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		<title>By: bill-tb</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/blog/green-kids-befuddled-by-nature/#comment-94759</link>
		<dc:creator>bill-tb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Aug 2008 14:40:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ronsonic: 

You nailed it, first out of the chute. This is the only way the global warming hoax is perpetrated, by spreading the ignorance. By defining the problem as &#039;plausible&#039; in most people&#039;s uneducated minds, the enviro-nuts can successfully fool more and more people -- Mostly by scaremongering.

Instead of brainwashing students, the guberment screwl system should try educating them, in science, chemistry and mathematics.

Blackberries are red when green, who knew.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ronsonic: </p>
<p>You nailed it, first out of the chute. This is the only way the global warming hoax is perpetrated, by spreading the ignorance. By defining the problem as &#8216;plausible&#8217; in most people&#8217;s uneducated minds, the enviro-nuts can successfully fool more and more people &#8212; Mostly by scaremongering.</p>
<p>Instead of brainwashing students, the guberment screwl system should try educating them, in science, chemistry and mathematics.</p>
<p>Blackberries are red when green, who knew.</p>
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		<title>By: Bill R</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/blog/green-kids-befuddled-by-nature/#comment-93515</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill R</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Aug 2008 12:12:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Stampedes quickly form regarding environmental issues. Average people are too ready to join a game of tug-of-war, pulling on solutions to problems that really aren&#039;t well defined.

Educational and media ecosystems controlled by careless thinkers infect children with their carelessness. In the end, natural ecosystems become less important than the contrived ones.

Thanks for the post Peter</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stampedes quickly form regarding environmental issues. Average people are too ready to join a game of tug-of-war, pulling on solutions to problems that really aren&#8217;t well defined.</p>
<p>Educational and media ecosystems controlled by careless thinkers infect children with their carelessness. In the end, natural ecosystems become less important than the contrived ones.</p>
<p>Thanks for the post Peter</p>
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		<title>By: John Blake</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/blog/green-kids-befuddled-by-nature/#comment-92697</link>
		<dc:creator>John Blake</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Aug 2008 16:09:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;The greatest poverty is not to live in the natural world.&quot;  As certified metropolitanos now ensconced in deepest suburbia, our family finds a solution ready-to-hand:  The Boy Scouts.  Girls jump around playing outdoor sports, but boys need heavy dosages of outdoor incentives to emerge from Video Game Hell in darkened cellars.

Hiking, Scout camps, sailing trips to Key West, trekking the high country of New Mexico-- affordable, doable on a group basis which families simply cannot accomplish on their own.    Scouting seems a matter of temperament (I never joined), but programs under devoted leaders could not be more positive.  Kids learn leadership, responsibility, awareness of the Great World from an early age... scouting ensures that everyone will find a niche, kids literally are not allowed to fail.  Not phony &quot;self-esteem&quot; but genuine performance inculcates respect for others, confidence in one&#039;s own unique abilities.

Even in urban environments, nothing prevents field trips to shrines like Gettysburg and Valley Forge, hiking the White Mountains, overnighting on the battleships &quot;Massachusetts&quot; in Fall River, &quot;New Jersey&quot; in Philadelphia while visiting Independence Hall.  Missing such activities in formative years, one will never appreciate American history, natural beauty, in  such romantic ways.  For kids fortunate enough to participate, get past &quot;Scout food,&quot; whole new dimensions beckon.

Raising Guitar Heroes in the basement?  Pack &#039;em up to Harriman State Park, tour West Point, visit historic Old Dutch estates up the Hudson River from New York.  Kids won&#039;t know the difference, if you don&#039;t; but parents will sense a deep-seated grounding, quietude, once  offspring find their ways.  Be Prepared!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The greatest poverty is not to live in the natural world.&#8221;  As certified metropolitanos now ensconced in deepest suburbia, our family finds a solution ready-to-hand:  The Boy Scouts.  Girls jump around playing outdoor sports, but boys need heavy dosages of outdoor incentives to emerge from Video Game Hell in darkened cellars.</p>
<p>Hiking, Scout camps, sailing trips to Key West, trekking the high country of New Mexico&#8211; affordable, doable on a group basis which families simply cannot accomplish on their own.    Scouting seems a matter of temperament (I never joined), but programs under devoted leaders could not be more positive.  Kids learn leadership, responsibility, awareness of the Great World from an early age&#8230; scouting ensures that everyone will find a niche, kids literally are not allowed to fail.  Not phony &#8220;self-esteem&#8221; but genuine performance inculcates respect for others, confidence in one&#8217;s own unique abilities.</p>
<p>Even in urban environments, nothing prevents field trips to shrines like Gettysburg and Valley Forge, hiking the White Mountains, overnighting on the battleships &#8220;Massachusetts&#8221; in Fall River, &#8220;New Jersey&#8221; in Philadelphia while visiting Independence Hall.  Missing such activities in formative years, one will never appreciate American history, natural beauty, in  such romantic ways.  For kids fortunate enough to participate, get past &#8220;Scout food,&#8221; whole new dimensions beckon.</p>
<p>Raising Guitar Heroes in the basement?  Pack &#8216;em up to Harriman State Park, tour West Point, visit historic Old Dutch estates up the Hudson River from New York.  Kids won&#8217;t know the difference, if you don&#8217;t; but parents will sense a deep-seated grounding, quietude, once  offspring find their ways.  Be Prepared!</p>
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		<title>By: Jude</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/blog/green-kids-befuddled-by-nature/#comment-92545</link>
		<dc:creator>Jude</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Aug 2008 01:05:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To all our radical environmentalists, always remember that a blackberry is red when it&#039;s green.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To all our radical environmentalists, always remember that a blackberry is red when it&#8217;s green.</p>
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		<title>By: Roderick Reilly</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/blog/green-kids-befuddled-by-nature/#comment-92529</link>
		<dc:creator>Roderick Reilly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Aug 2008 22:32:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Radical environmentalists don&#039;t care as much about actual Nature as they claim (or even think) they do. Nature to them is a means to the end that gets them 1) a cushy lifetime sinecure of some kind, and 2) power over other people&#039;s lives.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Radical environmentalists don&#8217;t care as much about actual Nature as they claim (or even think) they do. Nature to them is a means to the end that gets them 1) a cushy lifetime sinecure of some kind, and 2) power over other people&#8217;s lives.</p>
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		<title>By: Vance</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/blog/green-kids-befuddled-by-nature/#comment-92507</link>
		<dc:creator>Vance</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Aug 2008 21:10:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry, Javelin, Ronsonic is dead right, at least by my experience in CA.  The environuts depend on ignorance to push their agendas.
(Oh, and nice, reasoned response to Ronsonic&#039;s comment, too.  Bravo.)

&quot;The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed--and hence, clamorous to be led to safety--by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary.&quot; 
--H.L. Mencken</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, Javelin, Ronsonic is dead right, at least by my experience in CA.  The environuts depend on ignorance to push their agendas.<br />
(Oh, and nice, reasoned response to Ronsonic&#8217;s comment, too.  Bravo.)</p>
<p>&#8220;The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed&#8211;and hence, clamorous to be led to safety&#8211;by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary.&#8221;<br />
&#8211;H.L. Mencken</p>
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		<title>By: Jeb</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/blog/green-kids-befuddled-by-nature/#comment-92467</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Aug 2008 18:53:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your backyard/garden, city and suburban parks are not the areas that are put off limits.  In the several places I have lived (Southeast, West Coast, and HI) there were some few places that were completely off limits to the general public or with serious restrictions (generally but not always for good reason), but many many more that were open to the general public for camping, hiking, fishing, or just relaxing and many of those with wheelchair access.  Everywhere I have lived in the US has ready access to the nature you describe in your examples (gardens and neighborhood parks) along with more wild places with easy access where one can see a variety of cultivated and wild plants along with somewhat acclimated wild animals.  Of course your daughter and all other children and adults should have access to natural or naturalized environments to enjoy.  In the US all but the poorest urban dwellers have a plethora of choices for this and even they still have options if they are somewhat more limited.  Western Europe with its orders of magnitude higher population density has much more difficulty with this but even the Netherlands (the most densely populated EU nation) has plenty of easily accessible naturalized areas for all to enjoy.

The reason the vast majority of children don&#039;t have more exposure to nature is because parents do not make the effort to expose them to nature early for whatever reason.  It appears that those reasons are generally that the parents are tired and would rather do something else (shop, watch tv, or browse the internet), not that it is particularly difficult.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your backyard/garden, city and suburban parks are not the areas that are put off limits.  In the several places I have lived (Southeast, West Coast, and HI) there were some few places that were completely off limits to the general public or with serious restrictions (generally but not always for good reason), but many many more that were open to the general public for camping, hiking, fishing, or just relaxing and many of those with wheelchair access.  Everywhere I have lived in the US has ready access to the nature you describe in your examples (gardens and neighborhood parks) along with more wild places with easy access where one can see a variety of cultivated and wild plants along with somewhat acclimated wild animals.  Of course your daughter and all other children and adults should have access to natural or naturalized environments to enjoy.  In the US all but the poorest urban dwellers have a plethora of choices for this and even they still have options if they are somewhat more limited.  Western Europe with its orders of magnitude higher population density has much more difficulty with this but even the Netherlands (the most densely populated EU nation) has plenty of easily accessible naturalized areas for all to enjoy.</p>
<p>The reason the vast majority of children don&#8217;t have more exposure to nature is because parents do not make the effort to expose them to nature early for whatever reason.  It appears that those reasons are generally that the parents are tired and would rather do something else (shop, watch tv, or browse the internet), not that it is particularly difficult.</p>
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		<title>By: HeatherRadish</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/blog/green-kids-befuddled-by-nature/#comment-92409</link>
		<dc:creator>HeatherRadish</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Aug 2008 16:02:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Who CARES the difference between a black speckled blue jay and a bluebell?&lt;/i&gt;

If someone can&#039;t tell the difference between a bird and a flower, why on Earth should anyone trust their judgement?  Especially when they&#039;re lecturing us on how the whole world will be &quot;destroyed&quot; if we don&#039;t yield to their totalitarian desires?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Who CARES the difference between a black speckled blue jay and a bluebell?</i></p>
<p>If someone can&#8217;t tell the difference between a bird and a flower, why on Earth should anyone trust their judgement?  Especially when they&#8217;re lecturing us on how the whole world will be &#8220;destroyed&#8221; if we don&#8217;t yield to their totalitarian desires?</p>
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		<title>By: Javelin</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/blog/green-kids-befuddled-by-nature/#comment-92257</link>
		<dc:creator>Javelin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Aug 2008 03:19:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ronsonic,
your generalization is so stupid and pathetic that the only nuts you know about are your pathetic duo.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ronsonic,<br />
your generalization is so stupid and pathetic that the only nuts you know about are your pathetic duo.</p>
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		<title>By: Jake von MN</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/blog/green-kids-befuddled-by-nature/#comment-92235</link>
		<dc:creator>Jake von MN</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Aug 2008 01:11:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>EDIT: I grew up in the country, i know and have experienced nature my whole life, so don&#039;t think I advocate &quot;burning it down&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>EDIT: I grew up in the country, i know and have experienced nature my whole life, so don&#8217;t think I advocate &#8220;burning it down&#8221;</p>
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