Gangland Violence Comes to Dodger Stadium
When you’ve been a cop in Los Angeles for as long as I have, you can hear even a vague account of a crime and fill in the details yourself. If I hear that a robbery has occurred at the bus stop at Century Boulevard and Broadway at seven in the morning, I know beyond almost any doubt that the victim is a Latino and that the suspects are black. And if I hear that someone has had his head bashed in at Dodger Stadium, I am just as certain that the suspects are young Latino gang members. No one who’s been following the decline of civility at Dodger Stadium was surprised to see the police sketches of the men who attacked Stow.
Civic leaders and the Dodger organization have condemned the attack on Stow (though Dodgers owner Frank McCourt was oddly, even callously silent for days after the crime), and a $150,000 reward has been offered for information leading to the arrest and conviction of the two attackers.
All well and good, but in all the public outcry over what happened to Bryan Stow, there has been precious little said or written about the genuine nature of the problem at Dodger Stadium, which is that Latino gang members have staked out large sections of it as their turf. Just as they have done on the streets of some Los Angeles neighborhoods, they have announced that they are here, they are in charge, and they will tolerate others only up to a point. Woe be to any baseball fan who, like Bryan Stow, dares to wear a cap, jersey, or T-shirt signifying an allegiance to the visiting team. True, attacks such as happened to Stow are rare, but taunts, insults, thrown food, and abusive language are appallingly commonplace.
LAPD Chief Charlie Beck has announced that there will be a noticeably increased police presence when the Dodgers return for their next home stand beginning April 14. But even as he vowed to make Dodger Stadium safe, Beck couldn’t avoid putting his foot in his mouth. “All of us set the standards,” he told reporters. “And if you allow fans to misbehave incrementally around you when you attend one of these games then you are part of the problem.”
Sure, Chief.
The world envisioned by Beck is one where unruly behavior is checked with a click of the tongue and a wag of the finger. That world hasn’t existed at Dodger Stadium in more than twenty years. Making matters worse is the Dodgers’ policy that prohibits off-duty police officers and others who legally carry concealed weapons from bringing those weapons into the stadium. Cops attending games run the very real risk of encountering someone they’ve arrested or otherwise angered in the past, and I’d rather not have such an encounter while deprived of the means to defend myself. Yes, all fans must pass through metal detectors upon entering the stadium, so the gangsters are presumably unarmed during the game as well, but if while attending a game I run into someone who remembers me as the cop who sent him off for a stretch in prison, I can only hope that when the last out is recorded I get to my car and my gun before he can get to his.
The Dodgers have hired former LAPD chief William Bratton to advise them on security measures, and I’m sure they’ll pay him handsomely for a suggestion they can right get here for free: Put the gangsters in check, and don’t back down when the confrontation occurs, as it surely will.
If Charlie Beck and Frank McCourt are serious about making Dodger Stadium safe for baseball fans, the focus of their efforts will of necessity be on Latino gang members. They will not admit such a politically incorrect thought in public, of course, but they will rely on LAPD officers to stand up to the challenge posed by these gangsters and reclaim the stadium from them even as the hoodlums squeal about being “harassed” and “profiled.” Every police contact in the grandstand and in the parking lot will be recorded on cell phone cameras and presented as evidence that the police are unfairly singling out Latinos, claims that the local media will exuberantly repeat and endorse.
How will Beck and McCourt respond when this happens? If the gangsters win, Dodger Stadium will come to be regarded, like Westwood Village years ago, as a place that isn’t safe. It was L.A.’s gang culture that killed Westwood Village. Will it kill Dodger Stadium too?
Folks like Beck are the problem. He’s not leading, he’s exploiting. Dunphy’s right, more cops “showing the flag” in Dodger Stadium won’t solve the problem. But it’ll give Beck a reason to ask for a bigger budget next year. And in the meantime it gives him something tough-sounding to say to the cameras until people forget about Bryan Stow.
Beck is pocketing his salary and occupying a Leadership position but refusing to do his actual job. Given the current climate with so many people willing to maliciously claim racism, it’s not an easy job, but that’s no damn excuse for not doing it. Hell, if he’d hold a press conference and say the solution to the problem is to arrest, prosecute and jail the thug gang members who create this violence, “but you damn fools won’t tolerate that because they’re latinos and you don’t want any dime-store rabblerousers calling you racists. You don’t want to punish criminals, or even admit we have them. All you’ll let cops do is write Click-it-or-Ticket citations. Well, I didn’t take this job to be the Chief of a bunch of Meter Maids, so I quit.” I’d respect that. And it might force the rest of the city to confront the problem instead of hiding behind Beck’s platitudes and empty promises.
But I also suspect that if LA today was a city were a guy who’d do that could get hired as Chief of Police in the first place, he wouldn’t need to quit.
Beck is part of the problem, a leadership class across all institutions that won’t lead. Won’t do it’s job. Just want’s the position, the pay, and the power, but won’t do anything useful. We need to fire these people and let their replacements know we expect results not platitudes. Until we do that, we’ll keep having more Bryan Stows.
“In 1964, Kitty Genovese was raped and stabbed to death outside her Bronx apartment.”
Wrong!
Kitty Genovese was stabbed to death in the Kew Gardens section of Queens.
She was not raped.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kitty_Genovese
JamesG wrote “She was not raped.”
James, the article to which your comment links reads “While she lay dying, he raped her.”
Good job!
JamesG: What motivates someone like you to deny the existence of crime? The only question about the sexual offense perpetrated on Genovese was, technically, whether it began before or after she was killed, and that’s merely semantics, because the offense itself began when he grabbed her. The killer liked to rape dead and dying bodies.
So, looking at that, your only impulse is to try to minimize the crime. As a denier, you’re in good company: NYTs editor A.M. Rosenthal acknowledged much later that racial sensitivities drove the Times to misreport the case (and to depict the community, not the killer, as the real offenders, so this was a story driven by a media that had no trouble accusing the neighborhood residents while whitewashing the killer’s record). Winston Moseley was a misogynistic serial killer who told police he was out that night hunting specifically for a white woman to rape and kill. Of course, the Times refused to print that, though they would have certainly reported the reverse, and it would have become one of the big civil rights stories of the era. But instead, the Times made it into a story about Genovese’s horrible neighbors — brushing what Moseley did to his female victims, black and white, into their giant dustbin.
This type of attitude, juiced up in many cases by a political correctness that only protects those minorities who are also criminals, is precisely how predators are enabled to destroy lives — and public spaces, and public investments, and the freedom to live and move around the streets and institutions we subsidize unmolested.
Nothing to see here that Reginald Denny or Meredith Hunter haven’t seen before. Typical CA behavior. Stop making hay out of perfectly ordinary, everyday CA occurrences.
In all fairness, Meredith Hunter Had It Coming.
Hunter was high on Meth and he pulled a gun on the Hell’s Angels.
The Angel deflected his weapon and stabbed that pimp-suited freak five times.
Most of the incident is clearly shown in the Rolling Stone’s infamous GIMME SHELTER.
Props to Commenter 28 for suggesting LA task the Angels with guarding Dodger Stadium’s lot.
A long time ago in America we forbade immigration from certain countries because we foresaw problems like this decades ago. It is a problem that won’t be solved because people who believe in such things are considered racist and so the only thing that will solve the problem is the one means that will never be used and that is to stop all immigration based on value of what is rather than what might or should be.
Pretty much everyone tacitly agrees with that ‘racist’ view but will only say so in a certain arena of thought; it is hard to find an American who has not been to Mexico and the general consensus is and has been for decades that it is a nice place to visit but you wouldn’t want to live there. What American tourists find ‘quaint’ or tolerable when visiting Mexico they would generally be horrified by if told it would be an environment they might be forced to live in and yet approved arenas of thought say we must.
I have been to Mexico 4 times from one end to the other and everything in between and all over Guatemala 7 times, both encompassing 21 years and a total of two years. I had a great time and was respectful of their cultures and how they lived – however, I didn’t want it here and don’t.
Racist? I really don’t care. If simple observation and not wanting my culture and country turned into a Third World airport in which I am a baggage Constitution handler merely at their service then color me a racist. I don’t think it’s true but America has become oversensitive about this subject to the point that we are willing to serve up our culture on a platter just to prove how racist we are not.
When it comes to Third World cultures this is a perceptual battle between those who see what is and those who see what should be. People SHOULD behave a certain way and so some are willing to see the wholesale transportation of millions from the Third World because they have a faith that amounts to a religion despite what their eyes and statistics tell them that I’m okay, you’re okay. Everyone’s okay and the same – that’s why everyone wants to flood America and not Honduras or Egypt.
Arrayed against this idea are people who are slapped down in their own country as being racists simply because they use their eyes, have been to the Third World, and see how much America has changed now that the Third World is here in droves.
In any Third World country in the world it would be taken for granted that a sudden and large influx of immigrants from outside, even if it consisted of entirely beneficial, productive and law abiding people would not be countenanced. We in the West would agree and we are protective of the hegemony of cultures in the Third World like we’re all Margaret Mead yet we extend the same courtesy to ourselves not at all because we are above all that nonsense and we will prove it by suicide.
I have said this many times before and it bears repeating: our Constitution is nothing more than a cultural suicide pact powered by the idea that white people are racists and everyone else is not. Speaking like this is a fine line because I detest white supremacist’s and Nazis but at the same time have eyes that see what cultural values are worth and what they’re not. This is not about skin but about values and those values are available to anyone yet competence and innovation are not and that too is demonstrable; I don’t know why it is so but only that it is so and that is enough. If someone breaks into my house and they are almost always black I don’t care about why this is so but only observe that it is and wish redress. My house is not an experiment to be trashed to filter all the problems of the world.
Once again this is chalked up to a shoulda scenario where every one in the world is an unlucky astrophysicist who would design the next space station or make the next advancement in string theory if only transported closer to the very people whose innovations and order are said to be merely chance in the larger scheme of things and who in fact there is nothing ‘exceptional’ about.
Values can be overwhelmed by numbers and the slippery slope of generations which follow one after the other and whose younger members don’t know how much better things used to be. There are no easy answers to such complex equations. America has had its own problems in the past but order has always triumphed perhaps based on an idea that the people loved the land they were shaping.
Latin America has had 5 centuries to shape their countries and they have succeeded only to whatever extent they have been able to copy the American way; order, progress and innovation are not endemic. They too love their land but not in a way an American would recognize. Law and order in America are being overwhelmed by immigrants who don’t play be the rules, have never done so in their own countries and there is no evidence that they ever will. 5 centuries is its own evidence and I believe in osmosis only up to a point.
Past a certain point you have a situation where the host culture of America will be overwhelmed by sheer numbers and slowly descend into a Third World dog eat dog chaos that is endemic to Third World countries. I have spent 7 years of my life in 17 Third World countries and I know.
America’s legacy of slavery followed by Jim Crow has combined with the disdainful attitude America has towards Third World cultures to somehow produce an attitude in recent decades that we must show that latter attitude to have not one ounce of merit, even if it actually does. Reality has been subverted by blindness and whenever one throws aside reality one is essentially a insane person. People who put up with having their culture robbed and shot in the head are insane; the other choice is to be a racist – that’s not much to choose from.
If a gang member you sent to prison sees you in the stadium and has five of his friends with him, he won’t need to get to his car to get his gun.
As for Kitty Genovese, by 1963 New Yorkers had long been forbidden to carry weapons of self-defense and had been told “When threatened by violent criminals, just give them whatever they want.” Well, if you know what they want, why wait for them to threaten you — especially if what they want isn’t yours, anyway? What this violent criminal wanted was to murder this woman and not to have the police informed. If I’m not allowed to take a risk to defend myself, I’m certainly not going to take a risk to defend a stranger.
Sow the wind, and reap the whirlwind. This situation is a direct result of the anything goes attitude of CA residence. You complain about a situation YOU helped create. What are you going to do to remedy this situation? More cheese with that whine?
“It was L.A.’s gang culture that killed Westwood Village. Will it kill Dodger Stadium too?”
I think we all know the answer to that question and the answer is yes. Los Angeles and California in general is reaping what was sown years back. And the rest of the nation is not far behind. Gang culture is becoming pervasive everywhere in this country. And no, the authorities will be unable to do anything about the situation in Dodger Stadium because the forces of political correctness will not allow it to happen. Plus, it’s probably all Bush’s fault anyway.
I remember the Westwood incident….that drive by killed Westwood as I remember it…..it will do the same to Dodger Stadium if they do not get out of their PC mode and start doing something about it. It’s only a matter of time until the sound of gun fire will be acceptable form of expression “if you’re a minority”…
The Dodgers could offer free admission to off-duty cops in uniform. With gear.
Well, why not a “brig” under the grandstands (like in Philly’s Veteran’s stadium) and, yes, one with a line to ICE. The second clause of the last sentence could be the saving grace of Villaraigosa’s dubious legacy. You gotta start somewhere. My own suspicion is that ICE would have more collars at a Chivas-America match, but the action would not go unnoticed. The end goal should be that the Dodger Stadium experience should approximate that of the typical US Cellular Field / Chicago White Sox game day: a diverse crowd with a white roughneck element checkmating a hispanic element.
Police officers must be able to carry their firearm at all times– in or out of uniform. The Dodgers’ management either trusts their judgement or they don’t– if they don’t, then I can’t trust Dodgers’ management to look out for the safety of my family.
“Our diversity, not only in our Army, but in our country, is a strength. And as horrific as this tragedy was, if our diversity becomes a casualty, I think that’s worse,” – General George Casey, US Army, response to Fort Hood massacre by Major Nidal Malik Hasan, a Muslim Army psychiatrist.
Diversity is Strength! No more evil eye of envy. No sin. No lust, sloth, pride, anger, etc. Oh brave new world.
Does anyone believe this crap? Does Obama? I doubt it.
“Diversity is strength’ is just some mind numbing mantra straight out of George Orwell world that is the precise reason we are in the mess we are in. It’s bruited about like it’s some kind of irresistible math.
Parts of L.A. should have had martial law imposed back in the 1980s and it’s not too late.
If what the guy really meant was that tolerance is strength well, there’s a lot to be said for that; I’m not sure it means worshiping the idea like we’re priests of some cult and flogging ourselves by giving away all our possessions to prove our worthiness.
JJ, if this was 1977, how would the city handle this?
Much of what has been said about Kitty Genovese was false. People did call the police and did testify to the best of their ability. She was not stabbed in view but in a stairwell. Futhermore, there was no 911 dispatch as we have come to know it at that time.
Being a lifelong S.F. Giants fan, having ‘home and away’ Will Clark jerseys to boot, it’s disgusting to read of this jungle mentality occurring. Though not unexpected.
When attending a Broncos-Raiders matchup at ol’ Mile High stadium some 12 years back, a handful of Raiders fans were pushing and yelling at infinite-like numbers of Broncos fans, trying to instigate a fight. Typical Raider/moron fans.
The L.A., Oakland similarities is hard to disagree with. Overwhelmingly poor, welfare masses coming from single parent households with a chip on their shoulder(s), blaming everyone else for their disadvantage except themselves.
Check out the ‘awesomeness’ of West Oakland if you get a chance.
Say what you will about Giants fans and the difficulty in attending/ getting to Candlestick Park – L.A. and Oakland are sadly far worse cesspools.
The city of Los Angeles, as well as the state of California, should be ashamed at the continual policy of disarming law abiding citizens, not to mention the police. It is long overdue for the state to pass “shall issue” concealed carry permits, valid statewide. The only people disarmed in California, are the law abiding, the criminal element has no problem with obtaining and carry handguns.
If Mr. Stow had been armed, and had shot his attackers dead, the city and state would have been better off, with two vicious thugs, permanently out of circulation. Now what we have is a permanently brain damaged citizen, and two thugs on the loose. Two thugs who will not hesitate to be just as violent again.
Don’t expect Bratton to offer any real suggestions. As police chief in both NYC and LA, his reputation as anti-citizen carry is well known. In both cities, any gang banger can get a gun to carry, but not a law abiding citizen. As a native New Yorker, I am well aware of the road blocks the NYPD puts in the way of anyone who wants to legally obtain a handgun permit. I will never again live in a state that will not issue me a concealed carry permit, because if the worst should happen, the police will not be there to protect you.
I have lived in several states that have “shall issue” policies regarding carry permits, and it’s not the wild west in any of them. Citizens are responsible and knowledgeable about the law in regards to carry and the use of deadly force. Time to stop infringing on the rights of the citizens of California, and allow them the means to protect themselves outside of their homes.
Oddly enough, California does have a concealed weapons law on the books. However, each Sheriff in each county gets to determine which of their residents are allowed to obtain the permit. Virtually all the Sheriffs in the counties with larger populations don’t allow them, except perhaps to those who are reserve police officers, officers of the courts, and a few other select individuals. Several of the smaller counties do have more relaxed rules to carry and their permits are valid anywhere in the state. Unfortunately, Los Angeles County, at least when I lived there, did not. But had I lived in say, Inyo County, I probably could have gotten one.
Returning to the basics.
LAPD officers were present that day, uniformed and plain clothes. There were three different fights that day, I think one was attended to by Dodger security. LAPD officers were no where to be found though.
It used to be that one LAPD officer was a major force multiplier all to himself, nowadays if there aren’t enough of them they seem to shy away from the crowds. They could have engaged with staff security, the folks manning the cctv security cameras, vendors, etc. they could’ve set up where fans could easily report to them these incidents.
Where were they that day? If you check facebook, most officers who worked Dodger stadium that day opening day were taking photos of the game, but from vantage points away from the crowds, away from the nitty gritty.
This had been an ongoing problem, but it took a death for LAPD to get serious on this, WHY? Why does it have to come to a death, for our police to react after the fact?
I can’t take my kids to Magic Mountain in Santa Clarita anymore, because it’s so ghetto nothing but gangsters and cholitas.
Kitty Genovese was killed in Queens, not The Bronx
Let’s vote Glen Beck to the presidency!!!
The great experiment in mult-culturalism and diversity is a failure.
The Brits and the Germans have made that acknowledgment. They also admit that socialism doesn’t work. When will our liberals do so?
The liberals will never admit that socialism doesn’t work, because for them it’s not about a system that works, it’s about power.
Oh, they’ll admit it doesn’t work as soon as they find another justification for taking our money and telling us how to live our lives. Ideology is just a costume for they. The only thing they really believe is that they should be in charge.
We stopped attending Dodger games a few years ago. It was unsafe then with raging gang bangers. I can only imagine the hell hole it now is! Unless you can afford the expensive seats on the lower levels you will take you life into your hands sitting in the upper levels. Mexican gang members have destroyed the park and the City does nothing. My children’s safety is far more important than money in McCourt’s pocket or the City of Los Angeles!
this traces all the way back to sacramento
most of these thugs should probably still be in jail but they are released after serving 5% of their sentence
i cant remember the last time a death row inmate in california was given a lethal injection, which, appears to be unavailable anyways
whatever happened to 3 strikes here in california?
what about all the buffoons that wreck havok every time the lakers win the championship?
the point is that, to some degree, it is already a lawless society and
the dodgers organization disintegrated when the o’malley’s sold
only quick solution is to totally “dry” out dodger stadium
103. Citizen Kyle
The City of LA is broke–no more dinero. And we are paying traffic ofcrs $2 million, because they don’t want to write traffic tickets?!!! Are you kidding me?
http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-ticket-quotas-20110412,0,2790462.story
LAPD officers who complained about ticket quotas are awarded $2 million. The veteran motorcycle officers alleged in a lawsuit that they were punished with bogus performance reviews, threats of reassignment and other forms of harassment after objecting to demands from commanding officers that they write a certain number of tickets each day.
The case goes back to late 2006, when command of the traffic division was handed over to Capt. Nancy Lauer. Chan and Benioff alleged in their lawsuit that Lauer and her sergeants and lieutenants made it clear to officers that they were expected to write at least 18 tickets each day. The number of tickets an officer wrote was recorded on their performance evaluation, the suit alleged.
April 11, 2011 – 9:53 pm
They should do a movie of these two motor cops, and title it “Lifestyle of the Rich and Famous: How not doing your job can make you a millionaire”.
It’s funny how it’s always the motorcycle cops who tend to fleece the city with millions, don’t these guys have better things to do than think of ways to scam the city?
I’m not a fan of the $2M award, but I’m glad somebody complained about being used as revenue enhancment organs. Capt. Lauer ought to be tarred, feathered, and run out of town on a rail. Like Beck, she’s part of the problem, leadership that won’t lead.
“Gee Officer Murphy, too bad about that EMT getting curb-stomped on your beat yesterday, but good job writing those jaywalking tickets! Nothing makes a city more unlivable than pedestrians ignoring the crosswalks.”
And you wonder why support for Law Enforcement is declining…
Criminy, it’s like somebody remade The Andy Griffith Show only this time Barney’s the Sheriff and Andy’s the Deputy.
JMH, you just described what is wrong with LAPD and its horrible “leadership:” Barney Fife is the Sheriff, and Andy is the deputy…if you don’t mind, I’m going steal this line from you.
When motor officers are not doing a DUI task force or assigned to a special event, they are tasked with enforcement. They do nothing else. For those of you with a problem with that you should go to the Chief or to the politicians. The reason they do nothing else is because more people die in traffic related incidents than from all violent crimes put together.
They make it safer out there by visibly enforcing the vehicle code. Even when it is for a chickens**t violation like a cracked windshield people slow down when they see someone getting a ticket. The Department however encourages officers to cite for “major movers” or only those violations that are responcible for the aforementioned traffic injuries and fatalities.
A motor officer can write 20 tickets in four hours easy and can spend 6 hours each day just warning people if they like. If these officers were not even writing 20 citations (what other officers average) they should not be on a motor.
Quotas are an issue when an officer is pressured into fabricating facts to meet that quota. For arrests thats bad because finding a violation can be hit and miss. For traffic however there is no danger of that as the average motorist commits some violation every 2 miles. An officer can easily find a violation without fabrication. Most of you are pi*sed off because you got a BS ticket for a california roll.
I agree thats BS and that is not what officers should be looking for. I will call out some motor officers on that. If they were not in such a hurry to finish thier 20 in 4 hours they could actually find better violations to cite. On that you have the right to be upset but the Department does not have “quotas” per se…it has a productivity baseline which is set by the average amount of work a similerly situated officer can produce. Its subtle but its not the same.
I agree with Motor Copper.
LAPD motor officers get paid for 10 hours each day. Their job is not to handle calls, or take reports, or arrest bad guys (except the DUI shift). Their job is TRAFFIC ENFORCEMENT (writing tickets). It takes about 5-10 minutes to write a ticket. If they cannot find 20 violations in 10 hours, what are they doing? The number of citations is not a quota, it is a measure of job performance. Many officers will write their 20 citations the first half of their shift and then relax for the rest of the day and then they go home early. Many motor officers will be home by the end of their shift. There are officers who write half that many and then complain if the sergeant asks them to do more work. Many departments have a limited tour of duty for motor officers, but LAPD has no time frame and it is almost impossible to remove an officer from that assignment. Maybe there should be some changes made.
Common sense tells us that these officers deserve nothing,
they should’ve been kicked out of motors,
their Capt. should’ve taken some leadership classes
(she could’ve made them think leaving was their good idea),
the jury will always be a bunch of idiots (in any city, small or big),
But the crux here is that for the City Attorney’s office of L.A. this was an easily defendable case for the City and they screwed up.
Quotas are an emotional issue for any jury, but lazy cops should’ve been a easier sell. The attorneys representing the City of L.A. have always sucked, this is why we keep on paying out in the billions to frivolous cases.
Angelenos need to audit and fire lousy attorneys earning six figures. Starting from the very top.
I’m all for this, Mary. Let’s contact the City Attorney’s office and have them explain how they loss this case!
Motor Cop should be the Chief!
OR just do away w/ motor cops, seems they are the ones always suing the city and getting millions, remember don and doff?
If there’s a problem intersection or street, just task patrol or assign a Traffic enforcement, U-boat, car to write tickets per watch.
No need for Motors, ain’t like they do anything.
That’s better than winning the Lotto!
“It was L.A.’s gang culture that killed Westwood Village.”
I’ve lived and worked in the Westwood area since before Toshima’s murder and, while that crime depressed the area for a while, the long-term decline has been a result of other factors: rents that are too high for small businesses, a lack of parking, and almost no “destination” attractions anymore to bring in potential customers. It also doesn’t help that Westwood and UCLA have become havens for vagrants who make the area an unpleasant place to be thanks to their general dirtiness and bizarre, sometimes threatening behavior.
What happened to the bad old days, when LA fans were legendary for not being involved in the games much, and the fan violence incidents happened in other cities? Now, when the Lakers win the championship, we have a riot every year, with the cops not being prepared (again!) and someone’s car being burned, someone getting killed or injured. Now it turns out that gangbangers have taken over Dodger Stadium. I didn’t know *cops* weren’t allowed to carry guns there…in my opinion, this should be illegal. Unless it’s an issue of public safety (I can see it in a plane, where most cops aren’t trained to operate and discharging the firearm could jeopardise everyone’s safety) I don’t think the people owning/operating a public venue should be *allowed* to prohibit sworn officers from carrying guns into their facility.
In related news, California has a bizarre law that allows people to openly carry pistols, as long as they’re unloaded. People carry the gun in a holster, and have a magazine for it elsewhere on their belt. Because these people are such a danger to society (no incidents have been reported, but one *could* happen any day!) the state is considering changing the law, so that no one (other than criminals, of course) is armed.
Cops are useless, we pay them a lot and they don’t do shayt.
I feel really safe w/ my empty gun in my holster and my magazine in my fanny pack. In case of emergency, I can quickly draw out my useless firearm, giving time for el payaso to attack me, then I can insert my magazine. In the meantime, I’m already lying on the ground dead.
I suppose the Dodgers could solve the Los Angeles security problems by moving back to Brooklyn…
Here, here I vote yes. I couldn’t believe it when the traitors moved to LA. As a kid, I actually got to see the Dodgers play at Ebbets field. They were my favorite team, until they moved.
Mr. Dunphy, I love your articles, but Kitty Genovese was murdered in Kew Gardens, which is in Queens. It’s a small thing, but I live in the Bronx, so I care.
J Lo’s from Queens.
The BQE goes through Queens.
Beck announced he was going to put more gang-specialists from LAPD in the Stadium area. These must be the same gang-specialists who have all transferred to patrol because they didn’t want to deal with intrusive financial disclosures.
So my question is where are these new bodies going to come from, or does the Chief of Police think / hope we won’t notice the discrepancy?
Personally, I think LA should hire the Hell’s Angels to patrol the parking lot. They seemed to have a pretty good handle on how to deal with these situations at Altamont. (And they’re not unionized.)
You thought this situation couldn’t be made any worse, didn’t you all?
Ahhh, but you underestimate the liberal media in Los Angeles.
Allahpundit at Hot Air points out the worst sports column ever written. You won’t believe it when you read it…you won’t believe it when your jaw is hanging wide open and you re-read it just to make sure you read the words as they fly into your eyes like shards of glass.
Gotta love the media…the conscience of modern America.
http://hotair.com/archives/2011/04/12/the-worst-sports-column-ever/
He at once wants us to cave in to the reality of lawlessness, come to games in a Sherman tank and blame us if the armor isn’t too thick. Gee, who ever predicted this associated with immigration? Oh, yeah – racists did and so they were ignored. Pleasure doin’ business with you say the liberals and guess what, we know it’s a mess and it’s STILL the fault of racists.
There is a certain point of view that has credence that one doesn’t go up into a shanty town in Rio de Janeiro with 100 dollars bills taped to your head.
If we’ve gotten to the point where we have to adopt that attitude in the normal course of life and at a baseball game then we’re in a lot of trouble.
Conclusion: we’re in a lot of trouble and the shanty town mentality engendered by immigration is here and it’s here to stay unless one wants internment camps and mass deportations.
Thanks to our moronic gov’t officials and their sanctuary policies for putting us in a dilemma that gives us 2 choices, both of which are utterly destructive.
Next choice down the line? Survival. Survival has its own imperatives and they ain’t pretty. I love the smell of endemic crime in the morning.
If I wanted to wake up in Guatemala City I would’ve moved there.
“America’s legacy of slavery followed by Jim Crow has combined with the disdainful attitude America has towards Third World cultures to somehow produce an attitude in recent decades that we must show that latter attitude to have not one ounce of merit, even if it actually does.”
While I enjoy reading your posts, I have to quibble with you on this one. Just who is “we” there Kimosabe? The we is the left who has used the black and latino vote for years to gain power. In return, the white elitist progressives have overlooked and tacitly supported the deterioration, tribal, uncivilized and anti-American cultural takeover of these two sub cultures. So combine majority black and latino voters and citizens (read illegal aliens) with sanctuary cities and white elite support and you get this result.
Next I have no guilt that needs to be assuaged. We fought the Civil War to end slavery. Jim Crow was established by the dems so again I have no guilt about it and it ended long ago. THERE is nothing else America has to apologize for so for God’s sake stop using it as a catch-all albatross to hang around our necks. Jim Crow had no impact on the lives of today’s black and latinos. If slavery was a bad on the psyche of blacks then how come prior to the Great Society blacks made the greatest advances in education, jobs, family units and living standards when compared to today’s always victimed blacks?
I hope CA dies a miserable death. I say build a wall between CA and America now before it is too late.
I apologize – I could’ve written that better; it is as you put it which is how I meant it.
American liberals and minorities have allowed the perception of an event to linger on long after that event is history. Minority agitators like Sharpton and Wright and Smiley have latched onto that and used it to the hilt.
It is not a surprising irony that a thing we DO associate only with the past, namely wild frontier towns, is actually alive and well in enclaves across America since my stereotype of an old West frontier town is one where women acted like men and the men acted like animals before law and order came.
The difference in modern America is that law and order left.
The peaceful, prosperous “I Love LA!” crowd from 25 years ago is long gone from Dodger Stadium. Now, it’s an anger-filled third world zoo. For people who haven’t seen the transformation with their own eyes all I can say is you would be astounded by the contrast.
As a lifelong California resident, I find this all very sad. What makes it worse is that I don’t think people around the country have woken up to the Mexican/hispanic tidal wave that is headed their way.
People are still drowning in political correctness and white guilt. The hispanic community has no hesitation in saying their race is superior and white people stink. They love Mexico and hate America and yet here they are and here they stay.
California is done. It’s a mere shadow of what it was when I was growing up in the ’70′s. Broke, over crowded, invaded and destroyed by an alien culture that was welcomed in by the execrable George Bush, Obama, and others.
It’s sad that younger people don’t even know what they’ve lost. And people seem to have no will to defend the country. We’re blowing up jihadis in the Middle East and getting completely rolled like gutless pussies in our own country by the invading populations of Mexicans and Central Americans.
All I can say to people in other states is please, please, please try to wake up and save your communities. It’s too late for us here in California.
Anyone notice those two thugs, (i.e.) persons of interest in the “mug shot” look like Hispanic gang bangers? Anyone? Maybe it’s just me, but judging from the initial drawing, they don’t look much like Wally and The Beaver. Then again, Eddie Haskell doesn’t have an alibi. Come to think of it, neither does Donny Osmond. Hummm!
Anyway, suspects initially identified, described and/or alleged as Hispanic in appearance?
Brrrrr! I think somethin’s freezin’ over, here. (uhh) Never mind. Somebody just left the fridge door open.
EDDIEEEEE!
Then you’ve never seen the officers that work Gangs and Narco then.
Good insight and commentary. I think there is a major difference however, between the perspective of the public and that of many officers, that tickets are necessarily a good means of promoting public safety.
It is really a shame that more officers don’t put more peer pressure on their officers to cite “better” violations as opposed to the BS ones, as I’m not sure the officers realize how much harm their peers cause the department, in the form of public distrust and loss of public support.
If police truly believed in the aims of community policing and service, then the embrace of public support would be most critical for meeting their objectives.
Some seem to think that I am advocating more tickets…I most certainly am not. I am commenting on the work ethic that appears to be displayed by the officers…unfortunately in the context of this forum tickets were the only measure of work ethic.
So how about this…rather than looking at how many people are ticketed…why not look at how many people are STOPPED. If an officer wants to warn everyone they stop thats cool with me so long as at the end of that 10 or 12 hour day they can say that they earned their pay. Again my issue is work ethic not # of tickets.
Unfortunately the LAPD management have been getting away with this type of stuff for years. They never really quote numbers (at least not on paper), they use words like goal or watch average or productivity.
Officers complain all the time but nobody does crap, unless it gets to the point where what happened to these two officers occur. You practically have to let them screw you over before you have a case and not everyone can afford to do that unfortunately.
Dunphy sounds like one of the LAPD commanding officers or supervisors..LOL. In the LAPD the only way they seem to measure productivity is how many cites you write. I don’t mind writing cites to people that deserve it but I refuse to write good people who I feel probably made an honest mistake or acknowledge what they did was wrong and seem to have learned from the encounter.
The point I’m making is that if you stop 20 people during a course of a shift and a warn 50% of those that I feel met the above criteria, does that mean i’m not doing my job? (BTW I’m not a motor). The numbers game in the LAPD is a fallacy. Hopefully this case causes the city to check management and supervision, but I doubt it, LOL.
If the Dodgers really wanted to do something, I would suggest they get a couple of Sergeants from the local gang details in the LAPD from the area and ask them what to do about the problem, instead of the Ivory Tower guys who have not acted as a cop in 30 yrs and probably couldn’t identify one gang member from another.
Good idea, but be careful of the sergeants you would pick: many of the gang sergeants kiss-ups put there by command staff, or Metro wannabes…
A gang officers’ take on this:
http://www.policemag.com/Blog/Gangs/Story/2011/04/The-Dodger-Blues.aspx
It’s prison gangs fighting for dominance.
Everyone seems to be overlooking a single, salient fact. LA has survived without the Raiders or any other “permanent” occupant of the Coliseum. It can easily survive without the Dodgers and their sorry example of failed owner leadership .
Chavez ravine is prime property, we can do so much more with that land. Maybe a Southern California Academy of Sciences (like the new one in San Francisco, http://www.calacademy.org/). We can house the space shuttle Endeavour here instead of in the ghetto we’re planning to house the shuttle.
The yuppie and gay culture is thriving in the downtown L.A. area and we know that the only way to combat L.A.’s gang culture is by making their turf as gay as possible. Look at Silverlake, Echo Park, Olympic, etc. Fill the area w/ flowers and pastel colours and inject some real culture and the gang culture will disappear.
Steve is hired!
But wait, a lot of the cholos are already gay…or gay while they’re in county or Soledad…
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this is a winner!!
Instead of the Dodgers hiring that old prune to advise on security, they should invest in lighting and asking the REAL experts of LAPD’s gang units, oh sorry they are all back on patrol, and not smart enough to be consulted on such lofty ideas such as how to deal with gangsters.
I have long advocated that these parasites have no socially redeeming value and since we have I cards on most of them, know who they are. Give a box of 50 to each ofcr and send him/her out with a set of cards to rid the city of this pestilence.
Threaten to hurt their mama
I’m not White but I agree that our Country’s loose legal immigration and threats to law enforcement officers about detaining “gang members” is to blame, Listen! lAPD has been stricken from detaining, impounding Unlicensed drivers! Do you think that an officer can stop someone on appearance! The country is delusional about what an officer can do, the incident at Dodgers stadium is only the tip of the iceberg for what is to come in LA’s fight against thug violence at games.
Families need to declare war against thugs who interrupt their families’ social outings. I.e., Laker games. Let these part-time gang-senseless-thugs realize that if they don’t want their mama’s hurt, they had better stop with
All that BS in the streets.
A good set of family values set up by “mom and or dad or both” would not hurt eithter….when Jr. goes out of the house looking like a gang banger…there’s a really goood chance he probably “is” a gang banger.
The problem is that Junia and Wardo have ‘We Don’t Need No Steenking Laws” tattoos themselves.
“Have a nice day son! Don’t forget to steal your lunch money and spit on at least one person”.
How awfully true!
Now, Jack, please tell ‘em why there is no NFL team playing at the coliseum in Los Angeles. Why one of the most lucrative venues was abandoned by both the Rams and the Raiders.
If you have been to a game lately you would have seen the changing demographics of those in attendance. It looks more like a crowd you would see at a bullfight rather then a baseball game. Add gangs, booze and the fact that no one wants to label those in attendance legal or otherwise (for fear of being labeled a racist) as the problem, so it continues. It’s NO LONGER a family event to bring your kids. It has now become a place to wear your “colors” and hang with your Hommies.
This is why I am an Angels fan….Don’t have these problems at the Big A
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haha, the BIG A is nice
The Big “A” is US Cellular field with better weather and chicks 2-3 sizes lower. Love those Angel pre-game pics from the Register.
LAPD needs to publicly proclaim that they will not participate in “racial profiling”.
But they MUST also publicly state that they will most certainly will engage in “CRIMINAL PROFILING”
BEGINNING AT DODGER STADIUM!! IT’S THEIR JOB!! It’s their duty here in Los Angeles.
That shouldn’t be too hard to avoid; most of the LAPD nowadays looks like members of the “Class of ’86″ (quotes and year referenced is intentional -solve that riddle).
LOL, this is so funny! You’re right, the white, young, urban professionals have made LAPD their home. They vote Democrat and like the gay culture.
I have been a huge Dodgers all my life. The Dodgers and Dodger Stadium were two of the best things about Los Angeles. No more. I taught in LAUSD for 30+ years and the same problems which make Dodger Stadium dangerous make many LAUSD schools colossal failures. In short, the inmates are running the asylum. In our schools, the primary victims are the good kids who want to get an education – as Brian Stow was a good guy who just wanted to watch a ball game. Until we get the will to take our city and its institutions back, nothing will change here.
I would rather Los Angeles, Califas be over run by la Raza para mi Gente de los Cholos than by some White homosexuals that hike up property values, thus hiking up rent para mi Gente, my familia, la Raza!!!
Aztec Warriors, we don’t take sh!t from others, especially other ball clubs.
Leeches plus no host equals the wheeless Age of Copper.
What a hatefilled, stupid, ignorant, malicious, racist comment!
But a perfect example of who I will not sit near at a ball game- or anything else.
The cholo-changos, aztec “warriors”- read criminals, have elected their own mayor, bankrupted the state and will soon start offering aztec human scarifices at halftime.
The many decent, good people of mexican descent suffer when the la raza Adam Henrys speak and act out like vicious animals.
LA lacks an NFL team because the city and county administrations are controlled by the La Raza mentality and its practicioners. “Good” is mexican. “Bad” is anything else. LAPD is not permitted to effectively oppose the gangsters. Thats why.
It’s very simple, dodgers stadium began employing uniformed off duty officers back in 2005/2006. The uniform presence simply made the stadium much safer. The public does not know that dodger stadium slashed the budget for uniformed officers last year, and opening day was a prime example of how being stingy with security can become a disaster for the McCourts, the fans, and all the employees. Let’s stop cutting corners with our fire and law enforcement, let’s pay them and take care of them, all the true tax payers, deserve to be protected. Politics and police work don’t mix
On December 22, 1984, Bernard Goetz, otherwise known as the “subway vigilante,” shot four young men in a Manhattan subway car after he said the men threatened him and tried to rob him.
The shooting became a national sensation, as many subway riders, concerned about subway muggings, applauded Goetz’s actions. But others criticized Goetz as a racist because the four young men were African-American.
Three years after the shooting, Goetz, a 39-year-old electronics specialist, was acquitted of attempted murder and assault, but was convicted of criminal possession of an unlicensed weapon and spent 250 days in jail.
Goetz said he started firing because he thought the four men were about to rob him. Many suspected however, that Goetz acted as an “avenging angel” because he had been mugged twice before. The youths said they were panhandling money to play video games when they asked him for $5, not trying to rob him.
One of the four men, Darrell Cabey, was paralyzed in the shooting. In reaction to a $50 million lawauit filed by Cabey’s familiy, Goetz said in a December 20, 1994 Toronto Star article, “If you’re injured, paralyzed or whatever while committing a violent crime against me, that’s not my fault.”
After the verdict, Goetz’ lawyer Barry Slotnick said, “I think the true message is that people have a right to protect and defend themselves under justifiable situations.” Goetz said he wants to “go back to being an anonymous stranger in New York,” said Slotnick in a June 17, 1987 Toronto Star article.
Supporters and critics argued outside the courthouse immediately after the verdict. Anti-Goetz demonstrators chased his car, shouting, “Goetz is an oppressor, murder no more.” Another man carried a sign, “Criminals, think twice or we will Goetz you.”
The youths said they were panhandling money to play video games when they asked him for $5, not trying to rob him.
Yea right…and the balance of what they didn’t use for video games they were going to donate to a local charity. They got what they had coming to them….Goetz was protecting himself and his property from “punks” who were would rather steal from those who work…then work themselves.
The Dodgers and the LAPD are not truly interested in resolving this problem, only in paying lip service to the media as bad PR will reduce ticket sales. Case in point, with all the hype about seeing a “Sea of LAPD blue” at upcoming home Dodger games, when shifts for officers to work the games were announced, the sign-up period was only for 90 minutes in the middle of one day, when either most on-duty officers are in the field working and unable to view their e-mails, or when off-duty officers are at home and will not open their e-mail until hours or days after the 90 minute window to sign up has closed.
We got enough officers to sign up for this overtime gig. Easy money.
The 26th amendment (granting the right to vote for 18 year-olds) took only 3 months & 8 days to be ratified! Why? Simple! The people demanded it. That was in 1971…before computers, before e-mail, before cell phones, etc.
Of the 27 amendments to the Constitution, seven (7) took 1 year or less to become the law of the land…all because of public pressure.
I’m asking each addressee to forward this to a minimum of twenty people; in turn ask each of those to do likewise.
In three days, most people in The United States of America will have the message. This is one idea that really should be passed around.
Congressional Reform Act of 2011
1. Term Limits. 12 years only, one of the possible options below..
A. Two Six-year Senate terms
B. Six Two-year House terms
C. One Six-year Senate term and three Two-Year House terms
2. No Tenure / No Pension. A Congressman collects a salary while in office and receives no pay when they are out of office.
3. Congress (past, present & future) participates in Social Security.
All funds in the Congressional retirement fund move to the Social Security system immediately. All future funds flow into the Social Security system, and Congress participates with the American people.
4. Congress can purchase their own retirement plan, just as all Americans do.
5. Congress will no longer vote themselves a pay raise. Congressional pay will rise by the lower of CPI or 3%.
6. Congress loses their current health care system and participates in the same health care system as the American people.
7. Congress must equally abide by all laws they impose on the American people.
8. All contracts with past and present Congressmen are void effective 10-1-11
The American people did not make this contract with Congressmen. Congressmen made all these contracts for themselves.
Serving in Congress is an honor, not a career. The Founding Fathers envisioned citizen legislators, so ours should serve their term(s), then go home and back to work.
If each person contacts a minimum of twenty people then it will only take three days for most people (in the U.S. ) to receive the message. Maybe it is time ..
THIS IS HOW YOU FIX CONGRESS!!!!! If you agree with the above, pass it on.
To begin with, little one, ex post fact laws are unconstitutional.
The “american people” do not have a health care system.
Your notion does nothing to improve the quality of congressional personnel.
There is an established procedure for amending the constitution; it might be wise to follow it.
You can afford to smoke better stuff than that! Too many seeds means low quality.
Great Idea!
If you are anti-Tea Party, then you are anti-U.S. And you will be brought to Justice, one way or the next.
I heard Stow was spouting racial slurs and basically picked on the wrong fellas to screw with after the game.
mi gente, las aztecas warriors, la raza, these aztec warriors were just defending the dignity of la raza chicano.
better learn spanish, gabachos!
Source: The Christan Science Monitor
CNAS Author: Travis Sharp
Original Post: As Debt Grows, So Does U.S. Exposure to Attack
Type: Op-Ed
April 14, 2011 — On Wednesday, President Obama grabbed onto one of the most highly charged issues in American politics: deficit reduction. The president’s speech offered a sensible way forward, even if his proposal was light on specifics. Now that the cameras are off, however, the real political challenges begin.
Whether pursued through changes to tax rates, Medicare, or military spending, deficit reduction presents limitless ways for politicians to lose their jobs. And yet the American people demand that their elected leaders accept these risks, and are right to make such demands, because they sense what many experts now know: Growing federal debt threatens the long-term national security of the United States.
“The single-biggest threat to our national security is our debt,” Admiral Michael Mullen, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, said last year. It was a powerful acknowledgment from the high-spending Pentagon. Over the last two years, US federal debt increased from $6.9 trillion to $9.7 trillion. In 10 years, it is projected to reach $18 trillion, equaling 77 percent of GDP, the largest debt-to-GDP ratio since 1950, when the US was still recovering from World War II-related costs. At that point, federal spending on net interest related to the debt will surpass spending on the US military.
Since US economic prowess has long fueled US global influence and military power, Americans must understand the threats this situation presents.
First, long-term federal debt could gradually crowd out investments in the US military, which protects American interests and promotes international stability and peace. A similar situation developed in Britain at the turn of the 20th century, when British leaders’ focus on national efficiency and other peripheral issues distracted them from making the changes required to improve economic performance, bolster military capability, and prepare the nation for an uncertain future.
While Britain had the United States to help bail it out during World War I, no such savior exists for the United States today.
Second, increased federal debt could leave the US more vulnerable to economic coercion. Such coercion could take the form of another nation withholding valuable natural resources or militarily sensitive goods during a conflict over repayment, cutting back purposefully on its holdings of US dollars to inflict economic damage, or interfering directly or indirectly in US attempts to finance its debt.
Chinese leaders have publicly discussed such a strategy, a worrisome development considering that China owns a sizable and growing portion of US debt. Last year, Chinese Major General Luo Yuan told state-run media that in response to American arms sales to Taiwan, China could attack the United States “by oblique means and stealthy feints,” including “using economic means, such as dumping some US government bonds.” In 2009, the Pentagon conducted a war game to explore this scenario. According to reports, China emerged victorious after using financial weapons such as stocks, bonds, currencies, and gold reserves to damage the United States. While such a strategy also would hurt China because of our nations’ economic codependence, one cannot rule it out during a crisis.
Third, the cost of servicing US debt could harm the long-term health of the US economy and erode America’s global stature and soft power. Washington would become less able to exert influence in multilateral fora, less able to borrow at affordable rates, less able to head off financial crises, and less able to convince rising powers of the comparative merits of market-based capitalism. Shorn of its international influence, the United States would find itself struggling to guarantee the security of its citizens and allies.
The US serves as the linchpin of an interconnected alliance system of more than 60 nations that has gradually provided more prosperity, freedom, and security to people all over the world. Bolstering our preeminent position in this system depends on relieving federal indebtedness, which poses a real and growing threat to the economic foundations of American power.
Our leaders must keep these higher stakes, not the political risks that are superficial in comparison, firmly in mind as they work on a deficit-reduction compromise that will put the United States on a more sound fiscal footing.
what does this have to do with the dodgers?
“mi gente, las aztecas warriors, la raza, these aztec warriors were just defending the dignity of la raza chicano”
When you are producing Nobel prize winning scientists, magnificent warriors, great leaders and statesmen, wonderful writers and poets, instead of a bunch of racist narco thugs, get back to me about how great your “Raza” is.
Only men with very little to be proud of are so touchy about their “honor”.
I wonder why the Dodgers do not handle their own security privately. Are they unwilling to? Unable to, for legal, or other reasons?
I wonder, Mr. Dunphy, why you think that only you and your elite cabal of fellow “peace officers” should be allowed to carry weapons for self-defense while other Americans (who are not felons) who have that God-given right enshrined in the Constitution (Amendment 2) should not. What about the witnesses who testified against the criminals and who are really responsible for their incarceration? They have the same concerns. They have the same right to self-defense.
I wonder if it would be considered profiling if, while investigating white supremacists, one confined one’s investigation predominantly to white men with shaved heads?
I don’t believe a stronger police presence – whether off duty or on – is needed or would matter. Respect for private property and 2nd Amendment rights is all that is necessary.
I attended an Angels game in 1990 as part of our senior trip. Some in my class were warned against being kicked out merely for taunting. I was not one of those involved but thought it rather strict at the time. But the behavior stopped cold and did not escalate. Enforcing minor offenses often does prevent greater ones; but this can hardly be enforced by the fans themselves. Again: where is the private security? Where is the “event staff” that you see at every concert? I wouldn’t know. The last time I went to a ballgame was in the early nineties – ’93, I think. For the same reasons you gave.
I agree with you on most points in this article. But you need to give up the “us vs. them” mentality with regard to your fellow, law abiding, citizens. We have the right to protect ourselves to.
you need to understand how the law is interpreted in california
as you might already know we live in bizarro world here
there is no way to hire privately
the howls of racism, sexism, and homophobia would too easily put the owners out of business from the lawsuits
even the police are leery from these threats
you are right, however, that an owner with a desire to protect his investment and provide a product for the fans would strive to clean out the garbage
but the mccourts are in fantasyland: i’m sure they believe deep down that the giants fan got what he deserved from being an agitator (giants gear) and probably a racist (mexicans attacked him)
The question now is, if push comes to shove, how are you going to unholster your gun with all that gut in the way? C’mon, we’ve all seen you crazy gun fanatics, forget about gun control, how about check your gut control first and then we’ll talk. Guns aren’t for Dungeons and Dragons or Air Soft Live Action Players, it’s for the big boys w/ serious training, the heavy hitters if you will. Violence isn’t fantasy world, it’s a world of hurt.
I’ve seen these open carry but no bullets having dorks hanging around in my local Starbucks. What a bunch of wannabe military/police losers! I’m sure if the “S” hits the fan, they’d take out more innocent lives than hit any perps.
I’ve always wondered what they’d do if a real criminal yanks their empty gun out, hits them in the head and steals their gun, and drives off with a cup of coffee w/ a brand new gun in hand. Poor idiots.
You know I’m fat?! WOW!! Just from reading an email, too! Think what you could do if you started reading palms!
The right to bear arms worked for hundreds of years before we let government totalitarians start limiting it. And believe me, that’s all they are. If you don’t like the Constitution move to a real totalitarian state and try it on for size a while.
You should get together with Pete (who knows who’s gun is unloaded (and whose been sleeping, whose naughty, and nice)). You guys could put Miss Cleo out of business.
if you can’t see your little pee-pee, cuz youre in your 3rd trimester from drinking and eating too much no exercise, then youre fat, homes. lol.
para la raza! a la trucha, fattie.
get some sun tan while you’re at it too, homie. lol.
And some of “us’ wonder why you hate cops and also choose to adopt an unrealistic attitude toward security when you claim to have experienced its lack. Doesn’t add up.
Perhaps some officers don’t want gangbangers to legally carry firearms. Got a firm grip on that one? Or crazies, or dopers, etc.
Is that attitude understandable to you?
I don’t hate cops and never said or implied that I do. I never said gang-bangers should legally carry firearms. I said law-abiding citizens have the God-given right to and that this is enshrined in the 2nd Amendment. Really not that complicated. Just pay attention to what you are reading.
What angers me is the “us vs. them” mentality that leads to the belief that one is a member of a privileged class that should be given more rights, more respect, etc. than the “others”. That’s dangerous, arrogant, immoral and un-American. There ARE no cops-and-citizens: cops ARE citizens. Or have we really become a police-state already? Or is that what you are advocating?
I have the right to protect MYSELF. As opposed to begging for mercy from a psychopath who has none, or hoping and praying a cop happens by to save me. Get it?! Good grief! If you really can’t see a difference between gang-bangers and law-abiding citizens then you have no business being a cop. I don’t know where you belong.
Anyone can lose their God-given rights if their behavior is bad enough – including their life. Violent felons should lose their right to bear arms. This is obvious. It is also completely different than requiring law-abiding citizens to pass a test, get permission, pay a fee, follow blahblahblah rules, jump through innumerable hoops just to do what the 2nd Amendment (did I mention that…. I think so) says they can ALREADY DO! Get a clue.
Answer me this very simple question with a simple yes or no: Do you believe the Constitution should be the law of the land or not?
Just because you like playing Live Action Airsoft and like reading Guns and Ammo and have posters of guns in your room, does not make you a gunslinger, buddy.
So your answer is No?
Dirty Harry was a cop. You’re right: I’m no cop. But that was never in dispute.
If you have no Combat Arms experience in the military (or just didn’t serve period, no excuse not to serve in your country’s military by the way) OR have no Law Enforcement experience, then you shouldn’t be playing Rambo.
Let some other Live Action Roleplay homo pry your HK airsoft from your dead cold hands, little buddy.
Cops have bigger fish to fry than waste their time trying to determine if a fat joker with a holstered gun is another Columbine nutcase. Don’t waste our time is all we ask!
Okay. Let’s try to put this to rest. You guys are pathetic. you’ve turned an intelligent blog about a serious issue into a virtual second-grade playground. Sometimes that happens. Thankfully, not often. You do no service to Mr. Dunphy, his issue, or your own arguments; you just make fools of yourselves. He was reasoned, articulate and intelligent; and I mostly agreed with him, as I said. He doesn’t need “friends” like you. No one does. So let’s walk through it, not because I have any hope for you but because you shouldn’t be allowed to get away with this immature stupidity.
First: I’m fat?! Really??!! What response did you expect from that? ” I know you are but what am I”? Or maybe “Shut-up!” “No YOO shut-up!”; No YOOOOO SHUUTUUUHUHUP!” There you have it. That’s the level you’re on. Pathetic. I was wrong to try and make light of it. In an adult it’s seriously, psychopathically dysfunctional.
Dirty Harry. Indeed. Rambo! WOW! You actually managed to make a terrible, self-contradictory and ill-informed argument even worse. I would have laid money that was impossible. Let’s walk through it: Dirty Harry Callahan was a cop fighting against an incompetent and absurdly PC police bureaucracy; an analogy completely at odds with what – I think (who can know) – you were trying to get at. Rambo: even worse. He was an ex-military fugitive from abusive law-enforcement. Incompetent law-enforcement/abusive law-enforcement: at best beside the point, and probably against the point you’ve been so desperately trying to get at which, I believe, was this:
VIGILANTISM.
You think that I think I’m a VIGILANTE – is that what you were stabbing at Reality? And we must not be vigilante, nor even protect ourselves; we must rely SOLELY on the heroic, always righteous, police. Right? Okay. Let’s assume I’ve read the tea leaves of your seven-year-old brain correctly and address that.
I don’t think I’m a vigilante. I never endorsed vigilantism. I never would. We need law and order. But in order for that to work in a free society – one based on justice – law-abiding people (by God-given RIGHT, not government-granted PERMISSION) must be allowed to PROTECT THEMSELVES FROM THE CRIME ITSELF, AS IT IS HAPPENING – not going out to seek revenge afterward. Do you see the difference? That’s what I am talking about. The police CANNOT be everywhere. They CANNOT interrupt every crime-in-progress. THEREFORE good people must be able to protect themselves from evil people; and this is a right from God, not based on anyone’s opinion, or any government’s policy. CAPICE? That’s my argument. If you disagree, fine; address it intelligently. I’d like to hear it – honestly! But not this nonsense!
Another issue you raised: No excuse for not serving in the military? Pray tell: who would NEED an excuse? It is neither legally nor morally required to serve in the military. It’s not even practically possible for everyone to do so. Just what would we do with a standing military of – what?! – 20 or 30 million soldiers?! How would we afford it?! What are you living in some Biblical-age tribal fantasy world?! Going into the military is a career choice: it’s a JOB. No more, no less. Same with the police. Doing it doesn’t automatically make one an hero.
Sounds to me like you’re the one with the delusions of grandeur, thinking you’re some kind of superhero – though you can’t seem to keep them straight. God forbid you actually are a cop. I pray that amidst all of your other bull this is not the one thing that actually does reflect Reality. You’re the last person I would ever want to depend on in any kind of crisis: immature, arrogant, with a hero-complex, unintelligent, unreasonable, stubborn, obnoxious. God help us if you could qualify for any police department in the nation!
At the end of the day you wanna-be militia types are all the same (I could care less about your diet and your weight problem). At the end of the day, YOU just want an excuse to play soldier or policeman. Why you never became one is your problem. Don’t make it ours by parading in Starbucks with empty holstered weapons just because you found a “loop-hole” in CA laws, generating BS calls for us–we’re busy.
You’ve found your level, apparently. God bless. God help you.
Look, Killer, If you’re really concerned about “your” safety, do what many heavy hitters do, carry a gun at all times concealed regardless of CA laws. If you get busted for carrying w/out a license oh well, but don’t politicized all this and waste our time.
I suggest you also take up martial arts, Killer. But most fat gun fanatics aren’t into martial arts, since they’re too lazy, just like they were too lazy to join up–military and/or police. I miss the days when the NRA was just all police, military and hunters, now we have a bunch of gun nuts.
Seriously, Killer, we’re just sick and tired of having to clear dumb calls of open carry empty gun having morons, when we could be doing real police work.
don’t parade it around = no radio calls = safer community because cops can take care of real criminal problems
I think there’s a automatic assumption that Stow was the good guy in this fight because he looks like a movie actor, white bread all American, maybe he started it and the fight just went the other way. Maybe.
la Raza 1: los Gabachos 0
We shall see what the scoreboard shows when we seal the border, deport your illegall asses and cut off your welfare checks. Then La Raza can act out in Mexico City and deal with the federales and the mexican Marines. Lots of luck, Pince Verga!
Remember, homes, we didn’t cross the border, the border crossed us. We’re just reclaiming what’s been ours–you the illegal aliens here, homes. Califas y Azlan para la Raza.
How about us, Afro-Americans, don’t people care about Black on Black violence anymore? We’re killing our own in the inner city and all you flunkies care about is your border and fighting the Latins. I can’t even go to Mississippi and marry a white woman because you guys are so scared of these Latins impregnating your hot, Holly Bobo lookin’, daughters, that you’ve made laws that prevent me from marrying too. Afro-Americans are as American as Apple Pie.
if u go to dodger stadium and have on different colors, my advise–don’t get caught slippin’.
Sadly Los Angeles celebrates it’s gang history more than any other city I can think of. Recently two afternoon radio talk show hosts gushed that “Not all gang bangers are bad.” How very cool. And don’t forget open minded.
“Not all Fortune 500 executives are good”.
Why in the world would anybody give a rat’s behind about California’s problems? I am serious as can be! California has worked *damned* hard and spent itself near to bankruptcy to cultivate their nearly unique extreme “Politically Correct” culture that is part & parcel of the problems they currently face — from the state level financial disaster, all the way down to crime at Dodger stadium and on further into each and every gutter neighborhood that is infested with gang-bangers.
I hate to sound trollish, but everyone knows I’m right when I say, “You’ve made your bed. Now lay in it!”
If you can dig yourself out of the massively deep, morally-crippled hole you’ve dug for yourself — I will applaud your efforts. But don’t expect any sympathy or much support from anyone else. It’s time for some “tough-love”. It’s time for California to sink or swim. The answer to your troubles ain’t in our pockets. Best of luck.
owner Frank McCourt penny pinched on security because this billionaire wanted to support his and his wife’s extravagant lifestyle. No security plus cheap beers equals violent crimes, this is what happened. kinda like Wall Street, the rich get away with murder and the poor get the shaft.