GOP Establishment and the Tea Party: Ships Passing in the Night
Reading the responses to the president’s State of the Union speech by Senator Marco Rubio and Senator Rand Paul, one might be fooled into thinking that the regular Republican Party — represented by Rubio — and the Tea Party — represented by Paul — were in agreement on 90% of the issues facing the country.
On the surface, there is much truth to that idea. But the differences between establishment Republicans and conservative activists go far beyond where each side stands on the issues of the day. The cleavage starts with differences in temperament, and extends to matters of the heart: passion, commitment, and feelings of resentment and betrayal that currently make a marriage between the two wings of the Republican Party impossible to achieve.
There are also differences in vision. Rubio’s pragmatic view of Washington is in conflict with Paul’s more combative outlook on the role of government in society. And on the specific issue of the sequester, Rubio takes the mainstream Republican position that other cuts can be substituted — especially for defense spending — while Paul is of a mind to allow the $1.2 trillion in cuts to stand, even if it means degrading our military capabilities.
Instead of convergence, you have divergence. Instead of unity, you have the real possibility of an all-out civil war that has the potential to blow up Republican chances to maintain control of the House and take control of the Senate in 2014. Beyond that, unless some way can be found to heal the rift, a serious effort to run a third-party candidate for president in 2016 is on the horizon — especially if another “moderate” candidate is chosen by establishment Republicans.
But Tuesday’s responses to the State of the Union by the two men offers some hope that common ground can be found if there is a willingness demonstrated by both sides to subsume the personal and concentrate on the political.
Placing those responses side by side, it is remarkable how they complement each other. Both offer a solid defense of the free market and how economic prosperity, and not government, can help the middle class:
PAUL: What America needs is not Robin Hood but Adam Smith. In the year we won our independence, Adam Smith described what creates the Wealth of Nations.
He described a limited government that largely did not interfere with individuals and their pursuit of happiness.
All that we are, all that we wish to be is now threatened by the notion that you can have something for nothing, that you can have your cake and eat it too, that you can spend a trillion dollars every year that you don’t have.
RUBIO: This opportunity – to make it to the middle class or beyond no matter where you start out in life – it isn’t bestowed on us from Washington. It comes from a vibrant free economy where people can risk their own money to open a business. And when they succeed, they hire more people, who in turn invest or spend the money they make, helping others start a business and create jobs.
Presidents in both parties – from John F. Kennedy to Ronald Reagan – have known that our free enterprise economy is the source of our middle class prosperity.
But President Obama? He believes it’s the cause of our problems. That the economic downturn happened because our government didn’t tax enough, spend enough and control enough. And, therefore, as you heard tonight, his solution to virtually every problem we face is for Washington to tax more, borrow more and spend more.
Both men have similar notions of how to reform education:
PAUL: A great education needs to be available for everyone, whether you live on country club lane or in government housing.
This will only happen when we allow school choice for everyone, rich or poor, white, brown, or black.
Let the taxes you pay for education follow each and every student to the school of your choice.
RUBIO: Helping the middle class grow will also require an education system that gives people the skills today’s jobs entail and the knowledge that tomorrow’s world will require.
We need to incentivize local school districts to offer more advanced placement courses and more vocational and career training.
We need to give all parents, especially the parents of children with special needs, the opportunity to send their children to the school of their choice.
Surprisingly, both claim to embrace immigrants and at least give lip service to some kind of a path to citizenship:
PAUL: We must be the party who sees immigrants as assets, not liabilities.
We must be the party that says, “If you want to work, if you want to become an American, we welcome you.”
RUBIO: We can also help our economy grow if we have a legal immigration system that allows us to attract and assimilate the world’s best and brightest. We need a responsible, permanent solution to the problem of those who are here illegally. But first, we must follow through on the broken promises of the past to secure our borders and enforce our laws.
Is there enough commonality between the two sides to suggest a meeting of the minds to heal the breach — at least enough that threats to “primary” incumbents and attempts to prevent Tea Party candidates from winning would subside and a tolerance for each other’s views would replace acrimony and distrust?
If the two sides could get their act together and come up with a coherent message, recent polls suggest the American people are willing to listen. A recent Pew Poll showed that a whopping 73% of the American people believe that “Washington does the right thing” only some of the time or never. And Gallup found a broad distrust of government in December, with 64% saying they fear big government more than they do big business or big labor.
However, any kind of reconciliation is probably not going to happen. As a matter of temperament, there is a vast difference between the two sides. The Tea Party does not trust the establishment Republicans, believing they don’t “fight” the Democrats hard enough. In essence, the Tea Party thinks that establishment Republicans do not stand fast on “principle” and thus allow the Democrats to run roughshod over the party. The establishment, on the other hand, sees the Tea Party as too rigid, too uncompromising, too politically naive to govern.
But it’s actually more basic than that. What makes the establishment and Tea Party ships passing in the night is a different vision of the role of government in society.
PAUL: Ronald Reagan said, government is not the answer to the problem, government is the problem.
Tonight, the President told the nation he disagrees. President Obama believes government is the solution: More government, more taxes, more debt.
RUBIO:: Now does this mean there’s no role for government? Of course not. It plays a crucial part in keeping us safe, enforcing rules, and providing some security against the risks of modern life. But government’s role is wisely limited by the Constitution. And it can’t play its essential role when it ignores those limits.
It is inaccurate to say the Tea Party is “anti-government,” although there is certainly a faction within the Tea Party that is. The establishment sees the Tea Party as wanting to put government in a strait jacket, limited in what it can do based on a severely restrictive view of the Constitution. The Tea Party believes the establishment, in embracing the basic idea of the welfare state, is little better than the Democratic Party — indeed, their favorite pejorative is to refer to pragmatists as “Democrat-lites” — and that a sharper and more pronounced distinction between the two parties is a key to victory at the polls. This includes the radical notion that Lyndon Johnson’s Great Society, as well as Franklin Roosevelt’s New Deal, should be rolled back — even eliminated.
Those ships passing in the night are exchanging broadsides over the question of what the term “limited government” means in a modern 21st century, industrial democracy. Despite agreement on a wide range of issues, there will be no reconciliation as long as neither side is willing to alter their fundamental beliefs when it comes to Constitutional limits on government. Both sides believe in limits on government power. But the pragmatists recognize the reality that those limits should be broad enough to encompass those things a modern state must do; “keeping us safe, enforcing rules, and providing some security against the risks of modern life,” as Rubio put it. The other side sees a far more limited role for government and, to varying degrees, rejects the idea that government programs for the poor and government regulation of business are even constitutional.
It hardly matters who is “right.” What’s important is that the competing visions of government’s role is keeping the two sides apart. And that is not likely to change anytime soon.






Republicans think that Democrats are simply poor accountants.
Without any conviction about culture or tradition,
Republicans can only promise to run our leftist society more efficiently.
Above is my nomination for post of the year. By far the most succinct description of what the GOP has become thanks to it’s domination by the Rockefeller sect.
Bravo!
Rod Blagojevich: How could I be guilty of selling, if Jesse Jackson Jr. was not guilty of buying?
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Consider your nomination for PJM post of the year seconded.
You mean like all the kinder and gentler Bush presidents?
Rick Moran, I think you got it here. One note, the tea parties are not anti-government…they are for minimal government. Being for only 10% of something is not anti- that thing.
Of course it matters who is right! If there’s no search for the right thing to do, then no one is right and no one is wrong. Perhaps a real policy difference exists and instead of trying power plays, try finding out what actually works and what doesn’t. A far different question than trying to bridge two diametrically opposite stances.
Well, there’s hope. Decent Americans everywhere now know it takes a while for the message to get through to Washington. In the case of the GOP, we’re dealing with both ends of the dinosaur — the corrupt head end where the brain’s supposed to be, and the other end with its nasty deposits of stinking religiosity and steaming piety.
The good news: the beast is unstable and will fall hard and fast. Who needs it? Who indeed; change is inevitable. Meanwhile, the best of the local tea parties could give a flying **** about the MSM and the usual wide and heavy loads and wannabees, surely progress we can all enjoy.
Your job is to make sure the good guys win. For those slumped on the couch with a bag of popcorn, that’s a stretch. Don’t expect a free ride.
Decent Americans everywhere now know it takes a while for the message to get through to Washington.
It’s happening sooner than you think. Re Obamacare: key Democrats are turning on it, finally admitting that public opinion has always been negative toward it, is getting more so, and fearing for their own re-elections. So Senators Max Baucus, Ron Wyden, Bill Nelson and Maria Cantwell – all of whom eagerly helped ram the poisoned legislation through a reluctant Congress – beat up on (Obamacare’s) Gary Cohen yesterday in a blame-festival hearing. Couldn’t happen to nicer people.
http://blogs.the-american-interest.com/wrm/2013/02/15/key-democrats-turn-on-obamacare/
I’ll believe it only after the Dems pass bills repealing ObamaCare and not one second before. Show me a vote that makes a difference.
@some of my best friends
“steaming religiousity and stinking piety” As long as religious bigotry remains a basic part of some so-called libertarians’ approach- my liberty, but not yours- there will be little reconciling.
I really am amazed that anyone could consider himself for liberty, while harboring the hatred that is so much a part of many athiests’ approach to other
people’s beliefs. If you don’t believe, fine, but keep your arrogance and vile comments to yourself.
Also, don’t expect to find much of a welcome from either the Tea Party or the GOP establishment, or anywhere else except with other toads like yourself. Anti-religious bigotry has never been real popular in this country.
Amen.
Althoguh bigotry against particular religions does unfortunately have a long histroy in this country – in fact Lincoln’s Republican party, almost against its will, was an anti-Catholic party – but it is against what this country stands for, at least as far a George Washington was concerned.
I think the handwriting was on the wall when Boehner removed four conservative Congressmen (including mine) from their committee assignments. Establishment Republicans treat conservatives no differently than the way establishment Democrats treat blacks.
It’s time to rip off the bandaid and form a true conservative party separate from the GOP.
You betcha!
For what it’s worth, I disagree. It is time to take away the GOP banner away from those RINOS. My suggestion would be to aggressively primary each and every Rino placeholder and keep doing it. It would take too long to recruit, staff and fund a replacement (third) party. And if we were to accept financial “help” from some other interest, then it would become their party. I think that EVERY congressional and senatorial seat should be contested starting in the primaries. No more of these anointed a-holes that Rove and others think can win. Those people have their own agenda. It is not school choice. It is not reducing the number of children aborted. It is not securing our healthcare system nor is it “saving” social security.
Their agenda is power and influence. That’s all. Oh, and personal enrichment. The public’s needs be damned. Politics is a dirty business, it’s true. But we’ve had thirty years of conniving, hustling and personal enrichment from BOTH sides. The “Republicans” have had their own Reids and Pelosis.
I want someone representing me that feels the same way about lobbyists as I do. I want somebody that understands that taxes and exemptions shouldn’t be used to reward political contributions (ala Google today). I don’t want feigned honesty and propriety. I want my uncle (the accountant) checking the books. I want the lady across the street who’s a nurse practitioner on the healthcare committees. I want a man (or woman) who has served this country honorably to lead the armed forces committees. I am tired of the bullsh!t.
So no, I DO NOT want to start a third part. I want to run those sonsofbitches out of OUR party. The go-alongs to
get-alongs that have agreed to get us into this mess. Period.
I agree, the establishment has jumped on the bandwagon of the left calling the Tea Party and supporters “too rigid, too uncompromising,too politically naive to govern” I resent that since my votes over the last 42 years has put them in office. They aren’t in the position of power because thay won a beauty contest, I do my homework and vote them in based on their promises to govern with conservative principles and based on the constituion. It’s disgusting when they lay down or compromise with the left, the leftists are proven welchers and yet the GOP never learns.
I don’t want this amnesty, yet it seems all sides are telling us it’s inevitable, it’s them who are naive because we who pay the bills know this will cost not only trillions but it will be never ending bloat on our economy. I have heard very little from our representives about Americans who are unemployed, all I hear is how we need illegals for labor, or how we can’t break up their families, what about our labor and our families? Our GOP is deaf, dumb, and blind when it comes to listening to their base, they’re too busy lusting after democrat votes from illegals.
But if we get a Conservative third party (New York actually has had one for a long time) and probably a Libertarian party with a clue (as opposed to the embarrassment that currently exists), the socialists will take over completely.
I wonder if anyone has guaged the effect of Libertarians staying home in the last election?
Moran must be having one of his better weeks. He’s not trying to spurn the Tea Party and tacitly defining the Tea Party as unhinged by suggestion.
Problem is, these “practical Republicans”, and I have to admit that Rubio was my choice for Presidential candidate and is already beginning to disappoint me, quickly seem to become less practical once seated. No longer is the deficit something we can’t live with but just need to slow the deficit; no longer is the public school system a cesspool of leftist indoctrination; no longer is it illegal immigrant but undocumented worker; no longer is Iran quite the imminent threat; no longer can the established media not be trusted to tell the truth.
Get Rubio on Face the Nation and the people will listen. Yes, these ‘practical’ Republicans continue to play the same game with the same rules under the illusion their own profundity in speech will turn the tide of national perception.
For the practical Republican it is not the system failed, or the ideas bad, or the media corrupted and dishonest, but the way the government is facilitated, the ideas implemented, the debate framed…
Phooey. The establishment for the Republican Party is more deluded than ever.
I don’t care what the stock market says – this nation is going to collapse from the weight of its own debt and its own excess. And pray the Barack Obama is the President when it does. If Barack Obama is allowed without restraint to continue to grow our bloated government and welfare for four years and things just keep limping along while more of us stick our fingers in the crumbling dike, then the only hope of laying the imminent collapse where it really belongs is for the sitting President to be Democrat.
FDR was ever bit as failed and maybe more so than Herbert Hoover, his unearned savior reputation built on the fact that the rest of the industrialized world lay wasted and we were last man standing while Europe and Japan were forced to rebuild over 30 years.
Let us hope it doesn’t take a third world war to save America this time, for the chances quite good we will be the ones that lay in waste. And we will find our adversaries not so merciful as our grandparents were.
Tex, we can pray all we like that Obama is president when the collapse comes ( and it will no matter what ) but when it does, he and his syncophants in the MSN will cry in despair that what “he inherited from his predecessor was just too much for any president to overcome.” Only the judgement of history will deliver the final verdict……100 years from now.
You’re probably right, Curt. To assume the average citizen could connect the dots most likely a pipe dream. After this last election, I came to the conclusion that the majority beyond hope, beyond help, perhaps unteachable, and frankly so ignorant and shallow or so apathetic and detached to be equally as useless.
Meet the new boss. Same as the old boss.
One of the things that infuriated me about this last election was when Clinton made the statement at the Democrat’s Convention, “Nobody, including me, could have have inherited this mess and fixed it in four years…” {paraphrased}
To the best of my knowledge, from Mitt Romney to Karl Rove to FOX News, no national Republican broker pointed out that just 32 years ago, Ronald Reagan & Co. inherited an equal mess and did indeed ‘fix it’ in four years.
When your leaders are not even capable of pointing out the obvious or defending themselves, when recent history that easily forgotten, the conclusion is already written. Now we just wait for the inevitable.
Tex, let me take a slightly different view on a number of things:
a)Moran: I didn’t read this as Moran MERELY making a contrast, but rather, got the impression of someone biting their tongue until it bled to not completely take a squat on the Tea Party. He mis-defines them, ascribes wholly wrong motives to them and calls the other side “pragmatic”.
BOTH the establishment Republican faction AND the Tea Party have severe weaknesses in my opinion…as functioning arms of what should be the anti-leftist, anti-tyranny, anti-small c communist movement in this country.
The Tea Party movement was one of the few times in my 59 years on this planet that I have seen any non-leftist get up and march in resistance. It grew as a RESISTANCE movement. Therefore, it …by definition…will put RESISTANCE front and center. Moran has always had an antipathy for it and strong conservatism.
Let’s be frank here. I don’t like Moran. So, I’m not an unbiased witness. He does NOT represent my notorious independent streak, nor my natural inclination to be more centrist on some issues. His inclination to attack the right and then pat himself on the back for being “one of the good anti-leftists” reminds me too much of the leftists definition of being a “good Jew”.
This is not to say I never diverge from my friends on the far right. I do. It is also not to say that I don’t cringe every time somebody drools out the term “RINO” to describe someone who is tolerant on social issues, such as I am.
I made it plain for MONTHS that I thought Ryan/Rubio was our best chance and that the entire slate running was “B” team quality. In the case of Ron Paul, “Z” team quality.
But, the REAL difference between the Tea Party and standard Republican pols, is RESISTANCE fervor, “Republican entitlement” and messaging.
Pipsqueaks like Moran think that anyone who has fervor in RESISTANCE to leftist tyranny is a madman. Coming from someone who writes with arrogance and bad attitude at the drop of a hat, it’s more than a little ironic that he dislikes fervor in others. Nibbling around the edges of a $17 trillion dollar runaway debt is “pragmatism” to a fool who can’t see the danger in it.
“Republican entitlement” is as foolish and destructive as every other entitlement in this country. You “earn” your right to be the nominee by standing in line and waiting. This produces bad candidates. I’m sorry, but I thought McCain/Palin was an awful ticket. And Romney was a “B” team candidate.
Finally, messaging is a massive problem for the Republican Party, too often almost willing to be the Washington Generals, silly, stupid, inane foils for the small c communists and their tyranny.
The Tea Party wants the information stream back. It has been kidnapped and gang raped. They want someone to tell the truth. Loudly.
Rand Paul isn’t my answer. I have others I like much better. We need someone willing to do what needs to be done. Lead. And, the patriots in this country will galvanize around them.
Ryan, Rubio, Thune, Noem, Cantor, Jindal, Haley, Martinez…we have a roster that can pull this off. We just need to get the “A” team on the field.
And, to not fall for slop posing as “concern” from those who want to wear a badge that says “I pick on both sides equally, ain’t I grand”.
“The Tea Party movement was one of the few times in my 59 years on this planet that I have seen any non-leftist get up and march in resistance. It grew as a RESISTANCE movement. Therefore, it …by definition…will put RESISTANCE front and center…..”.
Unfortunately, I believe the Tea Party (to whom I have donated) will never gain sufficient traction to ever become a significant factor in American politics because as you state…..
“The Tea Party wants the information stream back. It has been kidnapped and gang raped. They want (need) someone to tell the truth. Loudly.”
CF, even though what you have stated is an absolute truth, it ain’t gonna happen. At a minimum, 80% of the folks don’t know what the hell is going on and they are only getting the level of information they want, can comprehend, and demand. If they aren’t willfully ignorant liberals then they are just simply ignorant. The Tea Party may as well be the Klan in the minds of most and the MSM will make that impression stick. When you’re fat, dumb, and happy who needs an irritant like the Tea Party? And when you quit being happy, but remain fat and dumb, will you turn to the Tea Party for salvation? No, not even a remote possibility. You will more likely blame the Tea Party and what it represents. And then we’ll see who is the most adept at demonstrations in the streets. I’m not betting on the Tea Party…not by a long shot.
If history is written correctly it will identify Brian Williams and what he represents as that which did more to destroy traditional America ahead of both the NEA and Barack Obama.
What can be done? Walter Williams once advocated for 20,000 small government free-market types to move to New Hampshire and take over the State government so as to become a laboratory for sane governance and to stand in defiance of the federal government on constitutional grounds. I see this, or a reasonable variation of it, as possibly our best move. I hope to live a long life. But I fully expect to go to my grave, even if given that blessing, with no resolution to the travesty that we hung around America’s neck in 2008.
slop posing as “concern”
…hmm, rarely concern. Try revulsion and a desire to blow things up. The fuses get shorter every day, and it’s got precious little to do with posing. This will not end well.
@yooper
I think you may have hit it. The Tea Party is/was about resistance. The problem is that resistance rarely accomplishes much. It may stop something, but it builds nothing, and we are at the point where mere resistance is insufficient.
That has been the GOP problem since the 40′s- with the exception of the Reagan years, they resisted, slowed, but did not stop and cetainly did not reverse creeping socialism.
Now it is too late to merely stop socialism, it must be reversed, and the damage repaired, or we will catch up with Europe in its swamp before too many years. And when we catch up, there will be no one to bail us out, only tyranical vultures eager to pick the bones of “mankind’s last, best hope”.
“And, to not fall for slop posing as “concern” from those who want to wear a badge that says “I pick on both sides equally, ain’t I grand”.”
I think you’ve fallen into your own constructed self serving trap! NONE of the three factions of the GOP have either faction, nor party messaging much less any legitimate national messaging. They’ve gone from one set of messages to another like a drunken sailor stumbling from bar to bar. From social reform issues of complete idiocy to matters of incoherent and irrelevant economic issues, to babbling time old ‘generalities’ of resolve that have finally proven unsustainable in our decades old monetary system and economic policies. All of this failed nonsense at a time when the nation was ‘primed’ to hear real, relevant solutions for the worst economic times and consequences in their lifetimes.
What rational person couldn’t justify saying pox to all of the GOP?
That would only be to protect the first “affirmative action” president other than affirmative action this guy should not stand a chance. If there were a better argument for “outcome based education or affirmative action” we are seeing it in real time in our real lives and the results are not pleasant now are they?
I can remember when Rubio was characterized as a Tea Party candidate. But I am open to the idea that times have changed. I think we are at the end of an era when old forms and ways of thinking are no longer valid, but the new ones have not emerged from the wreckage. Ironically the left is the curator and defender of the old and the right is …well.. a bit confused just now. But make no mistake about who is the biggest defender of the status quo – it is the left. It is the right that thinks something is wrong and struggling to find answers. Most of the left still think they have the answers – and I’ve heard them all over and over since I was a kid in the 40s. Mr. Hope and Change: promised us 2048 and served up 1948. Pfui! I don’t see that either Rubio or Paul have the answers, but they are working at it. Until the left wakes up to the fact that the system is broken we will be largely dependent on the conservative side of politics for new ideas. The Tea Party? Well, they make a lot of good points and a lot of not so good ones. The left’s answer OWS? Nada. I wont be around to see it, but look to the governors who have had to face the music in the states. Walker or Cuomo, or Christie. I don’t care which party they are from, they get it they are broke while DC is still kiting checks. It’s a terrible bind. Does anyone believe that a President Romney could have stopped kiting checks? I voted for him because I thought he would kite fewer. DC is in the position of Bernie Madoff – way over their head and can’t stop. For now, it’s all about extend and pretend.
Cuomo did a few decent things, but he’s nothing impressive compared to Scott Walker.
“…look to the governors who have had to face the music in the states.”
Look to the governors who continue at even greaters strides running to the federal government for every kinds of monetary handouts there are, while drafting up new ideas on how to get more money from the feds. All at the same time as running and getting elected on the mantra of BIG BAD FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, to big, and to costly and ignore the states constitutional tenth amendment rights. Maybe all that hypocrisy is why the fiscal conservative movment is not taken as so legitimate.
The pragmatic approach is for us [the voters] to seriously knock Republican heads together or we’re doomed, literally doomed, to smug Obama-ism and its fallout for a generation or more.
This head-knocking has to come from us, the careless, unthinking voters who put them in the Senate and House to begin with.
A transformation is needed from the current aspirations of careerism in the Senate and House to a more flexible and fluid concentrated voting body in both sides of that Dome. If they’re [collectively, no pun intended] such clever folks, they can earn a living elsewhere after a set term of incumbency.
Obama is chortling with crass Kennedy-esque toothy glee over this friction among the Republicans.
As matters stand now, a pox on both Houses. Thinking voters simply cannot permit nouveau arriviste Obama and his ill-suited claque remaining in authority. Think of the significance of this character Feinstein and gun “control”. Good grief.
They have to go, and the only way is to have Republican solidarity.
Agree! The “establishment Republicans” are the equivalent of the Vichy government. They only want their turn at the controls; they don’t really want to fix things. It’s up to us to clean house.
But don’t forget that we also need to take over and hold the state and local governments.
Moran and other establishment Republicans still refuse to face the facts nearly four months after the last election was stolen by the Marxocrats. The old ways are not going, they’re already gone. The Republicans will never win another national election; massive and systemic electoral fraud ensures that outcome. Nearly forty years after the triumph of the Reagan era, the GOPe has squandered every opportunity at every turn and have been thoroughly skunked by the Marxocrats. Its all over.
The future lies with the nullification and secession movement. The Republicans have gained political influence in the “red” state legislatures and can build on that by truly representing the interests of their constituents by extricating their people from the clutches of the tyrannical and illegitimate federal government. Or they can stand by and watch what’s left of their numbers dwindle while people begin to reclaim their stolen freedom and liberty through a return to the Constitution and the Rule of Law in new tactics and associations better represented by third parties.
What else is there? The Constitutional Republic of old is already dead and gone.
The majority of Senate R’s voted to arm the Muslim Brotherhood. The GOP can’t die fast enough.
Just for clarification, that was meant as a general comment not a response.
The word libertarian would be useful in this conversation. Republicans are libertarian in varying percentages with Rand Paul closer to 100% and Lindsey Graham near 0%. Palin falls somewhere in between. I expect the libertarians will continue to merge with or cooperate with the GOP as it becomes more libertarian. The young seem much more likely to be libertarian than conservative so that is where the future lies. Also ahead of us is the possibility of catastrophic failure of the Keynesian social democrat model and the ensuing fallout. History may hold the trump card in this debate.
Viator, history most definately holds the trump card. The problem for us is that this card will not be played in our lifetimes. History’s verdicts tend to be arrived at when most or all of the major players from an histrical period have passed. It is the only way an objective approach can be taken. While we are alive we tend to read the writings of those “players” who often are only defending the actions they took. But our grandchildren will learn the facts……unfortunate as they might be.
The Tea Party believes the establishment, in embracing the basic idea of the welfare state, is little better than the Democratic Party [snip]
There are two intractable problems, neither of which the tea party addresses.
1. The largest outlays of taxpayer $ are to the elderly and the military. This is the lion’s share of the fed budget. The “welfare state” other than the elderly is actually fairly small.
2. Jobs and entry to the middle class is key, but a long term trend predating this era is that jobs have been leaving the US (since after WWII.) By the 70′s it was difficult to buy US made consumer electronics; today this has all but disappeared. Fiddling with minimum wage is silly for both sides. You do not grow an economy by taking in each others laundry and selling each other burgers.
What needs to be done is set the government on a trajectory to help create job growth via changes in law and yes perhaps even bootstrap programs (e.g. remove red tape and provide short term loans to kickstart nuclear plants.) Provide the environment for job growth and the money problem goes away.
The error of establishment Republicans in their acceptance of some of the status quo and a pragmatic not constitutional viewpoint is that they conveniently forget the pendulum like sway of politics. Meaning that someday Democrats will hold the reins of power and using the same political philosophy of establishment Republicans, expand government. It is a never ending downward spiral caused by pragmatism, unrestrained by the narrow guidelines in the constitution.
One thing working in favor of “politics” as a business is this pendulum like sway. Neither party wants that emotive energy to go away.
The GOP is trying to tell us that the future “Mr. Next in Line” will be Jeb Bush.
No way. No How. No can do. Now and Forever. Nuna mas. Siempre.
If Karl Rove gets his way, J Bush will be the candidate. They’ll ram him down our throats the way they did with Romney. BTW. How about we get rid of that damn circular firing squad….AKA “debates?”
BTW. How about we get rid of that damn circular firing squad….AKA “debates?”
No need. But two changes need made.
First, don’t let the all debates be controlled by the MSM, which has every reason to poison every one of the Republican candidates.
Second, get some articulate candidates who can debate on principles more like Abraham Lincoln, instead of the short-sighted negativity so beloved by the MSM in its horserace coverage.
Notice must be taken of how well Newt Gingrich’s firebreathing ripostes to the MSM toadies went over with the debate audiences. The public is aware of the corrosive bias there, and cheers those who face it down.
I couldn’t agree more! The ONLY moderators should be Fed Reserve and monetary experts along with legitimate economic experts. They are the only two ‘core’ areas that are seriously broken, in which, creates ALL of the problems surrounding our economy of free enterprise and jobs. Move to fix these problems and much of the governments fiscal mess can be systemically self correcting.
Jeb just said he would govern like LBJ!
Ah, no, we are done with the Bush Family, they are for Global governance, national education and failed to educate the public on what caused the recession, it was not tax cuts, under Rove’s instructions, they didn’t defend a single thing and now the low information voter believes that tax cuts are the root of our fiscal problems. If you don’t fight, you cannot win.
No Child Left Behind led the foundation to Common Core Standards and sealed the deal on national education, now POTUS is going after the little ones in pre-K. No thank you, I’m for a candidate who will stand for freedom and the rule of law, I’m done with the elites on the Left and Right.
“The wheeling and dealing Johnson loved and relished is what will be needed to pass bills such as immigration regulations. That process is also how government gets expanded and cronyism thrives, as Peter Schweizer’s nonpartisan Government Accountability Institute and directer Stephen K. Bannon documented in “Boomtown.”
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/02/15/Jeb-Bush-I-d-Strive-to-Be-Like-Lyndon-Johnson-if-Elected-President
Not fighting back seems to have started in ’05, W’s first year of his second term. Do you recall the pounding he took from the Dems and the MSM over Iraq and then Katrina? And he said …………….NOTHING! For almost a full year. It was maddening. For some insane reason that “strategy” has become the norm for the GOP. Just think of Romney who after compiling some headway after the first debate, allowed himself to be pummeled by the corrupt combo of the Dems and the MSM. His silence was unfathomable.
But the Tea Party fails to get the real problem. Establishment Republicans are in the pocket of Private Equity and Big Business. Those groups teach of gospel of Free Trade and targeted regulation designed to limit domestic competition. Free Trade is the Private Equity code word for close American plants, offshore the work to China, and use “free trade” to bring the goods back to America. Here is where the Democrats play a part, without the Democrats welfare state providing some comfort to workers displaced when Private Equity closes American factories, American workers would be in full riot against the establishment. The Democrats welfare state programs cushion the blow when Republican Private Equity folks kill off small towns and working people’s jobs. Establishment Republicans and Democrats work hand in hand to let Big Business and Private Equity prosper.
Which gets to the Tea Party. They are misguided. It is about much more than smaller government. It is about smarter government that breaks up big business, stops offshoring of jobs, makes Private Equity pay its fair share of taxes (eliminate “carried Interest”), and stops the Free Trade monster that kills off American opportunity.
Until the Tea Party realizes that the enemy is Big Business, Private Equity, and the Chamber of Commerce, the Tea Party will not improve things. Today the rules are stacked against Main Street America. The Tea Party becomes useful idiots on the behalf of Establishment Republicans when the Tea Party fetishizes opposition to taxes. Taxes are a small part of the story.
No one is working to help Main Street.
What is more important to me than the GOP is my family.
When the GOP attacks members of my family that happen to be gay as if they were sub-human and second class citizens, and then play “go along to get along” Democrat-light crony corporatism and socialist wealth redistribution when it comes to fiscal issues, they give me no real reason to support them.
The reason the “bigot” label sticks is directly tied to the religious overreach of the God Uber Alles crowd that can’t grow up when it comes to gay adults in a Liberty based society.
I won’t be voting for any Democrats, but I might just start staying home.
When my gay cousin, who has contributed far more than his fair share of taxes by being a productive member of the private sector for many years, is treated like an un-person, based solely on a Bible based rule, you aren’t being American, you are being more like an Islamist and I want nothing to do with it anymore.
And yea, Rove needs to retire.
What nonsense.
Where have Republicans treated ANYBODY like they’re not humans? Because of their belief on marriage? Because that’s a straw-man from the word go.
I think you’ve bought the leftist BS hook line and sinker. The media played the worst of the bunch, made it seem like all GOPers were the same, and you’ve fallen for it.
What leftist B.S.? Guess you’re not real familiar with the so-called religious right. Couple days after the election, a prominent social conservative publicly announced that the reason Romney lost was because he did not come out more strongly against abortion. As if jobs and the economy didn’t matter at all to this person.
Rick Moran thinks there is a schism in the party between establishment Republicans and Tea Partiers. Maybe so. There’s also a schism between libertarians and the religious adherents.
“..a schism between libertarians and religious adherents”? So libertarians are opposed to religion, or at least religion having a voice in the public square? I suspect a lot of folks that consider themselves libertarians would disagree with that. Then again, I doubt that any two libertarians could agree on what libertarianism means beyond “minimalist government”. On these pages, they seem to range from anti-religious bigots to those who want our “God given rights” repected as such; and from some who would return to the Articles of Confederation to those who merely want strict Constitutional construction- especially on the Bill of Rights. Some seem to want virtual anarchism, others a laissez faire financial system, and some approve of a limited safety net.
No two of them could, I believe, agree on a basic program, much less the details, and twenty trying to draft one would probably lead to bloodshed. What is Libertarianism but a fancy word for “my way”.
Its the truth. It is driving long time Republicans away. This schism is indeed between the libertarians and the religious right. The GOP ignores it at their peril.
My whole family is a long time GOP family and we’re tired of the unequal treatment of private loving relationships between adults by the God Uber Alles crowd based on their religion and not a fair application of individual rights. It is an irrational fear, based on ignorance and refusal to see them as truly equal people.
But, as with the left on gun control, the strong negative emotional reactions of some conservatives towards equal rights for adult gay relationships is not a sound basis for law.
“Every four years, the major multinational corporations of the world get together and put someone in the White House.” Noam Chomsky
Rubio believes and another incremental course adjustment plus some rebranding can get the Repubs that extra few percentage they need in they next cycle.
This is not where most Repub voters are. They gave the establishment a chance with McCain and they did it one more time with Romney. No more chances.
Alot of voters will look at Rand Paul as the most vigourous, consistent conservative voice out there. Voters are ready to kick the Repub estaablishment to the curb and try something radical. A true, small gov’t conadidate.
Rubio’s strategy is incrementalism, essentially supporting the status quo the Dems have made. By aligning himself with the Jeb Bush wing of the establishment, Rubio has tied himself to the mast of the Titanic.
No amount of inerviews with Mark Levin can put enough lipstick on that.
I don’t see that huge difference between Rubio and Paul on ideology or policy. I see differences in temperament and strategy, but not objectives. Seems to me that people like Rubio and even Rove have better strategies for winning and, if we don’t win, we can’t implement conservative policies.
Seems to me both Paul and Rubio are too green, and haven’t yet established where they stand. For me Paul is just a gentler copy of his father, and too far into the “libertarian” edge of the party to form a winning majority.
Personally, I think Paul Ryan has established himself as a consistant conservative with a real idea of what needs to be done, and he’d be my current choice. There’s a lot of water going to go under the bridge before we get to that choice, however, and the key now is to work on challenging the Rino’s in the mid-terms. How any potential presidential candidates perform on the battles between now and then, and in that election, will make a lot of difference in who
should eventually win our support.
The Deal with Jack Hunter: Goodbye to Conservatism!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7TS4KCaoAGM
The Tea Party is ‘Middle America’ and is the Barry Goldwater wing of the Republican party who are having our say. The establishment power hungry NEO-CONS way continue to support our servitude and slavey! I refuse to be a servant for anybody according to the Declaration of Independence!
VIVA LA TEA PARTY, FREEDOM ACCORDING TO THE DECLARATION!
Note that the NYTimes has already started trashing Ted Cruz, by quoting such stalwarts as John ‘Find-me-a-camera’ McCain and his poodle Lindsey Graham as thinking Cruz too rude, not adhering to Senate proprieties. I say let’s look for prosecutors, such as Cruz and Trey Gowdy. None of this fawning BS about “my esteemed friend so-and-so [think Chuck 'Who, Me Worry?'Hagel or John 'Taquia' Brennan or Hillary 4-Eyes Clinton]” but “just answer the question, please.” I’ve had enough of this faux respect. They think they are the nobility in 18th C France, prancing and dancing in their powdered wigs. Let’s get serious, and get tough.
Finally a Repulican who fights for his beliefs and everyone is falling down in shock. Isn’t it great how the mainline Republicans picked up on the criticism of Cruz started by the Dems. Cruz does to a smaller degree what Dems have always done. I wonder how sucessful Republicans would be if a few more followed Cruz’ lead and fought for their principles?
Cruz is also one who might score serious points against the MSM toadies who moderate and poison and report on the ‘debates’. Agreed that if we’re to be stuck with lawyers ruling the roost, then the sharp articulate prosecutors are far better than the run of the mill weasels.
Dr. Carson is showing what can be accomplished by speaking out calmly, offering solutions, and sticking to conservative principles. If you missed him on Hannity, http://www.therightscoop.com/full-interview-dr-ben-carson-on-hannity-2/
see how easily he handled the Q&A. His hot button is education, it is too early to know if he will be a candiate in 2016 and we must learn more about him. But, he is going to be a player educating the public. He joined twitter and in just a few hours picked up 10K+ followers. He is going to stir the pot and drive the Left crazy. Cruz and Carson have the right approach, speak the truth and offer solutions. Stay far away from Rove.
@ Ed
I like Cruz. Maybe a VP pick? Ryan/Cruz? As I said earlier, though, we’ve got a way to go before we pick up teams for ’16.
At the outset of this blog Mr. Moran makes an interesting dichotomy between “regular Republicans” and “conservative activists”. I don’t see those as mutually exclusive. And Rand Paul isn’t necessarily the poster child for either.
I agree with his observation of differences in temperament within the conservative movement. And this is where “establishment” Republicans have failed the conservative-minded voter. Pragmatism and appeasement do not have to be one in the same. Congressional decorum does not preclude fighting for principle and calling out deceit and misdirection.
Democrats consistently message to their constituents and point out flaws of their opponents. Do Republicans have a fear of being in the arena and getting some dirt on their faces? We mock Obama speeches but they appeal to his constituents and reassure them of his vision. We mock his constant campaign mode but it keeps the message in front of otherwise low info voters. What’s our message? WHy should voters care? How will it matter to them? Will it help their situation? Let’s give them an alternative.
It is inaccurate to say the Tea Party is “anti-government,” although there is certainly a faction within the Tea Party that is.
You need to be explicit here. Exactly what tea party faction is “anti-government”? Name names, and give evidence. Otherwise, you’re full of hooey.
In the case of the GOP establishment, that would be “Ship(s) Sinking in the Night”.
“… a schism not easily healed …” What does “healing” have to do with anything? The GOP establishment has failed us. The only way to “heal” that is to kick their asses out and replace them with a younger, sharper, and non-chickenshit cadre of conservative Republicans who will stand with US (rank & file Republicans), not THEM.
Tea Party folks aren’t “anti-government,” we’re anti-BIG-government. Just as we are not “anti-immigrant,” we are anti-ILLEGAL-imigrant. And it’s bad enough when the National Obama Press purposely misrepresents who we are and what we stand for. But when party leaders (who have been in office far too long) resort to the very same smear tactics against their own solid base, it is intolerable. We cannot give in to these arrogant, Karl-Rovian deal-makers. They and their agendas must be defeated. They need to be shown the door. No thank-yous or gold watches.
Too bad about their intolerance towards their once very reliable base. The way I see it we are better off with a Democrat party that will drive us over the ‘cliff’ at high speed rather than the somewhat slower speed a RINO might take. I know quite a few conservatives that weren’t all that dismayed when Romney lost. So now the GOP elite are all talking about who might be the savior of the GOP. Hint: It won’t be a RINO. Hell – in four years we might not need a savior – we might only need a shovel to bury the remains of a once-great nation. I think the Russians or Chinese will oblige.
Interesting and illuminating distinctions between the views of Paul and Rubio by Mr. Rick Moran.
And after the ridicule visited on Marco Rubio after his awkward sip of water during his response to the President’s state of the union message, at least to me, it’s become evident that the Democratic Party and mainstream media are united in their open hate for Spanish speaking people everywhere.
It has truly bubbled to the surface.
I don’t point this out as a simple observation.
I point it out as a great way to slam Obama and the Democrats, and get Hispanics and Cuban Americans to consider whether the Democratic Party deserves their unbridled allegiance.
Unfortunately, the Republican Party is run by self satisfied amateurs who don’t know how to turn events to their advantage.
I don’t know if all things must change. But this particular fact must if the Republican party is to avoid owning the relevance of the eight track cartridge in modern American society.
We need a unified Republican party that has a clear message. Prioritize a 3 point agenda. Attack the Chicago style politics by publicly upping the ante using truth and back up with facts. Always be respectful.
Once again Mr. Moran paints the RINO’s as reasonable – using the term pragmatists 3 times as a descriptor.
From WikiPedia:
Definition of PRAGMATIC
1
archaic
a (1) : busy (2) : officious
b : opinionated
2
: relating to matters of fact or practical affairs often to the exclusion of intellectual or artistic matters : practical as opposed to idealistic
I like that ‘opinionated’ definition! Kind of smokes out the elites since they are all so opinionated.
Personally I see the RINO’s (i.e. the ‘pragmatists’) as a bunch of ‘go along to get along’ politicians. I believe they will never willingly kill ObamaCare – won’t cut the size and grasp of the Federal Government – and seem only worried about the national debt since a finger in the wind (public polls) tell them more than 50% of Americans from all stripes agree the debt is worrisome. You cannot govern a country with a finger in the wind. I’ve got a finger the wind — in salute to all you RINO’s.
If the ‘establishment’ Republican Party continues to back the most liberal of GOP candidates and gives short shrift to those like O’Donnell and others (remember Rove’s curt reaction?) they will continue to lose the backing of those they need the most – conservative voters. If this country is going down for the count it may as well be at high speed – the RINO low speed bleed seems no better than the Democrats ways. It just lets the pain linger longer.
How’d that Romney nomination work out for you? Dole? Gawd almighty that one was a joke! McCain? Geez Louise! GHW Bush? One term doesn’t cut it when followed by 2 terms of a Democrat. The only reason why Bush the elder ever got elected in the first place was because the country wasn’t over having RR leaving office. We found out quickly that GHW Bush was no conservative – neither was his son. Beating Gore should have been a cake-walk for any worthy politician. I salute GW for his war on terror – and blame him for the ill-advised Iraqi war.
So…look at all the RINOs you ‘pragmatic’ GOP members have put up for offer – not a very good track record is it?
I rest my case.
There is another difference between and Paul and Mark Rubio. Whatever the similarities in their platforms – and the author is correct to point them out – Rubio is s BS artist and Rand Paul isn’t.
Lets read as follows –
PAUL: A great education needs to be available for everyone, whether you live on country club lane or in government housing.
This will only happen when we allow school choice for everyone, rich or poor, white, brown, or black.
Let the taxes you pay for education follow each and every student to the school of your choice.
RUBIO: Helping the middle class grow will also require an education system that gives people the skills today’s jobs entail and the knowledge that tomorrow’s world will require.
Paul starts out by stating a truism with no political buzz words. To the point he says a great education is needed for everyone.
Rubio introduces his thoughts with a barrage of flowery bromides and BS political speech – “Helping the middle class grow will also require an education system that gives people the skills today’s jobs entail and the knowledge that tomorrow’s world will require”
Let us count the way. Paul says education is important. Rubio locates the importance of education in the language of a sophist – Helping the middle class grow he says and oh how flowery help is and how vague grow is. And then come the capper in this form. “Citizens we must acquire today what tomorrow requires”
Rubio’s language is political sophistry
Yes, political sophistry and he does it in both English and Spanish.
Rubio & Paul are:
1. Both Republicans
2. Both Tea Party (Where is Charlie Crist these days?)
Rand Paul’s outlook about government is more like Ron Paul’s.
Rubio’s outlook about government is more like Sarah Palin’s.
The difference are not insignificant but they are a whole, whole lot less than say of those between Barry Goldwater and Lowell Weicker who served in the Senate together as Republicans
Rubio, voted YEA for the NDAA police state. That is not Tea Party or Conservative. That is establishment voting against the Constitution. I am sure you can find the info yourself.
Bill, I respectfully disagree with you. Rubio is much more like Charlie Crist than Sarah Palin.
The minute someone starts putting curliques and hearts and flowers on the speeches I immediately draw back. Call a spade a spade. Just above your posting Lawrence (probably another Lawrence, right?) called Rubio out for sophistry. I agree. I speak English well enough to know when somebody is ladling out the BS. By the way, Spanish is my first language, so I can tell you
that Rubio is capable of speaking out of both sides of his mouth. And I like Rubio, don’t misunderstand. I just prefer someone that talks straight at you.
No habla Rubio.
The solution is simple… not easy, but simple.
First, succeed in uniting America’s small business coalition and their many supporters. All of them. Big business has climbed the ladder of success, but is now pulling that ladder up behind them. Too many are anti-competition, anti-growth and corrupt… all bad for America, innovation and new job creation.
How this coalition goes… so will our nation’s future.
Second, nominate a courageous and articulate spokesperson who can and will defend us against the onslaught that will most certainly come. The left and their hangers-on will not go quietly into the night. He or she must also speak “people-speak” and be able to reach people’s hearts by talking about the only thing that now matters… defending and restoring the American dream and all of its freedoms which are presently in the process of being stolen from us by the left and their willing accomplices.
Otherwise… we are Europe, and done.
When the honest fiscal conservatives begin to talk about the root causes of whats come home to roost for America, I’ll begin to listen to them. When they become educated in Americas monetary system leading up to the Nixon administration and to the present and begin bring forth real solutions, they will have a national audience. Below is a question to ponder along with the answer.
Why did Nixon close the gold window? The answer to that question is that he was FORCED to by the frivolous money printing during the Kennedy and Johnson administrations, Bretton Woods be damned. The War in Vietnam, Space Race with the USSR, and the “Great Society” social programs under Johnson (and since) were far too costly to ever be financed through taxation, but Kennedy and Johnson were men of big dreams. By 1968, the French and Swiss were draining the US Treasury gold reserves of gold at $35 an ounce, using dollars received in foreign exchange. When Nixon took office in 1969, the Treasury was already hemorrhaging gold bullion. By 1971, the US Treasury had lost 58% of its 1949 gold reserves, forcing Nixon to close the gold window, or devalue the dollar to $198 for an ounce of US Gold and return to honest money. To our great misfortune, he chose to close the gold window.
We have over a trillion fiat dollars in global cirrculation today, worth what? Even Alan Greespan, when asked, could not define what a “dollar” is today! Currently, as the Fed reserve printing presses continue to roll, to whom does all that new currency go? How much of our currency is held by foreign nations? How much of the nations currency is held by the top 1%, 5%, 10% and 20% income earners? How much of the nations currency is held by the middle clases on down? What is the gap between to top 20% and the rest of the nations income classes?
When the fiscal conservatives are educated enough to understand the core economic problems that have come home to roost after many decades, paint a picture that the nation can understand and have reasonable solutions as their central messaging — they will have become a legitimate fiscal movement.
Thus far, they are noting more than a social religious and fiscal conservative faction that has no undersatandings of the core economic problems much less any ratrional solutions. They continue on with the mantra they erroneously contribute to Reaganomics and low taxes which has proven unsustainable in the monetary and economic system of the U.S. post Nixon administration.
So, yes, the GOP and the Tea party are passing ships in the night and — BOTH seriously lost!
And the Dems have no ideas on how to solve, or even remediate these issues, but, to belabor the obvious, they are masters of distributing free (or greatly reduced price) stuff. The Tea Party has this magical thinking that if the Federal, or is it all? government simply becomes less of a player, that things will get better. Instead, I would ask for someone who has an understanding of the complex equation of what being able to buy good, stuff, cheap from the Chinese, costs us, and then can sell the new direction toward which the huge ship of state and commerce has to begin to turn. One obvious problem is that as harder and harder times befall us, a clear majority of people instinctively look to the state to protect them, and will vote along the lines of that instinct.
And the Dems have no ideas on how to solve, or even remediate these issues, but, to belabor the obvious, they are masters of distributing free (or greatly reduced price) stuff.
That argument presupposes that the poor would much rather stand in line for an obamaphone and eat crap food and live in bad conditions rather than have a big house and a mercedes parked out front.
You confuse a condition (being poor) with a desire for that condition.
To the extent that anyone would ever vote left re being poor, they would do so in threat to the removal (by republicans) of what few micro-perks they have. If the republicans were offering a way out of being poor rather than the perception of wanting to punish the poor for the bad luck of being poor, the GOP would get a lot more votes.
And yes it’s understood that there is a fraction of people who are no good and will never work. They are not this majority your argument presupposes.
Romney’s 47% remark for example includes seniors who don’t make enough retirement to pay tax, the working poor, workers who are unemployed, workers who used to pull down reasonable money and no longer can, and so on. In that 47% the majority of them would rather not be there.
The problem with your argument (or for that mnatter ALL arguments that reference “free stuff”) is the completely wrong suppostion that this is where people want to be. Very few people want to be poor. I don’t. Do you? Of course not.
I am not trying to speak in absolutes but as the economic climate becomes a relatively more difficult place in which to thrive, or survive, there will be relatively more people who want more security, rather than wanting to be risk-takers; that’s all.
Yes, Dwight, you are correct, in that the democrats have no solutions either to the core problems. The USD is in a most serious and fragile position as the worlds monetary currency. This is a circumstance that the external directorates of the nation building strategies for globalization never conceptualized after the closing of the gold window. Currently, the fed reserve is burning up its printing presses in a desparate attempt of stablizing not only the U.S. economy anf financial institutions but also, all of westernized Europes monetary and economic structures. The USD is rapidly becoming worthless and as you say, neither the democrats or the republicans expert monetary and ecomomic consultants haven’t any clue how to approach a fix without the risk of a complete collapse. In the meantime, the nation is being divided by special interest groups over completely irrelevant and silly issues. Likewise, the middle class who still have jobs are living on credit and debt beyond their means and haven’t a clue how close they are to becoming poverty statisitics as Americas overwhelming percentage of monetary wealth is held by foreign governments, financial institutions and wealthy individuals. Sadly, the GOP stragegies since the 80s, continues to be one of fortifying wealth consoldiation as every legitmate chart will validate. Since the 80s, the governments size, cost and debt has increased over decades of consolidated previous administrations as again, every legitimate chart will validate.
So, I see the democrats, the republicans AND the tea party’s socalled fiscal conservatives as LOST!
When I hear a Tea Party member, let alone a Republican call for the elimination of the U.S. Departments of Education, Environment, Labor, Commerce,
Transportation, Housing, and Interior; that is when I will have some greater
degree of confidence that the conservative wing is winning. Also call for
putting the Department of Veterans Affairs back into the Deptarment of Defense.
Just calling for the management of a downsized government isn’t genuine opposition; Boo Hoo Boehner and chinless Mitch McConnell are really two useless
examples of how easily the Republican party can be manipulated by Obama and
his crew.
Possibly there is some hope in Ted Cruz, he might be one of the conservative commers.
Tsk,Tsk. Moran is again out doing Rove’s bidding. I hope the GOP establishment, ‘inside DC Beltway’, lobbyist loving, ‘those who helped put us 16 trillion into debt’, ‘insider trading, ‘getting favors loving’ and ‘McCain & Lindsay wing’ ship is sunk at sea by the ‘constitution loving’ and ‘budget balancing’ Tea Party ice burg.
You don’t get elected today unless you sell your soul to special interests groups financing your bid for election. Once elected and go off to Washington, you learn immediately that, if you want to participate in governance you must again sell your soul to party special interest groups and lockstep voting as dictated by party leadership. Welcome to the world of corrupted private sector free enterprise and corrupted government! The ‘tea party’ will one day learn their lessons about how and by whom government is run.
It is hard to conceive the intelligentsia of establishment GOP’s mind set, I get the crony part, I despise it, it is Constitutional sabotage. Though it still boggles my mind but I have no doubt the founders would hang them high. Wait, I have no doubt the founders would have ever let Crony establishment happen to begin with nor, would they have every let The Left. Much of the Politicians today would be tried for Treason.
NEXT!!! The very idea republicans need to bend, except, compromise, etc with this left, I’m guessing left of center but who knows. Left of center at minimums? Far left? Then Where? Since the left is hardly slightly left of center on any issue this very far unconstitutional left is probably where bending over would end up.
NEXT!!! Republicans were voted in by constituents who very well said LOUDLY, “stop spending,” stop compromising,” STOP!!STOP!!STOP!! Particularly I have no doubt Republican voters whom we voted to office meant ANYTHING Otherwise! Once again, as usually we have we have GOP establishments absolutely not listening to their own people.
NEXT!!! Any republican that is going along with anything this President suggests is extremely a dishonorable politician 2nd and un-American 1st. Who do they think they are? Replaceable they are!
The very idea republicans take the advice of Rove and cohorts are a huge mistake. As well, that they would take heart to LameMSMimmes is Outrageous, do republican politicians actually think we are listen to MSM.
NEXT!!! For Obama to press the Republicans with “The People have spoken”… …“We won” SO WHAT, His People spoke. So SPOKE Republican Constituents!!!!! Obama is one branch! Republicans are in both houses and they should take heed to the constituents if they want to keep their seats.
The Republicans also need to HOLD up the Constitution, It is the LAW! ALL Branches accountable. Holder should have all ready been found guilty; Obama should already be in front of a panel. This Admin and its Czars are corrupt and Congress just sits their on their thrones. It is nothing more than political theater and they think American Constituents’ are bamboozled, not at all, more like we got their number. As well, it is the number of Constituent votes they should worry about?
If the Republicans want to keep the seats they have Then they the must buck the left and this admin to hell and back if they have to and if they want to win more seats they need to dish rove and the establishment ideology. Again, it is the Number of Republican Constituent votes in their corner they should worry about not the number the left or Obama has.
Biography WEDNESDAY, JULY 13, 2011
Henri de Saint-Simon
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