Gay Groups Ignore Cheney’s Support of Same-Sex Marriage
Former Vice President Dick Cheney hit the media spotlight with his speech at the American Enterprise Institute last month on the serious and ongoing threat terrorism poses to the United States. He defended the Bush administration’s record in the war on terror and took strong issue with some of the words and policies of the current president. The speech earned him high marks, particularly among conservatives eager to hear their ideas defended with such vigor and conviction. Then — after Cheney had burnished his conservative credentials — he showed that he does not toe the party line on all issues. Speaking on Monday at the National Press Club, he once again publicly parted company with George W. Bush on gay marriage. The former vice president reiterated a point he has made since the 2000 vice presidential debate — that we should take a federal approach to recognition of same-sex unions:
I think that freedom means freedom for everyone. And, as many of you know, one of my daughters is gay and it is something we have lived with for a long time in our family. I think people ought to be free to enter into any kind of union they wish. Any kind of arrangement they wish. The question of whether or not there ought to be a federal statute to protect this, I don’t support. I do believe that the historically the way marriage has been regulated is at the state level. It has always been a state issue and I think that is the way it ought to be handled, on a state-by-state basis. … But I don’t have any problem with that. People ought to get a shot at that.
Citing these remarks at the left of center Huffington Post, Sam Stein said the Republican former vice president had taken “a position that places him at a more progressive tilt than President Obama.” Yet while liberal bloggers are taking note of Cheney’s “progressive” stand, the various gay organizations which have been at the forefront of the efforts to secure recognition of same-sex marriage in states across the country have been silent.
“Gay Groups Ignore Cheney’s Support of Same-Sex Marriage”
But of course, they are more left than gay.
Yours, TDP, ml, msl, & pfpp
Perhaps the Pink Pistols are centered enough to recognize him?
TDP, ml, msl, & pfpp
Progressives and leftists of all stripes from Jon Stewart on down have long demonized Mr. Cheney as the Antichrist or perhaps some secular equivalent thereof. Therefore, ipso facto, whatever the former VP says is evil, full stop, regardless of whether or not his stances happens to mirror one of their own.
You’re assuming they’re being logical, when the truth is actually the opposite. Just another example of mass insanity taking over what’s left of our culture.
B. Daniel Blatt I think you missed it with this line: “he showed that he does not toe the party line on all”. Yes he does tow the party line and maybe thats the problem you just don’t get it and neither do a lot of others. Here’s the party line ” think that is the way it ought to be handled, on a state-by-state basis. …”. Its called federalism. Not enacted by judges but voted on by states. If the people choose it or their representatives in state government then so be it. No problem. Done.
By the way, does anyone remember the amount of money Cheney gave to charity? I remember something about it before. He blew everyone else away with the huge amount of donations he gave
These left-wing interest groups don’t really care about “rights” or “justice” for the aggrieved demographic divisions they claim to represent. A Joe Solmonese is to gays what Al Sharpton is to blacks.
Luckily for him he answered properly or he might not have won the coveted press club mug.
Federalism is real Conservatism. That paragraph quote about gay marriage is probably Cheney’s most conservative statement of the evening.
“I think that is the way it ought to be handled, on a state-by-state basis. …”
That is how I feel about abortion, healthcare, education, and everything else except national defense and foriegn policy. The federal government should be small, inexpensive, and remote.
Cheny has a right to his opinion,but conservatives have a right to a different one. The gay left does not see Chaney as an individual but as a member of a group. The opinions of an individual do not matter in their way of thinking. Also,everything is political to the left. That is why they by nature distroy rights. Nothing is off limits.
What does that last sentence in the 8th paragraph mean:
“. . .they’re more likely to listen to a man they respect than to someone who constantly them.”
The Leftists have devolved into a group of nothing more of rage, hate, & bitterness at its rotten core; therefore, they are against Dick Cheney based purely on ideology. Dick Cheney works better as a villain than an ally for them. Leftists need villains to create more victims. And victims are more potential votes for the Democrats to exploit for raw power.
“Therefore, I as Director of Health for the State of Hawai‘i [...] have personally seen and verified that the Hawai‘i State Department of Health has Sen. Obama’s original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures.”
Finding in the above (dr. Fukino’s statement) the affirmation that Barry Soetero’s original birth certificate (stored by Hawaii HD) confirms that he WAS born in Hawaii, is remarkably similar with the assertion that Cheney supports gay marriage.
Left-wing ratiocinating, hologram is your name.
“Its primary issue is advancing state recognition of same-sex marriage, but apparently its leaders didn’t think it noteworthy when a respected conservative distinguishes himself from the party which still lionizes him on their issue.”
‘Respected conservative’? Cheney?
There’s the flaw in the argument. Of course GLBT Rights’ leaders do not consider noteworthy Cheney’s views on same-sex marriage, because he is not respected except by only a small fringe Right minority.
To Gay Persons –
Obama says that the sun does not rise in the East.
Cheney says the sun rises in the East.
Liberals on Conservatives – if you can’t say anything bad, don’t say anything.
Maybe these websites mentioned ignore Cheney because he has no credibility whatsoever.
Gay groups also don’t seem to be concerned that our Dear Leader just applied for America’s membership in the ummah. I wonder if they understand that gay marriage isn’t legal in any other muslim countries, and won’t be legal here when the application process is complete?
The rainbow crowd can be a bitch to please…!
Leftists are typical narcissistic humans. I want, I want, I want is a mantra that runs through their brains nourished by a globular mass of hatred and discontent.
They’re never sure what to do when an anomaly presents itself to them, confusing their narrow tunnel vision view of life.
The wind was knocked out of them when Mr. Chaney didn’t react as expected when the left attempted to attack him by throwing his daughter under the bus, hoping he would also get crushed.
They hate him because he wasn’t fazed by their attack, and Perez Hilton asking the question at the Press Club didn’t either, giving the left all the more reason to hate him even more.
Actually, if you read his comments very careful, he was careful not to iterate a support for gay marriage. Rather, he is said he could not oppose arrangements & unions people entered into. I’m not trying to distort anything. What Dick Cheney thinks about an issue means nothing to me. But if you parse his words, he spoke of relationships. He did not say much about gay marriage itself, other than that states should vote on it. He left enough wiggling room to try not to offend his daughter & to not offend the right.
If you ask him directly if he thinks it is right, he will probably say no. Everyone can have an opinion. He has a superior amount of class however, something the left tends to lack. He said if others want to marry same sex, he would not get up and yell and scream about it. In this country freedom means the right to disagree. As for the state-by-state issue, people married in states that allow gay marriage are covered in those that don’t by Article IV of the Constitution, (Full Faith and Credit to public acts, records, and judicial proceedings). But thats not the point. The left wants everyone to accept no matter what, therefore the have to push for the law to be federal. So much for freedom, and the right to disagree peacefully and thoughtfully.
The only reason that Dick Cheney is implying that he supports of gay marriage is because of his personal circumstance, rather than any altruistic belief in equal rights for gays. For the last two months, he has been trying to salvage his legacy, which has him painted as a war profiteer, torturer and non-veteran who was too eager to send our kids off to fight an unjustified war. In the process of trying to sanitize his place in history, Cheney seems intent on undermining the President of the United States during a time of serious national crisis. The Bush/Cheney administration got so many things wrong over its 8-year tenure that one has to wonder why anybody would listen to a member of that team now.
The reason gay groups ignore Cheney is the same reason gays and feminist groups march in support with radical Muslims who, when in power, stone to death gays and enslave women – hatred of the West. Obama is the first president who is a hater of Western civilization. So, regardless of what he says, no one believes he truly means it.
JohnRJ08: Read the article. He isn’t supporting gay anything. He is supporting Federalism.
Cheney speaks like a free man and is not in lock step to the highly imaginary world of the MSM-politically-correct-thought-police. That could be their good reason to hate him with Pavlovian drooling simplicity.
MSM might be the initials for the Main Stream Media or it could respresent Metro-Sexual Media, with the chorus coming from the SQM or screaming queens media. Not everyone has ambiance you know.
As a true Constitutionalist and the mother of a gay daughter, I am in complete agreement with Cheney. It has nothing at all to do with whether I think gay marriage is right or wrong, and it has everything to do with exactly what #5 Adam and #8 Old Soldier said above.
Federalism is in direct alignment with the Constitution, and as such, it is the only legal course of action to take.
Small government = More freedom.
I think strategically this is another good move by Cheney. It seems to me that ever since he’s left office he’s managed to put more thumbs in the eyes of democrats than the whole Republican Party combined. I think the rest of the party needs to seriously take note of Cheney’s approach of turning the lefts own issues against themselves and build on it. Just as the democrat’s stance on gitmo was turned around on them by one man so can gay marriage. Kudos to Dick Cheney, The saving grace of the Republican Party.
JohnRj08:
“Cheney seems intent on undermining the President of the United States during a time of serious national crisis.”
That statement is outright laughable. Are you trying to make us believe that both Bush an Cheney haven’t spent the last 8 years being under minded by previous administrations or the entire DNC? Both Carter and Al gore have shown us the way, now sit down, shut up, and take a big spoonful of your own medicine.
I am always entertained when the left comes to face to face with the contradictions in their professed logic.
Former Vice President Cheney is very good at bringing liberals face to face with themselves. I enjoy it.
JohnRJ08:
In the process of trying to sanitize his place in history, Cheney seems intent on undermining the President of the United States during a time of serious national crisis.
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I hearby submit the above statement as undeniable proof that leftist are suffering from severe mental disorder.
Curious.Parrells made about Bush /Cheney to Star wars Emperor/Vader is quite wrong.According to lore the Sith naturally use their emotions for their strength.While jedi tend to use logic and reason,controlling emotion.The Left exploits emotion to a high degree ,while conservatives use logic and reason.
Just something ive noticed from this perspective.
Former Vice President Cheney is very good at bringing liberals face to face with themselves. I enjoy it.-tommyd
It sure seems that way to me.
Cheney needs to pull his pud in public, on national TV, and get married to get their attention.
So, the crackpot left now see’s dissent as not so patriotic anymore? Who knew?
Our Dear Leader said we are a Muslim country. You realize, of course, the Gay question in Muslim countries is NOT marriage, but whether gays should be shot, stoned to death, hanged or beheaded. Have a nice day.
The only reason why Cheney supports gay marriage is because is daughter is gay. Otherwise he would be joining the rest of the conservative movement in calling for a constitutional amendment to prohibit it.
“The only reason why Cheney supports gay marriage…” It is always laudable to support the rights of others when you have no stake in the matter, but does that make it less right to support their rights when you do? The issue isn’t whether Cheney is evil incarnate; it is whether folks who have found themselves at odds with him can acknowledge their agreement with him on this issue.
I think that what enrages the Lefties the most is the fact that former Vice President Cheney
loves his daughter.
Oh and she’s GAY. He loves her. They tried to throw her and her father under the bus and missed.
HA! HA!
35. Caestal:
It certainly dilutes the weight of his support. He could still love his daughter and be against gay marriage. Parents may disagree with their children’s choice in many matters like their spouse/significant other, job, faith etc, but that does not mean that they don’t love them. I would respect Cheney more if he said he loved his daughter but stood by the conservative position on gay marriage. The reason why liberals don’t put too much into Cheney’s position on this matter is because nothing he has done or said gives any indication that he would have this position had it not been for his daughter. This is like the comment that Dan Quale made during the 92 election to a hypothetical question that “he would support his daughter on whatever decision she made if she decided to have an abortion”. Many saw it as bending your rules (Quale wants to remove the choice for abortion) when it comes to your own family.
I believe the reason that you haven’t heard a peep from the gay community is that his view to support (on a state by state) gay marriage does not fit in to the narrative as “Cheney is Evil” that they have been propagating for the last eight years.
Everytime I’ve seen Cheney on TV either in press interviews, conferences or as a guest on news shows he has shown himself to be an intelligent, thoughtful and witty man. During the debates I thought he pretty well buried Biden.
I suspect that there is probably a number of gays (and for that matter liberals in general) that have listened to him over the last few months and their opinion is changing (at least his Poll numbers are rising) but lack the moral courage to state that within their cliques.
Hi folks, of course what I meant to say was that I though Cheney out did Biden on the back and forth comments they have had over the last few months, not the debates. More coffee is needed here. Having said that I thought that Palin beat Biden handily during those debates.
I think the reason that the gay community hasn’t patted Dick Cheney on the back for his stand on gay marriage is because he didn’t stand up for it when he had the power and political influence to do anything about it. He waited until he had been out of office for six months with nothing to lose before he opened his mouth. Furthermore, the reason he opened his mouth is more because of familial pressure within his own household, rather than some general commitment to equal rights for gays. This is the man who fully supported “Don’t ask, don’t tell”, which is just another subtle form of discrimination. I, personally, don’t see Cheney as an “evil” man. However, I do see someone who is an ideologue and rigid thinker.
RAMSIS, just read your very thoughtful note. Can we manage some civility in discussing this? Or are you going to go ‘Palin’ on me? For your edification, Al Gore didn’t open his mouth about the Bush administration until after 9/11, which was nearly a year after Bush was elected. As for Jimmy Carter, he’s been critical of all presidents from time to time. He’s been a human rights activist for the last 25 years, and that’s what they do. After 9/11, you may recall that Democratic and Republican senators and congressmen stood on the Capitol steps and sang “God Bless America” together. The “under minding” as you put it, didn’t really start until Bush refused to support the Kyoto agreement, then failed to capture or kill Bin Laden, and turned Iraq into an amusement park for terrorists. However, the same can’t be said of Republicans today. Cheney has been challenging Obama’s policies from the beginning, politicizing the Gitmo decision and trying to alarm the country by accusing Obama of making us less safe, which is totally unprovable. Then there are Boehmer, McConnell, Jindal, and Cantor, who haven’t offered a single meaningful solution in any of their attacks on the administration. The great irony here is that the only person who has remained relatively quiet throughout all of this is George W. Bush. Maybe he actually knows something Cheney doesn’t, which is that all the negativity and political attacks will do nothing to repair the damage they did to the world during their 8 years in office.
Cheney’s support is largely ignored because it is largely irrelevant. He has expended no political capital on this topic, and is not an advocate for same-sex marriage. Merely acknowledging that each state determines the status of marriage therein does not equal support for same-sex marriage.
When Cheney decides to take a public stand against his party on this issue, and advocate for full marriage rights for all same-sex couples, that will be news. Until then, he will be ignored, because he is unimportant to this struggle. If not for his personal stake in the matter, it is doubtful he would ever have addressed the issue at all.
Peace.
DS
Oh gee, gay rights groups aren’t falling all over themselves to offer praise for a guy who lifted not a finger to help their cause when he actually had political power, despite having a lesbian daughter. What a surprise.
43. Mark C:”Oh gee, gay rights groups aren’t falling all over themselves to offer praise for a guy who lifted not a finger to help their cause when he actually had political power, despite having a lesbian daughter. What a surprise.”
That’s why they should be called “miserables” instead of “gays”