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Francois Hollande Misreads France’s Thoughts on Syria

Despite a two-century history with Syria, French citizens have little interest in joining Obama against Assad.

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Michel Gurfinkiel

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September 13, 2013 - 8:32 am
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Back in 1807, Hortense de Beauharnais — Emperor Napoleon’s beautiful stepdaughter and the puppet-queen of French-occupied Holland — composed a lyrical song called Partant pour la Syrie (Departing for Syria). In a typical French way, it mixes religious, military and erotic motives. While ostensibly about Dunois, a French knight about to leave for the Crusades, it alludes to the stunning French military achievements of the Revolutionary and Napoleonic age, including the 1798-1801 campaign in Egypt and the Holy Land. The first stanza deserves to be quoted in full:

Going to Syria

The young and handsome Dunois

Went to ask the Virgin Mary,

His heroic deeds to bless,

Make it so, immortal Queen

He said on his leaving,

That I love the most beautiful woman

And be the bravest.

A very popular song throughout the first half of the 19th century, and even an unofficial national anthem under the Second Empire (1852 to 1870), Partant pour la Syrie has remained a classic of French military music to this day. Indeed, it has contributed in no small way to modern France’s infatuation with the Orient, and the popularity of wars of colonial conquest or “pacification” in North Africa, the Balkans, and the Near and the Middle East.

In line with the 1916 Sykes-Picot agreement, the French occupied present-day Syria and Lebanon in 1920 and ruled them as a League of Nations mandatory power until 1946. France has been back in the area since 1978 as self-styled “protectors” of Lebanese independence, and as a permanent part of the United Nations Interim Force in Lebanon (UNIFIL) — a largely decorative role.

However, Queen Hortense’s music may finally have run out of its magic.

The prospect of French participation in an American-led coalition against the Assad regime, as outlined by President François Hollande, is largely unpopular. According to a BVA/Le Parisien poll released on August 30, 64% of the French oppose such a move. An IFOP/Le Figaro poll on September 6 turned out exactly the same figures. This is a sharp rise from earlier polls: for about six months — from February to the first weeks of August — opposition to war amounted to an average 40% of the public opinion, and never went above 49%.

An LH2/Le Nouvel Observateur poll released on September 9 is shedding more light. The Left as a whole is more supportive than the Right: 49% to 27%. Followers of Hollande’s Socialist Party are much more supportive than the other groups composing the Left: 57% to 47% of the neocommunist Left Front followers and 39% of the Greens.

Among the Right, followers of Nicolas Sarkozy’s conservative party are slightly more supportive than followers of Marine Le Pen’s National Front: 29% to 21%.

Clearly, political affiliation is a factor: the more sympathetic one is to Hollande, the more one supports prospective operations in Syria. By that token, the president’s fortunes do not run high outside his own party. A confirmation of the very low global approval rate he currently enjoys: a bare 32% according to an AFP/Le Monde poll released on September 3.

But there is more than political affiliation behind the French reluctance to go to Syria: many citizens think the war is ill-conceived and may backfire. According to the BVA/Le Parisien poll, 37% think Western military operations will pave the way to a radical Islamic takeover of Syria, 35% are concerned operations may trigger a broader regional war and 22% are skeptical about the outcome for the local population in terms of improved safety and human rights.

As for Hollande’s (and Obama’s) main rationale for military action — the “moral duty” to punish the Assad government for using chemical weapons against fighters and civilians alike in rebel areas – the French find it too reminiscent of the charges leveled ten years ago against the Saddam Hussein regime. The French largely opposed the second Iraq war, and have tended to believe ever since then that the entire case against Saddam’s non-conventional armaments was a deliberate American hoax.

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People are becoming weary of war, but even more they are becoming weary of being lied to and emotionally manipulated by their elected representatives. People in the main are not geniuses but they do have common sense and pragmatic intelligence; to tell them that they must rain high explosives onto a country that has not attacked them because of a "moral duty" does not add up and they know it.
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French citizens have little interest in joining Obama against Assad.
Neither do American citizens or British citizens or German citizens or Australian citizens or ... have any interest in helping out head choppers.
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as usual it's a biased interpretation of the french reluctance ,

The French didn't see the point to make limited strikes and to not topple Assad, and of course they dudn't want to help the AQ fighters.

Pierre Haski has a better interpretation of french humanitarian interventions,

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http://www.rue89.com/2013/09/14/quand-france-pratiquait-lingerence-humanitaire-levant-1860-245670

Also, there's no ambition to imitate the great powers, nor overtaking UK's position , just read the french military blogs and not rely on the parisian Salons

The French have enough of the BHL and alike people 's lectures on humanitarian duties,
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Morality aside, Hollande comes off as more stoopid than anything. He wasn't paying attention to what was really going on with Obama and his stated intentions? His diplomatic and intelligence services didn't keep him informed?

No national leader with any sense would want to attach his country's blood and treasure to a profoundly unserious Operation Save Obama's Face.
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A traditional and predictable undercurrent of bluster and wishful thinking runs through this article, very French in all directions -- especially the religious need to tilt at the British (always reciprocated by the British in a kind of infantile two-step) and to crow about France's military prowess today. If you have time to doodle a bit, google the aircraft carrier Charles de Gaulle and also force de frappe (strike force); the latter underwent a name change after mocking American references to force de crappe.

No accident that the rooster is the French nat'l emblem, appropriate not just because of endless crowing but because the bird is a high-plumage strutter that carries on singing even when it’s knee-deep in cow sh*t. A new Pentagon-like building, eh, soon to be filled with armchair warriors. Wow!

Reality: France’s socialist state is now unraveling, sinking under a sea of debt and inefficiency; the fan will be hit sooner not later, maybe next year. To be truly vulgar: It’s taken the Krauts 100 years to get the Frogs where they want them.

The French are at least as ignorant as we are and much lazier, only they often eat better. A preposterous people, not to be trusted.
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idiot
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You can blame that psychopath philosopher Jean-Jacques Rousseau and the Jacobins for France's current nature. Before the French Revolution and the horrors that had occurred (including Vendee), France was a devoutly Catholic, or at least devoutly Christian country. There was a reason why France was once considered a second Vatican, and why its nickname was the second Rome. However, thanks to Rousseau's Emile and his works, not to mention those of Marquis de Sade and Voltaire, the French underwent a violent revolution nearly mirroring what Marx would blueprint and what Lenin would put to practice in Russia, and butchered several Christians, even orchestrating the unofficial first genocide in Europe by Europeans since Rome salted Carthage. From what I've read and heard of France in both movies/video games and even in real life (the latter by a film professor who was a flaming hard-left individual), France is morally bankrupt right now. Heck, a World article even labeled 3/4ths of the populace of France as enjoying the moral and spiritual disaster that was May 1968, or at least viewing it positively. It also doesn't help that the game "Peace Walker," via the character Cecile Cosima Caminandes, when describing the event (to which she explicitly commented that free love and dismantling old traditions was the main known focus of the riots), even implied that literally every single female in Paris, if not France in general, had become sultry harlots as a result of May 1968. I'm still awaiting verification as to whether that was actually true from the real Cecile Caminandes, among other things.

BTW, Gurfinkel, I've repeatedly requested this multiple times, but you apparently have never responded, so please, since I am autistic and thus I have great difficulty in perceiving non-verbal answers especially on the web, I really need you to consider and either do this request or at least respond with a no and reasons why: Dismantle or rename the institute you currently are leading, as Rousseau is by no means a Conservative. Heck, he's actually called the founder of modern liberalism/the father of the left, not a conservative. Heck, he and his teachings butchered a lot of people, Christians, and it indirectly led to Nazi Germany's actions and persecutions of Jewish people and even some of Stalin's actions. Heck, Pol Pot was even trying to implement Rousseau's work into his Year Zero campaign in Cambodia, which was one of the most bloody events in the 20th century in terms of percentages and time rate of people butchered.
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blah blah blah

what a charabia
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I've got sources for you, you know:

http://jloughnan.tripod.com/memfrrevl.htm

http://www.thedivineconspiracy.org/Z5260P.pdf

http://www.sullivan-county.com/nf0/nov_2000/list.htm

http://www.sullivan-county.com/deism/madman.htm

The Politically Incorrect Guide to Western Civilization

http://www.culturewars.com/CultureWars/Archives/Fidelity_archives/parricide.html

http://www.monarchistcrusade.webs.com/apps/blog/entries/show/5000664-the-horrors-of-the-french-revolution

There's even a movement going on right now that is trying to get recognition that what the French Revolutionaries did to the settlement was genocide. Believe me, there's more sources out there.

And I also read an article that implied that literally 3/4ths of the populace looked back at May 1968 favorably, you know, your country's equivalent of our country's Hippie movement, the one with all the anarchistic/communistic leanings and advocating anti-Vietnam, free love, destroying all old traditions, anti-DeGaulle riots, etc., etc.

Will continue later. Dinner's ready at my end.
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bof
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Mark Twain, "France has no Summers, no winters and no morals."
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he was a hypocri that wrote different things wether he had a english auditorium or not
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People are becoming weary of war, but even more they are becoming weary of being lied to and emotionally manipulated by their elected representatives. People in the main are not geniuses but they do have common sense and pragmatic intelligence; to tell them that they must rain high explosives onto a country that has not attacked them because of a "moral duty" does not add up and they know it.
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It's our "moral duty" to wish both sides, the gassers and the head-choppers, lose.
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When a cheap political hack such as Obama lectures us on our "moral duty" very few listen. Now if those words had come from President Romney there may have been a different response.
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French citizens have little interest in joining Obama against Assad.
Neither do American citizens or British citizens or German citizens or Australian citizens or ... have any interest in helping out head choppers.
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Yeah, they're like some of the characters we propped up during the Cold War. Sure, they're head-choppers - but they're OUR head-choppers.

Except they aren't, as events in Afghanistan should have taught us.
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Who are "they"?
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