France Waking Up to Its Anti-Semitism?
There is something intriguing about François Hollande, the socialist president of France. Many of his policies boil down to sheer liberal mantras in the style of Paul Krugman or the New York Review of Books. He indulges in overtaxation, big government, inflated social programs, and such cultural demagoguery as compulsory gender parity, gay marriage, and electoral franchise for resident aliens. On the other hand, he departs sharply from the left-wing agenda on some issues.
He seems to be serious about abiding by the EU free market rules, submitting to the euro’s deflationary discipline, cutting the national debt, and balancing the budget. And he is expressing, along with his Minister of the Interior Manuel Valls, genuine sympathy and concern for the French Jews — and Israel.
On June 30, barely three weeks after Hollande’s election, the French President’s Office devoted a dignified obituary to Yitzhak Shamir, who had just passed away in Jerusalem, calling him a “builder of the state of Israel” and a “courageous man.” The French Left used to describe the late Israeli prime minister as a “former terrorist” and a “fascist.”
Then, on July 22, Hollande boldly linked current anti-Semitic violence in France, including the murder earlier this year of three Jewish children and one Jewish teacher in Toulouse, to the Holocaust. For over half a century, successive French administrations, both Right and Left, had been reluctant to acknowledge the role played under the German occupation by the Vichy regime apparatus and a subservient French police in the round-up of Jews and their subsequent transfer to Auschwitz. François Mitterrand, a socialist president from 1981 to 1995, had been particularly nervous about it, if only because of his close personal ties to René Bousquet, who had supervised the major Paris round-up in 1942 as the secretary general of the Vichy police. It was Jacques Chirac, his conservative successor, who first took full responsibility for these matters in 1995 in the name of the French nation. But at the same time, he held on to the anti-Israeli and pro-Arab policy inherited from Charles de Gaulle, as if France’s partial complicity in the Holocaust did not entail at least some understanding for the Jewish state’s travails.
What made Hollande’s statement on July 22 quite remarkable was not that he reiterated France’s responsibility — “The crime committed in France and by France” — and its duty to fight anti-Semitism and racism at large (as liberals in France and abroad, and the New York Review of Books, understood it), but rather that he described the Toulouse massacre as an eerie return to Holocaust times. Indeed, Toulouse’s Islamist killer, Mohamed Merah, had been trained to kill, and to kill Jews, just like SS men had been seventy years ago. The placards and banners at Islamist demonstrations all over Europe routinely warning of a coming “real Holocaust” were from now on to be taken literally, just like the ubiquitous Arabic slogan Itbah al-Yahud (“slaughter the Jews!”). And Hollande, while owing his own election in a large measure to the growing and increasingly assertive Muslim vote, was prepared to do so.
But Hollande went even further. On October 31, he welcomed Benjamin Netanyahu, the conservative prime minister of Israel, on a “working visit” to Paris. They had lunch at the Elysée Palace. The following day, All Saints Day, the two men went to Toulouse and attended a memorial ceremony dedicated to Merah’s Jewish and non-Jewish victims (the Islamist terrorist had also killed, presumably as “traitors” to jihad, three soldiers of North African or Caribbean origin in Montauban). French and Israeli flags were displayed. While Netanyahu had called on French Jews to come to Israel, Hollande insisted that French Jews’ security was “a national cause.”
Never understood why religious Jews feel any affinity to France, given the massive anti-semitism there for so long, and not just from the growing Muslim population. May be too late for many.
American leftist Jews have had a love affair with all things French for as long as I can remember, which is not surprising, given the secular and socialist history there.
Jews are in their traditional role of the canary in the coal mine when it comes to the decay of a country. If what you say is true and they flee in significant numbers, it may signal the end for France. Buh-bye.
“given the massive anti-semitism there for so long, and not just from the growing Muslim population.”
in ME there’sn’t such massive anti-semitism?
The French Jews, for most of them, aren’t such religious fanatics, they have inherited their elitist position from our revolutionnaires, who promoted rather integration and brotherhood
unlike the bigots !
In Israel, Jews are definitely safer than in France.
The Danascus blood libel was started with the agreement, and perhaps instigation, of the French counsel. The Nazis were pleasently surprised in how easily the French in Vichy cooperated in the Holocaust. Should we mention the Jewish boy who was (relatively recently) tortured to death over the period of several week by a Moslem neighborhood, and France did almost nothing?
We know plenty of French Jews here in Haifa, who arrived in France from Northern Africa and realized that the anti-semitism was following them.
There have been calls for the West to grant religious refugee status to French Jews. It’s about time.
The Nazis were pleasently surprised in how easily the French in Vichy cooperated in the Holocaust.
pleasently? they who gave the orders, ever heard of Eichman?
“Should we mention the Jewish boy who was (relatively recently)
tortured to death over the period of several week by a Moslem neighborhood, and France did almost nothing?”
France captured the authors.
Sure that that’s only happening in France, the other countries are safe, what a BS, only France comes into your books, for good reasons, France isn’t at your orders, you’re insulting France because she doesn’t buy into your policies
If the French were as much touchy on what you say on her, our lawers could make good money !
At the start of the French revolution, the Jewsih religion was practically outlawed. They only changed afterwards.
while it was outlawed much longer in the other european countries
Why have Jews worked so assiduously and vehemently to flood White Christian Nations WITH Muslims? Why are Jews complaining about the results of their own actions?
Jews? What Jews? Leftist who have either never stepped foot in a Synagogue or stopped when they turned 13? Their religion is leftism.
You mention cultural Marxism, which was created to destroy Christianity and Judaism. No surprise, since Marx himself called for the the end of Judaism and Jewishness. Go read “On the Jewish Question.”
Stop proving that antisemitism is the conservatism (and liberalism) of fools. Go do some basic research.
Sorry but you seem to be the one needing to do basic research or at the very least to fight your knee-jerk reaction to anything that may be viewed as a criticism of jews.
Those jews of yours that never set foot in a synagogue, who do they marry? do they ever become christian? do they stop being recognised as jews by their fellow jews? do they ever loose the protection of the jewish community?
You know the answers to those questions.
And you know that without jewish brain-power cultural marxism would not have spread the way it did. And you know jews have massively supported the deliberate invasion of unassimilable aliens into both Europe and the US in order to weaken if not destroy both. France and its people never agreed to that invasion.
Besides, the title of this article itself proves the author to be either a manipulator or a fool, talking as he does of France and ITS anti-semitism. The events prompting the article have basically nothing to do with France but with those very same aliens!
that’s the irony
Why does “Anti-Semitism” ALWAYS seem to follow Jews, where-ever they go? Country after country, century after century? Any thoughts?
Why have Jews worked SO HARD to bring Muslims IN to formerly White Christian Nations?
Jews, via Cultural Marxism, have been at the FORFRONT of Open Borders. Why?
Old Polish saying, ” A Jews cries out in pain when he strikes you”.
” three soldiers of North African or Caribbean origin in Montauban). French and Israeli flags were displayed. While Netanyahu had called on French Jews to come to Israel, Hollande insisted that French Jews’ security was “a national cause.”
the three soldiers were French, one was a Harki’s son, and his comrad, both of muslim obediance, the last one was catholic, the Caribean
http://www.opex360.com/2012/03/21/un-hommage-national-a-ete-rendu-aux-militaires-assassines/
Merah was attacking the symbol of France, her army, that is involved in Afghanistan
“Mohamed Merah, had been trained to kill, and to kill Jews”, not only, but whoever is involved in Muslims conflicts. Besides his training was made in Pakistan.
Benjamin Netanyahu hijacked the religious celebration for his political agenda
“Selon les termes du président français, rapportés par le Canard Enchaîné puis confirmés par l’AFP, Benjamin Netanyahu aurait transformé cet hommage aux quatre victimes froidement abattu par Mohamed Merah en un meeting politique.
Benjamin Netanyahu « n’a pas été correct, » aurait estimé le chef de l’Etat.
« Comme j’étais là, il a un peu resserré son discours mais ce n’était pas bien de transformer cette cérémonie en meeting électoral, » aurait ajouté François Hollande.
Le Premier ministre israélien est actuellement en campagne pour des élections législatives anticipées qui devraient se dérouler le 22 janvier prochain.
Marie Clown, if you choose to believe hoaxes, it’s your affair. But spreading them is different. The Elysée denied the rumor cooked at the Quai d’Orsay by its notorious Arab street. Hollande never expressed dissatisfaction with Bibi.
I’m happy for Hollande and France because if he truly believes in what he’s doing – blessing Israel – then France will receive blessings also because THAT is the promise of God. Israel is forever.
that has nothing to do with the quai d’Orsay, it’s facts
No, it’s a hoax.
Stop spreading lies.
you are the hoax
Reminder:
3. Disagree, but avoid ad hominem attacks.
Is that clear enough?
I suggest you read this:
http://www.dreuz.info/2012/11/scoop-dreuz-les-critiques-de-hollande-contre-netanyahu-repetees-par-le-canard-ont-ete-inventees-par-le-quai-dorsay/
glad that this paper is supporting Hollande, at least
with friends like Hollande and Obama, who needs enemies. Now that american liberals have re-elected the moron in chief and chief anit semite, there is no telling what types of outrage await the Jews in the future. Sadly we are returning to the pre holocaust mindset with the same actors emerging and the same appeasers waving the white flags. Make no mistake that another war is coming and it will not be pretty.
The EDL is the real problem, dont ya know!
about Hollande discourse of July 22:
“French-Israeli historian Alain Michel points out seven errors committed by the president in his July 22 speech (Hollande’s words are in red):
http://galliawatch.blogspot.co.il/2012/07/ambiguous-history-forced-repentance.html#links
-http://www.herodote.net/Rafle_du_Vel_d_Hiv_les_sept_erreurs_de_Francois_Hollande-article-1357.php
Say, Hollande is in his “appeasing policy”, he did the same for the Algerians
“François Hollande a officiellement reconnu mercredi au nom de la République la « sanglante répression » des manifestations d’Algériens le 17 octobre 1961 à Paris. C’est la première fois que ce massacre est reconnu comme tel par un chef de l’État Français.”
-http://www.rmc.fr/editorial/310530/hollande-reconnait-au-nom-de-la-republique-le-massacre-du-17-octobre-1961/
As long as Socialism, the ideology of envy and control, is in existent, Jews and we all will be in danger.
Unfortunately, in many cases in Europe, the Right is no better, and sometimes worse.
The Right in Europe is a mislabel and misnomer. They are not at all right but an extreme left (right to Communism but still left of the spectrum). I have read a very apt comment somewhere that Socialism is nothing but communism in slow motion. Europe does not have a history nor know anything how it is to be right. Many European racists are socialists in nature. Hitler was leader of Socialist Labor Movement Party. They promoted envy in gaining the support of the masses, and promoted him as a charismatic Messiah (which had him gained a big following and support even from US academia and Hollywood at that time); just like how Obama divides the country right now and how he ran his campaign. In a way, Obama and his campaign exactly follow the strategies and tactics on how past dictators got such a large following. He learned well from Alinsky, Frank Davis, Jeremiah Wright, and Bill Ayers.
“French Jews (who have moved very much to the Right over the past thirty years) ”
Really?
DSK? a lefty, Moscovici? a lefty, Attali? a lefty, Fabius? a lefty, BHL? a lefty… Glucksmann from maoist has become far-rightist…
“That most Jews in France feel utterly insecure by now and that many consider leaving for another country is an open secret.”, yes but not those that are “laic” and well integrated in our society since the Revolution. It is more the case for those that came from the Maghreb, who are more practicing their belief.
Vals is also pursuing the Roms gangs and illegal occupation of french cities. I agree with you that he is the man that will not let insecurity overwhelming our country. He seems the more responsible person of Hollande government, he is much more effective than Sarkozy for the same policies.
So it’s OK to kill Jews, as long as they are religious? Or are from northern Africa?
So you’re an anti-semite AND a racist?
n’importe quoi
French Jews, especially young ones, have been leaving France in the past decade.
It’s not massive, but quite significant.
Many of those who have not (cannot) moved, own apartments in Israel “just in case”.
France is not a good place for Jews (again) now, suffice it to see the current MSM coverage of the Gaza operation, hardly even presenting the Israeli angle for some apparent even-handedness.
OTOH, more and more French people come to realize that “after Saturday comes Sunday”.
since you caimed that French Jews are massively living France, I wonder why there still some that didn’t leave in masse, so far our Jewish community is stable
oh and the Gaza fightings will not encourage them to join Israel, where security isn’t a daily life
uh sorry, typo
claim
leaving, not living
The Jewish community in France is dwindling. But I explicitly wrote Jews were not leaving en mass. It’s not Exodus. Yet.
dream
How about learning how to read, Marie Clown?
I would expect nothing less from a rude, extremely rude French person. As I like to call the French “Cheese-eating Surrender Monkeys”.
Elaine,
Marie Clown represents some French, definitely not all of them.
There still are decent, civilized persons in France (see for example, the author).
poor Elaine, popcorns ain’t good to feed your brain, it gets only fatter
“There still are decent, civilized persons in France (see for example, the author).
LMAO, because he is adding into your basket, though he is minoritaire among his correligionnaires to bash the French
Let me posit another theory… the Jews are merely a symptom, they’re the proverbial “canaries in the coal mine”. As you say, Hollande “indulges in overtaxation, big government, inflated social programs, and such cultural demagoguery as compulsory gender parity, gay marriage, and electoral franchise for resident aliens” so anybody with any gumption would flee if they could. Jews are relatively few in France so it’s easy to see them leave and it’s much easier to say “it’s Antisemitism” than “the entirety of our Governmental policy is an utter failure”. I’ll also point out that in the Marxist lexicon “the rich” has always been a synonym for “Jew” so Jews have two reasons for leaving – the inherent Antisemitism of Marxism and the economic devastation that Marxism leaves in its wake. My point is that the Antisemitism has always been there, the Jews see the tipping point and are fleeing the pending economic devastation.
Those who flee the economic devastation are not only Jews. It’s mainly youth (of all confessions) seeking better opportunities elsewhere.
Jews have been leaving France in larger numbers for the past decade or so, in order to offer their children a better and more secure future, not only economically but physically (avoid being attacked).
don’t believe the raven, there’s not such a “leaving” in mass , for economical reasons and for religious reasons
check The Economist”, it is but happy that Hollande adopted the Gallois points
http://www.economist.com/blogs/charlemagne/2012/11/fran%C3%A7ois-hollande
The Jews in France are out-numbered by Muslims by more than 10 to 1. (In Europe overall, the ratio is over 20 to 1.) So they face a difficult future. There are growing numbers of French Jews in Israel – particularly in Netanya and Ashdod – but so far they number in the low thousands. In some cases, the family lives in Israel while the family breadwinner still works in France – commuting to his new home on the weekends. But the numbers will grow.
Some forget that France under De Gaulle in 1967 imposed a weapons embargo on Israel. (They, not the US, were then Israel’s main supplier.) France subsequently elected, in the aftermath of the 1973 Yom Kippur War, to align with the Arab World, and they dragged much of Europe along with them. Now they are paying the price.
Commuters are called “Jet Aliya”, and not all French Jews choose Israel: they’ve been warmly greeted in “elderly” communities such as Montreal, Ca. and Miami, Fl.
what is your point?
Israel is not the only destination for a new life.
That not all Jews choose to immigrate to Israel.
(I hope this time my comment passes)
Raymond
1967 is such far away now. De Gaulle had in mind the future of France economy, Israel population and arms needs were too small to make us a living, especially when we just resigned our last colonies, while the arab world represented a potential of hundreds million people, that need to eat, to get clothe, and daily items, not necessary arms. Any realist country could make the maths. Besides our trades with Israel didn’t stop, except for the arms, find me a country that only trade with Israel but not with the arab countries? the US would be the worst exemple then !
France lost a lot from the Embargo till the last few years. Israel is not only a market, it’s also an excellent showcase for the performance on the ground (or in the air) of the arms, giving potential buyers a fair idea of the arms capacity. Furthermore, Israelis always introduce technological innovations and modifications to the materials acquired, improving their performance.
By halting cooperation with Israel, and for so long, France got behind.
It also contributed to Israel independently developing her own arms.
In recent years, the French realized they could gain a lot and renewed cooperation in some degrees.
glad that Israel could develop its arms after 1967, then that was a chance that de Gaulle halted the arms trading, it enabled Israel to not depend on external supplies
But loosing the Israel arms Market didn’t affect our lives, nor our resarches in arms, so far they are very competitive with the best ones on the markets
1967 is such far away now. Marie obviously you do not have a good grasp of English. And for your information, 1967 isn’t that long ago. You must have memory deficiency. You obviously have a deficiency of intelligence. French people aren’t that smart, they don’t bathe regularly and besides they are the rudest country on earth. So put that in your pipe and smoke it. Maron
Agreed, 1967 isn’t that long ago, being the year my older brother graduated from high school. And, though I may disagree with Marie Claude on occasion (or more), in the many times I have been in France for both pleasure and business, the French have always treated me wonderfully, have been delightful company, and have never been any more (or less) rude than any other nationality. Fortunately, I speak French, but for anyone a little French will go a long way in introducing you to a wonderful people and culture. Just always say “bonjour” first, and then learn to say in French, “Pardon me sir/madame, but my French is very poor. Would you be willing to speak English with me?” Learn just that one sentence and it will open doors like you wouldn’t believe.
And the next time you want to accuse someone else of being rude, you may want to lay off the worn out (and false) accusations about personal hygiene.
Ive been repeatedly treated like dirt by French Nationals.
Still I dont wish to see them overrun by Muslims, though it is probably what they deserve.
EscapeVelocity
reading your comment I just can bet that you deserve the French contempt, next time go to Mexico
Here is an interesting documentary featuring and Israeli journalist whom speaks Arabic fluently, infiltrating Muslim no go areas in Europe.
Im not sure if Part 4 is translated and up yet, but here is a link to part 3 which contains links to Parts 1 and 2.
http://gatesofvienna.blogspot.com/2012/11/europes-takeover-by-islam-part-3.html
oh a intelligent mind, do you feed it with pop corn? you know that fat that furnishes your brain !
Intriguing? If you consider the suicidal Jewish support of Marxist-fascist government intriguing, Hollande is intriguing.
C’mon, Marie,
You’ve defended the French nation to me about how the miserable way the French (even still) treat the Bretons. You passionately defend France now about the Jews.
But the handwriting is on the wall.
“Why is it you can’t read the signs of the times?”
Perhaps, just perhaps, you and a significant number of other French citizens can save your country, but what you have to do is so titanic a struggle, so massive a change in the way France is going, that you’ll have to forgive us if the rest of us simply read the handwriting on the wall and stay the heck outta France.
An Préachán
There are quite a few French (many Jews among them) whose English is better than Marie Clown, and whose discussion skills (politeness included) and analytic capacities are far more articulate. Marie Clown and her French comrades (including the ones she cites, when it’s not Wiki master-reference) are actively contributing to silence the above-mentioned voices in France, sometimes elsewhere too.
Rather than saving France, the Marie Clowns are drowning it, invective included.
so far, there’s no French on such blogs, cuz people like you are chasing them, your tolerence is telling, I’m glad that I not living where you are, it’s not a plce for clowns but for preachers
Here’s a fine example of Marie Clown empty rhetoric:
How does she know where I live?
Does she know where I’m writing from? Where I was born?
I don’t care, but you certainly not are living in France
I bet you wouldn’t dare to speak like that, you would be sued for hatemongering towards the French by your correlegionaires
preacher, you can’t talk in the name of the French, especially of the Brittons that I intimately know, since I was born there
Marie-Claude….
Isn’t the internet great? People like you can get to mingle with people like us. Now get your mop and pail and get back to work.
sorry but Halloween is over, there’s no french maid costume available now
If you were born there you should know they are called “Bretons”
Brittons for a english speaking blog
None of this is too shocking. Socialism is one thing but the Socialist himself is concerned with getting wealth and getting it as easy as possible. If the Jews leave a portion of the economy leaves with them. An anti-semitic country eventually locks the Jews in after it sees the appeasement is no longer enough and even the Jew can not rationalize staying. Hollande is dealing with short term realities which he hearkens to and the long term need to keep his Socialism in vogue. You will get real contradictions but the real proof of what he is comes when his hand is forced and he has to clearly side one way or the other.
By that time the yoghurt won’t merely have expired it’ll stink.
“… and this is known as bad luck.”
Where can they go?
Individual French Jews will make decisions based upon their family’s situation. Like all socialists, Hollande will make France an undesirable place to live for smart, thrifty and industrious people. Some Jews will leave, but maybe some Jews will move in to take advantage of increased welfare. I personally wouldn’t trust him, and I wouldn’t be surprised if the top half of the Jewish population makes a quick exit. In the Middle East, France would like to re-exert its traditional imperial influence in Syria, and the security of Israel is secondary in Hollande’s calculations.
Jews moving to France and, of all reasons, for welfare? Highly unlikely. Especially given that their lives are in danger in neo-France.
French Jews (like American ones) love their country. Most of those who stay there do it because they love it so much they can’t/won’t abandon it to the Barbarians. Most of those who leave do it with very hard feelings.
do you know that some french Jews also live on french social checks? and all of them have a MENSA IQ
Well Marie-Claude efforts to put a cosmetic layer of youth cream on France ‘s face is rather touching.The sitaution affecting a large part of the french jewish community clearly encompass a much larger ( jewish & non-jewish )population whose social status is rather high , wich are active, energetic, entreprsie-minded,and who is FED UP with the DERELICTION , DECLINE , SENSE OF POWERLESSNESS of this country.France is exactly as Turkey was in the beginning of the XIXth century ” L’ homme malade de l’Europe “.See ” the Economist ” published tomorrow.The French state is more than ever invading our daily life,socialism is a kind word for extra-taxation, the European Union crisis shows clearly that France is a junior partner submissive to Germany, the french media system chokes any kind of free thinking and protect the establishment , the political system is a circus of crippled, paralytics, half-crooks half snake-oil dealers, the school system barely functions; 40% of children leaves it without being fluent in french or able to read; the suburbs of big cities are third-world ghettos haunted by hoodlums dealing drugs and settling their bills with AK-47 and some of them enjoy killing jews and french soldiers as Merah did in march.To state it clear ” Y en a marre ” ( we are all fed up ).So 2000 jews are leaving fro israel/year, and not only per zionism but also for the YoY economic growth rate in Israel (+3% /y when France barely budges from 1%) but 400,000 frenchmen are settled in Great-Britain, 200,000 in Belgium, because they found there better opportunities.Thsoe 600,000 expats are rather part of a growing nucleus of frenchmen who have renounced for the above mentionned problems to stay here.For my part I am now 12 years in Italy and I enjoy it much more than France. Frenchmenr never had a tradition of emigration but now it’s a very new attitude ant it’s growing.
P.S: Concerning the jewish community , insecurity is clearly a problem but the daily bashing of Israel in the medias is something unbelievable .There is not a single newspaper, a TV channel wich does not aim daily at Israel to pinpoint any kind of devilish aspect of its life.It seems that israel is the main root of any problem in the world. In that respect Francois Hollande welcoming Netanyahu shows something is changing at the top, but the medias system is totally blinded in its hate for Israel.
Well said.
I don’t count much on change, but I’d love to be proven wrong.
http://tempsreel.nouvelobs.com/laurent-joffrin/20120405.OBS5611/the-economist-la-pravda-du-capital.html
“The Economist, “Pravda” du capital”
I think you are all missing the the point. The interesting thing here is not that Jews are fleeing France/Europe, but that the Gentile elites are concerned about that exodus no matter how great or small it is. Are they concerned about losing a productive/educated taxpaying class or about a broader cultural implication of a Judenrein Europe?
Expressing concern is a bit different than actually being concerned. And still further than doing something about it.
I believe some (certainly not all) people are concerned about France’s image (Jews being killed is not good for reputation), and about the Moslem population’s un-European behaviors and claims.
Not sure they’re aware of what losing the Jews might signify.
there’s a french dicton: “parles à mon c*l, ma tête est malade”
“Are they concerned about losing a productive/educated taxpaying class or about a broader cultural implication of a Judenrein Europe?”
Does it occur to your blinkered mind that we aren’t Nazy Germany, those Jews that make their alyah today aren’t necessary brainy?
I am reminded of the statement (don’t know who said it) that european culture died in Auschwitz. Perhaps there is some concern that finsihing the job will finish what’s left of european culture or pretensions theretofor.
Jewish flight and White Christian flight. There is no difference. One isnt racism and the other one just a group looking out for their well being….they are the same.
You know whats complex irony? In France, Jewish people are under constant attack-not only by Muslim extremist but also by left-wing haters. Synagogues have their own security and look like fortresses, Jewish people can not don a kippah, otherwise they may be attacked and beaten up. There are serious no-go areas for them in French cities. The secretary of teh EJC,Cwajgenbaum, confirmed this: Western Europe is not safe anymore.But Poland is,where you can don a kippah and have no trouble doing so. No, guess what nation is considered and has its character assasignated by the BBC for being ferociously anti-Semitic-THE POLES;OF COURSE! Also, and I am sorry to say this: Jewish Americans seem to have a vile hatred for Poland/Poles.But their co-religionist being mistreated/attacked/threatened in GB,Germany,Sweden,France? they dont give a damn as much as they do not give a buck to the reappearing Jewish congregations in Poland,the Ukraine, ect.. This is an outrage.
The reason many North American Jews look at Poland as an antisemetic land is that many of us were taught by our grandparents who had first hand experience, that the poles were antisemites, that in many towns, the Nazis would not have known who was a Jew if not for their Gentile neighbors pointing them out. Eastern Europe proclaims it’s love of Jews as long as they only have a vestigial jewish presence. Some think Jewish money will save their economies. Others are promoting the notion of the reciprocal genocide theory. Jewish communists came and perpetrated genocide on peaceloving gentiles and in turn got their comeuppance when the Nazis came. Everyone was to blame so no one is.
….that the poles were antisemites
Mike,I have been verbally abused as a Pole by Jewish Americans-in a synagoge.Nothing like that happened to my German friends! I think it is s.th else-The Germans were an abstraction, the Polish neighbour, who perhaps did not help him or actually ratted him/her out (helping Jews was,ONLY in Poland, punishable by death by the Nazi Germans.NOT TELLING on Jews, like, your neighbour was hiding Jews and you did not tell the Germans, was also punishable by death) was no abstraction. The hurtful thing is this-Poland has the greatest number of rescuers (and these are only those who were recognized and where there was substantial evidence.Polish communist had no interest in parading with this as most rescuers were patriotic Poles and not communists), over 100 000 Poles were murdered for trying to rescue or help Jewish people.Today, Poland is a tolerant,non-rascist (hey,we have like a neglible number of black people and two black immigrants from Nigeria in your national parliament) country where Jewish people are safe, where Hamas groupies are a tiny minority. Guess what? We are treated as if we and some “nazis” (who apparently, do not posses a specific nationality) had done the Holocaust, as if Poles did not suffer under Nazi German terror (theres a great book, called “The forgotten Holocaust” by Richard Lucas). This is wrong and unfair- especially if it turns out that people, who were actually rescued by Polish christians later on spit on the Polish nation because thats what the “narrative” wants (like a certain Kosinski in his book “The painted bird”).
About:Jewish communists. According to the IPN (Institute for Nat. Rememberance) in Poland,hardly an anti-semitic institution (they also researched cases of collaboration,f.e) 40% of the stalinist secret service men and women had a(n atheist) Jewish background (for various reason, Jews being inherently bad is of course NOT one of them).They did,of course,not give a damn about Judaism-well, until, f.e Poland was more or less free again and wanted to prosecute them. Google Helena Wolinska, a murderess Britain did not want to extradite (because,through liberal bias, communist murders are somehow less evil than nazi murders) or Salomon Morel, whom Israel did not want to extradite. Both times “Polish anti-Semitism” was cited, or alleged,f.e by the criminals, why Poland wanted to try them. Because, apparently,if the criminal is a communist or Jewish (or, in America,black or a homosexual) than persuing justice against this person seems to be viewed as bigotry-an outrage.
Also, You know Frank Blaichman? He is also writing in his books extensively about how vile, horrible anti-Semites Poles were/are. Interestingly, he does not tell the part of his live where he was working for the stalinst secret service and murdering Polish fighters for independence and anti-communist. Why I am telling you this? Because there is s.th to it-Soviets loved to use minorities (and in every group of people there are criminals) for their crimes.
Everyone was to blame so no one is.
Well-NO! This exactely is the kind of moral relativism that is poisoning everything! of course, everything must be seen in relative terms, so lets see-did Poles build the concentration camps? No. Did Poles, in general, murder Jewish people? No. Did Poland start the war? No. Did Poles impose an inhumane regime on others? No. So, relatively speaking, Poles as a group were way better than Germans and Russians. And Yes, i totally blame Nazi Geman ideology and communist ideology on the tragedy of this period.
I don’t dispute that the Nazis were responsible for the Shoah. Nor do I dispute that poland had per capita the highest number of ” righteous gentiles” who risked their own lives to save jews. What I am saying is that north American jewry’s attitude to east European countries has been shaped by how the emigres/refugees transmitted the history of their interactions with their Gentile neuighbors. It is not a positive one. For example, I was told repeatedly by my grandparents that Poles drank antisemitism with their mother’s milk. Do I believe this is true of the current generation, unlikely.
another reason that Germans are given a pass, so to speak, is that most jews interacting with Germans in North America, do so in the setting of a synagogue where the German speaker apologizes for the Shoah. The Germans have made apologizing for the Shoah a large part of their national rebranding effort. It has been a fairly effective campaign. The Baltic states and to a lesser extent Poland have made more of an effort to explain the collaboration of some of their nationals as a reistance movement against communism rather than condemn the atrocites.
Mike, the problem is way deeper as far as I can estimate it. Look, You are talking about Nazi-whatever that is-the term has become more or less disconnected from its history and thus meaningless,while concentration camps were called, by Obama!, “Polish camps”. About Judaism in Poland: Of course there were tentions-read my comment below with regard to minorities (also, there were incidents on the Jewish side,because it takes two to tango, like when businessmen of Jewish faith refused to trade with Christian ones,or when some rabbis prohibited eating together with Gentiles,this,of course,built walls between communities), but still-I is sickening to experience this kind of hatred. The Polish Underground State did what was humanely possible to get help,also from American Jewry-Guess what? Their leaders were like oooh,no,the Germans would neeever do s.th like that ect. They did nothing to help-now they are accusing Poles of having been “passive”. Incredible,their one-sided amnesia. Look for yourself- check the “Times of Israel” online, search for Poland and than read the articles, and than the comments below.This is like RASCISM in my eyes.About Germans: I believe it is s.th completely different.Unfortunately, after WW2, Poland was more or less sold to the Soviets while Germany became an “ally”-thus, the hatred against Germany was transferred/redirected against the Soviet bloc,and,surprise,also Poland. A great many Germans are actually extremely arrogant about their “Vergangenheitsbewaltigung”- they have “overcome” their past (of course,Christian Polish or Slavic Holocaust victims are NOT part of this rememberance) not every other country should let itself be taught by the Germans how to do it-hard to believe,but true,unfortunately.Also, Germany is rich,while we Poles are not really able to buy ourselves a good image. As far as I know NO one in Poland denies that some crimes by some Poles against people of jewish faith did take place, these deeds were condemned.But Poles will never,and should never, apologize for s.th they did not do-there just had not been any significant collaboration. Especially since we are abused and mistreated,and completely wrongly, as anti-Semites. Also-in many places, the Soviets were indeed recruiting poor Jews into their ranks-mainly those with criminal inclinations (because,in every group, you can find criminals).These people were f.e targeted by the NSZ (national defence forces)-for being traitors and murderers, not because they were of Jewish faith. If You are interested in a two sided ,objective history of Polish, this book here is a great read: Bieganski by Danusha V. Goska.
“You know whats complex irony? In France, Jewish people are under constant attack-not only by Muslim extremist but also by left-wing haters. Synagogues have their own security and look like fortresses, Jewish people can not don a kippah, otherwise they may be attacked and beaten up”.
You know that France is a LAIC country, hence ostentory religious signs are not recommanded
“There are serious no-go areas for them in French cities.”
yes some suburbs, then again no French can go there if he isn’t recommander by a “Brother”
Poland is immune from foreign immigration as she has problem to get all her citizens employed, so it is unlikely that someone with a kippa would be assaulted
Europe decided a long time ago that it didnt like Jews. So it traded Einstein, Freud, Niels Bohr, Selman Waksman and many other Nobel winning scientists, physicians, artists for Mohammed Atta, the Madrid bombers, the London bombers and millions of other similar people. Europe is pleased with the trade, so let Europe deal with it. In a few decades, Europe will be indistinguishable from Egypt or Somalia. Enjoy
yet Jews from german speaking language
When Jews are expelled or killed, out of jealousy, the country sink into poverty.
Let it be.
Jews should move to IL, USA, Canada and Australia. Should consider China, Japan…
Europe is afflicted with a near hereditary jealousy of Jews.
This is incurtable and Jews should get out.
What is so great about Illinois for Jews?
Cute.
I doubt that.Please read the great book “World on fire” by Amy Chuang. Its about market-dominant minorities.The problems Jewish people (and any other group actually) could face when going to Japan or China (or whereever) could be the following: They will live in small,separate communities,they will rather not marry outside their group,business will be done rather inside the group than with outsiders.Funny story, but you know why Chinese are not very much liked in diverse countries of Asia? Why they are nicknamed “the Jews of Asia”? I believe much of the dislike Jews had to endure was because of economical reasons. This phenomenon can be observed all over the world, with f.e Indians in Africa,Chines in Asia or Europeans in f.e Thailand.The majority population always grows suspicious of such close-knit (thus potentialy wealthy) minorities over time,religion has little to do with it.
boff, then you’re afflictecd with jaelous of the french
The vast majority of Frenchies have always anti-semitic to the core. Even the philosopher Jean Paul Sartre wrote about it calling anti-semitism a psychotic disease. There is much evidence of French anti-semitism…the Dreyfus case, the Val d’Hiv collection, then Drancy and expulsion of 75,000 Jews, mainly women and children to death camps. Interestingly, Hollande is a Jewish surname! Many French collaborated willingly with the Nazis, betraying their neighbors and literally sneaking about trying to find Jews wherever they could. Yes, there were saintly French people who hid and protected Jews such as an entire village in n. France which hid 5000 Jews right under the noses of German forces, and the courageous Maquis underground, though a large number of its members were Jews. The way things are going, Jews will soon be fleeing Europe en masse, but they shouldn’t flee to yet another Diaspora ‘haven’ (e.g. the USA, Australia, etc)as those ‘havens’ will one day also turn against their Jews. Whatever the difficulties Jews may experience on returning to their homeland, at least there they can take up arms and be able to fight back when threatened by enemies, something they cannot do in the Diaspora.
ADL survey on antisemitism in Europe
-http://www.adl.org/PresRele/ASInt_13/5465_13.htm
Sartre wrote so many BS
Dreyfus affair is as old as Antisemitism was the most shared view in Europe at the era, otherwise Theodor Herzl wouldn’t have thought of creating “sionnism”. Note that Dreyfus has half of France supporting him, which wouldn’t have been possible in German speaking countries, and in Mitteleuropa. He was aquitted a few years later.
“Many French collaborated willingly with the Nazis”
really? then no Resistance would have been possible, no Jews would have survived… the biggest percentage in nazis occupied countries
the Veld’hiv was ordered by Eichman, not by Vichy, Vichy was obbeying to the Gauleiter orders.
“Le 11 juin 1942 a lieu à Berlin une réunion convoquée par Eichmann, au cours de laquelle il est décidé que le RSHA (SS-Gestapo) déporterait de France vers l’Est 100.000 juifs en 1942. Il s’agit d’un changement important puisque, jusqu’à cette date, il n’était prévu de déporter que 5000 Juifs de France cette année-là. Ces 100.000 Juifs doivent être valides pour le travail, et doivent donc avoir entre 16 et 50 ans. En effet, à cette période, seuls des “travailleurs” sont déportés vers Auschwitz.
Le représentant en France d’Eichmann, Théo Dannecker, décide, dans un premier temps, de déporter 40.000 Juifs de zone nord, l’arrestation de Juifs de zone sud devant faire l’objet de négociations avec le Gouvernement de Vichy, puisque les nazis n’ont pas d’autorité en zone non occupé. Dannecker décide de faire arrêter des Juifs adultes en Province dans la Zone occupée, et d’organiser une rafle en région parisienne qui permettra d’arrêter 22.000 Juifs adultes. Il prévoit que 40 % de ces Juifs destinés à être arrêtés dans le département de la Seine seront des Juifs français, le reste étant des Juifs étrangers
Depuis 1941, les Allemands utilisent directement la police française en zone nord pour arrêter les Juifs. Lors de la première rafle parisienne, en mai, les représentants de Vichy à Paris avaient été prévenus à l’avance mais ensuite, en août et en décembre 1941, les autorités d’occupation s’étaient servies directement de la police parisienne sans demander l’avis de Vichy.
Alain Michel, franco-Israelian historian
http://vichyetlashoah.blog.lemonde.fr/2012/07/14/le-gouvernement-de-vichy-et-la-rafle-du-vel-dhiv/
BTW I never saw anyone of your rightful people complaining of the nazis burning the village of Oradour sur Glane with its inhabitants, kids and old people, nor of the village of Mailly, where the nazis executed its inhabitants (kids and grandparents too), too bad the nazis were chazing resistants, so much for such a collaborationing country
///The vast majority of Frenchies have always anti-semitic to the core.
I am Polish but I HAVE to digress.But You are kind of right-the collaboration during the occupation was there- Vichy France.
///shouldn’t flee to yet another Diaspora ‘haven’
Whatever.There is much free space in Poland, we are no anti-Semites and have a tiny muslim population-theyd be welcome
///at least there they can take up arms and be able to fight back when threatened by enemies,
yet our collaboration was less effective than the polish one, as 75% of our jews survived, while in Poland only 5% did
and according to the ADL survey, antisemitism is more alive in your mitteleuropa countries
Country by Country Findings on Anti-Semitic Attitudes
In responding “probably true” to the statement, “Jews are more loyal to Israel than their own country,” the 2009 survey found:
Austria – 47%, down from 54% in 2007
France – 38%, down from 39% in 2007
Germany – 53%, up from 51% in 2007
Hungary – 40%, down from 50% in 2007
Poland – 63%, up from 59% in 2007
Spain – 64%, up from 60% in 2007
The United Kingdom – 37%, down from 50% in 2007
In responding “probably true” to the statement, “Jews have too much power in the business world,” the 2009 survey found:
Austria – 36%, down from 37% in 2007
France – 33%, up from 28% in 2007
Germany – 21%, unchanged from 2007
Hungary – 67%, up from 60% in 2007
Poland – 55%, up from 49% in 2007
Spain – 56%, up from 53% in 2007
The United Kingdom – 15%, down from 22% in 2007
In responding “probably true” to the statement “Jews have too much power in international financial markets,” the 2009 survey found:
Austria – 37%, down from 43% in 2007
France – 27%, down from 28% in 2007
Germany – 22%, down from 25% in 2007
Hungary – 59%, down from 61% in 2007
Poland – 54%, unchanged from 2007
Spain –74%, up from 68% in 2007
The United Kingdom – 15%, down from 21% in 2007
In responding “probably true” to the statement “Jews still talk too much about what happened to them in the Holocaust,” the 2009 survey found:
Austria – 55%, up from 54% in 2007
France – 33%, down from 40 % in 2007
Germany – 45%, unchanged from 2007
Hungary – 56%, down from 58% from 2007
Poland – 55%, down from 58% in 2007
Spain – 42%, down from 46% in 2007
The United Kingdom – 20%, down from 28% in 2007
http://www.adl.org/PresRele/ASInt_13/5465_13.htm
Dear Marie,before You talk please check the excellent Wikipedia article about „Polish culture in WW2” and all articles connected to this topic (nazi-German occupation of Poland)- The occupation of Poland was the most brutal and perverse, the first victims (and half of the Polish total) were Christian Poles (f.e in Auschwitz). Poland was also destined as the place all Jewish Europeans should be murdered as well as all Poles and other Slavs-thus the mass murder by the Nazi Germans was in its highest gear. Collaboration was a minor phenomenon in Poland, there was no “Vichy Regime”. Also, our president does not have to reassure Frenchmen of Jewish faith that they are still safe in their own country.
Its called “Central Europe”, btw. Also, I know this survey- I have some serious objections-here is why:
“Jews are more loyal to Israel ….” Well, Jewish congregations do normally side with Israel-or don’t they? They often voice their support for Israel f.e through media. Which is fine with me, we should all support Israel. This can probably, sometimes be taken the other way round. In Poland, we had cases like the case of Salomon Morel (a Stalinist murderer) who, like a not negligible number, fled to Israel before Polish courts could try him for mass murder. He was not extradited.
Jews have too much power in the business world
Why is this anti-Semitic? It is true-look at how much power, f.e intellectual power people of Jewish faith have.How many noble prizes were won by them, f.e. How much did Muslims achieve? A joke. Compared with their number Jewish influence (in science) is disproportionate.Really s.th to be proud of
“Jews still talk too much about what happened to them in the Holocaust
Why is this “anti-Semitic”? I think it is true.Btw, a Jewish rabbi in Poland agreed with me on this-but, in Poland,Jewish Poles are not doing this-rather, Jewish Americans, who are not religious, do it as a kind of spare-religion, sadly.
So, if there is so much anti-Semitism in Poland,Hungary,ect. how come that the secretary of the European jewish council has said, with regards to France and Poland: Poland is a safe country- unlike the rest of the West. And dont blame it on Mulims only, left-wing extremist in France HATE Israel as if it were the III Reich. I happen to visit France 1-2 times a year so Im speaking about my own experiences.
I know, I know, the poor Polish were the only victims of WW2
“Poland was also destined as the place all Jewish Europeans should be murdered as well as all Poles and other Slavs-thus the mass murder by the Nazi Germans was in its highest gear. Collaboration was a minor phenomenon in Poland, there was no “Vichy Regime”.
do you know why a Vichy regime was allowed? because of the French colonies, and why Hitler requested a Armistice which looked more favorable, only with France? because of the French colonies, the whole french army was dismentled, the prisonners of war taken in the previous Campains were already transferred in Germany, as a labor force for compensating the German men on the front, war, which otherwise if the German had carried on a war like in Poland and in the other European countries, would have lasted several more years, as the fightings would have carried on to until the south of France, and then from each of our colonial countries. Within such a scenario, Hitler wouldn’t have been able to undertake his operation Barbarossa, which was his design since the beginning, to overtake the Romanian oil fields, and the arable territories of Ukraine, very needed for fueling and feeding the Nazy war machine. Don’t think that occupation of France was cool, it became very opressing at the first french terrorist actions. French people and resistants weren’t spared from torture and deportation, for hiding jews and for helping the resistants. It’s a fact that as soon as the armistice was signed, that allowed Vichy to keep the colonies, but to the benefit of Germany, the goods were transferred there,
Collaboration in Poland wasn’t a minor phenomenum, the average percentage was the same in each occupied country, but it was more like a crual revenge against the Jews that endorsed the Bolcheviks doctrine
-http://einestages.spiegel.de/static/topicalbumbackground/4143/handlanger_des_holocaust.html
“Der Spiegel editor, Mathias Müller von Blumencron, has pointed out that it was never his intention to claim that the Nazis were not a German problem but that the cooperation of others in the occupied countries was essential to carry out their deathly, murderous project.
Which is probably true. But isn’t that obvious?
Poles, though, don’t really do the historical guilt trip very well. As a nation, Poles see themselves as victims – and that goes back to the revolutionary, Romantic period and has been reinforced ever since.
Poles are not like the British, Americans, maybe some French…they are not trembling with guilt and angst about historical crimes done by their countries in the past. Poles have been the victims of racism many times more than they have been the perpetrators. It’s an important part of the national identity.
some Poles went along with the horror
http://www.polish-jewish-heritage.org/eng/maj_04_polish_national_identity.htm
“Also, our president does not have to reassure Frenchmen of Jewish faith that they are still safe in their own country.”
of course, Poland isn’t a country of immigration for the Muslims, but considering your neo-fashist movement reviving, I bet it wouldn’t be nice forthem to live in Poland, and like in Eastern Germany, for the Jews too.
“left-wing extremist in France HATE Israel as if it were the III Reich. I happen to visit France 1-2 times a year so Im speaking about my own experiences.”
if there are young politised lefty cretins, they don’t attack the Jews, it’s like the anti-war manifestations against Bush.
hmm tell me from whom you got such experiences, I might explain you why, or telling it’s a mere BS !
Contiunation- oh yes! and, being concentrated on a tiny dot of land in the Middle East they would be extremely convenient to kill f.e by missiles fired from their “friendly” neighbours. Face it-its good there are Jewish congregations outside of Israel-
Philippe
Does it ring a bell that the majority of the French Jews are rather opting for a socialist regime àla Française, the Bobos anyone?
oh and don’t rely on the Economist for being fair with France, it’s the PRAVDA for economist ie Joffrin, its agenda is to make France to comply to the neo-liberalist agendas of Brussels, otherwise their project of big EU lead by Berlin will get kaput
Bashing Israel ain’t that daily News papers occupation, but of some opinionists, and not daily, like we can read several articles bashing the French in the US and in UK daily
hmm the french expats in London are rather our suburbans that could get a job as french citizens whereas in france it was more difficult for them
Don’t tell me that people like Bernard Arnault and Gerad Depardieu fleeing the taxes in Belgium are representative of the french entrepreneurs, any aware entrepreneur can hire a good fiscal expert who will help to avoid paying too much taxes.
BTW, the French have the average will for being entrepreneurs, at least, as much as the Americans and or as the Germans
http://www.20minutes.fr/economie/1040918-france-allemagne-etats-unis-plus-esprit-entreprendre
and se the foreign investors are betting on our country
-http://www.boursorama.com/actualites/la-france-numero-2-de-l-investissement-etranger-en-europe-1ce3de5be59564327e296eefa15d571a
You know that we aren’t a aging country like most of the continental Europe countries, so forget your gloomy expectations
An aging population is much perferred to being colonized by Muslims. But to each their own.
but they’ll need Turkish and bosnian muslim nurses to care of them
Could Marie Clown, instead of vociferating nonsense, explain why it is that Jews are targeted in France? Why several Jews have been murdered in France in the last decade or so?
Why have several French MSM devoted pages to the “new anti-Semitism” in France?
Are you blind?
The events you refer to have nothing to do with the French but all to do with those muslims immigrants from North Africa. They were imposed on the poor French by their elites amongst whom jews, as you well know or should, wield enormous power.
As for the French MSM, I suppose there is no point in drawing your attention to one of its most obvious characteristics…
Why several Jews have been murdered in France in the last decade or so?
Why have several French MSM devoted pages to the “new anti-Semitism” in France?
if you know the response, why are you asking me?
Don’t expect me that I am going to make a repentance, I’m not responsable, but people like you, that even don’t live in our country you’re ill placed to lecture us, none of the french Jews would want to ignify quarrels between the communauties living in France, some Muslims have griefs against the Jews, but it’s more often due to Jews like you that keep on pouring oil from abroad
Sorry but you seem to be the one needing to do basic research or at the very least to fight your knee-jerk reaction to anything that may be viewed as a criticism of jews.
Those jews of yours that never set foot in a synagogue, who do they marry? do they ever become christian? do they stop being recognised as jews by their fellow jews? do they ever loose the protection of the jewish community?
You know the answers to those questions.
And you know that without jewish brain-power cultural marxism would not have spread the way it did. And you know jews have massively supported the deliberate invasion of unassimilable aliens into both Europe and the US in order to weaken if not destroy both. France and its people never agreed to that invasion.
Besides, the title of this article itself proves the author to be either a manipulator or a fool, talking as he does of France and ITS anti-semitism. The events prompting the article have basically nothing to do with France but with those very same aliens!
Bien sûr!
It’s the Jews and only the Jews’ fault!
Playing the “blame-the-victim” game, Patrick_UK?
Did I say that? No.
Do I believe that? Neither.
I suggest you carefully read what I precisely wrote.
Anyone not completely brainwashed by the dominant views imposed on western peoples over the last 60 years knows that jews have a very real responsibility in the situation. Call it co-responsibility if you like but there is no benefit in remaining in denial.
I think you’re exaggerating, and quite much.
And you also ignore the fact that those whom you call aliens and immigrants are mostly French citizens, more often than not born in France, to French parents. Indeed, their mentality is un-European, which doesn’t prevent others, of European, French, descent to join them – via quick conversion. But you’d find the Jews responsible for this too, wouldn’t you?
they are French so what? why don’t you acknowledge that they ALSO are MUSLIMS?
Though I know some honnorable french Muslims workers, with whom you could n’t compete, you’re too twisted
No one with a bit of nous cares about citizenship anymore. Citizenship and nationality are two different things. You should know that.
There was a time when citizenship was granted at the discretion of the host group, usually after many hurdles that basically demonstrated that the applicant had to all intent and purposes become part of the group.
It then meant something and applied to few people. It has now become a silly joke in a clumsy attempt to sweep the immigration problem under the carpet, or worse to make it look irreversible. But it wont work.
These aliens are not French (in the real meaning of the word) and for a majority never will.
As for those poor idiots converting to islam, do you honestly believe that we would see as many of them if traditional western values, religions and cultures had not been systematically ridiculed and attacked for the past 80years?
And Mr Bern, this brings us back to those responsible for this patient but unrelenting destruction work. We can debate about the true extent of jewish participation but to deny it is ridiculous. And counter-productive because the same is taking place in Israel.
Btw what is the proportion of jewish US citizens who voted Obama? support gay marriage? affirmative action? repealing the Second Amendment? etc.
Mr Bern, sorry but Anonymous at 9:47pm was me Patrick.
Patrick
Bernie is mad at the French, we are worst than the Jihadists in his eyes
Should we remind him that without the support of France, De Gaulle, and the US Truman, Israel wouldn’t have been allowed to have a diplomatic reconnaissance
And you’re right it’s the Jewish Bobo Elite that advised our political leaders to let the doors open to the muslim immigration, but this elite lived/live in the nicest quaters of Paris, and doesn’t care of what the french populo, nor of the poorest french Jews thought of the proccess, the kind of Elite never lived in suburbs. They also are the people that would agree on the Muslims revendications, if we weren’t a strong traditional republican country.
so la Bernite, that even doesn’t live in France should mind his own *ss and business
So Marie Clown has now found a soul mate, and here they go again, peddling yet one more conspiracy theory about the Jews bearing responsibility for France’s demise.
Go on, let the whole world know that De Gaulle, Giscard d’Estaing, Mitterand, Chirac were Jews, as well as their prime-ministers and their governments.
Or is it “merely” the all powerful Joooose who judeise the Mère Patrie, as the Nazis used to claim and the Arabs now complain about Jerusalem?
With such irresponsible people, no wonder France is sinking.
pff, what a biased salade
Marie Clown, give your Gallic shrug or hug to Moahmad Merah’s sister and to their fan club who tag “Jews to the ovens” on very French walls.
povecon
Is that all you have to say about your compatriots tagging Jews to the ovens ?
Come to terms with it Mr Bern: most likely the are not Marie Claude’s compatriots…concitoyens maybe, but compratriots never.
Well, the French claim to be egalitarian. And one should not forget that one of Merah’s victims was Moslem.
So it’s a French problem.
Can the French deal with it? Can they deal with it effectively? Do they have the will?
I know they’re not all in denial like Marie Clown, nor are they like Patrick reversing charges.
you’re a bit presomptuous to say they aren’t my compatriots,
though they certainly are lesser YOUR compatriots
Bernie
what a infatued wasp you are