Gun, Ammo Sales Skyrocket in Wake of Obama Reelection
Cope Reynolds, who took out a full-page ad banning Obama voters from entering his gun store, has seen his business boom since his “ban” received national media attention:
“People are saying that I’ve alienated half of our customers,” Reynolds said, laughing. “No, I haven’t. I haven’t alienated any of my customers, because the people who voted for Obama don’t buy guns here. They don’t come here at all. I haven’t alienated. I’ve improved things. I have packages sitting on my desk to be shipped to places like Massachusetts, Connecticut, New York, Idaho, Nevada and California.”
Online ammunition stores such as LuckyGunner.com and big box retailers like Walmart saw their shelves emptied within hours of the election, with the most common militarily useful calibers — 9mm, .45 ACP, .223 Remington, 5.56 NATO, and 7.62x39mm — sometimes almost doubling in price before being sold out. Distributors have not been able to keep pace with demand, and even retailers that buy hundreds of thousands or even millions of rounds of ammunition at a time have little in reserve. Almost a month after the election, prices are still high, and many preferred loadings for common calibers are still difficult to acquire.
Perhaps even more telling about these times is that the guns that are selling aren’t among those typically targeted by gun bans. Semi-automatic firearms such as AR-15s and AK-pattern rifles are always among the first targeted by gun banners and among the first picked up by gun purchasers worried about possible bans. But other firearms, from .22LR rifles and pistols to revolvers, shotguns, and bolt-action rifles in hunting calibers are also flying off the shelves, suggesting other dynamics are in play.
Sales of pump-action shotguns and handguns — close-in defensive weapons — strongly suggest that citizens do not trust their government to protect them against criminals.
There is more going on that we can easily diagnose, but at the root of it is the fear of a country on the verge of spinning out of control.
In a related story, in Virginia Firearms Sales are up, but Gun Violence has gone down.
The Gun Grabbers line about increased sales bringing about an EXPlOSION of Violece seems to be Exactly Wrong.
So how do the Gun Grabbers respond?
They say the statistics aren’t important because Crime went down indipendant of the gun sales.
http://www.wtop.com/120/3131395/Gun-violence-in-Va-falls-firearms-sales-up
Fool me once, shame on you. But fool me twice, and I’m probably an overly credulous gun owner that blindly consumes the advertising coming out of the gun industry.
How many gun control measures were passed during Obama’s first term? Zero. What moves has he made towards gun control since his re-election? Zero. Yet the gullible fork over their money. Again, as this same surge in gun sales happened when Obama was first elected.
Advertising + Low-information consumers = Profits. The gun industry knows that equation well. Do you?
Dear General Tso
“How many gun control measures were passed during Obama’s first term? Zero. What moves has he made towards gun control since his re-election? Zero.”
Wrongo-Du-Maxami!
http://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavlich/2012/11/08/obama_administration_partners_with_the_un_to_attack_the_second_amendment
You say so much, yet you know so little.
I think the good general is correct:
http://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/gun-control-rip/
“But while guns themselves are still a big deal to Americans, the political struggle over them no longer is. At the beginning of the 1990s, Gallup found 78 percent of Americans asking for stricter gun laws. By 2009, that number was 44 percent, a historic low. The Democratic Party has grown leery of the issue, as many Democrats have come to believe that both the 1994 Republican takeover of Congress and Al Gore’s 2000 presidential loss could be blamed on backlash against the party’s gun-control victories of the early 1990s: the Brady Bill, which imposed national background checks before you can buy a gun, and the ‘assault weapon’ ban on certain types of semiautomatic guns and magazines.
Americans have seen the number of guns in private hands continue to rise—and the number of states that pretty much allow any law-abiding citizen to carry concealed weapons reach over 40. We have simultaneously witnessed a 41 percent decline in overall violent crime rates over the past two decades. The homicide rate has fallen by nearly half over that period.
The assault-weapon ban expired in 2004, and though candidate Obama talked up reviving it, President Obama has let it lie. (Not even the ban’s defenders can claim it made the country any safer.) Obama’s sanguine acceptance of gun rights earned him an ‘F’ grade from the Brady Center after his first year in office. His administration’s lack of interest in gun laws did not change even after this year’s wave of high-profile firearms crimes. Americans have come to understand that such acts are still quite rare. More to the point, no imaginable public-policy solution will keep the occasional deranged criminal from doing evil with weapons.”
“I just want you to know that we are working on it,” Sarah Brady recalled the president telling them. “We have to go through a few processes, but under the radar.”
Secretary of State Hillary Clinton said: “We have to recognize and accept that the demand for drugs from the United States drives them north, and the guns that are used by the drug cartels against the police and the military, 90 percent of them come from America.”
Now, of course, these two quotes have NOTHING What-So-Ever to do with Fast and Furious!
No way!
I know you haven’t actually read the treaty or know what’s actually in it, but even going off the link you provide shows how absurd these scare tactics are. Here is that author’s argument for why the treaty, which regulates the international transfer of firearms, could affect US gun owners:
“Because the UN’s definition of “criminal activity” in the treaty is so broad, American gun owners could find themselves prosecuted if UN officials deemed owning some firearms a crime.”
Get this, the treaty is bad because owning a gun would become illegal _if the UN made owning a gun illegal_.
Hahaha! Seriously, that’s the argument! Just one small thing… if the UN makes owning a gun illegal, than owning a gun will be illegal, with or without this treaty. This argument reminds me of those pictures on the back of the frosted flakes box showing that it’s part of a balanced breakfast when you add the frosted flakes to some whole wheat, orange juice, a banana and some nuts. Guess what, that’s a balanced breakfast with or without the frosted flakes!
Like I said before: Advertisement + Low information consumers = Profit. The gun industry (and cereal industry) knows this. Do you?
You know, its so funny when you consider that all the Germans who were worried where Mr. Chancellor Hitler was taking the country were berated and ridiculed by all of the Reasonable and Intellectually Enlightened members of the German Republic.
They were lauged at for their ridiculous views – The were also Right.
Of couse, by the time folks figured out they were right, it was too late.
Following up – Have you read the treaty?
[checks post] [Godwin!] [laughter]
What other falsehoods have you been told, that you could trivially disprove with even a slight effort to find your own information?
Yes I have read the treaty and Yes I do hear falsehoods – From You!
@General Leftist moron,
As most have already pointed out, your shill about what obama did in his 1st term dictates nothing for his 2nd term occupation of the WH. The guy was a board member of the far left anti-gun organization known as the Joyce foundation.
ignorant inferior leftist + leftist with no job + election fraud of the highest order= 2nd obama term
General, please post a sign in your window that you do not support the Second Amendment, and that you don’t own any firearms. I do hope you live in a liberal gun-control bastion like Chicago, D.C., NYC, or LA.
Get back to us in a week or so, if you’re still alive and/or have not been the victim of some free-lance socialist. Let us know how it works out for you.
I live in an area of the country where everyone is assumed to have arms at the ready, with a knowledge and willingness to use them. Crime is low. We have few home invasions, almost no murders, virtually no armed robberies, and we can leave anything at all out and it will remain untouched. We are also a very polite community.
I like it this way.
Why do you assume that NYC area is anti gun? Yes, our politicians are mostly anti gun and the majority of people are. True. However, this is the home of the NRA, Creedmore. Westchester, Putnam, Suffolk, Eric, etc all the non city counties of the state, some highly and densely populated are full of full fledged gun nuts, collectors, and thousands upon thousands of people with carry permits.
It’s just math. If NYS did not have NYC in it, it would be considered quite pro gun. Please, stop generalizing. NYC is huge, and full of peasants, rich and poor, who are willing to give up certain rights in order to walk to work, make alot of money and eat great food. I’m not one of them. I can get the food by driving 14 miles south, and my neighborhood, in White Plains NY is jam packed full of folks with full carry permits, ARs and Mossbergs. We don’t even lock our doors.
Getting that out of the way, the fact is, Obama did nothing in his first term to take guns. Period. He very well may do something in his second. That’s why I pay the NRA-ILA and GOA to represent me. One thing is for sure, Bush 1 signed the first assault weapon ban. Obama signed the law allowing me to carry my piece in the national parks.
The sad fact is, we lost the election because we, collectively, are the boys who cried wolf. Calling someone a communist, terrorist, foreigner when he looks and acts like many people in the US was simply foolish. Instead of even mentioning rap, sex or anything like that, the GOP should have stuck to the money issues.
They did not. Romney refused to give specifics and pretty much convinced most people that they would lose their mortgage interest deduction, while his buddies would still get carried interest deductions. He blew it, and I voted for him.
Conservative, at this point, is a poison word and we might as well call ourselves Truman Democrats in the next election. Hell, Harry Truman carried a .38. Look it up. It’s true.
The only reason I started voting GOP was because of Clinton’s ban. I’m in a union. I’m Jewish. And although I think abortion is murder, I really am not going to vote on abortion alone. Even though I voted GOP, I have had it up to my eyeballs for being called an ultra leftist for belonging to a union, when I’m a life NRA member. Calling people names, in a blog or on TV only alienates potential voters. It is still happening. As a matter of fact, I WILL be called names as a result of what I just wrote. Guaranteed.
“Obama did nothing in his first term to take guns.”
I guess you missed the Fast and Furious Scandal.
Let me remind you of the following quotes…
“I just want you to know that we are working on it,” Sarah Brady recalled the president telling them. “We have to go through a few processes, but under the radar.”
Secretary of State Hillary Clinton said: “We have to recognize and accept that the demand for drugs from the United States drives them north, and the guns that are used by the drug cartels against the police and the military, 90 percent of them come from America.”
Taken alone, they are innocuous. But when seen together, in the light of what Fast and Furious did, they provide evidence that Fast and Furious was going to lay a foundation for a popular uprising against the current laws regarding sales of firearms.
I’d say the appointment of two rabid anti-gun ‘justices’ to the Supreme Court is pretty indicative of what is to come.
Of course, you want to cherry pick your information, and deliberately ignore his voting record as a Senator, but that is what you have been trained to do, isn’t it?
And just because he didn’t managed to get any gun control measures PASSED doesn’t mean he isn’t trying to move to get there anyway he can, via UN treaty, etc.
Fear mongering? Give me a break. People that are really paying attention to what is going on in this country aren’t stupid, and can read the writing on the wall, despite your attempts to paint over it.
Just to state the obvious, gun control was a ‘hot potato’ up until the election, and the Demoncraps wanted to steer clear of the issue because they knew it would cost them in political capital. Now that Obama doesn’t have to worry about getting re-elected, I think we will see more of his ‘true colors’ show.
Obama has shown he is willing to push through measures that are not overwhelmingly popular — Obamacare.
He would love to grab the guns from the good ol boys down in Dixie. Once the government takes our guns, there will be no getting them back.
…..not to forget CJ John Roberts who is likely to overrule any measure on 2cnd A. grounds and then proceed to let it stand as “a tax”. — IOW: get yours while they are (still) cheap (un-taxed?). Mr. “Tso” – a “general”, you’re not!
I would like to think that Roberts’ MO was to try to provide some impetus to the electorate to vote the b*stard out of the WH, with his ironic and oblique references to the consequences of how one votes. I would like to think that is why he ruled the way he did on Obamacare, giving the electorate credit for a level of intellect and moral courage to do what is in the country’s interests, rather than personal enrichment
If that is the case, he has surely been grievously disappointed by the reality check of Nov. 6. This could be why he is now ordering that Obamacare’s mandates be revisited; he knows we won’t save ourselves, it’s only a matter of time before yet another appointee arrives at SCOTUS, and he’s not willing to sit back and let it happen to us. Maybe he now knows that his court is our last hope of keeping the Dictator-and-Thief / Traitor-in-Chief in check.
It’s better than thinking he’s nothing more than a moral coward who will cave to King Barry on every issue.
That might be reassuring if this administration felt itself even remotely constrained by the bounds of the law. Unfortunately, time and time again, they have shown that they are not, and are perfectly willing to do whatever they please simply by executive fiat, and any other means at their disposal, even to the detriment of long held rights.
General Tso, you claim: “What moves has [Obama] made towards gun control since his re-election? Zero.”
Did you read the article? Obama knows he’ll never get a gun control measure through Congress so he’s attempting to bypass Congress via the UN’s small arms ban treaty.
Signing the treaty with the U.N. to control the proliferation of arms is just the first step. They have not earned the right to govern or suggest how to govern this country, EVER! End of that discussion. I do not trust the U.N. to do anything for our benefit, rather they will continue bash the United States and our constitutional rights until we have joined the ranks of the third world. That is their brand of equality.
Signature of the treaty, in and of itself, doesn’t do anything. It has to be approved by 2/3rds of the Senate before it comes into law for the U.S.
Let’s start with the number of Deomcrats who will vote nay.
I thought not.
A man who will deliberately arm Mexican drug cartels might be credible to you. Some of us are more discerning.
Is even Senate ratification of the treaty enough? We still have the 2nd Amendment to the Constitution. THAT hasn’t been overturned. The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.
That only matters if the Supreme Court rules that the treaty violates it. Given how they caved on Obamacare, I wouldn’t bet anything valuable on it.
Further, it can only be taken to the Supreme Court *after* confiscations have been done, and given that it would be the Executive Branch who would be tasked with enforcing the Supreme Court’s ruling if it was overturned, and they were ordered to return what they had stolen, I sincerely doubt that anyone who had anything taken under it would ever get any of it back again.
And, just for fun, I’m pretty sure they could still brand anyone who was possessing firearms during an overturned ban a felon, preventing them from ever legally owning firearms again, after it got overturned.
Another naive little waif, assuming Obama give a rat’s behind about the Constitution.
Talk to the guy who was thrown in prison for his inconvenient YouTube video.
I’d say the video was quite convenient, for Obama. He was able to wave it around as a bloody shirt and embarrass this country around the world.
Yeah – Our first political prisoner. Sad, isn’t it?
Me thinks I need to pick up a modern long long loooooong range high powered rifle with a nice scope in maybe a .270, .308, or 30.06 chambering…..something you can really reach out and touch the target with.
Magnum calibers just kick too much so no .300 or 7mm for me!
The scope is an absolute necessity as my eyes just ain’t what they used to be.
Time to hit the gun show!
You should check out a .300 or 7mm Magnum with a 30 degree reversing Muzzle Break.
It’s surprising how much recoil it reduces.
I admit I’m old school. There are few problems that a well placed 30.06 bullet won’t rectify, and honestly I don’t think I would need more than that if I seriously feel the need to shoot something.
On the other hand, a .270 is flatter shooting.
The .308 was basically intended to be a shortened 30.06, and in military loading was ballistically similar. Commercial loads have wider variety, and it’s inherently accurate – but I still just have a soft spot for the 30.06.
Besides, everyone and their second cousin who has a battle rifle is snapping up the .308, but all sport shops continue to sell the 30.06 in decent quantities so it’s easy to get.
Decisions decisions….
You know you can always download the 7mm Mag to .270 Winchester.
Use a 145 grain boat tail and you actaully get better trajectory than the .270 and with the Muzzle Break it feels almost like shooting a .22 (well a .222 at least)
And, with a full Magnum Load I can still hold a 14 inch group at 1000 yards.
The Civilian Marksmanship program is still selling surplus M1 Garands chambered in 30.06 Last I checked, being a member of the Garand Collector’s Association counted, and you get a quarterly magazine of how to care and feed that M1.
You can get your 30.06 and your battle rifle at the same time. Just be aware, it is a little touchy about ammo’s other than M2 Ball
Actually – I already have one.
The problem is you have to be careful with the ammo you use or you’ll bend the op rod, plus I’m not about to screw up a very nice collector’s piece in order to slap a scope on it.
Yes, I know there were scoped M1D’s, but that’s not what this rifle is and to try to duplicate that model in my opinion would diminish the value of the weapon. Heck, I paid less than $300 for it back in the 1990′s and it’s worth about $1,200 now!
Don’t get me wrong, it’s a wonderful weapon and just as deadly now as it was 60 years ago. But there are better options.
My preference is to get a nice 30.06 bolt action that doesn’t care what ammo I use as far as bullet weight or velocity, and is already intended to take a scope. That way I can use any 30.06 ammo I can find versus having to be picky about it.
LOL…my Lee Enfields are nice too, and I have seriously considered building up a sniper version from a decent receiver so as to preclude butchering what will eventually be a nice collectable – but .303 can be problematic to obtain from regular sources….still, that 10 round magazine is enticing.
Scottch;
Look for an ex-Indian Army, ex-Canadian Army, or or ex-Australian Army No. 4 in 7.62 x 51mm NATO. They have a different pattern of 10 round magazine, bolthead, etc., specifically designed for the 7.62 NATO (.308) cartridge.
A scoped version of this rifle, known as the L42, was for many years the standard sharpshooter’s rifle of both the British Army and police forces in the UK. It was also sold on the police market as the “Enfield Enforcer”.
I think this would fill your requirements fairly well, at reasonable expense.
cheers
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I happen to have an old carbine that will stop just about anything up to and including a Jeep at ranges of 50′ to 200 yards. Ruger .44 mag. Kicks a bit, but it certainly knocks down anything you hit.
LOL…yeah, liked the .44 carbine up until Bill Ruger wrote that letter to Bill Clinton suggesting a ban on any magazines holding over 10 rounds.
At those ranges my AR works fine anyway.
I’m talking about looooong ranges….
He later admitted that he had been suckered into “compromising” by “reasonable” liberals.
Of course, to a liberal, “compromise” means “do part of what I want today and I’ll wait until tomorrow to demand the rest.”
You may want to think about the largest caliber you can handle, because that will be the least that will be used against you by an oppressive regime.
And stock up on all reloading components, because they will be the easiest items to restrict in order to control the resistance.
Or as I like to say, “Invest in precious metals, Brass, Copper, Lead…”
Absolutely; And a good up to date reloading manual, because the internet resource will be blocked.
Sigh…sadly, I can’t find howitzer rounds at the local sporting goods store…lol.
Caliber is important, but it’s not the most important aspect.
Remember, WWI was started by a single shot from an FN Browning model 1910 pistol in .32 caliber.
And from that single act, you have WWI, which in turn set the stage for resuming hostilities in WWII, which in turn set the stage for the subsequent Cold War that included both Korea and Vietnam…..
All because of a single bullet.
Oh; well If it’s only a world war you want to start; Maybe you can go down in history as starting one with a sling shot and a marble. One of your heirs can bring you the headlines in the afterlife, from Drudge, on how you pulled it off.
But, I think the act of overwhelming four IRS agents at your door with a bow and arrow, like Rebel Guy has in mind, will only work if you are fast enough to reload from the quiver while they are doubled over in laughter.
LOL….trust me, I have no intention of starting anything – with a sling shot or otherwise.
However, if I ever find myself in a position where I have to protect me and mine – I intend to do so with something starting with a “4″ in the caliber.
My point is, at a certain level most of us don’t need but so much gun as beyond that you hit diminishing returns.
I have no confidence in my ability to hit a target a 1,000 yards unless I’m equipped with a very specialized weapon. On the other hand, I know guys who can routinely take down medium sized game out at 400 to 600 yards routinely as that’s about the limit you can see in this neck of the woods. I have no idea how far they can actually hit something if the ranges were greater.
LOL. That Is funny. To think a guy would contemplate going up against armed and determined government agents with a bow. I guess you missed the point which was actually that If the government wants to take those guns everyone is rushing out to buy now, they Will. And one armed citizen standing in his front doorway listening to said armed agents ordering him/her to turn over those guns is going to hand them over in order to spare him/herself a bitter and gory end.
Thanks for the comment that was easy to use in my scenario.
But, hiding your weapons on your property is like trying to conceal contraband on a yacht. I think you and I agree on that theory.
To be successful with a stealthy crypt, one has to be creative and mute.
You’ll not find me trespassing on your territory; The bow is extremely effective. I’ve used one with great success.
Back in my hometown around 2007 a guy shot down a police helicopter with a 30.06. Anything powerful and accurate enough to do something like that may be very useful in the days ahead.
FYI, 30.06 has been used to successfully take down every animal on the planet. It is versatile AND powerful. Other calibers may be flatter shooting, or have a longer range, but none seem to be as versatile in my opinion.
I’m just curious…did they capture and jail the person who sodomized Dianne Feinstein with that gun barrel ?
Gun control is a lost cause for the Democrats right now, and they know it. Sure Obama may really want to create more restrictions, but democrats in the house and senate know that is career suicide. They won’t let it come up.
Suicide is the furthest thing from Obama’s mind, although he’ll strap on an explosive edict to his chest any day now, and detonate it with his signature.
I’m thinking an Executive Order complying with the U.N. mandate.
And the Democrats in Congress will play the blame game to absolve themselves.
Has Obama ever shown that he really cares about ANY American traditions?
Scottch…I’d recommend a “Leatherwood ART 1000″ scope…around $400.00 and change…search it…you’ll see..hard to beat for the $
I’ll have to look into that.
Haven’t decided which way I want to go yet. I was considering picking up a Burris, Redfield, Nikon, Leopold, something along those lines – but it’s been years since I even looked at such things so I need to educate myself on what is currently available and who still builds a quality product.
I don’t feel the need to spend 4 figures on a scope just for bragging rights. If it doesn’t fog, will hold a zero without babying it, and give me decent magnification and field of view at a usable range of 300 to 600 yards then I’m good to go.
I think Redfield got bought out at some point but is now somehow back in business???
Anyway, the research should be fun!
I also heard about a “Shepherd” scope?
Whoooooooaaaaaahhhhhhh….just checked it out. Looks nice, automatic ranging, ex-military type (looks like the original versions were used on 7.62 M14′s so a 30.06 should be no problem)….Midway is listing it for $289.99.
This could work nicely!
Thanks for the tip!
Being raised in the south and hunting since I was old enough to follow my daddy through the woods I already have accumulated enough guns to more than adequately supply myself with food and defend myself if need be. However..this run on guns and ammunition is an exercise in futility. When and if the federal government decides its going to take your guns, legally or otherwise, they will. The problem as I see it is that all these guns are owned and kept by INDIVIDUALS. And when the government agents come to take the guns, it will be multiple ARMED agents confronting an INDIVIDUAL gun owner. Which one of us courageous, law abiding, freedom loving gun owners is gonna buck Them odds? Its a rhetorical question.
As for myself..I’m refamiliarizing myself with the old school bow and arrow.
Well, I don’t know about y’all, but I gave up a few years ago and sold all my guns. That “many-on-one” scenario will probably be played out all over the country, and that’s not the hill (front step) we should be trying to die on. I kept one 1892 Argentine Mauser just because I like how it looks…ammunition is practically impossible to get, so it’s just a wall decoration now. Once upon a time it would give an 06 a run for its money.
I neglected to mention as examples in my previous post Waco and Ruby Ridge. Sorry bout that.
And I’m sure any government types are used to that kind of public response to raids.
They isolate the target, come in with overwhelming force, make sure the target’s reputations are trashed so no public sympathy, then they can do as they please after they blockade them in.
And I think this still holds true at the moment, and I am hopeful that this tactic is only used these days for deserving criminal elements.
However, imagine it’s not the criminal element anymore but rather a recalcitrant gun owner, and it’s not Waco or Ruby Ridge – imagine instead it’s more a Concord or Lexington.
Not in the sense of an organized local militia (we don’t have those anymore) but rather an entire community that resists.
If there were to occur a real collapse of authority – or even respect for authority – and such a raid occurred to a well connected individual or group that had enough public sympathy – certain government types could find themselves in a bad tactical situation as they are setting up road blocks around the target only to find large numbers of still more sympathetic folks outside of that zone taking…ahem…’umbrage’…at their actions.
In my opinion, it would be quite a stretch to get from where we are now to that kind of a situation – but it all depends on the stupidity level of those in charge, and on that count I’m not taking any bets.
They don’t have enough bodies to police up all of the guns at one fell swoop so they’d have to try to do it piecemeal, and that would give the remaining gun owners time to figure out what’s happening and determine their own course of actions at that point.
Toss in the fact that I suspect a lot of law enforcement would decide to sit it out (especially in red states) and things would get very interesting very quickly.
Faced with resistance, government reaction is always to respond with still more force further escalating things if it is a true popular resistance movement as that will encourage still more citizens to take action.
Kind of a downward spiral at that point.
Why do you think they want to control the “Internet?”
Lets’ say they hit Joe’s house down the street.
At most, a cul-de-sac of his neighbors would be aware of it.
With the ubiquitous interweb to spread the news, the whole COUNTRY finds out about it in minutes, and THAT scares the hell out of the gun grabbers.
Move to a small town, one with surface water and rough country behind it.
Watch the highways in, listen for military chopper blades. Post senteries on the hill tops overlooking the highways in. Give them non-electronic methods of communication in case of EMP. They will do exactly as you say, isolate and use overwhelming force. This eventualy will fail in small towns and the invading force WILL be wiped out by locals who will then liberate the military grade weapons. The feds will retaliate with air attacks and possbly drone missle attacks. This will put them in the same position they are in fighting Al quiada in Iraq and elsewhere, the crazier the feds get with violence on the American people, the more people will join the fight against them and the more military will turn on them from the inside. This is OUR spiral. WE outnumber them aprox 600 to one.
Answer: Predator Drones.
Walk anywhere with a gun and die.
Ruby Ridge cost Randy Weaver a wife, son, and the family dog. Randy was exonerated of any wrongdoing and he and his family were awarded $3.1 million in restitution for their loss.
All over a shotgun barrel cut a quarter inch too short.
At Waco the Branch Davidian fringe Christian group was essentially wiped out by a massive military force. Issue there was rumors that they were converting legal semi auto rifles into machine guns. The government also circulated numerous rumors to smear David Koresh, the Davidian’s leader, none of them ever proven.
Timothy McVeigh cited the Waco incident as a primary motivation for the Oklahoma City bombing, a truck bomb attack against the federal buliding in that city.
Hmmm…I thought the shotgun barrel was only 1/8 inch too short – and Weaver cut it off at the exact spot that the government informant marked on the barrel and harangued him into cutting it at.
But yeah, I remember all of those incidents vividly, and my honest first gut reaction to the Oklahoma City bombing was to wonder if it had anything to do with retaliation for Waco/Ruby Ridge.
The machine gun excuse used at Waco was because the Davidians had bump-fire devices which could simulate full automatic fire, but were completely legal at both state and federal levels for anyone to own.
It’s also telling that the government had ample opportunity to arrest Koresh OUTSIDE of his compound, but chose a large, military style, violent home invasion type raid clearly for publicity purposes.
The first shots fired were by the federal agents as they stumbled out of their vehicles and couldn’t keep their fingers off the triggers, and at least one or two agents were shot by their own people – yet these injuries were subsequently used during the standoff as validation that the Davidians were violent.
I have no idea if Koresh was guilty of the child abuse he was accused of, and neither does anyone else.
The federal government burnt down all of the evidence.
At Ruby Ridge, federal agents hiding in the trees shot the family dog from hiding right in front of Randy Weaver’s son. That teenaged child snapped a couple of shots off wildly into the trees with his .22 in a panic and then ran away towards home, at which point they shot him in the back without ever identifying themselves.
They shot Randy Weaver’s wife through the head as she was standing, unarmed and with an infant in her arms, as she was holding the door open for someone to try to get into the house as they were being shot at.
She was shot by a sniper using a scope who could clearly see what he was shooting at – it was deliberate murder.
No one has ever been really reprimanded for either incident, and some were even promoted.
The settlement Weaver got from the federal government is I’m sure cold comfort to him these days.
The only positive thing to come out of any of this is, you should now clearly know what the government’s tactics are if they come for you.
There is more going on that we can easily diagnose, but at the root of it is the fear of a country on the verge of spinning out of control.
Methinks thou doth protest too much, Mr. Owens. You have, indeed, succinctly analyzed America’s rush to buy guns, which does, indeed, express a widespread fear of our nation’s spinning out of control. Ask any doctor confronted with broken bones: just because a diagnosis looks easy doesn’t mean it’s inaccurate.
The number of us who can clearly articulate the problem is far less significant than the millions upon millions of us who are acutely worried. The self-proclaimed “progressives” have gutted our national government, law, and political culture from within. In place of our original constitutional republic, we have a de facto “progressive” oligarchy for a national government and several state governments. The Supreme Court and Congress have abdicated all but last semblances of their responsibilities, and serve as rubber stamps for President You Didn’t Build That and the feral bureaucracy. The rule of law has been reduced to a bitter mockery of itself. Racism prevails, and so do corruption, privilege, connections, exceptions, and much more. Open market capitalism has been regulated largely out of existence and replaced with the Chicago way. Our national economy has been hobbled by profligate feral government borrowing and squandering, demented social and business control masquerading as regulation, corruption, devaluation of the dollar, and nearly universal dread of worse to come. All our rights have been wantonly and deliberately infringed nearly to the degree of uselessness, except in name. We, the people are ruled, not represented.
Many of us expect YDBT and his cronies to launch major exercises in anti-Second Amendment bigotry; as well, many of us expect economic disaster as a direct result of feral government meddling and looting. I say both expectations are entirely reasonable.
I would respectfully submit that now would be a good time for those who live in smaller communities to actively promote the formation of formal militias. This should be done on a state level also, but that will take longer and should come from the Governors.
There is a war, or slavery, looming assiduously on the horizon.
And if your membership does not include minority you will become a Neo-NAZI redneck hate group and treated accordingly.
Terrific post! What we need as a country is more guns and more people having them. Teachers, students, pilots, bar patrons, criminals, bank employees, children, elected officials, daycare workers, whatever. Studies have clearly shown that when there are more guns there is not more gun violence but less as everyone is more civil, afraid they will get shot. Guns do not equal violence, they equal civility. More guns please!
Ahem….to quote a wise man:
“An armed society is a polite society.”
Ah, yes, old Robert A. H. My favorite classic liberal!
There are 20,000 gun laws on the books and the only thing they do is impinge upon the ability of honest and law abiding citizens to exercise their constitutional right to keep and bear arms. Criminals don’t care about gun laws. The big cities such as Los Angeles, Chicago, Detroit and Washington DC are proof that repressive gun laws do not work other than to create an unarmed citizenry who are in turn easy marks for lawless predators.
The framers of the constitution strongly believed that an armed citizenry is the best protection against a repressive government. They were absolutely correct. One only has to review the history of totalitarian regimes to see that part of their consolidation of power was to disarm their citizens.
Pentagon: A Human Will Always Decide When a Robot Kills You BY SPENCER ACKERMAN 11.26.12
http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2012/11/human-robot-kill/
General Tso,
I don’t care if you don’t buy a gun. In fact I rather prefer it. Please go to Daily Kos and similar sites and continue spreading your message.
PJM readers,
Within the last six months the California Senate Bill (SB) 249 was ready to set in motion a law which could have resulted in confiscation of certain firearms.
Banning, while troubling enough, is one thing. Confiscations of legally purchased firearms is another thing entirely.
IMPORTANT: Buying a gun is not enough. You must have some competence with the weapon. Go to a local range and practice. Find a friend who knows firearms. Then, when you get to a basic level of proficiency be sure to attend a local Intgernational Defensive Pistol Association (IDPA) or similar match event where you get to shoot the gun under some realistic conditions. It can be eye opening how challenging it is to be accurate and controlled simply because you have been asked to shoot from behind cover and then instructed to retreat to another spot. A little exposure to some realism will make a big difference in your ability to defend yourself against determined criminals. It is also a big confidence builder, to become competent at something which previously was intimidating.
Addendum: all readers serious about defending liberty should get themselves to an Appleseed event post haste. That’s http://www.appleseedinfo.org.
It will be one the best weekends you’ve ever spent. You’ll meet a fair number of like minded people, learn some fascinating aspects of history and with a bit of practice and skill, you’ll begin your journey to the station of Rifleman. That is one who can make consistent and rapid hits on a target the size of a milk jug at 500 yards. That’s the Rifleman’s Quarter Mile.
And you’ll be back.
Geithner Admits: Obligations In President’s Budget ‘Unsustainable’
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WdcQGJF_jmY
Retired Representative Jay Dickey, Republican of Arkansas, has his own interpretation of what the Second Amendment means. He said, “We have the right to bear arms because of the threat of government taking over the freedoms that we have” (cited in The New York Times, January 25, 2011). Representative Dickey is in favor of overthrowing the government of the United States by force and violence. If the purpose of the Second Amendment really was “to stop the federal government from disarming state militias,” as Representative Dickey agrees, then the Founding Fathers supported the idea of overthrowing the government.
Of course they did. They did it once, and then tried to make sure it could be done again if necessary.
The term “Well Regulated” in the Second Amendment meant “Well Manned and Equipped ” in 1791 as was determined in the 1939 United States v. Miller case after referencing the autobiography of Benjamin Franklin. The concept of Government Regulation, as we understand it today, did not exist at the time. United States v. Miller also determined that the term “Arms” refers to “Ordinary Military Weapons”. American Citizens have the right to Keep and Bear, which means Own and Carry, any weapons that a soldier carries into battle. That includes past, present and future weapons. A Militia consisted of armed volunteers willing to fight with their personal arms and not under government control. The American people still have a lot of work to do with regard to taking back their rights.
Who will these “armed volunteers” be? Jihadists.
The purpose of the Second Amendment is to arm people in order to prevent future tyranny. They need the tools to do this. The term “Well Regulated” in the Second Amendment meant “Well Manned and Equipped ” in 1791 as was determined in the 1939 United States v. Miller case after referencing the autobiography of Benjamin Franklin. The concept of Government Regulation, as we understand it today, did not exist at the time. United States v. Miller also determined that the term “Arms” refers to “Ordinary Military Weapons”. American Citizens have the right to Keep and Bear, which means Own and Carry, any weapons that a soldier carries into battle. That includes past, present and future weapons. A Militia consisted of armed volunteers willing to fight with their personal arms and not under government control. The American people still have a lot of work to do with regard to taking back their rights.
Mystery: Virginia gun violence falls as gun sales soar NOVEMBER 27, 2012 BY MARY KATHARINE HAM
http://hotair.com/archives/2012/11/27/mystery-virginia-gun-violence-falls-as-gun-sales-soar/
My simple reason for buying guns, is I live in a ‘democratic’ (wink) neighborhood in the red state of Texas, I don’t want them boys getting cocky now since their lord and savior got re-elected.
Al Qaeda… er, Syrian Rebels… and Mexican drug lords can have all the guns they want and and then some, but you can’t trust those no-good American citizens with ‘em in order to ensure “social justice” (something’s wrong with Democrats).
I propose an income tax credit on gun purchases, dollar for dollar. Buy a gun, and deduct the entire purchase price from your income. This would have a two-pronged effect. First, it would stimulate gun sales even more, providing a much-needed boost to the economy. Second, and this is the best part, it would make liberal heads explode.
UPDATED: EPIC Appeals NSA’s Withholding of Cybersecurity Directive
http://epic.org/2012/11/updated-epic-appeals-nsas-with.html
Doesn’t matter Obama gun control will get every gun using tactics the military learned in Iraq. Already sheriff’s deputies and police are sitting and using sniper find tech to locate anyone who fires a shot so they know where to go.
The Military?
Yes, The military will take your guns, yes the military will shoot you if you do not surrender them especially if you stand up for your rights.
No there won’t be a large militia or guerrilla army running about in revolt against gun confiscation, guerrillas are by and large not fat, dumb and happy as well as being totally misinformed.
Obama won, the 2d amendment lost.
next up the 1st amendment censored for hate speech.
In order to confiscate your guns the 4th and 5th amendments will be nullified.
Your children will be told to turn in their parents if they own guns.
First Amendment is already gone, if you’re Branch Davidian or Catholic. Didn’t you hear?
Hep-T I think the Current Militias would Have to disagree..Millions of Patriots and Gun Owners as well..Shoot and Scoot will be the New Craze..We out number them 300 to One..I can Live with those Odds, they got to sleep somewhere!
Well, it seems abundantly clear that millions of Americans, who are purchasing
guns and ammunition, understand completely that the fate of this once great
nation no longer resides with the government, the politicians, the liberal MSM,
harsh regulations, racism, societall division, the war on women, LBGT or even
the economy. We are facing tyrannical dictatorship, and those of us who love
America as it was Constitutionally founded, are getting fully prepared to
defend themselves and their families, when the
21st Century American Revolution begins.
Good luck, America.
Those who are fiscal conservative but socially liberal are going to need to ask themselves which side they’ll join in the American Blue-Red War. Red territory will be fiscally and socially conservative, and Blue territory will be fiscally and socially liberal. Do they give up hedonism, or capitalism? Pass the popcorn. Of course, if it drags out too long, Red territory wins on demographics.
http://statehealthfacts.org/comparemaptable.jsp?cat=2&ind=35
Consider the following:
“25 States allow anyone to buy a gun, strap it on, and walk down the street with no permit of any kind: some say it’s crazy. However, four out of five US murders are committed in the other half of the country: so who’s crazy?” – Andrew Ford
There is an INVERSE relationship between gun ownership and violent crime levels. Statistics don’t lie – Liberals do.
fire arms sales skyrocketed when Obama was elected in 08, right?
so why the news about skyrocketing sales in 2012? It’s something we expected.