Ground Zero Imam: ‘I Don’t Believe in Religious Dialogue’
Is Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf — founder of the hugely controversial Ground Zero mosque — lying to the American public and his fellow New Yorkers?
PJ Media has uncovered extraordinary contradictions between what he says in English and what he says in Arabic that raise serious questions about his true intentions in the construction of the mosque.
On May 25, 2010, Abdul Rauf wrote an article for the New York Daily News insisting:
My colleagues and I are the anti-terrorists. We are the people who want to embolden the vast majority of Muslims who hate terrorism to stand up to the radical rhetoric. Our purpose is to interweave America’s Muslim population into the mainstream society. [emphasis added]
Oh, really?
Only two months before, on March 24, 2010, Abdul Rauf is quoted in an article in Arabic for the website Rights4All entitled “The Most Prominent Imam in New York: ‘I Do Not Believe in Religious Dialogue.’”
Yes, you read that correctly and, yes, that is an accurate translation of Abdul Rauf. And Right4All is not an obscure blog, but the website of the media department of Cairo University, the leading educational institution of the Arabic-speaking world.
In the article, the imam said the following of the “religious dialogue” and “interweaving into the mainstream society” that he so solemnly seems to advocate in the Daily News and elsewhere:
This phrase is inaccurate. Religious dialogue as customarily understood is a set of events with discussions in large hotels that result in nothing. Religions do not dialogue and dialogue is not present in the attitudes of the followers, regardless of being Muslim or Christian. The image of Muslims in the West is complex which needs to be remedied.
But that was two months ago. More recently — in fact on May 26, one day after his Daily News column – Abdul Rauf appeared on the popular Islamic website Hadiyul-Islam with even more disturbing opinions. That’s the same website where, ironically enough, a fatwa was simultaneously being issued forbidding a Muslim to sell land to a Christian, because the Christian wanted to build a church on it.
In his interview on Hadiyul-Islam by Sa’da Abdul Maksoud, Abdul Rauf was asked his views on Sharia (Islamic religious law) and the Islamic state. He responded:
Throughout my discussions with contemporary Muslim theologians, it is clear an Islamic state can be established in more than just a single form or mold. It can be established through a kingdom or a democracy. The important issue is to establish the general fundamentals of Sharia that are required to govern. It is known that there are sets of standards that are accepted by [Muslim] scholars to organize the relationships between government and the governed. [emphasis added]
When questioned about this, Abdul Rauf continued: “Current governments are unjust and do not follow Islamic laws.” He added:
New laws were permitted after the death of Muhammad, so long of course that these laws do not contradict the Quran or the Deeds of Muhammad … so they create institutions that assure no conflicts with Sharia. [emphasis in translation]
In yet plainer English, forget the separation of church and state. Abdul Rauf’s goal is the imposition of Shariah law — in every country, even democratic ones like the U.S.
But these attitudes are nothing new for the (alas, few) people who have been paying attention. Way back on September 30, 2001, Feisal Abdul Rauf was interviewed on 60 Minutes by host Ed Bradley. Their verbatim dialogue from this CBS News transcript concluded:
BRADLEY: Are — are — are you in any way suggesting that we in the United States deserved what happened?
Imam ABDUL RAUF: I wouldn’t say that the United States deserved what happened, but the United States policies were an accessory to the crime that happened.
BRADLEY: OK. You say that we’re an accessory?
Imam ABDUL RAUF: Yes.
BRADLEY: How?
Imam ABDUL RAUF: Because we have been an accessory to a lot of — of innocent lives dying in the world. In fact, it — in the most direct sense, Osama bin Laden is made in the USA.
This is the “anti-terrorist” of the Daily News article?
The Feisal Abdul Rauf who spoke to 60 Minutes in 2001 is the same Abdul Rauf who, in the last couple of months, espoused the spread of Sharia law on Arabic websites and said the opposite in the pages of the Daily News. He is the man New York City authorities are about to allow to build a mosque on Ground Zero.
Caveat emptor. Meanwhile, perhaps some enterprising reporter should ask Abdul Rauf his opinion of that fatwa forbidding Muslims from selling land to Christians who intend to build a church on it.
(Don’t miss PJTV’s coverage of the Ground Zero mosque story.)
Foolish infidels, there is only one God, and Moe Howard is His prophet.
Spread out!
I just got a visual on Moe Howard. I guess this puts you into the filthy infidels who draw Mohammad club!
“and verily, Curly thrice nyucked the prophet. And moe raised his for and index fingers and smited him in the eyes for this….- a letter from larry to shemp
The best description of the ground zero mosque is that it is a monument to the 9/11 terrorists and the blood thirsty religion that spawned them.
Agree with you!!! This is the purpose of building the mosque on ground zero so as to gloat on Muslim victory over us kafirs every time Muslims come to the mosque. There is no other purpose for this mosque on ground zero. Muslims have done this, i. e., building mosques over the most sacred spots of non-Muslims, temples, churches synagogues all over the world. This double taking imamullah should be sent back where he came from.
The purpose of the mosque is to change the truth into narrative. Abdul Rauf knows he can’t win in one day. Five hundred years from now the attack on The WTC will be just another narrative. Cordoba was an outpost of Islamic rule. Sharia Law turns all non-muslims into second class citizens. Rauf hopes to go nationwide with Cordoba Houses. His motives should be apparent. The name speaks for itself.
Lets look at this from another angle. Perhaps this failure to
see what Islam is about isnt a intellectual failing. Perhaps its
simply an adjustment to reality, the reality of the New America.
For example while the The New York City Council voted to allow the Ground Zero Mosque.
The San Diego City Council voted to support the “rights” of Illegal Aliens
Los Angeles City Council voted to boycott an American State..Arizona,
And Boston, and Chicago and San Francisco inner cities,
Why? Demographic change. This is what our future holds. Mass immigration of
cultures that are fundamentally hostile to traditional America. Of course politcians arise who will service these people. The New York politicians voting for Ground Zero Mosque didnt fail to understand Iman Rauf, they dont need to make the effort, only provide what services he is “entitled to”.
Iman Rauf is entitled to Religious Freedomw. Religious Freedom is fundamental to the USA..but the ideal was based on the only religion America knew in 1785…Christianity. No one thought about Islam where Church and State, Religion and Law are inseperable by definition. Which returns us to the deeply Politically Incorrect idea that America cannot be all things to all people. That Islam has no place in the USA. We can return to this radical, bigotted idea after the next round of car bombs goes off. And they are coming.
Demographic change goes on silently decade after decade until one day we stare in astonishment at news like the Ground Zero Mosque, or car bombs in Times Square, or one million people in Los Angeles waving Mexican flags, or huge sections of Miami, LA, Houston where no English at all is spoken, or at a half Kenyan of no accomplishments being elected President.
but the ideal was based on the only religion America knew in 1785…Christianity.
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Where precisely did you get your education in history? By sleeping in a Holiday Inn Express?
There were many Jews in the US in 1785. The founders were very aware of Islam, it was only a few hundred years earlier that their ancestors had been busy fighting Muslims in Europe itself.
It is hard to believe that they were unaware of the fact that countries like Japan and China, who’s existence was well known to anyone with more than a minimal education, had religions and they weren’t Christianity.
I think its very very hard for anyone so immersed in the assumptions of one
religion to see how different another really is. This goes more so for those who
havent studied religion formally. But even if you ask 1000 preachers
to talk about Islam they will talk about it as some version of Christianity.
Same place names, same personages, in both the Koran and Bible. none of them will know how exactly the two religions differ..and they differ profoundly. And this
goes for the other side. Imans get Christianity wrong nearly 100% of time.
In fact..most Christians dont even understand their own religion. You can
tune into Sunday Morning Religious TV if you want to check this out.
Now to say that in 1785 this was entirely different from now is nonsense. There was nearly zero interaction between the West and Islam…and less than zero for a few settlers on the shores of North America. Were there Jews in the USA in 1785…? Sure a few and the mutual ignorance was as profound then as now. Go find
one Christian who can tell you the central religious texts of Judaism..good luck.
And yet these differences play out in massive if unintentional ways.
” In 1774, Francis Salvador was elected as a delegate to South Carolina’s revolutionary Provincial Congress, which assembled in Charleston in January 1775. The Provincial Congress framed a bill of rights and prepared an address to the royal governor of South Carolina setting forth the colonists’ grievances against the British crown. Salvador played an important role in the South Carolina Provincial Congress, which appointed him to a commission to negotiate with Tories living in the northern and western parts of the colony to secure their promise not to actively aid the royal government.
When the second Provincial Congress assembled in November 1775, Salvador urged that body to instruct the South Carolina delegation in Philadelphia to vote for American independence. Salvador played a leading role in the Provincial Congress, chairing its ways and means committee and serving on a select committee authorized to issue bills of credit to pay the militia. Salvador was also part of a special commission established to preserve the peace in the interior parts of South Carolina, where the English Superintendent of Indian Affairs was busily negotiating treaties with the Cherokees to induce the tribe to attack the colonists.
When the Cherokees attacked settlements along the frontier on July 1, 1776, massacring and scalping colonial inhabitants, Salvador, in an act reminiscent of Paul Revere, mounted his horse and galloped nearly thirty miles to give the alarm. He then returned to join the militia in the front lines, defending the settlements under siege. During a Cherokee attack early in the morning of August first, Salvador was shot. He fell into some bushes, where he was subsequently discovered and scalped. Salvador died forty-five minutes later. Major Andrew Williamson, the militia commander, reported of Salvador that, “When I came up to him after dislodging the enemy and speaking to him, he asked whether I had beaten the enemy. I told him ‘Yes.’ He said he was glad of it and shook me by the hand and bade me farewell, and said he would die in a few minutes.”
His friend Henry Laurens reported that Salvador’s death was “universally regretted,” while William Henry Drayton, later Chief Justice of South Carolina, noted that Salvador had “sacrificed his life in the service of his adopted country.” Dead at twenty-nine, never again seeing his wife or children after leaving England, Salvador was the first Jew to die waging the American Revolution. Ironically, because he was fighting on the frontier, he probably did not receive the news that the Continental Congress in Philadelphia had, as he urged, adopted the Declaration of Independence.”
The American Jewish Historical Society
ehunter – I’ve listened to thousands of preachers and I can attest that none have ever mentioned how Christianity and Islam are alike. Without fail they have highlighted the chasm between the two belief systems. They are very clear that islam isn’t a denomination or variation of Christianity. The two beliefs have startling contrasts and are irreconcilable.
?!? The founders were extremely well read. Of course they knew all about Islam. Europe had had contact with Islam for 1000 years before the American Revolution, because Islam spent quite a few years trying to conquer Europe. The first real foreign policy crisis the U.S. faced was with Islamic terrorists (try Googling “the Barbary Pirates”).
As for the “central texts” of Judaism, Christians call them the “Old Testament.” And an educated Christian, then as now, knew very well of the existence of the Talmud, Mishnah, etc.
Don’t let yourself imagine that the Founders of the United States were no better educated than students at California public schools.
Wow mister ehunter…..
Back to the classroom or the library for you!
“Now to say that in 1785 this was entirely different from now is nonsense. There was nearly zero interaction between the West and Islam…and less than zero for a few settlers on the shores of North America. ”
Barbary Wars
Pirate ships and crews from the North African states of Tripoli, Tunis, Morocco, and Algiers (the Barbary Coast), although nominally governed by the Ottoman Empire, were the scourge of the Mediterranean. Capturing merchant ships and holding their crews for ransom providing the rulers of these nations with wealth and naval power. In fact, the Roman Catholic Religious Order of Mathurins had operated from France for centuries with the special mission of collecting and disbursing funds for the relief and ransom of prisoners of Mediterranean pirates.
In 1784, the United States Congress allocated money for payment of tribute to the Barbary pirates and instructed her British and French ambassadors (John Adams and Thomas Jefferson, respectively) to look for opportunities to negotiate peace treaties with the Barbary nations. Unfortunately, the price demanded for these treaties far exceeded the amount that Congress had budgeted.
In March 1785, Thomas Jefferson and John Adams went to negotiate with Tripoli’s envoy to London, Ambassador Sidi Haji Abdrahaman (or Sidi Haji Abdul Rahman Adja).
Upon inquiring “concerning the ground of the pretensions to make war upon nations who had done them no injury”, the ambassador replied:
It was written in their Koran, that all nations which had not acknowledged the Prophet were sinners, whom it was the right and duty of the faithful to plunder and enslave; and that every muslim who was slain in this warfare was sure to go to paradise. He said, also, that the man who was the first to board a vessel had one slave over and above his share, and that when they sprang to the deck of an enemy’s ship, every sailor held a dagger in each hand and a third in his mouth; which usually struck such terror into the foe that they cried out for quarter at once.
The U.S. paid Algiers the ransom, and continued to pay up to $1 million per year over the next 15 years for the safe passage of American ships or the return of American hostages. Payments in ransom and tribute to the privateering states amounted to 20 percent of United States government annual revenues in 1800.
Sigh. Europe (and, of course, the initial population of this country) was Christian – either Catholic or protestant; the Jews have been marginalized for centuries. Until the 19th century, there were no significant Muslims in Europe except for invading armies from the Ottoman Empire.
If you look carefully at the ideals upon which this country was founded, they derive from Judeo/Christian principles (Via the Holy Roman Empire): equality under the law, rule by law and not by man, and a basic set of fundamental rights. This is what the Founding Fathers knew. It is interesting to speculate on what Adams or Jefferson would have said about extending religious liberties not only to people of a Judeo-Christian heritage but of a religion that is actively hostile to that heritage.
Actually, most of the attributes which make this country unique derive from enlightenment principles inspired by ancient greek traditions. The idea of rule by law and not by man certainly does not derive from Judeo-Christian traditions from Europe or the Holy Roman Empire, which were all about rule by men, not laws.
but the ideal was based on the only religion America knew in 1785…Christianity.
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Most of our founding fathers were Free Masons, there is a copy of a Bible and a Koran that they acknowledge when taking thier oath.
Most of our founding fathers were Free Masons, there is a copy of a Bible and a Koran that they acknowledge when taking thier oath.
Many, not most, of them were Freemasons. I can’t attest to the Koran thing, but I do know that Protestant Christianity was dominant in the American colonies, and the world view and attitudes and practices of its adherents, even the casual ones among the founders, was central to the ideals of the new Republic.
Why? Demographic change. This is what our future holds. Mass immigration of
cultures that are fundamentally hostile to traditional America.
The thing is, though, the numbers of immigrants and the growth of minorities are not bringing about as big or as dramatic a ‘demographic change’ as the narratives (including yours) imply. The European-origin white population of N. America is still a large, solid majority, and will be almost as large a generation from now. The real issue isn’t brute force demography, but the exaggerated leverage that minorities with their inflated, and even false, grievances have been able to exert on American social policy. We are being “demographically smothered” by a lie.
Exactly. And all sorts of things in the years ahead- mass deportation, plague in immigrant ghettoes, war- might thin the hordes of illegals. The future is not ours to see.
Interesting, but Islam and Judaism were not unknown to our founding fathers. Debates on freedom of religion took more than Christianity into consideration.
“Caveat emptor. Meanwhile, perhaps some enterprising reporter should ask Abdul Rauf his opinion of that fatwa forbidding Muslims from selling land to Christians who intend to build a church on it.”
Indeed. This should be asked and advertised. It shows the contradictions we are dealing with.
BTW. What is exactly the text of this fatwa and where is it available? It would be nice to have it handy.
Islam is the religion of peace. The pinch of people(comparivately the people killed in Iraq and Afgan) killed in 9/11 was the conspiracy of USA now they are blaming the muslim community. They have claimed the oil resources of Iraq upon which they have no right. How cheap are Americans. USA is emerging as the biggest Terrorist in the world. USA is a big threat to whole humanity.
Looks like the moderators are dhimmis as well. YOu have freinds here a PJM that dont like people bashing mo. Islam is gaining ground… hey moderator, do you really think they will love you for your dhimmitude? First they came for the jews…
Tolerance of evil is a crime
Islam is a deth cult
Mod, is this america or china? Why are you censoring?
key word, “cult” not religion.
All religions are cults. Some are more popular, or have more members, or are more violent, etc., but in the end, some of their beliefs or traditions are going to appear weird or strange to non-believers.
Imagine a cult pray to a dead man hanging from a wooden cross. Is that weird or what?
Actually what is weird is how his teachings have been bastardized. When he said he was the way and the light he meant his frame of mind – his enlightened conscienceness was to be a guide – not him. That mistake compounded by 2000 years has led to where we are now. In fact there have been many before him – and after him – all very similar to him and each have taught essentially the same message. The problem is we aren’t collectively listening – and that failure to heed the message gives rise to the likes of islam and Christianity – as well as secularism – itself a form of religion – or belief if you will.
Is it better to believe or to know? Belief is easy — knowing is difficult.
There are none so blind as those who will not see.
Certainly you have the right to your opinion, deadly though its implications are for every ‘infidel’ in the world.
Just to understand where you stand on the rights of various peoples, do I have the right to live in a Jewish-majority state called Israel – let’s say, if Bibi and Abbas sit down and resolve the dispute. In other words, if Abbas deigns to recognize my right as a Jew to have a Jewish state, will you?
More to the point (again, see Jihad Watch:
- Do you – Mubashir – accept the right of the state of Israel to exist without harassment (seeing as it was on its current location 1000 years before Muhammad was born).
- Do you accept the right of Israel to have Jerusalem as its capital?
- Do you insist upon the “return” of formerly Muslim-conquered areas in Spain, Europe, and Asia to Islam? Or do you accept their current status as non-Muslim?
- Do you accept the right of non-Muslim women to do all of the things that we take for granted in western culture without harassment? More to the point, do you accept the ability of Muslim women to dress and otherwise act in Western ways (e.g. dressing in western clothes, drive, associate with men who are not relatives, and go to school) when living in Western countries, without harassment?
- Do you accept the right of people to freely leave Islam and convert to, say, Christianity without harassment?
- Do you desire to impose Shariah law upon any country?
Islam is a religion of pieces.
If you don’t agree with them, they will blow you to pieces.
hahaha….got that right.
America certainly is a grave threat, but not in the way you have been brainwashed to believe!
America is a threat to tyranny. America is a threat to murderers. America is a threat to slavery, poverty, dhimmitude and tyrants of all stripes! America is a threat to YOU because you support these evils of men.
America is a threat, not because we are militarily strong, but because our ideas and values are powerful! We represent freedom, opportunity and liberty. We oppose tyranny in the form of religious oppression, like sharia law; therefore we oppose YOU and those like you!
Your god is a vicious murderer, rapist, pedophile, thief, liar and hypocrite! America opposes everything he ever said. America certainly is a threat to the tyranny of the followers of Mohammad! THIS is the threat YOU see!
“Your god is a vicious murderer, rapist, pedophile, thief, liar and hypocrite! America opposes everything he ever said. America certainly is a threat to the tyranny of the followers of Mohammad! THIS is the threat YOU see!”
And Muslims can’t see this in spite of the evidence about Mo/allah right in their terrorism book. Brain washing leads to brain death and delusion as is shown by all Muslims since seventh century!!!
America claimed the Iraqi oil? When, where, can you provide a reference to support this lie?
What a load of bullshit! Starting with your first phrase.
Do you seriously expect people to believe any of this ridicvulous crap? Sorry to say, you do.
Get back to the Dark Ages, barbarian.
Mubashir,
I wonder where you live? Most likely in the U.S., or someother Christian country that you stood in a long line to get a visa for. That doesn’t say too much for islam.
The proposed mosque is to be called Cordoba.
Throughout the history of man symbolism is used to convey to the illiterate and uneducated what cannot be conveyed to them with mere words.
It is my belief the name Cordoba was chosen for a purpose.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martyrs_of_C%C3%B3rdoba
I agree–this is a symbol of victory for Islam.
First thing I did when I read the name Cordoba Initiative is to google Cordoba mosque. The MSM doesn’t know how to google, I guess.
And the Muslims are constantly trying to get the Catholic church in Spain to allow Muslim worship there, which has been steadfastly refused up to this point. The Catholic church knows what they are up to with these requests.
I agree the name Cordoba has significance, everything Muslims do on the larger stage has significance: The Christmas day bomber, these potential murders were done on Christianity’s
commemoration of the birth of its beloved founder.
Sept 11th: this is never alluded to BUT Sept 11th was the very Date that the king of
Poland Jan Sobieski defeated the Moslem Turks at the gates of Vienna & defeated an
attempted incursion into Europe.
Watching the Chicago news (WGN Amnerica) at Christmas last year there was a banner carrying march of several Muslims claiming Christmas was the birth of some kind of Muslim Savior.
The tenets of their “religion” as set up by Mohammad was to “appeal” to Jews & Christians by
establishing abstainence from pork, by honoring Jesus as a prophet & his mother Mary as a venerable woman. Their Imams must I am sure guide them in all this attempted subtrefuge (sp)
like we can t see through their dog & pony show! New yorkers need to set up some good southern pork barbeque nearby!
Great info. Glad I read your post. I shall pass this info far and wide.
This article seems to be reaching beyond the facts to substantiate an alarmist thesis.
While it may be true that this “Ground Zero mosque” may play host to religious leaders who are actively anti-American, or who actively promote violence (something that should be monitored, and dealt with), the quotes you’ve brought from Abdul Rauf don’t go this far. As an orthodox Jew, I can see the parallels behind this man’s quotes and a hypothetical rabbi who might say, “Sure, we live in America, but any American law that prevents us from fulfilling our religious obligations as Jews is wrong, and should be struck down.” I could also live with one of my own religious leaders making the non-PC statement that “there’s no such thing as religious dialogue”… because for some religious people (from all religions!) the Word is the Word (or to use the Jewish terminology, the Commandments are the Commandments)… they’re not negotiable.
And as much as I disagree with it, there are PLENTY of leftist Americans who believe that Osama Bin Laden was “created” by American imperialism.
I’m not sticking my head in the sand. I know that mosques are sometimes used as training grounds for violent indoctrination. But if you think that this guys’ quotes in Arabic are “tipping his hand” and revealing a hidden evil agenda, you’re wrong. It can also harm the cause of those who wish to clamp down on violent Islamic extremists, because it smacks of overstatement.
Public hog roast for the opening is required.
Sandy, you said it well. Concerned as I am with the possiblity of terrorist cells working out of mosques, or with Muslim “charities” that fund terrorist groups, I think this article is trying too hard to read the worst into what Abdul Rauf said.
Sandy, I don’t know if you read Hebrew, but about a year ago an Israeli living in England wrote a post to Ma’ariv. In it he recalled having a discussion (in Israel) with an Arab from Nablus who had worked for his family for years. I think the Arab had worked for the guy’s parents; now the Israeli was married and had a small boy.
The Israeli decided for whatever reason to ask this Arab about his obligations to Islam. In other words, he asked this man who he had known for years to what extent he would obey his Imam and Muhammad’s words if so asked. The Arab said that, if told by his Imam to do so, he would take the Israeli’s toddler and throw him out the window to his death. I believe he actually said these words while in the man’s apartment.
While there may be a difference between ‘believing Muslim’ and ‘Islamic extremist’, the very nature of Islam is that the average Muslim can become the extremist – and will do so – if the right signal, or order, is given.
shortly after 9/11, some women from our church met with femals members of the mosque next door to “exchange” ideas. I’m not the only one who was flabbergasted at the “we are PROUD to have no free will” (actual words) mentality of these women. They prove their devotion by unquestioningly doing WHATEVER they are told. I came away wtih a serious case of the creeps and my eyes are wide open.
Since then, I’ve joined a homeschool community that includes a Saudi woman who is a convert to christianity. we’ve had some dunces (who in reality have NO experience with islam) who promote the lie of the reglion of peace. The Saudi woman will ocassionally speak out about it is NOT a religion, but a legal system, including how her family is disobeying the laws of islam by NOT killing her for apostacy.
Sigh. I knew another Israeli in the Bay Area, at the time a grad student at Stanford. I went to a Shabbat dinner and distinctly remember him excitedly relaying how he had talked with some ‘Palestinians’ just before. They had of course discussed the ME, and the Arabs had quite politely and forcefully told him that they would destroy Israel, no matter what. I think this guy, who was not interested in politics, was so upset. They were pretty calm about the whole thing.
This is what upsets me as a ‘right-wing fascist’ type (choke); that my cousins and all those who died fighting Arabs in Israel are ‘followed’ by the Oslo Peace Process. What, they died in ’73 and before, were wounded, etc., so that Arabs could come into TA and Jerusalem and annihilate people in cafes and buses and shopping centers, with dynamite and rifles?
The Saudi woman is lucky she has a nice family…
Yeah, I do read Hebrew… in fact I live in Israel and have for 25 years. This may feed into my impulse to comment on this article and say: hey, this is alarmist and it feeds into the agenda of people who want to denounce all defenders of Western values as crazy, right-wing nut jobs.
There are plenty of perfectly appalling things said by Arab leaders all the time (for example, Palestinian Media Watch documents the anti-Semitic and anti-American hatred spewed by Israel’s partners in the “peace process”). So why does this author insist on basing this whole article around some statements that are not particularly inflammatory?
This imam may be an enormously dangerous individual, I don’t know. And I am certainly in agreement with many of the comments here, i.e., that the construction of a multi-story mosque near ground zero amounts to a distasteful and triumphal rubbing of American noses in the dirt. It would have been a tricky thing for PC American society to have stopped this mosque, but I wish they had. At the same time, I don’t think that the quotes attributed to this mosque’s leader constitute any kind of “ah hah” moment. We’ve heard it all before, and lots worse besides.
I don’t really understand what you’re saying then. I think it’s human nature to basically take both sides – or two sides – of an argument at the same time. I do it as well, but it looks to me that this is what you are doing, Sandy. Look at the Imam’s background, what he has said in Arabic, the title of his book when published outside the US – ‘Dawa at the WTC’ or in so many words.
Good for you that you have lived 25 years in Israel. Still, it matters very much how we think wherever we are. It probably matters more that you oppose the kind of Ha-aretz-think being there, which I am not, for the moment. It matters a great deal, given the prevalent views in the Israeli media and how the public listens to the anchors and the appeasing views of London, Kirschenbaum, Dan Margalit and many others every day.
Sandy,
You make some very good points. I too wonder if Rauf’s statements are the “smoking gun” that the Muslim Resistance needs to challenge our Muslim Aggressors. For me, the gross insensitivity of Rauf and his brethren for such a brazen proposal is enough. Any of the 20 members of the city council (or whatever they are) had a right to vote against this abomination of an idea. Yet 19 voted in favor. They’re obviously buying into the notion that the Moderate Muslims are going to convince the Extremists not to hurt us if we allow the moderates to be extremely insensitive to us. I suspect many of them will live to regret their vote.
now whoever wrote this or said this doesn’t know anything about Islam or has never heard anything about Islam’s Prophet Mohamed because the first person that would have come running to help that toddler would have been Mohamed. I’ve never heard of a man with more compassion for all human kind than Mohamed so stop spreading hate and start reading about the real man behind this religion and you’ll know in your heart that this man cared soooo much to protect all innocent lives especially toddlers
@umm mariam –
You are extremely incorrect. Where are you getting this information from? I would like to know. Muhammad WOULD have been the first one to kill a toddler. First of all, why would the Muslim even consider doing something like that if he was given the order to do so if it’s not likely?
Read from the Koran, Surah 9:5 “WHEN THE SACRED MONTHS ARE OVER slay the idolaters wherever you find them. Arrest them, besiege them, and lie in ambush everywhere for them. If they repent and take to prayer and render the alms levy, allow them to go their way. God is forgiving and merciful.”
The “sacred months” was only short amount of time of “no killing”, not peace. Mohammad killed his enemies and anyone who disagreed with him.
NO where in the bible does Jesus condone the killing of idolaters. I can think of someone more compassionate. How about Jesus?
STILL believe he was compassionate?
“Believers, take neither Jews nor Christians for your friends.” Surah 5:51
“Prophet make war on the unbelievers and the hypocrites and deal rigorously with them. Hell shall be their home.” Surah 9:73
“Muhammad is God’s apostle. Those who follow him are ruthless to the unbelievers but merciful to one another.” Surah 48:29
I would say this is the EXACT OPPOSITE of compassionate.
“Sure, we live in America, but any American law that prevents us from fulfilling our religious obligations as Jews is wrong, and should be struck down.”
You are comparing apples and oranges. Judaism is not Islam. I am surprised you don’t know that.
Sandy states : “I’m not sticking my head in the sand. I know that mosques are sometimes used as training grounds for violent indoctrination. “
Sometimes? Have you considered what is professed in EVERY mosque? The Fatiha (Opening) is the first sura (chapter) of the Qur’an and most common prayer of Islam. If you’re a pious Muslim who prays the five requisite daily prayers of Islam, you will recite the Fatiha seventeen times in the course of those prayers – EACH AND EVERY DAY. As Wafa Sultan states in her book “A God Who Hates”: “This verse describes Christians as “those who have gone astray” and Jews as “those who have incurred Your wrath.” We see from this that Muslims execrate Christians and Jews a number of times in the course of a single prayer, which they repeat five times a day.”
Sandy, this is routine indoctrination of hate which builds the foundation of hate enabling the training for violence. Why is this so difficult for you or anyone else to comprehend? Islam is not about peace. Islam is about triumphalism and submission of all.
LAN ASTASLEM (Arabic: لن استسلم )
Know Islam = No Peace.
No Islam = Know Peace.
Please remember the person who made these revelations is a former Muslim terrorist who is much more qualified to understand the mindset of an Imam than an orthodox Jew.
Sharia law applies to the world – in other words to conquer non Muslims, subjugate them, make them Muslims or kill them. When the Mahdi comes all Jewish males will be killed and women Islamisized, as well as Christianity obliterated. This is what their holy books tell them verbatem. It is not some radical element, it is the definition of their faith. Can you find anywhere in the Jewish or Christian faith that such a teaching is propagated based on what any of the scripture or oral law states?
You need to take the warnings of former Muslims and especially people like Walid Shoebat, Nonie Darwish and others like them very seriously, up to now few are heeding them, just like few heeded Winston Churchill until Germany invaded Poland.
I’m a Jew myself – and if an American law prevents you from living your life as an observant Jew, then get the hell out of America. No one has a right to subvert the dominant culture to suit their narrow interests. This wonderful nation allows you to live free from persecution, and if that isn’t good enough for you, then too bad. Attitudes like yours breed anti-semitism and I for one am sick of it.
I’m sorry to say that it is you who are wrong, Sandy, and here’s why. Said Imam is practicieng the taught principle of Taqiyya, which is the solemn DUTY of all Muslims to lie to the infidel to confuse him as to their real intentions. Studying this man’s history and track record proves that he is, as most Americans would inaccurately describe him, a radical Islamist. Even Mohammed said that war is deceit. (please find another prophet who espoused this point of view about war). For a solid frame of reference, one must read and understand the writings not of just the Kuran, but Sira and Hadith as well. (these three documents were referred to by none other than the head of the new black panthers, by the way. An accurate understanding of historical and political Islam (it is a system, including sharia, not a religion as WE think of religion) is not possible otherwise, nor is accurate assessment of what one hears and sees. The Muslim Brotherhood Project, that legally recognized document which is THE plan to take over this nation, mirrors that which is taking place today (actually vice versa). Read and know this document, and use it as a frame of reference for what you see and hear, and the truth will become apparent.If you believe that “radical Islam” is the hijacking of the Islamic “faith”, then, in your case, as many others, they have been successful to date in their endeavour to make Islam “palatable” to the unbeliever. Mainstream Islam (not practiced by many Muslims any more than many Chritians do the Bible) as described by the three documents cited above does not accept any religion other than itself, nor any law except Sharia. Feminists in the west have seen nothing like the real ugliness of sharia towards women, and the unbelievable suffering it still causes daily. The truth here is that real study is necessary to distinguish dialogue from mere puffery, no matter how well intended. I read the writings, understand the history, and constantly dig into the issues. It’s a ton of work. Seven years and counting, it’s still heartbreaking, especially when I think about my Grandson’s (and the nation’s) future. History is full of nations which marched compliantly to their doom because people would or could not accept the enormity of what was happening. When Treblinka was being set up, there were Jews who managed to escape. They returned to the Getto in Warzawa to warn their brethren that it was not a relocation, but an extermination. They were ignored, because the people, even aware of the prosecution of their people across history, could not get their heads around the concept of the attempted extermination of an entire people from the face of the earth as being in the realm of possibility. Who could do such a thing? It’s been attempted before and will be again. The true enormity of what faces us is mind boggling, to say the least. The inability to face it despite the evr growing mountain of evidence, is a truely huge human tragedy in the making.
Imam Faisal Abdul Rauf, is a big liar. This action from him regarding the ground zero mosque is just
an attempt to promote the Shariah laws. He represent the most violent religion and should be sent back to
the Middle East and never allowed to come back. It should be a fatwa on him!!
The approval of the Ground Zero Mosque is a slap in the face insult to the memory of every of every person that was murdered on September 11th, 2001 as well as their families and friends.
It is proof beyond any doubt that the politicians in New York and New Your City do not choke on anything when it comes to pleasuring or satisfying their own greed, lust and power.
While this should have produced total fury and outrage in every American’s mind it didn’t. Only on web sites like PJM and/or similar (quasi) conservative media has there been any real passion.
Maybe when New Yorkers are forced to take off their shoes and bow while walking through the “declared” Muslim sacred holy ground where the twin towers used to stand they will wake up?
No? As I recall 08:00 AM, September 11th, 2001 it was a nice, blue sky day. No one in their right mind would have thought hell itself would descend down upon New York City, Washington, DC and the entire world less than one hour later.
But, liberals are smart. Liberals know everything. Right?
Didn’t some prominent smart liberal recently say that, “God is a Democrat?”
Shortly, New Yorkers (we) will see how well that sets with the Muslims.
Now that the decision to proceed has been made, all we need is a name.
Cordoba Center? Too obscure.
I vote for Mosque of the Magnificent 19.
After all, that’s how they’re known in Dar-al-Islam.
As a demonstration of free speech drip pig blood all around the site if the Mosque. This is only to demonstrate displeasure with the idea.
If a mosque was being built in MY backyard, I don’t think it would ever be finished. Some things are worth going to jail for.
It is clearly meant to be victory flag raised after a succesful battle. Otherwise, why not put the mosque where Muslims actually live? And why 15 stories tall, when all the others in the city are 2 or 3 stories? We in the west must always bend over backwards not to offend Muslims, no matter how unintentionally. Well, it’s time for them to return the favor and worry about offending us.
I could care less about this masjid and this imam, however, I do care about how ignorance is bliss!!!! Asking is the cure for ignorance! I can see from wat I am reading that NONE Of you racist have steped outside of ur little minded boxes to learn ANY FACTUAL information about islam, you feel better about yourselves spreading assumption….This is why the world is the way it is bcuz be like you all….get a real clue and stop googling, try a authentic website that is not biast or anti islamic and read the truth about…heres one “turntoislam”…..than talk, but atleast you would than speak the truth! Darn…..philadelphian..
As you can see by my name, I am a former Muslim. Would you like to try to tell me that I don’t know anything about Islam? Everything said about Islam, Muslims in general and Mohammed on this web site so far is true, right and correct. I have read the barbaric Quran (yes, maybe 10% of it is “peace and love”, but the other 90% is “terror, dominate, fight, conquer, subjugate the infidel, be hard, humiliate, kill and kill some more) and the (a few sensible, but mostly batshit crazy) sayings and traditions of Mohammed, and biographies of Mohammed. Please note that these biographies were written by Muslims, MUSLIMS, who praise Mohammed to the skies. His life history, as carefully recorded by his own followers, show him to be a robber/looter/rapist/torture advocate/promoter of slavery/ mass murderer/pedophile/terrorist leader. I want you to know that I fell for Muslim propaganda way back in 1990 and converted to Islam before reading the Quran. It took me years to get out of the religion. I don’t want anyone else to convert to Islam based on the way Muslim apologists present it. I have found that most Muslims either know very little about Islam or simply lie about it to convert or confuse the “kaffir”.
Yup. Bow, infidels, kneel before Zod!
This says as much about the idiocy of “progressive politic” as it does how brazen the Muslim Imam and his following must be. I mean who is really worse?
Is it the Imam and the Muslim powers that can’t understand no matter how pure their intent, this will be perceived as arrogance and rubbing salt in the wounds?
Or is it the “do gooders” and Liberal bleeding hearts from the Blame America First crowd that see this as an act of tolerance and voted for it? The powers that be could have could have found a way to have stopped this if they really wanted.
I’ve about run out of sympathy for Manhattan if she won’t help herself first.
If memory serves, right after 9/11, Rauf was the go-to guy for many media outlets. He did many interviews, and had a peculiar inability to make eye contact with his interviewers, which raised many red flags for me. He looked a little different then, a little more gaunt, and rather than sporting his latest Western-friendly academic turtleneck disguise, he appeared, as I recall, in fill Islamic regalia, including flowing robes and cap. His cosmetic appearance may seem unimportant, but I think it shows that great pains have gone into his PR makeover to make the Sharia medicine go down a little easier for clueless infidels.
If he’s the same guy I recall, and I’m fairly certain he is, there will be many more videos of Rauf, including several denying that Muslims were involved in the 9/11 attack. These occurred mere hours after the attack. Rauf’s dissonant interviews on this particular subject are seared into my memory – and he coupled this insane denial with assertions that Muslims themselves were the true victims of 9/11! Though I cannot recall which network(s) he appeared on, several damning videos exist which show this sinister imam tossing sand in infidel eyes mere hours after the 9/11 atrocity, and asserting that the Muslim rapists who conducted 9/11, and Muslims in general who widely isupported it, were the true victims of the obscenity we’d all just witnessed.
I hope some enterprising person knows how to access old videos to unearth the sewage this imam spewed mere moments after those buildings toppled. I’m agnostic, but I’m convinced were watching an Apostle of Satan when this man opens his mouth.
saturate the site with pig blood and bacon.
I’d be willing to bet that this mosque have been used in some fashon during the next islamic terror attack on NYC.
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com
A very passionate woman railed against this mosque on Foxnews and spoke about the importance of symbolism in the Muslim world.
I read yesterday, in passing, that construction of the mosque had been approved. Apparently, intentional obfuscation of true motives combined with the right price can buy anything in lower Manhattan.
Such a mosque at such a location is a monumental insult to this country. I have no doubt that this imam would, without any conscience whatsoever, indulge in taqiyya to snow NYC officials.
So here we are, one step closer to “…sabotaging the miserable house of the unbelievers from within” with the apparent complicity of officialdom in NYC.
I think that a mosque in a pesthole city that serves as the capital of libtardom,PC “diversity”,welfare dependency,and left-wing plutocracy,DESERVES a Mosque on ground zero. Hell, Sharia law would be a vast improvement over what NY has become under libtardism .Let’s hear it for “hope and change”!
Have New Yorkers become such dhimmis that a mosque on ground zero barely rates a raised eyebrow? What will it take to shake people up? MORE Pearl Harbors and 9-11s?
No New Yorkers aren’t dhimmis. They’re just good liberal leftists who believe in nothing, value nothing, despise their own people, values, heritage, history, culture, and institutions.
Perhaps the real reason AG Holder moved the trial of KSM from New York was that, after they took a closer look, they determined that the odds were good that he would walk.
I can’t believe it, I am completely shocked. A mosque in Ground Zero? That’s a memorial of Islam victory over Civilization on 9/11, it’s more than clear!!!!
I thought that we the Eurabians were the only ones brainwashed to become peaceful Dhimmies, but I see in the USA they are doing a good job too. This thing sounds to me like Hitler building a monument to the SS guards of Auschwitz downtown in Warsow.
The outrage against the mosque is pure religious bigotry by Bible-thumping right-wing Jesus freaks who can’t stand that there are people in this world that don’t care one whit about the Bible or the Christian theocracy that ruled this country under Bush.
No, “Vinny”, it is not. Nice try though. The current administration of the Federal Government does not want to admit that islam is waging a war against the USA, and all non-islamic countries. They want to believe that there are “moderate” muslims that will rise up and cast out the “small radical minority” of muslims that are terrorists.
Meanwhile the rest of the country with common sense and the ability to not hide their heads in the sand can see that it has been almost 9 years since the attack and there has been nothing but some empty words from “moderate” muslims and a whole lot of terrorist attacks and wars from the “small minority” all over the world.
Mosques are used a victory markers in islam. It is not the only reason to build one, but it is one of them. As there has been no major event involving islam other than the 9/11 attacks building a large mosque there makes no sense unless it is to celebrate a victory for islam. The opening date & name only support the case that this is a victory mosque.
Sorry, Vinny. I’m an atheist and while I think Christianity is stupid, that’s about all it is. Islam, on the other hand, is stupid, supremist, violent, hateful, and dangerous as evidenced by it’s very own “Holy” texts. The violence in the bible is descriptive, while the violence in the Qur’an is prescriptive.
Besides, one need not base the construction of an insensitive mosque at the former WTC site on the basis of any other religion. Why do that? We’re basing this on Islam and Islam alone, which is the ideology at the center of this whole issue, you know. So before you lump every mosque opponent into the same “bible thumping” category, make sure you’re getting your facts straight. Sure, maybe that makes you feel better, but reality check — Islam is the problem and you can’t avoid that by sticking your head in the sand forever and hoping that Christians are the worst of your problems. They’re really not.
Mate, do yourself a favour, pick up a copy of the Qur’an and start reading to give yourself a crash course in Islam. Oh, and remember: be aware to read the surahs and verses in the order of intended abrogation. Since the Qur’an is a jumble of texts, compiled in no specific order, many kafir have trouble with putting things in context and understanding the overall progression from peaceful (early parts when Mohammed still had few followers) to violence (later parts where Mohammed acquired more power, land, and followers). That one’s a doozy.
And you are from what planet?
There’s a rather large difference between a true theocracy (e.g. Islam) and people who happen to be Christians participating in their own government.
Vinny,
It’s been a year and a half dude. Time to drop the BDS. Seriously, if you can’t kick it on your own, get help. Maybe there’s a twelve step program out there for it.
SreveG, I’m a psychotherapist in my own practice. I’ve been in the counseling field for almost 40 years and I can tell you that all the therapy and anti-psychotics in the world won’t help Vinney. BDS as a psychosis is so far incurable and 18 months of Obama not getting him out of BDS is proof that it’s incurable.
Peace out!
The Bible Thumpers haven’t killed nearly as many Americans as the Camel Humpers. If it would ease your disturbed mind we could let the Camel Humpers fight the Bible Thumpers then we could just kill the winner. Would that ease your limited mind? Take your meds Vinney.
#20 deguello
Finally a common-sense approach to the problem. Give the New Yorkers the fruits of their karma.
It’s the jihad, stupid! Personally, I would allow the same number of mosques as the Saudis allow churches. As for the ground zero mosque? Pig’s blood. Buckets of.
Sorry, Vinny. I’m an atheist and while I think Christianity’s stupid, that’s about all it is. Islam, on the other hand, is stupid, supremist, violent, hateful, and dangerous as evidenced by it’s very own “Holy” texts. The violence in the bible is descriptive, while the violence in the Qur’an is prescriptive.
Besides, one need not base the construction of an insensitive mosque at the former WTC site on the basis of any other religion. Why do that? We’re basing this on Islam and Islam alone, which is the ideology at the center of this whole issue, you know. So before you lump every mosque opponent into the same “bible thumping” category, make sure you’re getting your facts straight. Sure, maybe that makes you feel better, but reality check — Islam is the problem and you can’t avoid that by sticking your head in the sand forever and hoping that Christians are the worst of your problems. They’re really not.
Mate, do yourself a favour, pick up a copy of the Qur’an and start reading to give yourself a crash course in Islam. Oh, and remember: be aware to read the surahs and verses in the order of intended abrogation. Since the Qur’an is a jumble of texts, compiled in no specific order, many kafir have trouble with putting things in context and understanding the overall progression from peaceful (early parts when Mohammed still had few followers) to violence (later parts where Mohammed acquired more power, land, and followers). That one’s a doozy.
Is Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf — founder of the hugely controversial Ground Zero mosque — lying to the American public and his fellow New Yorkers?
See also Jihad Watch and the definition of “Taqiyya” or Religious Deception
“The outrage against the mosque is pure religious bigotry by Bible-thumping right-wing Jesus freaks who can’t stand that there are people in this world”
Along with a few other people who take offense at being bullied, intimidated and murdered.
“An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last”.
– Winston Churchill
It is apparent that one of two situations are at play here – ether the progressives do not recognize the danger from islam (I refuse to capitalize for this piss-ant religion) or they are appeasing them hoping to be left standing and what they see as an inevitable outcome. If the latter is true – and I think this is the case – had this vote had been a thumbs down for the mosque many of those council members may well have wet their pants in sheer terror.
The more important question is: why hasn’t this information been published far and wide? Obviously, that was a rhetorical question, but an important one nonetheless
The best way to infiltrate and control a society is to establish cultural or religious centers. This is what the USA should be doing in all countries, especially Islamic and anti-capitalist. It’s been done before.
Once again,the NY city council proves themselves to be a conclave of idiots.
For all of the deluded posters who believe the “religion of peace” claptrap, I suggest you try to build a cathedral next to mecca, or a chapel in Iran, or for that matter simply draw a cartoon about Mohammad, and see what the world’s most tolerant religion has to say (that is if you are still alive to hear it). Mohammed was a brutal tyrant, thief, liar, butcher, pedophile, and rapist. Why anyone would want to follow the ‘teachings’ of this sub-human neanderthal is beyond me.
Islam, like Muhammad, has no intention of co-existing with other religions. Remember how the art comunity was excited and titillated with ‘piss christ’, that wonderful edgy ‘artwork’ that showed a crucifix in a glass of urine? And remember the suicide bombings and fatwas issued by the Christian community? Neither do I. In the name of tolerance, freedom of expression and religious freedom, the leftists posting here might create ‘piss Mohammed’ and see how that flies with the Muslim community. You probably wouldn’t even get NEA funding.
New Yorkers, shut-up and take it up your asses. We broght the land and will do anything we want with it, got it.
An inspired comment, sure to add much to the discussion. Sort of like trying to stuff ten pounds of crap into a five pound bag.
I saw you the other day, Akmed, a dirty beard and a brain reduced in size for too much turban wearing. Your attitude is illuminating. That’s why many Americans don’t welcome people living in a regressive society with extreme hypocritical views. Go back to your desertic hellhole.
I have followed the WTC site rebuilding process from the beginning. The building of a mosque near the site is only the latest in the ongoing dhimmification of the site and the obscene political correctness that has characterized the rebuilding process from day 1.
The first mistake was failure to rebuild the Twin Towers as a strong statement against terrorism. This was the second jihadist victory after knocking those towers down. By failing to rebuild the Towers, the terrorists were handed a symbolic victory that we were cut down to size. The family members of the 9/11 victims failed to realize this. For them, the WTC site was theirs now, and nothing could be built there. The politicians lined up to indulge their whims, especially George “Nothing Will Be Built Where Those Towers Stood” Pataki. Those of us who organized to fight for rebuilding the Twin Towers were demonized by victims’ family groups as “materialistic, greedy people who spit on the graves of the victims and hate their families,” and were shut out of the rebuilding process and ignored by all these politicians eager to curry favor with America’s newest victim group.
The second mistake was designing a huuuuuge politically correct memorial of everflowing waterfalls in a forest. Any reminders or artifacts of 9/11 were to be out of sight in an underground museum. There was to be no mention of terrorism or jihad, it was too “provacative.” And the names of the dead were to be randomly arranged on a wall, with no indication of age or where they worked. A visitor will not be able to know if the name on the wall is a child on one of the airplanes, a firefighter, a bond trader on the 99th floor of the North Tower, or someone who was killed in the Pentagon or on Flight 93 (yes, these victims are included in the WTC memorial). This was done to “avoid the use of hierarchies.”
These victims’ family members never counted on the fact that no one out-victimizes Muslims, not even those murdered in their name.
Now the ultimate, logical conclusion of this trainwreck of a rebuilding process, in part accelerated by these victims’ families, is a mega-mosque by ground zero. What else would befit a WTC site without the Twin Towers and with a PC megamemorial? For all these individuals who demonized those wanting the Twin Towers rebuilt, how does it feel now that the cowardly politicians are calling you racists and bigots for not wanting a mosque built? Did you really think it would come to anything else? The only thing that will be open at Ground Zero on 9/11/11 will be that mosque. There, the jihadists can enjoy their 9/11 victory over America, while the infidel dhimmis, rather than reclaiming the sky over Ground Zero will be licking their wounds by two 1-acre waterfalls while traffic whizzes by them on a re-connected Greenwich Street (this was a requirement for rebuilding the WTC site) and construction cranes are still trying to build some office space.
does the good imam suffer from the same hubris of WWII era Japanese Military? Anyone not of their culture is too stupid to learn their language. muslims build mosques at sites of conquest. the NY pols are nothing more than naive fools who will have blood on their hands.
My mother-in-law’s father was a Christian who fled turkey 100 years ago in order to save his life. we are not fooled.
Just as a side note, in our area an Islamic Center petitioned for a permit to extend their center (by about 5x), saying the building is now too small to serve their growing community.
The center is in a residential neighborhood. They originally got to have the center by an agreement the city council made with the homeowners that it would never grow any larger, thus posing a traffic problem and esthetic problems.
The council turned down this request for expansion. The Islamic Center plans to sue on the grounds of “discrimination”.
So someone said, why not just move the center? Because, the center explained, once a religious center has been established, it can never, by Islamic law, be moved.
RECIPROCITY is the word.
If they want us to believe in “religious dialogue”, THEY need to let us build churches and synagogues and temples and pagodas and terreiros (etc. etc.) in any and every muslim country.
EXACTLY!
Let’s see how SINCERE they are and let us build things in their countries without dozens of troops surrounding them 24/7 . . .
I fail to understand why ANY New Yorker would approve a construction of a mosque on the holy soil of ‘Ground Zero’.
A primitive sekt of islamic idiots committed mass murder on innocent people in the name of their pedophile prophet.
If New York is going to allow that it would be a disgrace for all your killed, brave soldiers in Iraq and Afghanistan and certainly for the almost 3000 murdered civilians.
Don’t give the islam ONE INCH of space, because they will take it all.
It is a barbaric religion and it does not know any mercy to anyone who is not islamic.
never knew americans to be so full of hate and not afraid of racist talk. the America I know is open and just. we don’t punish everyone of the same color or country or background and we don’t generalize. just because there was 19 terrorists are you passing judgement on the 1.5 billion muslims in the world. and if this talk on this website is an attack on the religion, let the religion speak for itself. bring real verses from the quran and let’s see where you disagree. because what I know is God says He doesn’t order us to be enemies with those that have not thrown you out of your homes and land, do not befriend those who do so” so therefore it’s self defense
Look at it this way: when the day of reckoning comes, and sooner or later it will, we know where to find the enemy ….
The imam has done what every liar occasionally does … he let his mask slip.
minutes 3 to 4 specifically -
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iJY4e24kqrE&feature=related
The city of Cordoba, in Spain, during the Middle Ages, was the capital of an Islamic Caliphate. When Ferdinand and Isabella threw the Moors out of Spain the city reverted to it’s Catholic heritage. However in the eyes of the Moors the city of Cordoba was once and is now considered to be forever part of the Islamic Caliphate, only waiting to be reconquered to be brought under control again. So why the little history lesson? Well words have meaning don’t ya see. So by naming the new mosque in NYC after the city of Cordoba the Muslims are effectively saying that once they build their mosque it will make that part of NYC an Islamic property, now and forever. And once the camel has got it’s nose under the tent, so to speak, it’s not going to be satisfied until the whole camel is in the tent.If New Yorkers want to give over their city to Islam let them do so. Maybe that’s what it will take to wake them up.
As a NYer, I don’t think anything short of a mushroom cloud will wake these people up. Not even the failed Times Square bombing carried out by a lone wolf (who just happened to be Muslim) frustated with his home foreclosure made a dent in these people’s minds.
It is not just leftist New Yorkers (believe it or not, there is a conservative underground in NY, but we are vastly outnumbered), but Obama, a majority of democrats and liberals from coast to coast who promote the jihadist takedown of our country and would welcome the deaths of millions of Americans at the hands of terrorists to extirpate historic American guilt and initiate a Reichstag Fire moment that would allow the Marxists to consolidate power.
New Yorkers are much like American Jews. They’ll vote for their own extermination if it will piss off us rubes and hay shakers in fly over country. Look at the bright side, they wont have to steal any planes next time. They’ll have an armory in downtown NY.
Their building a mosque at Ground Zero. Let’s blame the Jews. Kudos on your critical thinking.
I’m glad we finally got that straight; that does limit the reasonable alternatives for dealing with a barbaric imperial religion. I guess that leaves the systematic genocide of barbarians? Kill all the men and enslave all the women. It worked for the Romans and the Mongols; in point of fact, it’s worked for the Muslims too. It’s just a matter of political will and the dedication to those amoral animal survival values.
Bend over, America, here comes more “diversity”!
I have to agree with you on this one. This is the wrong thing to do. I hope it is stopped and does not happen.
It’s not diversity that’s an issue. In fact, it’s irrelevant. It’s about terrorists destroying our country from within. They [Imam and extremists] are taking advantage of the greatness of America to destroy it and all it’s citizens. They are using the first amendment right against us to build that Mosque. Americans are intolerant and bigots if they are against building the mosque. Where is Imam’s tolerance and sensitivity to the victims and their families? His “peaceful” religion called Islam (submission) is anything but. The fact that they build a mosque at every site they “conquer” should NOT be ignored.
I won’t stop him from building his Mosque, but I will never let him or his beliefs tread on me!
#38. Sherab Zangpo
“If they want us to believe in “religious dialogue” [Muslims] need to let us build churches and synagogues … in any and every muslim country.”
Excellent point. Does it ever bother the infidels who support these Muslim building projects in the West that Muslims show little but genocidal intolerance for others across the bloody arc of Islam? Does it ever trouble those Western infidels who stand up in solidarity with Muslims and accuse their fellow infidels of being “bigots” and “racists” that Muslims, even those of the so-called “moderate” variety, spend most of their time lecturing us about our supposed intolerance, but spend virtually no time lecturing their vile co-religionists about their rampant intolerance? Or that Muslims seem to be focused solely on erecting ever more Islamic “outreach” centers within our territory, while expending no efforts to fight against the violent genocidal strands and so-called “extremism” of their fellow Muslims.
One can only conclude that even those supposedly moderate Muslims believe that the blame for Islamic violence and mass-murder lies squarely and solely on OUR shoulders, and that WE are the ones in need of instruction and enlightenment on the topic of Jihad violence. There is no moderate Islam. There are no moderate Muslims. There are only Muslims who understand their Islam, and those who do not.
Mr. Shoebat: I am shocked that you are finding out that he lied and also lie!! really shocked!
Look: regardless of his religion, they all lie.. no matter what religion…
In related news, Germans plan to build 3000-seat Brauhaus next door to Auschwitz….
And don’t forget the Shinto shrine being planned for Pearl Harbor, adjacent to the USS Arizona memorial. That will show ‘em how tolerant we Americans are.
We should boycott the Arizona because of the racist behavior of its namesake state.
I say, put a statue of Hernan Cortes in the Mexican Congress’ building and in front of the National Council of La Raza’s headquarters giving them the finger.
The only reason they are in America is to change America. They are told in their book that they are forbidden to follow any other law. They can’t be good muslims and live in America. Because they aren’t allowed to follow our laws. Their intent is bad and it’s foolish to believe otherwise.
Muslims are no different from Roman conquerors, Genghis Khan, the British colonizers, the Spanish conquerors, the Nazis, and other blood-thirsty maniacs.
Their religion is just a facade. Words are useless, actions count.
This should be plain enough:
Abu Imran, leader of Sharia4Belgium -
Because we are Muslims and thus we are victors, who are here to dominate. And those who cannot accept the dominance of Islam will have to leave. For my part, to hell.”
Anjem Choudary, leader of the in England banned Islam4UK, sounded very threatening in Antwerp.
“We will only rest when the flag of Islam flies everywhere.”
Islam is not a religious belief system. It is a political system which masquerades as a religious system.
You are correct. You cannot believe anything Imam says, or any true Muslim for that matter because they have been given permission by Mohammad to deceive infidels by lying to take over the world. We are the most vulnerable because we are the freest country in the world. That’s way it is so important to not let our constitution be jeopardized by this so-called religion, of peace and tolerance they no less say.
Some people on here are very naive about the “religion” putting on blinders to avoid being called a racist or bigot. Stop with the political correctness crap and do some homework. Read the constitution, read your history, read about the truth of Islam and Christianity. You will see how dangerous this is. Nudge here, nudge there; when America wakes up it will be too late.
The Imam doesn’t believe in religious dialogue. No doubt the Koran doesn’t leave much room for diaglogue. At any rate there hasn’t been much in the Middle East. My argument is not with the Imam. My argument is with my fellow Americans. Disarmament, neutrality, appeasement are not reasonable policies to deal with the threats that we face.
How sad that the will of these particular Americans has eroded to this point. They have become the enabling half of a domestic abuse relationship. Well New York, it is a tragic day indeed. The Muslim world laughs at your weakness. To the victor goes the spoils.
Much like with the liberals, the muslim march to world domination is real. We infidels, especially the morons that do not understand what this mosque at ground zero will actually represent to these radicals, will pay dearly for this level of naivety.
We have children “leading” us.
Hey mohos! Here is our answer to your invasion:
“Oh! thus be it ever, when freemen shall stand
Between their loved home and the war’s desolation!
Blest with victory and peace, may the heav’n rescued land
Praise the Power that hath made and preserved us a nation.
Then conquer we must, when our cause it is just,
And this be our motto: “In God is our trust.”
And the star-spangled banner in triumph shall wave
O’er the land of the free and the home of the brave!”
-Francis Scott Key, “The Star Spangled Banner”
Be warned, we freedom fighters have no intention of flying the Star Spangled Banner over only our own land; the Star Spangled Banner shall fly over Mecca in triumph, and you barbarians shall feel yourselves subdued, and pay tribute to those you planned to plunder.
Well, Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf, on your statement “I don’t believe in religious dialogue,” I absolutely agree. The day is coming when western civilization will finally wake up and will crush islam. We have only had a series of draws, basically, during your bloodthirsty history. We gave you Africa, the Middle East, parts of Asia, even parts of the Pacific. Until recently, we kept Europe and the Americas. You’ve done pretty well reclaiming Europe, so we’ll see how that goes.
However, ultimately, the innocent dialogue we westerners have tried to have with your duplicitous, feigning taquija will only succeed in opening our eyes against the fanatical, bloodthirsty backdrop of your violence. See, we here in the west have a culture (apart from the leftists) of being straightforward and truthful. Many of us haven’t quite realized that Arabs and Muslims don’t operate under the same principles of honesty (verses the shame-base culture), but we will. Therefore, many of us understand that dialogue with you is futile.
What you will experience, instead, when we do wake up, is the unrelenting, systematic destruction of your religion, be it violent or not. I happen to think it will be along the lines of what we had to do to Japan, since that was a destruction of not only her military capability, but of the fanaticism that propelled it. Whatever the vehicle, your death cult will not prevail.
Ah yes, the unbelievable hypocrisy of islam rears it’s ugly head yet again. One has to wonder when (or more importantly if) the West will ever wake-up and recognize the threat that islam poses. The liberals, pacifists, minions of the ‘politically-correct’ paradigm, media, and democrats have all but given the house away; islamic settlement is now taking root in America unabated. We are the next Eurabia.
Why do you think Islamists hide their women, treat them like second-class citizens and sometimes like animals? They are AFRAID of the power of a FREE woman. Islam will turn upside down when some courageous women free themselves and all others. Let them come to the Western world and compare their lives with the free women. It’s already happening.
Three Stooges is the right context here. What a bunch of chowderheads. The Constitution should be amended to allow it to attack people and religions who espouse such views. He should be deported and muslim immigration stopped entirely.
That goes against everything America stands for. You do know what the first amendment right is, correct? Freedom of religion. We do, as Americans, need to have religious tolerance. The first amendment right allows them to build that Mosque. Is it right, no, of course not. We do know the truth about Islam, but if we throw a Muslim out of the country simply because of his or her faith, attack them for their religion on our land and theirs then we have become no better than them, the Nazi’s or the British pre-1800′s.
I do understand your frustration, so that’s why it’s extremely imperative to know the Constitution, Bill of Rights and our history.
yeah, and when that mosque has been built…new yorkers will have to suffer
“All-a-you FooBar All-a-you, FooBar blah blah blah” five times a day over blaring loud speakers…wonder how long NYC geldings will put up with THAT crap??
On this point I agree with Feisal Abdul Rauf, religions do not dialogue. As a Christian what would be the goal of dialoging with Islam? That if they accept Jesus as Lord and Savior then I would accept their false prophet? Islam is the enemy as far as the Gospel is concerned. Christ did say love your enemies, but he did not command us to “dialogue” (i.e., compromise) with them.
Furthermore, as an American, should I dialogue about Sharia? Maybe we can come to a compromise. We ban the burqa but honor killings are still acceptable. Or maybe we can cut a deal that allows gays to live as long as they pay an extra tax (i.e., a jizya) to fund a national mosque. Or, and this might just be the best idea of all, we keep the Office of the President but replace all the White House czars with Imams.
Folks, you do not dialogue with Islam. You either crush it or be crushed.
#59 The so called men in NY carry purses and ride public transportation.The geldings will take whatever the muslims demand.
Upon exiting the Constitutional Convention. Benjamin Franklin was asked by a woman, “What kind of government have you given us?” Franklin responded with one of the most famous quotations in history, “A Republic if you can keep it.”
Ask most Americans (especially libtards) today what kind of government they have and most will respond a democracy.
I wonder how long we will keep it – being assaulted not only from an insipid religious movement – but with the assistance of our very own on the political left. Too stupid to read a traffic sign that says DANGER!
Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan.
Mosques are our barracks, domes our helmets, minarets our bayonets, believers our soldiers. This holy army guards my religion.
(1997)
Ground Zero Imam: ‘I Don’t Believe in Religious Dialogue’
Anybody surprised?
Read te koran!
Bring out the “General Pershing Principle” to fighting this medieval force that is imposing itself on us and undermining our civilisation with the pursoe of taking over and dictate to us how to live life under their barbaric Sharia law,. Fight them not with guns and swords. Death in Jihad for them is a passport to their heaven. But death by “bacon or the fat of pigs” or being tainted at the time of burial!!. Now you are talking! This will prevent them getting to heaven and their 72 “raisins”.
With all due respect Ustaz Walid, you didn’t even read the whole article. The guy said that the phrase “religious dialogue” is a misnomer, not that he didn’t think solving things between religions was a good idea. In fact he agreed that there are problems between Muslims and Christians which need to be solved. Specifically, he said it is understandable that people are upset about the treatment of Christians in Egypt and the sectarian violence, and that Muslims should take their heads out of the sand. He also appeared to condemn the lack of diversity of opinion in the Middle East (which he ties to the days of Nasser and his expulsion of minorities such as Jews and Greeks). Rampant Extremist? Or do you just not read Arabic?
CJ,
While your quote is correct, he did state these things, but you must also agree that he also stated what I correctly translated. This, Ustaz CJ is something you should not deny, do you?
One must find the cyanide in the punch. I did, while you seem to still gaze at the punch, go ahead, drink, bon appetit, and while you drink this chalice, it does not mean I cannot warn vulnerable Americans that have their heads in the sand.
The question I ask — which side are you on? The Islamists or Americans? There is only one way to know, the ones that tells others to ignore the cyanide endorse the murder through Taqqiya and Kittman.
Walid Shoebat
Of course he doesn’t. Why a muslim should? All that a muslim is supposed to do is proclaiming the alleged superiority of his faith on the others.
Islam is a transcendent faith, it does not pretend to explain its message through reasoning or humanity.
There’s a reason why it means “submission”, submission to a sadistic, irrational evil deity and its perverted prophet.
If Islam used reason Muslims could see by itself that the example of their prophet is ungodly. But alas, their definition of right and wrong is based on the evil of Muhammad himself.
It should be clear enough why there can’t be any dialogue.
There can be no dialogue—this is some kind of surprise? Christianity, Judaism and Islam are all religions laying claim to the same One God. Each is opposed to the other because they change the basic path to that God.
Christians, do you really think that Jews are ‘fine’ with the fact that you co-opted their faith and messiah story–and left them out?
There may be friendship between members of the three monotheisms, but it is in spite of their tenets–not because of them.
To Jews, the One God is theirs and theirs alone, they do not proselytize, they do not recruit. You are jewish or you’re not.
To Christians, the One God is open to anyone who accepts His Son–and they really want you to accept His Son.
To Muslims, the One God is only open to the people who have submitted to him after there is no one besides them. They will convert you–or kill you to get you out of the way. Heaven is not open until the Dar al-Islam exists without the Dar al-Harb.
Tell me, where is dialogue possible in this?
Dialogue is only possible among you if you ignore the religions–in which case there is no point to an ‘interfaith’ dialogue.
As Americans, we had better put a screeching halt on the building of this NY City mosque, and all other places in the USA. As Americans, we need to shut down the Souther Border of the USA, secure our ports, and then enforce immigration laws strenuously and get back to some fiscal and social sanity in the USA. We now have politicians who are openly anti-USA, including our own elected POTUS. we now have members of congress, such as the entire congressional black caucus, who embrace Castro and other communist dictators. We now have subversives at all levels of government, who are subverting this nation openly. We now have illegal invaders who openly riot and protest, and burn U.S. flags and raising foreign flags. We have terrorist groups such as LaRaza, a Latinon racist organization, declaring that the Southwest USA belongs to Mexicon. We now have high school teachers who are teaching students that they, the Latino students, should raise arms against the USA. We now have Muslims infiltrating our country silently waiting until the time is right for them to act. And, we have a lot of complacent citizens who are still watching TV while rioting is going on in the streets.
Wake Up America. We have to take our country back, and we have to look at Islam for what it is: A subversive foreign religious-political organization that has world domination as it’s primary aim. We have to outlaw this terrorist organization posing as a religion. We have to put an end to LaRaza, a foreign racist organization that is bent on subverting this nations laws. We have foreign invaders who do not recognize our traditions, values, culture, language or borders. It is time to Take This Country back, and then Clean House of all these Illegal Invaders from Mexico, From the Middle East, Eastern Europe or any other place where elements hostile to this nation come from. Wake Up America. We have to take this country back. That is why we have to begin electing True Conservative American Patriots. The goons and subversives in DC have sold out the rest of the country, and Obama is the lead subversive.
I am the same. No religious dialogue. The mosque shall not stand. I will not even have to do anything about it. It is so wrong to its roots that it shall fall under the weight of lies that built it. I also know how to use a Ram’s Horn and make a Plea before the All Mighty. The walls shall not stand.
As far as any kind of fatwa preventing property from being sold to certain groups, realtors are legally forbidden from doing such things. If any prospective buyer suspects that a seller is blocking a particular protected group from buying a property (and religion is protected…even Christianity, so far), he/she can report the realtor to the overseeing authority, and action should be taken against that realtor, possibly including the loss of his/her license. Additionally, in my opinion, it is the highest offense for an outsider of any ilk to come into America and dare to attempt to set up any other set of laws besides those established by our Founding Fathers in the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution and accessory legislation. We always have been and always were intended to be a democratic republic, of the people, by the people, and for the people; our laws are based on Christian principles and commandments and are intended for none other. It’s called Constitutional law…not “sharia” law. Our language is English, our culture is American. We are a proud people who don’t take kindly to anybody who threatens our flag (that would be the Stars and Stripes, and it’s red, white, and blue—not red, white, and green) our Armed Forces, or our families. If you don’t like any of this, our border doors swing out as well as in, so don’t let them hit you in the behind as you leave! Be assured that we won’t miss you when you’re gone.
The imam Faisal Abu Rauof Is Right.. God Bless Him
He is right…Right and right….
pajamas Media are bias…..
Go to Hell
I’m an American with normal American Values who feels the Quran represents these values better than the previous revalations (The Hebrew and Christian Bibles). I’m also a Republican. I believe I’m the only person here who read Iman Rauf’s book “What’s Right with Islam.’ If you actually read the book, instead of just a couple of quotes out of context, you would realize that this man is very Pro-American. In Chapter 3 “What’s Right with America” on page 86 of this book he has a subtitle “America: A Shariah Compliant State.” So he feels America represents a Truly Islamic Country.
Instead of taking a couple of quotes out of context, you should really investigate who you are talking about.
I’m looking forward to the opening of this mosque, and exercising my religious freedom as an American with moslems who love my country as much as I do.
And by the way, Osama Bin Laden was created by the CIA in Afganistan during the 80′s
Am I the only one who is underwhelmed by this “shocking revelation”?
His refusal to embrace “religious dialogue” mere means, in context, that he’s against the “can’t-we-all-get-along” annoying conferences that mean nothing, and that one should admit Islam and Christianity are not compatible in their beliefs because they have different dogma. I think he’s 100% correct in this. This is clearly not the same thing as thinking Muslims and Christians cannot live together.
Also with his views about Sharia and democracy. His point, in context, seems to be simply that Sharia is COMPATIBLE with democracy — that one can be a believing Muslim and embrace democracy, that Islam is not necessarily dictatorial. Many Rabbis, for example, said similar things about Halacha (Jewish religious law).
So what? Believe me, as an Israeli, I know all about Islamic extremism. But this isn’t a case of it.
@Skeptic –
Sharia Law is NOT compatible with democracy. Please give valid points as how they are compatible. Sharia Law does not allow women to be out in public with any unrelated male. They are not allowed to vote. They cannot cry rape unless there are four male witnesses. Sharia Law follows the Quran, which justifies the slaying of a non-believer who does not convert to Islam. Democracy allows for freedom of religion, Sharia Law does not. Criminal justice does not exist in Sharia Law. If you want to leave the Islamic religion the only way out according to Sharia Law, is death. If someone is a true Muslim following Sharia Law and the teachings of Mohammad, they are not even allowed to be friends with Jews and Christians. Why?
“…Islam is not necessarily dictatorial.” Sorry, but either it IS dictatorial or it’s not. There is no in between. If one part is dictatorial, all of it is. Just like a half-truth is no truth at all.
“Many Rabbis, for example, said similar things about Halacha (Jewish religious law)”
What things and by whom?
I completely and whole-heartily disagree with your idea that Democracy and Sharia Law are compatible. If Sharia wins, democracy loses, which means America has been killed by everything it stood against.
The Global Islamic Crusade must come to an end. What is being done in the name of spirituality by those with questionable ties and curious funding sources, from anti-western civilization extremists with a militant Islamic bent is a crying shame. In so many parts of the world, in the name of Islam where people (often Christians and other so called non-believers of the Islamic faith) have not been intimidated or killed in the name of Allah, many millions more hide behind burqa’s, still others procreate with wild abandon. The mission is plainly is to (a) over populate the planet and (b) force the Islamic code of life into all aspects of Western Civilization , place democracy in retreat in an effort to over run Western Society with Shariah Law and help take the modern free world back a few centuries. There is a flawed perception that all religious movements are spiritual in nature, devoid of politics and that leaders of said movements seek only to bring about a more loving, moral and peaceful society with greater interfaith understanding. Were that actually the case, leaders of said movement of organizations like The American Society for Muslim Advancement would not be as consumed with the shear number of their followers as a percentage of the voting public, nor would they seek the erection of political symbols near national monuments and commercial zones and encourage increased procreation on an increasingly over crowded planet that faces shortages of resources, in an effort to flip the dynamic in Western civilization, from Europe to the United States. The mainstream media in America is hoodwinking our citizens that this is a debate about freedom of religion vs. intolerant bigots. How convenient that the debate is framed that way. But it is simply not the truth. The Cordoba Initiative seeks to reach a “tipping point” in Muslim west relations. I have no issues with individual Muslims who wish to observe their faith, however, Western democracies need not accommodate a mentality that went out with the dark ages in terms of accepting Neanderthal dress codes that went out with the dark ages, such as the burqa. Muslims practicing the Islamic faith in America need to recognize and accept the concerns of those of in the West about the ability for TERRORISTS to hide behind the façade of your so called ritual dress. America is not MECCA and when in ROME…do as the Romans do not as the Islamists do. Were their an attack on Mecca and Americans sought to build a Christian Church or Jewish Synagogue on or near said grounds I can only wonder what the reaction would be in the Muslim World. I am not Islamophobic but rather Islamorealist.
The U.S. did support many dictators in the Middle East; some of them have even been personal friend’s with American presidential families and given them gifts worth millions of dollars. The U.S. also supported radical Islamism when it suited them in the past. Few Arab Muslims are just going to completely waffle and “pretend” all that shit didn’t happen. Realpolitik is a lot less cute and academic and forgivable when its you on the killing floor. Yes America did kick up its own shitstorm — that doesn’t mean the terrorist murderers were right in what they did. Abdul Rauf acknowledges this.
Also the author of this article obviously isn’t familiar with any of the literature Islamic-moderate political thinkers produce. They almost all want to show that an “Islamic” state can be democratic, as opposed to subvert a democratic state as this article reads it; they want to reconcile their religion with modern ideas by showing there was never a conflict in the first place … with concepts such as shura, Maslaha, ect. Remember these are still religious people.
Mr. Shoebat
I just read your wikipedia profile….Most impressive should I say? I wonder why people even bother believing you.
Speak the truth always even if you don’t like the truth, for every soul will be held accountable for their deeds, good or bad, on the day of Resurrection. May you be guided. Amen.
Thanks for the titillating polemic guys. Keep it coming. As long as you’re free to represent the extreme right view we’ll know that the free world lives on.
By the way can you please put a real url link to the alleged story from Cairo University. A good polemicist needs to cite genuine references to win over the swing voters. Then again maybe you’re just preaching to the choir.
So it is not troubling when Muslims make ultimatums? When they state that the Koran is the holy book for mankind as received by the prophet Mohammad and that all those who do not believe in it without making some form of concession as humiliation (the jizya) they deserve to perish, you have no problems with it at all? Most Muslims are of the extreme right. In fact they are so far to the right that they make the Western Christian right look like moderates. That is a main point of their contention. Westerners have come to accept concepts such as secularism, freedom of speech and freedom of democracy, while Muslims oppose all elements of free society. There is no free world in Islam, there is only submission.
I am wondering where they are going to get the people to build it. There are a lot of workers who said they will not help build it. If I lived there I would NOT help build that building.
see interview with the Imman future Amir of Cordova City, NY
http://spooftimes.com/NewsDetail.aspx?articleId=6e041284-0694-4fff-b32a-371929f31187
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