Going Rove: Mr. Establishment ‘Squelches’ Talk of Establishment-Brokered Convention
Yes, fine: a brokered convention presents obstacles to victory that a decisive primary season does not. History demonstrates this, and reason suggests it, as it defines a present lack of a candidate able to generate sufficient enthusiasm. If the GOP does not coalesce around Romney, Santorum, or Gingrich, the challenge of defeating Obama and ending national decline is certainly greater.
Unless, of course, it isn’t. I just watched a Harvard grad toast the Lakers and a 7-7 team take the Super Bowl, and I think the odds of a GOP candidate-to-be-named-later beating Obama are not bad at all, and definitely safer gambles than those two.
Two GOP groups now welcome the possibility of a brokered convention, but the two analyze that outcome as positive for entirely different reasons. This week, Rep. Thad McCotter made the case against the distasteful group: I support his argument against the anonymous establishment panicked about Romney’s failure with fiscal conservatives, though I’m not convinced by McCotter’s reasoning against brokered conventions producing a new candidate, and I am among the second group unconcerned about it possibly occurring this year.
This morning, Karl Rove — while also making the case that there simply is no GOP establishment, which is like the ACORN insistence that there is no voter fraud, though sans felony — attempted to squelch talk of a brokered or managed convention. I suggest you don’t buy it. Rove has simply recognized the trend behind Santorum’s rise: the conservative base is simply not going to submit to Romney before they have to, and they’ve lined up behind Santorum knowing he isn’t really their guy. A significant impetus behind this strength — besides strength of character — is the conservative base’s knowledge that a brokered convention could, yes, actually produce a Reagan conservative from somewhere, somehow.
Rove’s op-ed is simply the establishment playing another hand: attract them to Romney via crushing their spirit. He writes:
Let’s put it this way: The odds are greater that there’s life on Pluto than that the GOP has a brokered convention. And while there’s a better chance of a contested convention, it’s still highly unlikely.
A summary, for those who don’t speak Rove:
There is no chance of a convention giving you what you want, so vote Romney. However, if Romney continues to scuffle, look out for my future op-ed on what a thrilling opportunity a brokered convention could be. Now please excuse me, I’ve got Haley Barbour on the line.
McCotter called out the GOP establishment a couple days prior to Rove’s op-ed; my guess is that Rove’s piece has done nothing to fade McCotter’s anger. He wrote:
Even as the Republican Presidential primary hits fever pitch in my home state of Michigan, the GOP establishment maneuvers for an orchestrated convention that “chooses” some “new face” as our standard bearer.
I abjectly reject such despicable machinations.
Insiders working to bury Santorum and Gingrich, and to either reestablish Romney or insert another moderate? Clintonian, and absolutely still on Rove’s flow chart, despite this morning’s pshaw.
McCotter continued:
Having unsuccessfully competed against all of the candidates for our party’s nomination for President of the United States, I attest to the mettle of the remaining contenders; and aver that at the end of this brutal primary process — potentially including a convention fight — our GOP nominee must be Mitt, Rick, Newt or Ron.
Following the momentous reawakening of populist conservatism in 2009-10, an establishment controlled GOP convention that produces a handpicked “non-candidate” for our Presidential nominee would:
1. Betray the courage of our current contenders who entered the GOP primary process;
Stand with McCotter against Rove, but rationally, this first argument shouldn’t move you. Courage is supposed to be a quiet dignity thing, and there are a few hundred thousand Americans whose courage we shoud care to reward prior to those four: the ones carrying carbines, handcuffs, etc. (Of course we can safely believe McCotter thinks this as well, he is a known champion of servicemen and first responders. Just don’t like his argument here.) Further, I don’t think Mitt, Rick, Newt, or Ron believe their courage alone need be rewarded, they all seem made of better stuff.
McCotter:
2. Reward an individual who lacked such courage and, instead, chose to sit on the sidelines during this transformational time of hope and peril in the life of our nation;
I don’t believe the possible candidates who chose not to run — yet — made the decision based on a lack of courage; McCotter is presumptuous to assume they did. To include the obvious reason, we should sooner praise a politician who passed on a chance for the presidency for the sake of his family’s stability and privacy. McCotter’s first two points sound like intra-industry back-patting, like when a new model of Ray-Bans gets hired to head up “development” at Disney, and every executive in Burbank buys a quarter-page in Variety to praise his choice of Cuba Gooding Jr. for Snow Dogs. McCotter certainly gives the impression he believes elected office to be one the most difficult, sacrificial positions in public service. (Again, McCotter doesn’t think this. He’s one of the most promising young conservatives serving. Just don’t like his presentation.)
More McCotter:
3. Belie our Republican party’s claim to trust the judgment of the sovereign American people, especially those who have worked and voted for the current candidates; and …
4. Dispirit and divide our party at the very time it must unite to defeat President Obama and reaffirm American Exceptionalism in the 21st Century.
Yes and yes. More:
While for we rank and file Republicans this last goal is primary; for the perk and praise addled GOP establishment this last goal is secondary: its obsessive concern is control of the party not the fate of the country. The GOP establishment’s every escalating attempt to broker a convention and produce a puppet nominee prove the point; thus, it is the duty of every Republican to condemn and combat an establishment orchestrated convention. A GOP that distrusts its primary voters will be distrusted by general election voters – and rightly so.
McCotter condemns and will combat an establishment-orchestrated convention; the conservative base should as well. However, a voter-necessitated convention is fine. First, because the voters asked for it, knowing the established primary rules. And a managed convention with a series of votes designed to brew artificial support for one of the four candidates by eliminating one or two of the others doesn’t strike as being necessarily more democratic.
But second: keep considering a brokered convention because of our national calamity.






i don’t know if there will be a brokered convention or not. however, one can be certain that unless there is a clear, first ballot win, the MSM will call it one.
1)There is no “Republican establishment”, that’s just sour grapes and alibis for losers. If people don’t get the most voters to pick their guy, they whine that there is some “evil cabal” playing with voters’ minds. Hogwash.
2)There is going to be a contested convention. Perhaps brokered is the wrong term. The chances of one of these four unifying the very distinct and very separate factions of anti-leftist domination…is so slim, as to be non-existent.
3)It is highly unlikely that after we get to the August convention, that people are going to feel any MORE enthused about Mitt Romney, any LESS afraid of Santorum’s genital preoccupations or sightings of the Devil, any GREATER attraction to Gingrich’s flights of fancy with sex on the moon and Jurassic Park fantasies and other erratic behaviors or …well, that any sane person would let Ron Paul run a lemonade stand.
4)It isn’t courage, but ego, that pushed vastly inferior candidates into this muddy scrum. While the vetting process is a messy, ugly affair…some candidates didn’t fear it personally. There are legitimate reasons why some of them chose not to run. Jeb Bush carried a genetic marker, Paul Ryan may have felt a bit young for this go around, Mitch Daniels decided not to put his wife through the grinder, Chris Christie is too moderate for much of the base. I don’t think lack of courage is in play here at all, and I would pay front row seats to someone who wanted to tell Christie in a dark alley that he’s not tough enough, to his face.
5)What the real issue is here and some people simply will not face it, is this:
These candidates suck. The choices are simply not good ones. We NEED a course correction. Losing should not be an option. Accepting a crappy candidate to go forth and lose big, is simply idiotic. Sure, they each have rabid, rather unhinged fanatics behind them, but the overwhelming majority of voters are underwhelmingly not whelmed for any one of them.
6)The ONLY way to salvage our last, great, desperate hope for taking back this country from where Obama and the small c communists take us next, is to unify behind a ticket that all factions can live with and support. (aside from crazy, unhinged nutjobs who will pout and take their ball and go home if their guy isn’t the candidate)
Rubio as the VP seems to be ok with almost everyone except, again for a few nutjobs. That seals the bottom of the ticket.
Ryan or Daniels I believe would be ok with most everyone. I think Christie would irritate the non-Romneys. I think Jeb Bush would give rise to this “establishment” nonsense…and doesn’t pair with Rubio as well as Ryan and Daniels. I think Haley Barbour has some Mississippi friendships that are too tough to overcome.
In order to vote for Romney, Gingrich or Santorum…a huge chunk of the voting base would have to “settle” for someone they don’t like or admire or respect. If we have to “settle” at a “contested” convention, why not “settle” on a unifying candidate? Nobody is going to “win” this primary. All the cards are face up on the table now. Even a blind man can read them. The base is screaming NONE OF THE ABOVE. We ought to give them what they are looking for.
Before it’s too late.
Ah, but here’s the rub: Once the convention is over, we WILL have a candidate. Then we have a binary issue: We will either vote for the candidate or not.
That vote should hang on one question: “Will the nominee be better than Obama?”
The answer will be yes. Whether it be Romney, Gingrich or whoever, that answer will be yes.
The sad thing is, all these really crappy candidates (with appologies to Santorum, a decent fellow otherwise IMHO) are expect us to feel that way..
“hey, you gonna vote for Obama instead of me?” is not a major selling point.
Its an insult. Yes, I hate Obama, and with good reason. I would vote for anyone to replace him.
But I need more than “I’m not him” to be satisfied. This current crop does not do anything to instill confidence they will
A) beat Obama in the first place.
B) do anything effective to reverse the damage the small c commies have done.
Esablishment types like Rove are no friend of the patriot or the working man. Being only slightly LESS smug, evil and controlling of the process than the lefties, is not much of a virtue.
We deserve better
What we think we deserve and what we can have are two different things. Reality: We can only choose from the people that are running. Reality: Either the GOP candidate or Obama are going to take the inaugural oath in January of next year. Reality: You can vote for one or the other, or you can stay home or vote for a third party, in which case you’ll actually be voting for the guy you hate more.
That’s it. That’s what you can have.
Choose wisely.
Why? Why can’t somebody else win? Only because you refuse to consider it as a possibility. Regardless, a vote for a candidate is a vote for that candidate, and no one else. Here’s my slogan from 2008: Don’t blame me, I voted for Huckabee.
No, Romney will NOT be better than Obama, for a host of reasons. Here are just two:
1. The RINO Establishment (and if you think there is no such thing, uh, you need help) has been shoving one horrendous candidate after another down our throats for a long time. They do so, confident that the peasants will dutifully line up and vote for the R candidate when election time comes. We have such a pathetic field BECAUSE we have done so. We have obeyed our Masters like good little Republicans, and we are reaping the fruits of that submission. We will NEVER be able to field good candidates as long as we keep submitting to the status quo. If we don’t say no to a blatant liberal like Romney, there is NO candidate so bad that we will not accept. We should have drawn the line a long time ago. It’s time now.
2. Romney will be presiding over a Congress that will (presumably) be Republican controlled. They have shown NO spine in standing up to an obvious communist. They will certainly not stand up to a leftist with an R after his name. Romney will appoint liberals and do other liberal things. He will NOT try to repeal Obamacare, and he will NOT turn this country around, or even TRY to. He will get whatever he wants from Congress, and it will be all BAD.
Argumentum ad incorruptum! (Arguing the perfect to deny the good!)
Facta non verba.
It it’s Obama, you get 4 more years of Obama. If it’s Romney, you get 8 years of Obama-Lite. Which is better? I predict we will get a record low turnout on BOTH sides this year. The choice is just too awful, either way.
Romney is another Obama. While he states he is against the dream act, he runs an ad in Spanish FOR the dream act.
There is enthusiasm about Newt that is being deliberately squelched.
I was thinking about the reason behind that. He has been VERY vocal concerning the Threat to Our Country being ISLAM; whereas, Cain and Romney were very soft on Islam and having Muslims on their staff.
>>We ought to give them what they are looking for.
Unfortunately, this is not in “our” power. The people we need are in dereliction of duty.
I think once the nominee emerges, the base will coalesce around him. Then it will become the typical contest won by the side that forges the biggest turnout. I am cautiously optimistic that the anti-Obama sentiment will outweigh the lackluster support for the Pub’s nominee, giving our side a narrow victory, after which the riots in OWS-ville will doubtless break out here & there.
It’ll be an Obama win by 5-7 points.
And with it will come the resurrection of the 10th Amendment and of Red states aggressively looking out for the interests of their conservative citizens.
We will NOT be forced into socialism. Not now, not ever. I would go so far as to say that the Left’s non-stop efforts to force socialism upon us is laying the foundation for rebellion and/or secession.
For my writings on federalism vist http://www.redstate.com/derkrieger/
Not a chance. I’m guessing the GOP candidate will take 290-300 electoral votes.
Remember this.
Dream on.
Many of us feel like Bulgaricus. We will NOT vote for Romney.
If Romney is the nominee, Obama wins.
Well, alright then. Get out your credit card and send Newt some $$. Or make calls for him. You can make a difference.
Money, money, money! What’s the address of Newt’s UN sustainable development PAC again? Is it the same as his Junior Space Ranger Fan Club? I’d love to send them something appropriate.
There is no Republican establishment, said the Republican establishment.
Thank you, again, for the uniquely penetrating depth of insightful analysis we’ve come to expect from you. And do say hi to Rove for me at the club, will you?
Rove? What a crock. Are we to forget that our country’s decline accelerated during his watch? Or would he have us believe he’s just an innocent by-stander, an honest broker toiling in the vineyard, working selflessly for Mitt Romney…er…the public good?
He’s part of the problem and his time is over.
Compassionate Conservatism gave rise to the “base” (Tea Party). Rove is the Dr. Frankenstien who is sniveling about the monster he helped to create. Can you say Rx prescription-giveaway? His relevance is fading as quick as FOX news viewership.
Do you mean that the “failure” of compassionate conservatism combined with the rise of a marxist president gave rise to the Tea Party? I think I would agree with that (I wouldn’t agree that the Tea Party was the natural follow-on to the compassionate conservative idea).
Really you could take Rove, Ed Rollins, Mary Matelin,L’il Dickie Morris and the rest of these beltway bloviators off to a desert island somewhere until after the election and we’d all a lot better off in my opinion. They’re political whores pimping off the dead carcass of statism while they mouth the conservative lingo.
Anne Coulter too.
Bravo!
This article represents exactly everything that is wrong with America…We The Elite People of culture of corruption in Washington DC holding on to carefully carved out slices of Washington DC’s pie for themsleves.
Mr. Rove represents exactly what is wrong with America’s political process…self proclaimed “king-makers” have so skewed American politics that what remains of a House of Representaives and Senate are dysfunctional and irrelevant.
Ergo a Tea Party organism. We The People are fearful of this gerrymandering of everything political in America. In the past 50 years,this has taken: 1)religion, 2)education, 3) governance and 4) financial sectors so far astray, that radical elements in American society have seized upon this wandering-meadering nomadic America for their own purposes, ends and goals.
Our Constitution, Declaration of Independence and Bill of Rights with the “Rule of Law” are what made America Exeptional, Great and a Leader.
We The People are NOT followers…We The People of the USofA are Leaders. As such, We The People of these USofA expect Our legislators to follow our lead, obey all Laws and do what’s in America’s interest, not We The Elite People of culture of corruption in Washington DC’s selfish, self-fulfilling interests. Karl Rove must go on an extended, much deserved, vacation. God Bless America. Amen.
Yeah, Rove needs a vacation….Maybe a nice relaxing fishing trip…He’s tired from all the heavy lifting he’s done on behalf of the republic, and could use a nap.
MMMMMM Rove sleeping with the fishes…thats a nice picture, huh?
I welcome a brokered convention and the ticket of Mark Levin and Rush Limbaugh. Heck, I’d even settle for Mark Levin and Laura Ingraham. Why limit our choices to politicians who didn’t run, if the current crop isn’t good enough then let’s expand the roster of candidates and really stir things up.
I embrace the chaos of a brokered convention because, even if we get Harding as the nominee, the chances are better that we get Coolidge as the VP.
I really wish Rove would go away. I’m sick to death of hearing him bloviate.
Yup. The man, more than anyone, who is responsible for this mess the US is in. He needs to just go away and shut up.
I sincerely doubt there would be a brokered convention. I think it would be a disaster for the Republican Party. And it would also be incredibly cruel to the men who had to endure the primary process, along with all of the debates and all of the voting, just to have the rug pulled out from under them and for the party to nominate a new candidate. That would be horrific in the extreme and would basically say that all the voting and all the campaigning was done for nothing, and that the will of the people through voting ment, in the end, nothing. I don’t think our country could withstand that.
A “contested” convention is a different story. If nobody has enough delegates going into the convention, then deals will have to be made so that somebody will get enough delegates. Maybe that’s why Romney and Paul are getting so cozy together. Maybe, together, they make one candidate. At that point, Newt and Santorum would have to pool their delegates and see if it gives them enough to defeat Romney. It could get messy, but at least it’s a lot cleaner than throwing out the votes and all the primaries that had taken place before the convention. I think the solution will be found on where we’re going with this on Super Tuesday in March. After that, we’ll see if it’s Romney or a mess on our hands. Something tells me it’s going to be a mess.
Bottom line, its a mess because the candidates SUCK.
I hate Democrats, but THIS is the best my party can produce in these critical times?
WTF?
Yep, and a big reason for this is that we have ALLOWED the Establishment to continually give us horrible candidates. We have obediently lined up and pulled the lever for the R candidate in election after election, because they told us that we simply CAN’T allow the D to win.
In this case, we’d be better off with the D.
The traitor within is always more dangerous. Look at how often “moderate” Republicans have caved in at crucial moments. (Trent Lott, Bill Frist, Arlen Specter, John McCain, etc., etc. ad nauseum.)
The only thing we CAN count on is that they will stab us in the back.
You left out the worst of that lot: George W. Bush.
Karl who?
“The viable candidates are not fiscally conservative enough for our preference, but all importantly, the candidates are not fiscally conservative enough to halt decline.”
If a fiscally conservative candidate is what you really really really want, then Ron Paul is the one. As much as I dislike his foreign policy views, he has the economic/fiscal views that will halt the decline at once.
Alas, Republicans aren’t fiscal conservatives – only social.
The Tea Party has shown themselves to be a farce – first lining up behind a Progressive who cozied up Pelosi on a couch and attacked a very modest spending reduction as “Right Wing Social Engineering”, then in favor of a guy who is basically GWB on fiscal policy, but Pat Bucannan on social policy.
Jeremy: Don’t confuse the goals of the movement with the actions of carpet baggers. The “leaders” you properly condemn as farcical no more represent the TEA Party movement than do PJM “candidates” represent you.
Trang is right! Rove & his ilk are more than worthless. Hell will freeze over before I vote for Romney or any other of these GOP establishment pukes. Who did they give us? Ford, Dole, McCain-just wonderful winner conservatives like this. If Mitt gets the nod, I’m writing in someone. No more using me as a dupe for Rove & his buddies. After W what did we end up with? A demoralized party that would not fight back & full of cowards. I wouldn’t give 1 cent to the GOP or anyone else. I’m going w/ the most conservative candidate period. Enough of this claptrap from Newt & his gang!
If the Republican Party were a well managed business…the leadership would have seen all this coming just after the mid-terms. If we see that 60% of the party do not approve of Romney, a good manager would have gathered the highest councils and sent emissaries to the aggrieved parties to say, “What do we need to do to keep you on board and take a winner into 2012?” Simple enough, eh? It is what any good leader would do to maintain a viable coalition, isn’t it? Does anyone see evidence that this sort of management wisdom has been employed? Romney and the Establishment Republicans could have gotten in front of the Tea Party early on. This entire mess could have been avoided, why wasn’t it? I am re-reading Codevilla’s “America’s Ruling Class”, and I would recommend it to everyone. The Tea Party became an enormous threat to the Plutocratic Ruling Class, the two-headed Leviathan that has ruled American politics realized that figures like Sarah Palin would not only attack Democrats. These figures must be destroyed, even if it meant exposing the fact that both heads are joined at Wall Street. So…they took our work and enthusiasm, and now marginalize us for 2012. It would seem that having ‘core values’ in 2010, is now the equivalent of being an ‘inflexible ideologue’.
When the rulers of major institutions make diplomatic errors of this magnitude, they must deal with very high levels of animosity, perforce.
I am really tired of seeing and hearing Rove. A brokered onventiopn would find a candidate which represents me as much as any of the current candidates. I don’t agree with the primary scheduling small states with only a zealous few voting. The only way a primary could function would be if they were all held on the same day and had larger percentages of the population voting. I am really tired of hearing about “the base” The far right religious fundamentalists have bulldosed their way to control of the Republican party. I don’t think they are representative of the party members and I am very much opposed to their social issues.
enthusiasm would be huge for Palin…
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Palin-Our-Brokered-Convention-Selection/219407098154932?ref=tn_tnmn
That PJM is finally willing to itemize the inevitable failures of Misters R,S,G means those failures have long been evident to those lacking the faithful’s confirmation bias, namely independent votes in a general election where party affiliation is at all time lows.
Perhaps it is that same confirmation bias that precludes some from recognizing the only Reagan Republican already in the race. For there is only one fiscal conservative whose economic plan will actually reduce our national debt. There is only one pro-life Republican aligned with the legacy of Jefferson and Reagan on issues of foreign policy. There is only one Republican candidate that will actively dismantle the machinery of the federal bureaucracy rather than expand it. The one whose supporters celebrated the anniversary of the Boston Tea Party in 2007 and spawned a grass roots movement that won a 2010 Republican majority in the House of Representatives.
That PJM is finally recognizing the value of McCotter’s contribution to the party discourse is encouraging. Perhaps PJM will now also recognize the only Republican candidate whose record is consistent with both its stated goals of the party and the history it claims to revere.
“Establishment” – def; the people who actually win elections.
… as opposed, you know, to the people who just blog about how conservative they are, and complain about how everything was “fixed” when their candidate loses.
Here is the bottom line: if we have a brokered convention we will lose. We’ll be broke (at the end of August, no less) and fractured from fighting amongst each other for so long and over such high stakes. Sounds like a great plan.
The liberal media and a few self promoters on the right are pushing a lot of this garbage. I think we’ve had a good field all along. There is no General Eisenhower or other towering figure to step up and be awarded the nomination. There are 4 guys left. I will support whoever is left standing and no one else from the Republican Party.