that has killed more people then any other book in history, including Mein Kampf.

I would say give the west bank to the orthodox. And then give it to the Palestinians. they deserve each other.

the filth of the orthodox against gays. the orthodox who manage to forget that their very close relatives shared hitlers ovens with the gays, another group that maniac hated.

In early 2009 a couple of orthodox members of the knesset said “gays were like bird flu” A call for geneocide.

MY wife was at that time planning a trip to Israel with her temple> I refused to go and instead gave the $5000 to a gay rights group, saying that in israel something terrible would happen.

Tw0 weeks after my wife returned in late June 09, an orthodox walked into the lgbt center in Tel Aviv and killed two and wounded 9,including two paralyzed for life.

Until Israel takes the orthodox filth and sends them to hell, I am proud that I am no longer Jewish and the same re all of our children.

One would think Israelis would be different but conservatives of virtually every religiion are the criminals of the world.

Kosovar, Bosnian, and Albanian Muslims are actually quite pro-Isreal, seeing themselves in a similar position. Also, Kurds see the whole Arab-Isreali conflict as an ethnic issue, not one of religion. They’re not on the Arab side, of course.

You shouldn’t need government approval for your choice of marriage partner (or partners if you’re inclined to polygamy). It’s the state sticking its nose into the private affairs of its citizens.

If it makes you feel any better, I am a staunch supporter of Israel and have been all my life.

The second I knew about Obama’s Muslim upbringing and current involvement with anti-Israel Muslims (are there any other kind? I don’t know) I knew I could never support his candidacy because he would never support equality for gays in any practical way.

Another thing that led me to conservatism was all the research I had to do about Obama in the fall of 2008 for an e-mail discusssion I had with a Jewish friend who was passionately committed to Obama — while I was passionately committed to McCain/Palin from the moment McCain announced Gov. Palin as his VP choice. I carefully researched all of Obama’s anti-Israel positions and allies and friends and sent my friend links so she could see for herself how bad an Obama presidency would be for Israel and all Jews, but she remained devoted to Obama to a level that I finally regarded as crazy and in January I dropped the friendship. I cannot fathom how 80 percent of American Jews sold out Israel by voting for Obama.

And that is the real problem we have, the nature of the commitment has changed fundamentally and was broken at the core, long before gays even we legalised.

So, I’m not understanding why promoting marriage (or the sorry construct that is called this nowadays) undermines the little that is left of the institution, if anything gays marrying saves the taxpayer lots of money, ensures they have someone to look after them in their old age and settles them down too. In other words, marriage(or however you want to call this particular commitment) helps everyone, straight or gay and society in general.

I don’t think it’s good for kids to grow up seeing people who never bond and who are not allowed to either officially — and that broken legal structure that passes for marriage nowadays is not a good example of real marriage either: in other words, an unmarried gay couple who have been devoted to each other for 20 years are a far better example for all of us than people who nip down to Vegas for yet another marriage every 2-3 years, a ‘married’ woman whose kids are all fatherless half-siblings is a disaster for us all.

True gays don’t bring up kids, but there are plenty of childfree marriages, and no-one thinks that those people are not really married.

I personally like to see people to marry and to stay with each other so they can evolve into the full human being they should be, regardless of their sexuality, because people who have bonded with a partner properly are much nicer to have around and they are the folks in this world who usually take the adult role in life and get things done.

However, I don’t want it to be called marriage. Marriage is a load-bearing beam of our society. It is necessary to the proper upbringing of our children. The fact that marriage has become so dispensable has contributed greatly to the decay of our society. As marriage rates go down, and divorces go up, our society becomes more dysfunctional in direct relation.

So, we must build back up the value of marriage in our society to arrest the decline. We need to exalt it. People need to treat it as truly valuable. Couples need to work to make it work. We need to honor those who have held together marriages for long periods of time, so that they’ll be less likely to abandon such status.

With that premise, I say we cannot afford to water down the issue by allowing gay marriage. I want my kids to grow up seeing marriage as one thing, not as some morally equivalent thing. I want the example set properly. One can talk all one wants, but it is the deeds which children see. Men and women get married and stay married. That is the norm I want them to see and emulate. I want this to be their reality. Our society depends upon it.

Yes.