Glenn Beck’s Strong Support of Israel
In Prime Minister Netanyahu’s 1999 book A Durable Peace he writes:
If there had been a Jewish state in the first half of the century, there would have been no holocaust. And if there had not been a Jewish state after the holocaust, there would have been no Jewish future. The state of Israel is not only the repository of the millennial Jewish hopes for redemption; it is also the one practical instrument for assuring Jewish survival.
One would be hard-pressed to disagree with the prime minister’s assertion. Therefore, one could easily argue that promoting and defending the Jewish state is the single greatest act that a person could do to advance Judaism.
Thus, it is abundantly clear that labeling Glenn Beck an anti-Semite is a disgusting falsehood. But that is exactly what Dana Milbank of the Washington Post did when he recently called Beck “the leading purveyor of anti-Semitic memes in the mass media.” Milbank might as well have said this about Dennis Prager or Alan Dershowitz, the charge is so utterly baseless. Calling Glenn Beck an anti-Semite is like calling Abraham Lincoln anti-American or Barack Obama anti-welfare state. As one of the most outspoken defenders of Israel in the media and politics, Beck is not only on the right side of history — defending the lone democracy in a sea of despotism — he is also helping ensure the survival of Judaism.
For the last several months Beck has been out in front unflinchingly supporting the tiny Jewish state against the venom of the anti-Israel left and the Nazi-esque Islamists. Beck has literally devoted dozens of hours of his radio and television programs to defending Israel in the court of public opinion.
When five members of a Jewish family, including three children, were massacred, Beck delivered this heartfelt tribute.
When the Israeli military defended itself against pipe-wielding terrorists on the flotilla a year ago, Beck was a bulwark against the reactionary blame-Israel-first media.
During Passover, Beck staged a seder on his Fox News set, and educated his audience about the meaning and metaphors of this important Jewish holiday.
During another show, Beck told his audience:
Israel must have our support, and I’m not talking about military support; I’m saying they must have our support as a people. They have a right to survive, and to be free from extermination, and the people who want to vaporize them. They have a right to defend themselves. Will Americans stand up and say that? [Israel has] a right to hold on to the land taken as a buffer zone between them and the people who want to kill them. … Thats the support they deserve, the support they have earned and the support that is required.
One could argue that aside from Benjamin Netanyahu, Beck — with the third most listened to radio show in America and a media empire rivaled by few — is the most prominent and visible defender of Israel in the world. In August, Beck is hosting a pro-Israel rally in Jerusalem, to bring attention and support to the Jewish state.
He is doing all this while America is going through one of the worst economic recessions in her history; a time when most citizens are focused on jobs and the deficit, not international relations. He has also done this at a time of great hardship for Israel, as the Jewish state is more isolated than ever. America, under the leadership of President Obama, has changed from a stalwart defender of Israel to a lukewarm friend at best. Israel continues to be the only country in the world that is regularly threatened with annihilation. In addition, Israel is singled out for condemnation and boycotts at the UN and at countless universities.
At a time such as this, Glenn Beck’s unwavering support of Israel is so precious, that to call him an anti-Semite is not only wrong, it is evil. And for a Jew, calling Beck anti-Semitic is suicidal.
Glenn Beck should be praised in the Jewish community, not ridiculed. If you are Jewish and you despise Glenn Beck, then Judaism is clearly not very important to you. I’m not saying that Beck is perfect, or that I agree with all of his political positions. However, if one’s priority is the protection and advancement of Judaism, then that person should thank Glenn Beck for his devotion to the state of Israel. For, as Prime Minister Netanyahu wrote in A Durable Peace, “In simple terms, the future of the Jewish people depends on the future of the Jewish state.”
Hear Hear
Glen Beck is a “Righteous Gentile among the nations.” He is an example of what is noble and good in people.
Beck is a virulent anti-Semite. All the names he calls for the head of (Sunstein, Soros, Emmanuel, Axelrod, Ginsberg) are Jews. He’s a Nazi wolf in “I love Israel” sheep’s clothing. Sure, he loves Israel. Just so long as when it blows up – all the Jews there convert to Christianity. In private, I’m sure he’s a Holocaust denier. Putting your faith in a charlatan like this – you ought just get a tattoo on your fore head that says: STUPID.
so you are American last-got it.
Keep calling them like ya see them GB!
Nicely put.
Heartily agree. Please send this to Peter Wehner @ Commentary and Jennifer Rubin @ Wash Post. Instead of supporting him and correcting him when they felt it necessary, they piled on with the left wing haters.
Glenn Beck is a real mensch – a real human being – would love to go in August.
John Hagee also is a real stand-up guy, as are the ICEJ (International Christian Embassy in Jerusalem) folks.
It’s very encouraging to have such friends and we know from the book of Daniel such golden-hearted people will shine like the stars forever.
Glenn Beck makes the human race look good.
Menachem Ben Yakov: I agree! He is a descent man and I’m going to miss him. He tries so hard to educate his listeners and constantly encourages them to do their own reading/studying, and not to take his word for it. He supports Israel with every breath he takes, to the peril of his own safety and the abuse of the msm.
To Lovely Earth: (misnomer if there ever was one) That is the most ignorant post I have ever read! Your “housemaid” Guadalupe – it tells me all that I need to know about you!
LovelyEarth is a satire, though I realize it’s difficult to tell the difference between a parody and the real thing these days.
Goldi, what do you mean, “miss him”? Haven’t you heard about his new enterprise, GBTV? Get over to http://www.gbtv.com and get yourself signed up!
I, for one, am glad about this development. FOX has been cramping him, I think. For one thing, one of the biggest shareholders in NewsCorp, the parent of FOX, is Prince Al-Waleed bin Talal of Saudi Arabia, who has given money to CAIR, the Ground Zero mosque, and other bad stuff. You’re not going to hear the truth about Saudi Arabia on FOX. I don’t know if Glenn will use his new independence from FOX to tackle the issue, but I sure hope he does, since Saudi Arabia is the cause of many of our problems.
The people who call Glenn Beck Anti Jewish are raving loons.
Thank you for going on the record. No matter what we do, the left will always resort to lies to move their cause ahead. We must continue to call them on it and tell the truth. You have done that here with clarity.
God Bless Israel and God Bless Glen Beck.
As a Christian who supports Israel I am often confused about American Jews and their relation to Israel. May I ask two questions in all sincerity? I intend no offense to anyone.
Obviously, there are religious Jews. Is it true to say that all of them do not support Israel?
Clearly there are so-called cultural Jews who do not practice their religion. Do most of them support Israel?
” Obviously, there are religious Jews. Is it true to say that all of them do not support Israel?
Clearly there are so-called cultural Jews who do not practice their religion. Do most of them support Israel? ”
The overwhelming majority of Jews, religious or nonreligious, support Israel.
It is however those who don’t who get the most press attention. The reason is obvious. The press pushes the opinions they themselves favor. It is easy to see how someone could get confused. That after all is the desired effect.
It is true the vast majority of American Jew support Israel, but you can make some generalizations based on the stream of Judaism.
I would divide American Jews into three categories:
Conservative, Reform and secular make one category. They are mostly liberal democrats. They support Israel, but sometimes get caught up the lunacy of the left.
Then there are the modern Orthodox Jews. They are much more conservative than the first category, and they overwhelmingly support Israel.
Finally there are the Ultra-orthodox Jews. I’m not sure where they stand politically in the USA. They are sometimes anti – Israel, though they certainly visit often if they can.
Harris Tweed, the answers to your questions are: Yes it is true that some religious Jews do not support Israel, and No, most cultural Jews who do not practice their religious do not support Israel.
Read “Why Jews are Liberal” by Norman Podhoretz for a history of anti-semitism and an explanation for the above answers. Dennis Prager has written extensively about this also. He can be read at Townhall.com and other websites.
Thank you for the references.
Millions of religious Jews support Israel. The only religious Jews that don’t support Israel are the members of a group called Nueterei Karta that number less than a thousand people.
Jewish culture calls for eating kosher food and sabbath observance.
What aspects of Jewish culture do you refer to? What makes someone a, ” cultural Jew “?
What makes a ‘secular jew’?? From my own observation of such in-laws, support for the Democratic Party, allied with a belief that anyone NOT Democratic is by definition ‘anti-semitic.’
I think he was using “cultural Jews” in the same sense as many Bible following Christians use the term “cultural Christians” to refer to people whose parents or grandparents may have been Christians, so they consider themselves to be Christians, because they haven’t declared themselves to be anything else.
The Weltanschaung of “cultural Christians” usually isn’t very Biblical, since they often accept the prevailing philosophies of society rather than Biblical teachings on subjects like creation, salvation, prophesies like Daniel, etc.
Jews are an ethnoreligious group and not just a religious group like Christians and Muslims. Judaism = the religion of Judea, that is the Jewish religion was named after the Jewish people and not vise versa, so the meaning of the word ‘Jew’ isn’t just someone who follows the Jewish religion as Christian is to Christianity or Buddhist to Buddhism. Jews were considered a nation throughout our history. It’s only the rise of ultra-nationalism in Europe that turned it into a problem, supposedly a nation within a nation and therefore “necessarily” a bunch of traitors, no matter how hard they tried to prove their loyalty. Today it’s quite common to have ethnic minorities. Back in the day it was only the Jews and Roma.
A Jew is a physical or a spiritual descendant of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, that is someone who is either born to Jewish parents or becomes a part of the Jewish people through converting to the Jewish religion. It’s different from the European definition of a nation since the Europeans mostly recognized only physical descendants (the European modern concept of a nation eveolved partly as a way to solve the problem of religious wars, while the Jewish people goes back to ancient times when each nation had its own religion and these were not clearly separate concepts), but that’s how it’s been for thousands of years. There is evidence for it even in the Bible.
The Jews (= Judeans) were, of course, just part of the Israelite people, also known as Hebrews. They didn’t start out as only a religion, but as a distinct nation who had its homeland, its distinct language, its kings and leaders, its coins, habits and history, who was later expelled from its homeland, but managed to keep its identity to a significant degree, considering the circumstances, throughout centureis in the diaspora. Of course, religion was very central in the life on the nation, but my point is you don’t stop being a Jew if you can’t believe in god. The Jews living today share common spiritual and partly physical ancestry, common history, an ancestral language, common heritage, and a particular consciousness that evolved from the same fountain of heritage and history, similar experiences in the diaspora, and relations between the different communities.
This is far clearer if you live in Israel since then you live in your ancestral homeland and speak Hebrew as your day to day language. You can read Hebrew literature and poetry from different centuries, if you know Yiddish you can read it too since it uses the Hebrew alphabet, you use Jewish memes and proverbs, draw from Jewish experience and history, tell Jewish jokes, listen to Jewish music, eat Jewish food, respond with Jewish expressions (“oy vay” is the most well known abroad, but there are many others), celebrate Jewish holidays, many of which have also a national or historical and not just a religious significance (Purim doesn’t even have any presence of god or miracles in it). There is a Jewish way of doing things. For instance, it’s not a coincidence that Jews are over-represented in the fields of science and technology and Israel as a state is also over-represented in these fields. There is what most Jews recognize as a set of core Jewish values. Some of them, such as the sanctity of life and the importance of education, are accepted by all Jews, and others may differ greatly between different Jews (for instance liberal Jews and conservative Jews), but the point is they relate to the same sources of reference, that is Jews who claim their values rely on Jewish values can point to their sources in Jewish scriptures, history or customs, even if they argue among themselves about different emphases and different interpretations.
This isn’t the same as cultural Christians because Christians were never a nation. They never called themselves nor have been called by others ‘am’ (in Hebrew a people, a nation) as in Am Yisrael. They don’t have an ancestral homeland. They don’t have an ancestral language, nor a common language outside the religious context (that is unlike Latin) like Yiddish and Ladino used to be, and like Hebrew is again for many Jews. Nor is there Christian music that isn’t religious music. There are French folk songs and Spanish folk songs and Jewish folk songs, but not Christian folk songs. Of course, there are some similarities because atheists of Christian background do have a common heritage with Christians, but the rest is more similar to the Roma, though they weren’t a distinct nation, but they were expelled from their homeland and they preserve their identity for centuries in the diaspora. They also have their own language and other characteristics.
Some Orthodox Jews have such resentment for secular Jews that you’d like to de-Judaize us, rob us of our Jewish identity, but even your rabbis recognize me as a Jew. Not that it’ll cahnge anything if one day they won’t.
Great answer!
Most people won’t read it though because it is not a sound bite.
The word Jew comes from Jacobs fourth son, Yehuda ( Judah ), it was not until the 5th century BCE that the word Jew was applied to all. The root of the word Yehuda is hoda’ah which means to acknowledge, in this case, acknowledge
G-d.
And in order to be a Jew both parents need not be Jewish, only the mother.
The modern Zionist movement was founded by secular Jews as a natioanl liberation movement. Part of the religious Jews joined. Most of the founders of the state of Israel who built this country were socialists. The people who died of malaria while drying the swamps were mostly secular Jews. So were the people defending Israel from Arab aggression. For a long time the majority of Jews in the diaspora supported Israel. I think today many secular Jews in the diaspora don’t care one way or the other. Until, of course, they have to leave their country due to a rise in antisemitism (in certain countries in Europe and Latin America).
I think many of them are both ignorant and confused. What they hear about Israel in college and increasingly in the media is earily similar to what you’d hear about Israel in the Soviet academia and media, but they can’t recognize the similarities because they don’t study Soviet propaganda. If they did they would also see the similarities between what some of their lefty professors say about the US and what the Soviets used to say about the US. Now this is a project befitting Glenn Beck. I can think of no one else who would do it.
What I find so disgusting and hypocritical about Obama and his minions is that they are ALWAYS so “concerned” about minority rights, whether they are gays, blacks, hispanics, or Muslims. But I guess they can’t find time to help and protect probably the most vulnerable minority of them all, the Jews. Oh sure, Obama will take their money and pay lip service to their cause, but when the rubber hits the road and actions count the most, Obama is pro-Muslim all the way. And in being pro-Muslim, he is selling out the Jews AND Israel. To do this to the only viable democracy in the Middle East is not only disgusting, it is just plain wrong and goes against everything this country stands for. Why liberal Jews in this country still support Obama is a mystery to me, unless these American Jews are not that dedicated to the survival of Israel. Shame on them if this is the case.
Obama is increasing aid to Israel to $3.0 billion for FY 2011.
Most of the $3billion falls under the following-
” Roughly 26 percent of what Israel receives in Foreign Military Financing (FMF) can be spent in Israel for military procurement. From FY1988 to FY 1990, Israel was allowed to use $400 million in Israel. From FY1991 to FY1998, the amount was increased to $475 million. As U.S. military aid to Israel increased, according to the agreement to cut economic aid, the amout set aside for defense purchases in Israel has increased (but the percentage has remained roughly the same). In 2009, the figure was $671 million. The remaining 74 percent of FMF was spent in the United States to generate profits and jobs. More than 1,000 companies in 47 states, the District of Columbia and Puerto Rico have signed contracts worth billions of dollars through this program. ”
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/US-Israel/foreign_aid.html
It’s been $3 billion for a while now. We give the same to Egypt. It was our price for Israel to give back the Sanai Peninsula and the peace treaty.
We also pretty much confiscate every one of Israels inventions and intellecual property. We get waaaay more from them then they get from us.
And remember, the money is given by Congress, NOT Obama. Thank heavens Congress is still, generally, pro-Israel. But I’m sure if Obama held the purse strings Israel would get nothing, or at least he would use the money to blackmail Israel into doing what it doesn’t want to do, which is go back to its 1967 borders. Fortunately, we have enough people of conscience in Congress who will stand up to that pro-Islamist in the White House.
To call Glenn Beck “the leading purveyor of anti-Semitic memes in the mass media” is absurd.
I listen to Glenn Beck frequently on the radio. I also read Dana Milbank’s article linked here. The only conclusions I can come to is that a) Milbank does not ever listen to Glenn Beck, b) Milbank does listen to Glenn Beck but has a serious comprehension problem, or c) Milbank is simply a liberal who likes to label conservatives as “hateful” and then misrepresent anything they say to prove to their liberal audience how awful conservatives are. Either way, Milbank needs professional help.
All of the above.
My kid is doing a project on the Warsaw Ghetto and I was explaining to her the difference between the Judenrat and the fighters and then we got on to Righteous Gentiles. We really should appreciate them.
David, There are more Righteous Gentiles than you can imagine, and any TRUE CHRISTIAN cannot love Yesuah, and hate the Jewish people, often i get sick when i see a Jew on a movie wearing a cross, and Cursing every thing that is Holy to us ”Born again” Christians, and the same Jewish will wear the cross and Utter words that is painful to my very soul,…I know where it all comes from, but i can only pray for that entire crowd, ”The Hollywood Elite”Aa Messiah prayed from the cross, ”Father forgive them, [the jew] for they do not know what they do”, You can see another comment below that reinforces this comment….YHWH bless every son and daughter of Abraham, Issac, and Jacob…I love you all in the name of Yeshua, Jesus…
WHAT A JOKE!! I tuned into Beck’s radio program about a month ago, just to see if I could stomach his insanity, and I regurgitated onto the steering wheel of my Saab. Not only is Beck a clasic-case racist, homophobe, sexist, and transgender/bi/multi-sexual hater, but he’s pulling the wool over everyone’s eyes that he’s “for” Israel. He’s a christian zealot, so how in Gaia’s good name could he support Israel? The Jews murdered his christ! And your logic once again defies reality: if Beck were for “peace and love”, why would he be supporting a regime that oppresses and murders the rightful owners of Palestine? Talk about a holocaust…the Israelis are the biggest perpetrators of murder and oppression since Reagan. My former housemaid, Guadalupe, tried to talk to me about how it’s so “unfair” that people “pick” on the Jews. While I respect and tolerate everyone’s opinions and right to free speech, I told her she was way out of line. I also canned her on the spot. People need to start taking a bold stand on the Middle East Jewish question.
Never has ignorance been revealed so clearly. Get a library card. Then use it.
And if your maid sues you, as she should for the hateful and illegal way you dismissed her, I hope her attorney is a Jew.
I’m a little surpised at you. First, you show your racist character by telling me that you hope a “Jew” lawyer sues me. How stereotypical! I mean, I know that most every good lawyer here in NYC is of Jewish blood, but it’s still a racist – if accurate – statement. And why are you so upset? I’m standing up for you and your Palestinian brethren! What area of the Middle East does the name “Menachem” come from? Saudi? Anyway, be proud of who you are! Stop brown nosing to the Jewish Elite! And join us to end the Gaza blockade!
One torpedo worth ten thousand words.
Id love to see that
Menachem is a HEBREW word/name. Hebrew is the language of the Hebrew people. It’s not Arabic (or any other Semitic language). Contrary to the belief of many though, Israel also gave us Jesus Christ (Yeshua ha Moschiach if you prefer). Jesus wasn’t some hippy-look alike skinny white dude, but a swarthy skinned Jewish carpenter.
Glenn Beck though, for all of his good support of Israel is a member of a cult . If you do a little research of Mormonism, you will find it has more in common with Mohammedism (an archaic name for Islam) than Christianity. Mormonism has changed its teachings numerous times to allow Utah to be brought into the United States as a state. Some Mormons still practice the cult’s teachings as they were originally (and run afoul of the law for it). I doubt everyone would be cheering for Mr. Beck if they knew that Joseph Smith once threatened to turn America into a sea of blood from one ocean to the other and that he cheered Mohammed and what he called ‘the Alcoran’ (an Americanized corruption of ‘Al-Quran’.
Do be careful whom you pat on the back my friends.
LovelyEarth, your post is so rich, on so many levels, but I will address your statement: “He’s a christian zealot, so how in Gaia’s good name could he support Israel? The Jews murdered his christ!”
Firstly, Beck is a Mormon (“Christian zealot” really doesn’t apply).
Secondly, Gaia/earth goddess is a myth.
Thirdly, Israel is the apple of God’s eye and whoever comes against Israel will suffer God’s wrath (see Zechariah 2:8-9). As for the Jews having “murdered” Christ, this was the plan of God in order that gentiles would would have an opportunity to repent and come to know the One, True and Living God of all creation.
I highly recommend reading the entire chapter of Romans in the New Testament. It will show you how the gentile believers were “grafted” into the “vine”. I read it when I was 31 years old (32 years ago) and came to a knowledge of the Truth and was saved.
Until that time, LovelyEarth, I could have been your sister. My belief system was much like yours.
Well said, Janlyn. And Christ was a Jew, as was Peter and all of His disciples.
The “Jews” did not kill Jesus! Geebus!!! If the Jews had done it they would have done it in the light of day but the leaders had to do it at night to avoid the wrath of the Jewish people. If you think the Jews did it by refusing to free Jesus instead of a murderer all you have to do is look at the loud, not insignificant, minority that exists in every society that shows sympathy for the devil (check any death row in prison especially Mumia Abu-Jamal). Also, did you see how the unions worked in Minnesota? Don’t be surprised about astroturf existing even back then. It’s part of the human psyche I think. Or a plan to show our inability to work when isolated from Him.
What I really believe is that even a prejudiced, confused and misinformed person with the Progressive herd mentality stuck on full throttle could not possibly write such a bizarrely illuminating, even self-parodying, post as has LovelyEarth; this must be either a put-on or somebody trying to just misdirect the reader from the true perspective of his thinking while at the same time getting some seemingly secondary point across – for instance, an Islamicist who might think posing as a typical suburban granola Progressive would give more credence to their anti-Israel position. References to Beck, Gaia, environmentalism and the story of how “Guadalupe, tried to talk to me about how it’s so “unfair” that people “pick” on the Jews. While I respect and tolerate everyone’s opinions and right to free speech, I told her she was way out of line. I also canned her on the spot,” are so over the top that if they are genuine, this person is beyond hopeless. Even to try to address what he or she said, point by point, would be pointless, like trying to penetrate a wall of ignorance made of three feet of steel-reinforced concrete. LovelyEarth, to you I say: you are either dreadfully deceitful or incredibly ignorant about the topic that you have just addressed. If the latter, please educate yourself before commenting again.
Hello? DaFrank? What are you rambling about? Are you Jewish or something? Listen, here’s my main point: there’s nothing I can’t stand more than a bunch Arabs/Palestinians/Code Pinker’s who are engaged in rabid self-hatred. There are millions of Americans who support the Palestian cause! Why would any self-respecting Arab-Americans vote republican and side against his/her/transgender-he-she Palestians brethren? You never see American Jews do that. I follow the teachings of Medea Benjamin very closely on this issue.
Well, I guess that settles which of the two possibilities I last postulated. And a lovely example of put-on it is. Please though, next time don’t be quite as convincing; if not for your Guadelupe and maybe one other reference, I would not necessarily have caught on, because, believe it or not, what separates satire and craven left-wing advocacy is usually too small a gap for most people to perceive.
Lovely Earth —please send my deepest regards to your comrade Dr Lumplevin
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now moved to FB
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“LovelyEarth” seems to almost be a parody of the worst qualities we find in the left today. They harbor double standards when it comes to minorities (everyone is an oppressed and discriminated against minority while Jews are NOT. It is almost a requirement to harbor antisemitic views to be in touch with the left.) The left also seems to support islam- a racist and supremacist ideology and system of tyranny as well as ‘religion’ that subjugates women and calls for genocide against the Jews ‘wherever you find them.’
You outdid yourself with this one:
“Why would any self-respecting Arab-Americans vote republican and side against his/her/transgender-he-she Palestians brethren? You never see American Jews do that. I follow the teachings of Medea Benjamin very closely on this issue.”
Each line is a punchline. Though it’s really your normal standard, but that one hurt, so it made me laugh harder.
Your #13 was brilliant. We need a good laugh every once in a while in these bleak days or we’ll go insane.
Readers, please get a grip and read LovelyEarth’s post more carefully. There are numerous hints in there that it is written tongue deeply in cheek. Without some sort of icon to indicate humor it can be difficult to pick up subtieties, but not this time.
The tongue is definitely somewhere. Cheek is debatable.
Menachem, I think LovelyEarth’s entire HEAD is in the place you’re thinking. How it FITS there, I have no clue.
You really are very good at this but I think you’re slipping. You can usually get all the libtard talking points into a few pithy sentences – this time you used a lengthy paragraph. EGAD!
Do you also post under your real opinions or would that be letting the cat out of the bag?
To everyone else – LovelyEarth is yanking your chain. This person is a master satirist who is openly mocking libtards. Problem is, no matter how OUTRAGOUS he/she is, there are real libtards out there than can outdo him/her.
Wait … I thought you had a Mercedes … or do you have both a Saab and a Mercedes? Just checking. I like to keep my facts straight.
If you want to get me riled, this kind of sick perverted lies does it…Allow me to explain, The Jews did not kill the ”Christian” God, I want every person reading this to clearly understand this most important part of history…My Christian Messiah laid down His life to be the Atonement for the sins of the whole world…The tool that was used was the Roman Rulers, This death and suffering was clearly told in the book of Isaiah, chapter 53, the entire chapter is about the suffering Messiah from birth of a virgin mother, to the death on the cross….yes thousands of old testament verses will firm this up, and the Christian can only thank the Sons and Daughters of Abraham, Issac, and Jacob,for the Word of G-d, or the old testament…
Yeshua, [jesus] said he was the Sacrificial Lamb of G-d THAT WAS SLAIN BEFORE THE FOUNDATIONS OF THIS WORLD To remove the curse of G-d upon an entire planet of people,Messiah knew that He had to Redeem fallen humanity, so this was His Plan, …The shedding of innosient blood to atone for the sins of the whole world……So as we can see YHWH knew that Adam would fall, so long before the creation of the world was formed, a sacrificial blood offering was being prepared to reedeem fallen humanity, Remember that the fig leaves Adam and Eve used….not acceptable, But what was acceptable was the blood of an animal that was slain as their ”COVERING”for their sin of rebellion….thus even Adam, His Atonement was provided for…Any true Christian cannot hate a jew[ish], and please YHWH,….Not possible…I worked for the jewish people when i was a young man , in and around the north berbs of Chicago, and often times i wanted to think ”what a rotten fellow”, but i would go and just say G-d bless you brother Jew….”I will bless them that bless you ”the jew” and i will curse them that curse you…do i want to be cursed by YHWH…..naw, not really. I have been materially blessed beyond belief, and it was a precious jewish man that allowed me to become very well off…He and another Jewish man started the [$$$$ depot], no names, but They created more millionaries in this world than any other company….G-D bless you Berney….Friends. if that little strip of land called Israel needs my help to defend it , jimi will be there….Sholam, and bless every one of you People of the Book, [the bible]
@13 LovelyEarth
“…I also caned her on the spot.”
What spot would that be?
“Out damned spot!” ?
Glenn Beck doesn’t support Israel because he loves Jews. In fact some of the most virulent anti-Semites are pro-Israel.
And besides, Beck has cited Nazi symps and anti-Semites like Eustace Mullins and Elizabeth Dilling. He has never apologized for this. So maybe he should take a look in the mirror.
“defending the lone democracy in a sea of despotism”
What’s funny is that US and Israel helps keep it this way by propping up dictators and demonizing pro-democracy movements as scary nationalists or Islamists.
Democracy requires freedom of religion like a fish needs water.
Please read about the Weimar Republic and the Russian revolution of 1917. Yes, there are some secular or religiously moderate, “liberal” and democratic-minded people in many Arab countries pushing the “Arab Spring” phenomenom, just as there were in 1930′s Germany and 1910′s Russia, but they and a $1.40 won’t buy you a cup of coffee at a Damascus Starbucks. These well meaning few people, maybe many thousands in number, can never by themselves displace the Arab strongmen ruling their countries, but they can very well offer cover for the Muslim Brotherhood and various like-minded Islamicist organizations with their very large and committed and even fanatical membership, para-military power, clear goals, careful planning, money and political clout to take over as the ruling class following a short, immediately co-opted period of Kabuki-like faux democratic electioneering. See Egypt for the first of many examples. Your most likely well meaning but naive faith in these Arab “pro-democracy movements” would be touching were it not for the nearly ineviatble results of their endgames. In the future, perhaps Arab Muslim dominated societies may yet make the transition to liberal democracy, as did Turkey at one time (although even this seems now to be unraveling), but it seems pretty obvious that this is not now that time.
So typical, conflating a noxious, recently developed ideology (Zionism), with an ancient, relatively benign religion (Judaism). Give the planet a break.
I will not feed the troll. I will not feed the troll. I will not feed…..
Come on….is this LovelyEarth again? Yeah, probably not. This one smells just a little too sincere, without even a trace of irony, except for its possible implication in the poster’s name itself, which might either refer to his location or the famous Syndrome that affects so much of the economically and culturally bullied West. The whole “anti-Zionism is not anti-Semiticism” meme is really true – for about 5% of the people espousing it; the other 95% are simply overwhelmingly uninformed or expressing that same old evil prejudice, updated for post-Holocaust sensabilities, as did their grandparents, or both. Which group are you in, Stockholmer?
It’s just fantastic how you can’t tell the difference between the real thing and the parody anymore. The nickname “stockholmer” made me doubt too, but my bet he/she is really a Swede since this is the mainstream “opinion” there. LovelyEarth is a parody though.
And, if I may, I would add: please support Beck’s new plans with his GBTV.
And follow his rally in Jerusalem this next summer.
I hate to say this, but lately I’ve considered bumping Beck up just slightly ahead of Rush. I’ve missed very few of Glenn’s tv shows since I dvr them and that’s the first thing I watch after getting home from work.
Glenn’s a great American, loves our country, loves Israel and is very willing to get involved. I too, wish I could go to Israel in August, but can’t (or more truthfully, won’t. I don’t want to spend that much money on that trip right now). I checked on the trip early after his announcement and was glad to see that the higher priced packages were already sold out, so I hope it is very well attended. Whether we attend or not, we do need to stand with Israel, we will be on the right side of history and on the right side of God.
I did join up with Glenn’s new GBTV and I think that it will be great, two hours in the evening instead of one, I would encourage all that love our country, conservatism and Beck to help him out in his new venture.
Glen is way ahead of Rush in that Glen does not just speak the truth, but puts his life on the line for it. May God bless him and God bless and protect Israel!
Glen Beck is unique: who else has ever ever explained what a ‘seder’ is, on national TV??? Who else has caused millions of Americans to read, actually read, the Constitution and the Federalist Papers??
As a frustrated teacher, lemme tell you, I have so much respect for that man!
Beck frames the discourse in ethical and spiritual terms, Rush in ideological terms.
Beck is able to analyze the big picture (SSoros, the elitists, the internationalist subversives, the islamic supremacists), Rush sees only the day-to-day political battles.
They are both important, but we couldn’t save the Republic without Beck (or:someone like Beck.)
The totalitarians know it, hence the lies and the hatred.
Sherab, well understood and said. Good for you!
Sammy,
You are right on the money concerning Glenn Beck and his position on Israel! My wife and I plan to attend his rally in Jerusalem. Thank God for people like Allen West, Michele Bachmann and Sarah Palin who are not ashamed to stand with us!
Unfortunately, guys, there are others who don’t think that Glenn Beck is the friend of the Jews and supporter of Israel as he claims to be. Courtesy of the Jewish Internet Defense Force…
http://www.thejidf.org/2010/07/video-glenn-beck-jews-killed-jesus.html
http://www.thejidf.org/2010/05/glenn-beck-forum-israel-did-911.html
http://www.thejidf.org/2011/06/glenn-beck-hates-jews.html
And maybe they have some legitimate reasons.
Thanks to the Washington Post, I now know that we have never been at war with Eastasia.
My heritage is Jewish and I’m so grateful to Beck for his courageous, outspoken support of Jews and Israel, at a time when both are behind the eight ball.
Day after day, Beck is doing such an incredible public service for world Jewry, every Jew should be prepared to take a bullet for him. My only quibble with Beck is that he once dismissed Geert Wilders as a far-right extremist. Surprising to hear him say that, since I consider both men to be stalwart, principled supporters of Jews and Israel (and Western civilization in general) in the face of an onslaught by Islamists and the hard left.
Bill O’Reilly jokingly referred to Beck as “Moses” when the latter announced his plans to hold a rally in Jerusalem. The interesting thing is … it’s no joke! He’s as good a candidate for the role as anyone alive.
The only reason Glenn was bashed in the article, is because he exposes George Soros.
I speculate there are two reasons Beck is accused of antisemitism of all things:
1. To discredit and delegitimize his pro-Israel rally. That in itself has two reasons. The first is that many on the left, including this Jewish Milbank dude, want Israel crushed under international pressure, abandoned and thrown to the wolves, so Beck’s rally is counterproductive for their goal. The second is that some of the liberal Jews who are still kinda pro-Israel might actually start listening, and maybe support Beck’s rally. That’s why there was also another op-ed that lashed at, almost intimidated, Joe Lieberman for joining Beck. They don’t want any liberal Jews joining, making it bipartisan and thereby “legitimizing” it. They scare them off by saying he’s really an antisemite and a zealot that would eat them alive given the chance.
2. Indeed to discredit his attacks on Soros. Beck sure went after some very powerful people who don’t play by the rules. If people would believe Beck is an antisemite they will dismiss his claims about Soros off hand.
There is no need to defend Glenn Beck here. Instead, attention should be directed at the Washington Post editorial by Dana Milbank that started this whole debate. Mr. Milbank asserts as fact, and no one appears to question it, that George Soros is a “Holocaust Survivor.”
George Soros is anything but a holocaust survivor. In fact, he was a holocaust exploiter. His father, an influencial Jewish Attorney in Hungary, changed the family name and worked with the Nazis to confiscate Jewish property. In his own words, George described his role in that as “the happiest time of his life.” http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RZ2U6Rl98PM.
Mr. Beck has absolutely nothing to apologize for or defend himself against and our time would be better spent calling out Mr. Milbank and Schwartz Gyorgy (George Soros’ birth name) instead.
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I respect beck so much for what hes doing, He may rant and go over the top on mulitiple occasions but the majority of what he says is true. Im glad to see some people havent turned on israel, Its nice to see. I studied abroad out there and the lies about them are so ridiculous its absurd anyone beleives them. THe palestinian aka jordanian/syrian citizens have the right to live, work, pray/worship, drive wherever. theyre not required to serve in the military and go to universities on grant money. They have multiple kids to capitalize on welfare while B & Ming about israel where they have it so good. They have arab political parties that speak out against israel blatantly and nothing is done because they have freedom of speech regardless of whats told.
Of course Glenn Beck is the leading purveyor of anti-Semitic memes in the mass media. And also war is peace, freedom is slavery, and ignorance is strength. If you deny it you’re evil.
I do believe that many (most?) of the “anti-zionist” folk out there are getting their news and talking points from the usual suspects. (Didn’t HuffPo just turn down an essay by one of their writers because it spoke against the “flotilla”?) I think that when they finish college and grow up out of the “I’m a leftist, baby, and I’m cool” stage, they’ll either lose interest in the subject or search for the truth and find it. From what I’ve read, many of them are already leaving behind the “Obama is a rock star” thing.
The same ones who support the “palestinians,” who WOULD estabish/vote in a theocracy, usually accuse Christians of wanting to do so, and some even quote names like Jerry Falwell, which shows that some leftist agitators are still using talking points from the Moral Majority days (and, sadly, some people are still falling for them.)
Well . . . no.
If Judaism is to be defined as the security of Israel at the expense of the freedom of other people then I will happily embrace being an apostate.
While Glenn Beck may be quite straightforward and enthusiastic in his support of Israel, his rhetoric in suppport of Dominionism in the United States make it impossible for me to endorse, and definitely not to give him such unconditional support.
I do not despise him, though he may change that if he goes further with his rhetoric, but I will not love him just because he supports Israel.
Sam, here’s an exercise I would like you to follow up on. You should be able to perform this task since it uses crayons.
1: Take out a map of the Middle East and colour in all of the Muslim States. You may need two sets of crayons if you just use one colour, this is a lot of area.
2: Colour in the territiry occupied by Israel. Should take about 10 seconds.
Now look up the populations of the Muslim and Jewish peoples. Divide the number of people by the square miles of available land to each side.
Soooo, I’m thinking there is room for all the peacefull flower children of the Sainted Mo to get along. They can frolick in their lands of Democracy and equal rights for all, all races, religions and sexes. Their density figure will be vastly less than that of Israel.
So tell me, what freedoms do the Arabs in Israel not have? They freely vote, can run for, and have been elected to office in Israel. The only Imperialist force at work in the world today is Islam. Once a Jihadist has walked on a soil, they claom it belongs to them. Previous history and logic be damned.
Israel didn’t annex Judea & Samaria and Gaza, but held them as bargain chips for future peace negotiations, so the Arabs there don’t have Israeli citizenship, though they have an autonomy under the Palestinian Authority and vote for their own government. They were offered a state many times by now, but they don’t want a state in Judea & Samaria and Gaza, they want Israel annihilated. This is the kind of people we have to deal with:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QWxQS81gXeI
There’s pelnty more where that came from, or just google “Hamas Covenant”. And Fatah is not much better than Hamas. Nor is Egypt with which we have a peace agreement after giving back the entire Sinai we captured in 1967. This is what you could see on Egyptian mainstream TV even in the days of “moderate” Mubarak:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-fukddJfSs
There’s no hope with these people. It’s like being surrounded by a billion of Nazis. Maybe one day they’ll change, but I don’t hold my breath.
Arabs in Judea and Samaria have none of the freedoms that Arabs in Israel have. And those who believe that Israel has a right to hold onto these lands in perpetuity have no problem with the Arab majority in Judea and Samaria being denied these rights forever. They never want to explain why Israel should be able to rule over these territories while denying democratic rights to those they are ruling over. Of course, the real answer is easy: you can extend democratic rights to Israeli Arabs because even after doing so they remain a powerless minority. You can’t extend the same rights to West Bank Arabs because there are so many of them that doing so would give them real political power within the State of Israel. If enough Arabs had fled from the West Bank in 1967 like they fled from Israel proper after the “Nakba”, Israel would have self-righteosly annexed the West Bank decades ago. In the end, its all about power and demographics.
And those who believe that Israel has a right to hold onto these lands in perpetuity have no problem with the Arab majority in Judea and Samaria being denied these rights forever.
What we believe is that, if they wish to exercise their right to self-determination, they are perfectly free to move to one of the 22 existing Arab states.
As for why Israel should be able to rule over those lands forever:
1) Because Israel is under permanent siege from the Arab, and increasingly the non-Arab, Muslim world, and the possession of those lands is simply important for Israel’s security;
2) Because they were included by the League of Nations in the 1922 Mandate for Palestine, whose express purpose was to establish a “Jewish National Home” in Palestine (while the “Palestinians” are a made-up ethnicity that no one has heard of before about 1960);
3) Because Israel was repeatedly attacked from those territories and aggressors don’t just get to try again;
4) Because the territories form an indespensable part of Jewish historic and cultural heritage, and under Arab Muslim (“Palestinian”) rule the several hundred thousand Jews who currently reside there would be expelled, just as the Jews were expelled from Jerusalem in 1948 by the Jordanians. (When this is done to non-Jews, it is called “ethnic cleansing.”)
It is a lie that “no one ever explains” why Israel should permanently hold on to these territories.
“1) Because Israel is under permanent siege from the Arab, and increasingly the non-Arab, Muslim world, and the possession of those lands is simply important for Israel’s security;”
In 1967, Israel defeated a combined Arab attack, backed by the Soviet Union, in SIX DAYS. Today, Israel — backed by the United States — would defeat a combined attack in SIX HOURS. A Palestinian state alongside Israel, would threaten Israel no more than they are CURRENTLY threatened by the Arabs. And how threatened are they now? Barely at all.
“2) Because they were included by the League of Nations in the 1922 Mandate for Palestine, whose express purpose was to establish a “Jewish National Home” in Palestine”
From the 1922 Mandate: “Whereas the Principal Allied Powers have also agreed…in favour of the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, it being clearly understood that nothing should be done which might prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine…”
In March 1930 Lord Passfield, the Secretary of State for the British Colonies, wrote: “In the Balfour Declaration there is no suggestion that the Jews should be accorded a special or favoured position in Palestine as compared with the Arab inhabitants of the country, or that the claims of Palestinians to enjoy self-government (subject to the rendering of administrative advice and assistance by a Mandatory as foreshadowed in Article XXII of the Covenant) should be curtailed in order to facilitate the establishment in Palestine of a National Home for the Jewish people.”
3) “…while the “Palestinians” are a made-up ethnicity that no one has heard of before about 1960)…”
This is a red herring argument. Palestinian refers to Arabs living in the region of Palestine, who saw themselves as distinct from the Arabs of Assyria or Arabia or North Africa, even if they understood this difference in tribal rather than national terms. It is like saying that “Americans” didn’t exist prior to the Revolutionary War, or that “Iraqis” or “Lebanese” or “Finns” or “Ukrainians” did not exist prior to the 20th Century.
“4) Because Israel was repeatedly attacked from those territories and aggressors don’t just get to try again.”
As stated in preamble to UN Resolution 242, international law forbids the acquisition of new territory by force. I would agree that when new territory is acquired in a defensive war, the occupier may continue to occupy the aquired land in the absence of a peace treaty. But you can’t seek to permanently incorporate the new territory into the victor’s country, and you ESPECIALLY can’t seek to incorporate the territory into the victor’s country under the stipulation that the only way they conquered people can have political rights is to MOVE AWAY from the conquered territory. Accepting such a scenario as normal under international law would be a green light for many countries to acquire new lands by force under the pretext of real or perceived threats or grievances by their neighbor.
5) “Because the territories form an indespensable part of Jewish historic and cultural heritage, and under Arab Muslim (“Palestinian”) rule the several hundred thousand Jews who currently reside there would be expelled, just as the Jews were expelled from Jerusalem in 1948 by the Jordanians. (When this is done to non-Jews, it is called “ethnic cleansing.”)”
Why should Jewish historic claims be considered more important than the historic claims of other peoples that cannot be granted due to demographic and historic realities? Why are they more valid than Serbian claims to Kosovo, or German claims to parts of Poland, or Armenian claims to Turkey (Mt. Ararat for instance), or Cherokee claims to North Carolina?
In 1967, Israel defeated a combined Arab attack, backed by the Soviet Union, in SIX DAYS. Today, Israel — backed by the United States — would defeat a combined attack in SIX HOURS.
Would that it did. But today Israel would have to fight against the armed forces of Egypt, which since the Camp David Accords have received US aid in amount comparable to what Israel receives, including military hardware and officer training; Hezbollah, which is far better-armed than in 2006, Syria, and the possible intervention of Turkey and the hell knows what else. And I don’t see the US under Obama lifting a finger on Israel’s behalf: instead, I see him looking on as columns of Egyptian tanks break into the Negev, perhaps urging “restraint by both sides, especially Israel.” Granted that modern technology makes sheer numbers of men less decisive than ever, but the population discrepancy between Israel and her potential enemies (on the order of 1:100!) must daunt any military planner.
A Palestinian state alongside Israel, would threaten Israel no more than they are CURRENTLY threatened by the Arabs. And how threatened are they now? Barely at all.
They are threatened barely at all? That sounds to me like a joke. A Palestinian state would make it possible to amass an invasion force, or stage one hell of a terrorist rocket campaign, from the high ground overlooking Jerusalem and Tel Aviv.
From the 1922 Mandate: “Whereas the Principal Allied Powers have also agreed…in favour of the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, it being clearly understood that nothing should be done which might prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine…”
The passage carefully omits POLITICAL RIGHTS, which is precisely the point. Lord Passfield is justifying Britain’s betrayal of the promise made to the Jews in the Balfour Declaration by reinterpreting it out of substance. The phrase “Jewish National Home” would be meaningless if Jews didn’t have control over immigration.
This is a red herring argument. Palestinian refers to Arabs living in the region of Palestine, who saw themselves as distinct from the Arabs of Assyria or Arabia or North Africa, even if they understood this difference in tribal rather than national terms.
On the contrary. There was a heterogenous mixture of tribes, ethnicities, and religions in Palestine before 1917. There were mostly Turks, Egyptians who settled in large number during 19th century wars, Bedouin nomads, Syrians, Jews, Armenian Christians, and others. All these (except the Jews) became merged in a never-before existing “Palestinian people” who “deserve a homeland of their own”–wholly at the expense of the newly-created State of Israel. And that is why it is important to keep insisting that there is no “Palestinian” nation: because they invoke (but only at Israel’s expense–why not in Jordan?) a “right” to self-determination as a unique people.
It is like saying that “Americans” didn’t exist prior to the Revolutionary War, or that “Iraqis” or “Lebanese” or “Finns” or “Ukrainians” did not exist prior to the 20th Century
It can be argued that the Iraqis and the Lebanese don’t meaningfully exist even now. But the Finns and the Ukrainians (who have their own language and national literature) certainly existed before they got their states. They were not merely invented to invoke a bogus self-determination claim against an already-existing nation-state.
But there is a nearly perfect analogy to the “Palestinians” in the history of 20th century Europe: the Sudeten Germans.
As stated in preamble to UN Resolution 242, international law forbids the acquisition of new territory by force.
According to Resolution 242, which acknowledges Israel’s right to “secure and recognized” boundaries, Israel is supposed to negotiate on the final borders with Egypt, Jordan, and Syria. But if the parties who lost the war refuse to negotiate and insist categorically that Israel return everything at once, that is, if they insist on not recognizing Israel’s rights under Resolution 242, then Israel, which acquired the territories in self-defense, is under no obligation to hold out permanently for some future negotiation that may never take place: then unilateral action is morally and legally justified. To deny this, I think, is just malicious casuistry.
and you ESPECIALLY can’t seek to incorporate the territory into the victor’s country under the stipulation that the only way they conquered people can have political rights is to MOVE AWAY from the conquered territory
There are circumstances when that is just what you do. Ethnic Germans were expelled from Czechoslovakia after World War II; today, those who demand their “right of return” are considered basically to be Nazis. Why the different treatment of Germans on the one hand, and the “Palestinians” on the other? Of the Czechs and the Jews?
Accepting such a scenario as normal under international law would be a green light for many countries to acquire new lands by force under the pretext of real or perceived threats or grievances by their neighbor.
Why? The Six-Day War is not at all equivocal, as much as anti-Israel propagandists would like to make it. Even if one can quibble speciously over Israel’s preemptive attack on the Egyptian invading army, Jordan (and Syria) definitely attacked Israel without provocation.
Why should Jewish historic claims be considered more important than the historic claims of other peoples that cannot be granted due to demographic and historic realities?
They may not in themselves be decisive. This is something that has to be considered case by case (for example, there is something to Serbia’s claim to Kosovo and Armenia’s to parts of Turkey). But when you take into account Israel’s history of perennial defensive warfare and the permanent religious hatred toward it from the surrounding Islamic peoples, the balance is tipped quite decisively.
“It is a lie that ‘no one ever explains’ why Israel should permanently hold on to these territories.”
What I meant was that people who think Israel should permanently hold on to Judea and Samaria forever never explain why the non-Jews living on land that Israel aquired in 1948 and 1949 (through the partition and through the defensive War of Independence) should be accorded political rights in Israel, while non-Jews living in territory aquired in 1967 should not be accorded these same rights.
Marco,
If all the Palestinians become citizens of Jordan they will have the best of both worlds. A country to call their own on the territory of Palestine, where they are citizens, vote, pay taxes, get benefits, etc. And the land that they own in the State of Israel remains theirs as does all business and personal property.
Sounds like a good deal and nobody gets killed. Think of all the innocent lives saved.
How about it?
Menachem
You mean Palestinians get to stay in Judea and Samaria, which would remain part of Israel, but they would hold citizenship and be taxed and have political rights in Jordan, which would exercise no control over the territory where they live? (What would they be getting in return for sending their taxes to Amman, by the way?)
But maybe you’re right. And since what’s good for the goose is good for the gander, surely American Jews wouldn’t mind if we stripped them of their American citizenship while allowing them to stay in America as “guests.” They could become Israeli citizens, pay their taxes in Israel, and vote for candidates in the Knesset. Sounds good to you?
Annex Judea and Samaria and give all of its inhabitants Israeli citizenship, or make clear you only intend to hold on to the territories until your neighbors are willing to make peace with the Jewish state and not a second longer. Any other option is nothing but old-fashioned 19th Century European imperialism.
” You mean Palestinians get to stay in Judea and Samaria, which would remain part of Israel, but they would hold citizenship and be taxed and have political rights in Jordan, which would exercise no control over the territory where they live? (What would they be getting in return for sending their taxes to Amman, by the way?) ”
The Palestinians would be like any other person who owns a home or business in a country where they are not citizens. Millions of folks do this without a problem all over the world. How Jordan taxes is citizens who live abroad I don’t know. Bust as an American born Israeli I also report my taxable status to two governments. Palestinians who live in Israel would have the same personal rights as anyone. They can own homes, land, factories, businesses, etc. Whats wrong with that?
” But maybe you’re right. And since what’s good for the goose is good for the gander, surely American Jews wouldn’t mind if we stripped them of their American citizenship while allowing them to stay in America as “guests.” They could become Israeli citizens, pay their taxes in Israel, and vote for candidates in the Knesset. Sounds good to you?”
American Jews want to be part of the United States of America. Palestinians do not want to be part of the State of Israel.
” Annex Judea and Samaria and give all of its inhabitants Israeli citizenship, or make clear you only intend to hold on to the territories until your neighbors are willing to make peace with the Jewish state and not a second longer. Any other option is nothing but old-fashioned 19th Century European imperialism. ”
Why are you pretending that Jordan does not exist? Don’t you want to stop the killing?
That’s a nice exercise I’m sure, but it has absolutely nothing to do with what I wrote about why I will not support Beck.
Nobody said the definition of Judaism is the security of Israel, so who are you arguing with?
As for the security of Israel coming at the expense of the freedom of other people, imagine a situation where one person is determined to kill another person, and that other person puts some limitations on the person that’s trying to kill him, what would your moral recommendation be:
A. Person A must be given complete freedom to go on and kill person B?
B. Person B has a right to defend himself as long as person A isn’t willing to make peace with him?
There are 22 Arab states and over 50 Muslim states, most of which want Israel destroyed. Try to imagine the opposite situation. What if there were 20+ Jewish states, who control a huge amount of land and natural resources, and with hundreds of millions of Jews living in them, and there was one tiny Arab-Muslim state that is the only Arab-Muslim state in thw world, is about 0.2% the size of the territory of the Jewish states, and has a few million Arabs living in it. Now say the Jews wanted to destroy this tiny Arab state and drive all the Arabs into the sea, and for that purpose the Jews launched wars and terror on the tiny Arab state for decades. And say that in one of those wars the tiny Arab state managed to capture some territory of great strategic importance to it. Now say that there was a peace process in which the tiny Arab state twice offered the Jews 95%-100% (including land swaps of about 5%) of this territory in return for ending the conflict, but the Jews twice rejected it. And that the Jews continue to attack the tiny Arab state with rockets and terror, teach their children to kill and die until the Arab state is destroyed, and spread extreme and genocidal anti-Arab propaganda in their media, education system, synagogues and in speeches by many mainstream political leaders, including heads of states. In a situation like that would you support the Jews or the tiny Arab state? Would the Arab state have a right to self defense and protecting its citizens? Would you demand the tiny Arab state give up the territory that serves as a buffer while the Jews are still acting like that, knowing it’ll make it easier for the Jews to attack the Arabs in these barely defensible borders? If you’re consistent you’ll have to say yes, because that’s what you demand from Israel in the reverse role, but my bet is that if we reverse the roles you’d still lump criticism on the Jews and defend the Arabs. If in both the existing situation and its opposite with the roles reversed you’d criticize the Jews and defend the Arabs it means you automatically ctiticize the Jews and/or defend the Arabs.
If Israel insists on holding onto all or most of Judea and Samaria in perpetuity, your description of Israel vis-a-vis its neighbors is indentical to the situation faced by Afrikaners and British in apartheid-era South Africa. There you had a tiny bastion of the West, hated by all of its neighbors, unable to give political rights to all but a token number of native Africans living within its territory because to do so would lead to the end of white rule, and subsequent discrimination and danger for whites living as a hasted minority.
If Israel is willing to allow the Arabs of Palestine to have a state of their own in the West Bank, Gaza and east Jerusalem (provided the new state agrees to make peace with the Jewish state) then the comparison is NOT valid.
There is no such thing as “East Jerusalem”. Just like “palestinian”, it’s a modern, biased and invalid creation, in this case the definition of a cease-fire line that divided Jerusalem arbitrarily between the Jews and the Arab/Jordanian/Iraqi invaders/occupiers at the end of the 1948 war. Just like East/West Berlin was an aberration that took 40 years to ammend.
Jerusalem is one city. Period. The capital and holiest city of the Jewish nation. The bunch of antisemites want to create a delusional “East Jerusalem”, understanding that it is the beginning of the project to undermine Jewish autonomy and nationalistic aspirations in all of Israel.
According to the article”
“If you are Jewish and you despise Glenn Beck, then Judaism is clearly not very important to you.”
Apparently for Sammy Levine the security of Israel, as defended by Glenn Beck, does define Judaism.
Perhaps you should take up the principles of Judaism with him.
As for the rest, as with Clausewitz, it has absolutely nothing to do with why I do not support or endorse Beck.
Perhaps I should add that Zionism is also not defined by Beck; it existed long before him, and will exist long after him. I do not have to support one particular man to support Israel.
Cole Porter said it best a long time ago:
The world has gone mad today
And good’s bad today,
And black’s white today,
And day’s night today,
…
Anything goes
aw i like that song
I like how Michael Novak put it: Israel is part of America’s DNA. America’s founding drew on the uniquely Hebrew concept of holiness of the individual and divine love for the weak and powerless, as much as it did on the natural law tradition of Grotius and Locke. The destiny of the United States of America and the people of Israel are inextricably intertwined for that reason, and America’s affinity for Israel and deep interest in the welfare of the Jewish people are bred in American marrow.
I stand with Beck and his thoughts are my thoughts concerning Israel. Soon, I predict Jews, both secular and religious, American and Israeli, will be both shocked and overwhelmed with the massive demonstration of support from the Christian community for Israel.
But even if I weren’t Christian, I can give ample, completely self-serving reasons for Israeli support from all Americans. Our military aid is pennies on the dollar of benefits received: intelligence being the most obvious.
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“And afterward, I will pour out my Spirit on all people. Your sons and daughters will prophesy, your old men will dream dreams, your young men will see visions. ~ Joel 2:28
C’mon people. Don’t be shy about telling the TRUTH!!!
The East Bank of the Jordan
by Ze’ev Jabotinsky
As a bridge is held up by a pillar
As a man is kept erect by his spine
So the Jordan, the holy Jordan
Is the backbone of my Israel.
Two Banks has the Jordan –
This is ours and, that is as well.
Though my country may be poor and small
It is mine from head to foot.
Stretching from the sea to the desert
And the Jordan, the Jordan in the middle.
Two Banks has the Jordan –
This is ours and, that is as well.
From the wealth of our land there shall prosper
The Arab, the Christian, and the Jew,
For our flag is a pure and just one
It will illuminate both sides of my Jordan.
Two Banks has the Jordan –
This is ours and, that is as well.
My two hands I have dedicated to the homeland,
My two hands to sword and shield.
Let my right hand whither
If I forget the East Bank of the Jordan.
Two Banks has the Jordan –
This is ours and, that is as well.
Lolly -
About the 3 Billion and the appropriation of Israeli Intellectual property. All true, and it goes further and back to the 1973 war since which Israel has been at best a minor player in arms EXPORTS, this is the bargain made to keep getting the latest US gear. Otherwise, little Israel might be beating the UK in total arms exports considering their level of technology and manufacturing. This is something the US did NOT desire. So consider Military Aid as partially an annuity settlement to the Israelis for keeping their arms industry within bounds.
As for the loss of “the Other Bank” of the Jabotinsky ode, one can assign blame to the perfidy and cowardice of the British Mandate Policy as the original Palestine Mandate included”TransJordan” which in 1932 or thereabouts was given to the Hashemites as a consolation prize after the Saudis booted them from the Arabian Peninsula. They live today between Iraq and a Hard Place.
Dr. Shalit
Dr. Shalit — Aren’t you being a bit greedy, ungrateful, unrealistic when you call the British refusal to give ALL of the mandate to the Jews “perfidy and cowardice”? It’s not like the territory was a land without people.
If all of Transjordan had been given to the Jews, where would the Jordanian Arabs have gone, in addition to all the Arabs of Judea and Samaria? Current population of Jordan (all Arab) is 6 million. Current Arab population of West Bank is 4 million. Current Arab population of Gaza is 1.6 million. That’s 11.6 million Arabs that you believe that Jews have the moral right to rule over?
Not to mention the 2 million Palestinians living OUTSIDE the entire area of the former mandate (in Lebanon, Iraq, Syria, Saudi Arabia, Europe, North and South America and elsewhere)!
Marco: have you looked at a map lately and just how much territory Israel really has?
Menachem — Whether you like it or not, millions of people call themselves Palestinian and have as much right to identify themselves that way as Israelis have a right to identify themselves as Israeli. I have no problem with saying that Jordan is Palestine as long as Jordan includes the West Bank. For that is where the Palestinians live. In many ways, Jordanian sovereignty would be preferable, and perhaps the biggest disaster of the Six-Day War FOR ALL PARTIES CONCERNED was the decision by King Hussein to join the Arab effort, which if I’m not mistaken did not even happen until the fourth day of the war.
I also have no problem making the West Bank part of Israel as long as the residents have the same political rights as Israeli Arabs and Jews. I disagree that most Palestinians don’t want to be part of Israel — in fact the majority want a one-state solution and wants to be in the same position as their Israeli Arab brethren. Whether they call the land “Israel” or “Israel-Palestine” or “Palestine” is secondary. They want Israel to become like Lebanon, except if that were to occur the Jews would retain much, much more political and economic power than the Lebanese Christians currently have.
You want to have your cake and eat it too: you want Judea and Samaria for Israel, without any responsibility towards it’s non-Jewish majority. But millions of Arabs live in Judea and Samaria and they aren’t going anywhere. You can’t move them without committing crimes against humanity, and another country is not going to accept them as citizens unless that country has sovereignty over the land the people live on. If you won’t let go of the land and its people and leave the fourth most powerful military in the world (IDF)– backed up by the most powerful country in the world — protect you, then your only remaining choice in this post-imperial age is to make its people part of your country. Or become South Africa, pre-1994 or the post-Civil War American South before the passage of the Voting Rights Act. I believe a Jewish ethnostate is what’s good for the Jews. That’s why I say that Zionists who insist on lording over the Arab MAJORITY in Judea and Samaria forever are the true enemies of the Zionist project.
actually, you’re forgetting something. let’s set aside Israel’s biblical claim to the land. let’s also set aside the LEGAL purchases of land in Palestine by Jews throughout the 19th and 20th centuries, and also the 1947 UN partition that gave the Jews the land again. Israel gets to keep the land for one reason above all:
they defended it in a war they won. several wars, in fact. to the victor go the spoils. and remember those wars were all started by their Arab neighbors. so really, Israel should by rights be able to tell the Pals to go suck it. for some reason, tho, out of all the countries in the history of the world who won territory in wars, Israel alone is not allowed to retain theirs.
the fact that Israel already gave back Gaza, and is willing to give back the West Bank and even parts of Jerusalem, shows how much they want peace. unfortunately for us all, the Pals want to kill Jews more than they want to build a nation, so I don’t see things changing in the forseeable future.
My comments are not directed to those who are “willing to give back the West Bank and even parts of Jerusalem.” My comments are directed at those who are unwilling to do so, usually for religious or historical reasons. Israel was given 55% of Palestine in the initial UN partition plan. After the war of independence, it held 78% of Palestine. Those Arabs in the additional 23% that Israel conquered were given Israeli citizenship and at least on paper equal civil and political rights. The same should apply to the people in the territory acquired in 1967, unless Israel only intends to occupy that land temporarily, absent a peace treaty with the neighbors who attacked it.
Insisting on incorporating land you have acquired in a defensive war into your nation without giving the people who live on that land equal citizenship is colonialism, pure and simple. The age of Western colonialism is over. The rest of the world doesn’t want it, and the West can no longer afford it.
Marco, people may call themselves what they like but that does not give them the right to usurp the homes, land and country of another. Jordan already holds the lions share of territorial Palestine and as you point is the home country of the majority of muslims of Palestine. I don’t know where you get your figures but there are not ” millions ” of anybody in Judea and Samaria which I drive through frequently. I don’t know if you have ever visited this area of the world but as in many things in life once you experience something you may think differently.
In any case, first and foremost, is your lack of addressing the most fundamental issue which is not land but freedom. Why do you support the creation of any country that does not allow religious freedom?
“I don’t know where you get your figures but there are not ” millions ” of anybody in Judea and Samaria which I drive through frequently.”
I get my figures from the CIA Fact Book, available online, which says that there were 2,568,555 people in the West Bank as of summer 2010.
If you think there are much fewer, than why don’t you simply support treating the Arabs living on the land Israel acquired in 1967 the same way it treats the Arabs on the land beyone the original UN partition that was conquered during the War of Independence?
“Why do you support the creation of any country that does not allow religious freedom?”
Why shouldn’t I? It is not my business or yours to tell another country how to run their own affairs. That is, unless my tax dollars are helping to fund that government, and its enemies hate me and my country for this reason. By the way, can a Christian marry a Jew in Israel? Can an Israeli Arab marry an Arab in Judea or Samaria? Can an Arab in Judea and Samaria move to some other part of Israel?
I think we’re going around in circles. Once again, if the West Bank Arabs belong in Jordan, give the land to Jordan. If the West Bank belongs to Israel, make its people Israelis. There are facts on the ground, and you cannot separate a land and its people.
thank you SO MUCH for this article! Beck is indeed a Righteous Gentile. the attitude of some of my Jewish brothers and sisters is really incomprehensible to me, but it’s good to know others feel as I do.
I recently had a conversation with a leftwing Jew.I argued with her the point of those who are pro palestinian would not hesitate to deny her rights as a human being.The response?Israel is an evil zionist aparthied state.This went on for an hour.Actually she didnt have anything to offer that was new to me that ive havent already read from left wing blogs about Israel.
Palestinians are people also but they are a far cry from being civilized like the West.They cant even agree to disagree and move on for the benefit of themselves.They are simply not ready to handle a state of their own.They are proving it with such hatred towards jews and israelis.
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