George Zimmerman Lynching Further Unravels
Discrepancies between more minor details surrounding the incident — including remembering where someone was standing, what they said, or recalling why someone did something during the course of events — are entirely expected during the first three days, with the final and most accurate recollection expected to have “set” three sleep cycles after the event.
The comparison between George Zimmerman’s written statement of February 26 and his audio-recorded interviews on February 26 and 29 is stunning primarily for the consistency of his argument across these time periods. Despite an attempt by SPD investigators to compare the non-emergency call he made to police against 911 calls of that night, the key details of Zimmerman’s story hold up.
The most interesting character in the Zimmerman interrogations isn’t George Zimmerman, but Sanford Police Department investigator Christopher Serino. Cordial at first, stern at times, and seemingly vacillating between “good cop and “bad cop” roles, Serino is as variable over the three-part interrogation as Zimmerman is consistent.
Without explaining why he feels this way or presenting any evidence to support his assertion, Serino asserts Zimmerman is not being truthful with the investigation. Serino implies there may be security video of the confrontation between Zimmerman and Trayvon Martin, in an effort to see if Zimmerman will change his story. Serino states that he’s talked to professionals who don’t find Zimmerman’s wounds to be consistent with the kind of fight Zimmerman says occurred, asserting Zimmerman is being less than truthful.
Pushing and probing a suspect in an attempt to clarify discrepancies or to expose a lying suspect is the police investigator’s job, but Serino stands accused of going beyond his duty. He may have gone as far as attempting to influence the public’s perception of the case in what would be an unethical and possibly illegal leak to the media, according to Conservative Tree House:
We contacted the Sanford Police Department, the Public Information Officer, and the Police Chief, and we explained how they can use the secured CCTV system to identify who accessed the footage and recorded it on their cell phone.
Now we know that recording was done by Lead Detective Chris Serino who was also the source of numerous exclusive ABC leaks.
Chris Serino was obviously disciplined and given the opportunity to resign from his position and take another position as “Night Patrol”, where he can wait til his retirement.
And then the black political Left leapt out of their racist version of Plato’s Cave like spiders, spurred on by the forensics arm of the NBA Players Assoc. and Congressional Black Caucus. I hope Zimmerman walks and then sues the NBA and CBC just for starters for inciting hate-speech and violating his civil rights. Let’s see how they like a dose of their own litigious medicine.
What do you want to bet though that instead of sticking it to anyone who deserves it, Zimmerman will likely enter a protected witness program & disappear into the realm of obscurity just to stay alive.
It seems to me that Zimmerman is ready, willing and able to protect himself. I say set up a fund to keep him in ammo and let nature take it’s course.
What an incredibly ignorant comment. If someone wanted you dead (and there are clearly lots who want Zimmerman’s scalp), no gun, no amount of ammunition, no amount of false bravado and no guard detail could keep you alive. Even if he manages to disappear, the poor man will look over his shoulder for the rest of his life never knowing if he’s in somebody’s sights.
If ANYBODY thinks that killing in self defense is an option to move up your options list, this is a prime example of why you’d better think carefully (but quickly ) before pulling your weapon.
If ever there was a case where you’d hope to have to shoot a white perpetrator (one trying to turn your skull into mush on the sidewalk) — and you are white yourself — this is it. This whole case is so confounded because idiots in greater Orlando immediately seized upon it as race-based.
Also: 17 year olds can be physically huge. I coach. Presently I do some one-on-one in two different sports with boys hoping to make varsity squads in the coming school year. I am not small, but a handful of the boys I presently coach tower over me by five inches or more and outweigh me as well.
If these teens were ever to think ill of me and wish to get the jump on me and got me down, well, there’s no telling whether I’d be able to fight my way free. They might be only 15, 16 or 17 years old, but they could kill me within a minute. I have no doubt of this.
This idea of sweet innocent teens at age 17 needs to be buried. Every urban area (and many rural ones) in America has teens barely 15 that would knife, shoot, or bust a bat over another’s head. Even for just $35 cash in a wallet.
The same can be said regarding possible danger to the lives of police officers who have shot someone when on duty. The use of a gun by those whose lives are being threatened is still permissible according to the federal laws of the USA and are expressly repeated in the constitutions of some states.
What is this about spiders and a cave?
Who was it that tricked George Zimmerman into his current litigational highlight: lying to the judge about his finances? He got his wife to lie on the witness stand to keep his $$ secret, and the judge, Kenneth Lester, recently whupped up on him for deception:
“By any definition, the defendant has flouted the system,” Lester wrote. “It appears to this court that the defendant is manipulating the system for his own benefit.”
(Orlando Slantinel, July 5)
Now they want his attorney to pull this cooperative interview data and say that, prior to three sleep cycles, his actions were truthful and not manipulative? Have fun convincing the jury with that one.
Zimmerman is an idiot, a lying, dangerous idiot whose idiotic decisions led to the killing of an innocent man.
This is patently untrue.
Zimmerman’s wife, on questioning, answered that she was aware of the defense funds being raised for her husband. The prosecutor asked her if she knew the specific amount that had been raised. She answered that she did not, but offered to call her brother-in-law, who – according to her – knew the exact amount.
The narrative that she committed perjury is not just incorrect – it’s offensive and unjust. The question itself was designed as a ‘gotcha’ question, intended to find her guilty of perjury however she answered. This was an online fund-raising account that was STILL ACTIVE. If she had given a specific dollar amount (perhaps even an estimate), the prosecutor would have trotted out the current (no doubt changed) number and accused her of perjury anyway.
She did the only thing she could under the circumstance. She answered truthfully, but the decision to arrest her for perjury had been made before the question was even asked – no doubt in an attempt to leverage Zimmerman into pleading guilty so the prosecutor could save face.
So it was not really perjury because Shellie Zimmerman was tricked by the prosecutor, right?
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/trayvon-martin/os-george-zimmerman-wife-arrested-20120612,0,6340697.story
He sat there, complacent and complicit, and the judge said the other day that George Zimmerman might be charged later on with felony perjury.
The reason this is a problem is that all you guys who think some evidence exonerates George Zimmerman, you are relying on something he said after the killing. How are they going to introduce that as evidence without Zimmerman taking the stand. Even if the defense attorney can do it without the defendant on the stand, the prosecutor is going to make mincemeat of it. Even the judge realizes that Zimmerman has tried to game the system.
George Zimmerman is a lying, dangerous idiot, whose foolish, amateurish decisions led to the death of an innocent man.
“X Contra” is a lying, dangerous man, who is intent on lynching an innocent man who defended himself from an attack by a dangerous thug.
What does perjury after the fact have to do with a murder charge? It’s Orwellian to suggest he lied about something he shouldn’t have been charged with in the first place and then say that’s proof he not only should’ve been charged but is a liar and so therefore lying about committing cold-blooded murder.
I’m not rooting for either of these guys. It is obvious from all of the statements put forth from the investigation that this is a case of self defense. It doesn’t matter how you spin it Contra. Zimmerman should never have been charged. It is unfortunate that Martin had to die, but he is clearly a thug and brought this upon himself. If the hoodie fits, wear it.
….”Google” this…..
….”Allegory of the Cave – Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allegory_of_the_Cave
The Allegory of the Cave—also known as the Analogy of the Cave, Plato’s Cave, or the Parable of the Cave—is an allegory used by the Greek philosopher Plato …”
Socrates? Gee, yo’ think?
Why don’t you just use your real nametag, “Sandanista”?
Mrs Zimmerman only repeated what her brother in law told her. She cannot be held responsible for his inaccuracy. Since she did not know the magic number, she should have said so, and NOT volunteered the jive about her brother in law. Her incompetent attorney should have shut her up on that. With that kind of an open account and contributions coming in hourly, no one can know its size unless they are monitoring it personally and continually. There will be no perjury prosecution, the threat of which is a scare tactic by a prosecution which realizes that no charges should ever have been filed, and that Mr. Zimmerman is going to win a civil suit against the State of Florida for millions of dollars.
You really shouldn’t be posting when you are high.
No sane person can fault Zimmerman for not being up front with the corrupt court and the corrupt judge and the corrupt prosecutor. Most of us who live in the real world knew the case was bogus from the get go.
Let us not forget the corrupt defense attorney Mark O’Mara: http://tinyurl.com/6lmm46g
I’m sorry, but is he a millionaire? Can someone be blamed for trying to collect enough money to defend himself for being punished for trying to help out his neighbors?
You evidently are black or a Democrat. The man did everything he was told to do and for that he was beaten up by a Thug. What would you do if your life was being threatened? This has been blown out of proportions by the left and has been moved from an attack to a racial debate.
or both, X as in Malcolm, radical leftist ignorant American hating and —yawn.
Why, yes, I am a Negro. Am I allowed to speak here? Or should I send myself to the Klan Parenthood now for retro-active abortion?
being a negro neither does nor doesn’t allow you to speak here. it is irrelevant. what is relevant to you being a negro however is your racial blindness to the innocence of zimmerman.
No, just trot on down to the Church of Kill Whitey Now (“Black Liberation Theology”), sit down in the front row pew next to your President Precious Token, and listen to another Jeremiah Wright sermon about white folk’s greed. Maybe you can help Obama invent another “composite” white racist so he can further justify his own virulent anti-white racism.
Boy you’re a piece of work! What a tool you must be! Zimmermans only wrong was getting out of his vehicle. I agree that this action unnecessarily escalated the incident. In Indiana attacking a Security officer or neighborhood watchmember while purforming duties related to their “office” is the same as assaulting an officer of the law. Martin “MAY” have been unfairly suspected by Zimmerman but that gave Martin NO JUSTIFICATION in attacking Zimmerman which I feel has been proven beyond reasonable doubt! Zimmerman was justified in using force to end the assault even though he was wrong to confront Martin about his activities just asking someone what they are doing “sneaking” around is not justification for assaulting that person. I believe that Martin attacked Zimmerman for having the audacity to question him about his suspicious behavior which is coroborated by Martins own “girlfriend” who said that Martin was running and trying to “lose” his follower. All actions that to a security officer or neighborhood watchman would seem to indicate guilt of some activity not wanted to be detected.
“All actions that to a security officer or neighborhood watchman would seem to indicate guilt of some activity not wanted to be detected.”
Therefore, kill him?
Do you think a trained policeman who observed someone doing this would kill him? A cop would have handled it way differently.
All I am saying is that if the fool Zimmerman had been a different kind of fool, not a cop wannabee fool but maybe a socialist fool from the Democrat party, he would not have been in that position. Nobody would’ve gotten killed. Perhaps Trayvon would have ended up in juvenile court, and then his parents would have worn him out to within an inch of his life, but he would not be dead.
Instead, by the foolish decisions of an untrained idiot with a gun, Trayvon is dead. They are trying to prosecute the idiot Zimmerman, probably get a manslaughter conviction or a Casey Anthony verdict if the prosecutir screws up.
Martin chose to commit a felony, criminal assault on an armed citizen on ground that citizen had every right to be on. Martin chose poorly and paid for that choice. That you ignore the fact that Martin’s physical attack triggered a tardy but lethal response shows the depth of your biased view that Martin by virtue of age and race is not responsible for his actions, but Zimmerman is to be held to account for his and then some. Martin is dead because he was a thug and reacted like one. That his default response to a verbal confrontation was an overwhelming, violent and brutal attack marks him as another member of a broken culture that accepts violence as normal.A culture that expects “justice” no matter what lengths a biased investigator and prosecutor go to nail Zimmerman to the wall. “Justice” is all about a payday for Team Skittles. Your denial of any fault on Martin’s part marks you as an enabler for the next Martin and the Ben Crump PayDay Express that never lets facts get in the way of a high dollar civil suit.
The only purpose of charging GZ is to scare blacks into voting for Obama in 2012. The persecuter knows that she can’t win the case, but she is working on her career by helping the Dems win the next election. Obama or some other Dem politician will reward her with a judgeship. She will drop all charges after the election because GZ will be aquitted.
This is all about making money for the Lawyers. Well, 99%. 1% is an indirect assault on the 2nd amendment.
I have a Father, Uncle and Brother who all retired from various police departments. To most cops, it’s easy. Entry hole in front, self defence. Entry hole in back, murder. That is the decision tree used while the air is still heavy with cordite and the coppery tang of fresh blood. It is used because it’s correct most of the time.
The legal system and the jury are charged with finding the exceptions.
It is hard to imagine a jury convicting.
One might suspect that some juries might well convict, regardless of the weight of the evidence. Such a jury may well be easy to come by in Sanford.
It is highly likely that a change of venue will be asked for and granted so that George Zimmerman is unlikely to be placed at the tender mercies of a prospective Sanford jury pool.
You’re quite correct.
Veering only minimally off topic, the Jury-Electorate we need to be wary of this November is the claque for Obama, who quite literally couldn’t care less about the mounting evidence against their saint’s record.
Zimmerman here is the polar opposite where the knee-jerk media are concerned.
So, Readers, we have right before us, right now, two choice representative sample-flasks of fermenting trouble….each a separate magnetic opposite, but when viewed side by side should be revealing to those who will only look.
Mr. Zimmerman has learned a very painful, devastating lesson which millions of people learned over the past 45 years…..When thugs start invading your neighborhood, move…That is the reason for the flight to the suburbs…You cannot fight the politically protected class.
Except for the older people who cannot move, and are then victimized. The Orthdox Jewish community learned that lesson the hard way, and now we try to hold on. (Besides, since we can’t drive on the Sabbath, it’s hard to move institutions.)
What about the use of excessive force on Zimmerman’s part? A gun up against skittles and Ice Tea (which was NOT reported as stolen!) Couldn’t Zimmerman have pepper sprayed the kid or put him in an arm lock instead of resorting to the use of his firearm? Didn’t Zimmerman directly disregard the 911 operator’s request that he stay in his car in the first place?
Zimmerman’s account simply does not add up.
To answer your question in reverse order:
1)Zimmerman did not disregard the 911 request. They said it was not necessary to follow Martin and Zimmerman said OK and was walking back to his car when the fight started. hey never told him to stay in his car.
2)According to Zimmerman AND the physical evidence, Martin confronted Zimmerman as he was walking back to his car. Martin, who despite his picture as a 10 yr old was actually over six feet tall and around 180 pounds, knocked Zimmerman down so that Zimmerman’s body was in the grass with his head on the sidewalk. After knocking him down Martin straddled Zimmerman’s chest, punching Zimmerman repeatedly in the face. As Zimmerman cried for help, Martin began to slam his head onto the sidewalk repeatedly. Zimmerman did not have pepper spray and could not even physically defend himself in the position Martin had him in.
3) According to Zimmerman, as Martin slid further up his chest to continue to slam his head onto the concrete and break his nose, Zimmerman’s shirt rode up revealing his pistol. Martin grabbed at the holster and said ” You gonna die tonight mothereffer.” At that point Zimmerman drew his gun first and shot Martin in the chest as Martin still sat on his chest.
You people crack me up. What a bunch of rednecks
Exactly why Zimmerman was falsely arrested. Because of racist, vile, hateful “I can do what I want, when I want” Black punk mentality like yours.
The same reason Martin got what he had coming, and Zimmerman will ultimately walk free and win his civil suits.
Not on a bigot but an incoherent bigot as well. I suppose you would be funny to someone really stoned. To everyone else, you are just a tiresome piece of stool in the toilet bowl of life.
Same to you, fella! But may I substitute “black thug” for “redneck”?
You don’t want to try to make this a racial issue, or you’ll be required to explain why blacks constitute about 10% of our population and commit about 50% of the crimes. Thats right! If, tomorrow, magically, all blacks were somewhere else, our crime rate would, magically, be cut by at least 50%. One may philosophize, rationalize, or whatever, but the cold, hard facts remain. Blacks, generically, constitute a criminal population. The most poignant example is POTUS and his Attorney General, both criminals and sociopaths, to boot. How national heroes, like Col. West, Ambassador Keyes and Professor Sowell must grit their teeth and wince at the demonic antics of the Rangels and Sharptons! There is a gigantic criminal problem in the black community. But it is easily solved. Keep the Law, gentlemen! Keep the Law and that problem will no longer exist.
Only a fool tries to use the least amount of force possible against someone who is trying to kill them. Wake up and accept reality, Treyvon Martin was a drug dealing gangsta thug, he wasn’t taking a shortcut through George Zimmermans gated community, he was there to commit felony burglary, and he was assaulting George Zimmerman because George dared to have the audacity to challenge his intention to commit felony burglary.
No, under no circumstances should George Zimmerman have ever considered pepper spraying or arm-locking Treyvon, Treyvon wasn’t some errant child coloring outside of the lines, he was a hardened criminal who made the willful and conscience decision to attempt to take the life of George Zimmerman for the sole reason that George Zimmerman was preventing him from committing a felony.
I remember when Israel was forced to do this (by the US?). The result was a dead officer.
In what way was the level of force Zimmerman used excessive?
Exactly. Zimmerman used enough force to stop poor widdle Trayvon from pounding his head against the pavement and turn his own gun on him. That Martin died was Martin’s fault for assaulting Zimmerman.
You want so desperately to believe the “poor little T & his Skillets ‘n Tea” narrative, but facts have outpaced you. Please try to get up to speed before commenting on this again.
In an unrelated news item, recently here in Minnesota two felons were arrested and wewre discovered to have guns and Ecstasy tablets in their possessions. They were discovered when they started to pray that they not be caught, referring to the guns as “straps” and the X as “skittles.”
Quit reading the MSM’s account of what happened – its loaded with bias and outright disinformation. Zimmerman DID retreat when asked to by the 911 operator – Trayvon saw him and intercepted him as he was retreating to his car. Read the police and 911 reports – and the eyewitnesses that collaborate Zimmerman’s accounting of what happened – forget the spoon-feeding of info you are getting from the MSM who are not interested in justice – only a lynching.
I’m guessing the trial won’t be held in Sanford – and wherever it is held Zimmerman will be exonerated.
And the prosecutor is looking to assemble 12 morons just like you for the jury. You’ll all swear you’re only vaguely aware of the facts, haven’t formed and conclusion, and certainly are capable of reaching a verdict based solely on the evidence adduced at trial, lying through your teeth all along. Then you’ll give the imprimatur of a jury verdict to the web of lies the race hustlers and the media have fed you. This Country simply doesn’t have a citizenry capable of self-governance anymore.
TDF, it appears as though you gathered all your evidence from your extensive investigative research conducted while watching MSNBC, NBC or CNN. You really want to sit on Zimmerman’s jury, don’t you?? Oh wait don’t go away yet, I have another question or two, are you and your bros ready too riot if he’s found NOT GULITY? Or better yet, how would like to have old Bro Rev Al Sharpton as Forman of the jury? There you go, I see you are already starting to smile. One thing more and I’ll let you go; I’d really like to know if you by chance, look like you could be Barack HUSSEIN Obama’s illegitimate son? I’ve had enough of a**holes like you, go spew your anti-white, anti-conservative raciest hate elsewhere?
The ironic part of this is that Zimmerman is only half white, even has a black grandparent; is a registered democrat and probably voted for Obama. And Obama was one of the first to lynch the guy.
That Barry HUSSEIN Soetero IDENTIFIES with a drug using gold toothed ‘gangsta wannabe’ violent THUG like Trayvon, even going so far as saying that what HIS son would look like . tells us all we need to know abot the USURPR and his moral values.
Thank you. There have been so many dumb comments made by dumb and vile humans regarding George Zimmerman’s truly perilous and precarious position — if ever citizenry meant for naught, just look at Zimmerman’s current plight of the last three months.
The dumbest of the dumb comments/a fully staged comment at the White House as a respond to a staged question by a White House MSM assigned reporter: “If I had a son, he would look like Trayvon.”
Yeah.
Way to put both feet in mouth.
We have a POTUS who wants to claim a thug drug dealing 17 year old who is in his second high school, suspended from that high school (and not for the first time). A teen with a criminal record. A teen already known by the local police.
Way to go, POTUS.
Anybody seen Trayvon’s high school transcript?
1. “the Kid” was bigger and stronger than George. He was not a kid, but a young male thug.
2. The truth is George was doing exactly as the dispatcher told him to do.
3. The Thug attacked George without provocation. George has a right to be there and to be doing what he was doing. George did not in any way threaten the Thug.
4. You sir/maam are woefully ignorant of the facts of the case. I live and work in and around Sanford. This neighborhood has had a major problem with break ins and burglaries. This is not a “white” neighborhood, but is a normal community of hardworking middle class people of mixed races that get along and look out for each other.
5. You should do some serious research into the Thug’s background.
6. The SFPD is not a agency with a good reputation in the community. The “investigator” in question was moved to protect the city from litigation and exposure. Quaint little town it aint.
So Mr TDF, let’s say that I – stronger and taller than you – punch you in the face, knock you to the ground. While you’re laying there on your back I straddle your chest and use the entire weight of my body to pin you to the ground. I then begin to repeatedly slam your head against the concrete.
Every thug within 10 city blocks of you will be delighted to know that you feel defending yourself with a firearm under those circumstances is ‘excessive force’.
“Gun control – that strange liberal notion that a woman found dead in an ally raped and then strangled with her own pantyhose is morally superior to the live woman explaining to the policeman how her attacker got that bullet hole.”
We’re all missing the point – regardless of the action, once Martin became aware of the gun, it was shoot or be shot. Once the gun was within Martin’s reach, there was no such thing as excessive force.
What about the excessive use of force by his assailant?
Geez…get your head out of your anus.
That’s precisely their problem. Their sphincter is so tight around their neck, there’s no circulation for cognitive function.
Said by the idiot who’s never been in a fist fight.
Sorry, bub, but someone who has you on the ground and is beating you about the head is endangering your life.
Real fights don’t happen like on TV. When someone’s pounding your head into the ground, it’s survival. The problem is we don’t know what happened that night. Did Zimmerman try to constrain Martin’s movements by cutting him off from where he wanted to go or even touching him, or did Martin cop an attitude and initiate contact. That’s your guilty/not guilty right there. Everything else is irrelevant. No laws were broken until some kind of battery happened.
TDF,
Have you ever been in a fight before in your life? There is no such thing as “excessive force” when your life is threatened, period. Someone is trying to kill me, then all bets are off, i’m going home. That other person made the choice when they attacked, not the guy defending himself.
Baby Trayvon probably thought Zimmermann was five o ,coming to jack his ice.
Translation: when black, teenage thugs are trying to kill you, do not, ever, under any circumstances, use deadly force. Instead, use your cell phone to take a picture of your killer as they murder you so the police can identify them after you are dead. What is important here is the furtherance of racial harmony; if a white-looking person’s right to survival comes in conflict with the protection of black thugs, the best the person gets is pepper spray, anything stronger might ignite racial tensions. White-looking people must remain supplicant, and should be willing to see the big picture here; some of them won’t make it, but they should console themselves that their deaths will further a noble cause.
EXACTLY!!!! Well said. It is clear to me this is a simple case of the left’s war on self defense. We are not ALLOWED to defend ourselves. Ever. If a black person wants to hurt you, you better let yourself be hurt. Otherwise, you’re a racist, and you deserve to die.
“What about the use of excessive force on Zimmerman’s part? A gun up against skittles and Ice Tea (which was NOT reported as stolen!) Couldn’t Zimmerman have pepper sprayed the kid or put him in an arm lock instead of resorting to the use of his firearm? Didn’t Zimmerman directly disregard the 911 operator’s request that he stay in his car in the first place?
Zimmerman’s account simply does not add up.”
Your post is inflammatory and prejudicial. Since Zimmerman is the only involved with the event, his testimony is the only one available. Many men are rotting in jail convicted not by evidence but by one woman’s tearful accusation. We don’t question them, why do you assume Zimmerman is lying?
If Martin had had a knife, would Zimmerman have been justified in shooting him in that position? Of course he would. When your head is repeatedly smacked into a concrete sidewalk, that is assault with a weapon just as deadly as any knife. Any single hit could result in death and Zimmerman was 100% justified in using deadly force regardless of what preceeded it.
Nobody wants to kill another human being and ruin their own life in the process. A law abiding, concealed permit holder will back away from a confrontation to maintain the ability to draw and fire if needed. He would not allow himself to be punched in the face and his head driven into the concrete if he could avoid it by retreating. Zimmerman was confronted and attacked unexpectedly and he defended his life with the weapon he properly carried for that purpose.
How do you put somebody in an arm lock when they’re beating your head on the sidewalk? If Trayvon Martin was reaching for Zimmerman’s gun, why would Zimmerman reach for a spray can? For God’s sake, THINK!
To paraphrase: “Never bring a spray can to a gun fight.”
Racists don’t think, as far as they are concerned the only possible acceptable outcome between Treyvon Martin and George Zimmerman would have been for Treyvon to have killed George Zimmerman. Where upon Treyvon would have been expected, no demanded by these racists to be treated as a juvenile unaccountable for his actions and released to prey upon society again.
Dorian, so true, and only in our country does such a thug get second and third and fourth and fifty chances by lawyers paid to plead him out, on our funds.
But again, who would you rather be in your neighborhood, zimmerman or Trayvon. And since records seem to indicate crime in his neighborhood, who do you want looking out for your welfare.
And why did the police take so long to respond?????????
And maybe if the witness that ran to call for police had a weapon, he could have defused the whole situation.
So where I sit, this calls for more private citizens to be harmed.
We can plea for logical thought all we wish – but the MSM and the leftists and race baiters in this country have already passed judgement on Zimmerman – now they only want to ‘pull the lever’ on the electric chair. Justice in America has come to this. At least for race based cases. Pawning off Trayvon as a 12 year old kid as innocent as the driven snow has been shown to be anything but that. He was a punk kid with a tendency to bullying. Something our President says he hates – but what is the attitude by the MSM and these lefty loons if it isn’t bullying??? There is no thought for fairness and justice for Zimmerman – they just want an eye for an eye – and it seems any eye will do.
Even if Zimmerman is successfully lynched, does anyone think the savages will be satisfied?
Not for one second.
They would stand over Zimmerman’s desecrated remains and claim it was Zimmerman’s fault all this happened. Further, they would rant about social justice – as if such a thing exists as anything more than a code phrase for reverse oppression – and urge a race-riot in celebration.
OK, maybe I’m getting just a little bitter.
BITTER? Nah; Just that fertilizer the MSM is jamming down your throat coming back up.
To further your scenario, THEY WILL SUE FOR REPARATIONS AND DEMAND ATONEMENT.
That oughta make you regurgitate a little more bile.
This era of our history is going to make an epic movie some day. No one has the wildest imagination it takes to make this stuff up. And the movie will have the viewers shaking their heads so much, they’ll need corrective orthopedic surgery.
Don’t forget that the DA provided the court and judge with an affidavit that ommitted much of the medical and investigative finds you mentioned. In other words the DA intentially and knowingly told “half the truth.” Instead of looking at bail revocation and how to handle this case properly, the judge is now looking at ways to find zimmerman guilty in spite of the evidence. This case is identical to the Duke Lacrosse team case where they were prosecuted and later vindicated–AND the DA was later disbarred in disgrace! Remember too the 80 Duke faculty members who protested wanting “justice.” Yeh we would like to see our court’s become less racist against innocent white people for once.
Let’s not forget the other lynchers.
This is in the link — “Santorum: Zimmerman ‘has a very sick mind,’ motive ‘a malicious one’”
http://dailycaller.com/2012/03/25/santorum-zimmerman-has-a-very-sick-mind-motive-a-malicious-one/
So this means that Santorum is an immoral lyncher personality just like Obama. And Santorun claims to be Christian. What a joke. He is no more a Christian than is Obama. In fact, he sank even lower than Obama. Has Santorum even apologized and asked for Zimmerman’s and Christ’s forgiveness? Santorum has revealed his soul and like Obama’s, it is a very dark one.
“He who is without sin cast the first stone”
Are you capable of seeing that you have just done what you accuse Santorum of doing.
I don’t see what is not there. Doing that is called delusion. There is no similarity as I am just sighting what Santorium himself said, not making things up as Santorium did.
“He who is without sin cast the first stone” does not mean that Santorium or Obama or Islam, etc are not to be criticized or have their own words reported on.
Santorum is certainly capable of bad judgement and being misled by the media, as were Bush/Quayle with Rodney King. But Obama/Holder have a pattern.
NOTHING about this contrived set up against Zimmerman surprises me. Nothing.
I am all too familiar with the Israeli ‘justice’ system twisting events-even manufacturing evidence!-to effectuate a PC biased result.They are the bane of the nationalist sector in Israel.They are relentless.
As I have stated at this blog (and elsewhere), leftists will do whatever it takes to achieve their ends, the ends ALWAYS justifies the means. Lest aggrieved Americans believe that it is their cross to bear alone,think again. Our resident leftist, social engineering legal fiefdom can run circles around your American busy beavers, teaching your legal eagles how to subvert justice-as long as it is against the preferred nationalist target!
My blog is brimming with my commentaries and op-eds on this subject, some may demur, too much so. Golly gee,is it my fault that leftists-world over-feel entitled to subvert justice to justify their ends? I don’t think so!
So, you may want to check out these few goodies-
‘Leftist Treachery?Good.Nationalist Patriotism?Bad.Thus,’Justice’In The HolyLand Is Both Predictable & Ideological’, (click the embedded links in the articles)
‘Happy Fourth of July.Patriotic Marching Orders’,
‘Arab Bedouin Land Theft & THEIR Outrage….Always The Victim’,
‘Leftist Dogma The Same World Over….Freedom Loving People, Beware’,
‘Is Justice Ideologically Blind In Israel, or not? -(the TOP link at this article is critical to understand, it is mindnumbing)
As such, not only do I empathize, but living in the heart of the barbaric Middle East leaves little time to escape the madness.
Go to -http://www.adinakutnicki.com, make sure to sit down with a good snack,you will need it to keep up your spirits, while reading the jaw droppers within!
“ADINA”;
Where is your input at the article “Yasir Arafat Is Still Dead and We Know Who Really Did Him In.” by Barry Rubin?
Here’s the link, buddy;
http://pjmedia.com/barryrubin/2012/07/06/yasir-arafat-is-still-dead-and-we-know-who-really-did-him-in/#comment-202443
PLEASE, PLEASE, shed some light for us!
Cybergeezer,I was going to comment on this issue, but I didn’t feel the need to recreate the wheel. But thanks for asking for my input.
Simply put,I am in agreement with Barry, regarding his basic premise. It is primarily another recycled blood libel, based on the mother of all libels-the anti-semite’s/anti-Zionist’s old refrain/hallucination, that Jews have been poisoning the well from time immemorial.
Thus, they must be destroyed. End of the ‘Jewish problem’.
When this is all over and Mr Zimmerman is exonerated, I sincerely hope that he makes ABC, NBS, CBS, Officer Serino, Jessie Jackson, Al Sharpton, New Black Panthers, etc pay dearly.
Don’t forget the members of the racist congressional black caucus.
The claims that Zimmerman should not have used lethal force because the injuries suffered were not life threatening are laughable. What should he have done? Said “Wait a minute, I need a Doctors opinion how serious the injuries are so I can decide whether or not to shoot you”?
I agree and I suppose that the liberal wimps would have a person wait until that back of their skull was turning to mush before declaring that their life was in danger. I wonder how long a liberal lying on his back with his head being pounded to pieces would wait to pull and fire his gun? And once TM saw the gun it was literally a race to see who got to it first. Is there any doubt what TM would have done if he had reached it first? Is it too much to ask that you, the bleeding liberal, put yourself in GZ’s place and ask what you would do in the same circumstance?
Would it be to snarky to say that liberals wouldn’t be in as big danger since there is no chance of brain injury in their case?
No, but a liberal wouldn’t be in this precarious place on back on the concrete because, well, how often do they sign up for (freely volunteer) for neighborhood watch. Particularly when the ‘hood’ is a known dangerous one.
Seriously, liberals want to tell us that “boys” like Trayvon are just out getting iced tea.
{An aside: Does anyone really believe that a 17 year old like Trayvone drinks iced tea as a beverage of choice? He’d go out of his way to purchase this beverage at a 7/11?]
Liberals would be encouraging the Trayvons to loot/pillage the place/neighborhood — so long as it was not their place. After all, this is part of social justice. (“Steal from the ‘rich,’ give to the poor.”)
Even better Sandy…what most people don’t realize is that the famous Skittles ans Arizona Iced Tea that our young hero Trayvon had just purchased are commonly used for less-than-innocent purposes–they can be mixed together with Robitussin to form a street drink known as “Lean” or “Purple Drank”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Purple_drank
Little Trayvon didn’t have a sweet tooth; homeslice was out to ‘get his drank on.’
Why would detective Serino go so overboard to railroad Zimmerman? That’s what doesn’t compute to me. The rest of the details are all stacking up nicely and logically, and pointing to Zimmerman’s innocence, but I don’t understand why an experienced cop would put his own personal butt on the line to try to set up this guy. The only reasons I can come up with are: (1) he’s anti-Semitic and was out to get the Jew, (2) he’s related to Treyvon Martin somehow, or (3) he saw a way to make a chunk of change either through bribery by the Martin family or starring in his own movie of the week. The district attorney I accept as just being a dumb bimbo who temporarily got power hungry and will suffer the consequences, but is Serino just a dumb bimbo, too?
The answer probably lies in George Zimmerman’s advocacy for the black guy that got beaten up by the Sanford PD awhile back. Zimmerman made quite the impression on them, I’m sure, and when the opportunity arose, the officer in question decided to deliver a little of what he thought was karmic justice.
I’ll be damned if I understand why Zimmerman trusted the Sanford PD to do the right thing in his case–He’d already seen what they did in that other one, the one he was handing out flyers protesting. Did he think he’d get different treatment?
I agree.
Kirk, thanks for that info. The only answer I could come up with was Rodney King. I kept thinking the Sanford PD wasn’t sure it could handle the reaction to a dismissal of charges in this case.
Unfortunately, it also is why I fear Zimmerman will ultimately be convicted. Mob rule is the new justice.
Speculation: In 42 years of law enforcement, in Los Angeles, I sometimes encountered Serino-type approaches when detectives who saw themselves as latinos found themselves investigating accused latinos. Fearful that they might be accused of racial favoritism they sometimes took the opposite tack, and became overly aggressive and unreasonably accusatory toward the suspects.
His department has already found Serino at fault and, in effect, “has him walking a beat in Pudunk Center”. Policemen, at all levels, must follow the facts. Feelings/theories which do not follow the facts are necessarily false.
Mr. Zimmerman has not got the physical or emotional capacity to function even as a volunteer watchman. He can’t play guard for the Cowboys, either. Not his fault. But he should stay away from activities for which he is not qualified.
And, just my thought, all policemen should carefully consider the professional and moral quality of the prosecutors they serve, lest a Judas in the bunch betray them.
Poor George Zimmerman, clearly the victim in this whole sordid affair. Its really too bad we can’t bring Treyvon Martin back to life so we can make him pay for causing Zimmerman so much trouble. George Zimmerman, American hero!
My first reaction to your comment is, “Oh, shut up.” If this shooting had been happened in the normal way, it would all be sad, but very few people would have the faintest idea who George Zimmerman is.
Zimmerman’s not a hero. He seems like a very nice man who wanted to look after his neighbors and leave the world a better place than he found it. He got caught in an unfortunate incident, and had to kill a young man.
He didn’t choose to bring in the race-baiters, the media sharks or the sensation-seeking blogosphere. Zimmerman’s just the guy caught in the toils.
So shut up. I’m really tired of people trying to make a man who had to make a dreadful decision sound like the publicity seeking jerk that Trayvon Martin’s parents seem to be.
He didn’t make a dreadful mistake. As stated before, once Martin saw the gun and went for it it was either kill or be killed. I dont’see how he had a choice.
I don’t think Zimmerman made a mistake. I think he had to make the terrible decision to take a life. The evidence I have seen makes me believe he was justified.
It’s a dreadful thing to have to kill. George Zimmerman had to make that decision; in any reasonable world, this would never be turned into this mad hunt for some reason to turn a baying pack loose on him!
If Trayvon hadn’t been a wannabe gangster, doper, thief, in the process of casing his next heist, and a hopped up kid with an attitude and sub-zero IQ, he would be alive today.
Wannabe gangsta killed by wannabe cop. That sums it up I guess.
Well, if you’re going to throw in your two cents on Trayon…
Zimmerman crossed the line from being a community watch person to a loose cannon. He seems every bit the type of wannabe cops I worked with for four years in retail security.
Wannabe cops who meant well had taken courses in law enforcement, but who ran after thieving crackheads and jumped in front of cars, taking stupid risks that left real officers shaking their heads as they wrote up reports.
I blame the conceal carry permits that get passed out like candy. If George had been open carrying I doubt this situation would have occurred.
Owning a gun for personal protection and following good common sense self defense is a world away from playing cops and robbers because you’ve got a loaded gun.
Do you have a Florida CCW? I do. You speak from ignorance.
You prefer open carry? Had Zimmerman been carrying openly, he would then be accused of being a wanna-be cop, swaggering around with a gun on his hip, and trying to terrify people. Note, Zimmerman _left_the_gun_in_his_holster_ until the very last. No “wanna-be cop” would do that. Note also the poor visability. You are sure that the wanna-be criminal (Martin) would have noticed it?
You compare Zimmerman to “Wannabe cops who meant well had taken courses in law enforcement, but who ran after thieving crackheads and jumped in front of cars, taking stupid risks that left real officers shaking their heads as they wrote up reports.”? Exactly how? He was acting more like the store clerks who try to quietly follow a suspected shoplifter around the store.
“I blame the conceal carry permits that get passed out like candy.”
And I blame the flies buzzing around the feedlot that cause all the piles of cow dung all over the place.
/liberal logic.
The rest of your irrational screed is not worth responding to.
Of course, Lefty, and we all know how supportive “Lefties” are of actual policemen who shoot young thugs. Don’t leftists in those cases in fact say and do exactly the same thing? The criminal is the victim and the cops are racists. Zimmerman would have received the same political and media treatment if he was a cop. Remember Cornell West? As I recall, Obama also jumped in and reflexively spewed his inappropriate racialism in response to that incident too.
Break free of the mob and exercise a little independent judgment. This case is going to trial and the best the prosecution can hope for is a hung jury. Too much reasonable doubt.
Martin had the time and the opportunity to have gone to the house. He CHOSE to confront Zimmerman. He CHOSE to assault Zimmerman.He CHOSE to continue that assault after finding Zimmerman armed. Your comment shows you to be ignorant as to what licensed carry entails and what Florida’s SYG law’s threshold is for the use of force.
No big deal, people who self-identify with the LEFT aren’t expected to know their ass from a hole in the ground.Lowered expectations and all.
To quote Barack Obama freely: If I had a son, he would look like the prosecution’s case against George Zimmerman.
You mean he would have been an abortion?
You may have something there. Barracky boy DID seem sad when he made that statement. Maybe there was a son they ABORTED!
But, National Security, and of course Executive Privilege, deems that story shall forever be hermetically sealed in a #2 mason jar in the basement of Ripley’s Museum.
Only the National Enquirer has worms that can access that place.
EH!!! The comment system is backing up.
Now, thats a really mean thing to say about the decedent!
There’s even more good news for George Zimmerman. According to a report in the Daily Rash, the New Black Panthers have retracted their bounty on Zimmerman and will instead use the money to visit Disney World. http://www.thedailyrash.com/new-black-panthers-use-bounty-money-for-trip-to-disney-world
Good thing Mickey and Minnie are black.
The M & M Mice couple are only half black. Ergo they’re still vulnerable. Still could be potential victims of Panther violence. Sad that Disney can’t ID these visiting Panthers and refuse them entry. I mean, known domestic criminals and terrorists being granted access to a public park? So they get unhindered access to the freetime pleasures that hardworking Americans rarely (but if once in life) get to enjoy? Isn’t this public endangerment?
It was Serino, probably under the influence of Crump, who came up with the notion that a case could be made against Zimmerman on the theory that he neglected opportunities to “avoid” or “defuse” the situation, thereby “setting in motion” an unfortunate “series of events.” One of these “opportunities” was failing to “engage” Martin before he fled down the walkway. Yeah, sizing up the 6 ft. hooded youth in the 7-11 video, I can’t imagine why, in the dark, in a high-crime area, Zimmerman didn’t roll his window down and say “Good evening, young man, I’m with ‘neighborhood watch,’ mind telling me why you were looking into that house back there?” (For the ‘into,’ see the reconstruction video at the 1 minute mark.) To Serino’s chagrin, I’m sure, this sort of “reasoning” plays no part in the state’s theory of the case. During the bond hearing, De La Rionda made clear the prosecution will try to show that Zimmerman chased Martin down: “He [Zimmerman] chases him down and at some point the victim does hit him.” This is certainly a curious way to put it, since it suggests the state intends to argue that it ultimately makes no difference who struck the first blow. We are further given to understand that Zimmerman here acted in defiance of a “police directive” to “stand down.” De La Rionda was very sparse with clues about how he intends to prove this. He made vague references to “inconsistencies” in Zimmerman’s statements, which struck me as odd, because he was also insisting that those statements couldn’t come into evidence, unless Zimmerman took the stand. He made passing reference to Dee Dee, but seemed disinclined to open that can of worms.
These considerations may have little logical relation to the self-defense claim, but it is perhaps not unreasonable to assume that a jury will be less likely to let Zimmerman “walk” if they feel he did in fact “chase down” Martin. There would here seem to be a gaping hole in the state’s case. I think it doubtful that they will depend on a witness who kept her mouth shut for three weeks after learning that her friend had been killed by (using her words) some “creepy,” “crazy” White man, and who was “discovered” by Crump only after the 911 recordings were released. The “inconsistency” methodology, thus far, doesn’t look promising. It is proposed that doubt about the “real” reason Zimmerman walked east to the intersecting street, after seeing Martin flee south, justifies the conclusion that conjecture can be substituted for everything he says. Doesn’t work for me.
After all this time, anyone who does not see this for the set-up to appease the racist left that it is has got seriously diminished mental capacities. Zimmerman will never get a fair trial in Sanford and poor Trayvonn’s parents who only want justice are just waiting to see which side wins so they can sue someone in civil court for some jackpot justice. Fail Burton has it right – all you can do is keep moving and stay ahead of them. If you defend yourself they’ll sue you for everything you’ll ever make because they are special – they can try to rob or kill you but if you kill them in the process they’ll sue you for them trying to hurt you in the first place. It’s all your fault you RACISTS! YES WE CAN! HOPE AND CHANGE! THE POLICE ACTED STUPIDLY! Yeah….whatever, I’m sick to my *ss of all of you worthless democrat oxygen thiefs.
Actually the interrogation techniques used by Detective Serino are standard practice.
The idea is to see if the suspect will change his story when he is presented with the possibility that there is other information that might show differently.
This is the only reply on point.
Mr. Zimmerman’s conduct has been ill advised since he was brought in for questioning. I do not think he will be convicted based on what is in the public record, but he has been his own worse enemy. I have been told by investigating police that they regularly lie about vital facts in order to smoke out the suspect. A policeman who lies to a suspect does not commit any crime. The reverse is not true. Example: What is your net worth Mr. Zimmerman? A dumb lie sent him to jail.
Whether Serino lied or not, will be tested while he is under oath, where his options carry consequences. We will learn.
At this point, we can be certain that Zimmerman has gotten a raw deal by a biased national media. This worries me the most, because there is no sanction against lying reporters. Example: Dan Rather and the false George Bush military service expose in the middle of a hot campaign. Gotcha reporting works.
In the Zimmerman case, the person to watch is the prosecutor. She has been strongly criticized by veteran attorneys as presenting a charge without any evidence to back it. Lawyers predict she may lose her license; it is that egregious. The question is why? Why do pros do stupid things?
We have learned and will learn more. I believe that more shoes will drop. We do not have the whole truth, and nothing but the truth.
I don’t know why pros do stupid things, but anybody who calls up Harvard Law and tries to get Dershowitz disciplined for editorializing has to have a few lock washers rattling around where they don’t belong.
In the meantime, Zimmerman is in jail, and hos wife is charged with a crime. They may yet face charges even if he is found inncoent. (Who does he think he is? Bill Clinton? More like Scooter Libby.) His life and his family’s life have been badly hurt. I hope and pray his marriage comes out intact.
Can we include Obama in the lkynch-mob with his description of Zimmerman as a “White Hyspanic”?
Will rope burns on his hands be good enough?
Reading some of the Zimmerman used excessive force comments is painful.
I’m reminded of an argument against compromise that I often use, especially when some is talking about Islam.
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O.K. You want to compromise? This is how it goes. The Islamist wants to kill you because you are not Muslim. You want to be left alone. So, what do you offer him? Split it down the middle and let him beat you half to death?
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So, how many times should you let a thug slam your head into a sidewalk before you shoot him? Less then one as far as I’m concerned. Zimmerman waited too long before shooting. But, because he waited too long, he’ll eventually end up walking free after being found not guilty.
Watch for this. If Zimmerman is found guilty then NBC’s Brian Williams will simply state that the jury has returned a verdict of guilty. If he is found not guilty then Williams will state that the jury has returned a “controversial verdict” of not guilty. He will have to leave that little edge of doubt in there so as to keep the race pot boiling.
There’s your evidence the media types like Williams, and the race industry leaders, are playing these people like chumps for the purpose of creating “news”.
What will happen to this rogue prosecutor? She is supposed to be sworn to uphold the law and punish those who break it, right? Impartial? Justice is blind? What happens to her when it is proven that she intentionally ignored and/or suppressed evidence that would exonerate or in the least support Zimmerman’s account? Is not evidence suppression a crime, or at least professional misconduct on some level?
The PD declined to prosecute based on the evidence, but hellllll no that wouldn’t do – let’s call the Federal Department of Justice and look into “hate crimes”. The feds find just the right prosecutor, tell her if she makes this case there could be some good things for her in the future, get Al “the bigot” Sharpton to come muaaarch, have NBC and others fabricate tapes to mislead the public, bring in the freaking black damn panthers of all people to stir the pot……..what happens to the prosecutor besides public humiliation? Does she face any prison time for trying to take away this man’s freedom? Can a case be made against whomever contacted and encouraged her to do such a despicable thing??
Richard Jewell sued the media for millions….hope you do too, George. Hint: you better hurry up and sue NBC though, they may not be around long after this.
“What will happen to this rogue prosecutor?”
She’ll be made Attorney General in an upcoming Democrat administration. Yes, I know she claims to be a Republican.
What’s concerning about this case is the ease with which the ‘black’ community went Africanized honey bees in their response to a white(hispanic) killing a black. Should we now take their ‘ease-to-incite’ trait into all dealings with them going Forward? And why? Because they can rally behind color?
This is too reminiscent of the response by a certain religion to cartoon depictions of their prophet. Perhaps this collective outrage has it’s place in
the plains of Africa or on the dunes of the Middle East, but Florida, USA? What is common to both is a willful rejection of objectivity and the embrace of mob induced rage. Sweet.
And boyhowdy, didn’t the voices of reason and calm descend from politicians (NOT) as the President and others in Congress weighed in. Stir-up this particular nest and the Queen Bee herself will set-aside egg laying/golfing/fundraising long enough to sting you herself!
For a people no-doubt tired of social injustice with a history of slavery and lynching, this is no way to improve relations- by politically lynching a defendant with the expectation of a guilty verdict (or riots may ensue) who may have acted in self-defense to preserve his life.
Society would benefit as well if the ball-and-chain of “racism” were removed from it’s every move toward real ‘equality’. Imagine what a bump the economy might make, if tomorrow, a bunch of folks decided to no longer be a drag on it. First, no one would know who George Zimmerman is and second, Treyvon might have been in bed ’cause his boss wanted him at work by 7AM. Imagine too, if the 2nd amendment were in full-effect how crime would plummet (especially in areas with strict gun controls) and the new respect bangas and killas would give ‘regular’ folk. Why, they might even seek shelter in jail occasionally to avoid the repercussions to their evil ways.
The racial project is at the moral core of radical leftist thought, and, to the leftist, deserves special reverence; to whit, nothing is more important than the lives of blacks–even if they are violent, murderous predators; it’s not their fault, institutional racism made them that way. If it comes down to a decision between white-looking people defending themselves, even in a life-and-death situation, and the life of a black thug, to the leftist, the only defense a white person has is to run away. If they cannot run away, they must beg for their lives, or call the police. White people may not shoot black people, ever, under any circumstance, because it ultimately sets back the racial project.
There may be special cases, however, where a leftist white person may be forgiven for shooting a black conservative; nothing is worse to a leftist than a black person not adhering to the strict tenants of the racial project.
Ubu, whatever he was, fool, messed up teenager, I don’t think this kid Trayvon Martin was a predator.
ALSO: don’t forget that it was *the cops* who told Zimmerman to stay away and not to follow the kid. So by your analysis, that makes the cops out to be leftist racists. Sorry, that does not compute.
For the record, I wish that none of these race-baiting gamers like Al Sharpton had shown up. Plenty of black people here in Florida were NOT happy that Sharpton horned in.
I hope the ordinary trial process, adversarial and all that, will get the truth out clearly for everyone to see. I could be wrong, but I expect Zimmerman to get convicted of manslaughter, and then the judge can make a just sentence.
“ALSO: don’t forget that it was *the cops* who told Zimmerman to stay away and not to follow the kid.”
Never happened.
If the case against Zimmerman is so solid, why do you need to lie?
Because the truth effectively ends the charade of racism and the gravy train of government hand outs for the aggrieved and suffering in this ‘downright mean country.’
Justice For Trayvon apparently strikes again, a white woman shot dead by four blacks she confronted who were speeding…well okay, maybe they just didn’t want to be late for their community volunteer assignments; fatten up those college applications, don’t you know.
Rob man, the dispatcher told him not to follow. Check the link, middle of the article.
Here is a timeline,
http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2012-05-21/news/os-trayvon-sanford-police-timeline-20120521_1_special-prosecutor-angela-corey-timeline-investigator-chris-serino
Man, if Zimmerman had waited three minutes, that kid would be alive, because the cops got there. Lord have mercy.
A dispatcher is not a cop. The dispatcher did not tell or order Zimmerman to not follow, but that following was not necessary.
The ended up 35 feet from Zimmerman’s car. After a foot chase that lasted how long?
Wow. You really think Zimmy had three minutes left to him after Martin saw the gun? No, of course not, what you really think is that a young black thug’s life is more valuable than a semi-white person’s.
Or maybe you think he should have waited three minutes before being attacked?
Also, if you look at the timeline you linked, it’s actually ten minutes.
Tell me, honestly, what do you think Martin would have done if Zimmerman hadn’t shot him? What would have happened if Martian had gotten the gun first? Do you really believe that Martian would have just held him and quietly waited for the police to arrive? Or maybe you think Martian would have just gotten up and said, “ok, it’s been fun, see ya later”.
Willy P, I have to laugh. You guys defend Zimmerman like Nancy Pelosi defending Bill Clinton’s perjury. How about the meaning of “is” — when do you dissect that one on Zimmerman’s behalf?
As for what Trayvon Martin could’ve done, that is woulda-coulda-shoulda type argumentation, which I would expect from some purple jersey-wearing Heidi-hair fan of the Minnesota Wipings. Toughen up, buttercup. The judge cannot go by that kind of speculation in court. It is worthless.
Sounds like a predator to me, X, maybe a jr. Predator, or predator in-training. Kick this man’s ass and it gets the ball rolling; next move up to bigger game and attack in packs. I never roamed around at night looking for people to attack, so maybe I don’t understand the ritual. Must be a cultural thing.
I don’t have to do anything a dispatcher (read: police secretary) tells me to do, and am under no legal obligation to do so. That’s why I live where I do. Here, we take responsibility for our own self-preservation and our property, and, as a result, things are quiet, pleasant, polite and crime-free.
If I live in a neighborhood, and have agreed, along with my neighbors, to walk the neighborhood and watch for anything suspicious, and I see what Zimmerman saw, at that time of night, in the rain, I’d walk right up to the man, introduce myself, and ask him his business here. And I have every goddamned right to do just that. If that man responds by attacking me the way Trayvon apparently did Zimmerman, I’d likely put one in his chest, same as George did. I do not have to wait for some intermediary, or ask the permission of a policeman who could barely get through high-school to defend myself.
BTW, the police are largely useless anyway. By the time the shit hits the fan, they are still 5, 10, or 20 minutes away. Also, the police, depending where you live, do not support what I said above; they believe that only they possess the right to carry arms or, even worse, to use them; regular people do not deserve that right in the minds of most police administrators (I know many of the rank-and-file feel otherwise). That’s why their rotten unions are always fighting for more gun control, demanding that good people not be able to defend themselves; they claim, wrongly, to have a monopoly on the use of deadly force, or any force. The police here, as in Europe, want a passive, cowed, disarmed populace that relies entirely on a bunch of government employees for their safety–and what the populace will get, just like they got in London, is roaming gangs of thugs who steal and attack with impunity.
So, yes, the police in most cities do support the black racist project; the entire departments have been turned upside down to remove any and all officers who do not tow the PC line. The best you will get from them is a nice eulogy over your grave about how you did the right thing and called 911. Let the police handle it, you’re not properly trained.
As the great Blackstone rightly understood, my great and primary rights are personal security, personal liberty, and private property, and no gaggle of university professors or craven police busy-bodies will alter those one iota while I’m still breathing. And I do not have to depend on a police officer to secure those, I take full responsibility for that, thank you.
What this is really about is whether we are going to be told what to do and how we must do it by a bunch of social engineers who really could care less if you wind up a casualty. They want to tell us what our path of retreat must be when confronted with a thug looking to lay on a beating. The leftist establishment demands that I run away, hide, plead for my life, anything but return fire. What Zimmerman represents, as did Bernie Goetz a couple decades ago, is someone who was sick and tired of relying on the do-nothings and losers in the police force, and decided to look out for his own property, and had to defend his life in the process.
This case has finally opened the raw nerve at the root here between the black community and their ongoing refusal to come to grips with the violent crime in their neighborhoods, and the rest of society that isn’t going to be guilted into backing down or backing away. The way forward is going to get a lot worse before it gets better.
Uburoisc, an awesome post. The best one on this entire page. The best of the day and better than the article itself.
You do indeed have every right to properly, politely and openly patrol your neighborhood, acting properly (as you used in your example) when confronting someone who clearly does not belong or seems clearly up to something improper.
I am tired of people saying that George Zimmerman was a busybody just looking to get into a scrap. That is so wrong. He’s the kind of guy I want living in my neighborhood.
And you are right to point out that the liberal police and, worse, police unions are aiming to disarm us, undo the 2d Amendment. One of the reasons we must have the right to bear arms (and bear them) is to keep the police honest with us the good citizenry.
Thank you for pointing out that far too many policemen (and very fat policewomen) just barely passed out of high school. I see a lot of that these days — out on the streets when I observe policemen in their duties.
To those who are still attempting to argue that Zimmerman was in no mortal danger because young Trayvon didn’t have a weapon, I would refer you to the recent case in Texas of the young father who discovered a guy molesting his daughter and proceeded to bring the sexual predator to room temperature. The father also had no weapon but, from the admittedly limited reports I’ve seen, he seems to have accomplished his task with far fewer blows than Trayvon delivered at Mr. Zimmerman.
I firmly believe that Pam Bondi and Angela Corey should be investigated for Prosecutorial Misconduct. These giddy girls are like two eight graders at the mall each with $100 bucks. In retrospect I don’t know what got Mike Nifong’s undies in a bunch when he went after the Duke Lacrosse team players. But, this case reeks of political correctness fueled by a mob mentality and facilitated by some spineless prosecutors and law inforcement. I note that Mike Nifong’s approach to obtaining justice did not work out for him, and I hope that we ultimately have justice for Zimmerman. Also, it is unconscionable that the state just thinks it is fine and dandy that Zimmerman remains under death threats. “Mr. Zimmerman you have been released on bail and will be required to appear before this court in the future to answer all charges. Please don’t get killed by those who have issued death threats to you. We will really be angry if you do that.” All that is left for this Apple Dumpling Gang to do is to file charges against Zimmerman for injuring Martin’s fist with his head.
Legalize the US Constitution.
This is part of the last ditch efforts of the Obama Democrats and their criminal press and their (lL)Legal Ambulance chasers. They will stoop to any subterfuge, fabricate any slander and murder by proxy, physically and ethically. Zimmermans response should be how can I get my life back and 2 billion dollars that the liberal press owes me for bringing horrendous, egregious defamation of character that may be terminal for him. Shame on the (In)Justice Department for their renegade political hits. To all people I say we have to hold responsible those who use this to foment race war. War it is. War it shall be, unless responsible citizens stop the madness. Is this the country we leave our progeny?
In Texas than man was found guiely of murder for standing his ground. First he was than person who alway fighting with his neightor. He went over to his neight house who was haveing than noisely birthday party. He got into than verbs fight with his neight and two guest. While on his cell phone to 9-11 saying he is standing his ground then he shot his neight dead and wound the two guests inside the neight house. I wish they find Zimmerman guiely of murder.
Too bad you will never be found guilty of cogent thought or proper use of the English language.
True. However, giving Mr. Hoff the benefit of the doubt, and assuming ESL, I would like to point out that just because someone claims to be standing his ground, does not mean he is innocent under ‘stand your ground’ laws. And Zimmerman is not claiming a defense under Florida’s stand your ground law. That was more distraction thrown up by the anti-stand your ground law people and the mass media. His defense is self defense, that is to say, he believed, and had good reason to believe, his life was in danger and he was defending himself. I would suggest doing a search for more information about stand your ground laws to learn why they don’t apply in this case but fear that if your reading is on par with your writing it would be pointless.
Thank you for your accuracy on this point regarding the muddling of this case by the mean media.
WillyP,
I agree totally–FL’s SYG law was never an issue with this. Zimmerman never claimed it as part of his defense.
I tried to enter a comment, my first in several days. The system did not post it and further, it gave me no security code to question that
Just curious…were Trayvon Martin’s fingerprints found inside the recently burglarized home near the site of his death? It is not unusual for burglars to return to a place they have been previously. They often know what is worth taking by the second trip. No accusations, just curious…
When a negro wears a hood, it’s up to no good.
If it doesn’t wear a hood, it’s up to no good.
See the difference?
What the hell was that all about?
You have some liberal racism you have to get off your chest, so you come here and pose as a normal human being in hopes to make the whole board look racist?
I don’t think Zimmerman is a very likeable candidate for sympathy. Too bad he had that facial hair and was riding around with a loaded gun. He looked like a thug and some people need back up masculinity in the form of a weapon. The fact tht he is short added to his problem.
Trayvon Martin will be missed by his parents and made a fairly good subjecct for the black uprising. How quickly the Tawana Brawley mess is forgotten. Someone should compile a list, with photos, of such racial events and the ultimate ending. In Tawana’s case, she was shown to be a liar but the prosecuter’s life was already ruined.
To this distant observer in the Great White North, one factor stands out.
This detective, Serino, exhibits the behaviour of a cop defending his turf. Such folk regard self defence as “taking the law into your own hands.”
Witness the unpopularity of New York’s “Guardian Angels” with the NYPD.
When the “Guardian Angels” came up to Toronto to form a chapter the TO cops went tarpaper….
If I had a rotting corpse in my dumpster, it would look like Trayvon-it-really-smells Martin.
Enough of this dead punk already.
“An underreported fact of the investigation: the almost foolishly transparent way Zimmerman cooperated with police..”
This means little. Any sort of pathological person who is convinced of his own “facts” could transparently cooperate with cops, even if he were guilty of a crime.