The French diplomatic establishment opposed Zionism at the 1919 Peace Conference in Paris and throughout the inter-wars period. It steadily supported Amin el-Husseini, the infamous mufti of Jerusalem who fled to Nazi Germany in 1941 to become a chaplain for Muslim Waffen-SS divisions, and helped him to flee again, this time to Egypt, in 1945, and thus to escape being indicted as a war criminal and an accomplice in genocide against Jews and Christians in Yugoslavia and the USSR.
The French diplomatic establishment never agreed with the pro-Israel line taken by the French Fourth Republic in the late 1940s and 1950s, and was instrumental in convincing Charles de Gaulle, the Fifth Republic’s founder and first president, to engage in a radically anti-Jewish and anti-Israeli “Arab policy” from 1966 on (one year before the Six Days War). It saw to it to iron out the doubts that succeeding presidents might have entertained in that respect — including Nicolas Sarkozy, who was briefed away from supporting Israel the very day he took up office in 2007.
Things are not likely to change under François Hollande, the new socialist president. His prime minister, Jean-Marc Ayrault, has evolved over the years — like most socialists and social-democrats in Europe — from being mildly pro-Israel to being actively pro-Palestinian and pro-Islamic. While he still perfunctorily characterizes “Israel’s security” as an important issue, he twice faulted Israel for resorting to self-defense operations against aggressions: in December 2008 and January 2009, when the Israel Defense Forces retaliated in Gaza against Hamas’ incessant rocket bombings; and in May 2010, when the Israeli Navy hailed the Turkish Mavi Marmara ship during the so called “flotilla incident.” In March 2010, two months ahead of the Mavi Marmara operation, Ayrault — then the mayor of Nantes in western France — suspended a pro-Israel conference that was to be held in that city by Charles Mayer, an international lawyer and the vice-chairman of the France-Israel Alliance, and Muriel Touaty, the director of the Technion University in Haifa.
Laurent Fabius, a former prime minister under François Mitterrand in the 1980s and Hollande’s choice for a foreign minister, has Jewish family roots but was baptized and raised as a Catholic. He seems to have undergone the same pro-Palestinian transition as Ayrault. He made clear that France, under Hollande, was “going to play a more active role in the Israeli-Palestinian peace process,” code for pressuring Israel. It is noteworthy in this respect that he appointed Denis Pietton as his chief of staff. Pietton, who more recently served as the French ambassador to Lebanon, was in the early 2000s the French consul general in Jerusalem. In other terms: he was the man whose job was to wrest Jerusalem, or any part of it, from the Jewish state.
True enough, anti-Israel biases and nonsenses are common staple in most diplomatic services in the world, including the State Department. But in many countries and especially in America, diplomats are still accountable to elected governments, who may take a more sober view of the Near East. In France, governments just do what they are told to do by the diplomats.
No one should be surprised that the French suggest Israel surrender. They have such a fondness for it.
not a sionnist agenda !
Of course. And as soon as a socialist was elected, especially –
The “Green Line”? That ship has sailed, 45 years ago. Those who demand that Israel withdraw to the 1949 armistice lines promote the notion that Israel may be attacked with impunity.
Hard racism of no expectations + need to curry favor with arab world + need to keep in country muslim populations non-restive and voting for the right party + Israel/Jews on receiving end of issue = suspension of morality, consistency and fairness.
To expect anything other is insanity, at this point.
The game has always been rigged, and probably always will be. With increasing economic, military, and demographic strength, and leadership with some scrotal fortitude, Israel may eventually be able to say ‘I’m not playing this game anymore’, and a weakened Europe will have little say, as Israeli business will increasingly look to E. Asia, where the population neither knows much or cares much for hallucinatory, weaponized Arab grievances.
Hang on Israel. The world is going to shit, and your relative strength increases every day.
I saw what you did there. You said, “French”, and, “logical” in the same sentence, without laughing.
I really don’t believe in stereotyping, but the French sure make it difficult to refrain.
Thanks for this one, Mark v……..let’s repeat it here again….
“6. Mark v
I saw what you did there. You said, “French”, and, “logical” in the same sentence, without laughing.”….
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…also, while it’s fun to read her French-sputtering replies here, I urge all readers here not to troll le petit Marie Claude, she’s gotten tiresome.
got a la Tourette syndrome dear?
I’m shocked, shocked, that a “socialist” French gvt would like to see Israel gone. The “Green Line” with NO preconditions! LOL!
as if israel gives a cr*p what the pigeon chested mealy mouthed french “want”. jews are leaving france because of the virulent anti-semitism and the utter lack of french courage in mandating arabs and africans adhere to the most basic civil contracts.
frogs, are plainly disgusting. indeed, had ww2 gone the other way, the french would still be sitting on the laps of nazis, whispering betrayals into the german’s hairy ears. it was the best time the frogs ever had.
Jews aren’t leaving France, proof, one of them was president before, and one of them is PM today, another one is Finance Minister… and still safer in France than in Israel, where you couldn’t provide them jobs !
you’re a bigotted racist, no wonder the French Jews don’t like it by your kind !
Marie,
The unemployment rate in France, officially around 10% is greater than Israel, around 7%.
Sure it is hard to relocate to a new country but Israel offers benefits to Jewish immigrants to help them get started. Still, why would French Jews feel the need for safety at all? I do not feel that way in mid America as a Jew. I did not feel unsafe in Israel either, in fact safer than where I live.
In general I do not think French people are antisemitic and pretty accepting about such things. The problem is that a new demographic is happening which should be of concern. The French government maintains protection as much as it can but on the streets one dare not display open signs in dress or religious wear for fear of attack.
Yep big time players of Jewish origin can still prosper and all that. Something more unsettling is gradually happening though.
I just love it when Marie comes out of the woodwork to defend the French. Israel is getting around 15,000 new French settlers a year and they feel right at home there. She’s under an illusion that the current French Gov’t is not a left wing Moslem coddling crew. France has already stated its intention to meddle in the Middle East, look for the article on the green line.
Hi
thanks for your kindness. We all know what represents a aggressive environment, the islamists aren’t sparing the French too, it sure is more difficult for Jews that wear religious signs. Though I don’t think that the new government will be laxist, it turned Saudi women that wore burqa (and that didn’t want to show their face at the customs desk) back into their plane
http://www.francesoir.fr/actualite/faits-divers/aeroport-de-roissy-des-saoudiennes-refoulees-pour-cause-de-niqab-236615.html
Otherwise I know that Israel helps people that want to immigrate, but just for 6 months, many couldn’t find a job in such a short time, or at least a job that would be equivalent to what they had in France, so, some came back, or took a visa for the new world
T
Oscar
I just love it when Marie comes out of the woodwork to defend the French.
and I love when you’re pointing your nose here
“Israel is getting around 15,000 new French settlers a year and they feel right at home there.”
Not anymore, it might have been true during the last century end of decade, until the year 2003, while Sharon was still alive and that he sent sergent-recruiters in France, who were offering the Paradise to the French Jews, with the disguised policy to repopulate Israel, and France had the 2nd largest Jewish communauty out side Israel
http://www.mafhoum.com/press7/203S25.htm
Our government isn’t perfect, but it still tries to make the Islamists respecting our civil laws.
BTW, ME isn’t new for us, since middle age we protected the Jerusalem sanctuary, and the pilgrins that wanted to get there, a duty that the pope alloted to François 1er first, for preventing France to settle in Brazil and or in Latin America, which he reserved to Spain and Portugal.
Also the french mendate in Syria and Lebanon, the last year Libyan war….
my best souvenir o your wife
The statistics I’ve read state that 26% of the French Jews are considering leaving. 6% are intent on leaving. Leaving means either going to Israel or going to the US for the most part. Translated that means that 36,000 Jews are intent on leaving while another 150,000 are considering it. Many French are going to Israel where they establish themselves by buying an apartment. They continue living in France using their Israeli home as a safe zone in case of trouble. Many more are visiting Israel just to check it out for a possible future. More and more are investing in Israeli housing.
It’s worse than in the 1940′s. This French “Marie Claude” uses Nuremberg criteria to determine who is Jewish.
stoopidity isn’t a unknown quality by your’s
Funny Frenglish.
Today, much of the world considers the Green Line sacred. Before 1967, however, only two countries–Great Britain and Pakistan–recognized it as the boundary between Israel and Jordan. The rest of the world looked upon it as a temporary cease-fire line.
France could have more standing to preach without the 5,000,000 square miles of land they conquered. As with the British, returning sovereignty usually meant installing a friendly dictator, signing one-sided trade agreements, and maintaining a military presence.
France needs to stop the occupation of its colonies overseas first. The French Guiana as a start.
Free Corsica!
Error, Guyane is a French Department (like Corsica too)
Can you tell us what is the statute of lands gained over the former “Palestine”?
They’re under occupation. Set them free.
hmm Guyane had no population but stlers from french origin and or Africans that came with them as “slave” labor force like it was the rule in these times
Corsica, got a referendum a couple of years ago that asks if the Corsicans wanted their autonomy, 90% voted for remaining French citizens, I wonder why ! ah yes, they would miss the french subsidies and diverse social checks !
settlers from french origin
France also occupies New Caledonia and Polynesia. And Martinique too. And so many other territories on the Globe – even Saint Pierre et Miquelon!
It still occupies Saint Denis!
WTF, they don’t complain of our regime, but are happy of our floading money
Well the occupation propaganda always uses such “arguments”.
not by your of course, you’re so perfect
As resistants used to say “Radio Paris ment” (Paris’ collaborating radio lies).
no it ment STFU
What France? This is US policy (executive branch; Congress long ago declared Jerusalem – all of it – the capital of Israel). Look at the official exchange rates at US Dept. of the treasury. There is an Israeli shekel and a Jerususlem shekel. At one time they even published separate exchange rates. Mayor Nir Barkat of Jerusalem may be complete jerk, but I doubt he’s coining money.
http://fms.treas.gov/intn.html#rates
Since Alsace-Lorraine were in dispute between France and Germany in WW1 and WW2 France should return it to Germany to end the dispute. Also they should free Corsica from a very long occupation.
Sorry but alsace Lorraine was allotted to France by the treaty of Wespahalia, whereas quite a few major powers in Europe were involved !
Bismarck only wanted them back for their iron mines, and Hitler annexed them like he annexed most of the European countries
is there any treaty that settled the Isaraeli conquests?
Mandate Palestine, on both sides of the Jordan river, was allotted to the Jewish people by the SDN, of which France was part.
The French foreign and interior ministeries should have a few meetings. For the former there’s some superstition about a green line, for the latter the superstition is about red lines.
In both cases the lines are crossed. I guess pandering to mohammedans makes one color blind.
and though, Fabius is a Jew !
Your FM is definitely not a Jew.
And do spare us your blood libels.
check your facts, Fabius is born in a Jewish family, he might not be a religious one though
No, you check yours.
Laurent Fabius is Catholic.
Still, even if he were Jewish – what’s it got to do with France’s politics and policies?
“Laurent Fabius1 est le fils d’André Fabius (1908-1984)2, antiquaire, d’une famille de religion juive, d’origine ashkénaze, et de Louise Mortimer (1911-2010)” Wikipedia
Pray tell your Frenchness, what’s his father’s religion got to do with your FM politics and policies?
Come on, spell it.
jusT that Jews have not all the same point of view, and this has nothing with Frenchness
And here we see “Marie Clause” has a Jewish problem: why would all Jews have the same opinion? Why would anyone assume such a thing?
Fabius was born in Paris, the son of Louise (née Strasburger-Mortimer; 1911–2010) and André Fabius (1908–1984). His parents were Jewish and converted to Catholicism, and Fabius was raised an assimilated Catholic. wiki
do you really have something to tell?
That your lies have been once more exposed.
my argument are supported by objective sources, while you’re gossiping
Really?
Any reader can see the inversion: it’s you who came up with the irrelevant disinfo regarding your leaders’ Jewishness.
I merely corrected your false assertions, and did ask what presumed Jewishness had to do with French Policies.
tut tut
France is a loser, especially when they elect socialists to run their government and they want Israel to be a pushover as well. Israel should tell
France to shove it where the sun does not shine. The nation in europe, other than England, that is not a pushover is Germany and they are on sound ground
with their economy while the others are a bunch of losers.
brave Germans, if you only knew them !
or may-be this has something to do for your admiration:
“The incredible “Haavara Agreement” between Nazis and Zionists”
http://thecounterpunch.hubpages.com/hub/The-Haavara-Agreement
Obviously, according to “Jew-lover” Marie-Claude who proudly represents France, saving Jews from Nazi claws is morally equivalent to her dear French collaboration with the Nazis, with French government delivering Jews with excessive zeal to Nazi extermination camps.
“Obviously, according to “Jew-lover” Marie-Claude who proudly represents France,
I have nothing against the Jews, but you, yourself, seems to hate the French more than the Muslims
“saving Jews from Nazi claws is morally equivalent to her dear French collaboration with the Nazis, with French government delivering Jews with excessive zeal to Nazi extermination camps.”
except that we managed to save 70% of them, whereas in the other occupied nations only 5% were !
“France was one of the countries controlled by the Germans at the early stages of war, but it had a high level of democratic tradition of Liberte, Fraternity and Egalite. In France about 75000 Jews perished out of a population of 350,000, about 70% survived. Many factors contributed to the relatively high survival rate, the most important factor was the attitude of the silent majority, who made it difficult of the Germans to identify and catch the Jews. Even the local police cooperated only reluctantly with the Germans, Jews were provided with false identification papers, given shelter and moral support. Jews also participated massively in the resistance and at the beginning stages about 33% of the resistance fighters were Jewish.”
http://kimel.net/france.html
Jews fought for France. France did not fight for Jews.
French Jews are French therefore they fought for France, like they fought Germany in trenches during WW1, and that german Jews were fighting France in the opposite camp !
Why do you refer to people with religion, and not their citizenship?
But Marie Calaude didn’t you refer to your FM’s religion in the first place?
And converting him into a Jew too, against his will?
yes, but when it’s opportune you prefer to see him as a french catholic
so match egal !
Not at all: I merely exposed your lie, Judeophobe.
no, you exposed your imbecility
Many a reader will appreciate this Oh so French elegance, subtlety, intelligence, and Humanity of the above reply.
un chat est un chat
too bad for you
“In his thoroughly researched book Betrayal: France, the Arabs and the Jews, David Pryce-Jones made clear that both anti-Jewish prejudice and pro-Arab or pro-Islamic infatuations have run high at Quai d’Orsay, the French Ministry of Foreign Affairs, since the 19th century. Even if France’s actual policies as a colonial power in Arab and Muslim lands were not as generous to the Muslim natives as one would have expected.”
David Pryce-Jones:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Pryce-Jones
quite a reference for neocon french bashers, I’m surprised that Mr Gurfinkiel is endorsing Pryce Jones biased interpretation of historical facts that wrote that POS
“The official position taken toward French Jews goes back to the revolution of 1789. In December of that year, during a debate over granting citizenship to the country’s Jewish minority, Comte de Clermont-Tonnerre, a liberal aristocrat, declared in the Constituent Assembly: “Everything must be refused to the Jews as a nation, and everything granted to the Jews as individuals.” This idea was soon enshrined in law. Behind it lay the suspicion that Jews had their own brand of nationalism, one that cut across the French nationalism emerging from the revolution. To the French elite, moreover, Jews have consistently seemed to be the conspiratorial tools of others, first of Germany and Russia, then of Britain, and finally, in the 20th century, of Zionists.”
-http://www.commentarymagazine.com/article/jews-arabs-and-french-diplomacy-a-special-report/
Unfortunately for him The French gave citizenship to the Jews, the first in Europe, in 1792, Clermont-Tonnerre got shot in 1794 by the Military Justice. Napoleon enrolled Jews in his army, administrations and schools. And the arab world wasn’t in the french minds until the conquest of Algeria, then the Maghreban Jews got the french citizenship there too, while the Algerians had to wait until 1948
Contrarily to “Marie-Claude” David Pryce-Jones is an intellectually honest journalist. He does not recite historical fabrications but bases his articles and books on verifiable facts.
Let me remind the little propagandist “Marie-Claude” that France very generously offered all Algerians French citizenship, against quite a few renouncements. The algerian Jews accepted it, the Mohammedans did not.
“David Pryce-Jones is an intellectually honest journalist. He does not recite historical fabrications but bases his articles and books on verifiable facts.”
yet with his own interpretation, it’s just antifrenchism !
“France very generously offered all Algerians French citizenship, against quite a few renouncements. The algerian Jews accepted it, the Mohammedans did not.”
No, the Mohamedans that would have accepted to participate into the french army conscription, they didn’t, and fled to Syria for quite a lot of them.
Though quite a few Algerian Mohammedans did flee the French colonialism and settled in Palestine, it was not because of Crémieux’s offer and subsequent decree.
It doesn’t seem that our Maghrebin Mahomedans fled to Palestine after WW1, it was when ME was still ruled by the Ottomans
Which is exactly the reason they sought the protective wings of their Moslem brothers.
They were not the only Moslems to find refuge in the area. Libyans, Bosnians, Caucasians, are amongst the “asylum” seekers in the region.
Oh, and that’s long before WW1. Remember when France colonized Algeria?
“to the holiest of all Jewish holy places: the Western Wall.”
Please stop repeating this close, but no cigar phrase.
The holiest place is the temple mount, specifically where the Temple was located (and it’s holiest spot was where the holy of holies/ark of the covenant was placed). According to Jewish tradition this was also the location of the Binding of Isaac and location of Jacob’s dream of the ladder.
This is roughly where the Shrine the Dome of the Rock (that golden dome seen in pictures by the wall) stands. There are walls ALL around the temple mount, the Western is the wall CLOSEST to the location of where the holy of holies once stood.
There is a debate in Judaism whether it is proper to go to where the temple stood in a ritually impure state, so the wall is a clear demarcation of where the ritually impure can go (and that is a state all find themselves without a temple to remedy this).
“The French diplomatic establishment opposed Zionism at the 1919 Peace Conference in Paris and throughout the inter-wars period. It steadily supported Amin el-Husseini, the infamous mufti of Jerusalem who fled to Nazi Germany in 1941 to become a chaplain for Muslim Waffen-SS divisions, and helped him to flee again, this time to Egypt, in 1945, and thus to escape being indicted as a war criminal and an accomplice in genocide against Jews and Christians in Yugoslavia and the USSR.”
BS, this part of the former Ottoman Empire was allotted to Britain, whereas France had nothing to say, we had in Charge Syria. The Brits made all their business behind the curtains and settled their accomplished facts in front of the Nation league.
OK Hussein might have escaped thanks to french complaisance (this was the ME diplomatic game with the Brits that were conspiring for removing the French from Syria), though Ben Gourion was living in Paris after the WW2 years until 1948 too, knowing his skills, he could then have gotten him assassinated there if he had wanted to, the proclamation of the Israel State, which the French helped to realise, with Truman, thing that wasn’t evident during Roosevelt government while the Brits weren’t enclined to accept such a fact too.
“Haj Amin al-Husseini’s Escape
Right after the war ended a group of Palestinian-Arab soldiers in the British
Army who were stationed in Lebanon had staged anti-French demonstrations.
They carried around a large picture of Husseini and declared him to be the
“sword of the faith.” According to one source considered reliable by the rump
American intelligence organization known as the Strategic Services Unit (SSU),
British officials objected to French plans to prosecute Husseini, fearing that this would cause political unrest in Palestine. The British “threatened” the French with Arab uprisings in French Morocco.
In October 1945 Arthur Giles (who used the title Bey), British head of
Palestine’s Criminal Investigation Division, told the assistant American military attaché in Cairo that the Mufti might be the only person who could unite the Palestine Arabs and “cool off the Zionists…. Of course, we can’t do it, but it might not be such a damn bad idea at that.” French intelligence officials, bitter at France’s loss of colonial territory in the Middle East, said they would enjoy having the Mufti around to embarrass the British.
Husseini was well treated in Paris. Meanwhile, Palestinian Arab leaders and various Muslim extremists agitated to bring him back to the Middle East. According to the American military attaché in Cairo, this plan initially embarrassed moderate officials in the Arab League. But as prospects for a peaceful settlement in the British Mandate for Palestine declined and as other Arab prisoners were released or escaped (Gailani escaped), sentiment changed. A delegate of the Palestine Higher Arab Committee went to Paris in June 1946 and told Husseini to get ready for a little trip.
According to another American source in Syria, at a meeting in the Egyptian
Embassy in Paris, the ambassador, the ministers of Syria and Lebanon, and a
few Arab leaders from Morocco and Algeria worked out the details of Husseini’s
escape. The French government learned of, or was informed of, the plan, but
chose not to intervene in order to avoid offending the Arabs of North Africa.
Husseini flew to Syria, then went via Aleppo and Beirut to Alexandria, Egypt.
By 1947 Husseini denied that he had worked for the Axis powers during the
war. He told one acquaintance that he hoped soon to have documentary evidence
rebutting this slander, which the Jews were spreading. Similarly, after Adolf Eichmann was brought to Israel for trial in March 1961, Husseini, by now in Beirut, denied having ever met Eichmann during the war. He said that he had been forced to take refuge in Germany simply because British wanted to capture him. Nazi persecution of Jews had served Zionism, according to Husseini, by exciting world sympathy for them. Husseini never worked for American intelligence; the CIA simply considered him a person worth tracking. He died in Beirut in 1974.
http://www.archives.gov/iwg/reports/hitlers-shadow.pdf
“The French diplomatic establishment never agreed with the pro-Israel line taken by the French Fourth Republic in the late 1940s and 1950s, and was instrumental in convincing Charles de Gaulle, the Fifth Republic’s founder and first president, to engage in a radically anti-Jewish and anti-Israeli “Arab policy” from 1966 on (one year before the Six Days War). It saw to it to iron out the doubts that succeeding presidents might have entertained in that respect — including Nicolas Sarkozy, who was briefed away from supporting Israel the very day he took up office in 2007.”
BS The French sided Israel during the suez Campain, and so until 1967, when de Gaulle decided the arms embargo
De Gaulle explanation here (video):
-http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x4vx39_de-gaulle-israel-guerre-1967-de-gau_news?fbc=104
Revisionist History is a distinctive French feature.
No wonder Garaudy and Faurisson are French.
just objective sources my dear, not propaganda !
As objective as Garaudy? Or as objective as Faurisson?
no, Serge Klarsfeld
Vichy syndrome: “Marie Claude” abusing Jews.
and you, the Goldwin one !
Sorry, my name is not Goldwin. Neither Goldstone.
et en plus, t’es ignare:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law
Oh, you meant Godwin?
Well, between your Frenglish and dyslexia you wrote goldwin.
You’ve just covered yourself with another layer of ridicule.
your brain is too blinkered
Ad hominem won’t get you far.
It does not replace logic and reasoning.
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Title in french: “Groupes de Travailleurs Etrangers” further
G.T.E. Juifs homogènes “Palestiniens” (on 1941, they weren’t named “settlers” as now!)but were: “Groups of Jewish homogeneous Foreign Palestinian Workers” (sic!)
here an excerpt in english:
(GTE)
Pursuant to Article 1 of the Act of September 27, 1940,
on groups of foreign workers, “the foreign male, aged over 18 and under 55 can as long as circumstances require, be assembled in groups of foreigners if they are redundant in if the national economy and, having sought refuge in France, they are unable to return to their country home.
Subject to the regulations, they retain the right to emigrate to a foreign country. ”
The groups are made up of foreigners residing in France, from several nationalities, including Spaniards.
Foreign Jews will also be incorporated. In this case, the GTE
could create a pool where the occupants and Vichy had the opportunity to send them in concentration camps.
The fate of the Jews
On 2 January 1942, the Vichy government decreed that “all
Jews residing throughout the country and who entered France after 1st Jan.1936 will, as appropriate, be grouped into Companies or Foreign Workers in special centers. This is intended not only foreign Jews, but also those who, since arriving in our country, have gained our nationality. ” The measure
relies on the law cited above.
In the free zone, the instructions of January 2, 1942, signed by
the Interior Minister, G. Pucheu, are extremely accurate. The
identifying stakeholders and their families is made under penalty of
tough sanctions. It is expressly stated that “the Israelites referred should not be placed in Companies” diffuse “but in homogeneous groups.” Immediately after, January 10, 1942, Colonel Tavernier, head of the National Service training of foreigners provides guidance for group leaders: “The Palestinians will be supervised groups composed solely of Palestinians. These groups are either existing or to be created.
As you see, during WWII, France recognized their Israelites as homogeneous palestinian groups and now, having had for some to came back to their own country accuse them to be undesirable “settlers” !!
Maybe France should restore independence to Brittany and recognize the “green line” border that existed between France and Brittany prior to 1532 – the year France forcibly “annexed” Brittany. Hey, what’s good for Isreal’s goose is good for France’s gander.
don’t worry, that’s Brussels and Germany’s agenda, they do prefer regions to states, easier to monitor !
I sent you the story translated in english of the Jewish Groups of Foreign homogeneous palestinians workers, story which you will find in french on
Groupes de travailleurs étrangers.
he delicate subject of the internment camps under the French Administration during the Second World War, of which the general public has been unaware for a long time, has come to light during the last few years.
What were the circumstances which led the French Government to create internment camps?
After the rise of Adolf HITLER to power, thousands of Germans and Austrians hostile to Nazism – two thirds of whom were Jews – took refuge in France. This population was subjected “to a permanent special monitoring in the interest of public order or safety” as wrote “LE MATIN” on February 23, 1939.
It should be specified that in France at that time a true psychosis of the “5th column” reigned. The signing of the Germano-Soviet Pact on August 23, 1939, led to further fears, that German Communists sheltering in our country would support their French counterparts who had recently found themselves outside the law.
http://www.apra.asso.fr/Camps/En/Rappel-Histo.html
-http://www.fondationshoah.org/FMS/DocPdf/Coinchercheurs/GAIDA.pdf
“La crise économique des années 1930 est particulièrement grave parce que
effondrement économique coïncida avec installation un grand nombre de
réfugiés étrangers La réaction de la France cette époque est tout fait sin
gulière et ce pour deux raisons Premièrement hospitalité républicaine
était montrée plus généreuse aux tats-Unis autre patrie de la citoyen
neté par contrat Fidèle au point de vue majoritaire une citoyenneté acces
sible tous et la même pour chacun et fidèle aussi ses intérêts économiques
et militaires) la France devint proportionnellement la plus grande terre
asile du monde dans les années 1930 cette date elle comptait 515 étran
gers pour 100 000 habitants contre 492 pour les tats-Unis7 la veille de la
seconde guerre mondiale la France était notamment le pays Europe occi
dentale qui abritait la plus grande population juive environ 350 000
En revanche et est là le deuxième point le contre-courant suscité par cet
afflux étrangers en fut autant plus puissant Il est pas surprenant que la
masse des immigrants et demandeurs asile des années 1930 ait provoqué
une réaction particulièrement violente en France il en allait de même
partout ailleurs Cette époque correspond une montée de antisémitisme
partout dans le monde et si les tats-Unis et la Grande-Bretagne hésitèrent
ouvrir plus largement leurs portes aux réfugiés de la fin des années 1930 est
que leur population était pas disposée recevoir davantage de Juifs8 Les
partisans de la francité par enracinement estimant la civilisation fran aise
assiégée rendirent la République sa politique laxiste immigration et ses
lois de naturalisation responsables des maux dont souffrait la France la
veille de la seconde guerre mondiale la nature de la citoyenneté en France
était devenue un problème qui mettait tout le régime en jeu”
-http://www.persee.fr/web/revues/home/prescript/article/ahess_0395-2649_1993_num_48_3_279156
Hmmm, draw back to the Green Line? Of course the Israelis would be perfectly safe then I mean isn’t the Green Line the same thing as the Maginot Line? Of course they would be safe, look how that turned out for the French.
The Maginot line was the blue line
Actually, the Maginot line was effective, the Germans turn towards Belgium for avoiding it !
But no need to build such Defences now, Israel has the anti-missiles shields
Yes Israel builds the best antimissile systems in hopes that the percent of missiles that get through will not result in total destruction. I hope you do need to deal with such choices.
Those resources come at expense to other needed defenses. All of this nonsense comes because of such political diplomatic garbage as the French government maintains now. The green line does not exist in any realistiic way at this point. This sustains the Palestinian rejection of any negotiated border.
And thank you for the nuclear reactor. That was good.
it’s not specifically french policy, but the UN’s, the EU’s, Germany’s… in this concert one can’t make a distinctive policy without being isolated like a rebel country
The French could not develop their nuclear tech (and some other technologies) at the time without Israeli know-how.
It’s the contrary my dear, we got it from the Brits with the authorisation of the US, and we helped you to build yours, but one of your agents stole some files from the US
I see you’re fond of libeling Jews.
Better search the names of the Weizmann institute physical scientists working in France who made De Gaulle very angry at the time.
liebling the Jews? niet, I respond to your post, still it’s not forbidden in the US
I might not have all the details, on Dinoma, I was remembering a book “the secret story of Mossad” by Gordon Thomas
“For reactor design and construction, Israel sought the assistance of France. Nuclear cooperation between the two nations dates back as far as early 1950′s, when construction began on France’s 40MWt heavy water reactor and a chemical reprocessing plant at Marcoule. France was a natural partner for Israel and both governments saw an independent nuclear option as a means by which they could maintain a degree of autonomy in the bipolar environment of the cold war.”
“Trouble arose in May 1960, when France began to pressure Israel to make the project public and to submit to international inspections of the site, threatening to withhold the reactor fuel unless they did. President de Gaulle was concerned that the inevitable scandal following any revelations about French assistance with the project, especially the chemical reprocessing plant, would have negative repercussions for France’s international position, already on shaky ground because of its war in Algeria.”
http://www.fas.org/nuke/guide/israel/nuke/
Indeed, you have a very little part of the story.
c’est un secret tellement bien gardé, wouarf
Yea look how well the French are doing with the muslims in France.
Apparently better than by yourself’s
How INTERESTING all the posters are. How intelligent sounding. How irrelevent most of this all is. Especially, all the very inconsistant and pointless pontification of Marie Claude! And why?
1. Jews in general and in Israel particular now call our own destiny. We are in control of things Jewish and Judaic. We simply do not care what anyone else things about what Jews need to be doing.
2. The fact that so much hot and worthless air is spouted out by french, most europeans, and muslims about Jews, to us Jews, merely demonstrates the broad and severe sickness entitled JewHatred, a contageous behavioral disturbance of non-Jews, with elements of Tourette’s Disease (wherein the sufferers vomit out uncontrollably anti-Jewish epithets, lies, hateful slogans, unsupportable propagandistic nausea)
3. The fact is Jews do not care what the french think about the Jews. Since the establishment of the sovereign State of Israel, Jews worldwide don’t care what this, that, or any other country insists about Israel. We fundamentally just smile, laugh, and do what we please.
4. And that, in and of itself, has just got to make you JewHaters want to eat your rotting entrails and stinking guts out, eh? Too bad for you. In a short phrase; GAME OVER, JewHaters!
How INTERESTING all the posters are. How intelligent sounding. How irrelevent most of this all is. Especially, all the very inconsistant and pointless pontification of Marie Claude! And why?
Of couse, I’m not adding in the antifrench concert, too bad if you don’t see my point.
“We simply do not care what anyone else things about what Jews need to be doing”.
good, so do we
2. propaganda, you see Jew haters everywhere, could we return the compliment, we see French haters especially on PJM
3. The fact is Jews do not care what the french think about the Jews. Since the establishment of the sovereign State of Israel
Good say than you France helped in the creation of Israel state, remember, we sheltered “Exodus” when the Brits were rejecting it
4. GAME OVER, JewHaters! Nice you could manage it
I am glad France likes Arabs/Palestinians/whatever. I wish them all the Arabs (whatever) they ever could desire, coming to live with them.
Which makes me wonder: how’s that going for you, France?
Actually you have them all for you
enjoy
I suppose you’ve said something here, but darned if I can figure what.
use your brain
Caution: repeating my ad hominem sentiment here:
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…also, while it’s fun to read her French-sputtering replies here, I urge all readers here not to troll le petit Marie Claude, she’s gotten tiresome.”
hmm tell me again, what’s your contribuation?
Don’t you find her Frenglish too funny?
France has an opinion about the Middle East? Aside from their undeserved permanent seat at the UNSC, is there any other reason to care? As Napoleon would say, Has France an army?
of course, and NATO is awarding our ship Jean Bart
“Cet engagement intense n’est pas passé inaperçu, notamment puisque, sur proposition du NATO Electronic Warfare Advisory Committee (NEWAC), la frégate Jean Bart a reçu le prix de l’Association Old Crows (AOC), qui distingue chaque année une unité de l’Otan ayant particulièrement montré ses capacités en matière de guerre électronique, notamment en permettant de « connaître les intentions des forces khadafistes » et de « contrer des actions agressives ».
http://www.opex360.com/2012/06/12/la-fregate-jean-bart-recompensee-pour-ses-actions-de-guerre-electronique-au-large-de-la-libye/
but yourself deserves le poteau d’exécution
Even more interesting, though many French persons claim their right to criticize Israel’s politics (whether it’s what they actually do or express their Judeophobia), it seems that criticizing French politics in Verboten – for those same persons.
Double standards anyone?
what a bad faith !
check the number of articles on France in your medias and on the Brit medias, several each days, and how much in our medias on Israel, the US, and or Britain…. a couple, each year !
Really?
I do consult French media, and I find articles “criticizing” Israel on a daily basis. Isn’t it one of your “intellectuals” Pascal Boniface who even wrote a book titled “Is it permissible to criticize Israel?” complaining that his and his band’s “criticism” was criticized?
in your dream, you’re too paranoiac
I’m sorry, Pascal Boniface did publish a book titled “Is it allowed to criticize Israel?” Whining against critics of his phoney criticism.
http://www.amazon.fr/permis-critiquer-Isra%C3%ABl-Pascal-Boniface/dp/2221099699
It’s hard to argue agains facts.
““Is it allowed to criticize Israel?” Whining against critics of his phoney criticism.”
so what? IS IT ALLOWED TO CRITICIZE ISRAEL wihtout being taxed for antisemitism?
When criticism is a code-word for bashing, don’t complain when you’re served back your own stinky dishes.
FYI, denying Jews their rights because of their Jewishness is a conspicuous feature of anti-Semitism.
BS, talk for yourself
The French Jews are FRENCH CITIZEN and are protected by our constitution, our police makes a bigger deal for protecting them against islamist aggressions more than any of us.
Full rights citizens – the French Jews have the right to get beaten, insulted, murdered.
In all Equality, Liberty and Fraternity.
our police makes a bigger deal for protecting them against islamist aggressions more than any of us.
Note “our” “them” “us” : who do you think you’re fooling? You are clearly discriminating Jews. Aren’t they as French as you?
As for Israeli Jews, too many French chattering classes don’t even bother to hide their aversion. And the author demonstrates that it’s official French policy.
you’re a bullshitter first class,
The french Jews aren’t the only victims of islamists, and they don’t play the victim card that you want to hold for them, while living abroad
MIND YOUR OWN BUSINESS !
Why would French Jews play cards or anything else? They are attacked, that’s no game.
As long as France meddles in Israeli affairs – what business is there for the Republic that pretends and fails to protect Human Rights on its own soil? – nobody and least of all a Judeophobic “image of France” has any right to tell me or anyone to mind this or that.
Here we see “the image of France” trying to look democratic by silencing legitimate criticism.
“It is, however, very difficult not to believe that such behavior is part of a broader, deliberate policy.”
Well, duh.
Haven’t you read Eurabia??
The hell with France! It’s the last country in the world to dictate anything to Israel. There’s an expression here that says: “Chilli peppers in someone else’s anus(to be polite) is a refreshing drink”. France is trying to apply this!
Explode France together with Iran…..
For the Booorrrrrrrriiiiiinnggggggg Marie Claude:
Go read my post again, dear,
It concludes: Game Over, JewHaters.
That includes Marie Claude.
Also, this oddity which calls itself Marie Claude is evidently not a real person; just a piece of software behaving on triggering as a kind of cyber jack-in-the-box. Just keeps on responding with frenglish gibberish no matter what anybody posts. Rather a hoot!
Oh, and when we Jews say to Jewhaters (includes the faded frog nation)that we care not what the frogs think about Jews, we mean that. Or any other JewHaters.
It must really hurt you JewHaters to know that about us Jews. All I can offer is this: That we command our destiny must make you JewHaters just want to eat your rotting entrails and stinking guts out, eh?
cry me a river
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=425165480839661&set=a.250335824989295.62131.125249070831305&type=1&theater
Judiciously, “Pierre Laval” was writing:
26. Pierre Laval
France has an opinion about the Middle East? Aside from their undeserved permanent seat at the UNSC, is there any other reason to care?
Read the perfect pamphlet “10 Reasons to Abolish the UN” by David Greenfield, in David Horowitz Freedom Center, http://www.frontpagemag.com
I will just copy 4 lines of page 5 in connection with your title
“France Wants Israel to Recognize ‘Green Line’ — Yet France Does Not”
…”The United States and the United Nations are both democracies. While the United States of America is a republic of free citizens, the United Nations is a democracy of tyrants.”
For that reason, Jews are useful scapegoats.
“undeserved permanent seat at the UNSC”
escuse me, but the permanent seat was attribuated to UK and France, because the both countries had officially decleared that they have nuclear arms, sorry for Israel, officially It still not has the nuclear arm, I wonder why !
PJM seems to be not printing any of retorts to Marie Claude, the woman who fancies herself the New Joan or Arc. That aside, according to my research 26% of France’s Jews are considering leaving the country. That is 166,000, out of 600,000, Jews have indicated an interest to leave the country. Another 6% have indicated that they absolutely want to leave the country or another 36,000. French Jews opt for one of two countries, Israel or the USA.
http://www.jewishfederations.org/page.aspx?id=41975
Now a comment about Marie Claude. She comes out of the woodwork every time there is an article involving the French. She seems to be well armed with all kinds of references to back up her points. That is too many references. So many in fact that it would be impossible to read them all yet refer right back to each particular reference just on an instance. Her writing style seems to come in four different types. One type is perfect English, with spelling and grammar absolutely correct, The second type is full of bad grammar and spelling. The third type is absolutely direct word for word translation such as most computers have today which can be seen by inaccurate use of words, however good spelling and syntax. The forth is purely French. In my point of view what she is is a conglomeration of multiple views and or people. She seems to stem right out of the France’s propaganda ministry always painting black to white. My point is that there are other motives other than her love for the Jews. With all the Jew bashing going on in France, it would be easy to create a boycott of France and everything French. With their eggshell economy, it would be an easy omlette to make, just a few million here and a few million there.
By the way, Angela Merkel in her recent trip to France was stopped by French customs. First she was asked her name which she replied, “Angela Merkel.” When asked occupation, she answered, “No just a short visit.”
Dear Oscar,
I’m one person, and too bad for you if I interven on a thread that is trashing France for bad reasons, and I notice that there’s more hate from your side than from our side, none is trashing the Jews here, except the usual suspects, and they are numerised. It seems that only your sort of intolerant farightists, that have the right to insult countries that don’t buy into your AIPAC agenda, in the long term, this behaviour will not help the nice Israeli people that don’t care of your orthodoxy.
you seems to love stats, I recommand you the PEW and ADL survey, you’ll see that the French are the lesser antisemit with the Brits in Europe, in spite of having a big muslim communauty.
Asking for a boycott of our products will not help your country at the end, remember we represent 65 millions persons, while Israel, 10 millions? Israel products would likely and advantageously be replaced by spanish, maroccan, turkish… products
oh BTW your sentence with Merkel is so subtle
I used to know you with more humor and less bigottery
Andy,
“Marie Claude” whoever or whatever it might be, pretends to stand for France’s image.
You get a picture of a hardly articulate, aggressive, Judeophobic, using unreliable information sources, Manichaean, far from nuanced, and lacking elementary knowledge as well as politeness folk. Some might attribute these features to growing Mohammedan influence.
I think there are still some decent persons in that country – the author of this article, for example. But as “Marie Claude” demonstrates, France is on the de-judeising fast track. Too bad for the French.
Talk about reverse psychology, you’re a Goebbels child, repeat ten times a lie and it will look true, hmm wasn’t this doctrine advocated in the Neocon Bible too? The end justifies the means, blah blah blah…It seems to remember having read that by aspostles like Kritol
QED.
Fortunately, France is a paper tiger that has no influence outside of Europe. Frankly, I don’t think it has influence beyond its own borders! Israel surely will not be intimidated by Hollande’s antics!
if France ever had the intention to intimidate Israel. You’re obfuscating yourself ! Look for your real enemis elsewhere, by dint of crying wolf when you see a pet dog, you might not get help when the wolves will be around
spot the French war vet. Yes, that’s right. The one with his arm pits sunburned. By the way, thank them for Viet Nam.
This is the country that spond that diplomat who referred to Isreal as that Shi**y little country .and this from a country that prepares for war by practicing how to surrender . “all together one .. Hands up… Baby ,hands up” what a bunch of idiotes
Stupid cheese and frogs legs eating surrender monkeys do not understand that the green line on the map made by the one eyed man-whore with his communist daughter’s green magic marker was only a CEASE FIRE line not a border. Aside from the fact that the Levy Commission has proved that Judea and Samaria are Jewish from Time Immemorial. A ceasefire (or truce) is a temporary stoppage of a war in which each side agrees with the other to suspend aggressive actions. Ceasefires may be declared as part of a formal treaty, but they have also been called as part of an informal understanding between opposing forces. It is NOT a border