Guilty: Muslim Family in Canada Convicted in Honor Killings
On Sunday, January 29, 2012, two years and seven months after the bodies of four Canadian women all from the same family were found murdered, after a ten week trial, and after fifteen hours of deliberations, a jury voted “guilty” to first degree murder for three other members of the Shafia family.
Although I myself initially hailed this as possibly a turning point in Canada in terms of the nation’s failed multicultural policy, I now wonder why the life sentence, which in Canada means 25 years without parole, was not 25 years without parole for each life coldly snuffed out.
The three Shafias were tried under Canadian law for premeditated murder and for conspiracy to commit murder; no special “honor killing” related law was needed. This is as it should be and yet, if such a special law did exist, there might have been an “enhanced penalty” which might have maximized the sentences. However, Canadian law in general is lenient. They have no death penalty and there has been no capital punishment in Canada since 1962.
Still, true justice should have resulted in a 25 year sentence for each murder: one for Geeti, 13, one for Sahar, 17, one for Zainab, 19, and one for Rona Amir Mohammed, 52, instead of what amounts to about a minimum of 6½ years for each life taken.
Nevertheless, the case was vigorously pursued by the Canadian authorities on behalf of justice for four freedom-loving Muslim girls and women.
The Shafias are a prosperous family of polygamous Afghan immigrants who fled Afghanistan in 1992, took up residence in various Arab states and in South Africa, and then came to Canada in 2007.
Clearly, this was an honor killing and one that a biological mother, biological father, and biological older brother perpetrated. By definition, according to my own studies in Middle East Quarterly, the classic honor killing is that of a young daughter by her family of origin. This is not at all like Western domestic violence or even Western domestically violent femicide. Judeo-Christian families of origin in the West do not conspire to kill their young daughters because they are behaving in modern, western ways, i.e., are dressing in Western clothing, mingling with infidels, planning on higher educations, going on dates, attending parties, expecting to marry someone of their own choosing, etc.
These are all considered crimes of honor, which “dishonor” their families — and if intimidation, beatings, isolation, and stalking (all of which applied in the Shafia household) fail, daughters may then be honor killed.
Khatera Siddiqui (2006) in Kingston, Aqsa Parvez (2007) in Toronto, Amina Said and Sarah Said in Dallas (2008), Nour al-Maliki in Arizona (2009 ), and the three Shafia girls and one Shafia woman (2009) all committed such “crimes,” including refusing to wear hijab and refusing to marry a first cousin. All were murdered by their fathers or by their fathers and brothers. In two instances, their mothers lured them home.
I have to agree, real justice would have been a life sentence for each killing.
That would have been a start. REAL justice would have been the Death Penalty.
Real justice would be to ban the death cult of islam.
Cymbaline I\agree with you this scumbbag should have recived the DEATH sentence !!!Twenty Five years is no PUNISHMENT !! HE will probably enjoy being taken care of and out in twelve years ,Even if it was twety five for each that would not have been just punishment, In the end THIS MAN Will recive HIS JUST PUNISHMENT !!!JESUS SAY”S VENGENCENCE MINE ,I SHALL REPAY !!!
The fact that muslim males use the word honor in the murder of their female family members speaks loudly about their willingness to deceive in order to justify and continue their slaughters.
All of the men realize and fully understand that murdering women is necessary to continue building their evil empire. How else can you sanction a lifestyle that calls lust as holy, rape as justified and the beating of women as a right.
Only by implementing the ‘tool’ of willingness to murder women can men hope to continue in their terror driven supremacy of gender.
The men do understand and acknowledge to each other, that not to be ready to murder females may result in the loss of their rights of great injustice.
They murder, to protect their evil from being abolished. They do not murder to protect any honor.
They do not fool me and they fool fewer every day.
Truth is Islam is a system of laws not a religion. To continue to treat the cult as a religion is dumb.These people are brainwashed idiots that worship some dud from the 6th century.The whole scenario is insane Islam is reinvented whenever appropriate and its become a slap in the face to true religions of the world.
And there you have it, the difference between American, Judeo-Christian values and ethics, and Islam. Islam really should be outlawed.
What a shame these young ladies are not armed against their attackers. That would be the honorable thing, make it a fair fight.
You must understand the people who commit these atrocities are cowards so as a consequence have no honor.
I would have to agree with you. These men are cowards, and they do such horrible things. How can they, for any reason, be allowed to kill anything that G-d created?
I agree with your observation, 100%, that muslim men are cowards and have no honor. It is accepted practice for these exceedingly immature, donkey buggering cowards to LIE to further the demented cult of islam. These reprehensible excuses for humanity should have the Code of Hammurabi practiced upon them as their punishment. Make an example out of them, as they do to the bearers of their future. Bury them alive with dead pigs, after inundating them in pigs blood. Those who do not give mercy should expect none in return.
Thank you for remembering us of such tragedies:
Multiculturalism implies that one (we) has (have) to respect other Cultures, more than one (we) has (have) to respect human lives, and notably, those of the weakest (*) memebers of (human) society, such as (children and) women/females.
Same goes for the Respect of Religions, and/or (religious, atheist, political, whatever) Ideologies:
they appearently have always been more respected than human or living beings themselves. How weird, how deceptive, what a lack of Realism, of Truthfulness.
Lightful/loveful/beautiful life/-ves to Phyllis Chesler and to everyone.
(*) pregnancy and delivering and rearing children puts a woman in a weaker condition, compared to that of an (undependant) man (a mother does depend on the child, as much as the child depends on her – this comes from the Nature, Mother Nature, of from God, Father God, it isn’t something that depends on my personal point of view, or on another’s point of view -). Psychologically and practically the woman is buisy and engaged with the baby, and she is not free (enough) to go out and do other jobs, in order to earn-money-and-buy-goods. This gives to … men … a kind of power upon women (and children included
- though eventually children are those who are the most submitted/subjugated beings of the hierarchical pyramid, and this matter, with its implications, deserves to be more largely discussed -). And this difference about “Freedom’s opportunities” (or “Undependancy’s opportunities”) has been exploited, most probably since the beginning of the times (…), by (hu)mankind – in a disadvantageous way for … women, and children -.
It’s a step in the right direction, but only a small step. The best deal would have been death for the killers, deportation of all relatives (surely the entire family supported the killers in their actions) and confiscation of all property; i.e. send them back as paupers.
The sad irony is that this foul threesome spent so much time during their trial sitting not fifty feet from where individuals like them used to be hanged upon conviction for similar crimes. Mind you, that was many years before rehabilitation was more important than justice.
I’m reminded of this
“Be it so. This burning of widows is your custom; prepare the funeral pile. But my nation has also a custom. When men burn women alive we hang them, and confiscate all their property. My carpenters shall therefore erect gibbets on which to hang all concerned when the widow is consumed. Let us all act according to national customs.” – General Napier on the practice of Sati in India.
The same should be applied here
Islam is a death cult, nothing less, nothing more. It is as if Jim Jones formed an army and led it on a brutal but successful war of conquest of first South America, and then other parts of the world; many converts, but still a death cult orchestrated by a narcissistic lunatic. Islam is Jonestown writ large and long.
The islam prophet Mo is an evil dirtbag. Here’s my depiction of him o:
Don’t expect the feminists to care about women killed in the name of Islam; they’re more likely to be clucking about women supposedly abused on Superbowl Sunday. For liberals, anything placing the religion of peace in a bad light is verboten.
“A quick review suggests that very few articles use the word “Muslim.”
Oh, I’m sorry. These were not “Muslims.” But what did all of these people have in common? They must have been those “evil” Quakers. Yes, we have to watch out for those Quakers. You never know what they’re going to do.
When are people going to acknowledge that there is a serious problem with this religion? Correct me if I’m wrong, but you don’t hear about many Christians on a regular basis slaughtering their entire family because they “dishonored” Christianity. What a bunch of animals.
Please do not insult animals in such a vile manner. Even the slowest witted animal has a purpose on this planet. Muslims do not. In fact, many pigs are infinitely smarter than the average muslim male. They are certainly NOT MEN.
PHYLLIS CHESLER’s done a good job in presenting this article as she’s not only exposing the murderers, but the religion and especially the press as well.
Yes, “the press”. After the Shafia verdict, the Canadian, Jewish-owned National Post (NP) newspaper, whose own, superlative reporter/columnist, Christie Blatchford, had courageously covered this story from day one, copped out. I wrote the following comment at “small dead animals”, a Canadian blog, re the NP’s despicable loss of nerve:
“The National Post’s editorial, ‘Guilty as Charged’ is a disappointing—actually, disgusting, appeasing, PC—cop out.
“From the penultimate paragraph: ‘Indeed, in the days to come, it will be tempting to permit our accumulated frustration and sorrow to erupt in passionate debates about multiculturalism, immigration and the parlous situation of many girls and women in certain communities. But it is also important to remember that the vast majority of immigrants from Middle Eastern and South Asian nations never perpetrate such grisly crimes, regardless of their background. Families such as the Shafias, whose members give in to the evil impulse to kill their own, are the exception.’
“Well, isn’t that just fine? And the NP’s cop out entirely begs the question. Is killing one’s own family members the only issue concerning Islam’s backwardness and brutality? What about the countless women and girls, like the terrified Shafia women, who live as captives? Maybe they’re not dead, but they’re certainly not free. NP: Nothing to see here. Move on. What about all the ‘honour’ killings, like the murders after the Danish cartoon fiasco and 9/11? NP: Nothing to see here. Move on.
“These ‘honour’ killings are ‘individual’ the NP implies. I’m really disappointed at this enabling of a brutal and deadly dangerous culture. And, yes, despite the grovelling of the NP, we should, indeed, ‘in the days to come . . . be tempt[ed] to permit our accumulated frustration and sorrow [and ANGER] to erupt in passionate debates about multiculturalism, immigration and the parlous situation of many girls and women in certain communities.’ If SUN News [Canada’s much less politically correct news organization] does the same ‘dhimmi’ dance, God help us.’ (SUN seems to be OK.)
In contrast to the NP’s advice, we in the West most definitely need a serious debate about “multiculturalism, immigration and the parlous situation of many girls and women in certain communities”. And we need to vigorously both reject multiculturalism and protect the Judeo-Christian values that are the foundation of the rule of law in the West. Giving special status to the barbarism of Islamic culture is suicide. It’s about time our elites smartened up to that fact.
P.S. In Toronto’s public schools, anything to do with Christianity—the very foundation of the Canadian public school systems—is strictly verboten. But, on Friday afternoons, many cafeterias are turned into mini-mosques: in direct contravention of the board’s explicit “Equity Policies”, imams are allowed to conduct Muslim prayers, with Muslim boys and girls excused from the classes they’d normally be attending. (One can only imagine the havoc this wreaks on the timetable and teachers’ obligations to cover the curriculum with all students.) The Muslim students are further segregated: boys at the front, girls at the back. Beyond that beyond are menstruating girls, who must sit at the very back, excluded from the prayers. (I know of Jewish teachers at “Little Mosque in the Cafeteria” schools transferring out. I use that term because Canada’s government-funded, uber left-wing broadcaster, the CBC, has a sycophantic show called, “Little Mosque on the Prairie”: Funny? NOT.) And the equally uber left-wing, “inclusive, tolerant, dedicated to equality” Toronto school board allows this, on the basis of “accommodating” the needs of diverse religions. Of course, no other religion is similarly accommodated. In fact, Christianity is treated exactly like Cinderella before the ball. The hypocrisy in all of this is mind boggling—and altogether unacceptable.
Again, it’s about time our elites smartened up to that fact.
Our “Elites” are among the most ignorant and dangerous members of society. They’ll never be enlightened to reality.
Soccer riots take place in many different countries. But the ferocity of the recent riot in Egypt may well be connected to a culture of violence–the same culture that sets off bombs in mosques and market places in Iraq and Pakistan regularly.
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/02/world/middleeast/scores-killed-in-egyptian-soccer-mayhem.html?_r=1&ref=world
The Middle East seems to have lost it’s value for human life. Especially, if you’re different. Different soccer team, different sex, different religion doesn’t matter. If you’re different you don’t deserve to live… Again sad, really, really sad.
There has never been any value for life since Muhammed’s pestilence sprang from the desert 1300 years ago. To the extent that we in the Christian West have any sense of history at all, it is through a European and largely Roman Catholic lens that we look at the history of the Eastern Roman Empire and the Muslim conquest. Today’s political correctness further distorts the view. The Eastern Roman Empire was rich and vibrant long after the collapse of the Western Empire and for some time even held the rich North African provinces that had been taken from Rome by the Vandals. What is now the North African desert was once the breadbasket of Rome supplying grapes, olives, and wheat. The “modern” Roman Carthage, not the one destroyed by the Romans, was a city of over 100,000 people with extensive public works, aqueducts, etc. The whole of Roman Africa was highly developed and settled by Romans, often retired soldiers.
It took them almost 800 years and some help from Europeans, but the Muslims managed to completely destroy an advanced civilization in the Eastern Roman Empire. Much of the art, architecture, and science that the politically correct so love to give credit to the Muslims for was actually pilfered from the Byzantines and quickly allowed to go to rot and ruin. It should also be remembered that ALL of the Middle East west of Persia, all of North Africa, and all of The Balkans was once Christian. With Muslim conquest the Christians were forced to convert, forced into dhimmitude, or killed, though not to be too kind to the Byzantines many Christians from congregations deemed heretical by the Eastern Church sided with the Muslims because dhimmitude was preferable to persecution as heretics.
In the bluntest terms, Islam is a barbaric cult that has fouled its nest everywhere it has spread. The practice of Islam is fundamentally incompatible with life in the Western world and Muslims will not accept a “live and let live” attitude towards others. One will be a Muslim, a dhimmi, or dead. It may well be too late for the Europeans to effectively resist Muslim conquest and the sooner we in North America accept that we cannot tolerate the practice of this evil cult, the safer we will be.
You presume that such value for life has ever existed in the Middle East. I have to wonder if it ever was so, particularly during the last 1400 years.
The Middle East west of Persia was Roman as were the Balkans south of the Danube and Africa north of the desert (and the desert began much further inland in Roman times). The Romans valued the lives of Roman citizens, slaves and others not so much. The Byzantines likewise valued the lives of their citizens and Christians that held to the true faith as they defined it, others not so much, though the Byzantines don’t seem to have ever been as gratuitously brutal as the Western Romans could be. Muslims have never shown any respect for any life other than that of Muslim males.
I’ve been listening to the Canadian media and noticing how this tragedy is slowly being disassociated from anything Islamic. First is the jury challenge for supplying a verdict after only a few hours, and then the language which is changing to suggest this is domestic violence rather than Islam approved honour killing. While I’m delighted they were found them guilty on all counts, the judgement should have included confiscation of all their assets, and deportation of the entire family. This would have sent a huge signal to the Muslim community that these killings will not be tolerated. My greatest hope is that despite the media downplaying this to domestic violence, that there will be some dialogue to realistically identify and thus begin to eliminate this blight from our country. There is always hope!
You are obviously NOT Canadian. The Canadian media never referred to this case as domestic violence. The Crown’s whole case rested on the concept of honour in Afghanistan and the Afghani tribal belief system which encourages the killing of any female suspected of tarnishing the family’s honour.
Canadian juries are most certainly not “challenge[d] for[sic] supplying a verdict after only a few hours”. Canadian juries take as long as they need to reach a decision. In this particular case the jury was sequestered for only a short time because they reached consensus very quickly. Finally, their decision was based on Canadian law – not American law – 25 years is the maximum sentence in Canada – no matter how long the jury is out. This is Canada and we do things our way. (refer to comment 18 for more information)
One more item: A life sentence in Canada means 25 years without parole. After 25 years, an inmate may apply for a parole hearing (I think once every two years) but there is no assurance whatsoever that parole will be granted. The only exception is the “faint hope clause” which allows a prisoner to leave prison earlier than 25 years. A minimum number of years must pass before a “faint hope hearing” will be considered and…it is uncommon, doesn’t occur frequently, to say the least.
You are right that the main stream media says….this tragedy is slowly being disassociated from anything Islamic.
That would be the CBCs and CTV’s and CNNs of the world but thankfully we have the Sun News Network that does not shy away at all from calling this what it is….AN HONOUR KILLING.
NBC News with Brian Williams completely avoided using “Islam” and “Muslim” in their version of this.
Williams isn’t alone. The ABC, CBS, NBC, PBS and CNN crowd all skirt around the role of Islam when violence is concerned. Their tune is quite different when a story can be spun to portray the Muslim as the victim.
That’s just sick. Brian’s so condescending and wrong – I avoid any channels with *NBC*.
The women are still dead. Islam is incompatible with civilization.
Using the words ‘honor’ and ‘killing’ together disgusts me. If it has to be an H word, let be horror.
I had a similar reaction!
Murderer should be punished by death sentence
Real justice will seek its own honor for these men. As part of their prison experience, they’ll learn the value of ‘choice’ while licking their ankles.
Phyllis, 25 years is the longest sentence in Canada. This is our law. We do not have capital punishment. This is also our law. Canada is not the United States just because we speak English and are next door to you. We have our own philosophies and culture. Canada, unlike the U.S., did not begin as a colony of fundamental Christians. Our laws and our values are not founded on the Protestant Work Ethic.
25 years in Kingston Peniteniary will be 25 years in hell. The boy will certainly become someone’s girlfriend almost immediately – for the next 25 years he can experience what it is like to have no control over your life or your sexuality. The father is not likely to be anyone’s bedmate, but he will be contolled, humiliated and almost certainly beaten by fellow inmates – child killers and Muslims being right at the bottom of the prison hierarchy. As for Mum…well they need bedmates on the women’s side and she’s not that old and properly submissive. And women inmates have one really, really big taboo – you don’t kill your kids. Trust me, I worked in a maximum security Canadian prison for five years. Tooba will not be having fun.
By the time they get out, the parents will be old – their lives almost over – even the son will be in his late 40s.
Canada has shown that it will not tolerate honour killings – our government made that very clear in their revised information for people thinking of immigrating to Canada – and unlike the U.S. we call it what it is – not domestic violence – honour killing.
All that you say is true but two exceptional items: 1) They will all probably be kept in solitary confinement and not be allowed to integrate into the general prison population as it would be too dangerous for them. 2) For the women, lesbian sex, at least physical comforting, tends, in most cases, to occur voluntarily in womens’ prisons.
According to the Minister for Immigration, all three members of the family will be immediately deported when they are finally released.
Special circumstances which may halt deportations for others (war, famine, etc.) do not apply in their case.
The information about deportation is very good news. Could you please provide a source. Many thanks.
My source for information from our Minister for Immigration is The National Post – sorry, I can’t remember the date – shortly after the conviction – you can search under Shafia in their database.
If I am still on this planet to see it, I will be very surprised if those people are ever deported — that is if they aren’t Canadian citizens.
REMINDER, Canada is a country that has never deported one of the palestinian terrorists of the Achille Lauro (Dec. 1985) who murdered an American citizen, by tossing him in his wheelchair into the sea.
This terrorist was ordered deported in 1988. He still resides in Brantford, Ontario (Wayne Gretzsky’s home town, for the hockey minded reader — 50 miles west of Buffalo, NY). He’s had kids (Canadian born) and a very nice life, thank you.
WHAT AN INJUSTICE it would be if he had to face an American jury. Very unfair!
America was colonized by fundamentalist Christians? I don’t think so. The fundamentalist movement began in the late 1800′s.
That was a reply to 18 Anon, but something went horribly wrong.
America was most certainly colonized by fundamentalist Christians. Think, Pilgrims (1620), Quackers,Puritans, the 13 colonies(witch burnings???). These were fundamentalist Christian sects – I suggest you read The Protestant Work Ethic. The United States is the birth place of some of the most bizarre Christian sects ever devised by man. It’s rather pathetic that a Canadian knows more about your country’s history than you do.
No witch burnings in the U.S. or the colonies from which it was formed — ever. You probably have a dim memory of the English statute De heretico comburendo.
The colloquial term for Friends is “Quakers”, not “Quackers”. You probably have a dim memory of “duckspea” from 1984.
The U.S. was formed from a number of colonies besides Massachusetts and the defunct Plymouth, including Catholic Maryland, Cavalier Virginia, and convict Georgia. You probably have a dim memory of wishing that the northern colonies had had the good sense to join also.
It’s pathetic when a Canadian shows his ignorance of history.
Oh,Honey — I don’t think so. Try again.
@ Anonymous There is nothing wrong with fundamentalist Christians. Definitely”low” church but not bizarre. That came later and if we’re talking bizarre religions,I remember the Doukhobors from Canada. They were/are a Christian sect who are anti-war. Their protests took the form of parades with the women being topless. That would have been in the 40s and 50s that I remembered them.
There has never been a “witch” burned at the stake in the United States.
Akatsukami: so sorry that my typo offended you – I am fully aware that they are The Religious Society of Friends and that the correct spelling is Quaker. They are still a sect.
Re: Witch burnings (used as a figure of speech) Should you be at all interested the # of “witches” pressed to death in Salem : one. # of “witches” hung at Gallows Hill, 1692: nineteen. Another dozen died in prison. Thirty-two persons out of a population of approx. 600. I suppose that is better than burning – with the exception of being pressed to death.
Re: the Doukhobors. The group you are referring to (Russian immigrants) were a sub-sect of the Doukhobors called the Sons of Freedom. Only about 200 of the 2500 Sons of freedp, were ever actively involved in burning and public nudity. The most damage they did was to themselves. Their children were taken away from them and taken to live in residential camps.
Iluvtea: perhaps your family member should remain at home if he finds our country uncomfortable. Rather like your past Governor of California, Arnold S., who so rudely and racistly referred to my city as Hongcouver.
Canada has a huge multicultural population and I think that it is time that Americans understood that “Multiculturalism” is embedded in our Charter of Rights and Freedoms. It is the law.
Fundamentalist Islamists are not welcome in Canada – neither are any other terror groups – but people of any ethnicity or religion are welcome here provided that they are prepared to live by our rules. For years I lived in a community that was largely Ismaili – our children played together, went to school together and the parents were friends. My son’s best friend was Ismaili – and we are Jews committed to Israel – everyone got along.
As I have mentioned before, the government information for immigrants to Canada stresses zero tolerance for many practices common in Muslim countries.
I’m Canadian too and I totally disagree with Anonymous, who writes, “Canada has a huge multicultural population and I think that it is time that Americans understood that ‘Multiculturalism’ is embedded in our Charter of Rights and Freedoms. It is the law. [Poor us.]
Fundamentalist Islamists are not welcome in Canada [sic] – neither are any other terror groups [sic] – but people of any ethnicity or religion are welcome here provided that they are prepared to live by our rules [sic].” Anonymous must live in an isolated cave in the wilderness to think this. (Or s/he’s a card carrying member of the loony left.)
Here’s the deal: both the Charter of Rights and Freedoms—only for certain groups—brought to us, in 1982, by our Obama, Pierre Elliot Trudeau, and multiculturalism have divided Canadians along all kinds of lines and have seriously weakened our national identity and security.
In a nutshell, while marginalizing and demonizing the Judeo-Christian moral code (Alinsky method, right?), the Charter, via group identity (“the historically disadvantaged”), has promoted social liberalism, which has normalized, then sanctioned, then legitimized anti-social, to abnormal, to criminal behaviours. The Charter also gave our courts supremacy over our legislatures and removed Lady Justice’s blindfold.
The Charter and multiculturalism have been used as a battering ram to deconstruct moral and social norms in this country. E.g., Under this hugely destructive and discriminatory dispensation, people like the Shafias have largely been allowed to practise both polygamy and domestic serfdom with impunity, often supported by generous state funding. (The Shafia girls all appealed to Canadian authorities—teachers, police, and social workers—but, because of the cultural norms of Isalm, which no one dared to question, they were left to their appalling fate. Some rights and freedoms!)
That Anonymous, a Jew, I believe, actually thinks that the Charter and state-enforced multiculturalism are good things in Canada is beyond me. As far as I’m concerned, both Canada and the USA have to push back very hard against the deconstructionist progressives who are close to ruining our countries by their propensity to promote state restriction and regulatation of legitimate rights and freedoms at every turn.
Multiculturalism as a legal mandate is almost as ridiculous as our Human Rights Commission.
Trudeau’s fundamental transformation of Canada was complete before 0′s Harvard degree was granted to him. They share the mantle of being each country’s worst leader in their respective histories.
America needs to get on the stick!!! We seem to be in DENIAL about the ‘ways’ and laws of Islam and Sharia. Ours is a country with one set of laws and constitution, and should NOT include any opinion or law from any other country or source. If you’re here in America, then you abide by our laws just as we have to abide by others when we’re on their soil.
I lived in the Middle East for years. Please…”Wake Up America”!
I’m glad that Canada at least tried the case; just wish the punishment had fit the crime! Multiculturalism is fine if defined as many cultures living together and following the law of the country they’re living in; otherwise trying to govern a country by multicultural laws, values, and traditions is NEVER going to work!!!
You live here, you abide by our rules, regulations, laws, values, customs and traditions and language…not yours. If our ‘ways’ are not acceptable or suitable for you, then perhaps you need to leave…please don’t come here and try to make us like the place you left!!!
May each one of these rats rot in hell where they belong.
Would it be the fact that the youngest victim was only 13 years of age provoke someone in the prison to serve these thugs the same fate they delivered to these innocent female family members.
So pathetic, how hard is it for full grown man to kill a 13-year-old innocent girl? These people are disgusting.
Each one of these thugs should hang.
I hope the other prisoners will dole out some just reward to them; I’ve heard as much in the states–the murder/abuse of a child (the youngest was 13 in this case) can provoke some harsh–read–justified, attack on the part of other prisoners.
Here’s hoping this transpires.
Sister Hawk, while I understand your feelings, 2 wrongs never make a right.
Sister Hawk’s spot on. These evil thugs should suffer the consequenses of their actions. It’s not 2 wrongs – it’s crime and punishment.
Phyllis,
Another riveting article by you. I simply cannot stop reading you.
However here, why do you write in such a moderate tone. Perhaps you don’t feel as if I did, and perhaps, as a male, I am simply having a particularly strong reaction to the horrid and vicious nature of PREMEDITATED killings which are much much much different than killing in the heat of the moment. And likely, as a professional in your field, you must adopt an air of decorum.
And yes, you do point that out — that “honor killings” (and like the above commenter, I detest using those words together) cannot possibly be compared with “domestic violence!” But I’d use far stronger words: these comparisons between “HK” and domestic violence (even where the latter results in death) are patently ridiculous on their face! Two seconds of analysis by any rational person will reveal this fact.
To compare domestic violence (a horrible thing which, thankfully the US has responded to for the most part) to the PREMEDITATED murder of an easily manipulated and scared female family member…. it baffles me! It sickens me!
It displays the worst of Muslim “Taqiyya.” It paints a grossly different picture of Motherly protection (of her children) than that to which we take for granted in the West. As a Muslim female, you are never far from being marked for death if you stray or cannot be sloughed off into a marriage that has been bartered over and negotiated as two men would the trade-in value of a used car!
PREMEDITATION — this is a characteristic of a murder that is rightly separated out in our justice system on purpose. Separate charges can be filed (by “THE PEOPLE” — that’s us) in premeditation murders because they arguably involve NO EMOTION or they’ve “been drained of” or have nothing anymore to do with emotion (the only real mitigating factor other than mental disease in a murder).
When planned out over time, heated emotion has ample chances to dissipate. Premeditation means cold and calculated, sometimes over months or years and a premeditated murder simply cannot, A PRIORI, be compared to killing in the heat of the moment.
It’s just beyond me that we have allowed this scourge… this sick disease into our country. And for G-d’s sake YES: it’s done my MUSLIMS MUSLIMS MUSLIMS, a thousand times over MUSLIMS.
As a name I recognize above (LibertyShip) mentions, Quakers do NOT do this!? Mormons do NOT do this!? NO GROUP but Muslims do this sick thing which directly rebuts Western Values — even more: it’s a stake into the heart of our culture!
And while individuals may do this, again, the only GROUP which does this is
M U S L I M S.
1. Canada gains 300,000 new immigrants a year, about 1% of the total population of the country, equivalent to 3,000,000 legal immigrants per year to the USA with full rights to “entitlements”.
2. Most of these people settle where they find countrymen (a most logical destination) in Canada’s three largest cities, which house 50% of its total population (Montreal, Toronto, Vancouver). Imagine that 150,000,000 Americans lived in only New York, Los Angeles and Chicago.
3. As a result of policies implemented 30 years ago, most of those people come from places that commonly don’t like Jews, Americans, Christians and white persons of a European background in that order.
4. Having sold commercial and residential real estate on the streets of Toronto for 25 years before immigrating to the USA — and thereby being in hundreds if not thousands of people’s homes — I wonder not that this sort of mass honor killing happened, but that it didn’t happened sooner.
5. The issue is NOT the immigration policy, though DEMAND for housing is one reason why Canada has some of the least affordable housing in the developed world. That’s another issue. The problem is that some folks coming to Canada are not discouraged from leaving their barbaric habits and mores in their country of birth. Indeed, government grants have been available for years to found “community centers” in new suburban areas which often house a mosque of the islamicist variety.
6. Because of Canada’s welfare state, there has been ample “free money” in the form of baby bonus payments, free medical care, “mother’s allowance”, welfare, unemployment payments, housing subsidies and numerous other hand out payments to ensure that rather than working, a number of new Canadians have been able to use their time in Canada to create the sort of mischief that they left their homelands to get away from.
A family member travels to Canada quite often on business and he is appalled to see that where he was in Canada looked more like the Middle East. I’m interested to know what the average Canadian thinks about that. It seems as though after Pierre Trudeau was elected PM the whole country started sliding downhill.
I agree with you! See my Reply to Anonymous @ #20.
Trudeau and his Charter have everything to do with the dumbing down of Canada. Thank goodness for the Conservative government and our fine PM, Stephen Harper, and his superlative Minister of Citizenship, Immigration and (ugh) Multiculturalism, Jason Kenney. Like the good fairies in Sleeping Beauty, the Conservatives, who finally have a majority government, are turning back some of the Liberals’—our Democrats—most egregious initiatives. E.g., Kenney has banned the wearing of the burqa or niqab during citizenship ceremonies: a good first step.
Look northwards and you will see the way of the future in the United States….
Interestingly, the mainstream media in NZ managed to report the outcome without mentioning the family was Muslim. They headlined it “polygamus honour killing” -could have been Afgani Mormons! Admittedly a follow-up did mention Muslims, but only to say the killings were condemned by Canadian Muslim groups.
RE: DEPORTATION OF SHAFIA 3 (sorry, information not from the Minister of Imm. but from an immigration lawyer and former Canadian immigration officer)
EXCERPT FROM: THE NATIONAL POST. January 29, 2012/revised January 30, 2012
Once the Shafias complete their prison sentences, they are likely to be deported to Afghanistan, according to a lawyer and former Canadian immigration officer.
Raj Sharma, who practices in a large Calgary law firm that specializes in immigration cases, said the Canadian government temporarily suspends removals to some countries where there are natural disasters or war that put people at risk, but those provisions don’t apply to the Shafias.
“They would be removed to Afghanistan,” Sharma said, in a telephone interview from Calgary. “The temporary suspension of removals doesn’t help them.”
He pointed to a section of the Immigration Act that provides that anyone who is convicted of a serious crime is not subject to the temporary suspensions.
“We deport people to Sudan and Somalia and other hellholes including Haiti and we would deport to Afghanistan as well,” said Sharma, who also is an advocate of tough punishment for honour crimes.
Deporting these mass murderers back to Afghanistan would be heaven to them. They would be welcomed as heroes by the Taliban rulers.
If Canada has any sensible criminal justice system, we wouldn’t have to worry about these bastards going anywhere for the rest of their lives.
I’d like to see a story about the Achilles Lauro killer living in Canada, and why he is still free?
SOmetimes you can take a barbarian out of his environment/culture, but you can’t take the environment/culture out of the barbarian.
Another example of Canada’s multicultural insensitivity. Is honor killing not a hallowed Muslim tradition, indeed a component of Sahri’a and sanctioned by the Holy Quran? Canada is ruthlessly imposing its Crusader values on these devout people only doing God’s will.
How coincidental that the very day this article is published on PJM I read another story of the large number of Western Women, particularly in Europe, who are converting to Islam. Something about the “peace and beauty” or some such nonsense. All that is well and good right up until the moment one of these Western converts decides to actually marry a Muslim man. That is, as they say, a game changer. But these women who are so hopelessly and breathlessly stupid they throw away their lives don’t deserve any sympathy; they have chosen to live as slaves and are at the same time condemning their female children to a life of servitude
Not to sound politically correct but you can’t make one statement about all Muslims or about all Muslim beliefs. The followers of Aga Khan are worldwide. They are secretive about their own religious practices but always peaceful in their dealings with their neighbours and, as well, they evince genuine interest in their communities. They are sometimes targetted by other, more aggressive, Muslim groups and movements, however.
The coverage of the Shafia family murders were quite extensive and deliberate here in Canada especially during the trial phase itself. Journalists left no doubt that the accused parties and the dead females were all Muslims from the same family structure. Several highranking Muslims, i.e., Ottawa imam Sammy Metwally, came forward and discussed the crises in the Canadian Muslim world which led to these reprehensible acts and others and declared that new immigrants to Canada were required to honour the Canadian way of life and culture and that crimes were not in keeping with the Muslim way of life. As to that last statement, one must be aware that passages in the Koran and subsequent Hadiths are subject to various interpretations including some which we, Canadians, find the most compellingly evil.
The parents including the brother of the three girls murdered by these vermin should in reality be executed for this horrendous crime of ‘Family Honour’ there is absolutely no excuse whatsoever for such a dastardly crime in the name of religion, religion in this case being Islam. What kind of religion espouses this inexcusable act of murder for the sole purpose of preserving both the family honour and the faith of Islam. The practice of family honour is alive and well today in many parts of the Arab and Islamic world, unfortunately even practised amongst some Sikhs.
When Muslims become citizens of non-Muslims western countries they must accept the ways of the western culture, if they will not adapt to the western-way of life in their new adopted countries their citizenship should be revoked and deported promptly back from wherever they originated from.
What contributions have these troublemakers made to the welfare of their adopted lands, I can tell you that many of them have contributed to the misery of the well established and integrated Jewish communities in France, Belgium, Holland, Sweden, Norway and Denmark and to a lesser degree in the United-Kingdom & Switzerland. I am fed up to the teeth with western pandering to these trouble-makers, when will the west finally wake up from their deep slumber and do something about Muslim hatred directed towards the Judeo-Christian way of life.
In response to heweeps: there is nothing wrong with meting out justice.
It is so a propos to simply ignore the context in which something–in this case–three “honor” killings, occured.
The punishments Shafia got is justified they will spend their lives in prison. I highly doubt they will ever be accepted for parole. For those Americans who have no idea Canada is multicultural it is part of our culture and is part of being Canadian. We are very fortunate to have a very diverse group of people in Canada. The Conservatives (Equivalent to Democrats Politically)are making backwards progress by restricting the freedom of people entering the country one example would be making it illegal to wear the hijab or burkha when taking the oath of citizenship. This is disgusting and hopefully can be reversed the Conservative government hopefully will lose the next election to the NDP (Social Democrats and the Opposition)and this horrible law can be removed. For those of you who speak ill of Islam i would suggest you go to a Muslim community and actually learn something, go to a mosque, and read the Qur’an you will see completely differently.
So finally, Anonymous removed her Burqa, and now shows herself as a “Canadian Muslim”…here in Canada this, here in Canada that.
People don’t need to go to a mosque, or Muslim community, to learn about their discriminatory practices, or the hate that exudes from their evil book, coming from a deranged, so-called prophet.
Multiculturalism was imposed on Canada by a radical leftwing Prime Minister named Pierre Trudeau.
It was just a gimmick to attract the ethnic vote.
It does not represent me or most real Canadians. It is no more part of Canadian identity then medicare is.
It is the Conservatives under Stephen Harper that are rescuing this country from the multicultural mess created by the Liberals.
To our friend anonymous: I think you have a great idea about reading the Quran. But perhaps you should not be so anxious to see people become more knowledgeable about Islam as they might start to ask the govt why we are letting people into the country who believe that women are inferior and can be killed for not obeying their parents.
Or how about the parts that talk about Jews being like apes and pigs or that gays should be executed ( In Britain there is a muslim group that has been actively promoting that idea right now).
And of course my personal favorite Quranic dictate, ” Do not take a Jew or a Christian as a friend.”
Also I believe that Mohammed’s last words before he died were to curse the Christians and Jews who refused to follow him.
Yes anonymous you are so right. Canadians need to become more knowledgeable.
I see you have been reading Saudi Arabian textbooks and not the actual Qur’an. Trudeau was a Canadian hero and multiculturalism is Canadian it is part of our identity. He did because that was the right thing to do we respect their culture, they differently for us and follow a different religion but they are still Canadian. Conservatives especially the far right on these websites need to be more knowledgeable about Islam.
More knowledgeable? Islam speak for itself. Don’t you see it? If you choose to be blind…isn’t it your problem? Multiculturalism was imposed on Canada, as it is being imposed on the US. It has ruined parts of Europe already. Why don’t you go to Saudi Arabia and teach them multiculturalism? Teach it also in Pakistan where millions of Hindus have finally “vanished” in thin air. Try it in Afghanistan where they destroyed the Buddhist monuments and throw acid on the faces of girls who want to go to school. May I remind you what Swami Vivekananda wrote in his “Raja Yoga”, page 80. The Koran is a hateful text. Think of the millions massacred through its teachings, the great evil done through its fanaticism! Yes, there are some wonderful truths in the Koran, but they are mixed with hate and superstition.
Well, Anonymous, I now realize, among other things, that you’re a brainwashed, NDP idiot.
My family has been in Canada for over 200 years, so I know a thing or two about the history of this country. Canada’s Obama, Trudeau, paved the road for subversives like you to flood our country. Finally, we have a political party, the Conservatives, in a majority government position to start pushing back the tide of the undeserved privilege fifth columnists like you have had for far too long: you’ve taken full advantage of this, and have used our laws and customs against the generous Judeo-Christian culture/people that/who welcomed you.
I’d say, “Shame on you.” But parasites and subversives of your ilk have no capacity to feel that emotion. I believe that the Conservatives will reclaim our country from people like you—thank God. If you don’t like that, please feel free to return to your country of origin, where no religion other than Islam is accepted. In fact, other religions and their followers are either banned, seriously persecuted, or eradicated.
Buzz off!
So you even hate European immigrants that came here over 50 years ago.
What I’ve never been able to understand is why is it not a dishonor to the family name to be arrested, tried, and adjudged a homicidal animal when you do stuff like this? Do these fathers, brothers and mothers not understand that everyone in the society around them will hate them for the rest of their lives, or is the concept of “infidel” so strong that they simply don’t care, and are content to spend decades in a small cell being ordered around minute-by-minute by said infidels? It just does not compute. But then I don’t understand how cats think, either.
Anonymous, @ 12:49 p.m.: what a ridiculous statement. In a word, NO. Read what I’ve written and pay attention.
“position to start pushing back the tide of the undeserved privilege fifth columnists like you have had for far too long: you’ve taken full advantage of this, and have used our laws and customs against the generous Judeo-Christian culture/people that/who welcomed you. How I have I used my laws and customs against the “generous Judeo-Christian culture/people”?
“But parasites and subversives of your ilk have no capacity to feel that emotion. I believe that the Conservatives will reclaim our country from people like you—thank God. If you don’t like that, please feel free to return to your country of origin, where no religion other than Islam is accepted. In fact, other religions and their followers are either banned, seriously persecuted, or eradicated.”
Well thanking the same god Muslims worship aswell. How am I suppose to return to my home country I’m Canadian, I was born here so were my parents. I also don’t remember Islam being the only religion accepted in the UK.
Look up the word, “lawfare”: it’s about how Muslim subversives—a guy like imam, Syed Soharwardy, in Alberta—use Western laws to try and impose Sharia on free citizens in the West. It’s about British Columbia taxi drivers who refuse to transport people with liquor or dogs—and are allowed to get away with it. It’s about Muslims who are allowed to have prayer services, with an imam, during school hours in a secular jurisdiction—the Toronto District School Board. Christianity in the same board? One’s barely allowed to mention it, let alone practise it. There are tens of thousands of examples of this special privilege. One reason: the fear of Muslim reprisals. It’s hardly the religion of peace. (That Muslims say so is pure taqiya.)
Are there mosques in the West? Thousands. Christian churches in Islamic countries? Very few that haven’t been destroyed. (Jews aren’t even allowed to enter these countries.) So, Islam bullies every other religion all over the world. This is now happening in the Western world. If you don’t see this, your eyes are wide shut.
(Perhaps I misinterpreted your remark, but, as a Christian, I most certainly do not worship the same God as Muslims do.)
yes you worship the same god just in a different way in fact Christians, Jews and Muslims all worship one god, the same god they all stem form it and they all connected. No you cannot impose Sharia Law on free citizens and I cannot even find anything about it except an Imam who was beaten in Saudi Arabia. The taxi driver has every right to do that it’s his cab after all. I’ve heard these stories before and know lots of people who have gone to these schools they are lead by students not Imams and as stated in the Holy Qur’an you must pray several times a day as this is it’s purpose I see no problem with it unless they start forcing it on other students. There were Muslims reprisals to this to but they were to get imams to speak out AGAINST domestic violence and honour killings. It is wrong that they persecute Christians in those countries but why should we do the same to Muslims?
This is a continuation: The only thing I can find about Syed Soharwardy is that he denounced honour killings and domestic violence nothing about spreading Sharia.
Oh dear.
In a nutshell, Anonymous, your post here is garbage and utterly distasteful—like a pig sty or rabid dog, I might say. How you can write such easily refuted drivel . . .well, yes, I do know how you can.
On top of using the Muslim practice of taqiya—lying to forward the goals of Islam—Anonymous, who somehow knows how to get and comment here, is apparently unable to do a simple Google search—more taqiya, I fear.
E.g., Anonymous says s/he can’t find anything about Imam Soharwardy doing anything other than his very recent condemnation of “honour killings”, or about Muslim taxi drivers not doing their jobs, or about the Toronto District School Board allowing imams to conduct Muslim prayers on school property during instruction time.
1) Re Imam Soharwardy’s nefarious use of our-laws-against-us behaviour, try this (among countless others):
http://ezralevant.com/2008/02/syed-soharwardy-wants-a-hudna.html
2) At Google, all I had to type in was, “Muslim taxi drivers refusing . . .” and up came a load of examples from around the world: Muslim taxi drivers refusing to transport blind people with guide dogs, refusing to transport Jews going to synagogues, refusing to transport citizens with liquor. . . . (And, Anonymous—Ignoramus, too, I’m afraid—most taxi drivers are not self-employed. Most work for regulated companies and, by following Sharia law, rather than the laws of the countries they chose to come to, these Muslim adherents are both practising unjustified discrimination and not honouring the regulations they are bound to. Look at this (among countless others):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eYdqlWcoh3I
3) Muslim prayers in the Toronto District School Board, a “secular system” are, in fact, led by imams. Read this from Sun News, July, 2011:
‘TORONTO – Hindus from across Toronto plan to protest outside a North York, Ont., middle school until controversial Friday prayer sessions for 400 Muslim students are stopped.
‘The Canadian Hindu Advocacy is one of a number of Toronto-area groups opposed to the 30- to 40-minute services held in the cafeteria of Valley Park Middle [and other] School[s] from November to March.
‘An imam from a local mosque is brought to school to head the service, officials said. During the service, male students are made to sit in front of the girls. . . .
‘”There’s not supposed to be any religious classes taking place in public schools,” Banerjee said. “We will be asking the board to stop the practice.”
‘He said school officials stopped students from reciting the Lord’s Prayers years ago and his group will picket the Muslim classes if the practice isn’t stopped. . . .’
Read more (among countless others) at:
http://www.sunnewsnetwork.ca/sunnews/canada/archives/2011/07/20110704-164201.html
Anonymous, you and your parents may have been born in Canada, but you’ve certainly ingested the “Muslims are better than everyone else in the whole world” and “Do what we say or else” pill.
What I notice about Islam is:
“If you live in a Muslim country, you must live the Sharia way we tell you—you unworthy infidel—or we’ll punish you.”
And, having one’s own way, all the time, everywhere:
“If you live in a Western or other non-Muslim country, you must live the Sharia way we tell you—you unworthy infidel—or we’ll punish you.”
What’s honourable about that?
(BTW, despite what Anonymous/Ignoramus says, Allah is NOT the God I worship. I do worship the G_d/God of Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, and Jesus. This G_d/God, a stern but loving Father, honours justice and mercy, truth and forgiveness, attributes quite definitely absent in both Allah and Islam.)
Are there no more General Napier’s in the civilized world?
I’m a muslim lebanese girl who was born and raised in Canada. This is not part of islam what so ever, no where in the quran does it permit this but sadly people combine culture with religion. I am offended that this family would even be called muslim. Would you call hitler a true christian? no because his actions were not christian and this families actions are not associated with islam. I hate hearing cases like this and wonder what Quran do these people read!? since I have read the Quran and none of their actions are acceptable. “Killing one person is like killing all of man kind” this family and any other family like them is corrupted and only God “ALlah” will punish them for there sins. Islam denounces honour killing and domestic violence and man arent even allowed to even push their wives this coming from Islam but the culture has changed it to suite their actions. Also about sharia law no ones trying to being it into the west and if you truly believe that than you are lead by fear which the media and hate filled people use to scare you and have an excuse for their actions in the middle east. I denounce violence and honour killing and Live in peace with all my fellow human. When I see cases like this I wonder how these people can live with themselves and often religion is the the case but the people themselves. The actions of these people are not islamic and have no core in our religion its like saying Robert Pickton is a true christian. Sharia law will never enter the west and I am happy with the Canadian laws they are a representation of how the laws should be in middle eastern countries because I truly believe they fit the islamic justice and law system.
- Norma
Howdy Norma!
1) [I’m a muslim lebanese girl who was born and raised in Canada] This could be interpreted as a blessing, the result of previous meritorious Karmas (Prarabdha Karma). Canada being one of the best countries in the world, and one with the lowest collective pain body, and one with the purest Sanchita Karma.
2) [Would you call hitler a true christian?] Who would call Hitler a true, or simply, a Christian? Hitler was an atheist, and an Asura (a demon). Possessed and truly the Anti-Christ. Churchill was his nemesis (a mighty Vibhuti, according to the definition in the Baghavad Gita).
3) [I hate hearing cases like this and wonder what Quran do these people read!? since I have read the Quran and none of their actions are acceptable] I am sorry, but this simply won’t do. Have you heard the English saying: “The proof of the pudding is in the eating”. Even allowing for the fact that scripture language is often parabolic, and given to different interpretations, there is in the Koran specific hateful language of discrimination against non-Muslims and women, but the proof being in the eating, see for yourself what is going on. Islam is based on depressing women, and its founder, Mohammed, although often spiritually illuminated, was a deranged murderer. Would anyone, really in his/her sane judgement, place Mohammed in the same level as, let’s say, Jesus or Buddha? Think about that. Many, though, really believe that is Hitler the one that could be placed at Mohammed’s level.
4) [When I see cases like this I wonder how these people can live with themselves and often religion is the the case but the people themselves] You are our hope. Many of us hope that Muslims will think like you, so that we can all live together without having a hateful religion that tries to impose itself on others. But don’t listen to me, look at the pudding, in Saudi Arabia women can’t drive. Notice the status of women in Afghanistan, most everywhere in the Islamic world.
So I say, with the Upanishad:
Asato ma sad gamaya (From untruth lead me to truth)
Tamaso ma jyotir gamaya (From darkness lead me to light)
Mrtyor ma amritam gamaya (From death lead me to immortality)