Getting ‘Furious’ with Holder: GOPs Unload, Get Few Answers at Hearing
The attorney general couldn't say when Agent Terry was killed, how many guns have been recovered, or how many Mexicans have died in "Fast and Furious," but is confident that voter fraud isn't bad enough to justify ID.
June 7, 2012 - 12:13 pm
But Issa was far from the only Republican to put Holder on the spot over the gun-walking operation, prompting a flurry of requests from Jackson Lee about whether talking about the wiretap applications was proper parliamentary procedure and entering so many documents into the record that Issa charged that the other side should be allowed to prepare and submit their own evidence as well.
“It doesn’t matter if you appear at Congress seven times or 70 times, if when you’re asked you say I don’t know to the questions that are most pertinent,” said Rep. Randy Forbes (R-Va.). “It doesn’t matter if you supply 7,000 pages or documents or 700,000 pages, if they’re not the proper papers to answer key questions.”
Forbes questioned Holder about his interactions with President Obama’s campaign team regarding messaging or hiring decisions.
Saying he hadn’t had any such communications with the campaign, Holder said that he and “close friend” campaign strategist David Axelrod “talked about ways in which we might improve the ability of the Justice Department to respond to political attacks that were coming my way.”
“I mean, there’s a political dimension to the job that I have as attorney general,” Holder continued. “I mean, the reality is that I don’t sit up in an ivory tower and just do law enforcement. I am the subject of attacks. I’m a person who is seen by some as pretty controversial. And there are times, or at least there was that time when I was looking for some help in that regard.”
Rep. Louie Gohmert (R-Texas), a former state district judge, seized on this admonition, recounting the tough decisions he made from the bench “because it was the fair and just thing.” When hearing Holder talk of the political aspect, Gohmert said, “it offends me beyond belief.”
“Your job is justice, Mr. Attorney General,” he said. “It’s justice across the board.”
Holder protested that his job includes political aspects such as trying to “advance legislation that I think is appropriate” and battling defunding pushes on the Hill — and, he acknowledged, coordinating messaging on stories such as Fast and Furious.
When another judge and Texas Republican, Rep. Ted Poe, got his crack at Holder, the attorney general said he didn’t know how many guns from Fast and Furious had been recovered.
When Poe asked how many Mexicans had been killed as a result of the operation, Holder responded, “I don’t know, but I would think that there have been some.”
Rep. Trey Gowdy (R-S.C.), saying that he didn’t believe the attorney general should be espousing any political ideology, asked Holder if he believed that a question about which senior officials knew about the gun-walking operation could be in “good faith” instead of politically motivated.
“Sure,” Holder responded. “Do you think John Ashcroft was a conservative?”
“I’m not going to ignore reality and say that all the attacks against me are non-political in nature,” the attorney general said.
“If you think that you are being singled out because of ideology or race [in] Fast and Furious, you are sorely mistaken,” Gowdy said.
Holder faced nearly as many questions about Florida’s effort to examine its voter rolls to purge those not eligible to cast ballots, from Republicans who opposed the Justice Department’s intervention to Democrats who pushed any move to stop Republican Gov. Rick Scott.
Rep. Mel Watt (D-N.C.) expressed his “disappointment that some of my colleagues are spending so much time advancing the notion that we should be disqualifying people from exercising the most basic right that they have in our democracy, the right to vote.”
“The problem is simply this,” said Rep. James Sensenbrenner (R-Wisc.). “And that is, Florida is trying to purge its voter registration rolls of noncitizens, including illegal immigrants, people who are clearly not eligible to vote. And the Department of Homeland Security has had a nine-month delay in giving the national voter registration logs to the state.”
Holder countered that Florida’s request still clashed with the Voter Registration Act rule of not purging voter rolls within 90 days of an election, then said that the DHS database was flawed and “could result in the exclusion of people from voting who are native-born Americans.”
Rep. Dan Lungren (R-Calif.) took Holder to task on whether asking for photo ID violated constitutional rights.
“If I were lucky enough to be invited down to meet you or see you at your office at the Justice Department, wouldn’t I have to show a government issued photo ID to get in to see you?” Lungren asked.
“You might,” Holder responded.
To go into a federal courthouse? “That’s not been my experience… I don’t know.”
To get on a plane? “That one, yes. To get on a plane, you’ve got to have a photo ID.”
“So, is your Justice Department investigating the discriminatory effect of those laws with respect to someone’s constitutional right to travel? Or constitutional right to visit you? I mean, the constitution doesn’t say petition the government for a redress of grievances only goes to some people,” Lungren continued. “I mean, if I’ve got a complaint with the Justice Department and want to come to the Justice Department, are you inhibiting me, effecting my constitutional right by requiring me to show a government issued photo ID?”
Holder responded that the most important right we have, what “distinguishes this country and makes it exceptional as compared to other nations,” is the right to vote.
“And there are people who cheat about voting when they don’t have a right to vote,” Lungren said.
“We do not see that to the proportions that people have said in an attempt to try to justify these photo ID laws,” Holder responded.