From Russia With Love: Iran Gets Top Air Defense System
Esmaeil Kosari, deputy head of the Iranian parliament’s foreign affairs and national security commission, recently announced that Russia had started supplying components for S-300 surface-to-air missile systems to Iran. The sophisticated S-300 missile defense system is capable of intercepting 100 ballistic missiles or aircraft at once within a range of over 90 miles at low and high altitudes. They are also effective against cruise missiles and, because of their range, a danger to non-combat aircraft such as AWACS planes, stand-by rescue planes, and other planes with protective missions.
Iran’s defense minister, Mostafa Mohammad-Najjar, also verified such delivery, adding that Tehran would elaborate on the missile defense system “when the occasion presents itself.”
The U.S. administration’s failure to serve notice to Russia after its delivery of the TOR M-1 air defense system earlier this year to Iran has emboldened Russia to disregard the international community’s will in stopping Iran from its pursuit of building a nuclear bomb. The mullahs who rule over Iran will soon have the means to protect their nuclear sites against any possible attacks by Israel or the United States. Revolutionary Guards personnel were sent to Russia to train on the S-300 system, so when the missile system was delivered to Iran, the Guards personnel were ready for its deployment.
Iran, which has defied the world and the UN Security Council with the continuation of its uranium-enrichment process, is also expanding its ballistic missile program, which currently is capable of targeting Tel Aviv, Riyadh, U.S. bases in Iraq, and the Fifth Fleet headquarters in Bahrain. Now with these new air defense systems, Iranian leaders feel more protected in their pursuit of a nuclear bomb.
When I worked as a spy for the CIA in the Revolutionary Guards, I reported on Moscow’s cooperation with the mullahs in establishing their intelligence infrastructure and providing military help in the mullahs’ confrontation with the West. The Russians and the mullahs share one common goal: the end of U.S. superiority and influence in the Middle East and the world. Therefore, any collaboration between the two that undermines the U.S. and the West both financially and militarily is seen as a legitimate act, and it is with this in mind that Russia will back Iran in its pursuit of nuclear arms to destabilize the balance of power in the Middle East; embolden Hezbollah, Hamas, and Syria; and bring fear among U.S. allies in the Persian Gulf.
“Let this be a wake-up call to U.S. officials.”
U. S. officials don’t ever wake up, their paychecks come in like phases of the moon, then they retire.
We now have in charge the Volvo driving, Free Tibet stickered, America worst faction of the American psyche.
Iranian regime? Nothing Kumbya and group hugs can’t cure.
The American people have been hitting snooze since Reagen. Iran will get the bomb because the people are collectively weak willed, penetrated by traitors and miseducated. Iran will use the bomb, if not directly than by surrogates. THEN Americans will :
1. Demand instant action
2. Blame whomever the Democrat publicity services (MSM) tell them who to blame.
3. Go back to their usual tunnel vision unless their lives are changed in some fundamental way.
It ugly, it hurts, but it’s the truth. /sigh
#1 Paul: right on
Warren Buffet, an age old liberal and no neo-con, has said that he expects us to be nuked in the near future. Iran will be the supplier.
Great piece Reza Kahili.
There will be no awakening in America until we are nuked. Still 20% of the population here thinks 911 was a Bush plot and apparently 75% of the population think Obama will talk sense into the Mullahs. The odds of an American awakening before a tragedy are 0.
Of course, Israel does have nuclear-tipped missiles. Anti-aircraft defenses might be irrelevant.
Sadly, tragically, I have to concur with Paul and Ozzie, not to mention the author. On the official website, Present-dent Obomber has officially downgraded our position about Iran to “troubling” and military action is nowhere to be found as a response to Iran’s pursuit of the A-bomb. America has moved from merely asleep to completely unconscious.
The Israelis are somewhat of a mystery now. Their recent actions in Lebanon and now Gaza show hesitancy to complete the mission. Will they go through with attacking Iran? I remember a story about how the Egyptians bought a very sophisticated radar station from France (who else?) and the Israelis sent a commando team in and literally dismantled it and brought it home. Maybe some sort of daring special ops thing like this is in order, at least to pave the way for an aerial strike.
Time is running out and now it is totally up to them to do what we should have helped them do. G-d help us all.
Hold the phone! You mean Iran will soon have the means to defend itself from foreign invaders?!!? Oh the horror!
“The mullahs will soon be able to protect their nuclear sites against attacks by Israel or the U.S.”
Sounds good to me. Or do you think countries should allow others to bomb them?
Codename “wally” indeed! Was this name given by a Brit?
RV:
You are a dhimmi, or an actuall member of the death cult so stfu.
Reasonable Man:
Nice name for an unreasonable dumba$$, get out of your moms basement and see the death cult in all it glory
RV and Reasonable Man…”or do you think countries should allow others to bomb them?”
So, what are you saying? It’s ok for the poor misunderstood Mullahs to bomb and murder at a Jewish Center in Argentina, kill US Marines in Lebanon, and bomb and explode a commercial airliner – and to claim the West are bad guys just because they don’t want them to have nuclear weapons?
Who are the foreign invaders? Sorry, didn’t realize Argentina, Lebanon and international airspace are the sovereign territories of Iran.
Sounds good to me. More stuff for the IAF to blow up. SAMs are targets too…
@6. RV: and 7. Reasonable Man:
Yep, they can go about building their bombs in safety, them they can blow the hell out of Saudi Arabia (infidel Sunnis) the Joooooos (pig-dogs!) and most of the Euroweenies.
I worked for a while in what was at the time refered to as an “insane asylum”. I learned that when the inmates told you that they planned to do something you had best take them seriously. It might sound crazy and self-destuctive but they would do it at the first opportunity.
The people in charge of Iran truly beleive what they say. They want to bring about the coming of the 13th Imam and care little if they are destroyed in the process (as that would ensure their ticket to Paradise). When they talk about “blinding flashes of light” they aren’t talking about having a personal revelation, they are talking about killing millions of people. Thereby they can assure their own elevation to martyr status.
Just because you cannot bring yourself to buy into the madness doesn’t mean it’s not real.
Standing by and letting the Iranians build a series of atomic weapons is like turning Jeffrey Dahmer loose in a playground with an axe and a bottle of barbeque sauce. Quite often the future is hard to predict, but, at times, it is blinding clear that a disaster is approaching.
Didn’t the Syrians have the Top Russian Air Defense System? How’d that work out for them when their Nuke Lab was taken out?
MS and others:
Get ready for the avalanche of Islamofascist shill on conservative blogs because the Messiah freed them from concealment.
People like #6 and #7 are reveling in the sight of hanging Iranians from the tip of cranes, they would burst into orgasm when the police beat to a pulp women in Iran for improper clothing; – and I assume – without proof, only by sheer conjuncture, that they applauded the Russian cruelty in Georgia.
They deeply revere the Mullah and Putin as beacon of freedom and justice and strongly support the hidden 12th. Imam who is about to hatch from nowhere.
Doc99 I was led to believe that the jamming was done from different source than the strike aircraft, my source may be wrong. It would be nice to see them wasting money on useless junk.
It was revealed yesterday:In 2004 Iranian naval authorities participated in a Russian test of the Shkval torpedo.It is believed that the Hoot torpedo developed by Iranian Revolutionary Guards is based on the Russian-made Shkval anti-ship missile.
“Let this be a wake-up call to U.S. officials.” A good one! They were awake and did nothing,don’t expect anything now that they have gone in to hibernation. The mullahs are having a field day! And Israel didn’t have the guts to go after them,instead they went after Hamas,the little evil and could not even finish them. Mullahs with the nukes on the menu!
But hey! the Russian deny it.
http://en.rian.ru/world/20081225/119166824.htmlSo why would you believe some Iranian?
Didn’t you learn anything from believing Saakashvili?
The Russians don’t lie all teh time.
Agree with several posters: our government has and is failing us and the world on Iran. They have decided that it’s ok for terrorists to have nukes.
Just a wild guess, but could those scores of hundred billion dollars we’ve given our _friends_ and actual enemies, for oil and products, be now coming back to influence and cajole our government and institutions into doing nothing? Could it be that these large somes of money have helped create such corruption therein, that said institutions no longer represent USA, but now tilt away from our best interests, favoring foreign interests?
I’m not sure what is so complicated about the cause of our national muddling is, once the sums of foreign money and it’s ability to dominate our own institutions, is understood. Seems like a matter of intelligence to me. Are you with me?
Sadly this new President won’t feel compelled to take any action deemed aggressive and liable for criticism by a bunch of third world despots at the UN. This is really, REALLY bad news.
Iran is marching on a dual plan of atomic weapons and advanced missile development. This spells trouble in a big way for western Europe. The mullahs no doubt are dreaming about taking out Rome, and Vatican City.
Have a real bad feeling about this and frankly, seen this developing for a while. It’s like being in a bad dream and not being able to stop it. We already know the Euro talks have been an abysmal failure.
“I’m not sure what is so complicated about the cause of our national muddling is, once the sums of foreign money and it’s ability to dominate our own institutions, is understood. Seems like a matter of intelligence to me. Are you with me?”
I am with you bud.Money talks!
Ah, for the good old days when Russia was broke. Now, we are.
This air defense would prove a problem for Israel. But against the US the defense relies on radar guidance. Radar is obsolete against stealth attack aircraft. Should the US have the will (which it will not till we are nuked) these air defense installations will last about 1 hour.
Next generation cruise missles and pilotless drones are also every bit as stealthy. Don’t lose one minutes sleep over this news. Its 20th century technology.
The Israeli shutdown of the Russian built syrian system was even more sophisticated than jamming and is believed to have been done by an electronic warfare aircraft. The system can look down and actually hack into and take control of the AA computer control system. Other kinds of jamming were, and have been deployed, also electronic or other decoys can be used.
The entire hugely expensive system can be rendered about as useful as scrap metal with one well designed electronic box.
It is possible that the Russians have found a solution to this but I wouldnt be so sure that they are going to share that with the Iranians. It would be more their style to lie about it and tell them it was resistant while keeping the secret for themselves. They are constantly selling big expensive systems which dont work when the actual shooting starts. Why give anything away? It could be turned against the Russians one day or sold to who knows else.
As for the silly Hout missile that is another bit of crap the Mullahs love to brag about. The Russians made one in the ’70s and nobody has bothered with it since. It is totally unguided and fired from a surface vessel. Maybe you sould take out a freighter or a cruise ship with it from a short range. Then the silly-assed Iranians claim it is sonor evading? Really? a rocket powered supercavitating missile going through the water at 100km/hr is sonar evading? The laws of physics dont work in the Persian Gulf I guess.
I do not really understand the Iranian and Arab styles of boasting about everything military. They just look ridiculous when it is obviously just old technology repainted to look like something new.
It always sounds something like “Our new super-secret atomic-ray underground jew-seeking stealth missile will destroy the entire Zionist aggressor army the very minute it steps foot in Gaza”
Then a week later they stand on the rubble of their own headquarters and declare victory.
May they have many more such victories.
Next week Iran will announce that they have discovered a new electronic device which can turn bread into toast in mere minutes.
Spindok
I remember a story about how the Egyptians bought a very sophisticated radar station from France (who else?)
SOURCES ????
ummm, here it says that the radar stations are more likely an US and Russian concern
http://www.cdi.org/weekly/1999/issue05.html
France is currently Egypt’s leading wheat supplier, ahead of Australia and the United States.
http://www.sis.gov.eg/VR/erupeanvisit/frontpage/enhtml/france/html/re-eco-e.htm
The Soviets had sold the Egyptians new technology – better surface to air missiles (SAM) and hand held Sager anti-tank weapons. Israel had counted on air power to tip the balance on the battlefield, and had neglected artillery. But the Israeli air-force was initially neutralized because of the effectiveness of SAM missiles, until Israel could destroy the radar stations controlling them. Futile counterattacks continued in Sinai for several days as Israeli divisions coped with traffic jams that prevented concentration of forces, and with effective Egyptian resistance.
http://www.mideastweb.org/egypthistory.htm
OK, Sefton doesn’t mean well informed, but rather lazy, though good at BS
Israel will get assistance if needed when the time comes to take care of the Shitte A Bomb…the Russkies will have to get paid before the expensive defense system gets tested.
LoL… Like we did not know this info before. CIA seems to be a sad place run by sad people.
I wouldnt want to be assigned to manning these air defense posts. They are target number one. Iraq had one of the most advanced air defense systems in the field, we saw how well that worked. Iraq faced first generation steath technology, current aircraft are a step beyond that. The CIA didn’t comment on this sale, because they couldnt care less. They are just more targets.
This might sound strange, but if I try to recall military actions where Russian technology was used, it seems as if the technology never works as advertised. It only seems to work against unarmed people. The Afghans defeated the entire Russian army with, I believe, three guns.
Great article and list of Iranian criminals and their crimes against humanity. Now if the Obama Administration takes notice….
Great comment from ‘naftali’. Russian equipment works great just out of the factory, but after that day, the warranty expires.
i wonder at what point it becomes useful, publicly, to point out to the earth that virtually none of these problem countries or proxies could be what they are without the help and support and cover provided by russia. what is it about russia that it gets all these massive free passes for the absolutely worst, least ambiguously disgusting behavior?
Yep lets have the mullahs get the nukes. we Got much stronger nukes,we could turn them to dust but only after they have killed millions and turned the oil fields in the Gulf in to a radioactive dump AND armed Hezbolah and Hamas with dirty bombs!Wouldn’t that show our strength?LOL
“Russian equipment works great just out of the factory, but after that day, the warranty expires.”
Yes, quality control is not in the Russian vocabulary.
So the US, RUSSIA,ISRAEL e.t.c all have the right to have nuclear bombs but not IRAN hmmmm. We’ve seen examples of the “responsible restraint” those who have these bombs claim to have over them with the use of “depleted uranium”, very soon they will use the “enriched” type and still come back to tell us that it’s safe to do so
May I recommend a book that I am currently reading:
“Shadow World: Resurgent Russia, the Global New Left, and Radical Islam” by Robert Chandler
We’ve lost the war already. Western Civilization is hanging in there, but is on the wane. The American people are just too dumb to figure it all out. We’re finished.
I cannot see us winning this war, even if the people should wake up and have the sudden urge to disregard our MSM (which is effectively Pravda now). I’m not just being pessimistic. I’m being realistic. We are finished.
There is neither the will nor the brains to win this fight for Western Civilization. Our grandchildren will curse us. The new Dark Age has begun.
But I thought out messiah, Mr. Obama, was going to talk to the Iranians and that everything would be just swell between us and them? You mean, Hilary Clinton isn’t going to be using that “soft” power to just convince those wacky Iranian mullahs that we all want peace, so why not just “get on board” and be part of the big peace “team?” And do you really mean to tell me that the Iranians are really using all of that nuclear technology to make a nuclear bomb and not just for electricity, like the Iranian president says? You mean they could actually be lieing about all of that and that they really do want to wipe Israel off the map with nuclear weapons? Say it ain’t so, Mr. Obama!
If Iran gets a nuclear weapon within the next four years, Obama will be in deep, deep, trouble. Worse, what is he going to do when Iran actually does become a nuclear power? I don’t think they’re going to be in much of a mood to “talk” to Obama once that happens. But, hey, this is hope and change time, right? Let’s “hope” the Iranians “change” their minds and decide not to wipe Israel off the map.
HEH PIPER.. Depleted uranium is used for weapons to kill people. You want to make a safer bullet? Perhaps use lead instead?? Lead is a safe metal. And failure to destroy the ememy because you used an inferior material.. that give him time to instead kill you with a safe bullet. Soldiers have been surrounded with depleted uraniam armor for years… and NOW suddenly it’s a problem? Better to protect them with good old steel right? Sure the missle fired at them is likely to penetrate, but they may not be exposed to a DU. They will be dead however. Bummer.
No country has a “right” to anything, piper. You must be able to keep it. Sure if Iran thinks it in their best interests to create nuclear weapons they have the “right” to do so. However, if Israel decides it not to be in their best interests…. they have the “right” to blow the crap out of them.
Piper, the last thing we need is for the Jihadists having nukes.The world might seem crazy to you now but then it will become a loony place to live.
Why do you attack obama so? he’s not even up to a week old in office,yet you talk as if he’s spent years and done nothing. Bush was there for years but he knew better than to open up a third front with iran despite his tough stance on the issue. That should tell you that striking iran is not that easy as you guys seem to put it here
The simple way to defeat a weapons system like is to give it lots of targets to shoot down. Send in hundreds of decoys or UAVs. When the Iranians have emptied all their rounds from their expensive air defense system then you can hit ‘em all day with real planes and weapons in comparative safety. Not exactly rocket science.
To Brian(37)
I can do without the insult brian,if you can’t convey whatever you have in mind without being disrespectful just ignore my comment(s) next time.
Pardi,I agree with you that insults are totally unneccessary.Now please explain why you think its okay for Jihadists to get nukes?Do you feel they would act responsibly? Or you don’t care about the consequences?If they helped Hezbollah and Hamas with building rockets and creating chaos,don’t you think having nukes will be a disaster?
How ironic:
American warship “San Antonio” detained a ship carrying missiles and ammunitions to Gaza Strip. APA reports that hazardous substances were found in the ship rented by Iran. “Monchegorsk” ship dating back to USSR times was registered in Limassol port and sailed under the flag of Cyprus. The crew of the detained ship did not resist. US military command contacted Egyptian government and wanted the ship to be seriously examined in Suez Canal.
Fred,
I don’t think that Iran getting nuclear weapons and Russia helping them with all aspects of their strategic threat matters to these people. If it was considered a threat, their logic would incline them in another direction. But the premise for many of these people is that the United States is The Evil Power and anything any other nation can do to enhance our sense of insecurity is fine by them. Doesn’t matter who it is who has the gun pointed at our heads, as long as it’s SOMEONE.
These hostile nations are glad that Barack Obama and, especially, Joe Biden are now in the house. Biden was opposed to ballistic missile defense back in the late Eighties when the program was theory and in the early stages of development. He opposed it in the Nineties, and he still opposes it. Now, if you are Vladimir Putin and if you can use proxies and intermediaries to speculate in the oil futures markets to push oil prices up and cause a severe recession in the United States, wouldn’t you do it? If you thought it may very well help get the team you want elected? Of course you would.
We are in big trouble. I’m not saying Barack Obama deliberately wants to help America’s enemies. I’m pretty sure he would never do that. But, there are blind spots in how he sees the world’s conflicts. And you have to remember that his life is populated, from the beginning, with people who are in the socialist-Communist orbit and worldview. It could plant the impression that the United States is at least partly to blame for the arms’ race and that the Soviet Union and others are only responding to our moves (instead of the other way around).
Keep in mind that Joe Biden was opposed to the military buildup in Western Europe that Pres. Carter started and then President Reagan accelerated and enhanced. Biden was opposed to putting the Pershing II missiles in Western Europe. He was opposed to putting the cruise missiles in W. Germany. Then, he was opposed to Reagan’s putting ballistic missile defense on the table. By the way, Joe Biden agreed with the House in 1974, when he was a junior senator, on cutting off aid to South Vietnam. The rest is history.
If you are the Mullahs, Vladimir Putin, Communist China, North Korea, Cuba, Venezuela, and various Islamic organizations, the outcome of November’s election was an amazing elixir.
Make no mistake about it. We are in big trouble.
During the Cold War there was Mutual Assured Destruction between America and Russia. If either attacked first both sides knew. Both countries would be destroyed. Iran does not care if half their people are killed as long as they kill millions of Israelis and Americans. That is the difference. The time to attack Iran was after our air force was done in Iraq and the ground battle began in 2003. Instead we let the Neville Chamberlains of Europe say Pretty please with sugar on top dont build your big bad bombs. It feels like 1932 all over again and those who don’t know history are doomed to repeat it except thankfully Germany didn’t have nukes.
Read on Debka how Iran is rearming Hamas. They drop containers from ships to a certain depth in the sea and the current carries the containers closer to shore. Containers are then programmed to surface and picked up by Gaza fishermen.
“if I try to recall military actions where Russian technology was used, it seems as if the technology never works as advertised.”
It worked pretty well in North Vietnam.
I agree, however, that the IAF will have no problem defeating this new super-system.
The mullahs are keeping real busy:
On January 7, the Turkish government officially announced that the Iranian regime’s shipments seized at the Mediterranean port of Mersin contained enough material to set up an explosive lab. Suleyman Tosun, a senior Turkish customs official, said that after a search of 22 containers labelled “tractor parts,” it was concluded that they do not contain such material at all, but that instead authorities detected illegal lab equipment with fake B/Ls (Bill of Landing) and labels.
The shipment was transported to the port of Mersin by a truck from Iran. One kind of material detected inside the shipments were chemicals such as Nitrate and Sulphite with “danger” signs attached to their containers. Turkish officials said that these are material used for explosives.
Spindok, comment 24, I couldn’t agree more with your take on ME mentality when it comes to, ‘Modern defense.’
Having spent time in Riyadh and Al Kharj a couple times, it’s plain to see the antique-like ‘firepower’ the Saudis do possess.
Nonetheless, all these Russkie/Iranian dealings won’t stop Putin from being Time’s, ‘Man of the Year’ again in the future.
I remember a Saudi air traffic controller being fascinated with the heating device for our MRE’s. This was ’97 and the MRE’s dated the early 90′s. We’d even had some from the late 70′s, suffice to say, still edible. Though with those oldie but ‘goodies’ we’d used our Chevy’s engine block as a crude microwave.
Great news but we will have to wait a few years:
The American Lockheed Martin F-35 stealth Lightning Joint Strike Fighter is designed to destroy Russia’s S-300 anti-aircraft missile systems, its developers say. The F-35′s capability is particularly relevant in this time of increased concern over Russia’s alleged sale of S-300s to Iran, a nation that has repeatedly threatened to “wipe Israel off the map.”
According to Pravda.ru, Lockheed Martin Executive Vice President of F-35 Program Integration Tom Burbage said that, with acquisition of the F-35 fighters, Israel should no longer fear the possibility of facing S-300 systems in Syria and Iran. The computer simulations have demonstrated that the Lightning can defeat Russia’s S-300 in combat.
The Russian S-300 system (NATO designations SA-10 Grumble, SA-12 Giant/Gladiator, SA-20 Gargoyle) is considered to be one of the most advanced surface-to-air SAM systems in the world. The long-range surface-to-air missile system defends against aircraft, cruise and ballistic missiles.
Although the sale of the S-300 to Iran is not prohibited, such a deal would be a game-changer in the Middle East. First, with S-300′s range of close to 200 kilometers (120 miles), Tehran could threaten U.S. and allied troops deployed in Afghanistan and Iraq, if it were to deploy the system along Iran’s borders. Second, it would boost the defense of Iran’s Bushehr reactor, which Russia has built. Finally, Tehran also could use S-300s to protect its Natanz uranium-enrichment plant.
It’s all a question of timing and capabilities. Experts estimate it may take up to one year after delivery for Iran to install S-300s and make them operational. The F-35s will be available to Israel no earlier than in 2011-2013, according to defense industry estimates. The sand in the Middle Eastern doomsday scenario clock is running out.
fred “I don’t think that Iran getting nuclear weapons and Russia helping them with all aspects of their strategic threat matters to these people.”
What can I tell you.Some people like to put their head in the sand.
Bugs:
“if I try to recall military actions where Russian technology was used, it seems as if the technology never works as advertised.”
It worked pretty well in North Vietnam.
I agree, however, that the IAF will have no problem defeating this new super-system.
Some Russian stuff is very good.
Your point is moot, though. The US will not let IAF cross Iraqi airspace because the Iraqis do not want it, and our own reasons. Doing so would make us complicit in a sneak attack that violated Arab airspace and drag us into a major military struggle involving all the ME that almost all American military and defense strategists (outside the few remaining Right Wing Christian Zionist/Neocon sympathies in high places) do not want to see us dragged into. To be blamed as Zionist pawns for allowing or participating in a sneak attack by the rest of the world, which would be crippled by the economic effects. They would consider Nor will Turkey, Georgia&Azerbaijan permit a northern flypath that skirts Iraq.
Israel is out of luck in being able to start a conventional preemptive war against Iran.
Russia denies it has any current plans to ship it’s most advanced missile system to an erratic Muslim naion. It is using the threat of the S-300 missile system, and friendlier relations with Iran, plus the Shanghai Cooperative, renewed bomber patrols, and Latin American port visits as a way of signalling the US that Russia is sick of America meddling in it’s backyard “sphere of influence”. Notably Georgia, Ukraine, Khazakstan. And still highly disturbed about the anti-air, anti-missile system the US is placing in striking range of some of Russia’s most critical military forces.
The election of Obama and the destruction of Neocon suporters in Congress and in media&think tank “credibility” after their disasters – likely signals an end to Russian bear-baiting and a rejection of preemptive wars not in the US’s vital interest.
What everyone is waiting on is a “deal” that finalizes ME Borders, compensates refugees, provides security guarantees for countries in the region including Iran, peaceful nuclear power, and a WMD-free ME. A deal that if not agreed to, will be imposed..
To FRED(42)
Thank you for your comment and question. I don’t want anybody- including those who have it already and those who are seeking it- to have nukes,that such a thing as lethal as that even exist is a tragedy for this world. We all know what effects this thing can have if something goes wrong (AS IN CHENOBYL)and as long as nuclear facilities are run by humans, something can definitely go wrong. Thank you.
There is an article out today by Oliver North warning Obama about negotiating with Iran. He should know best,he got screwed doing that.LOL
Piper, I am with you.Lets pray for a day that all nukes are dismantled and human being learns to live in peace side by side. I hope someday………
Fred, I’ll pray that the first (disarmament) does not come before the second (all humans peaceful).
Nukes saved millions of cannonfodder young men from going to their death in the second half of the 20th century when power-mad Russian leaders suddenly found their personal butts in the nuclear crosshairs. And it was our bible-thumping Armageddon-believing Reagan that brought about the most significant nuke reduction and moveback of the nuclear clock. And he did it by military superiority and some biblethumping (let my pentecostals go, Mr. Andropov)
I guess some of you saw the AP news story “Russia ready to cooperate with US on Afghanistan”. Talk about mixed messages, in contrast to this blog.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090124/ap_on_re_eu/eu_russia_us_afghanistan;_ylt=ApsG2Gmq_dvbxBD2t6HyuvdvaA8F
Cooperation according to their best interests. When will they realize forming a tough coalition to halt uranium enrichment in Iran is also?
And what do you know, I surfed into this story from TimesOnline.
“Iran in scramble for fresh uranium supplies”
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/middle_east/article5576589.ece
Looks like they might be having problems aquiring yellow cake.
It is really worrisome that Iran will get Russian S-300.
Except, of course, that it is not true. But why is it matter for PM? The dirt will stick for some morons.
To Bugs “the IAF will have no problem defeating this new super-system”. Afraid to say I would disagree with you as without America’s tacit approval to embark on such a mission it would be well-nigh impossible for Israel to even attempt. This is no Osirak but a far more complicated and sophisticated system being used today. There is far more to learn about this than anyone knows and exactly what the truth is behind it all should be gleaned before the IAF or anyone would embark on such a deadly mission.
#56 tatsat, I agree but now that everybody has it pointing at each other, it needs to be removed or one day Dr.Strangelove will come out of the shadows and we will all turn to dust.
Sylvie, you are right in your statement about the system.Here is what I found:
U.S. defense experts are concerned that America is falling behind Russia and China in a new missile arms race. Russia is now threatening to spark a global arms race with the development and transfer of a new series of missiles.
Top among the new threats is the recent movement of the Russian made S-300PMU missiles by the Chinese Army, NATO code named SA-10C “Grumble”.
U.S. intelligence sources confirmed for NewsMax.com that the Chinese Army has deployed dozens of the deadly new air defense missiles directly opposite Taiwan
“The S-300PMU is simply a highly effective fast SAM (surface-to-air missile) that is very hard to jam and stop,” stated Richard Fisher, a senior fellow at the Jamestown Foundation.
“The PLA is now placing their S-300s in bases along the Taiwan Strait. Taiwan has little defense against this effective SAM and even lacks stand-off weapons like the HARM anti-radar missile to counter the S-300. In 2001 Taiwan has little choice but to sacrifice many aircraft to take out these SAM sites in order to avoid having to cede half the Strait in the event of an air battle.”
Transfer to Iran
To make matters worse, Pentagon officials quietly confirmed that Russia has also sold S-300 missiles to Iran.
According to defense intelligence officials, joint Russian/Iranian crews currently man S-300 units just outside of Tehran and Iranian Army soldiers are now undergoing operational training on the advanced missile system in Moscow.
The Russian missile sale to Iran may alter the defense equation as viewed by the Pentagon and the oil rich Persian Gulf.
There is no question the S-300 missile is a threat to the air forces of U.S. allies such as Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Japan, and Taiwan. None are equipped with aircraft that can counter the new Russian missile.
The Almaz S-300PMU is considered the best Russian air defense missile available, equal to the U.S. Army Patriot, and can destroy any current western fighter aircraft.
Pentagon officials quietly assert that that America currently does not have the air power to counter the deadly S-300 missile.
“Over the Persian Gulf, the S-300 will significantly raise the cost of combat to opposing Arab air forces, and make future U.S. air operations far more difficult.”
SAF:
“Warren Buffet, an age old liberal and no neo-con, has said that he expects us to be nuked in the near future.”
I’m not sure that’s exactly what he said. He’s a reinsurance guru these days, and he was asked about the risk from nuclear terrorism – he said he believed it was a virtual certainty, but I don’t think he specified any time frame. I think he’s right. Super-villains (or lucky bozos) will get the necessary money or access to creepy governments’ stuff sooner or later, and the number of nuclear powers seems unlikely to ever decrease, so it’s just a matter of time before that happens (albeit time being very large). I wouldn’t get too freaked out about it – you’re infinitely more likely to die of natural causes or misadventure.
And I doubt very much that iran would have anything to do with it. That would run completely counter to their obvious self-interest, and they’re way too politically stable to worry about any of their nukes getting onto the market accidentally. There are other much more likely culprits, IMHO.
For the bulk of human history humanity has been trying to wipe out the Jews (as Iranian and other clerics have said in more honest moments, Zionism is supported by these states – the more Jews come to Israel to be destroyed the fewer will need to be hunted down later). Europe and the Western nations put their lust for Jewish blood on the back burner to simmer after the Nazis made it the hatred embarrassing for a while but they have pretty much gotten over it. They once again slander and defame Jews with a venom which is truly caustic; in the media, on the pulpit and at high levels of public.
Only two things have saved the Jews over the millennia: the desire of the Jews to survive and the incompetence of the rest of humanity to carryout its genocidal obsession.
The nuclear program is part of the plan to wipe out Israel but it is not the only aspect and in the end, probably will not be what does it. The making of the region unlivable via contamination by radioactive contamination, possibly with some chemical toxins will probably be what does it in the end. Once that is accomplished the task of hunting down the survivors will begin. Beyond rhetoric of condemnation, nothing will be done to stop any of it.
Snake Oil Baron typed:
“The nuclear program is part of the plan to wipe out Israel but it is not the only aspect and in the end, probably will not be what does it. The making of the region unlivable via contamination by radioactive contamination, possibly with some chemical toxins will probably be what does it in the end. Once that is accomplished the task of hunting down the survivors will begin. Beyond rhetoric of condemnation, nothing will be done to stop any of it.”
SOB offers one of many scenarios that may or may not happen.
The explosion of a nuclear bomb (or plural) is high priority for the USA defense ministry. A dirty bomb ranks high on the list also.
ABC will be airing “Earth 2100″ sometime this year, which describes more ways, and in detail, the earth could be heading for peril.
Here’s the link:
http://earth2100.tv/
Here’s a link to the Earth 2100 comment page:
http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/Story?id=5045549&page=1
Enjoy your life and let’s just hope it doesn’t turn into an agonizing one, by doing what we can to prevent it from happenning.
You can hate me for trying.
Russia plans to increase its nuclear arsenal four-fold. Russian S-400 may be world’s best.
http://current.com/items/89655652/russia_to_raise_nuclear_missile_output_fourfold.htm
http://www.upi.com/Security_Industry/2008/12/31/Russias_S-400_air_defense_system_may_be_worlds_best/UPI-36691230740065/
Israeli,
On the water issue in Israel, have or are they utilizing this process?
http://www.technologyreview.com/Nanotech/16977/?a=f
With its vast air power, Israel could not beat Hizbollah which had less than 15000 fighters. The western nations always believe Israel is a miracle and can do wonders because Israel shattered three Arab armies in six days in l967. Iran with a population of 67 million with an estimated 7 million voluntary Basij fighters are to be reckoned with. Do not underestimate Iran and lose a war. Use diplomacy. The war on Afghanistan is also unwinnable as no country in the history had Afghanistan under its control.
The Great Nation of Iran is a warrior against imperalist barbarian America and its demon allay zionist racist babykillers.
These 2 evildoers can not bare to see any country is rejecting their illegally imposed demonic plans to occoupy and steal and kill the freedom fighters and even concioucious objectors to their zionist crimes.
The whole systems of education,media and religion is putting into work by evildoers trying to colonize the developing countries and
destroying their resources by stealing them however possible.
Any thinking man diffferent belief resisting this holocust and barbarizum is being named terrorisum.
Iran will stop being any problem for slaved western culture as soon as it stop calling the zionist racist the evil that they are.
Iran willnot stop talking truth to please USA;zionist evil.
Long live Goverment of Iran and PAlestian resistance.