From ‘Hope and Change’ to ‘Fear and Loathing’
And thus speaketh a president who, for all his rhetorical gifts, can’t seem to muster the words that would give the American people the one thing desperately needed at this point in American history — hope.
That’s right. The candidate of “Hope and Change” has decided to be a president who espouses “Fear and Loathing.” Fear of financial Armageddon unless we do as we are told and blindly give in to his $900 billion panic panacea for the economy and loathing of the opposition — an opposition Obama unfairly portrays as opposing him out of spite and because a popular talk radio host is telling them what to do.
It is a far cry from the way Franklin Roosevelt and Ronald Reagan handled economic crises that in some ways were more dire than what Barack Obama is facing today. Both men came to office at a time when the American spirit was limping and lost. Both men were confronted with unprecedented economic problems (double digit inflation and interest rates in 1981 were an impossibility according to the books).
And yet, both men eschewed fear mongering and sought to lift the people out of themselves in order to bring back hope and allow the natural optimism of the American people to come to the fore. Arguments rage to this day whether FDR’s massive spending helped or hurt the economy. And Reagan’s tax cuts began a spiral of deficits that, save for a brief period in the 1990s, fostered a climate of “let the kids pay for it” on Capitol Hill.
But few can argue that FDR and the Gipper didn’t succeed in changing the dynamics of the crisis they were facing by inspiring the people to believe in themselves again and that better times were ahead.
Obama does not want Americans to believe in themselves. He wants them to believe in him:
If we don’t move swiftly to put this plan in motion, our economic crisis could become a national catastrophe. Millions of Americans will lose their jobs, their homes, and their health care. Millions more will have to put their dreams on hold.
The truth should be dawning on all of us just about now that Democrats, Republicans, economists, Wall Street wizards, and even the high priests of monetary policy at the Federal Reserve have no idea how bad things are going to get or whether anything Congress does can improve the situation — much less stave off disaster. And that means that the only thing we have to hang our hats on is the credibility and trustworthiness of the president of the United States.
Instead of instilling confidence, Obama is selling fear. Instead of raising us up, he is crushing us with his rank appeal to partisanship. Instead of statesmanship, we get gimmicks like his stimulus bill that the Congressional Budget Office tells us will harm the economy in the long run.
It is amazing and frightening to think that less than three weeks into his presidency, Barack Obama is at risk of losing his credibility as a leader by threatening disaster unless his will be done. He may very well get what he wants when Congress passes this monstrosity despite it monumental flaws.
But at what cost? And is Obama capable of being the kind of leader who can inspire hope rather than generate fear?
So far, he has failed in that regard.
If this is such an emergency, why not strip out all spending in the bill that will not go into effect immediately, and pass the rest? I keep hearing that only some small percentage will help the economy right away. Fine. If it’s an emergency, THAT is the part that needs to pass. Correct?
If it’s not an emergency, and this is just an excuse to spend a trillion dollars on a shopping list the Democrats have been building up over the past 8 years, the current strategy makes sense. It’s also morally reprehensible.
“And is Obama capable of being the kind of leader who can inspire hope rather than generate fear?”
President Barack Obama is a very shallow and ill-educated man. This was obvious long ago to anybody paying attention. Guilt tripped whites and minorities with a chip on their shoulder, however, simply did care to look at the harsh facts. The man simply does not possess the skills and experience necessary to handle his present duties. How can Obama possibly inspire hope? He can only offer confused and feckless leadership. We are soon going to wish for the return of the glory years of Jimmy Carter.
Our politically correct culture does not consider a great scholar like Thomas Sowell to be “authentically black.” A real black must supposedly embrace quasi-Marxist economic and foreign policy doctrines. Thus, we were likely doomed to get a mediocrity like Obama in the White House. Most Americans regretfully have never heard of Professor Sowell.
Yes indeedy do. The “hope and change” has turned into “obey me ore else” with an angry, finger-pointing frown.
The spendulus package is a big, fat joke and anyone with two brain-cells to rub together knows better.
Our delicate, leetle hot-house orchid has some ‘splainin’ to do if he passes this spendgasmic bill with so much public disapproval. The dire fact/truth is that there is no guarantee in life. There is risk involved in the simple act of breathing in and out. So, I say…let’s take a deep breath, think a rational thought and suck it up like the brave soldiers we CAN be. What happened to the “AMERICAN SPIRIT”? We are better and stronger than this.
Shame on us if Barry the magic man boobs passes this ridiculous all-you-can-eat buffet down America’s throats. Our children and THEIR children don’t deserve this.
I have not ONE iota of faith in this current fraud of an administration.
“$900 billion panic panacea”? God help us.
This crisis is based on circumstantial truths. Sure people will say it’s not that dire. Those who still have an income. I think corporate greed is one of the main contributing factors and instead of spreading the wealth through the IRS, it should of been done at ground level. How the hell is the economy supposed to function if all the wealth is being horded?
Is there a limit to how far capatalism can become unbalanced?
Please – let us separate the myth from the facts. FDR used much the same playbook as Obama is using now. Read his speeches during his first term and you will see the message of diminished expectations about the future. Both FDR and his social policy advisors looked to Europe (especially the Facisist and Socialist totalitarian regimes) as the models for the future – central planning and control of the economy by government to redistribute the limited resources being produced by the government. FDR did not save us. His failed experiments with the economy only prolonged the misery.
More to the point, The One’s attempts to frighten us into swallowing his $1.1 trillion (once interest, etc., is figured in) crap sandwich carefully fails to mention two salient points;
1. This is all deficit spending. He anticipates borrowing the money, as we don’t have it. The question is, who’s going to lend it to him? China? Europe? The corporations he blames for the mess? Or is he going to balance the books by the time-honored method of seizing private assets “for the greater good”? Has he even thought this far ahead? (My guess is, “no”, as logic does not seem to be The Lightworker’s strong suit.)
2. He claims we need this “right now”, but even his staunchest supporters (Reich, Reid, etc.) admit that none of it will “kick in” for at least two years. This sounds to me suspicioualy like the old political gambit of waiting for things to get better on their own, and then claiming credit for it. If so, why do we need to spend money we don’t have anyway?
3. Demagoguery is quick, satisfying, and gives the one using it a feeling of power, especially if he has a Greek chorus of news media who are singing backup. What it doesn’t do is make the impossible possible, no matter what numbers are hallucinated by whom (hat tip to Scott Adams). If The One doesn’t believe this, he might want to look up the political careers of Ramsay MacDonald, Herbert Hoover, Juan and Eva Peron’, and of course Jimmy Carter. To say nothing of Benito Mussolini, who after 21 years was fired by his own government not just for getting his country into an unwinnable war, but also for transforming the third-strongest economy in Europe (after Britain and France- 1922) into the second-weakest within a decade (the only one weaker was Albania-1933). By methods remarkably similar to those The One advocates in the name of “sacrifice” and “bi-partisanship”.
The greatest fallacy of “progressivism” is the belief that socialism, syndicalism, etc., can be made to work, but that everyone else who ever tried it just “didn’t get it right”, and the modern, “enlightened” progressives will avoid their mistakes. In reality, it is no more possible to “get socialism right” than it is to “get the phlogiston theory of combustion right”- because both are based on fundamental misunderstandings of how the real world works.
Of course, as a lifelong politician and “community organizer”, The One’s contact with reality is at best slight and uncertain. Something those who voted for him should have realized before doing so.
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“We’ve got to do something!! Anything!!!!” This is the excuse for spending a trillion dollars of our grandchildren’s money on a patchwork of programs that aims in a myriad of directions: it is not targeted, it is not temporary and, based on the CBO analysis, it’s not even timely. But The One who (s)cares for us will tell us tonight that, if we don’t pass the Dems’ laundry list of spending projects, we’re in for economic catastrophe or Armageddon – or maybe Mr. Silver Tongue will come up with an even more dire prediction of what will happen if we don’t bend to His Will.
Delia has it right, “hope and change” has turned into I hope you make the changes I want, or else. The cool attitude seems to only be on display when things are going Obama’s way. Thus far his ideas, or those of his administration, are not sealing the deal so he has to use strong emotion to try and get his agenda passed. Someone better put a new speech on the ol’ teleprompter to jumpstart the President who is still acting like a candidate.
Where are the guardians of truth? Where are our those brave souls who have repeatedly told us that they did not have a “bias” in their reporting of facts?
Where are our “best and brightest” in academia, to hold fast to the standards of intellectual purity and critical thinking consistency? Silent and cowering before the altar of leftism to which they have sacrificed their souls.
The Skimulus package before us is a tithing to the church of leftism, nothing more. It is capitalism …bound, gagged and dragged to the precipice. We are about to throw it into the pit and watch it burn. For some, this is the intent. For others, they are so immersed in the cult of leftism, they don’t recognize the flames licking at their feet.
They only question remains, for those who support this grave sacrifice of our great nation…are you standing their on the altar…with the evil or the stupid?
As pointed out at nauseum Obama voted present at least 100 times while an Illinois rep. If he couldn’t or wouldn’t make the trivial decisions what makes one believe he can make the important ones?
When can we start calling the tent cities Obamavilles? Maybe Obama will carry through on his threat to invade Pakistan to create jobs. Surely some justification, such as children’s education or women’s rights, can be used to re-enact the draft and make the unwilling do The One’s bidding. That would certainly be Change™, but not the kind I want.
“It’s not a stimulus package, it’s not pork! It’s a job patronage system… there’s gonna be more [people] working for the Democrats in a patronage system than the United States Army..”
Caller explains Stimulus as Obama plan to fund permanent Democratic patronage system
http://directorblue.blogspot.com/2009/02/smoking-gun-caller-explains-stimulus-as.html
Direct link:
Democrat Insider Says “Obama Has Secret Plan to Fund a Patronage System”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RGafMHsV4Ug
The so-called educational system had produced only dumb idiots, see Pajewmas for instance. This is the result, Obama. “Redistribution of wealth”… Well we’ve seen how well it worked wherever it was tried. Welcome to the Third World, America. Things are going to get very, very ugly in the next few years.
Reid blocked a bill denying illegals “stimulus” jobs, Pelosi standing around stoned to the bone (i’m a long time ER nurse, I know stoned when I see it). A president who is a corrupto/marxist namby pamby(being generous here). I’m sorry, I just have a real bad feeling about all of this, I can’t shake it. I actually feel sorry(just a tiny micro bit) for the well meaning people who voted for this chap. They must be shaking in their boots at the horror of what they have done. I laughed at the possibility of armed conflict in this country, insane i thought. People are just being paranoid and will settle back down to normalcy in a bit. Obama is right, this is a catastrophe, planned, staged,thought about in back rooms for years. I truly believe anything is now possible. I truly believe this is going to get catastrophic, I truly believe unless we the people halt this now, we are doomed as a free society. I am sorry, I can come to no other conclusion. I have tried.
Regarding your subtitle… “Barack Obama is at risk of losing his credibility as a leader by threatening disaster unless his will be done.”
Has he yet “earned” his credibility as a leader?
Until he does, he can’t lose it.
I am very proud to be in the group that voted for McCain. I would have preferred Guliani, but never this empty suit that won the prize.
@ #4
Actually, it is not capitalism that is getting unbalanced. If you overview donations to Donks, you’d realize that big corporations are major contributors. And they do expect a return on their investment. Big corp is enthralled in an idea of “reasonable” socialism (corporate socialism), because it provides means to stay afloat regardless and also eliminates the competition. Hoarding is not the goal, it is means. The power is the goal.
Now, people are talking porkulus. Again, the point is being missed. The “stimulus is not about just jobs, or pork for that matter. It is about patronage.
Yes, it is about having approved a hoard of cash that can be spent by powers that be at their discretion, without an oversight. The goal is to release the specific amounts of cash down the road to simply buy votes, by creating “jobs” or rather entitlements, an army of recipients in a patronage system. Just before elections, certain amounts will be spent to make sure that the opposition has no chance. And you can buy a lot of votes in the next decade for a trillion of dollars and effectively crush the opposition.
In other words, a crime is being perpetrated on American public, a highway robbery presented as something else. A transfer of wealth from all the regular Joes and their grandchildren entrapped in the servitude system, to plutocratic better ones.
I’ve seen it before, in Eastern Europe, where two types of socialism coexisted, one for hoi polloi, where everyone was poor, and the other for 5% of power elite that parasited on the gravy train produced by the rest. The system was not efficient, was wasteful, but that did not matter to the parasites, as they had their unlimited supply of every kind they desired.
So, BHO is rather impatient to get this highway robbery approved, before people get a whiff what it is all about.
Cut back on your spending, cut back on your taxable income, go John Galt for a couple years. Don’t buy a Detroit-built car.
Maybe these s*nsabitches will learn something.
Obama was my State Senator for a while; nothing I’ve seen so far has surprised me. It’s going to get a lot worse.
Jimmy Carter may end up looking like Einstein compared to the hump we have in there now.
Heh: What do we do about these folks, people like Pajewmas tuba teakettle of fish?
Should we start calling them out? Not to change their minds but to expose their buffoonery to all the readers, lurkers, etc.? ( I realiza that we will not get through to the Pajewmas tuba teakettle of fish type.)
It is getting to the point that we have to do something about it.
Thoughts?
The reason it has to be passed so quickly is so the public won’t realize that it’s main focus is governmental spending for an old-style patronage system designed to ensure a permanent Democratic majority. The bulk of the money is scheduled to be utilized during the peak of the election cycles.
Every day I talk to my kids about the upcoming catastrophe and how the only way we can save ourselves is by doing what Obama wants.
At first they weren’t convinced, because they got an A in world history, but they don’t want to be thought of as unpatriotic.
So, for my birthday, instead of buying me a real gift, they purchased some carbon credits to save the planet. They don’t want to die from starvation, who can blame the poor kids? And, why would I want something pretty, like a bracelet, when that would be seen as ostentatious, and there’s no where to wear it? Everything is closing, or will be closed soon, except McDonald’s — and that food is so full of fat, it will kill you.
I bought 187 gallons of milk yesterday, and stored them in the garage. It gets hot in there come April, but I want to be prepared. I also found a deer on the road yesterday, it was hit by a car but it was freshly dead, so I dragged it home and my husband is carving it up today. Even though Food Lion is still open, if we don’t pass the stimulus by tomorrow, that deer might be all we have to eat for a long time.
For some reason when I went to wake up my kids for school today, I couldn’t find them! One was sleeping under the bed, and the other one was in the closet, whimpering. I don’t know why.
Pajewmas:
Wealth is not finite, it’s not like Matter (which can’t be created or destroyed). Just because Exxon has more wealth than me doesn’t mean there is less for me to have in the future – it’s up to me to create the wealth for myself. The system you seem to adhere to is Merchantilism and went out of favor in the mid-1800s. Look it up, “Mercantilism, which reached its height in the Europe of the seventeenth and eighteenth centuries, was a system of statism which employed economic fallacy to build up a structure of imperial state power, as well as special subsidy and monopolistic privilege to individuals or groups favored by the state.”
Sound familiar?
“Whether GOP legislators are now beating the tambourine for fiscal responsibility out of out of conviction is a matter open for debate …”
NO it isn’t open for debate. It’s quite apparent they have no convictions. The vast majority of Republican politicians don’t give a damn about fiscal responsibility. Perhaps there’s one, Ron Paul, and I’m not even sure about him. Whenever they are voted in they change their tune, well not their tune but their actions.
No, I think your first paragraph was the truth. It’s quite clear that the republican voters hate the candidates that get put up and only vote for them because they think the Democrats are worse.
You racist hatemongers just don’t get it, do you?
We won, you lost.
You will not get another chance.
Get over it and get with the program or you will be crushed like insects.
Praise OBAMA!
Allahu akbar!
Is it still possible to mail order chicks (the kind with feathers!)?? We may see a return to subsistence farming if this goes through. Who’s going to lend the money? What will they do if a major crisis hits (Alaskan Volcanoes for instance)?
As all the above have already stated. This simply does not add up. The congress critters are either stupid or evil. Which is it?
@ 20. Mongoose
Dunno, but there seems to be a multitude of them. Emphasis on seem, the whole astroturfing biz abated a bit, but it is likely there is some contingent set up on a perpetual basis, to keep things warm.
However, there is a lot of genuinely deluded people out there that bought the marxist pablum, which is what it is, despite being presented in wraps of different colors and dazzling array of neural short circuits.
Probably nothing like mugging by reality will help. The unfortunate side effect is that the mugging is wholesale, even for those that don’t needed.
“Whether GOP legislators are now beating the tambourine for fiscal responsibility out of out of conviction is a matter open for debate …”
Irrelevant. I don’t care why they do it, just so long as they do it.
However, I think it’s no so much fiscal responsibility as the fact that they realize Obama wants to turn the country into Cook County writ large, with government controlled by a single party allied with cooperating big business and the unions, the whole thing fueled by graft and government patronage workers. They realize, in other words, that the Democrats with this bill are attempting to destroy them, and they’re doing what little they can to slow down the juggernaut.
If you like Chicago politics and Chicago governance, you’ll love Obama. If not, well, too bad, because that’s what we’ll be getting.
@ 26. Cog99
I don’t see the dichotomy. Stupid and evil can coexist without any apparent side effects. Well except one, the conscience has to be relinquished to Mephistopheles first.
—I think corporate greed is one of the main contributing factors and instead of spreading the wealth through the IRS, it should of been done at ground level.—
Very poorly reasoned. If you can’t identify the disease, there is no hope for a cure.
Greed, if you want to call it that is always present in the market. Why did it begin to create a bubble in the 1990′s? Did all the bank CEOs wake up one day and decide to be greedy – to ignore the long term solvency of their company? Or, is it possible that some law, some government action changed incentives and penalties in the market place.
If you would like to think like an adult instead of a 10 year old read this.
http://spectator.org/archives/2009/02/06/the-true-origins-of-this-finan/
The other narrative is that government policy over many years–particularly the use of the Community Reinvestment Act and Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac to distort the housing credit system– underlies the current crisis. The stakes in the competing narratives are high. The diagnosis determines the prescription. If the Times diagnosis prevails, the prescription is more regulation of the financial system; if instead government policy is to blame, the prescription is to terminate those government policies that distort mortgage lending.
There really isn’t any question of approach is factually correct: right on the front page of the Times edition of December 21 is a chart that shows the growth of home ownership in the United States since 1990. In 1993 it was 63 percent; by the end of the Clinton administration it was 68 percent.
As one month of being a brand new president, of course he is having a head ache-look at what he inherited from the republicans!
This is the Titanic, this is the worst economy since the great depression….even rich people are scaling back-not a penny to be made anywhere.
If this were John McCain as president, would be as hard on him too?
It took eight years to get to this ugly friggen point in history, it will take at least 8 to get out.
We are fighting debt with debt…that’s all we got-I have heard of using fire to fight fire.
Republicans are still wanting to guide this country as aways…off a cliff with greed.
What a difference a new administration makes – Bush’s first piece of legislation is No Child Left Behind – passed with the support of Ted Kennedy but now there can be no compromise – our way or the highway. Why is it that Republicans, conservative and moderate, can play nice when they are in power and usually act in a bi-partisan manner? Is it possibly that the Democrat mouthpiece in the MSM, even if they do act in a bi-partisan manner, paints them as mean-spirited and out to get the little guy? And just a sidenote – did the Democrats orchestrate the timing of this economic crisis – the fact that the worst of it appears to have occurred in October – makes me think it was their October surprise.
I wonder if Rick Moran is starting to regret his support of Obama…
#25 YesWeDid:
Y’know, I’m willing to make exceptions since this is the waning days of PJM, but really…
Usually the trolls around here put SOME modicum of thought into their posts.
Your eructation just isn’t up to snuff.
25. Yes We Did:
You poor thing! You have too much sand in your diet; You need to suck on a ham hock. Yes you can!
In God We Trust.
4. Pajewmas tuba teakettle of fish:
This crisis is based on circumstantial truths. Sure people will say it’s not that dire. Those who still have an income. I think corporate greed is one of the main contributing factors and instead of spreading the wealth through the IRS, it should of been done at ground level. How the hell is the economy supposed to function if all the wealth is being horded?
Is there a limit to how far capatalism can become unbalanced?
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You are the perfect example of the Obama Voter … Totally informed , Not Bright or both ?
You also are not Financially successful , well read obviously or you would not talk leftist racial total trash WE NEED Socialism –>Marxist B/S !
–First of the Top 10 % pays 68.9 % of all Taxes in America so We are not Hoarding anything .
Your about ‘Stealing ” from those that don’t make money accidently who WORK VERY hard you want to “” Redistribute “the Wealth …..called Marxism .
When Govt. decides what anyone makes that is straight out of Lenin .
–The Bottom 50 % of Tax payers pay 2.00975 % in Taxes and get back 21.77 % beyond what they paid in . What a deal !!!!
–You refer to Corp Greed . is it Greed when Hollywood Morons make 50 million for a 90 minute terrible Movie or Opera becomes a Multi Billionaire sitting around taking B/S . How about Katy Curic making 16 Million a year to read for 18 minutes a night 40 weeks a year ………………Your Boy getting 4 Million for a book he co. wrote ?
__ When Wealth is held my ”Capitalist ” We “”GAMBLE “(often lost it ) AND start Cos. , hire people , pay their health care for their families , pay 50 % of their Social security , Give them vacation pay and retirement plans . NOT TO MENTION WE PAY 35 % IN CORP TAXES THE SECOND HIGHEST IN THE WORLD ..15 % IN CAPITOL GAINS ……PLUS WE BUY LOTS OF THINGS LOCALLY AND PAY LOCAL AND STATE TAXES AND BUY OTHER PRODUCTS .
WITHOUT THOSE CORP.S THERE IS NO AMERICA MUCH LESS ”WELFARE ‘ YOU OBVIOUSLY CRAVE FOR YOUR “” KIND “” !
…………. Duh
17. Paul -Indiana wrote:
I am very proud to be in the group that voted for McCain. I would have preferred Guliani, but never this empty suit that won the prize.
Peter writes: I lived in NYC when Rudy was first elected. In what seemed like just a few months the city went from being a dirty, crime-infested, corrupt place to someplace I actually liked living again. I had high hopes for the country had Rudy been elected. Unfortunately he placed all his eggs in one Florida basket. I wonder what would have happened had he campaigned like he should have in the first few primaries?
ACJ,
Hope you enjoy the trinkets and crumbs you’ve exchanged your constitutional freedoms and human dignity for.
ACJ, no. You got it all wrong. Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac were Dem pet projects, solely. Any oversight that was pressed by Republicans was refused. Even Clinton tried earlier because he saw it blowing up one day and got a negative.
As you may remember, the financial crisis was caused by collapse of these two schemes. In fact, I question the timing and suspect that it was triggered just in time before election to curb the swing trend towards McCain in early September. A crisis to the rescue.
Would the FM&FM collapse at some point? Definitely. And it would create a similar mess. But in this case it is all by design.
And make no mistake, it is the true greed that drives the current ideology of the Democratic party. The “capitalistic greed” is more a productive tendency, to get something started up, to see it develop and thrive, to provide benefits to others, to reinvest. But this type of greed, a “redistribution greed” is nothing but a robber’s greed.
35 Cybergeezer – Now THAT’S the kind of keen thinking this board was built on . . . none of that flame-throwing ad hominy attacks. Keep em coming, CG.
His Highness in the White House has a half-brother living somewhere in Africa in a cardboard box. I propose that some of the pork-barrel theft of American taxpayer’s money that His Fullness is scaremongering for, be spent on helping the poor guy in Africa get a decent place to live in. You can be damned sure the Emperor without clothes won’t be using any of the millions of his own dollars to help a member of his family.
34. and 35.
I think #25 is kidding…..I read it as satire.
You know, showing Obama lovers to be terrorists.
34. Bilgeman wrote:
#25 YesWeDid:
Y’know, I’m willing to make exceptions since this is the waning days of PJM, but really…
Usually the trolls around here put SOME modicum of thought into their posts.
Your eructation just isn’t up to snuff.
Peter writes: I’m thinking YesWeDid @#25 was using sarcasm.
If anybody here wants to know why liberals have such loathing for right wingers, here’s why:
When asked about the recount and how it is affecting him personally, Coleman said he starts every day with a prayer and that he knows “God wants me to serve.”
You see, Norm, like all conservatives, knows what God wants. God wants Norm to get a break on his rent. God wants Norm to wear nice pants. God wants Norm’s wife to have a good job without having to go anywhere or do anything.
If you folks stopped pulling this kind of crap, we’d all get along just fine.
#31 ACJ:
“This is the Titanic, this is the worst economy since the great depression…”
No it’s not.
Only someone who wasn’t around during the 1970′s could say something like that.
Try mortgage interest rates in the teens, inflation running in double digits annually, and unemployment also in the double digits.
Add high taxes to that stewpot o’ feces.
That was the 1970′s, dude.
That state of affairs lasted roughly from 1973 to 1981, when the GOP was able to win a majority in the Senate,and Ronald Reagan,(of fond memory), was inaugurated; it was all a Tax and Spend Democratic show from 1954 to 1994 otherwise.
The Dems took a bad situation, (the Viet Nam hangover and the Oil Embargo, plus Manufacturing’s mass exodus offshore), and made it far worse than it had to be by their Socialistic initiatives.
“-not a penny to be made anywhere.”
If YOU can’t figure it out that doesn’t necessarily mean that everyone else can’t.
The Metro New Orleans area is paying plumbers $25.00 an hour.
If you can nail two 2×4′s together and/or hang drywall,you should get to Galveston.
My own racket is closely linked to commodities,
and whether you’re poor or you’re rich,you still gotta eat and you still gotta drive.
There’s money to be made, but you have to be willing to get up, go, and chase after it, not sit on your butt and expect it to be delivered to you like a Domino’s Pizza.
“It took eight years to get to this ugly friggen point in history, it will take at least 8 to get out.”
It took a lot longer than eight years, chap.
Our entire domestic economy has been based on people carrying a load of debt that can only be sustained by never-ending optimum economic conditions,(which has a sad habit of turning less-than-optimal), or steadily devaluing the currency and paying of today’s loan with tomorrow’s cheaper dollars.
And it’s been that way since long before George W. Bush was ever heard of.
“We are fighting debt with debt…that’s all we got-I have heard of using fire to fight fire.”
You’re close there, but I think the more apt metaphor is that Pelosi, Reid and the Alleged Hawaiian are rushing to put out the fire with a barrel of gasoline, and will brook no objections to those who are trying to point out that in their greed and panic, they can only make matters worse.
Imagine what will happen to us when they play to their base by raising the Federal Minimum Wage.(and you KNOW they will…they can’t NOT.)
You might not believe it, but we have been down a very similar path before.
And since I DO recall the 70′s, I fervently hope that we don’t go there again…it wasn’t all Disco, Dope and the “Zipless F*ck”.
There was an unfathomable amount of pain, misery and depression people suffered.
The closest thing I’ve seen that captures what it was like was Michael Moore’s “Roger and Me”.
If you’ve seen his masterpiece, (and yes, i think it IS one), imagine a Flint, Michigan happenning somewhere in the US every other month for nearly a decade.
Don’t blame me. I didn’t vote for “that one”.
@cog99
I worked on the Hill for a time. Most people in Congress live by a code: serve myself, serve my family and friends, serve my constituents, serve my nation (in that order). What draws such people to Washington in the main is the chance for graft. They go in with nothing and retire as millionaires. Egomania and greed become the basis for most of their decisions.
As for stupid, yes, there are a few. Mostly they are the lesser sons of more talented fathers, people like Tom Udall and Al Gore Jr. Speaker Pelosi falls into this category as well, she of the “I’m saving the world” rant. Pelosi strikes me as delusional.
The only thing that might save the republic at this point is an electoral bloodbath similar to what the Italians did back in the ’90′s with their parliament. Congress is so crooked at this point that the institution has become irredeemable. An oligarchy seldom cares about the consequences which is why we see legislative monstrosities like the current “stimulus” bill. If the People do not take back the republic soon, it will be lost for good.
I nominate Mongoose, shredder of snake (oil salesmen) to call Pajewmas and those of his ilk…although there are quite a few others here that actually think before they write.
Bilgeman’s got it right. I was there for the 70′s too. The main thing that is different now is that the idiots of my generation (all too many) don’t get it. They’re perfectly willing to spend us into an incredible inflationary spiral.
Guess who got really hammered by inflation? It wasn’t the 20′s & 30′s folks, it was the older folks trying to live on their fixed retirement incomes.
Well, those 20′s & 30′s folks from then (like me) are now the old folks. What happens when inflation takes flight and the baby boomers are caught on their pensions? It won’t be pretty.
One more thing. This is not and never was a problem with capitalism. This is, as has been pointed out, a problem with a corporatism style similar to Mussolini. The rent seekers in the coporate world and the regulators in gov’t are not now and never have been free marketeers. The big wigs and fat cats want the gov’t to manipulate the markets so they have no competition and no risk. That’s not capitalism.
“It’s not a stimulus package, it’s not pork! It’s a job patronage system… there’s gonna be more [people] working for the Democrats in a patronage system than the United States Army..”
Caller explains Stimulus as Obama plan to fund permanent Democratic patronage system.
That needed repeating. Peter got it right. This is not about the economy but power. Obama intends to use our money and our childrens and grandchildrens money to put the DEMONIC-RAT party in power for decades.
“Personally, I think the Obama administration hasn’t been effective enough so far. A lot of promises were made during the campaign, and right now there are a lot of promises he hasn’t fulfilled. For example, a coworker promised me that if Obama was elected, he would make us a Muslim nation and force us all to pray to Mecca five times a day. Yet I haven’t seen Obama lift one finger toward this promise. Someone else promised me that Obama would enslave the white race if he was elected. Does Obama think enslaving white people is going to be easy? This is one of those things you have to get accomplished early, while you still have the mandate of public support on your side! I also see no movement toward promises that Obama would round up all our guns, replace all our Bibles with the Quran, or appoint terrorists to his Cabinet.”
Someone said it a few days ago. Obama does not want to “lead.” He wants to “rule.”
And he has not said a damn positive word about America since his lukewarm inaugural speech.
Reagan, Clinton, Bush 43, they all knew how to tell America “we’ll be alright; we can weather any storm, we just need to pull together.”
Obama is incapable of that. All he can do is scold and harrumph and sulk.
You know who would have been the president to have in this economic crisis? Rudy Giuliani. He pulled NYC out of a tremendous financial crisis. He did it by cutting taxes and CUTTING SPENDING.
God, I miss GW Bush.
“This is the Titanic, this is the worst economy since the great depression….even rich people are scaling back-not a penny to be made anywhere.”
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It’s not the worst economy since the great depression; I know you guys like to say that, but the worst economy since the depression belonged to Jimmy Carter (although Obama can do better).
And people are scaling back because Obama is talking everything down and scaring the hell out of everyone. He’s destroying hope every time he flaps his gums. I think if he’d just shut up for a while, people would feel better, and if they feel better, they’ll spend.
27. “However, there is a lot of genuinely deluded people out there that bought the marxist pablum, which is what it is, despite being presented in wraps of different colors and dazzling array of neural short circuits.
Probably nothing like mugging by reality will help.”
Getting mugged by reality will not help. It hasn’t helped in any big city that has, not only been mugged by reality, but raped and plundered, like Detroit. The keep electing and reelecting and reelecting the same folks who threw them into the cesspool.
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By the way –
19. “Maybe these s*nsabitches will learn something”
When did “son” become a dirty word?
Obama’s only mistake is trying to engage Republican support. We don’t need those idiots, especially when the goal is to undo the horrors that they themselves created.
The President should speak directly to the majority that elected him, and freeze conservatives out of the process through 2010, and hopefully through 2012, 2014, 2016, 2018 and 2020.
Conservative principles have held this country back for 100 years, and rotted every government that has ever embraced them. If the Freepers and the Pajamas crowd are screaming, we must be doing something right. And if they’re unhappy now, just WAIT till they see the bill that comes out of the House/Senate reconcilation process, just in time for the public to DEMAND passage.
And think about it — that’s just his FIRST piece of legislation, and less than a month into his administration. In 4 years, no one will remember what a “conservative” was. I can’t wait.
when I rant at those that voted for Obama now, all I get in return is a blank stare. They have no response since I’m a Libertarian. The Hatemonger and racist argument can’t be used effectively.
Once our asset devaluation really kicks in circa 2010 (after the collapse of our Treasury market and subsequent systemic shock), we should make a very profound choice – by 2010, we should forget ALL of our ingrained loyalties to Dems or Reps and vote EVERY incumbent out. I know that there will be collateral damage – let the guilt-free run again. This is the best most direct way to sever the networks of graft and corruption. Every newly elected pol goes in clearly understanding that convictions count and serving their constituency is job one. We should call this “Flush Capitol Hill 2010″ or something.
#52 right far right
Now do you see how electing someone because you think a mere mortal can give you everything you want is ludicrous. See, you want to become a slave owning Muslim with a sword but that is not happening. Some wanted the oceans to recede but that is not happening, yet. Some wanted their cars to be paid off by the government but that isn’t happening, yet. Some didn’t know what they wanted so just yelled for hope and change, and we don’t know if that is happening because we don’t know what they hoped for, or wanted to change.
Now you probably aren’t aware of this and it could change, but no one is stopping you from replacing your Bible with a Koran. You are also free to get rid of your gun and buy a sword and it could hang on the wall as part of your decor. Finally I don’t think that President Obama needs a cabinet full of terrorists when he is doing a good job himself of trying to scare us into thinking that we either do what he says or else.
44. highasakite wrote:
If you folks stopped pulling this kind of crap, we’d all get along just fine.
Peter writes: And if tax-cheating Dumbocrats like Frankin ($30K+ owed last report I read) would just sit down and shut up and mind their own business instead of spending everyone elses money but their own, we wouldn’t be in this ‘crisis’ now!
It matters not whether Republicans are speaking against the bloated federal government, or a reformed pimp is talking about the evils of prostitution, the messages are true. Our society has produced a culture which attacks the messenger rather than the message. Just because a person does not or does agree with the message does not make the message either true or false.
To Rotwang: Obama’s only mistake is listening to idiots like Harry Reid who will be looking for new work after the next election in Nevada, and Nancy Pelosi who is one face lift away from being mummified.
-It took eight years to get to this ugly friggen point in history, it will take at least 8 to get out.
Sorry this started under Clinton when he boosted enforcement of the CRA which is 15 years ago. I am willing to let Bush take some blame, he tried 17 times to reform Fannie Mae Freddie Mac, but was unwilling to take the heat when he was called racist for wanting innercity people to put money down for mortgages. Guess he should have now. And when you look at the economy, it really got headed for the ocean bottom when San Fran Nan took control of Congress — Dive Dive Dive.
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http://spectator.org/archives/2009/02/06/the-true-origins-of-this-finan
The other narrative is that government policy over many years–particularly the use of the Community Reinvestment Act and Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac to distort the housing credit system– underlies the current crisis. The stakes in the competing narratives are high. The diagnosis determines the prescription. If the Times diagnosis prevails, the prescription is more regulation of the financial system; if instead government policy is to blame, the prescription is to terminate those government policies that distort mortgage lending.
There really isn’t any question of approach is factually correct: right on the front page of the Times edition of December 21 is a chart that shows the growth of home ownership in the United States since 1990. In 1993 it was 63 percent; by the end of the Clinton administration it was 68 percent. The growth in the Bush administration was about 1 percent. The Times itself reported in 1999 that Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac were under pressure from the Clinton administration to increase lending to minorities and low-income home buyers–a policy that necessarily entailed higher risks. Can there really be a question, other than in the fevered imagination of the Times, where the push to reduce lending standards and boost home ownership came from?
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The problem is that the people who really screwed up this economy, Chris Dodd, Barney Frank, Charlie Rangel, San Fran, Bill Clinton – are now in a position to make things much worse, and our clueless media gives ACJ no information upon which to make informed statements.
50. AlanC asked:
Well, those 20’s & 30’s folks from then (like me) are now the old folks. What happens when inflation takes flight and the baby boomers are caught on their pensions? It won’t be pretty.
Peter responds: The bright side of this is we’ll never have to wait in line at a McD’s again, because they’ll have so many ‘retirees’ working there they will outnumber the customers!
—and rotted every government that has ever embraced them.–
You are referring to the Soviet Union, China (until its recent growth), North Korea, Mexico, Broad swaths of Arabia, Zimbabwe, Kenya….?
How can you people keep thinking that anything but conservative principals are a success. It is a terrible mental illness.
How quickly the pomp and swagger of an African village tryrant style President Of The While Universe And Everything Else have given way to the hollow bluster of a small time Chicago thug.
Saw an interesting post on Texas Darlin’ blog suggesting the way to beat Obama is by making fun of him. It’s very true, I have noticed even from here in Britain The Obamessiah is a very humourless individual who hates to be ridiculed.
<a href=”http://texasdarlin.wordpress.com/2009/02/08/if-you-cant-beat-em-make-fun-of-em/”If You Can’t beat Them, Make Fun Of Them
Go for it America.
Rotwang, you poor lost soul
All through the election all I heard from the Dems was “Change, Change, Change!” When I asked what change was, all I was told was “Anything better than what we have now is Change!” When I pointed out that Lenin promised change, Hitler promised change, Castro promised change and Chavez promised changes, I was accused of being a racist and a Nazi.
Can I start saying “I told you so!” yet?
The concept of “attitude is everything” has escaped the thought processes of “the one.” Projection of a positive attitude requires a measure of selflessness to bouy the outlook of others. The ego driven man will never become the leader the nation requires in a time of crisis. It is a case of category error in failing to recognize the nature of the problem to effect a solution. It may well be time to break out the pitchforks and torches.
A true American hero.
And someone who, I’m sorry to say, is a sorry excuse for one.
On January 15, 2009, on a cold winter morn, Sully Sullenburger took a doomed plane and saved the 155 souls aboard thanks to a combination of steely nerves, extensive training, along with a heroically precise bit of flying.
A true American hero he is.
Barack Obama, on January 20, amid much pomp and circumstance where most every band that passed by in revue was black, took the helm of the USS ship of state and, since that date, every move he makes improves the chances he eventually augers it into the ground.
Anybody who voted for Barack and still supports him must consider themself a candidate for the “Uh, Oh, I’ve Been Duped” prize, given to any man and woman who was so colossally ignorant of the facts as to vote for the brown eyed handsome bunderbuss; a pitiful excuse for a United States commander in chief.
Barack is a true American flop.
An utter pipsqueak. A failure of biblical proportions, one who increduously seems to receive some sick delight in saddling our children with trillions of dollars of debt. Says not doing so would lead to a catastrophe. In Oblunder’s world, obviously, black is white. For the catastrophe was 53% of judgmentally impaired Americans voting for him in the first place.
This bombastic-socialist, “sky-is-falling”, chicken hawk bumbler who shrieks “I won” every chance he gets, not only assumes the mantra of a rich kid who rubs his wealth in the nose of everyone within earshot upon getting a shiny new Schwin, but also is destined for not the “Medal of Freedom award”, but the trash heap of history.
Compared to Barack Obama, George Bush is a genius. A courageous one at that.
For President Bush was a jet pilot in the Air Force who volunteered for the war in Viet Nam while the other milktoast of a man was a socialistic community organizing slug, which amounts to nothing more than ringing doors asking economically deprived folks to vote Democratic.
At a time this country needed a great President, one who could walk in the shoes of a Kennedy, Washington or Lincoln, instead we got a male bimbo who has trouble tying his shoes and answering a difficult press question at the same time.
As you know, ironically, a difficult press question in this White House is about as infrequent as a Barack appointment who pays their fair share of taxes.
It seeems Barack can’t take a step without landing in doo doo of his own making.
The greatest country in the world, which has spilled its blood for freedom in every corner of the world; which has spent billions helping the poor and fighting disease all over the world is now being run by a lilly-livered socialist leaning, terrorist friendly puke who likes spending your tax dollars with the impunity of a drunken congressman.
And why not? Most of his political buddies who he depends on for his own livlihood, don’t pay taxes themselves.
Barack’s Presidency is a sham of a scam of a travesty.
Whether or not Democratic dimwits continue to support it, this corruption ridden, socialist leaning administration is going to fall of its incontinent weight.
Of course, we’ll end up paying the price. In my mind, it’s just too bad we can’t buy out his contract like a baseball team does when it’s realized it paid millions to hire a 90 mile an hour pitcher who can’t find the strike zone.
Like common street thieves, Democrats are comfortable pulling the rug out from under our children and children’s children imbued with the belief that if they work for their own American Dream, they’re find it. Unfortunately, in some form, our children’s dream will have been sullied by having to pay off Barack’s horifically unbalanced budget. I am not taking that sitting down.
I call for Barack’s resignation as soon as he can find a pair of doo doo free shoes.
Prop him up. Put some appropriate words in his mouth. And let somebody with some competence, Republican or Democrat saddle up, take the nation’s reins and ride into the fights that freedom cannot turn its back on.
Instead of the Barack plan to gut our military with a carving knife, hone our military so the sun’s reflection off its steel blades of determination cower our enemies, embolden our allies and make us all proud, from the Michelle’s of the world who minimize our great accomplishments to the citizens who don’t realize the price of freedom.
As to the rest of us, well, we cannot forget the brave Americans who have always been there to head the call, from those frozen days at Valley Forge, to the bloody victories at the Coral Sea, to the shores of Tripoli, to the freeing of the concentration camps and the defending of Bastogne in Germany to the gallant defense of freedom in Viet Nam when support was almost non-existence at home.
We should honor the great General, who, when communist subversives at home accused him of betraying us, brushed off those dastardly accusations, and , instead, with brilliant new tactics, took the fight to the enemy like never before.
And even when the loudest politcal voices like Reid and Obama clamored that the surge would be a failure, pressed on. Did his Duty. And won the war.
For the true failures have never been the American soldier. The battling bastards of Battan. The crew on the Arizona whose pings for help from the bowels of the sunken ship could be heard a week after the initial attack.
The true failures have always been loud voices at home decrying the dedication of our soldiers and the rightness of the fight.
The real failures today are hapless, niggardly and incompetent, Harry, Nancy and Barack, respectively.
We must make sure these three become nothing more than a footnote in history.
That once in America, an ill wind blew misguided people into office. And their ill temper, baseless, but endless, hate for the American way of life and own averice and greed is what blew up their grandiose plans for themselves.
The shame of it is that Harry, Nancy and Barack are wholly of a, “country be damned” mentality; they’re solely for Harry, Nancy and Barack.
In the end, though, the American people don’t countenance disloyalty to the flag and dishonor to our fighting men and women. American realize that our great nation is not a duty free country. And if you don’t understand freedom’s true meaning like Harry, Nancy and Barack so obviously don’t, then you’ll soon be on your way.
Because if these bums don’t have the decency to resign, then the electoral process will one day take care of them.
In the meantime, we can’t be idle.
We must work together to minimize the damage they visit upon the land of the free and the home of the brave.
It is our duty as Americans.
69. Cecil Moon wrote:
It may well be time to break out the pitchforks and torches.
Peter writes: Some conservative commentators like Glenn Beck were saying that a YEAR ago.
Given the comments of Pawjewmas, Yes We Can, ACJ, and Rotwang it is clear that Darwin was wrong. The human species is devolving not evolving. When was universal suffrage extended to uni-cellular creatures? Too bad the porkulus bill can’t be structured to give democrats brains instead of dollars. On the other hand, as my next door neighbor delights in telling me, we are getting much closer to the point where these people can simply be shot and put out of our misery.
bear — Not lost at all, thanks. This is exactly what I’ve always wanted, and precisely what I voted for. Obama needs to stop pandering to the righties, and just get on with the business of rolling back every piece of legislation ever promoted by Reagan or the Bushes.
I hope he goes after the Patriot Act next, although there are extra-legal and suppressive powers granted to the Executive Branch that SHOULD be retained, as long as the office is occupied by a liberal.
If he’s disappointed me at all, it’s in his hesitancy to “go radical” right of the gate. I’m sure he’s just picking his fights in the early going, but I hope a couple of quick wins will give him the nerve to begin the “real” transformation of America. That’s what the majority of voters wanted, and we’re really under no obligation to negotiate with the out-of-power minority.
I hear it from my college students every day — they want a quick, total and irreversible makeover of the corrupt, rattletrap concoction known as the “USA,” and they’re anxious for Obama to act on his mandate.
Rotwang, the day that there is no conservative voice in America is the day you live under a corrupt semi-dictatorship; it’s a day when nobody is allowed to build a business or succeed unless they are cronies of the political elite; it’s a day when health care is run by government bureaucrats with the efficiency of FEMA and the compassion of the IRS; and it’s the day America ceases to be great. Thankfully, you are as wrong as you are malevolent.
There’s even more irony. Not only has hope been bait-and-switched with fear, but change has been bait-and-switched with stasis. The narrative rather quickly went from “hope and change” to “give me your lunch money or things will change in a way you won’t like”.
Perhaps a little due diligence about exactly what was meant by “change” would have prevented this Chicago mob heist?
It’s only been two weeks, and Obama is a rookie president, get a clue. JFK stubbled around the oval office for his first year. You can’t go from state senator to president, in four years, and be “ready” on day one. That was just campaign talk. Everyone with a little adult experince in life has to know it will take time for him to learn the job. We are stuck with him for at least four years, probably eight, so relax and enjoy it. If he screws up the economy or the Global War on Islamic Terror, he either won’t win a second term or his praty’s nominee in 2016 will pay for the mistakes.
President Bush isn’t Herbert Hoover, he saved the financial system before he left office, Barnie Frank and Chris Dodd screwed up the economy, not Bush. The guy in line to be Herbert Hoover is Barack Obama, and his democrat congress. Iraq is going well, George Bush left Iraq in good shape, it can only be screwed up by Obama. . Aint it nice to have all the power, and all the blame.
Rachel — I wonder how many potential clients are going to be impressed by your lack of logic and insistence in living in a fantasy world. I doubt if that will fly in the legal world
Dave — Get used to it. Your model failed. It’s time for what I teach as “America 2.0: The Founder’s Dream Reinterpreted.” This time, with luck, we’ll get it right. And, without a doubt, the kids are eating it up. I had to turn away half the applicants for this semester’s course. I couldn’t get a lecture hall big enough.
Ironically, there are a number of inspirational thoughts in the Koran that would help you to see this as an opportunity, rather than a threat. But something tells me you’re not ready for that. Give it time.
#56 Rotwang-
So a one -party system is what you’re suggesting, as well as the fact that O and the Dems have all the answers. Please take a sabbatical for a couple years to a one-party-utopia country of your choice (like Cuba or Venezuela or Vietnam) and come back and give us a full report on how that worked out for ya. You folks would not have brooked the Repubs calling all the shots the past 8 years under Bush… why should Conservatives sit down and be quiet now? Can you also thrill us with a few tales about how conservatives messed things up and held us back ovre the last 100 years. One rule- you have to use sources from real history, not from internet blogs. We wait with an air of anticipation that is just off the top of the scale on the thrill-o-meter! OTOH, I hope your piece was just satire.
Intellectual dishonesty is not the answer. There are enough problems with this bill that you need not resort to distorting the Congressional Budget Office assessment of the stimulus.
The CBO tells us that the bill will substantially increase employment and economic growth for the next few years:
CBO estimates that the Senate legislation would raise output by between 1.4 percent and 4.1 percent by the fourth quarter of 2009; by between 1.2 percent and 3.6 percent by the fourth quarter of 2010; and by between 0.4 percent and 1.2 percent by the fourth quarter of 2011.
and the possible “harm” to the economy that you cite is very small:
Go ahead and slam the bill, but don’t pretend that the CBO has not identified a benefit from this bill. In reality, the harm they foresee is so small, it is well within their margin of error. Certainly not sufficient to outweigh the benefits of immediate action.
I really think the GOP is trying to play politics with this bill because it is well constructed for the purpose it is intended to achieve. Obama is offering hope and change by taking strong leadership action to repair damage to our economy. Fear and loathing is what people experienced from Bush, because he was incapable of leading the country out of the messes he dragged us into.
Peace.
DS
Intellectual dishonesty is not the answer. There are enough problems with this bill that you need not resort to distorting the Congressional Budget Office assessment of the stimulus.
The CBO tells us that the bill will substantially increase employment and economic growth for the next few years:
and the possible “harm” to the economy that you cite is very small:
Go ahead and slam the bill, but don’t pretend that the CBO has not identified a benefit from this bill. In reality, the harm they foresee is so small, it is well within their margin of error. Certainly not sufficient to outweigh the benefits of immediate action.
I really think the GOP is trying to play politics with this bill because it is well constructed for the purpose it is intended to achieve. Obama is offering hope and change by taking strong leadership action to repair damage to our economy. Fear and loathing is what people experienced from Bush, because he was incapable of leading the country out of the messes he dragged us into.
Peace.
DS
#73 Rotwang
Thinks that the Oval Office needs a makeover and has requested “Trading Spaces” feature it on their show. Which designer do you like Rotwang? Rotwang also doesn’t like the the concoction called the USA and is cries into his martini made with vodka and bile or his wine glass of sour grapes.
Finally, Rotwang grades his college students on the degree they hate the United States. The more hate the better grade. The students of course understand this, readily oblige him/her so they can pass his/her course, get the hell out of college, get a good job, a nice house, a decent car, a mate and and live the American dream. Rotwang also spitefully enjoys the paycheck he receives from the country he hates.
@ 73 Rotwang
“If he’s disappointed me at all, it’s in his hesitancy to “go radical” right of the gate.”
I hope your voice is heard and the sooner the better. Not everyone appreciates how unfit he is, but with help from people like you that reality will sink in very fast.
This is good and a little ahead of its time = It’s like Richard Pryor knew!
WHAT GOES AROUND COMES AROUND -
The First Black President.
This is a clip from 1977!
This was done long before a minority was elected to The White House by none other than Richard Pryor.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EtlDVi_1JMg
The affirmative action wonder boy,is reacting to dissent faster than his left-wing plutocrat handlers can script his responses,and his incompetence is showing.Having lost control of major legislation, by letting Pelosi and Reid ,pork it out, he now thinks that relentlessly pushing this garbage, will make him look determined and presidential.It’s not even a month,and the emperor-messiah, already has no clothes!
You guys get to sit there and take it. The right lost their credibility a long time ago. You are the minority now. Might as well learn to enjoy it because you are going to be there for a long time.
David S.
The CBO also said long term that the bill will create another recession.
The Obamas are the Perons, and we are about to become Argentina.
THE REASON OBAMA IS RUNNING ALL OVER THE COUNTRY SCREAMING THE WORLD IS ENDING IS BECAUSE THE CALLS INTO THE WHITE HOUSE …. TO SENATORS AND CONGRESSMAN IS RUNNING 100-1 ”AGAINST” !
THE MORE THESE NASTY RACIAL TOTALLY SOCIALIST DETAILS ARE OUTTED THE MORE IT STINKS AT IT IS HATED BY TAX PAYERS .
THIS REMINDS ME OF THE ”AMESTY BILL’ … FINALLY WHEN REAL AMERICANS KNEW THE DETAILS …..MILLIONS OF AMERICANS CALLED WASHINGTON AND STOPPING THAT B/S COMPLETELY …THANK GOODNESS .
MAYBE THAT CAN HAPPEN HERE !
Would you take the words of someone pretending to be a health professional that claims the need to cut off your legs, in order to help you walk again, but then refuses to explain to you why this procedure was necessary? Someone that got angry and predicted your imminent demise, when you did not immediately give in, but had already pointed out that the procedure would really not have any effects for a year or so? That’s what we have here. Pretend economists & politicians that have already admitted the stimulus will stimulate nothing, in fact there will be no effect for 2 years, but that warn us that the sky will fall unless we do not ask for details, and accept their poison pill ASAP.
As long as the democrats and the MSM control the message and can continue to pretend the economy is where it is solely because of Bush, we will never be able to have people understand why the current chosen solution is a disaster. Anyone that really wants can figure out that the event that created our economic downturn was when Schumer pointed at the problems with the solvency of banks that where heavily invested in these Freddie & Fannie scams. For 15 years, since the Clinton admin passed the laws mandating banks give risky loans or face the heavy hand of government, then set up Freddie and Fannie to cover up the risk, anyone that pointed out there was a problem was shouted down by the program’s stewards: Dodd & Franks. With help from the MSM of course. Now Bush and republicans also are to blame for giving up so easily and doing all that deficit spending, They went along with the big companies whom like a powerful government that uses the law to crush their competition and bails them out when things get rough (because they are too big to fail). And the American people suffer for that.
Democrats, with Iraq gone, created this economic crises to win the election. And they have been very successful at displacing the blame. Now that they won, they plan to profit from it. This bill is basically intended to put close to $650 billion dollars in the hand of democrat donors (past and future), lobbyists, operatives, and politicians right around the next election cycle. They are basically borrowing money, and straddling the American people with the debt, to finance their perpetual re-election. They do not want to give anyone time to really look at this bill. They can’t afford that. Hence the claims of urgency, and the dire predictions. In an argument with David S. whom is a true believer on another post here, he so much as admitted, with pride too, that the plan is to recreate the way the government of China controls their economy and uses capitalism to make money, here in America. Buyer beware.
@87. Retep:
Cite your source.
Or admit that you are lying.
Peace.
DS
@90. AlexinCT:
You are the person enamored with Chinese capitalism. Why do you feel the need to misrepresent my position?
Perhaps because you have no evidence to support your own?
Peace.
DS
highasakite @ 44 wristes the following:
“If anybody here wants to know why liberals have such loathing for right wingers, here’s why:
When asked about the recount and how it is affecting him personally, Coleman said he starts every day with a prayer and that he knows “God wants me to serve.”
You see, Norm, like all conservatives, knows what God wants. God wants Norm to get a break on his rent. God wants Norm to wear nice pants. God wants Norm’s wife to have a good job without having to go anywhere or do anything.
If you folks stopped pulling this kind of crap, we’d all get along just fine.”
…And I would suppose Al Franken starts his day laughing at how stupid 50% of Minnesota’s voters are….the ones who voted for him.
They can always find a trillion or so for a disatrous war in the middle east, but watch them hem and haw over a bill for that same amount being spent on domestic programs and infrastucture, and then watch them attempt to kill that bill because it conflicts with their principles. The same principles that got us into this crisis. Thanks, Republicans.
David S @ 92.
Nice try to twist the facts there David. I told you that the Chinese communist realized that collectivist economics are doomed, and then adopted capitalism to prevent their demise. Like the USSR did. My point was that they realized capitalism worked, while their system did not. You are the one that came back and told me that the government kept control of everything and planned the economy and that that was the secret to their success. Huge difference there. You inferred that Obama was going in the same direction.
Even their hybrid system is horribly deficient. The Chinese successful adoption of capitalist practices brought fast economic growth, but the majority of the people do not share in that success, precisely because of the collectivist’s control of that wealth. Government corruption and graft, something that you will always have in a collectivist system, not only limited that success, but failed the people. That you think we should have that is telling.
People can go read the posts you made and those I made on the thread in question.
You couldn’t make this stuff up! Rotwang informs us that he is a college professor/instructor teaching America 2.0. I haven’t laughed so hard in years. Must be at a community college/remedial high school. He might as well have simply announced he was a complete failure in life and a buffoon. He probably got the job by answering an ad looking for someone to clean latrines and pumping septic tanks.
Hey Steve P @ 94. Have you looked at the bill in question? Have you read what others that have pointed out? Since when was payoffs to democrat lobbyists, donors, operatives, and politicains a domestic program of any kind? The money for any real projects or aactual stimulus is a miniscule fraction of the hundreds of billions being moved from one pocket to the democrat’s buddies pockets.
Steve P. — Seriously, we’ve already seen the “miracle” of Conservative public policy and free market capitalism, and discovered that it is all nothing but a perpetual Amway scam fronted by soulless soap-salesman like Ronald Reagan.
It’s time to deconstruct the shabby tenement of “American Exceptionalism” and build something a bit grander and less inhumane. We’ve had enough, and thank God for a generation of young people who are anxious to turn their backs on America’s sins and move forward with a clean conscience.
76. Wally Lind wrote:
You can’t go from state senator to president, in four years, and be “ready” on day one.
Peter asks: In spite of the fact that is EXACTLY what NObama promised he would be during the campaign, deriding SHillery that he was better prepared than she was?
Don’t blame me, I voted for the other guy.
77. Right Far Right wrote:
Rachel — I wonder how many potential clients are going to be impressed by your lack of logic and insistence in living in a fantasy world.
Peter points out: The only fantasy world I’ve seen around here is the one in Obama’s head where his so-called stimulus actually helps this once-great nation.
86. Whatnow? wrote:
You guys get to sit there and take it. The right lost their credibility a long time ago. You are the minority now. Might as well learn to enjoy it because you are going to be there for a long time.
Peter observes: For eight years we had to listen to idiots like Whatnow? bitch, moan and complain about everything Bush did, from how he walked between Marine-One and the White House to his responses to 9/11 and Iraq. And now they have the utter gall to expect us to sit here quietly and just accept it as our country gets flushed down the toilet by an inexperienced soclialist with delusions of godhood and his greedy, tax-cheating party associates?
Not on your life, mister!
Attention all Obama voters;
You are now qualified for the “blind” exemption on your IRS 1040.
94. Steve P. wrote:
They can always find a trillion or so for a disatrous war in the middle east, but watch them hem and haw over a bill for that same amount being spent on domestic programs and infrastucture, and then watch them attempt to kill that bill because it conflicts with their principles. The same principles that got us into this crisis. Thanks, Republicans.
Peter writes: Get your facts straight. It would take YEARS for the battles in BOTH Afghanistan and Iraq to equal what this one pork-laden bill would spend in a DAY!
Saying the war has cost trillions is like me saying I’ve told you a billion times to stop exagerating.
@95. AlexinCT:
You are a liar.
I never suggested that we should have a system like China’s.
You pointed to China as an example of capitalism. It’s not. They have a hybrid economy.
I doubt that the Chinese people would point to their economy as a failure, but that doesn’t make me a proponent of importing their system here.
You really need to stick to the facts, because lying is only going to make you look like even more of a fool.
Peace.
DS
To paraphrase Ben Franklin- It is idiocy to keep trying the same thing over and over again and expect different results. Yet so many still hold onto the mantra of Communism/Socialism. How many must die? We are well over 150 million now..and counting. Rotwang wants to sell that old Victorian Era Laudanum (the label says- Now, New,Improved!) to the masses.Better yet, give it to the patient before they realize what it is! Have conservatives really been the only ones in charge or with (some) failed policies over the last century?
The biggest thing that should be setting off alarm bells in almost everyone’s minds is the rush Obama is putting on this whole bill.
“It has to be done NOW! Don’t even look at it! Just pass it! If it isn’t passed it will be a disaster! Now! Now! NOW!”
Nothing that has to be passed in front of the American public THAt fast can bode well for ANY of us!
I think that to say Obama has abandoned his ‘Hope and Change’ campaign in exchange for fear tactics is a bit drastic. Although he does warn that people will lose their jobs, he doesn’t end there. He adds that ‘millions more will have to put their dreams on hold.’ Sounds like his ‘Hope and Change’ campaign is alive and well.
If he can play on his popularity, if he can inspire the people (even if he uses some fear tactics along the way), it won’t matter what Congress thinks. They will have to listen. This video has some great comments form a Washington Post columnist on this idea of Obama bypassing Congress and taking control of the situation. http://www.newsy.com/videos/the_new_campaign_trail_for_obama/
No worries MikeD.
When these young people go out to make a living and find that the leftists want to confiscate the product of their work with virtually nothing to show for it, they will magically start to see the fraud that is socialism. As long as speech remains free in America (big if with the left in charge), all the vapid leftist propaganda in the world won’t keep them from fighting back. Rhetoric and BS will only last for so long and the hangover from the collective bong-hit that is this temporary swing to the left will bring things back in focus.
It is easy to see what ROTwang is about. A sad and angry person who wants to feel powerful in his mother’s basement.
MikeD — In the years ahead, I will remember to hold a place open for you on the lawncare team for my home in Cambridge. You may be wrong about a lot of things, but I would trust you to look after my spice garden and the shrubbery maze.
Unless, of course, you’re closer to my summer house in East Hampton. Your call.
Rotwang is cracking me up. What a try-hard.
I probably ought to feel sorry for him, a boy who eschews competition because he knows he can’t win… but we know his type serves a purpose. Someone has to be chosen last for teams in gym class. It ends up affecting some more than others….here we have, Rotwang, exhibit A.
Yes We Did calls those in opposition to the “stimulus” bill “racists”. Okay, now that it is a well established fact that those opposed to this legislation hate blacks, whites, Chinese guys, Koreans, Japanese, and Arabs, why don’t we address the facts. They don’t cease to exist because you choose to ignore them, ya know.
105. atlargeinohio wrote:
To paraphrase Ben Franklin- It is idiocy to keep trying the same thing over and over again and expect different results.
Peter writes: This is probably nit-picking, but that quote is usually attributed to Einstein.
http://www.quotationspage.com/quote/26032.html
Here’s the deal, gang:
1. Pass the Stimulus Bill — It won’t save us, but it will give us time to prepare for the global financial collapse, and begin to establish cooperative agrarian communities.
2. Get out of Iraq — With the latest elections, Iraq has officially become an Iranian client state. It cost us a trillion dollars to replace a secular government with an Islamic theocracy, but I’m sure Paul Wolfowitz and Bill Kristol will say it was worth it.
3. Get out of Afghanistan — Unless the CIA is TOTALLY reliant on the poppy crop for funding, it’s time to bail out on the Unocal engineer we installed as Mayor of Kabul, and make this shithole Russia’s problem again.
4. Repeal the Patriot Act — Except for the parts that will enable Obama to prevent a resurgence of Conservative power.
5. Fairness Doctrine — I’m torn on this one, because wingnut radio personalities have become so disconnected from reality that even their former audience perceives them as the Professional Wrestling equivalent of political punditry. We may not need it.
6. Everything else that liberals want, except for smoking bans. Liquor and cigarettes will be an essential component of “radical transformation.” We’ll also need to repeal bans on “comfort food” and cholesterols. The next few years are going to be quite bewildering for the average citizen, so I would encourage the availability of chemical “crutches,” at least until we begin to see daylight on the other side of the “Grand Plan.”
Americans are resourceful and pliable. Effective communications programs and educational indoctrination will enable the vast majority of them to shed outdated conceits about “America’s role” in the world, and enthusiastically support the tough but necessary adjustments we need to make in the years ahead.
PS: I forgot 3A: Abandon Israel.
But that goes without saying.
Bang on RHarrisonScott!
It was these same claims of racism and the CRA “fix” to the claims of racism that got us in this mess to begin with.
The irony of this is unbelievably astounding.
The Dems are positively orgasmic over the porkulus and can’t believe that they just got caught red handed with their pants down.
#70 Peepers: Ditto.
He who lives by the “Hope & Change’ lie dies by the “Hope & Change” lie. Hope & Change it ain’t when Pelosi & Reid remain in charge, Obama picks 30+yr Washington insider Biden to be his partner in crime (ala Rezko, Ayers, Wright, Blago, et al), and recyled Clintonistas for his cabinet. Voters are experiencing buyer’s remorse like never before. The reason the Administration wants this stinker of a bill passed quickly is that they’re hoping no one notices the smell before it passes; the longer it stays, the stinkier it gets.
#108 Dave: “When these young people go out to make a living and find that the leftists want to confiscate the product of their work with virtually nothing to show for it, they will magically start to see the fraud that is socialism.”
That’s a good one – don’t you know those people won’t have to go out and make a living b/c Obama’s gonna take care of them & provide them with free housing, health care, food, education, & transportation. THAT’S the magic of socialism.
President Obama is injecting himself into a political debate about the socalled stimulus bill, addressing what he thinks is a reservoir of popularity . He wants passage now because it’s necessary now, he says. Its need is urgent, he says. Do it now because I want it now, he says! That’s hardly presidential. Nor does it demonstrate proper leadership. No one holding publc office can maintain popular support for very long with that approach.
From Hope and Change
To Fear, Excuses and Blame
David S. said:
@87. Retep:
Cite your source.
Or admit that you are lying.
Peace.
DS
David S.
Cool it on the lying stuff. Read the whole thing here and weep. By the way, Cato uses the word Peace in their mission statement so I know it must be true.
http://www.cato.org/pubs/tbb/tbb-54.pdf
Danielle: If you are a woman as your name would imply. then I love you because women of the world are mothers of the world, and I love mothers because they bring babies into the world. Fathers help out, but mothers are the ones who do the heavy lifting. Having said that, let me leave you with my closing thoughts about Obama: he is a clueless Marxist con man who has probably never experienced an original thought in his mind: “Hope” and “Change” translates into my lexicon as bullshit and more bullshit. Teleprompters and handlers can cover Obama’s worthless ass for only so long, but sooner or later, the American people will find out that the man they elected to lead them is an intellectual non-entity. God Bless America!
whatnow: To me the left lost it’s credibility as well. It’s all about getting into office. The degree that either side rants with so much self righteous indignation…well it’s pathetic. I agree with Obama on some things, my problem is that I’m not really sure if I agree with him…ya know what I mean? Rachel P. sounds like she’s writing a new battle hymn of the republic…get off your high horse…based on some of your other posts I wonder if you’re projecting. (self esteem issues?) And I sure do wish each side would stop calling each other hate mongers. Come up with something new.
I better watch out before I’m accused of being a troll.
Operation generational theft act commences as Americans feel the rug being pulled out from under them.
Maybe Oprah and all of the rich and famous Hollyweird idiots who voted for Mr. Zero can pool their moula together and stimulate the economy.
Time to stock up on gold and toilet paper.
Too 115. Rotwang:
WE SEE WHO WRITES BIN LADENS SPEECHES THE TELBANE AND AL QUADA MINDLESS RANTS ! YOU HATE AMERICA AS DO MOST KISS OUR ENEMY ASS RACIAL SOCIALIST AND MARXIST PERVERTS . You are NOTHING MORE THAN rotten to the core garbage .
YOUR EVEN MORE WACKED OUT THAT OBOMA , NANY PELOSI AND ARRAFAT .
JUST TODAY WE HAVE A ENGLISH VIDEO OF THE TELIBANE SLOWLY BEHEADING A INNOCENT POLISH ENGINEER TRYING TO MAKE AFGHANISTAN ROADS BETTER SINCE THEY IIVE IN TOTAL POVETY THERE . THE TELBANE WANTS THE COUNTRY TO GO BACK TO 1200 AD,…… YOU WERE PROBABLY A SADDAM GUARD BEFORE THE WAR WITH THAT PEACE SHILD . HE MURDERED 2.2 MILLION MOSLEMS THE MOST IN WORLD HISTORY ..YES WE HELPED HIM AGAINST IRAN SINCE THEY WERE A WORSE ENEMY …BUT WHO THE ENEMY IS CHANGES OFTEN HISTORY HAS WELL TAUGHT US .
I JUST WISH YOU WERE HELPING AL QUADA WHEN SOME RECON MARINES FOUND THEM IN A AMBUSH OUTSIDE OF BAGHAD …….. YOU WOULD HAVE BEEN …….. NO MORE JERK OFF !
THEY HAS JUST TORTURED 9 MEN , WOMEN AND KIDS TO DEATH . TWO OF THE MEN WERE SKINNED ALIVE .
-Rotwang ‘I hear it from my college students every day..’.
Dollars to donuts you have a ponytail and/ or teach Poly Sci.. I believe Warren Churchill is available to guest speak.. hahaha
‘Congratulations’, you know how to empower, seduce 17-21 year old kids whose only success in life is not to have lived it yet. I bet it was ‘tough.’
You, Churchill and the ilk are all the same. You consider yourself grandiose in the eyes of children, babies really. The fact of the matter is you couldn’t have a lucid, motivating discussion with someone your own age if your life depended on it.
I’m only 10 years removed from college, though I remember how my friends and I would snicker when we’d see our Professor’s, similar to your banter, around campus and walk with some type of importance. I’m chuckling now thinking about it.
Kids who challenge, examine both sides of an agenda can smell your crapola miles away big guy.
The kids you ‘turned away’ due to the course being full is just as well. The majority are not old enough to drink to ‘wash’ your banter away..
oops, sorry, my bad. I think i had a brain fart. Albert it is.
Rotwang= Ward Churchill.
His screen name is a clever way of explaining that syphilis has made him insane.
My bad Rotwang, I accused you of pumping septic tanks. But if you inhabit Boston and the Hampdens you apparently live in them instead.
Dave S: You would not know the truth if it came up and bit you on the back side. It is you that is repeating a lie, but you do so unwittingly and inadvertently (or so I would hope).
Consider:
The system in China is really a form of Gangsterism with elements of Communism, Socialism, Corporatism, Fascism and good old fashioned organized crime. It is a “Socialist Kleptocracy”. The party functionaries and their kids have major interest in all but a few of the big companies, bribe those few remaining ones, and through extortion and legal and extra-legal legerdemain rule the country and have their corrupt fingers in every pie that matters. The vast majority of the population is under their brutal thumb. I suppose that one could call this a “Mixed Economy”, but hardly in the sense that you “mean” it. Not at all, in fact. When you say “mixed economy” you are repeating a Western Left wing euphemism that is designed to hide the truth of the matter. This Lefty lie is put out there so that they might say “See it works over there, let’s ‘try’ it here”. (As if tyranny were like a jacket that one could just put on and take off at one’s leisure.)
The multi-nationals over there pay out a huge amount in bribes. kickbacks, payola and other baksheesh to party functionaries, their associates and/or their families. If they did not the Party would seize what they have and shut them down.
How do you imagine a “mixed economy” works in the real world, that they split up parts of the country or something? That lions and hyenas lie down with lambs? That it is all unicorns and skittles? Get real. Mixed economy mean the Socialists Oligarchs control everything and skim and extort the so called “Capitalist Sector”, which really does ot function as a true sector, capitalist or otherwise, in the first place. How else could it practically work out?
The state runs what amounts to a huge protection racket. What do you think, you just show up and start business?
And that does not even begin to take in the huge state run industries or the agricultural sectors.
What do you do get your information from, some caption on a photo in a National Geographic somewhere?
Some dweeb at Foreign Policy? Paul Krugman? The Democrats? Wise up.
The real “Mixed Economy”:
!) The huge national sector (own and operated by the party apparatus)
2) The multinational large enterprises (mostly foreign companies; must pay huge amounts of baksheesh at almost all levels to the party apparatus, often in violation of their home country’s laws. Forced to hire party members or their kin. About every conceivable type of corruption know to man has to be dealt with by the management).
3) Chinese owned large enterprises(owned and managed (and looted) by the members of the party apparatus or their kin, the exceptions that are not outright owned fall into the same category of corruption as #2 above. Note: some of #3 are multi-nationals too.)
4) mid tier support and manufacturers firms (Mixture of #2 #3 an#4, few multi-nationals though.)
5) Small businesses (same as #3, obviously, no multi-nationals, more non-party ownership here.)
Above this sits the Party which can pretty much arbitrarily seize person and property (that they might have to occasionally stoop to duplicitous legal stratagems to do so is irrelevant). The vast majority of the population work as industrial or agricultural coolies, and own little property. It is not a free society at all for the vast majority of people. (and do not belive all the Party’s economic figures about their “middle class”, it is 80% BS, and any way very soon the whole sector will be wiped out by recession/depression). (oh, and I did not even get into the Unions)
So China is a mixture of old style communism, socialist keltocricy, and Socialist Gangsterism, with a dash of capitalism thrown in, and this dash might better be termed corporatism or “soft fascism”.
It is essentially run by an organized crime ring. A Mob. A Mafia. They just happen to have flags and uniforms. This more or less is how all communist and socialist countries are, they just vary on the details a bit. The peculiar nature of China–its huge population being the chief peculiarity–just obscures this cear and simple truth. Wait until later this year. You will see huge riots over in China, starting in the second quarter I’d wager. Let’s hear about that “mixed economy” then. Rumor is that some Communist hard liners want to use it as a focal point to shift the nation back further to the old days. Odd are god for them to get away with this.
The Left and the Democrats sell you that “China is a mixed economy” malarkey because they want to do the same thing over here. They are just hoping that you will not notice just what the “mixture” actually is. They want to loot rob and tyrannize over here too, just like that nice Chairman Mao fellow (they wore jackets like his in college in the 1960′a, and pretended to read his book, boy, was it “cool”, or what?). That way they can literally live like kings and never have to do an honest day worth of work in their and their families lives. They want to be just like their fellow communists in China. We and our descendant will be their slaves. Obama is well on his way to doing this.
Chinese society has nothing to do with the combination of Capitalism, free enterprise, the rule of law in general or our particular Republican system with its checks and balances, constitution and Bill of Rights. It has nothing to do with Judeo-Christian morality and civilization. Nothing at all It is a tyrannical and criminal enterprise.
It is not a “Mixture of Socialism and Capitalism” in the plain and simple sense of the notion.
The world is awash in liquidity.Ninety two percent of Americans are still working and receiving higher wages than a year ago.What the country and the economy lack is confidence.
We have a President who for purely political reasons continues to try to panic the populace.He is clearly totally ignorant of economics.Why should businesses and individuals invest or even make substantial purchases given the enviroment Obama is creating.
By the way the author is totally wrong about Reagan and his tax cuts causing deficits.The deficits did increase but the tax receipts were not to blame.They increased substantially as they did after the Kennedy and Bush tax cuts.Tip O`Neill would not let Reagan restrain or cut spending.Reagan tried mightily.The tax cuts did indeed bring us out of the Carter recession.One far worse than we have now no matter what “The One” claims.
Since you live in Cambridge Rotwang, and given present economic difficulties, do you fear Barney Frank may cancel your personal services contract?
And the new catch phrase is that these problems have been “inherited”. As if the new Administration is sitting around the lawyers table after their relative passed away and are irritated because they found out that although they inherited the mansion it comes with a mortgage.
Rotwang,
Please ask your students whether they are truly willing to give up their ipods, Priuses, lattes, and facebook pages in exchange for the agrarian utopia that you are proposing to them.
David S @ 104. Again: I brought up the fact that even China abandoned the collectivist economic model the left so loves for capitalism as an example of how stupid the collectivist economic model was. You are the one that then proceeded to point out how great China’s system was because government controlled the capitalist activities and told me that was what we needed here too. Now you are making like I said the Chinese system was good when I did nothing of the sort. Mongoose already addressed all the reasons why the Chinese system is to be deplored, other than to point out like I did that they abandoned the collectivist economic model for what works, and not wanted, so I will just stick to pointing out you are the one lying. The fact is that no hybrid or pure collectivist model serves anyone other than the elite in power well. The rest, the real people, get screwed.
Does all the Democrat’s talk of “Catastrophe” and “Emergency,” ring the bell of hypocrisy with anyone? All it takes is any conservative to mention the threat of terrorism, and the left is up in arms about fear mongering. They are doing the exact same thing with the present economy. I’m not saying that our economy is great or it may not get worse, but they need to practice what they preach.
I do live an agrarian life already. I am prepared for the unemployed to be walking the country roads and “will work for food.”
Rotwang has got this scenario right.
When George Bush took the presidency, he had a surplus, he had a republican congress and senate-he was a King. They did what ever they wanted. They wrote checks with out checking. They passed the patriot bill, which took freedoms away! Come on folks? If they wanted to revamp Fanny and Freddie they would have…but they didn’t. We also had The Project for the New American Century” ideologies to take over the failed regimes in the world with our military might. Iraq was in their scope for years before 9/11.
Most of you are bringing up the Jimmy Carter years-remember them well. Is this a touché for the horrible Bush years? LOL
George Bush has failed at every business in the past, and now the presidency. He has left us with a mess.
Oh, and Sicko is Michael Moore’s best movie.
As Delia said in #3, “The spendulus package is a big, fat joke and anyone with two brain-cells to rub together knows better.” Eon then elucidates with three good points in #6. And then cometh the boll weevils of trolldom, marching and munching their way through a hearty crop of comments. Blech.
The majority of the public proves time and again at election time that either they don’t have the requisite two neurons noted above, they play the lesser-of-two-evils game or they just apathetically don’t care. I admit my particular vice was of the lesser-of-two-evils kind. But, the elections (plural) are over as some here have noticed and unlike the petulant “we won” crowd, a point that is demonstrably true but duplicitous in implying that only liberal democrats “won” in November, I’d rather work at seeing the right thing done in all three branches of government. The article correctly states that President Obama is operating from the bait-and-switch playbook. Before election – Hopey/Changey. After election – Feary/Samey. Who’d have thunk it from a politician. I’m sure we’re all shocked. I think most of those posting actually paid attention before, during and after the recent economic downturn and found that the same players, politically correct government progroms and irresponsible market interference were at fault ( See #6, #30, #39, etc.) Those who refuse to see these things are self-deluded as twobyfour notes in #27 and seemingly happier for it. If it weren’t for the fact that these same self-deluded vote and perpetuate our problems through bad government, I wouldn’t give a rat’s rosy behind.
Rotwang,
I just can’t understand how that rat bassid nazi lovin’ Joseph McCarthy could have missed you. Are you sure you held your little red card up high enough to be noticed. Thank god you’re still around to properly inculcate our youths in the newer/better/changier/proper America for the 21st century (oh my, sorry about that religious slip). Normally I would think your persona is just a perverse farce except having seen what passes for “higher education” these days it unfortunately rings true. Seriously, do or did you ever crack a history book and learn anything or did you get a degree from the cracker-jack box. The twentieth century is replete with the failed examples of your type of socio-economic thinking: the Soviet Union, Red China, North Korea, Khmer Rouge Cambodia and on and on. Those all worked out so well it just makes sense for you to teach the kiddies that we should emulate them. But remember, once the little robots leave your classroom and begin to fervently work at destroying what most of us find to be a good idea, don’t mention those two homes lest the newer/better/changier/proper dictates think one is enough. Amazing how you can deride others for their success and at the same time laud your own with braggadocio.
David S.,
“_____________“
Where’s the beef… NO, NO, I demand you show me where the beef is. Cite it. Cite it.
War
COC
Trite, isn’t it DS?
TROLL 104. David S:
Soldier of Idiocy.
Ha..
With you liberals teaching high schools and colleges,
the former having a 45% drop out rate.
Establishing cooperative agrarian communities will be mandatory.
Every village will have a liberal idiot teacher call a Rotwang.
Clever “EEO appointment boy” has hired a bunch of white guys. If they don’t perform for Him, he can claim RACISM.</b
His education has taught him how to work the system. The First Skank is coaching Him about RACISM, also.
So Rotwang teaches – no surprise there. He’d be an abject failure doing anything else, and he knows it, so his goal is to make young people as resentful of the talented and successful as he is.
Shaw said those who can’t do, teach. I’d add that nowadays those who don’t know, teach. Only in America in 2009 can you pay big bucks for an education that actually makes you dumber and more confused about how the world really works.
Rotwang, I recall your type from the Carter era, when I was in college. The wimpy TA’s and the nerdy lefty professors who thought they were cool – you know what? A few years out of college and my friends and I (who had jobs in the real world by then) were laughing at you people. “Can you imagine Professor X in a real job? Hell, they’d can him in 2 weeks.”
Trust me – a few years down the line, when your present students no longer have to fear getting a bad grade from you (and you’re the sort of classroom dictator who I’m sure punishes any student who dares to express an un-PC thought), they’ll think of you – and laugh.
i am so scared!!!!! please save me, please!!!! but first scare me some more with talk of an econmy on the brink that will never come back, oh please. save me, spend money we dont have on junk we dont need and do it in my name. do it now, no time for debate, spend us into ruin like a crack head with a fist full of credit cards. (note in all fairness, the whole Iraq thing was bad too.)
fact: the gravy train is in the station. we are going to see a lower standard of living in this country. no amount of spending will stop this. plans are made to turn your mini-mc mansion into a multifamily house, smaller cars, punishing tax rates, etc etc are in the future.
where did we go wrong? please read Atlas Shrugged.
138. cocollins,
The trolls have me a bit baffled to be perfectly honest.
I’da thunk the lefties would stick to their HuffPo and Chris Matthews pander-puss, quiver-and-tingle type websites et al and just enjoy the mutual mental masturbation over being “THE WINNER” with like-minded 0-bots… -But, nope. They come here because “winning” was obviously not enough and they must defend Dear Leader to the death.
-Proof positive that Lib-Tards are a miserable lot indeed.
Girly man Zero’s voice is on Fox News in the background as I type this and he’s seriously giving me a headache. Gah! How ANYONE found his manner of speaking soothing must be smoking the really good, medical grade stuff.
Joe Camel, please hit your head on the door of the Marine One heli again…
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/2009/02/09/2009-02-09_repeating_bushs_mistakes_president_barac.html
Also, please give Nancy P. a big poke in her bulge-eyed mug Three Stooges style.
Thankies!
Nyuck!
@130. Mongoose:
There is corruption in every economy. Much of the crime worldwide is driven by draconian narcotics laws that create a massive black market. If you ever needed proof of Keynesian economics, check out the drug trade. If there is demand for something, it will find a way to be filled. Supply-side stimulus does nothing but flood the market, further distorting economic activity – easy credit is poison in an under-regulated economy.
Recent history suggests that the “Socialist Oligarchs” have a pretty good handle on making the transition from the 3rd world to the 1st at a blistering pace, and incorporating private property rights in the process. The US government is buying large shares in private companies, partially nationalizing industry. It is not absurd to suggest a convergence toward democratic/republican market socialism. Nobody was suggesting a wholesale importation of Chinese economic philosophy, or that we’d get there overnight.
Burn that strawman down. Nice work.
Peace.
DS
Band names for the American 2.0 Hopey/Changey Century – or probably just the next four years:
“Pol Pot and the Brigands”
“Wang Chungrot”
“Cite It!”
‘Bama Wama”
“WTFP”
“Operation Over”
“Mister Man’s Troll Band”
“Non-Electric Light Orchestra”
“Pink Roid”
“Agrarian Utopia”
“sCream”
“Doodie Blues”
“The Bama Brothers and Aunt and Granny Band”
“Huns & Poses”
“AllahBama”
“Scam Halen”
“The Strolling Bones”
Oh yeah, stupid me, I almost forgot…
War.
COC
@120. Retep:
You claim the CBO predicts recession, then you cite a white paper from the CATO institute that includes only this from the CBO:
You are lying, and now you proved it.
Peace.
DS
I get the feeling some of you people have been living on the moon the last 8 years. Bushco has left this country in a horrid mess. Bush and his enablers had a tendency to sugarcoat things. Obama is not going to do that.
If we delay, we are going to have a catastrophe. The stimulus package is not perfect. And it was just made worse by cutting some $100 billion on programs that would have helped alleviate the suffering of a lot of people currently out of work.
ALso regarding Rotwang at 114 and 115:
1. Pass the Stimulus Bill — Agreed!
2. Get out of Iraq — Also agreed! The “victor” in the War in Iraq seems to be Iran more and more everyday. The colossal waste ot tax dollars is also partly responsible for the economic mess we’re in.
3. Get out of Afghanistan — Have to disagree here slightly. We don’t want to rely too much on armed conflict. But this is a huge opportunity for nation building if it’s done right.
4. Repeal the Patriot Act — Total agreement.
5. Fairness Doctrine — Not needed. What’s really needed is change in ownership rules so the media is not controlled by a handful of people who force feed us these rightwing moonbats.
6. Legalize it!
3a. Israel needs to chill and we need to stop propping it up.
Namaste
147. cocollins:
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Yikes. You’ve just reinforced what I tell me friends. All the good rock band names, and automobile names, are taken.
#137 ACJ:
“Most of you are bringing up the Jimmy Carter years-remember them well. Is this a touché for the horrible Bush years? LOL”
Oh…this is “just desserts”, is it?
“I do live an agrarian life already. I am prepared for the unemployed to be walking the country roads and “will work for food.””
Ahhhh…NOW I see! You’re still living in the same double-wide trailer out in the sticks that you occupied in 1978…is that it?
Gee, that WOULD suck! Might even make me bitter…
“George Bush has failed at every business in the past, and now the presidency. He has left us with a mess.”
George Bush isn’t to blame for YOUR failure, ace.
I’m sure that one of your cronies back in the day warned you that dropping two tabs of blotter acid, smoking 40 bong hits rapid-fire, and listening to Foghat with the volume knob cranked up to “11″ might have SOME undesirable permanent side effects.
“They passed the patriot bill, which took freedoms away! ”
If you can quiet the buzzing in your head, do you think you could try to explain EXACTLY what freedoms were taken away from YOU?
Try writing it as a song lyric…I speak “Led Zeppelin”, man.
(Though not at a Graduate Level…I couldn’t abide wearing the necessary satin shirt).
Rotwang – To address your final point, abandon Israel. Our support of Israel has had the effect of keeping them on a leash. Remove that and the Arab world will see that as Israel at last completely alone this their chance to finally destroy her with little chance of reprisal from anyone else. This would be their last stupid mistake. Recall the story of Massada, but this time the Israelis will take the Romans with them. When they said “never again”, they meant it and now have the power to do it. The abandonment of Israel will likely leave the entire Middle East a smoking, radioactive ruin.
Some wise words from a century and a half ago -
“Man can live and satisfy his wants only by ceaseless labor: by the ceaseless application of his faculties to natural resources. This process is the origin of property.
But it is also true that a man may live and satisfy his wants by seizing and consuming the products of the labor of others. This process is the origin of plunder.
Now since man is naturally inclined to avoid pain – and since labor is pain in itself – it follows that men will resort to plunder whenever plunder is easier than work. History shows this quite clearly. And under these conditions, neither religion nor morality can stop it.
When, then, does plunder stop? It stops when it becomes more painful and more dangerous than labor.
It is evident, then, that the proper course of law is to use the power of its collective force to stop this fatal tendency to plunder instead of to work. All the measures of the law should protect property, and punish plunder.
But, generally, the law is made by one man or one class of men. And since law cannot operate without the sanction of the dominating force, this force must be entrusted to those who make the laws.
This fact, combined with the fatal tendency that exists in the heart of man to satisfy his wants with the least possible effort, explains the almost universal perversion of the law. Thus it is easy to understand how law, instead of checking injustice, becomes the invincible weapon of injustice. It is easy to understand why the law is used by the legislator to destroy in varying degrees among the rest of the people, their personal independence by slavery, their liberty by oppression, and their property by plunder. This is done for the benefit of the person who makes the law, and in proportion to the power that he holds.
Men naturally rebel against the injustice of which they are victims. Thus, when plunder is organized by law for the profit of those who make the law, all the plundered classes try somehow to enter – by peaceful or revolutionary means – into the making of laws. According to their degree of enlightenment, these plundered classes may propose one of two entirely different purposes when they attempt to gain political power: Either they may wish to stop lawful plunder, or they may wish to share in it.
Woe to the nation when this latter purpose prevails among the mass victims of lawful plunder when they, in turn, seize the power to make laws.
Until that happens, the few practice lawful plunder upon the many, a common practice where the right to participate in the making of law is limited to a few persons. But then, participation in the making of law becomes universal.And then, men seek to balance their conflicting interests by universal plunder. Instead of rooting out the injustices found in society, they make these injustices general. As soon as the plundered classes gain political power, they establish a system of reprisals against other classes. They do not abolish legal plunder. (This objective would demand more enlightenment than they possess.) Instead they emulate their evil predecessors by participating in this legal plunder, even though it is against their own interests.
It is as if it were necessary, before a reign of justice appears, for everyone to suffer a cruel retribution – some for their evilness, and some for their lack of understanding.”
~ Frederic Bastiat “The Law”
Well, I didn’t realize the indentations would gets eliminated or I’d have put spaces between the paragraphs. Sorry it’s all blocked up like that
Rotwang – I’m convinced that PJM has staffers make posts to stir the pot, create anger, and pull in the readers who are drawn to conflict. If you’re not a PJM poster you’re a fool. If you have any courage in your convictions you’d begin to post using your true name and identify where it is exactly you teach. I am a teacher myself and don’t believe that the person or character you claim to be be is packing them in as you claim. You seem to believe in the bile you spew, do you have the courgae of your convictions to truly defend them?
On another note – just watching the press bow at the alter of “That One”. Helen Thomas has dementia. “So called terrorists.”? It’s long past time she be put out to pasture. I’m sure she is a supporter of euthanasia, just not sure why one of her family members hasn’t helped her out with that one yet. Other great questions on important topics such as A-Rod and steroids, Leahy’s truth and reconcilliation committee, etc. Do these fools really live in the same nation?
Good Lord, this thread is infested with America-firsters and other assorted weirdo freedom-fetishists. I almost feel sorry for all the poor souls who’ve bought the whole BS rap about the “noble experiment” of democracy and “the shining city on the hill.” I mean, come on — we’re not children here, and this isn’t a John Wayne movie.
The end of America as a criminal conspiracy of ideologues and bankers will begin tomorrow with the passage of the Stimulus Bill, which will finally remove the country’s wealth from private hands and place it at the disposal of a new regime that is unhampered by sentimental attachments to flags, borders and outdated myths of national greatness. It’s time to set fairy tales aside, and get down to the hard work of building a rational social order based on fairness and equality.
This is going to be a tough transition for people who believe they “need” three cars and a 6,000-square-foot home. But the hard reality is that you can only eat so many steaks, sleep on so many pillows and own so many expensive toys. There is such a thing as “excess wealth,” and individuals who have it must learn to share it with the larger community. As Saul Alinsky said, “Whatever you don’t need for your own survival belongs, by right, to the Group.” And that wasn’t a thought original to Alinsky — he borrowed it from Jesus.
We need — all of us — to bury our partisan differences and get behind the New Program that will be gradually phased-in under the Obama administration. For those of us over 50, it will require an almost seismic adjustment, and a voluntary rejection of the failed concepts of patriotism and “go-it-alone” individualism. Thankfully, though, today’s students and tomorrow’s generations are unencumbered by the ramshackle contrivances of “national pride” and “American leadership,” and are hungry for a new, more just and humble America that understands the necessity of personal sacrifice and accepts the truth that it is no more or less important than Luxembourg or Sweden.
It’s an exciting, if frightening time. It will take courage to roll back 270 years of wrong thinking, but how many countries have ever been granted the opportunity to redeem their shameful history and start over fresh? I’ve never felt more alive, and I hope that the PJMers will come to know the same feeling.
Atta boy, David. Don’t give a inch. You nearly got the last word here. Great and convincing job. I have decided to join you looters on the collectivist side. That way, after you guys redistribute all my tax dollars to everyone who never paid any, I can get in there and “git me some”, too. Plenty for all, eh? Why don’t you get over there and “gitcha some too?” I am old enough that I will die before the potato lines start anyway. Wealth has to be created, son.
Peace, brother. And power to the people, eh?
PatJ,
You conclude your comments with ‘Namaste.’ Is this to be some type of joke? Oxymoron?
As you know, Namaste is Hindi for, paraphrasing mind you, ‘The goodness in me sees the goodness in you.’
FYI: You haven’t any right, conscience to use such a comment when calling others ‘moonbats’ and the like.
For all those, ‘Poor souls’ in unemployment, the classifieds section of nearly all nationwide papers hasn’t shrunken. Yeah, many working professionals are going to have to work on the bottom rung once again.
You speak of waste of tax dollars in Iraq. Talk to Iraqi men and women who can vote, drive a car, send their children to school, have running water, etc., etc., etc.,
On a further note of waste of tax dollars, It’d be nicer to have some money earned at a low wage position rather than being on the Government teat, ala unemployment, eh?
-The victor in Iraq seems to be Iran more everyday? Perhaps this is because Obama is making us look weak by again bringing up the idea of talking vis-a-vis with Iran. What a maroon. Didn’t he remember the flack he got for making this tee-ball league-like comment during the election? Apparently that little diddy hadn’t been deleted from his teleprompter yet.
-Israel needs to ‘chill’.. this sophomoric comment doesn’t deserve a response.
-Fairness Doctrine. Force feed? Hey PatJ, thumb through your channels and tell me the ‘fairness’ the lettered stations are giving on news coverage.. what a crock! I just love the questions Tom Brokaw, Bryan Williams, etc., ask Obama – ‘How are your kids coping’? ‘Have you stopped smoking’? ‘It must be tough being you’.. Maybe loony Ted Turner can buy FoxNews, right? hahaha
-Lastly, tell us how the Patriot Act has effected you or any LAW ABIDING individual(s) you know?
PatJ, one last note.
The ‘tax dollars’ being wasted in Iraq. Tens of thousands of Kurds, non-political Iraqi citizens are getting closure with the finding of the mass graves from ’04 to today.
You can only imagine what this does to the children, spouses, family and friends when the Vietnamese Government releases the remains of our serviceman to be buried properly. Then again, maybe you can’t..
Obama promised Hope and Change.
A new vision for America.
Now he says the last 8 years were a disaster.
Even though the markets went up to 14,000 under Bush and the Republicans.
Even though Bush and McCain calmed the investment markets with trillions of dollars of bailouts that the banks promised to pay back.
Now Obama says its all Doom and Gloom and a Catastrophe.
Obama preaches fear just like Rev. Wright.
If he doesn’t stop the fear mongering bad things will only get worse.
If we could only have one month of the optimism of a Winston Churchill or a Ronald Reagan.
Even Sarah Palin would have been better than this back draft.
Rotwang for President on the national socialist ticket! Song of Russia! Proletarian happiness for all!
We need to stop the pussy-footing “gradualism” of decades of Clinbushes and McBamas with their puny prescription drug and TARP bills. The Fed has the right idea – pushing the true principle of “too big to fail” on toward the $10T mark behind the scenes. And even that’s not enough. Print lots more. After all, money is just a medium of exchange — it doesn’t need to represent anything as barbaric as the production of materialistic “things.” It’s whatever the Fed says it is and forces us to believe.
And we also need to “grow up” and realize that self reliance is a myth; that when markets go down, it’s a just a “correction” of our “irrational exuberance” and a punishment for forgetting that we owe every minute of our lives to those who have less. We need to “think” like our professors taught us. We need Plato’s philosopher kings to tell us what to do, and we need them now. Only totalitarianism can save us!
So let’s “move on” to neo-feudalism. After all, Marx said that capitalism couldn’t survive, and Marx was a visionary genius. Who are we to doubt Obama’s “five-year” plan, let alone the dialectic process?
Of course with Rotwang in the oval office, those college students will stop learning that there are no absolutes. But that’s okay, because they, like us are incapable of reason anyway. Reason and truth are a myth. Prosperity is fiction, Islam is happiness, the will of the people is all, voluntary is compulsory, death is life.
Lots of cognitive dissonance being shown in the comments here. Apparently some folks are unsettled by the idea that for the first time in just over 8yrs, a smart, aware, and responsible grown-up is behind the wheel.
After sixteen years of Clinton and Bush I didn’t think it would get worse, but this is much worse. BO is a slick demagogue that is leading us to catastrophe (and it would probably only be 2% better if McCain had won).
Hello,
When I post something on whatever site, I do not care about which one. I am speaking from my heart, and I am just a REGULAR man, and that is it. Just a regular man. I am so sick, and tired of this man, and it has not even been a whole month of his stupidity yet, and I am so sick, and tired of him. Please someone take him away. I am so sick, and tired of hearing that if we do not bend over, and kiss his anal area the whole planet will just float away, and we will be all so sorry that we did not do just exactly what he told us to do. May God have Mercy on us, his royal highness knows everything is that not right. Wait this just in–HE IS SO FULL OF HIMSELF THAT HE NOW SAYS THAT WHEN HE SAID HE WAS SO SORRY FOR MAKING THE MISTAKE WITH TOM-(EVERYBODY ELSE SHOULD PAY TAXES. BUT NOT ME)-Daschle that he was about to call in a favor, but then he found out that all of Bill Clinton’s cronies were, or are already serving in his adm., or they were serving time, or wait a minute most of them have been pardoned by Slick-Willy so they do not need a job. They are already making more money than they need lying about what happened back in the 90′s when they were running things up in Washington D.C. Can you say—MAN WITH NO EXPERIENCE-(OBAMA)-THAT IS WHY HE HAS HAD TO RELY ON THE FORMER CLINTON CRONIES TO TRY, AND HELP IN HIS ADM. Keep on trucking Barry O’ You are doing just fine. You are a perfect 5 for 5. Gee if that were President Bush they would be giving him all kinds of hell. We are in store for some of the worst times of “OUR” nations history folks, so get ready it will only get worst from here on out.
Thanks for your time,
Larry D. Crumbley
bearone7777@yahoo.com
he “might” lose crediblity? Uh, *when* did he ever *have* credibility?
#156 Rotwang:
“Good Lord, this thread is infested with America-firsters and other assorted weirdo freedom-fetishists.”
Hahhaha!!!
“The end of America as a criminal conspiracy of ideologues and bankers will begin tomorrow with the passage of the Stimulus Bill, which will finally remove the country’s wealth from private hands and place it at the disposal of a new regime that is unhampered by sentimental attachments to flags, borders and outdated myths of national greatness. It’s time to set fairy tales aside, and get down to the hard work of building a rational social order based on fairness and equality.”
Oh…you’re GOOD!
“We need — all of us — to bury our partisan differences and get behind the New Program that will be gradually phased-in under the Obama administration. For those of us over 50, it will require an almost seismic adjustment, and a voluntary rejection of the failed concepts of patriotism and “go-it-alone” individualism.”
Stupendous!
“It’s an exciting, if frightening time. It will take courage to roll back 270 years of wrong thinking, but how many countries have ever been granted the opportunity to redeem their shameful history and start over fresh? I’ve never felt more alive, and I hope that the PJMers will come to know the same feeling.”
I am in awe, sir!
ATTENTION WANNA-BE TROLLS!
Brother Rotwang’s post is a masterpiece of the Trolling Art.
You should all print out his #156, frame it, and affix it to the wall behind and above your monitor.
You should read it, preferably while genuflecting, to let it’s brilliance infuse you before your booger-pickin’ fingers touch a single key.
You are all but feeble impostors in the presence of Trollmaster Rotwang.
A top-flight effort, sir! A nonpareil example of the Art you have produced here.
My hat is off to you.
Highest Regards;
162. BC wrote:
Lots of cognitive dissonance being shown in the comments here. Apparently some folks are unsettled by the idea that for the first time in just over 8yrs, a smart, aware, and responsible grown-up is behind the wheel.
Peter writes: Um… But I thought the Democrats won?
Yeah…
Our smart, aware, and responsible grown-up is behind the wheel of the ‘USS CATASTROPHE,’
with Harry Reid trimming the sails and a stoned Nancy Porkski holding up the water hole plug screaming:
“Where does this go”?!?
“Barack Obama is at risk of losing his credibility as a leader….” What “credibility as a leader” could this possibly be referring to? I’m not aware that he has ever actually led anything or had any credibility. Faulty premise.
“Barack Obama is at risk of losing his credibility as a leader by threatening disaster unless his will be done.”
Did I miss something?
What credibility?
158. paul_unalaska:
“FYI: You haven’t any right, conscience to use such a comment when calling others ‘moonbats’ and the like. ”
I even see goodness in some of the “moonbats,” Paul. Even you.
“You speak of waste of tax dollars in Iraq. Talk to Iraqi men and women who can vote, drive a car, send their children to school, have running water, etc., etc., etc.,
By your agrument, the Iraqis should be greatful for all the wonderful things we’ve done for their country. Sure they get to vote, but your way off about running water, which is a worse situation than before we invaded.
“On a further note of waste of tax dollars, It’d be nicer to have some money earned at a low wage position rather than being on the Government teat, ala unemployment, eh?”
It would have been even nicer if Bushco hadn’t gotten us into this mess. Then mamybe there wouldn’t be so many uneployed, eh?
“Perhaps this is because Obama is making us look weak by again bringing up the idea of talking vis-a-vis with Iran.”
Weak how? Last I looked our military budget was greater than all the military budgets of every other country on the planet. We ignored Iran when the reached out to us before we invaded Iraq. Obama’s going to at least try to open a dialogue. If that doesn’t work, then we get tough! How little faith you have in our country.
“Hey PatJ, thumb through your channels and tell me the ‘fairness’ the lettered stations are giving on news coverage.. what a crock! I just love the questions Tom Brokaw, Bryan Williams, etc., ask Obama – ‘How are your kids coping’? ‘Have you stopped smoking’? ‘It must be tough being you’.. Maybe loony Ted Turner can buy FoxNews, right? hahaha”
Hahahaha! Good one. And you obvious show your ignorance of the Fairness Doctrine by only mentioning NBC. The people who are making the biggest fuss are right wing talk radio hosts. You know. Limbaugh, Hannity, Glenn Beck, etc. The point is, they are making an issue out of something that in this day and age won’t work, and Obama and no one in Congress supports. I think a more pressing issue than the Fairness Doctrine is a lack in diversity of media ownership.
“-Lastly, tell us how the Patriot Act has effected you or any LAW ABIDING individual(s) you know?
The Patriot Act weakened protections of civil liberties for all Americans. including you. Some provisions I have no problem with. Others, are uncostitutional.
“The ‘tax dollars’ being wasted in Iraq. Tens of thousands of Kurds, non-political Iraqi citizens are getting closure with the finding of the mass graves from ‘04 to today. You can only imagine what this does to the children, spouses, family and friends when the Vietnamese Government releases the remains of our serviceman to be buried properly. Then again, maybe you can’t..”
A totally illogical statement considering both wars were a burden on the American tax payer. And quite frankly, I have more empathy for the families of Vietnam MIAs than I do for the Kurds. But that’s just me.
Namaste
156. Rotwang:
Drooling fool; You sound like an obese, kool aid sucking, Obama licking, imitation troll.
Are you a Mullah?
@148 David S.
Nice try David S., but you conveniently left out the first part of that paragraph. Here it is for the sake of our other posters:
The most likely scenario is Congressional Budget Office Forecast. That projection shows the economy suffering a recession with unemployment approaching 10 percent. But that is nothing like the Great Depression, where unemployment was 15 percent or more for many years, and peaked at 25 percent. Relative to its baseline, CBO projects that a fiscal stimulus could reduce the unemployment rate by about one or two percentage points.
Like all budding totalitarians,and like the party that hatched him. The messiah believes in government through fear,stampeding his base of ignorant hysterics,while suppressing critical discussion and dissent.Like Chavez and Hitler,he wants uncritical dependence on govt.,by promoting fear. The last thing this clown needs is a nation of competent,informed citizens, determined to succeeed by their intelligence and hard work;he wants ignorant,welfare dependent losers who will sell their freedom and personal initiative for a mess of govt. cheese. Ultimately, the situation will degenerate into a war between the John Galts and the Democrats,and their welfare rabble.
Uh oh..even his Harvard buddies are turning on him.
From Robert Barro, economics professor at Harvard. Note the first sentence. Dang!
This is probably the worst bill that has been put forward since the 1930s. I don’t know what to say. I mean it’s wasting a tremendous amount of money. It has some simplistic theory that I don’t think will work, so I don’t think the expenditure stuff is going to have the intended effect. I don’t think it will expand the economy. And the tax cutting isn’t really geared toward incentives. It’s not really geared to lowering tax rates; it’s more along the lines of throwing money at people. On both sides I think it’s garbage. So in terms of balance between the two it doesn’t really matter that much.
http://business.theatlantic.com/2009/02/an_interview_with_robert_barro.php
I would love to see it proposed that the money for ACORN and stopping the effort to re-arrange the Census bureau and watch the outrage by the socialists. There is a big talking point of ‘infrastructure’ creating jobs. 2 years ago it was accessed that rebuilding the power grid alone would cost $145B, yet in the bill only $4b is allotted. More money is being spent on Acorn and the Census then the entire ‘infrastructure’ part of the bill.
Actual REAL ‘stimulus’ spending in the socialist takeover bill is about $40B.
This is exactly the same process the government took to put us into the Great Depression, although nowhere near on this scale.
The “Campaigner in Chief” is engaging in Economic Terrorism. And saying that he has the only cure!
We won’t be a socialist nation, that is why we persevered through the depression; with soup lines and not handouts…the government at some point will not be able to care for everybody. My grandmother told me that people would be at her back door asking for breakfast. She said that it was from the kindness of others that got everyone through. “Greed and every man for himself” changed to “what can I do for you.”… this is the true strength of America. Our political differences will be set aside.
This is not a cookie cutter recession we are entering, it is a full blown bad ass economic depression.
Obama can not take the blame. He is here to handle failed policies. I would’nt want to be in charge as the ship is going down….like the person who is called on watch when disaster hits?
This person is the fall guy?
Actually this person needs some respect. He only started little less than a month ago.
Rotwang, I know you seem confident in the future but you are not near as comfortable as I or any born again Christian. There will be lot of things coming down that will affect your world peace, world prosperity and most of the world being islamic. Bible prophecies bear you wrong and your abandonment of Israel shows your ignorance on this subject. Jesus Himself said there would be an increase of wars, increase of earthquakes, pestilence and of course things will intensify within the creation of Israel in 1948. Furthermore, Brezhnev, and other Soviet leaders also failed to jumpstart their economy. I don’t know how you increase motivation under socialism when people know they already have a guaranteed job.
180. ACJ wrote:
Obama can not take the blame. He is here to handle failed policies.
Peter writes: Failed policies he helped perpetuate by preventing oversight and accepting huge donations from those that caused this whole mess.
Obama cannot take the blame? BS! He accounts for at least a third of the blame!
181. Gary Thorington wrote:
I don’t know how you increase motivation under socialism when people know they already have a guaranteed job.
Peter adds: …And that any additional personal effort will NOT produce any additional personal gain.
why are we arguing about what this schmuck said or didn’t say – where is even one clear cut program – where? what is it? just a chaotic bag of blab.
this is clear: he wants to pump yet more money into the banks!!! already sitting on a mountain of our tax dollars and stuffing it down their craws. and Acorn, and the census bureau!!!
he is a hump. and it’s only two weeks in. very stimulating.
PatJ, Honestly, every comment you’re making is hearsay and conjecture. No facts, but response by emotion, with not one iota of fact finding
-SHOW me the ‘worse’ conditions in Iraq than before we’d arrived? The website from an in-country war correspondent. Not an Amanpour or others who spin the story and are in-country for 24-72 hours.
-’Bushco’ is responsible for unemployment? I’ll state it again. If these individuals are out of work, it’s the greedy CEO’s and their accountants who over inflated their company’s worth. Not one man. If you truly believe this, you haven’t any hope, want in researching, discovering answers.
-I didn’t only point on NBC as the lettered news channel, bub. I didn’t mention any! You projected it because I’d mentioned only 2 newsman from NBC. I spoke of Ted Turner as well, you forgot to mention his channel as well.. hopeless.
-In case you haven’t been around and read the news from 1979 – Present, Iran is NOT willing to play nice. Oy..
-More diversity of media ownership? Will this ‘diversity’ change include the ‘WET’ channel? An ‘Ivory’ magazine? The ‘Caucasian College Fund’? ‘The White Caucus’? An institution titled, ‘The Race’, though signify white only members? When is the NAACP going to recognize white people’s plight who live in Harlem, NY, South Chicago, IL, Flint, MI… et al?
-PatJ, a diverse network, a diverse workplace, etc., has proven to not improve performance. Check out the piece in Scientific American Mind from 2005 or 2006. I can’t recall. it’s all there.
-A diverse media ownership.. I’m glad most networks spoke of the steroid using A-Rod. Ahhh… diversity.
-’Being a burden on the American taxpayer’.. The U.S. wasn’t involved in the gassing of the Kurds, kidnappings, torture, etc., Tinnocent do-gooder tyrant Saddam Hussein was at the helm. not to mention the Kurds weren’t enemy combatants. Most were civilian casualties. Do you know anything of history?
-As for Vietnam, you should be looking moreso at your own party with the fall of Saigon and the Democrats not coming to the S Vietnamese’s aid, the killing fields, etc.,
Your whole diatribe is illogical!
Do yourself, though moreso me a favor. Crack open dozens of history books to truly enlighten your mindset. Books are your friends..
#179 ACJ:
“We won’t be a socialist nation, that is why we persevered through the depression; with soup lines and not handouts…”
Newsflash, hotshot…we already ARE a socialist nation, and have been since FDR.
We don’t CALL it “Socialism”, but that’s what it is, nonetheless. It’s done via state-subsidies, and was first done with agribusiness.
During the Depression, the prices on agricultural commodities dropped so low that farmers were pouring milk out into the sewers,(there’s newsreel footage of this).
The government started buying dairy products,(cheese, most famously, which Reagan would distribute to the hoots and catcalls of the Left,BTW), as well as grains, and a whole host of other commodities, as a “price support”.
(This means it’s more expensive than it would otherwise be).
Those programs continue to this day.
Now, though, it’s the Department of Agriculture which dictates what and how much farmers,(or more precisely, agribusiness concerns) will grow and the subsidy money is the stick they use to enforce compliance.
That’s a state-directed economy but the means of production are privately owned…that’s Socialism, ace.
“…the government at some point will not be able to care for everybody.”
That point occurred long ago, this is why our economy has been based on consumer debt, don’t you see?
“My grandmother told me that people would be at her back door asking for breakfast. She said that it was from the kindness of others that got everyone through.”
And if you believe your granny, then you should see through the government’s claims to be helping people. The only ones they help are themselves.
Let’s go back to that Department of Agriculture for a moment. When that mid-level bureaucrat retires from Government after a few decades of overseeing a wee bit of the Farm Subsidy program, where do you suppose he gets a job to start “double-dipping”?
With the companies that benefited most directly from the decisions he made while he was government flunktionary…surprise! surprise!
“This is not a cookie cutter recession we are entering, it is a full blown bad ass economic depression.”
If you can tell the future, you shouldn’t be wasting your time here on PJM, you should be in a corner office on Wall Street.
Let me enlighten you on something …a “Depression” is what happens when a Recession is mis-handled.
Reagan showed how to smack a reecession in the head back in 1982…cut taxes and cut them deep and fast. If you can convince the Congress to also cut spending,(which Reagan was NOT able to do with his Congress), when you recover, it’ll take off like a rocket. If Congress refuses to cut spending, you’re into deficit spending. Your recovery is saddled with debt.
In 1991-2, Bush 41 told us that the recession would last about 18 months, and then it would recover quickly.
That is exactly what happenned.
And to his credit, Bill Clinton played it right. He didn’t splurge on spending,(although his wife was tempted with the HillaryCare Boondoggle), and when he did increase taxes, he paid down the debt with them.
“I would’nt want to be in charge as the ship is going down….”
It’s not going down. A few years ago, the Chairman of the Fed opined that the market was suffering from “Irrational Exuberance”.
Ship rolls to starboard, and then rolls just as far to port…
We have to roll towards “Unreasoning Despair” before we return to an even keel.
The peril lies in what commands the helmsman is given…if you’re rolling to port, you don’t steer to port. That’s how you capsize.
And take it from someone who was aboard an 850′+ long bulker,(carrying government wheat bound for Egypt, no less),when it rolled 57′ to port…you DON’T want to start walking on the bulkheads.
I’ve sailed rustbuckets through weather in the North Atlantic that would have you on your knees beseeching every god you knew or had ever heard of to get you home.
Chill out and do your f’ing job. We’ll get through this if we just each take care of ourselves and each do our bit.
Yes, ultimately, it’s in the hands of the Almighty. Everything is. So it’s no use at all to allow yourself to get worked up into a panic.
So we get beat up a little before we get through…so what?
We’re special?
The U.S. wasn’t involved in the gassing of the Kurds
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Actually we were since Sadaam got the gas from us!
#187 Pat J:
“The U.S. wasn’t involved in the gassing of the Kurds
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Actually we were since Sadaam got the gas from us!”
Cite your source.
And it better be a god-damned irrefutable one, to make a charge like that.
No quibbling, no whining and no ad hominem BS attacks to deflect attention from what you’ve alleged.
Cite your source.
The U.S. wasn’t involved in the gassing of the Kurds
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Actually we were since Sadaam got the gas from us!
I ditto Bilgeman’s sentiment. Sources..
If you have such loathing, contempt for your country (which BTW, NONE of your comments you state as fact are so far from fact it’s truly frightening), do something about it. Write your local congressman/ congresswoman, respectively. Attend city council meetings. get your 3 minutes in.
The officers present at these meetings will then learn of your gross negligence of American history and arrest you for idiocy. A guy can dream…
The only president I ever voted for was Perot. To all you that thought I meant a socialist solution. I was talking about the corporate greed from outsourcing jobs.
So it’s okay for big business to sell out the USA, for selfish profit of a few. No entry-level jobs, no money circulating for USA big business profit. Economy suffers.
Who is the biggest consumer of merchandise?
Is that so hard to figure out?
Mr. Moran: What else can one expect from a divinity. He’s been all but proclaimed a god by the lickspittle media,and the ignorant rabble that voted him in.Like all gods, he threatens thunderbolts and worse unless his will be done.Watch for this Chavez impersonator to attempt to shut down blogs and talk radio,as his zany economic schemes unravel;watch for the acorn rent-a-mobs to pressure advertisers and radio stations. The messiah is is full blown Evita Peron mode,and his minions are putting on their Brown shirts. The question is:How will free Americans respond?
@188. Bilgeman: and @189. paul_unalaska:- Actually we were since Sadaam got the gas from us!” … Cite your source.
Don’t hold your breath for a cite, folks.
Everyone knows where Saddam got his chemical weapons. And where his conventional stuff came from is also common knowledge. Funny stuff when you look at which countries were stonewalling back in late 2002.
The problem is that leftist talking points will simply never die. “Bush Lied!” even though we know it was Joe Wilson who repeatedly lied. “Valerie Plame was illegally outed!” even though we know Richard Armitage was never indicted, much less convicted of a crime. “No WMDs in Iraq!” even though the Duelfer Report validated the entire laundry list of clauses in the Joint Resolution to use Military Force in Iraq approved by Congress. “Bush destroyed the economy!” even though we know insane lending rules demanded by Democrats destroyed the housing market (and the credit sector which leveraged securities they claimed were riskless). “The GOP caused unemployment!” even though the Dems’ minimum wage hike is responsible for the loss of some 1.5M jobs. “The GOP ballooned the defecit!” even though the debt-to-GDP ratio was on average lower during Bush’s two administrations than during the previous 8 years.
The list goes on…
goy:
“Don’t hold your breath for a cite, folks.”
I want to see what factual basis the guy has for making that kind of charge.
If he has none at all, then he’s f*cking anti-American liar.
If he gives us a “George Soros said” kinda source, then he’s repeating the lies of a f*cking anti-American liar.
Either way, he’d better come up with something.
Or find himself another blog to poison, because a charge like that, without any factual basis given, has a way of following one around thread to thread.
#156 Rotwang-
What about other nation’s wealth that’s in private hands? Like, say, in Saudi Arabia or Spain? Does that get divvied up also? Or does that just go for America? How about Hugo Chavez and all his wealth accumulated by being a “Great Leader”? Is BHO and crew going to make sure everybody worldwide is playing fair? It seems the US helped Europe during two World Wars in the waging of war and the rebuilding of society. Pretty good for a mismanaged 270 years. The Arab world and Europe have nothing but infighting and wars over those 270 years to show the world. (Yes, we had a Civil War in the U.S., but 4 years is a fraction of what the European and Arab worlds have seen in almost constant fighting and death). Heck, Sunnis,Kurds,Shiites,etc. would rather kill each other than work out their differences. Do you see neighborhood churches fighting each other in the U.S. BTW? One exception to the Arab constant infighting might be developing in Iraq, which has a constitution modeled on whose example? Right, the U.S.
Rotwang-
Also it Is “America First” here. Most Americans, I believe, will back me up on that. You are here because you want to be. There are many outside the US who would like to come here despite all the negatives that the last “270 years” have brought. Heck, they wanted to come for centuries before BHO came on board. If one doesn’t like it here, with our “America First” mentality, one doesn’t have to stick around. Don’t let the door bump you in the burkha on the way out.
Bilgeman, My father was a Navy pilot and gave his life for our country. His parents were square heads (socialist) they loved America. My grandparents started out in sweat shops but soon live the dream by having their own businesses. I am a thankful person after all of their stories…but I wnat to be a proud American…that means manufacturing, not a service industry. and that means everyone has a chance, not just the rich people. I beleive in education and healthcare. Other countries have so much more than we do…we are docked before we can get ahead…this is extreme capitolism. I hate any ism. but extreme capitolism is just as bad as any other ism.
190. Pajewmas tuba teakettle of fish wrote:
The only president I ever voted for was Perot.
Peter writes: If you haven’t voted for President since 1992, you lose all rights to moan and bitch about anyone in the position of POTUS.
#196 ACJ:
“Other countries have so much more than we do…we are docked before we can get ahead”
How well-travelled are you? I’ve circumnavigated the globe, and have sailed for the past twenty-one years.
These other countries don’t have near what we do, since the ones I think you have in mind are a lot further down the road to total sociailism than we are.
If you look a little more closely at nations like France and Germany and the Scandis, you should very quickly realize that the whole social welfare state is predicated on the exploitation of immigrant labor to produce the profit margins necessary to fund these benefits.
And the bennies down at the hind teat aren’t near as groovy as the bennies up at the front of the line.
“but I wnat to be a proud American”
Then BE one. What’s stopping you?
“My father was a Navy pilot and gave his life for our country.”
Sounds like he didn’t look to find a peg to hang his flight helmet on so that he could NOT be proud of America. Why are you doing so?
Because “that means manufacturing, not a service industry. and that means everyone has a chance, not just the rich people.”?
Look, there’s a saying that you might never have heard of that I think might profit you:
“The Perfect is the Enemy of the Good”.
If you want perfection, you’re not going to find it on THIS planet or in THIS life.
Settle for what’s the best available.
ACJ: please explain why all the wall street tumors,the Hollywood billioaire scum, and garbage like Goerge Soros,are all Obama democrats.We are being run by a left wing plutocracy.
“190. Pajewmas tuba teakettle of fish wrote:
The only president I ever voted for was Perot.
Peter writes: If you haven’t voted for President since 1992, you lose all rights to moan and bitch about anyone in the position of POTUS.”
I most certainly have a right. NAFTA passed. Looks like it’s irreversible now.
Corporate greed.
Sounds like you’d like to silence as many dissenters as possible.
You have overtones of commie-facisism.
“Commie-Fascism”
Nothing is irreversible;that’s why the founding fathers created the first and second amendments.
HEY BileMan,
Have you been to France, Canada, or the UK or did you go to South America on a friendship tour?
Socialized medicine is what you received while you were in the service. Our government trusts government healthcare. If we had socialized healthcare we wouldn’t need unions, and small businesses would be able to compete on a world market. Some socialism can be a healthy part of capitalism.
I am offended by your insensitive remark about my father. He was a LJG, an extremely good pilot and thought that joining the military was the duty of an American. When he died he left my mother with two infants. I understand it is the chance you take when you join the service, but he wanted to be an American and not a Swede.
Republicans have ruined our country financially. They took a surplus and ran it into the ground. George Bush used Reaganomics to make the rich richer and poor and middle class poorer. His reign of government did not excel education, infrastructure, or even tried to get us off the oil nipple to make us independent and strong.
Obama is making change by doing the opposite of George Bush, to SAVE this country. We are in the process of saving this country from collapse. We have only had republicans running the show for the past 8 years and this is the result. There is nothing to show for those eight years but devastation. You have no right to be arrogant, or tell me anything about your way of governing.