for extradition of those people to stand trial for being complicit in murder of their law enforcement officers. The Marxist in Chief will bow to the pressure and give them up, they will then cut deals so that they don’t have to go across that Mexican Border. At that point we will have a melt down of the Obama Regime.
No meltdown, Obama will just threaten to end Nafta, or just give them a couple billion dollars. Keep “walking” nothing to see here.
Watched the Fox special report panel on Fri. Even Hayward shrugged this off as an honest mistake. Beltway types and conservatives just can’t accept the idea of ANY police/military folks as being up to no good. Oreilly is doing it tonight, this will tell us much about actual support to prosecute these bastards.
Bob,
While I agree that Obama will probably will provide whatever cover he can for theses criminals, I dont think he had any personal knowledge of the specifics in the Gunwalker program…
Just like with any dictator, the miscreants below him know what his politics are, and craft individual plans at their authority level that are consistent with the parties overall agenda. Fueled by their shared contempt for the citizenry, “his people” simply create programs to meet those ends.
Therefore, I say Obama knew of Gunwalker like Hitler knew of the ovens.
Gas or coal fired?
The trains….electric, or deisel?
Mere operational details he doesnt need to be concered with.
All he needs to know is, his underlings are properly anti 2nd Amendment, and will “do things” with their agencies and departments that are consistent with the general desire to further discredit/blame our rights as “the problem”.
Its simply accepted by Obama that his subordinates will lie, promote/fabricate false “studies” and knowingly quote false “statistics” to further Anti-gun agenda of the ruling elite. Programs like Gunwalker are to be expected, with the customary “plausable deniability” to the executive by leaving him out of the particular details of the operation.
He does not have to review and and be aware of each script of the Propaganda Machine.
As far as:
“Under Article III, Section 3 of the Constitution, any person who levies war against the United States or adheres to its enemies by giving them aid and comfort is guilty of the act of treason”
This is meaningless, and has been for more than 50 years. Half of Hollywood and the MSM would be at the end of a rope if this was any longer an accepted interpretation. To them, “treason” has no actual definition, its merely a word, an insult, like calling someone an “asshole”. And unfortunately, whatever perception Liberals have, that is the way laws are enforced, the Constitution not withstanding.
Kinda like that silly “…shall not be infringed” thing that gets completely ignored by all levels of government in Blue States and Cities.
Fine, Obama is not responsible for anything in the gun walker situation.
Does Obama have a responsibility to find everyone that did participate,( without his knowledge) and send them to jail for as long as the law allows?
Does Obama have the responsibility to cooperate with Issa and his investigation?
Does Obama have the responsibility to charge those that are impeding this investigation?
I forgot, Obama must be honest in his responsibilities.
Gordo,
To answer your question, just expect Obama to do that which best supports his two primary concerns:
1) Himself. Heads will roll ONLY if this becomes a political issue he is forced to deal with without controlling the narrative. The MSM is virulently anti-gun, and will do its best to suppress the significance of this story as it relates to MOTIVE. Obama knows this, and will not call anyone out unless the media allows MOTIVE to become a talking point.
For the time being, anyone who brings up the impropriety of “losing” so many weapons to the drug cartels, and WHY, will be treated as a conspiracy nut as evil as the “birthers”.
The standard meme will be this:
“Yes yes yes, some were mistakes made in a highly complicated multinational operation…better oversight, training, FUNDING, bla bla bla bla…
but how DARE anyone suggest Obama and Holder are reckless, irresponsible, or downright evil?
Racists!
Conservatives!
Opportunistic whores, have you no SHAME!? ”
Obama and the media are on the same page with regard to 2nd Amendment issues, and even though this stinks to high heaven, the media will tolerate it for the “greater good” of:
2) Obama pushing for (at a minimum) the reinstatement of the Clinton Assault Weapons Ban, with “less loopholes” and more teeth.
Expect the mainstream story angle to continue revolving around the AVAILABILITY of these high powered weapons in the first place. Who cares were they went, they shouldnt BE on the shelves to begin with, they will say. The death of American LEO’s from these just shows how evil and terrible these things are…why are we debating HOW this happened, when we should just be BANNING these horrible things, and eliminating the problem entirely?
Expect an increase in “racist militiamen” news stories to drive the point home, or as a last ditch, fear of MUSLIM TERRORISTS buying these at GUN SHOWS to keep the Gunwalker MOTIVE out of the story.
Anything to deflect the truth, until (if and when) thats no longer possible, then we can expect a few mid level no-bodies to be moved somewhere else in the laviathan, while Obama is hailed as a take charge, hands on, buck stops here kind of hero…
Those “punished” will actually be promoted to higher paying jobs, or simply retire with Government Issued Golden Parachutes and immediately begin lucrative Lobbying Careers as reward for pretending to fall on their swords.
This is a bad story all around, and no truth or good will ever emerge from it.
We are well past the point of no return in this country.
Some will indeed have to have their cold dead fingers pried open for their arms to be taken…
Because our country has already died, a long long time ago.
Melson, who has been acting director since April 2009, is likely to resign within the next couple of days, says CNN.
Attorney General Eric Holder is to meet with Andrew Traver, head of the ATF field office in Chicago on Tuesday, about replacing Melson, the network says.
The Chicago way…..
It is not a scandle until it makes it into the main stream press. The shocking thing about living through this administration is how dependent our democratic institutions are on the main stream press. Venezuela and Iran building missile launching sites in Venezuela, it is not a story until the NYT, the post, NBC, CBS and ABC say it is.
If the missile site story does not surface, this gun walking thing won’t either.
Our main stream press has the capability of taking down this nation along with their declining businesses. The important thing to them is to support this administration, no matter what. Its for our own good.
Fred Huggins
Louisville
No one should be above the law! The murdered must have justice!
Drunk with power and control, the Obama government are guilty of innocent blood. In criminally supplying deadly weapons to the narco terrorists, the U.S. government became a part of the violent narco terrorists. If this is what they will do to our ally, Mexico and Mexican innocents, what dreadful plans do they have for America? This country is no longer recognizable as the great American nation it once was. Where America stood for justice, freedom and human rights. America is being transformed into something terrible.
If it was not for the fact that this horrible crime against innocents was perpetrated by the top leaders of our government, Mexico would be demanding the extradition of every guilty person to stand trial in Mexico.
Every American and every American ally should be extremely worried that the American government provided weapons to commit MURDER. This frightening crime should be the biggest story EVERY DAY in the media in America and around the world. Unless our elected representatives deal with this horrible crime against humanity, America faces a very dark and terrible future.
Bible, Genesis 4:10 And G-D said, “What have you done? The voice of your brother’s blood cries out to Me from the ground.”
Good read and thanks for keeping this story at the top of the heap.
For those of you advocating the prosecution of rank-and-file ATF agents who didn’t push back hard enough for your liking, I will just say I’m not on your side.
Obama Eyeing Anti-Gun Backer to Run ATF Monday, 20 Jun 2011 07:35 PM By Newsmax Wires
http://www.newsmax.com/Headline/Obama-NRF-AndrewT…
It will be found an unjust and unwise jealousy to deprive a man of his natural liberty upon the supposition he may abuse it. George Washington
A lot of people are keeping track of this now. It is the new Watergate.
http://www.nachumlist.com/gunrunner.htm
More like the new Kristallnacht
Liberals have been getting inured to the facilitation of murder. Roe v. Wade was just a warm-up.
What does Andrew Traver know about Gunwalker and when did he know about it.
“A lot of people are keeping track of this now. It is the new Watergate.”
1. I don’t recall the death toll from Watergate.
2. Liberal Administration – Nothing to see here.
I apologize for the multiple posts.
“If it was not for the fact that this horrible crime against innocents was perpetrated by the top leaders of our government, Mexico would be demanding the extradition of every guilty person to stand trial in Mexico.”
Mexican Government response is predictable. Nothing to see here. Pro-Amnesty Administration – no rocking boat.
Treason angle- good. Hope it leads to the top..
What is the Cloward & Piven model?
Create a crisis.
Gunwalker “creates” the crisis.
Gun control is the solution.
issa is calling for further investigation.
the atf is saying he was thoroughly briefed in advance
this ill-conceived operation and coverup are outrageous. what is more outrageous is the silence of the citizens of this great nation who implicitly condone the operation with their indifference and apathy. it’s time to re-read “A Nation of Sheep”.
BTW, how did this fiasco cost 80 million dollars, and where did the money go?