Weapons Company Caves to Political Correctness
Nonetheless, allied Western military forces were quick to jump on the bandwagon to pull the optics, with New Zealand and the United Kingdom quickly capitulating to political correctness. New Zealand’s forces will not withdraw the sights from combat, but the country decided to remove the inscriptions on the optics in the field as is practical. Pressure further mounted against Trijicon when U.S. General David Petraeus criticized the company for the references.
Shortly afterward, Trijicon announced that it would cease the release of the scripture on future products, and would provide kits to remove the references from optics in the field. The issue of Bible verses on military optics now seems to be dying down, but observations of the situation from start to the presumed finish raise troubling questions about the media, the military, military suppliers, and an overeager drive for political correctness.
As noted in a previous article, Trijicon’s inscriptions are hardly a new development. They have been a part of the company’s standard practices well in advance of obtaining military contracts. In each and every instance, it appears, the optics purchased by the U.S. and allied militaries were what is known as commercial-off-the-shelf (COTS) products. No taxpayer dollars went into the research or development of Trijicon’s optics. They were instead funded as a private business venture.
The military forces purchasing such COTS products always have two choices. They can buy true COTS products, or they can adapt existing products to specific needs, and the modifications are typically bankrolled by the military service looking to use the modified product. In the case of Trijicon, U.S. military procurement officers had every opportunity to examine and test ACOG and Reflex optics, and we know for a fact that such tests were performed before these optics were officially adopted as part of the SOPMOD package more than a decade ago.
If the military had any questions or concerns about the meaning of the inscriptions on Trijicon’s products, or were concerned about the company’s openly faith-based culture, they should have addressed them well in advance of making them a key component of American small arms procurement. Instead, the inscriptions were an open secret for more than two decades before being publicly being cast in a bad light by a sensationalist news story that relied upon Internet message boards, an anti-religious rabble-rouser, and his single disgruntled Muslim soldier-client.
It seems a shame that the faith and pride Trijicon has in God and country been turned upon by military customers seemingly more worried about public relations and political correctness than fairness, objectivity, or the freedom of American companies to practice free speech.
At the very least, the allied militaries that hung Trijicon out to dry should have acknowledged that they made the mistake in not asking questions about a prepackaged product. Instead, they sputtered about not knowing about the biblical inscriptions and insinuated that the company may be at fault for delivering an out-of-spec product (they clearly aren’t) or violating the terms of their contract (they didn’t). The simple fact of the matter is that Trijicon delivered the exact product they were asked to deliver: a superior product that has helped allied troops keep the enemy at a distance, helped discriminate friend from foe, and often kept perpetually outraged but non-combatant Muslim civilians alive by making military small arms fire more accurate.
Though the U.S., UK, and Kiwis have bowed to political correctness from atheists and Muslims, and the Australian military is still determining how to proceed, one U.S. ally refuses to be drawn into a pointless and superficial debate. The Israeli Defense Forces are too experienced with Islamic double-standards and ideological oppression to care if terrorists and their allies are offended by references to religious texts.
If they have any complaints at all, it seems to be that the ACOGs carried by Israeli marksmen don’t come in an Old Testament version.
Business is business. Their responsibilities are to their share holders/owners. They have no reasons to waste time, money and energy to fight or educate the ignoramuses.
I say, BRAVO to the Israeli Defense Forces. Seems to me, the Islamic forces would have a bigger problem with what comes out of the OTHER end of the rifle. But, hey, what do I know…
who cares what they think,as for me,my tax money is used for the armaments and I want the markings right there on those sights because those very well could be the last thing the soldier sees before he gives up his life for this country,the firs think of islam is to dominate the world and put us all under sharia law, they hate Christians.
Allahu akbar!
And we sit by and let a clear minority with questionable allegience to America dictate the way we prosecute this war and further how we discuss this war and what words can and cannot be used.
We deserve all the deaths the Islam can cause. Until we can destroy this virus called PC we will continue to die as a nation and our people will die at the hands of our own government and MSM.
Shame on the military and Patraeus in particular for going the PC route!! I dont give a rat’s ass what is offensive to the muslim buggers!! We need to be more offensive- go after them in their holes and caves and wipe them out.Wouldn’t hurt to root them out of our country either. . . bet this doesn’t get put up. . .might be too offensive
“A spokesman for the U.S Marines was far more cautious, saying that they were “concerned with how this may be perceived.””
Hmmm. Well it is very important, you know, the details of the weaponry we use to kill the suicidal savages whose primary desire is to kill themselves or be killed. It certainly wouldn’t do to put pork fat or massages of any kind or form on the instruments used to grant their earnest desire, to be killed that is. It is vital that we kill them in just exactly the way they favor. If we don’t, well, they may become quite cross with us. That could possibly be a bit dangerous, don’t you think Marine Corps spokesperson?
As an atheist I find the caving to PC whims to be more outrageously outrageous then the tacky but harmless scripture code.
No one stands up for their principles anymore.
The biggest objectors , CAIR and MPAC, are islamic terrorist fronts. They should have no say in any thing and be shut down for aiding and abetting the enemy.
As a light weapons infantryman I would much rather have words from the Bible accompany me in combat, than the airy-fairy, loosey-goosey dudes from ABC. More comfort from the good book and excerpts. Go Army.
I don’t see what the problem is. After all, it’s SOP to shoot Hajis before they get close enough to read the fine print.
Gate and Petraeus need to hand in their manhood and resign. Bowing to political correctness over protecting their troops is pathetic.
The thing that is rubbing me the wrong way as a Christian is not that some power will be stripped from the military if the serial codes are changed, but that evil has prevailed in it’s view in this mini-battle.
“messages” not “massages”.
“Any fool can hit the shot the second time.” Ben Hogan
Oh for God’s sake!
The hell with the muslims
The hell with political correctness
The hell with people looking for things to be offended by
The hell with weak-spined REMF’s
Possibly a better biblical quote to put on the scopes should be addressed to our enemies (the real ones):
“Ask and ye shall receive”
The mere fact that CAIR is on one side tempts me toward the other; but clearly Trijicon’s faith and pride are not very firm or it would have refused to recant and cooperate with the removal of the messages it put on the scopes.
If there was a violation of Contract it was on the side of the Military in the U.S. and all the countries that pressured the company to modify thier product after it had already been accepted. The time for the modification demand was before the contract was signed. The company was held hostage and did not want an expensive court battle.
What if someone brought a First Amendment suit against the Military. I am not saying to do it, but it could be argued.
We want to shoot them but also want them to ‘like us’…?
“Weapons Company Caves to Political Correctness”
Hokum. It’s selling the product that the customer wants to buy. If the defense department has decided that these references should be removed, the company is entirely free to ignore that – and lose the contract.
It’s caving to the almighty dollar. What the pentagon is doing is a different question.
I believe Trijicon will lose in the long run.They have in my eyes.
I’m with #14. Who cares what people think that are only interested in killing us or destroying our way of life? Americans better wake up or we will wind up like other countries which are up to their necks in Muslims and PC. It will be the ruination of this country if this happens.
I agree that removing the biblical references from the scopes was a cave in on their part. However, if they had not caved in and kept the biblical references, I would expect the Government to immediately cancel it’s contract with them.
With all the major religions involved in so much hatred and killing it would almost seem appropriate to paste biblical/quanic sayings on commonly used implements in our inner cities all the way up to our weapons of mass destruction. After all, they all believe they have God on their side so why not include some quotes to go along with the hardward? Not that their enemies will get a chance to read them and learn anything…so there is no real harm. God is on our money, why not on our Nukes too?
Well now, lets keep some perspective here. When the pilgrims landed on Plymouth Rock, they laid out their prayer mats and prayed to Allah, thanking Him for a safe passage. Then, the women, (little known truth here) departed from the ship wearing their burkas and veils to avoid unwelcome attention from the natives.
Oh, I’m sorry, those pilgrims were not Muslims. They were Christians looking for religious freedom. I was thinking of the pilgrims who make the annual trek to Mecca. I guess the fact that this country was founded and settled by Christians is no longer of any consequence or importance. (Yes, we did treat the Indians wrong and if there is any group who should be given special consideration, it is them.)
Soon, any reference to God will be considered “hate speech” by our progressive, politically correct leaders. I am surprised that Trijicon’s owners have not been charged with something by now. Just wait until CAIR files a lawsuit.
If this were not so ridiculous, it would almost be funny. Think about it. Why don’t we dip each bullet we use in combat against Muslim combatants in pig fat, take aim using a Trijicon scope with the appropriate verse reference, and deprive the recipient of the bullet his 72 virgins? If Muslims think they will be deprived of paradise if killed with a contaminated bullet fired by an infidel, how many will be willing to go into combat or take the chance of not meeting Allah face to face? Just might reduce the number of combatants.
Dont cavin stand up to your beliefs u dumba$$e$
It’s part a serial NUmber let the idiots think what they may about what is contained or inferred in that number. Its just a number like any other number used to identify a product.
Hey Trijion Company, don’t give up with the codes. How about, “In God We Trust, elevation, windage, range we can do ourselves.”
Does this mean that there will be a large number of politically corrected and rejected scopes coming into the public market?
Matthew:
“If the defense department has decided that these references should be removed, the company is entirely free to ignore that – and lose the contract.”
Lose the contract? On what basis? The military agreed to buy these OFF-THE-SHELF items. These items contained these references when the military entered into a CONTRACT to purchase them. The company made no changes. And these ‘hidden’ references have been known about for DECADES. So, on what basis do you believe the military would have to cancel the contract?
These references were included as part of the model number for the particular item. Would you advocate that ALL model numbers on ALL items/parts procured by the U.S. Government be investigated to see if it is POSSIBLE that they MIGHT contain ‘hidden’ references to Bible (or Torah or Koran) passages?
Perhaps instead of referring to a particular ACOG sight as an “ACOG4x32JN8:12″ it was simply referred to as a “JN8:12″. Too obvious for your sensibilities? How about a “10/14 8:12″? Would that pass muster?
Maybe instead of including the reference in the model number, it simply gets inserted somewhere into a serial number. One could have a model ACOG4x32 with serial number FU2010JN8:12BCX57138K. Would that make everybody all happy? Or should we waste our freakin’ time investigating every freakin’ serial number on everything bought by the U.S. Government to make sure THEY don’t contain ‘hidden’ religious messages?
This whole thing is simply asinine.
I’ll bet you that Scott Brown, the White Jesus, wouldn’t remove those Christy inscriptions. No way! In fact, he’d add a few things, like his daughters’ phone numbers.
I hear a condom company is printing Bible verses on their rubbers. Now THAT is a good sign.
Every time we capitulate to our enemies demands, we give them a victory. When will our leaders grow a spine and stop caving in to anyone and everyone who disagrees with us?
#23 bart…don’t you know you are not allowed to us the word “allah”…it is only for muslims, it is not allowed for non muslim speech
Oh you stupid infidels. You think that being fair and doing the politically correct thing is going to prevent us from killing you? Your fatuous and insensible efforts to make Islamists happy are another sign of your unwillingness to accept the reality of the situation. You apostates! Have you know character! It is our job to purge you from the Kingdom of Allah!
If any Islamist country could ever develop the technology to create such a gunsight we would gladly include in it references from the Quran to better honor ALLAH! Unfortunatly, we do not have such technology. Our societal development stopped right aroung the time your infidel reformation started.
As a society you infidels could get some sense (and some b*lls)and stand by your principles…but nooooooo, you continue to carry on with this nit-witted political correctness that will eventually get you snuffed. I hope you morons are still politically correct when we get our Islamist stuff together (and I don’t mean bombs in our panties either) and decide to do some real damage.
Has the Military learned nothing from the Ft. Hood incident? This is the same political correctness which caused that disaster. The Generals need to return to Teddy Roosevelt’s principles and quit worrying about offending anyone.
“It seems a shame that the faith and pride Trijicon has in God and country been turned upon by military customers seemingly more worried about public relations and political correctness than fairness, objectivity, or the freedom of American companies to practice free speech.”
I despise CAIR, which is no more than a HAMAS front and a religious-fascist organization, but you’re barking up the wrong tree on this one, Bob.
For me this is not another case of bogus political correctness. American soldiers – who may be Buddhist, Hindu, Jewish, agnostic, atheist or even Muslim – are firing guns to defend our country, not Jesus (who they may or may not believe in – their choice). This is a basic issue of separation of church and state. Freedom of religion is something we fight FOR. This isn’t about public relations. It’s about the principles of our country. If Trijcon wants to put religious preferences all over their equipment for private consumption, that’s fine with me. But when it comes to defending the US, they should leave them off. I’m with the Pentagon on this one – although not on their refusal to name the enemy in the War on Terror and other forms of censorship (like refusal to acknowledge Jihad) they practice.
Something much more important – and something I would support – is the refusal to allow Muslims in the US military unless they signed a document foreswearing jihad. Even this is problematic because of the license to lie to the kufr built into Islam.
It’s amazing to me that Hamas operatives (CAIR) can now attack and intimidate our military from ‘within’ as well. PC is a great vehicle for this; using our own rules against us….brazen I’d say, but it works; now we can claim reverse victim status, instead of throwing the bums out of the country.
An attack on our military is an attack on the POTUS himself; which is a no no.
Time for CAIR to go…Islam does not embrace American Judeo-Christian values. Never has and never will.
We better start by ‘manning up’ like the IDF…they do not put up with this kinda girly crap. Go Israel.
Funny…the enemy says it’s offended and we bow
..the enemy…the people trying to kill us…
Totally disgusting. Did you get that>>> we’re afraid of offending the people trying to kill us??? ?
What next??? We kill all blonde blue eyed people because Muslims tend to be dark????? and are offended?
We are allowing ourselves to be manipulated by the enemy. AND YES, MUSLIMS ARE THE ‘ENEMY”!!
#28 Why do you hate President Obama, Mr. Scuzneck, because he is a Christian? Not very progressive of you, I must say.
#23 Bart is right. Pork fat for the soldiers who have no religious convictions against it.
“An Army spokesman for U.S. Central Command noted that the inscriptions were not more religious (and far less overt) than the U.S. dollars emblazoned with “In God We Trust” that Islamic nations worldwide eagerly accept.”
If as defenders of “In God We Trust” say, it does not promote one religion over another, it can’t then be used as a precedent for Bible references on weapons.
Well gee Roger@33, did you know about the secret stampings prior to ABC revealing it. Did it make our military more religious? Did it make a difference to the terrorists that have been killed by the scopes? Did it make a rat’s a$$ difference? Huh???
No but since your sensitivities are offended we must demur to you and the PC crowd. Well how about taking the IN GOD WE TRUST off our dollar bills? While we’re at it lets not have any denominations represented in the military. Oh and anybody serving in the military cannot have a religious preference for fear we will offend muslims. OMG
You PC people are more afraid of offending the same people who would slit your throat than acknowledging that this is a CHRISTIAN nation. Now that is pathetic.
we’re afraid of offending the people trying to kill us
In the interest of accuracy, we also provide those weapons to some of our Muslim allies. Although I totally understand if that proves to be another flavor of puke.
Political Correctness is blinding and emasculating us, and, until it is discarded, will get a lot of Americans killed who did not need to die.
It is my contention that, even before and certainly since 9/11, we have been attacked on U.S. soil by many more Muslim Jihadis—from overseas and home-grown–than we are aware of, and that this wave of attacks—which seem to be growing in number and frequency—is being covered up as a matter of government and MSM policy—wouldn’t want to get us all riled up, and suspicious of and hostile to Islam and Muslims, would we?–by the simple expedient of just not reporting sufficient details, by delaying the reporting of significant details, by blowing off the significant details that would tell us this is a Muslim waging Jihad against us, or, finally, by just flatly declaring, before all the facts can even be gathered much less analyzed, that “terrorism was not involved,” much less terrorism prosecuted by a Muslim against us unbelievers as an act of Islamic Jihad.
Thus, the attackers full names are sometimes not revealed, or not revealed until interest from the initial reporting has died down, the attackers are uniformly portrayed as “nuts” and disturbed or distraught “loners,” the statements made by the attacker during the attack just somehow almost never get reported, and certainly not immediately—Maj. Hasan’s cry of “Allahu Akbar” as he mowed those unbeliever soldiers down just got away from the MSM, the attacker’s Muslim religion and Islam are not or are hardly even mentioned, and, if mentioned, are immediately downplayed as a possible motive, or we are told—way before any person would have enough evidence to make a reasonable determination–that “terrorism was not involved.”
This was the FBI spin during the first chaotic hour or so of what the government has still not fully admitted was a straightforward Jihadi terrorist attack by Muslim Maj. Hasan that killed 13 and wounded 30 at Ft. Hood—in fact, the 85 page DOD report on this incident apparently calls Hassan—not, by the way, mentioned by name—an “alleged attacker,” and does not mention Islam, or Jihad, or terrorism once in its pages; it was just a guy who “went postal”; a tragedy of course, but a normal workplace incident, really.
Yesterday, an Ethiopian airplane took off from Beirut airport–Beirut!–and, according to witnesses, blew apart in the air a few minutes later in a huge explosion, and before the bodies and wreckage could even be found, authorities said that they did not believe terrorism played any part in the “accident.”
A few minutes ago, FOX news was reporting on the apprehension an hour or so ago in New Jersey, of a heavily armed man in body armor, turned in by a suspicious customer at a convenience store, a man who had a cache of ammo and weapons—modified to be more lethal, and with filed off serial numbers–in his hotel room in New Jersey, plus a map of military bases and other potential targets, and a kaffiyeh i.e. Arab headdress, and that a cache of more arms and ammunition were found in his residence in Reston, VA. Yet, the news anchor reported the good news that authorities had already concluded that “they did not believe that any terrorism was involved.”
Wake up people!
Roger -
I would agree with your position IF what was placed on the items was the actual verse from the New Testament.
However, the references were simply included as part of the overall model number of the items in question. Should our troops (Buddhist/Hindu/Jewish etc. etc. etc.) now start SEARCHING all their equipment and getting on their “I’m offended” moral high horse if they find letter/number combinations in model numbers (or serial numbers?) which could be construed as being some sort of religious reference? Should we start looking for any numbers which COULD BE CONSTRUED as being references to passages in the Koran on any of our equipment?
Perhaps a piece of equipment has “Gen 1:3″ appended to the model number. Is that possibly nomenclature for “Generation 1, Version 3″ or would that refer to the Genesis 1:3? Should someone be “offended” or not?
mmm.mmm..mmmm….
What will the mooslimes do when they find out the bullets are all made with pigs blood and the body bags they get buried in are really pig skin?
28. skeeziks:
your moma would know more about how many letters there are on a condom then you ever would since you never had to roll one down that far. With her being the ho pro to so many.
It’s pretty damn rude to bring in a female family member to humiliate, isn’t it?
The rest of you are cowards for not calling him out on it.
dh
as long as our troops are still being supplied with ACOG’s,i could care less about dropping the biblical references.
42.dark helmet:”The rest of you are cowards for not calling him out on it.”
skeeziks is a bottom feeder,even among trolls,not even worth mentioning or responding to.
but hey,have your fun….oh ‘brave one’ ; )
Personally, I dont need Trijicon’s scope. I can just as easily use iron sights to shoot those bastards, THEN carve a Bible verse reference in their foreheads.
It is unfortunate that the Military caves to the demands of Muslims…but there are those who aren’t under the thumb of ignorance, nor do they answer to a higher authority (per se), and it is THOSE people who CAIR needs to worry about.
You see, they live in the same country…and CAIR et al needs to wake up to the fact that there is no PC protection from pissed off Americans who will hunt them down after the next attack.
Just sayin…..
#18 Matthew: “If the defense department has decided that these references should be removed, the company is entirely free to ignore that – and lose the contract.”
I would LOVE to see Trijicon win a breach of contract lawsuit for this ( I’m already laughing at you for your ridiculous comments), because I’ll bet my life that NOWHERE in their contract does it mention the manner in which Trijicon may serialize it’s gear.
This is nothing but Progressive liberals loathing everyone with values/morals that conflict with their belief in the supremacy of the state.
Shakespeare wrote a play about this issue centuries ago: “Much Ado About Nothing.”
There is no “political correctness” going on. This is neither a liberal nor conservative issue. Answer is real simple. Buy materials free of religious add-ons. The USA is a freedom-of-religion country and I don’t want my tax dollars going to promote one religion over another.
#46 Steve, you said it well. “The USA is a freedom-of-religion country”, not freedom from religion. If this company has been serializing their gear for DECADES as is, then you’re right, you idiots have no say once the contracts have been signed.
First off…the military would be hard pressed to find a product superior to the Trijicon sight. The scripture references were obscure. If you didn’t know it was a reference to biblical scripture you’d never even notice it. I say we ask the soldiers. Any who wish may have the offending scripture reference removed via Dremel…or they can leave it on.
Further…ALL US munitions should be dipped in pig’s blood. Just for fun.
Steve@46: “The USA is a freedom-of-religion country…” Okay fine. But even your statement means that a religion is not banned. So if Trijicon wants to put Christinan scripture on its sights and they make the best sights for our Army and Marines then they should be allowed. Right? Same if American Jews made the best, say, night vision scope. I see nothing wrong with that hypothetical company putting some Torah quote on its scope. Do you? If it helps us kill them-I say more power to them.
Why your tax dollars are supporting the religious practices of Islamic terrorist in Gitmo right now. How’s that make you feel? How about your tax dollars paying for foot baths at universities?
Here is my answer: Kill political correctness and we will not have this discussion again.
45. CJ:
“I would LOVE to see Trijicon win a breach of contract lawsuit for this ( I’m already laughing at you for your ridiculous comments), because I’ll bet my life that NOWHERE in their contract does it mention the manner in which Trijicon may serialize it’s gear.”
Neither here nor there in relation to the asininity going on over the scope but:
US military weapons systems have to meet detailed specifications. Believe it or not, there is almost certainly language dealing with serialization somewhere in the scope specs. It very likely specifies the type of etching, the placement of the serial number, the format, and usually there is a picture/drawing illustrating the presentation of the serial number.
It’s possible that Trijicon signed up to a spec that allowed them enough leeway to support including scriptural references along with the serial number. It’s more likely that the lever being used to get Trijicon to agree to no longer do so is that it violates the spec.
42. Dark Helmet:
“28. skeeziks:
your moma …The rest of you are cowards for not calling him out on it.”
43., active measures, has it right. skeeziks is a tool and his comments nothing but trolling shutouts that seldom even relate to a discussion and add nothing when they do. Best to consign him to the bozo bin and pass over his comments entirely. If one of his comments does catch your eye, dismiss it out of hand rather than reply to it.
Allah akphlegmbarrr!!!! We will overrun you American infidels!!!! We will rape your camels and loot your women!!!!
What is goin on in the world, America specifically, is like a version of the original Star Trek and we have landed on an alien planet of zombies…
Leader say breathe, leader say …blahblahblah….we are your muslim leaders, breathe…
SNAP OUT OF IT AMERICA!!! The people that have gone before us would be so ashamed…
I loathe that scripture is on these optics we use. That said…
Nothing was hidden and Trijicon’s practice has been well established when the US offered them a contract. Again, I don’t like that my tax paying dollars are funding this cr*p. But Trijicon wasn’t sneaking the references onto their product and the US has been using their optics for years and if it is an excellent and useful product for our troops, that is what is important to me.
That said (again), Trijicon could have elected NOT to cave. But, I do wish the US military had not picked Trijicon to start with.
@49 — your tax dollars also support the torture of innocents in Gitmo, but my guess is you wouldn’t care unless they were torturing a Christian.
Obama not a Christian,Fred. Stop caving America !!!!!!!
54. avoidswork:
“@49 — your tax dollars also support the torture of innocents in Gitmo, but my guess is you wouldn’t care unless they were torturing a Christian.”
No, they don’t. Unless it’s recently started up on Obama’s watch and I haven’t heard about it yet. If you have some reason to think it has, share it. If not, while I don’t know about Blotto at #49, I don’t see why anyone would care about your fantasies.
If Trijicon won’t engrave the verses on their scopes, then we should engrave it ourselves to keep the faith. Anybody got the number of someone with a good laser engraving setup?
Not to worry – it’s just temporary. Once we kick every one of these statists out of office and on their collective arses in November, Trijicon will get the green light (no pun intended) to stamp again.
The codes seem a bit strange to me – after all, Christ is usually associated with peaceful imagery – but, what the heck? The scopes aren’t engraved with Jesus faces, and the crosshairs/sights are not designed to look like crucifixes. And no one stops to read serial numbers and contemplate their meaning while in the heat of combat. So it’s all kind of a non-issue as far as I’m concerned. I am far more interested in real issues, such as the recent FUBAR on Navy Captain Holly Graf. She was a clearly incompetent officer, and yet was given command of a guided missile cruiser. Now, that’s a genuine case of Whiskey Tango Foxtrot!
#50
“Believe it or not, there is almost certainly language dealing with serialization somewhere in the scope specs.”
I served 10 yrs active duty in the USMC. Before I left my artillery battery, I served as MIMMS administrator for all the communications gear in the unit. I tracking literally thousands of pieces of equipment.
You’re right, every piece was serialized on the same type of affixed placard but none was serialized in the same manner across different types of gear and I still doubt there was any mention of what letters may be put where in their serialization.
60. CJ:
#50
“Believe it or not, there is almost certainly language dealing with serialization somewhere in the scope specs.”
“…but none was serialized in the same manner across different types of gear and I still doubt there was any mention of what letters may be put where in their serialization.”
True, the serialization is not standardized in any way. But the spec for the individual piece of gear will invariably call out the format of the related serial number, including in most cases a graphic of the serial number placard showing placement of the serial number and the Rev # of the gear, etc, plus XXXX type of format examples. It’s the type of spec the procuring agency requires, but also one that the end user wouldn’t usually see.
CJ:
“I would LOVE to see Trijicon win a breach of contract lawsuit for this ( I’m already laughing at you for your ridiculous comments), because I’ll bet my life that NOWHERE in their contract does it mention the manner in which Trijicon may serialize it’s gear.”
Oh, for pete’s sake. Do you honestly think that any company gets a rolled-gold contract to supply any product for eternity? The US defense department will order equipment with specified capabilities. When the next renewal comes up, or the moment that a new model is identified, expect that the company will be asked to remove the inscriptions. Or at least come up with something a bit more obscure. If they want to sell the stuff, they’ll do so.
“This is nothing but Progressive liberals loathing everyone with values/morals that conflict with their belief in the supremacy of the state”
Er, no. It’s the realist’s understanding about the power of the executive government. When jeb bush gets in he can sign an executive order telling the company to put them back again – that’s up to him. In the meantime, the president runs the government – and the secretary of defense will oversee purchasing decisions.
Do you want another crack at spinning that?
#62 Matty
“When jeb bush gets in…”
Nah, we’ll let you guys be the party of aristocracies. We give up to the Kennedys and Bidens. What? Oh, scratch the Kennedys and Bidens.
Welcome to free market forces. What, you don’t like them? Or you don’t like them when you disagree with the result?
Take your time, your choice is irrelevant anyway.
61. Commuter:
“True, the serialization is not standardized in any way. But the spec for the individual piece of gear will invariably call out the format of the related serial number, including in most cases a graphic of the serial number placard showing placement of the serial number and the Rev # of the gear, etc, plus XXXX type of format examples. It’s the type of spec the procuring agency requires, but also one that the end user wouldn’t usually see.”
Are we confusing serial numbers and NSNs?