Ground Zero Mosque Would Desecrate the Memory of 9/11 Victims
It’s impossible to imagine a Japanese temple being built in the vicinity of Pearl Harbor in 1951. Yet there is a proposal for a grandiose mosque/community center, 13 stories high, to be built just two blocks from the World Trade Center, the site where the most horrific attack on American soil occurred. On September 11, 2001, nearly 3,000 people lost their lives at the hands of Islamic extremists. Since perception is reality, it seems very audacious and insensitive on the part of those behind this project. (This author sent numerous emails and made numerous phone calls to the organizers requesting a response and was referred to a press release.)
Many 9/11 family members view Ground Zero as a cemetery and sacred ground. Debra Burlingame is the sister of Charles “Chic” Burlingame III, the pilot of the American Airlines plane that crashed into the Pentagon on 9/11. She is a prominent spokesperson for the 9/11 families and a co-founder of Keep America Safe. Burlingame told PJ Media: “I am appalled the 9/11 attack, the death of my fellow human beings, is being used to further an all-encompassing Islamic ideology. Those people who killed my brother believed in that ideology as well.”
The name for this project, the Cordoba Initiative, does not represent multi-religious attitudes as the organizers claim. Clare Lopez, a fellow at the Center for Security Policy whose expertise includes Islam, commented that this is not an example of interfaith dialogue. She pointed out that in Cordoba (the capital of Spain during the Middle Ages), pogroms were committed against the Jews, and both Jews and Christians had to pay a protection tax.
Mayor Michael Bloomberg said in a radio address: “If somebody wants to build a religious house of worship, they should do it and we shouldn’t be in the business of picking which religions can and which religions can’t. I think it’s fair to say if somebody was going to try to on that piece of property build a church or a synagogue, nobody would be yelling and screaming.” I think the mayor got it wrong. Cordoba was not a place that espoused religious freedom, and the fact is that neither Jews nor Christians had the insensitivity to build a house of worship on such a sacred site.
It seems to me that it is a very bad idea to have a mosque at ground zero.
It encourages muslims to remain insensitive to others.
Also, muslim mosques quickly become no-go areas, where any non-muslim can be attacked. Look thoughout Europe and that is the direction it goes in.
On Fox News earlier today, I thought, I heard Liz Trotta {a great reporter} say the Man who heads the New York Mosque, was on a State Sponsored trip to Islamic countries. Did I hear correctly? Is our Government sponsoring him, or have I misinterpreted the remark I heard?
You heard correctly. American taxpayers are paying for this. Why aren’t you taking to the streets, as is necessary?????
the site of the new mosque is not going to be two miles from ground zero, its only about two blocks, get your facts together, if Bloomberg had a close related person killed in 9-11 would he still feel the same way?
Luna: it’s not just helf a block from Ground Zero, it is actually PART of Ground Zero. The landing gear of on the the 9/11 airplanes came off and struck the Billington store.
On September 11, 2001, nearly 3,000 people lost their lives at the hands of Islamic extremists.
There was nothing extreme at all about the 9/11/2001 terrorist attacks or the people that perpetrated those attacks since they were doing what their religion obligates them to do.
Debra Burlingame is the sister of Charles “Chic” Burlingame III, the pilot of the American Airlines plane that crashed into the Pentagon on 9/11. She is a prominent spokesperson for the 9/11 families and a co-founder of Keep America Safe. Burlingame told Pajamas Media: “I am appalled the 9/11 attack, the death of my fellow human beings, is being used to further an all-encompassing Islamic ideology. Those people who killed my brother believed in that ideology as well.”
Very well said Ms Burlingame, Islam besides being just a religion, is also an ideology, a very totalitarian ideology that seeks world domination, and therefore is not protected under the first amendment of the constitution or any other amendment of the constitution for that matter. Therefore, not only must the ground zero supremacist mega mosque be stopped, but also all mosques building in the USA must be outlawed and stopped as well.
The most effective arguments for building the ground zero supremacist mega mosque the Muslims and their Leftist allies are using is the religious freedom argument and the argument that if Muslims can’t build mosques, then Christians and Jews will not be able to build churches and synagogues too.
However, everyone against the building of the ground zero supremacist mega mosque are missing a really great opportunity to expose what Islam really is when they fail to challenge those religious freedom arguments head on, since Islam besides being a religion, is also a very radical form of totalitarianism that seeks world domination. Hence, you can’t dissect Islam and take only a tiny part of it, while at the same time you ignore the greatest part of it to circumvent the constitution. You must take Islam in totality for what it really is, a totalitarian theo-political ideology with the main goal and sole purpose of subjugating the world via the imposition of Sharia, and no such system is protected under the first amendment of the constitution or any other amendment for that matter.
Indeed, every time that Islam is being referred to as being a religion only, a patriotic American should insist on clarifying what Islam really is. If we keep allowing this inaccurate perception of Islam to go unchallenged, then we may as well submit to dhimmitude, because that is what in essences will happen.
Moreover, on the religious aspects of Islam, we should also not let even that part go unchallenged, as Islam in stark contrast to faith-based religions is also the only religion of submission in the world, whereby all Muslims must submit to the will of Allah, i.e., Sharia, the divine will of Allah. Then lets remind everyone what Sharia is, a harsh totalitarian legal system that institutionalizes discrimination against females and non-Muslims and that also incorporates a system of draconian punishments such as stonings, amputations, and beheadings.
Not only that, but the religion of Islam also forbids the freedom of conscience under the pain of death. Hence, a Muslim can’t leave the religion of Islam as that is murtaad (apostasy), which is a very serious offense in Islam that is punished by death. Furthermore, a Muslim can’t even question the tenets of their religion, as that is shirk, an offense under Islam also punishable under the pain of death.
Indeed, unless we are prepared to meet the freedom of religion arguments head on then we will never stop the impending Islamization of our society. Therefore, we must oppose the building of the ground zero supremacist mega mosque not only because it is a symbol of Muslim supremacism and an indignation to the victims of 9/11, but also because Islam is not just a religion, since it is also a very radical form of totalitarianism that seeks world domination. Don’t believe me? Hell, just look inside every Muslim country in the world today and tell me what you see!
I don’t think Obama and the Muslim Brotherhood thought Americans would catch onto their plan this quick. They’re going to move fast in their two years left, IF we allow it. (Recall European history with the Third Reich!!) Connect the dots. Obama soft-selling Islam as a “beautiful religion of peace,” and at the same time implementing this Outreach of Islam into NASA!! our universities, and schools, the Boyscouts of America!! And of course, the CORDOBA HOUSE. Let’s stick with the original name as they conceived it, with all its Islamist symbolism of victory over the slaughtered. Imagine the motive of our own President pushing the CORDOBA MOSQUE AT GROUND ZERO. It is not just insensitivity to the pain and never ending anguish of the family members of 9/11. It’s about “Soft-Jihad.” Also, part of their soft-jihad is Obama appointing Elena Kagan, who pushed no less than three Shariah courses currently offered at Harvard!!! She is the same lawyer who represented him against all legal suits to expose his fraudulent birth certificate,–he was born in Kenya, his own grandparents witnessed his birth, and he is Muslim. Now that we have a Shariah proponent in our Supreme Court, what can we expect next? More Shariah. And particularly, censorship, and a clamping down on our freedom of speech. Also, in politically correct, high minded legaleze, we’ll get some new law that “criminalizes” “Islamophobia.” And they will succeed unless we stop them. The Cordoba Mosque has backfired on them. Many Americans are now awake, and learning what Islamization of America is really all about, and that it is happening under Barack Hussein Obama!!! We should IMPEACH Barack Hussein Obama now!!!
If they own the property and meet the zoning criteria, they should be able to build the mosque. Protests are fine, but if the government keeps them from building it…
…Do you people need to be told the constitution and the first amendment are more important than your feelings? Evidently so.
Remember, after they go to trouble of building it, if it does become a site of crime, then the govt. can seize it in a perfectly aboveboard manner.
Tom, Read ObamaYoMama just above your comment.
ObamaYoMomma writes, “everyone against the building of the ground zero supremacist mega mosque are missing a really great opportunity to expose what Islam really is when they fail to challenge those religious freedom arguments head on, since Islam besides being a religion, is also a very radical form of totalitarianism that seeks world domination”.
So what does that have to do with the property rights of the individuals owning the property? If a Muslim commits a domestic crime of the garden variety, they get treated like any other criminal, if they commit a crime for purposes of jihad–Guantanamo or the like is probably better than they deserve. In each case, confiscation of the property is at least in the cards.
But.
Unless you and ObamaYoMomma are wanting to outlaw the Islamic religion, then you don’t have a point to make. Until and unless a Muslim person crosses the line, they aren’t second class citizens.
Tom Perkins – You state;
If a Muslim commits a domestic crime of the garden variety, they get treated like any other criminal, if they commit a crime for purposes of jihad–Guantanamo or the like is probably better than they deserve. In each case, confiscation of the property is at least in the cards.
Wrong. They will claim Sharia law and will not submit to U.S. law. This is the problem. Look at Europe. Open your eyes and mind. Bloomberg is a coward, using the 1st Amendment as cover, he shows no such compunction to our 2nd Amendment. We don’t have time to take the risk of “how the cards may fall” this is a genuine threat to U.S. liberty & sovereignty. Wake Up.
“They will claim Sharia law and will not submit to U.S. law.”
Who cares what they claim?! That’s why the police and militia have guns, and why the military is currently engaged with far more. If this twerp building a mosque encourages some to come out where we can deal with them most efficiently, so much the better.
yes they are.
The constitution does not allow for religions that are a threat to our constition. Anyone who supports Islam supports violence and death toward women and non muslims. Americans do not have to tolerate a religion that brings ruin everywhere it gains power. Islam has no place in America- ban it.
Apparently, they own just a half of the parcel they want to use for building of the mosque. According to NY Post report, the other part belongs to Con Edison and is just leased out. (http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/manhattan/half_baked_mosque_8ItuaW0WIByZa5xZ0rCmpJ). It gets even more interesting, what else don’t we know about this project.
@Tom Perkins.
Wrong Tom, and everybody.
Once Islam takes possession of a piece of land
it becomes a (holy) WAQF dedicated to the UMMA
(cf MAFIA). It becomes Islamic property until
the Day of Judgement, or until every (ex) human
being becomes a muslim; whichever comes first.
This is the status of Spain (Andalusia), umma property
temporarily in the hands of a bunch of dhimmis.
This is the reason for the fuss about Israel.
How do you ‘give up’ holy islamic land? (And Allah ain’t makin no mo!)
Read the Hamas Charter to confirm the Israel statement.
So EVERY mosque in every free (presently non-muslim) country
is a base (al-Qaeda, literally) for the spread of islam/hate/terror.
Unless oxymoronic moderate muslims (apostates to real muslims)
MAKE THEMSELVES HEARD, above the ‘noise’ of CAIR, ISNA, etc, etc, etc.
Somehow, the incumbent imam doesn’t seem to measure up to that “unless”.
Muslims are always screaming and condemning America and the west for not being “tolerant” of Islam. Yet it never seems that Islam has to be tolerant of the feelings or traditions of anyone else. What a bunch of hypocritical lowlifes. Don’t tell me the Muslims involved in this mosque don’t know what they’re doing. Don’t tell me they don’t understand the symbolism that is involved here. Don’t tell me they don’t have another agenda, showing that Islam has, once again, triumphed over those “evil” Christians. And if the imam in this case was so tone deaf, so blind, or just too stupid as NOT to know how Americans would react to this mosque, then he has certainly gotten an earful over the past few weeks.
If this imam and these Muslims really were concerned about good relations between religions and if they really wanted to extend an olive branch to the west, then don’t you think they would release a statement saying that they apologize about this insensitive decision to build the mosque at this location and are now making plans to move it as a symbol of working with Americans and Christians to heal this division between Islam and Christianity?
But no. All we get is yet another middle finger shown in our faces and this time it’s only two blocks away from ground zero. What a horror. And New York’s mayor Michael Bloomberg has the backbone of a chocolate eclair for not standing up against this project. But don’t you get it, America? Christians don’t strap bombs on to themselves or fly planes into buildings or try to blow cars up in Times Square. But radical Islamic jihadists do it all the time. So Bloomberg figures he can throw us under the bus, not caring about our feelings or our sensibilities, but he has to bend over backwards to accommodate Muslims. Note to Bloomberg: Don’t you know that what you are doing is actually making the situation WORSE? Don’t you understand that you are only deepening the divide between the religions, not closing it?
And to wrap this mosque up in some sort of defense of Freedom of Religion or Freedom of Speech is just pathetic. Nobody is saying the Muslims can NOT build a mosque in New York. Nobody is saying the can NOT follow Islam. They just can’t do it in a 13-story mosque two blocks away from ground zero. Is THAT too hard to comprehend? This is a foul and disgusting decision on the part of the imam and the mayor to proceed with this project. I hope New Yorkers fight this decision we every law suit, every legal delay, and every ounce of protest they have in them. And if all that fails, I hope that not one New York construction worker, let alone a union worker, will lift one tool to build this horrible structure. I’d also like to see how this building will pass a fire inspection with the New York City Fire Department, which lost over 300 firemen on 9/11.
This is a wrong decision and is an affront to every American out there. And if people don’t see that, then, hey, let’s build a Mexican embassy right next door to the Alamo. That should go over big with the people in Texas, right? And if the Muslims are into symbolism, then let the United States be allowed to build the world’s largest granite cross…in Mecca. I’m sure they will “tolerate” that form of symbolism.
The mosque at ground-zero is a monument to the Moslem terrorists who hijacked airplanes filled with Americans, mostly Christian, and flew them into buildings filled with Americans, mostly Christian. That Mayor Bloomberg supports that mosque makes him not only a traitor in the eyes of many, but also a dhimmi and an anti-Christ. And where is Obama on this matter? How has he escaped this matter for so long?
What can anyone with any feeling of national pride, or compassion for those that died on 9/11 possibly think, when they see our mayor encouraging the building of a monument to the triumph of islam oner the United States being built at ground zero ?
We are sorry for pearl harbor ? are we sorry for the death camps, are we sorry that we won WW2 ? This idea that America is evil, its all wrong. If our country is so bad, if out principals and ideals are so wrong, then why do so many people want to come here ?
Those that seek to destroy the United States need to be shown that we will not tolerate oppression, aggression or bullies. No Mosque anywhere near ground zero !
Americans apathy will probably allow it to be built Shame On Us !
Not only is the construction of this mosque a sign of disrespect, the masses of muslims walking to and from this mosque would be showing their utmost disrespect for the dead and the hallowed ground of this sight by treading on the ‘infidel’ with the soles of their feet.
This is a blatant display of disrespect in islam, to tread or display the soles of ones feet to the dhimmi.
And this site would become the symbol of Islamic victory and superiority over the United States at the very location where the war with islam began.
Education Center? Sure; It educates the world powers how pathetically stupid the American government can be.
This is not a question of religious freedom this is a question of respect for those who died on 9/11. If Muslims respected the feelings of these people they would never consider this.
BUG IT.
Mid way through the cold war the US built a new embassy in Moscow. The KGB slipped several thousand bugs into the concrete mixers. The building was unusable as an embassy. The Russians could hear every word said. It stood empty for years. Eventually sound proof boxes were shipped in by rail to line some of the rooms and make the building usable.
If they build the ground zero mosque then the simple tactic of bugging it would make it usable to only the moderates. Every word they said could be recorded, translated and posted on the web. Let the truth of Islam be heard. What have they to hide?
Cameras recording the comings and goings would help. After all the western wall in Jerusalem has a nice web cam. http://www.aish.com/w/e/ A web cam allows all our Muslim brothers to show how devout they are.
Of cause there may be a few constitutional problems with the bugging of the mosque but as Elena Kagan might say the constitution is a living document. We can fix something like that.
I think if they build this mosque we should ALL attend services there. Millions of us should attend there. Standing room only, don’t leave enough space for anyone to kneel or even sit. We should also leave in their offering plate (they have offering plates right?) items that show our true feelings for the place such as bits of ham, pork rinds, etc.
” Pas de croix sur nos cendres ”
No cross over our ashes.
With that cry Jews from all over the world protested the establishment of a church and huge cross at site of the Auschwitz Concentration Camp ten years ago.
Anyone who is interested can research this issue. It seems to me that the same rallying cry can , and should be , used today.
NO MOSQUE OVER OUR ASHES !
I wonder if a single condition could be attached to the building of the mosque so near to Ground Zero? Basically: “Sure, we’d be happy to let you build a mosque that close to Ground Zero IF – and ONLY if – you let us build a Christian cultural center two blocks from the Kaaba, the Islamic holy site in Mecca.”
Since non-Muslims are utterly forbidden from even entering the city of Mecca, let alone approaching the Kaaba, it would be unthinkable for them to permit any sort of Christian building there. If they couldn’t abide that condition, then they might also be consistent and abandon their proposal to build a mosque near Ground Zero….
“Mayor Michael Bloomberg said in a radio address: “If somebody wants to build a religious house of worship, they should do it and we shouldn’t be in the business of picking which religions can and which religions can’t.”
Accepting that Bloomberg is right in his assertion we still have zoning laws that restrict where a business can operate and ground zero should be zoned out for this mosque. I think I am on fairly safe ground with this thought. Zone out ground zero and offer a different location far enough distant that there would be no connection with ground zero and see what happens. That would still allow a place of worship. I say I believe I am on safe ground because I expect refusal and all kind of excuses why they can’t make a swap. That would prove my point that worship is not the object. Our God has a record of mercy, Islam does not. For Islam, Allah is their cover but, unlike our God, he has no power to light a fire under a sacrifice. See 1 Kings 18.
This is not only a mosque, it is a cultural center. What would be the reaction if the southern states wanted to build a Confederate cultural center at the other end of the reflecting pool at the Lincoln Memorial?
We are fighting two wars with Muslim countries. The twisted logic being used to justify building this center is maddening. Haven’t we had quite enough of liberals seeking to prove how liberal they are?
Since when has “freedom of religion” been interpreted as freedom to build whatever you want, wherever you want? Freedom of religion does not mean freedom to build a mosque on every corner. The first mosque in NYC was the Islamic Cultural Center on Third Ave., built in 1992. Now there are at least NINETY in New York City. It doesn’t appear there is a shortage of worship spaces for Muslims.
Want an example of how compassionate and peaceful islam is? Read this:
http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2010/08/taliban_executes_8_western_med.html
Bloomberg is only worried about the bottom line. He has driven $$$millions out his state and needs to attract “commerce”.
Will the Cordoba be a union job??? just wonderin what union will step forward…
Although one good thing might come of this mosque…Obama would finally find a place of worship. I think he carries a disposable prayer rug in his pocket..
It is totally exasperating to see the condition we are in here in America..it took one man less than 2 years to bring us to our knees. Says a lot about Americans…it’s time we grew new backbones.
2 blocks…to insult 3000 people and their nation.
Fact is, Mayor Moneybags has a great deal more in common with rich sheiks than he does with ordinary Americans.
Moneybags Mike is a money gathering squirrel loyal to neither the Democrat or Republican party. He bought his way into office by grossly outspending all opposition. Currently Mikey has his eye on the White House. His aides have done the math. Eight years rent in sixteen hundred Pennsylvania Avenue would set Mikey back about half a billion dollars. No problemo.
At his core, Mikey is a businessman who sees working citizens as customers. His sympathies are with the super-wealthy. He buys the support of the leadership in New York’s various ethnic minorities with public funds where he can and with money from his own pocket where he can’t. He screws the working white middle class at every opportunity.
Like Obama, our money grubbing mayor came into office with big ideas, none of which,thankfully have come to fruition. Not the stadium in midtown that would have utterly snarled traffic in an already heavily congested city. Not the traffic tolls to get into midtown Manhattan supposedly to reduce congestion and pollution.
Why promote a program that would increase congestion and pollution as powerfully as another program ostensibly aimed at reducing congestion and pollution? Because whether from a stadium or from tolls, Mikey is after the bucks. By experience and by inclination Mikey is a money grubber. Chasing dollars is reflex.
On social issues where there is no money to be squeezed from the citizenry Moneybags Mike turns into Nanny Mike. No smoking in bars, nightclubs and restaurants. Mikey paid good money to buy City Hall and he insists on a healthy citizenry. He doesn’t smoke and neither should they. And Nanny Mike can’t see why his serfs persist in stuffing themselves in restaurants without carefully assessing the fare for nutritional value.
Like all limousine liberals, Mikey Moneybags is annoyed that ordinary citizens prefer the comfort and independence of their own vehicle to public transportation. Mikey is at war with New York drivers. Especially drivers who refuse to pay five hundred dollars and more a month for a parking lot and park on the Mayor’s streets.
Manhattan has fewer municipal parking lots than Yonkers but Mikey complains about parking and street congestion. Why not build more municipal parking lots and build them more than one story high? Because then the city would lose revenue. The Parking Violations Bureau is the engine that keeps the city afloat.
PVB not only provides a flood of money every day but it absorbs tens of thousands of the hardcore unemployable who would otherwise be on the welfare rolls. PVB gives these unfortunates the dignity of a uniform and a job and income for their dependents. Like dung beetles they comb the city for expired parking meters and double parked cars. . Two bits buys you ten minutes in Mayor Mikey’s town and don’t be a minute late or two bits becomes sixty-five dollars. And pay on time because the vigorish is steep.
There is no municipal corruption in Mayor Mikey’s New York. At least none you will ever read about in the paper. FBI sting operations indicate that there is not a single city inspector of any kind in NYC who will refuse a bribe. Nor any city official for that matter any New Yorker will tell you. But we haven’t had a scandal since Mayor Moneybags settled in. The Mayor is not a reformer. Rooting out corruption requires the will and energy of City Hall and there is none of such in the Bloomberg administration.
Corruption scandals make for bad press and this administration wants none of that. Gathering and hoarding are Mayor Mikey’s strong points. He’s a good business manager and a good business manager likes things pacific. Calm and quiet keep the money coming in and the coffers full. And the mayor with the growing reputation and the deep pockets and no party affiliation has higher ambitions.
As every New Yorker worthy of the name well knows, when this town hasn’t had a major scandal in some time, it indicates that the grease is flowing as deep and wide as the Hudson River. Odd but true that in NYC dogs not barking indicate the presence of burglars.
Other dogs not heard barking are Al Sharpton and other race hustlers demanding justice from City Hall with regard for one issue or another. Mayor Moneybags has the racial thing beat. Just takes money. Preferably public money and if that is unavailable, the Mayor’s own.
Mikey famously accepts no salary from the people of his city. Having spent staggering sums to buy the office, His Honor demands reverence for renouncing wages. Giving the the citizens of New York the benefit of his ideas on smoking, food, guns and mosques at ground zero free of charge.
Mike Bloomberg and George Soros had very different careers and one can’t accuse Bloomberg of outright currency manipulation but the two have mush in common. Conservatives drawn Mike Bloomberg’s vaunted managerial skills need a reality check. Likewise Jews who imagine he would make a strong pro-Israel senator or president.
Mike Bloomberg needs to go back to honestly making dollars from willing customers. Wall street needs him. Lets all do our best to get him back there ASAP.
The mosque at ground zero will not be in the favor of muslims. It will become a focal point, like “remember the Alamo”.
It will serve to further unite Americans against the injustice of Islam. By being there, muslims will help the cause of their sure demise.
Maybe Bloomberg knows what he is doing?
The solution is simple: Saudi Arabia should reciprocate by allowing the building of a 13-storey Christian cathedral two blocks from the Great Mosque in Mecca.
Sorry? You’re saying that would never be allowed to happen?
New Yorkers, while idly standing by letting this happen, are losing the hearts of all americans. I have never lived in or near New York. But, I cried my eyes out for weeks after 9/11, especially when watching families of the victims recall their loved ones lives. I sent money. I prayed. I took my family to visit New York and Ground Zero. We visited one place down there, I think it was a fire station at one time. There were pictures of the victims covering all of the walls. My six year old broke down and cried for most of the day.
I am done with New York. I don’t care to ever hear any more news about New York. You citizens are so far-left that the majority of americans are just sitting here shaking our heads in disbelief. So, build the mosque. I’ll never spend another dime in New York. And, when terrorists sneak over our porous borders and unleash another attack on NY, I won’t be one bit surprised.
Stella-
I am not from New York nor do I live there. However I think you should be ashamed of yourself for lumping EVERY SINGLE PERSON LIVING IN NY as being “far-left”. Pull off those self-righteous blinders that you are wearing and you will see how many New Yorkers are fighting the building of this mosque. You sound like Bloomberg: “All of New York agrees to the mosque, only a few oppose it”. There are MANY MANY New Yorkers fighting this attrocity. I, too, disagree – the mosque has no place near Ground Zero. I hope your six-year-old has the empathy for others that you seem so lacking in.
To all those in New York who are fighting this mosque, my heart is with you. Keep fighting.
Here is an absolutely outstanding answer from Dr. Leonard Peikoff to those who somehow think we have to let the Islamists build their mosque .
http://www.peikoff.com/2010/06/28/what-do-you-think-of-the-plan-for-a-mosque-in-new-york-city-near-ground-zero-isnt-it-private-property-and-therefore-protected-by-individual-rights/
He very eloquently shows that putting this mosque up is comparable to letting the Japanese erect a Shinto temple at Pearl Harbor after their attack in 1941, and concludes: if that mosque is built, the government should blow it up, as they would any propaganda structure of a declared enemy in a time of war.
My summary.
A fanatic is one who can’t change his mind and won’t change the subject.
Islam is Muhammad’s wicked ideology that commands his followers to commit evil acts against non believers. Just like him. Murder, maiming, blinding, rape are all favorites of the man Muslims strive to emulate.
Why should we give his followers a mosque to celebrate their victorious jihadist adventure against us their eternal enemy?
Better yet, why do you think that Muhammad’s followers can build that mosque in my neighborhood? Even better yet, why can our eternal enemies build this type of facilty anywhere in United States?
No more mosques in United States.
I have been all over the internet for that last few hours. One thing that stands out LARGE, is the unity in people, the building of the mosque is bringing about.
We have been waiting for the accelerant. We may just have found it. For too long there has been no focus point. I think Bloomberg just delivered one.
I can’t believe Bloomburg. Why are we are even discussing this? Bloomburg is like a rape/murder victim’s father cooperating with the rapist to build a statue of the perpetrators genitals overlooking his daughters grave.
He should be tarred and feathered for even considering the thought. We need to bring back tarring and feathering; theres an auful lot of people running around that could use some good old fashoned mob justice.
Instead of desecrating our own stuff, our leaders should be figuring out how many pig heads it would take to fill the kaab ( the cube in Meca, which monkey people are required to pilgrimages to once in their life ( if possible, unless they are to busy smelling like sh-t).)
Have you been in one of their filthy corners of the world? Iraq is a true piece of excrament. Before you flush the latrine take a look inside, what you see is identical to the muslim world. THIS IS TRUE
Why not look a little farther ahead? Think of it, like for instance, building the Internation Nazi Headquarters in Dachau.
Consider….would that not be cause of bringing about a focus point for united cohesion that has been previously scattered and/or weak?
The first step for any kind of change is….what will bring people together.
Sometimes we may not like the method, but we should see the results.
I wonder how much the Jew Bloomberg was paid by the Sauds? Amazing how someone will forget all of their principles and values when someone sticks money under their nose.
People- the only way to win this war is to fight the Muslim with their same mindset. We can waver in this. We have to be strong, tough, and courageous. Don’t be intimadated by being called a racist, or whatever. I don’t care what they say. I’m ready to fight for my country, and faith and freedom.
Linda,
Your(lack of) intelligence is as bad as your racism.
Quite ironic how those liberally-enlightened few like Mayor Bloomberg who hector the great unwashed populace over their “irrational” fear and sensitivity on this subject are invariably part of the same crowd who push for hate speech and hate crime laws and campus speech codes- all under the pretense of cultivating a more “sensitive” society.
Every politician or other who speaks in defense of this garbage should be audited, and investigated. Their financial holdings need to be scrutinized, and boycotted. This is a sham being perpetrated on Americans citizens by those who wish our destruction. Any who support it are nothing more than sympathizers and traitors. They attempt to use our laws and values against us, and call us raciest or worst for attempting to stop a invasion by a organization that is far more political than religious. They continue to ignore centuries of history as to the Muslim agenda, and are complicit in that agenda. Traitors is far to kind of a word for their self serving conduct here.
build it now!
there’s only one umma and these are the same muslims that crashed our planes into the twin towers. what would El Cid do?
This is the same versthunkener Mayor Bloomberg who spent hundreds of millions of dollars from the $1B congressionally mandated Captive Insurance Fund on attorneys’ fees to fight claims from sick and injured 9/11 first responders. In addition, he was missing in action for years in pushing for the rebuilding of the WTC site. But, OMG! a mosque! Gotta have it! Him and the corrupt members of Community Board One who want this so badly.
All of you don’t get it. This is not about Muslims or about Ground Zero. It is all about Shorty Egomaniac Mike. The same Sh**ck that claimed that he was 5’-8” when he was actually 5’-6” and now probably 5’-4” as he shrunk with age. And the same Yo Yo that claims that he takes the Subway to work when he is driven to the express Stop with his Body Guards in his SUV that probably continues to City Hall to be at his call. I wonder if he has women Masseuses like the other Global Warming Genius. Because, he also tried to eliminate cars from the City by requiring a stiff toll so his majesty can zoom down the street and is not disturbed by all these little people that are clogging the roads with their cars. You see, Egomaniac Mike enjoys being the center of attention no matter what causes it.
Someone mentioned that if they manage to dig their claws into any ground, by their stone age rules. That ground is declared holy by their cult- REligion! and it will forever be till the world burns into powder…
Yeah, a place of religion by them near the place a couple of dedicated followers of such “faith” murdered is so very wrong. To hell with the tree huggin’ pc apologists who want to get along…
A short list of things that bother me more than a “Ground Zero Mosque”.
1. A freaking hole in the ground how many years later?
2. The John Galt Corporation and its mafia ties, profiting lies and blood on its hands
3. All of which leads to the fact that they have not completed demolition of the Deutsche Bank building.
4. Assorted vendors, truthers, pan handlers and whoever mills about this so-called sacred site creating a public nuisance.
5. Assorted band wagoneers and carpet baggers particularly those from west of the Hudson who feel they can wrap themselves in the flag and appeal to 9/11 to get a rise out of people for political gain.
Frankly it’s a city, there are lots of people over 8 million some of them are devout followers of Islam. Unless my local bodega proprietor, dry cleaner or the guy who runs the Afghan Kebab house starts going jihad on his customers I don’t think I see a lot of sense in blaming him for 3,000 deaths that were organized by people whose views they left behind in favor of the freedom they sought in America.
If you would really like to make a difference, maybe you can take a look at a real known radical group like the Islamic Thinkers Society rather than falling off your seats trying to join a holy war against moderate Islamic voices whose sole stated purpose is at worst an ill fated attempt to buy the world a coke and sing kumbaya.
Americans have a history of deep commitment to remembering history, and commemorating historic sites, especially of searing tragedies and military battles.
It is historians who are the most opposed to the proposed gambling casino one half mile from Gettysburg Battlefield, where the land was drenched in the blood of 51,000 casualties during the three day battle July 1-3, 1863. Gettysburg is where President Abraham Lincoln gave his most memorable address on November 18, 1863, at the dedication of the Soldiers National Cemetery.
The casino is proposed 2,640 feet away from Gettysburg National Military Park, which includes the Battlefield, National Cemetery, Museum and Visitor Center, and 1,328 monuments, markers and memorials to every brigade and battalion. The battle over the proposed casino continues today.
There was much controversy over how to deal with the dead soldiers of the Confederacy. They were seen as invaders. Finally, “The southern dead were removed to cemeteries in North and South Carolina, Georgia, and Virginia between 1871 and 1873.”
It took more than fifty years of healing before any monument to a Confederate state was allowed. “It was not until 1917 that the first monument from a southern state was dedicated and it was a special one- the Virginia Monument. … One of the largest monuments in the park is the Eternal Light Peace Memorial, which stands on Oak Hill. It was dedicated in 1938 by President Franklin D. Roosevelt, and was a cooperative effort between veterans from North and South. …” http://www.nps.gov/archive/gett/gettkidz/mn~mnts.htm
The effort by NYC firefighter and 9/11 survivor Timothy Brown to landmark 45 Park Place should not be misunderstood as ‘bigotry’. Brown has devoted his time to landmarking other 9/11 damaged sites.
I still remember exactly how I felt, in 1992, atop the observation tower overlooking the field where Pickett’s Charge led so many Confederate soldiers knowingly to their death, and still try to understand the frame of mind that shaped such irrational devotion to duty. I can still feel the presence of their spirit, how the cool October air at sunset felt filled with the dead soldiers.
I have no such problem understanding how so many Americans feel about our history and strong commitment to remembering and commemorating historic sites, especially of searing tragedies and military battles.
Perhaps THAT understanding or lack thereof is what divides Americans, and what Mayor Bloomberg and others do not understand when they tell the rest of us to “shut up”.
The “shut up” part comes because it’s not respectful of my feelings as someone who lived through the event. It’s just sickening to watch this unfold and know it’s about political posturing and trying to gain something at the polls come November.
A long time ago I found out that one of my relatives served in the Pacific. I was always interested in military history and was somewhat perplexed when he said there were some who talked about it, but he didn’t really want to.
When I travel or meet people outside New York, the topic is invariably brought up. While it’s a great bonding experience for everyone, I’ve reached the point where I’ve told my story enough times. But what truly sickens me is the poison tongues of people who exhume from the ground the corpses of those dead and prop them up and parade them around without their consent.
They have no voice to object. I do.
K2K, your extremely eloquent comment brings to mind another, under-the-radar problem regarding memorials in this country in general. The current trend is clearly toward politically-correct, neutral, funereal designs, devoid of any patriotic gestures. Case in point: the Flight 93 Memorial (in PA) winning competition design originally had, as its focal point, a RED CRESCENT of red-leaved trees! Initial, tepid objections resulted in that feature being converted to a red circle instead. The design has almost nothing in it that relates to any of the qualities of heroism. It is essentially a multi-million dollar cemetery park with sculptural elements. I was one of the many hundreds who submitted designs for this memorial and went on an official site visit, so I know quite a bit about it. All of the submissions containing patriotic gestures were rejected.
I am wondering when the American public is going to sit up and take notice. Our historical and cultural heritage is being eroded by left-wing cultural elites (e.g. the members of these design juries) and it needs to be reclaimed before history is permanently lost.
They are trying to destroy us any way they can.
They have no shame.
Consider this:
The Jewish nation’s archaeological treasures in Israel are proof of its historical claim to the land. For some time the Muslims have systematically been destroying these ancient Biblical treasures wherever they find them.
http://jewishdailyreport.wordpress.com/2010/08/09/muslims-engaged-in-massive-destruction-jewish-biblical-sites-in-jerusalem/
Since the initial attack almost 800 first responders have died of medical injuries sustained in their heroic efforts to save American lives. When the number of fatalities is mentioned those 800 have earned the right, paid for the right with their lives, to be added to the official death toll.
Nancy Pelosi and Anthony Weiner have both disgraced themselves, and the Democrat Party, by demanding a super majority for passage of a bill that would have provided health benefits to those first responders who are still suffering from health problems today. This bipartisan legislation had more than enough votes ( 253 ) to pass and, until the rules were changed by Pelosi and Weiner, and would have already taken effect.
To say that these two individuals are unfit for office is a compliment. They are unfit to be called Americans.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JMjOeMl1cPs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pV4IKMJBslY&feature=related
Who is leaning on Bloomberg for him to be so insulting to the people who object to this mosque? Is it Obama? I know that Bumbleberg, in his Louis XIV fashion, looks down on regular folk who like to eat burgers and transfat, but this time he has gone way too far. How dare he compare the people who put dollars in collection plates for churches to the Wahabbists who will be financing this Islamic center? Does he think that women in skimpy clothes will be welcome there? Will gays be welcome there? Bloomberg is proof positive that the Far Left is very intolerant and tyrannical.
To claim that the opposition to building a mosque at ground zero is an affront to religious freedom is a false argument. The religion in question, Islam is a theo-political ideology (which believes in its core principals in abusing its children, its women, gays and nonbelievers). I would guarantee that if someone wanted to erect a monument to Adolph Hitler within blocks of a synagogue or a monument to a pedophile within sight of a daycare center, the local authorities would found any number of reasons to block the construction.
The funny thing about terrorists is that they don’t kill and die for the sake of killing and dying. They have real world goals.
What was Usama Bin Laden’s goal with 9/11? The attack was just a method. What was was the point?
In short, the point is that the might of the West is an illusion. That Islam, as a religious and political force, is more powerful than a trillion dollar war machine run by society rife with moral cowardice. He wanted the fight he got. He wanted to shatter the illusion. He knew our warriors would fight, but that our culture would submit.
The Cordoba House (a reference to lost Al-Andalus, a comment lament of Bin Laden), is an Islamic victory banner raising upon a confused culture that can’t wait to surrender. A modern day Hagia Sophia. It may be another quaint cultural center to the politically left, but to political Islam it’s a symbol of conquest. (The same people that think this event is no big deal will be the same ones who will later convert or pay the jizya as no big deal. It is no big deal to them, because they don’t care who’s sword they live under, so long as they get to live.)
Since day one, we’ve been too wrapped around the tactical move of 9/11 and don’t grasp the strategy.
Pumping more JDAMs into HVI kulats doesn’t mean a thing. We can kill al-Qa’ida to the last man, but a military defeat is essentially meaningless.
Strategically, politically and culturally, the jihad they started is winning.
Another house of worship to Sin, son of the Sun god. It will also be another Mosque where weapons, C-4, and hate speech towards America is stored.
No more Mosques in America until a Church to Jesus Christ is built in Mecca.
I profile every Marine Corp day. Islam is a false religion, following a mad man named Mohammad who raped, and murdered most of his adult life.
Allah Akbar! Allah the moon god is greater than all the other 359 false gods at the Kabba.
USA has had 9 years to rebuild the WTC. There is still nothing there. If the USA had actually gotten its act together and BUILT a new WTC, this new mosque would not be overlooking any “ashes”.
My fellow conservatives:
Please don’t feed the troll.