The freeloaders are the health insurance and medical companies that have bought the damnocrats and christicans.

My point: What if, under this gov’t mandated insurance, you fall on hard times, and just can’t pay for it? Well, they’ll give you a subsidy, so they say (and where the heck is all this money coming from?! But that’s another issue). But will that subsidy cost you EVERYTHING? Will not being able to pay for the mandated insurance end up driving you into desperate poverty, as you have to give up your house, your car, your paltry savings account — EVERYTHING — that could eventually help you climb out of your hole?!

So, you’ll have health insurance. You won’t have anything else, but you’ll have THAT. Great. Try eating it, staying warm and dry, or paying bills with it. And how ’bout when they tell you: Hang glide? Lose your coverage (LYC). Horseback ride? LYC. Hike? LYC. Swim? LYC. Rock climb? LYC. Lift weights? LYC. Own a gun? LYC. Too active? LYC. Sedentary? LYC. Think I’m crazy? (Oh no! I’ll LMC!) Read 1984. The whole thing’s designed to doublethink us over the brink.

You are a loser. Your position on health care reform is a loser. And the candidates who support your position have been voted out in droves.

And then to top it off you wish death on your political opponents. Classy guy, venividivici.

The only hole around here is the one in your head where your brains leaked out.

You obviously have no clue what the Milliman paper’s thesis is. Again, I’m done and the thread will just have to stand as evidence of what I said and what you said. There’s nothing I can gain from “debating” with someone so detached from reality. It’s like the Milliman paper is an math problem and your answer to it is “tuba”. There’s a story about one of the pioneers of quantum physics getting a paper from a young researcher asking for his opinion of it. The older physicist replied something along the lines of “That’s so wrong it isn’t even wrong”, meaning the younger researcher had so botched the initial premises that there was no way to recover and reach anything like a defensible conclusion. A parable of our interaction and, no, you aren’t the older physicist in this parable.

I cited the article correctly. It is you who tried to twist and obfuscate and you got busted.

This is what they said and I quote.

“Examining payment rates for 2006 and 2007, Milliman estimated that if Medicare and Medicaid paid the same rates as private insurers, they would have spent $88.8 billion more.”

This is what you made up and posted and I called you on it.

74. venividivici:

The Milliman paper is saying that the cost that is passed on to non-Medicare/Medicaid patients because of low Medicare/Medicaid reimbursements is $88.8 billion.
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Now, in addition to being ignorant it is obvious that you are a liar as well. Stop digging. The hole you are in deep enough.

You can’t cite a paper correctly nor do you understand things that you claim to understand perfectly and I’m ignorant? You are beyond parody.

You’re like a modern-day Leftist Archie Bunker.

Look at my screen name, retard. Does that seem like the kind of screen name a Christian would use?

Just because you are ignorant and have been reduced to political insignificance is no reason to wish death on your fellow citizens.

I’ll do whatever I please and for whatever reason I please. I live on my feet, not on my knees like you Obama-worshippers.

“In fact, I hope it kills it so dead that every Leftist who supported it ends up out of a job and homeless, dying in the streets. That would make me happy to see.”

Real classy. And let me guess. You also claim to be a Christian.

Just because you are ignorant and have been reduced to political insignificance is no reason to wish death on your fellow citizens.

Health care reform will pass, with a meaningful public option. All else is redundant blather

Yeah, I don’t think you know what “redundant” means, you just wanted to use a big word. If the people who are “blathering” are saying “health care reform won’t pass” or “health care reform won’t pass with a meaningful public option”, what exactly is “redundant” in those statements? To be “redundant” something must repeat something someone else said without any additional meaning, but with different words.

Anyway, enough lessons on the meaning of words. I’ll believe what you say when I see it. If it passes, I hope it kills the Left in this country for good. In fact, I hope it kills it so dead that every Leftist who supported it ends up out of a job and homeless, dying in the streets. That would make me happy to see.