Greece: Crumbling Further, Faster
Is There a Message Here for Americans?
One might fairly ask: does this have anything to do with us? Greece is a small country, and far away. Perhaps its crises deserve no more than the relatively thin coverage they receive in our media.
Still, by this point we should all be sitting up and paying attention. For, like it or not, what’s happening in Greece is an unhappy harbinger of things to come in our country, if we continue to follow the same irresponsible path charted by our friends in Athens.
From its entry into the eurozone, Greece has lived beyond its means. The European Union contributed to the problem, ignoring in the case of Greece its own prohibition on lending to countries with debt-to-GDP ratios higher than 60%. Greece’s ratio is now the highest in Europe, having steadily escalated to more than 160%.
Current austerity measures aim at bringing the Greek government debt-to-GDP ratio down to 120% by 2020. But with the country’s GDP falling at an accelerating pace — down at a 5% annual pace, as I noted in December; and now, only two months later, falling at a 7% annual rate — that will be tougher and tougher to achieve.
Here in the United States, under the current administration, our own ratio has roared upwards from 70% in 2008 to about 110% currently. (For some handy charts on this sad subject, see http://www.usgovernmentdebt.us/.) Against a GDP of just over $15 trillion, adding debt at President Obama’s rate of about $1.3 trillion annually will have us past 120% (assuming a stable GDP) in another year or so. Catch Greece? Yes we can!
Moreover, although its unsustainable spending problem was no secret, until recently Greece did not eliminate a single government job. Government employee positions, pay, and pensions all were protected, even as the country’s private sector was bleeding jobs in a big way.
In the U.S. we’ve been on a parallel path. President Obama has created hundreds of thousands of federal government jobs, while his private sector “job creation” efforts have essentially transferred billions of tax dollars to campaign donors (green energy companies) and unions (GM, Chrysler). At the same time, his policies have killed massive numbers of private sector jobs in energy production and assorted smokestack industries, in “red states” in particular.
In sum, there are ominous parallels between the U.S. and Greece. When politicians engage in the politics of envy and class warfare, seeking to divide the electorate and promote dependency, unrealistic expectations are created about the sustainability of excessive spending. We’ve now seen, courtesy of this month’s rampages in Greece, how things can get very ugly when even the most unreasonable expectations are dashed. Just because more than 50% of the people are “takers,” and vote that way, does not mean the unsustainable can continue indefinitely.
Here at home, we have electoral candidates and media organizations who for political ends are encouraging the same mentality that has led to chaos in Greece. If this goes on, it is not likely to end well.
One Distinction That May Not Make a Difference
I’ll note one major distinction between Greece and the U.S., and explain briefly why it provides us no solace.
In Greece, the culture of corruption is far worse than it is here (although, ours is ramping up smartly in this administration); one manifestation of this culture is extremely poor tax compliance. The Greeks can raise taxes in an attempt to increase revenue, but they have a very poor record of actually collecting taxes from businesses and individuals alike, at all income levels.
Higher tax rates do not result in higher revenue in Greece. Rather, tax increases simply drive businesses and jobs further into the well established “cash” economy, where jobs and incomes are neither reported nor taxed.
By contrast, in the United States we have a very effective tax collection apparatus, and a strong tax compliance culture. Here, the people who make the most money already pay far and away the most taxes. Higher tax rates do not simply encourage even more adroit tax evasion. But neither do they necessarily result in higher revenues, as numerous studies have shown.
In the U.S., as tax rates go up, those in a position to choose often opt for lower incomes (call it the John Galt effect, or what you will). For most producers, migration to a robust cash economy is not a real option here. Thus, when taxed more, the most productive may produce less. Here, this can not only reduce their own tax obligations, but also lead them to eliminate jobs in their businesses — so that the taxes paid by workers are also lost, along with the workers’ jobs.
So, the view that our superior tax compliance culture will somehow enable us to continue the party that has come crashing down around the Greeks is, in my view, seriously flawed.
Therefore we should follow events in Greece carefully, and pay close attention to our own president and our tax and spend politicians. Thus far, it does not appear that our “leaders” are learning the lessons of Athens. Perhaps the lesson for us is that we need new leaders.
Update: “Greece: More in the same vein“






Yes, the policemen are unionized employees and as such, enjoy the cushy pay and perks of the job. But there may be another reason why the riots were not quelled. That is, the poliicans want the riots to proceed. And after the place is so trashed and the populace to intimidated, they will accept a complete master to make it stop. Welcome to the New World Order, commrad.
Not sure how the Greeks feel about Athens, but if protestors were burning down D.C., I would be cheering them on even if I don’t agree with their cause.
The police could risk life and limb to break up the mob but they would gain nothing from the exercise. Widespread looting equates to calls for “more police” which puts them up one or two notches on the funding ladder. You might argue that the looting will cause a reduction in tourism, which will force a reduction in all budgets, but reality hasn’t been a factor in their budgeting process for decades. Curtailing the mob was “all risk, no reward” while standing idle was “no risk, possible reward”, so from their perspective they made the right call. Remember, their duty is to their Union, it is NOT to the taxpayer, the tourist, the shopkeeper, or the average citizen.
But, you’re wrong about this “In Greece, the culture of corruption is far worse than it is here”. You’d be more correct to say “In Greece, the culture of corruption is more transparent than it is here”. Our politicians are just as corrupt, they’re just better able to hide it because (a) the country is so big, (b) the economy is so large, and (c) the press depends on the corrupt politicians for their daily feeding of leaks, lies and innuendo. What we’re seeing with the current administration isn’t more corruption, it’s incompetence in hiding it or, perhaps, the arrogance that they’re too big to fail. Maybe Obama’s slogan will be “We’re the Honest Crooks” or a rerun of “Vote for the Crook, It’s Important”.
My recommendation is to do whatever you must to protect yourself from this administration and its “clients”, aka the takers. Stock up on food and water, buy some gold and/or silver coins, get out of debt to the best of your ability, buy weapons and ammunition, disengage as best you can from any entity directly or indirectly controlled by this administration. In short, protect yourself and your family.
One of the biggest lessons from Greece may be the growth of our own “cash” economy. If taxes become really bad here too, people will do what they always do, and that is be creative on how to avoid taxes. More jobs will be paid for in cash, especially the wages of workers. Part-time help will definitely be paid in cash, especially if they have to avoid paying insurance premiums under Obamacare. Many small businesses will just pay their workers in cash to avoid the crushing taxes that are making it harder and harder for them to survive. So, our taxes will have just the opposite effect. It will drive down revenues rather than increase them. If people are given a choice between survival and paying taxes, trust me, they’re going to pick survival.
European creditors demanded that Greek political leaders sign pledges that the austerity measures will actually be implemented, whatever the result of the general election coming in April.
Straight from Bizarro, and quite appalling. How can incumbent politicians bind their successors — even in a kangaroo legislature headed by a Brussels puppet? The Greeks won’t buy it, neither would we or anyone else who pays more than lip-service to democracy.
Odd omission in the article: no mention of the package vacations now being cancelled by German tour operators. Anti-German sentiment in Greece is at combustible levels, perhaps because Greek schools still teach history. No surprise that Merkel has gone all coy about Greece being kicked out of the e-zone.
It is also no overstatement to say that Greek hatred for Germany is matched only by German contempt for Greeks. From this comes a solution? No way.
“It is also no overstatement to say that Greek hatred for Germany is matched only by German contempt for Greeks. From this comes a solution? No way”
Your analysis of German/Greek love-fest is spot-on, and sounds a bit like the US/Mexico relationship…but they dont share a common boarder as we do, so I’d say we are in worse shape as to finding a solution.
Criminal parasites (at all levels) really have a way of wrecking things dont they?
Big government grows and the economy sags as more and more of society’s entrepreneurial drive and the high efficiency of the free market are replaced with complacency, low productivity standards and militant feelings of worker entitlement. We can only divide up what we collectively produce . . and we produce much less of what we want and need as the government gets larger.
But releasing government workers or slowing government spending is held out to be counter-productive economically and so everything keeps ratcheting up until you have Greece.
A commitment to a free society with limited government functions is the only thing that prevents this inexorable march toward either socialism or ruin or both. We used to get it right here in the USA until it was discovered by certain politicians how easy it is to dupe the adolescent and spoiled people who make up the Progressive movement into granting them the power to tinker with the machinery and foul everything up. I don’t see how it can change until it implodes of its own weight.
For someone to compare Greece with the USA, one must be lacking any sense of proportion. Greek income is less than 2 percent of the Eurozone. What the Greek episode has shown is infact how terribly wrong was the design of Euro. If a default by such minor member can throw the whole of EU, which constitutes almost a third of the world GDP, then that monetary system can hardly survive. So, the trouble with Euro is just starting. Eurozone countries are diverse in terms of their level of development. Greece is the least developed both economically and politically. It is foolish for Greece and Germany to be in the same monetary union. Every other market in those countries are centuries apart. In the production of goods and services, Germany is a leading economy; Greece imports everything and has a mediocre tourism sector. German labor market is more flexible than Greek. Unions in Greece are more like a mafiosi organizations than labor unions. They are organically tied to the PASOK, son politically it is impossible to undertake any reform of the Greek labor market.
In Germany labor unions are also widespread and have organic links to SPD, Germany uses corporatist political model whereby political coalitions seek consensus between labor and business. Politically speaking, democracy is undestood as seeking common ground in Germany where in Greece the winner takes all. In short, given such divergences in markets, institutions and culture, Greece and Germany do not belong in the same union.Sooner or later, Greece will default on her debt and leave the Eurozone.
Ha! You describe the fascist state – where ‘common ground’ is found between big labor, big government and big corporations all rounded by big central banks who print and print. Hardly democracy. You are drinking their Kool-Aid. Your thinking is emblematic of your fellow countrymen of the worldwide idiocracy.
Let’s think of Germany as the the ‘bigs’ and Greece as the free marketeers (forgetting for a moment the entitlement madness engendered by the ‘bigs’) and you have a clear picture of our situation: the small businesses create an underground economy as the big one collapses from its inherent fraud and its indebtedness (and it is collapsing, albeit in slow motion, though now speeding up). The ‘smalls’ will leave the bigs (reject the Euro) to protect what they have. Greece will re-invent true democratic capitalism with its drachma – it has no choice. But what is going on in prosperous Europe and the US has nothing, repeat, nothing to do with democratic economies.
No, we are about to enter a new phase – where the ‘bigs’ in Europe begin to devalue their currency in order to monetize their debt versus the ‘bigs’ here and everywhere with a printing press who must print and print also and where this death spiral goes…well, go take a look at the gas pump, the food store…all those places the bigs have taken off the inflationary radar – the spiral down begins and nothing the Donkeys or the Elephants do can ever put Humpty Dumpty together again.
Welcome to the beginnings of war.
To put all on $$MONEY$$ !!- The people and what they are doing is the real problem. That starts at the top and goes all the way. Everyone is responsible for what they do. Excuses last for just so long – either you take control of yourself -or- wait on everyone else. In the meantime – the damage will last forever – they call that “History”.
Note well what Marxism produces. It developes citizens incapable of anything more than reliance on government largess. They can’t produce anything except anger and destruction. These are people who have been subjected to state sponsored intellectual atrophy. They are completely dependent on a state that can’t help them. Their ability to understand production and initiative has been removed from them like testicles from a dog. How predictable it all is.
It is happening here in America now, we just aren’t quite as far along.
There is nothing good that comes from the defective reasoning of Marx and Engles, nothing. Thank you so much all you liberal statists. Look well upon your destructive result.
I hope your proud of yourselves. History will treat you with considerable disdain.
That should be you’re, not your at 8 above.
The culture of tax avoidance in southern Europe dates back to the Romans. Before Roman expansionism, people paid taxes to their city-state. Then, taxes were forcibly extracted and paid to Rome. Since then, the long-standing ‘us vs them’ attitude continues to this day. Some of this has to do with the system of tax-farming, but that’s another story. The attitude persists wherever the Romans held sway.
US is the single largest economy in the world. US has world class universities that are world leaders in science and technology. US also has abundant natural resources and pristine environment. Further, she has friendly neighbors who do not covet her riches. American democracy is vibrant giving flexibility and dynamism to its political institutions. US income is expected to GROW around three percent this year and the long term outlook for it is positive, once it gets over the housing market disstres. I am afraid none of this could be said of Europe. To comparen the US to the weakest European economy is foolish.
Corruption plays a bigger role in Greece? Could be. From where I sit, and I don’t think I am angry, and I am definitely apolitical, government in N. America is totally corrupt. There is a pretense of honesty and caring and being for the people but past a certain point all is corruption. Problem is some of the corrupt do not even know they are corrupt. Anybody remember Bill Clinton and his cigar and his denials and explanations? Anybody remember the voters who went along with Bill and put any words against Bill on a political level? It was rampant then and over the top now.
This is what 30 years of welfare spending to back up demagoguic promises produces:Detroit on the Aegean!
Pay attention to the canaries in the coal mine. We may have thicker cushions against the ultimate collision with realities, but we cannot forever escape the rotten fruits of the gradual erosion of our own standards.
This story should be saved and duplicated since there are many other countries that have yet to fall to this poor state of affairs. Reprint it with the names changed to protect the guilty and it will be a template for many other dominoes ! Welcome the nwo and if you want this progression stopped ; meet us in Dallas on 7/28/12 Be alert n be prepared to learn our battle plans !
Appears the same thing is happening in US; in Madison Wisconsin violent mobs of unionized teachers occupied and vandalized the state capitol and the police stood around and let them. American police forces are unionized too and we cannot expect them to do anything when the American mobs rampage through the cities. Best bet for those who wish to survive is to get out of the cities; they are already the most violent places in the country and are ruled by corrupt politicos who worship at the altar of the god president Obama.
Greece should consider the following proposition: Allow US to keep Greek debt from collapsing, and Greece enters the US Commonwealth as a Grade II or Grade IV Territory.
The Greeks have had a long love affair with communism. I suspect that they will be the ones to rise from the ashes and assume control.