Four Blago Scandal Rules for the GOP
President-elect Obama has given a number of different versions of his transition team’s dealings with Governor Rod Blagojevich. His chief of staff is reported to have been on twenty-one different taped calls with Blago.
But some Republicans don’t want the party to be making political hay over this. Directly at issue is a Republican National Committee (RNC) ad entitled “Questions Remain.” The ad is a campaign-style grainy attack spot on the president-elect’s past association with Blago and his lack of complete disclosure regarding what contacts his transition team had with Blago. Sen. John McCain, the former GOP nominee, said he didn’t care for it. Newt Gingrich is the latest and most extreme of the shushers. In a letter on Tuesday he wrote to RNC Chairman Mike Duncan:
I was saddened to learn that at a time of national trial, when a president-elect is preparing to take office in the midst of the worst financial crisis in over seventy years, that the Republican National Committee is engaged in the sort of negative, attack politics that the voters rejected in the 2006 and 2008 election cycles.
AdvertisementThe recent web advertisement, “Questions Remain,” is a destructive distraction. Clearly, we should insist that all taped communications regarding the Senate seat should be made public. However, that should be a matter of public policy, not an excuse for political attack.
In a time when America is facing real challenges, Republicans should be working to help the incoming president succeed in meeting them, regardless of his Party.
From now until the inaugural, Republicans should be offering to help the president-elect prepare to take office.
We see, then, two extreme options for Republicans in dealing with the Blago scandal – attack mode or complete subservience and silence. But a middle ground might be in order.
The RNC overshot, in part one might deduce, because the current Chairman, Mike Duncan, is trying to prove his media bona fides while running for another term as head of the RNC. The result was a super-charged negative hit piece. While accurate, it was so heavy-handed as to make clear that (at least some) Republicans were out to wound the new administration before it ever began.
I’m with Newt on this one. If we spend 4 years (or, God help me, eight) trying to tear Obama down, how exactly are we any different than the nauseating Bush-haters who I’ve been criticizing since 2000?
The man was elected, let him do his job. If you don’t like it, move to Canada like the libtards are always threatening to do. But PLEASE don’t whine and seethe the whole time he’s in office.
As for the RNC, I sent them a donation earlier in the year thinking it would go to good use. I see the error of my ways now, duly noted.
I am intensely hostile towards the Republican National Committee. Individual Republicans should instead be asking hard–and fair questions of Barack Obama. The president elect does not deserve a free ride. His long time relationship with the indicted governor and other controversial Illinois politicians and personalities need to examined. Of course, this should have been done minimally a full year ago. Well, better late than never.
Fair commentary, Ms Rubin.
But it aught to be made clear to the execrable RINO, John Sidney McCain, that his day as a pretender to any “Republican” role, (Except perhaps as an occasional Sunday morning stand in for the “Democrats” other honorary shill, David Rodham Gergen) is done. Buggar off, John! Go pick that lettuce you long ago reneged on your offer to Americans of Fifty Dollars and hour to pick!
And the usually astute, Mr Newt, aught take a damned good hard look at just who the Heck he is asking Republicans to work with. And at at just what the Heck terrible target that mobbed-up Marxist murtadd Muslim intends to “succeed at meeting!”
For, after the incoming gang has, in 2010 and 2012, (Please, Dear Lord) been swept out to join Mr McCain and, sad-to-say, Mr Newt, too, in History’s trashcan, if there is to be any recognizable sign left of either our beloved fraternal republic and/or of the very Judeo-Christian/Western/Human Civilization we have long vanguarded and must forever guard, it will be because we conservatives re-took the Republican party from the DC girlyboys.
And because we then exploited the incoming gang’s every weakness, exposed its every flaw and its every criminality and because we stood up to it and resisted its every effort at “change” with all of our strength.
If we for the minute ignore DC and its terminal corruption, we have two parties in the rest of America and it is long past time we acted like it.
This is a time that History will deem to have been not dissimilar from that which inspired that great Anglo-American, Winston Churchill’s “… blood, toil, tears, and sweat …” speech, which, let us not forget and after the “we shall never surrender” bit, Mr Churchill concluded by saying to the effect that when all of this is over it will not be enough to say “we have done our best.”
“For we will have to have done what was necessary to succeed!”
Brian Richard Allen
Los Angeles – CalifUBAMAcated 90028
QUOTE:
“……. I say to the House as I said to ministers who have joined this government, I have nothing to offer but blood, toil, tears, and sweat. We have before us an ordeal of the most grievous kind. We have before us many, many months of struggle and suffering.
“You ask, what is our policy? I say it is to wage war by land, sea, and air. War with all our might and with all the strength God has given us, and to wage war against a monstrous tyranny never surpassed in the dark and lamentable catalogue of human crime. That is our policy.
“You ask, what is our aim? I can answer in one word. It is victory. Victory at all costs – Victory in spite of all terrors – Victory, however long and hard the road may be, for without victory there is no survival.
“Let that be realized. No survival for the British Empire, no survival for all that the British Empire has stood for, no survival for the urge, the impulse of the ages, that mankind shall move forward toward his goal.
“I take up my task in buoyancy and hope. I feel sure that our cause will not be suffered to fail among men. I feel entitled at this juncture, at this time, to claim the aid of all and to say,
“Come then, let us go forward together with our united strength.”"
– Winston Churchill – May 13, 1940
END QUOTE.
So far Obama has NOT:
Started a war
Lie to the public
Created a financial crisis
Killed thousands of people
Increased the National Debt
Acted as a buffon
Spent countless days on vacation
Ignored reality
Ignored security briefings
Appointed retrograde Supreme Justices
Etc., etc., etc.
And he’s not in office yet . . .
Jennifer, I agree.
Wholeheartedly. But there are a couple of things nagging at me about the entire scenario.
It is absolutely true that the RNC does itself nothing but harm by ham-handed “gotcha” politics against President-elect Obama and his administration. However, to suggest that the converse is true, is to overstate the case against such activity.
The Democrats can do or say virtually anything and they will be aided and abetted and provided cover by the entrenched media. It is this fundamental unfairness in our information stream that fuels the thirst for revenge. And frankly, while I disagree with it tactically, while I am predisposed against it ethically, and while I detest it politically…one can’t help but sympathize with the feeling of being cheated and the game being fixed. Nor can one ignore the “root cause” of the anger.
For those who believe McCain is a turncoat and Newt is out of touch, for those who want a pound of flesh from the Obama administration because of the treatment of “their side” for the last eight years, you can’t deny them this point. There has been an absolute absence of grace, honor, dignity, ethics for the last eight years and it has been replaced by a repugnant and ugly brand of lies, distortion, half-truths, spittle-flecked rage…in a word…derangement.
To ask the “victims” to now bury their instinct for revenge is the right call. To do it with a smug or pedantic attitude would be the wrong tone.
Mirroring the behavior of the deranged does two things: It makes THEIR behavior stand out less, in contrast. In fact, it almost makes it “acceptable”, because if EVERYBODY does it…then who could complain? Nobody is going to be interested in “who started it”, just like little kids in the backyard. Secondly, it weakens the actual discussion of the facts that need pressing.
More importantly, because the entrenched media has shown that it will provide cover for Democrats it favors (while simultaneously throwing “disposable” Democrats under the bus, who need to be savaged in order to advance the favored)and will find any reason to attack a Republican, or no reason, if it suits their needs…it becomes of paramount importance to find a way to present facts that serve the public interest…without them going through the distortion machine of the entrenched media.
The corruption of the entrenched media is of such a wholesale nature at this point, that the RNC has no choice but to find a way to ferret out first the wrongdoing, and THEN…the coverup by the media.
It can’t play in a rigged game by the same rules as their opponents. They will lose. In fact, they clearly have two opponents. So a frontal attack leaves the entrenched media open to the easiest coverup of all. “Ignore the cries for blood from the RNC, they are not seriously interested in truth, but rather, simply want to play ‘gotcha’ against the Obama administration.” Whereby, all forays into the digging for the truth are lost.
Instead what the RNC must do, is use the proper channels to bring important issues to light. And then stop buying into the old adage that you never fight an enemy who buys ink by the barrel. If the entrenched media is involving itself as an active player in politics, and they are, if they throw their hat into the ring acting as a “shadow party”, then you MUST unveil their coverups, deceits and distortions.
It is NOT ok for those of us who believe that our information stream is part and parcel of a double standard, a rigged outcome, a fixed game…to pretend that the refs aren’t crooked and to play the game as if we can compete fairly, if only WE play by the rules. That’s delusional.
We must get the game back to where EVERYONE must play by the rules. The only other option, is to play by THEIR rules…and lower the dignity of the entire country. And ourselves.
Gingrich states that “the Republican National Committee is engaged in the sort of negative, attack politics that the voters rejected in the 2006 and 2008 election cycles.”
Hello, what proof is there of this silly statement? The Democrats won Congress by running negative against Bush and the Republicans. In politics, you will always have a portion of your message that says the other side is not doing well. Almost all the ads I saw and heard from Obama was against McCain and Bush with a little ” hope ‘n change” at the end.
Dear 4. vivo:
So far Obama has:
(By way of his projected ignorance, stupidity and gutlessness) made inevitable God alone knows how many wars;
Pathologically lied to the public;
Profited obscenely from and contributed disproportionately to (although you ain’t seen nothing, yet!) his party’s creation of the present monetary catastrophy;
Made inevitable the killing, by the wars he lacks any of the intelligence, the ‘smarts,’ the guile, the character and/or the creditability to avoid leading us into and by way of his proposed Fascist-ized “health-care” scam, of hundreds of thousands, maybe, God forbid, millions;
Criminally contributed to and obscenely profited from the increased national debt;
Actually been a life-long buffoon — and not but the delusional fantasy of himself and about a billion other Bush Derangement Syndrome sufferers;
Spent countless days and Scores of Thousands of ill-gotten Dollars, per day, on vacations;
Caused fifty million-odd idiots too damned stupid to know when they’re being lied to and/or too damned mean-spirited and/or greedy to care, five million-odd of the mobbed-up unionized permanently parasitical classes also known of as “bureaucrats,” NEA members, lecturers, professors and other cryptofascists — plus another ten million-odd criminal aliens, felons and the long dead and/or double-dipping to ignore reality — and “vote” for him;
Never spent enough time actually on the job to which he was elected (visited the US Senate only 143 times — see: “holidays,” above) to even attend a security briefing — or to know what one was/is;
Etc., etc., etc.
And he’s not even in office yet.
All of the above while never having answered to having a very well demonstrated deep loathing for America, for Americans and for all things American — and no part of that loathing and contempt better developed and demonstrated than for our nation’s Founding Law.
While also never having answered to his having been a Stalinist Saul Alinsky-serving rabble-rouser nor to his as well demonstrated and documented lifetime of associations with some of America’s most deadly dangerous enemies, domestic and foreign; to his as well demonstrated and documented — and to having obscenely profited from — similar associations with RICO racketeers and mobbed-up foreign and domestic gangsters. And nor to answering to similarly well track-recorded associations with some of the world’s most virulently hatred-and-rage spewing racists, race pimps and stand-over and shake-down race profiteers.
And that doesn’t even get started on the fact your un-and-anti-American empty galabiya “hero” has never held an actual job, has never been responsible to a profit, has never, unless to tax everyone on it out of work and/or it out of existence, met a payroll!
Brian Richard Allen
Los Angeles – CalifUBAMAcated 90028
Ms. Rubin writes: “So the lesson for Republicans is: political good fortune often comes to those who are patient. And if they can’t be patient, the Republicans should at least be measured in their rhetoric.”
No, Bush tried being polite and measured in his actions and speech time after time and is still doing it with the transition. Did he receive recognition and respect for his efforts? Two of the highest ranking Democratics, Reid and Pelosi, called him a liar…a LIAR, the President of the United States in wartime. Was the great “center” of America repelled by this? No, they elected a lot of Democrats.
Note here the kind of person the elected one is. He is petulantly telling a reporter how the reporter should do his job. (Perhaps this is fair because journos are always trying to tell officials how to do theirs?) Via Drudge:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tT9_ZIUSLhY
David Thomson – His long time relationship with the indicted governor and other controversial Illinois politicians and personalities need to examined…
One might start such an “examination” by realizing Blagojevich has NOT been indicted. He has been accused by a prosecutor of actions that MAY be illegal. Big difference.
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Right now, I will add to Rubin’s list a 5th reason.
5. America faces disaster on multiple fronts. Right now, every good American should be hoping that Obama succeeds in recovering the economy, keeping us safe, doing something about the healthcare crisis, blunting the loss of former Asian and Latin American allies into China’s sphere.
To see Right Wing fanatics determined to reject the will of the American People in the Election and setting out to destroy the Obama Presidency before it even starts – “Bloggo Scandal! Secret Kenyan Birth!!” does not help Republicans.
To see Republicans trying to make the next 4 years even worse for Americans by working to make Obama fail or waste years of critical time distracted by manufactured scandal!, and “retaliating to defend the reputation of our beloved George Bush” – will get them nowhere. The public will likely view it as sore loser Republicans working hard to be further discredited.
So far, Obama continues to please the bulk of the public with his appointments. Vilsack and Salazar are two more excellent picks – the best Americans outside the Right and Left ideological extremes could hope for.
It seems to me that the RNC is running these ads to keep the pressure up on Obama so that they can rally opposition to his legislative program. Individual republicans, on the other hand, benefit from being perceived as supporting the President.
On another note, I don’t see how “negative campaigning” was rejected in 2006 and 2008. The republicans have lost their way, betrayed their core principles and become free-spending interventionists. The recession, as always, makes re-electing the incumbant party almost impossible.
But note the power of negative campaigning by the Obama team, and especially the vicious attacks by their surrogates in politics and media. I hope Newt isn’t trying to argue that what they did to Sarah Palin was positive.
“One might start such an “examination” by realizing Blagojevich has NOT been indicted.”
Huh? “Blago” has definitely been indicted! However, it might be well over a year from now before he is convicted in a court of law. He is truly God’s gift to the Republican Party.
Republican “negative campaigning”?
The exact opposite occurred in the last election. The politically correct John McCain refused to really to go negative against Barack Obama—and this is perhaps the number one reason why he lost the election. I remain convinced that the Republican presidential candidate had the odds in his favor. Obama’s campaign should have been destroyed by no later than September.
All excellent rules, but I want to suggest a fifth: No more attaching the “-gate” suffix to every possible scandal. It’s beyond “hackneyed” now.
“Make the sonovabitch deny it,” Lyndon Baines Johnson, before winning his first Senatorial election.
There’s nothing wrong with staying on top of this, of making sure the investigation follows the leads to their natural conclusion, but I don’t see any reason to put out attack ads.
Newt’s right. This country has important issues facing it and the election’s over. Let’s focus on what matters and deal with any Blagomuck splashes when and if the investigators turn it up.
I can’t think of an issue that unites Americans more than contempt for John McCain. Unless maybe head lice.
Newt and McCain are wrong. The GOP should attack…right after they spend some time listening to Tom Coburn. If the GOP, writ large, had listened to Tom Coburn instead of Tom Delay, Jack Abramoff, Duke Cunningham, Ted Steven, Don Young, Trent Lott, and their ilk, the GOP would not be wandering in the wilderness of minority status right now.
Character, honesty, integrity, and genuine regard for the country and its citizens will generally prevail in the end and they usually don’t fall out of style. When faced with a choice between two packs of thieves, two plain old organized crime families, the voters will generally choose the one that is currently out of power.
Except in Chicago, it seems.
If the goal is to be firm but not shrill, who could argue with that? We may be in a media climate which makes this supremely difficult, however, as anything firm may be characterised as shrill or heavy-handed.
Cedarford, how is calling for simple accountability the same as accusing Obama of Kenyan birth? Spell out for me what the similarity is.
cederford forgets many of the Left here took the side of our enemies in Iraq and Afghanistan against the United States. Now he wants the Right to hope Obama succeeds in pressing his disastrously expensive and transparently ineffective plans. No sale as far as I’m concerned. I’ll render to him all the respect he may somehow come to earn.
@David Thomson
“Huh? “Blago” has definitely been indicted! However, it might be well over a year from now before he is convicted in a court of law. He is truly God’s gift to the Republican Party.”
No. He’s been arrested, and Fitzgerald has filed a criminal complaint, but he has yet to be indicted.
See http://chicago.about.com/b/2008/12/09/blagojevich-indictment-now-online.htm
So far Obama has NOT:
Started a war – True
Lie to the public – Lied about his record on abortion and gun control.
Created a financial crisis – examine his Senate record
Killed thousands of people – True
Increased the National Debt – False, voted for deficit spending
Acted as a buffon – matter of opinion
Spent countless days on vacation – Bush’s vacation days are countable
Ignored reality – matter of opinion
Ignored security briefings – ignored security concerns regarding withdrawing too quickly from Iraq
Appointed retrograde Supreme Justices – huh?
Etc., etc., etc.
And he’s not in office yet . . .
“I’ll render to him all the respect he may somehow come to earn.”
If and when he earns it. Otherwise, the attack, give no quarter, schorched earth approached worked great for the Dems, and I see no reason not to copy it.
It helps that Obama is a reflexive liar.
I like Newt and I like Jennifer but I have to disagree here.
I saw the ad. This is someone’s idea of heavy handed? Give me a break. It is a bunch of quotes from liberal newspapers and that bastion of conservative thought, MSNBC. Has the Republican party lost all sense of man-hood? I don’t know how you can broach the subject any more gently.
I’d like to see Obama do well for the good of the country. (Something that a huge majority of liberals didn’t think about with their hate for GWB.) That doesn’t mean that I need to keep my shut when garbage like this is going on.
Man up, Republicans, or go home!
There’s nothing wrong with going negative with the left hand, while being positive, encouraging, and extending a right hand full of new ideas. Just don’t have the same person do both.
And as for buffons, why, if I’ve ever seen a buffon, then Barack’s a buffon for sure.
In the early 1900s Chicago, First Ward Alderman Hinky Dink Kenna was famous, among other things, for observing “Chicago ain’t ready for reform”. That’s one thing about the Windy City that hasn’t changed much over the last hundred years.
This past fall, watching Obama make that amazing head-turn/nose in-the-air gesture speech after speech, I wondered, where did he picked that up? And I was surprised that no one on his team seemed to notice it and try to coach him out of it. Its annoying. It makes him look snooty.
But now I know how he learned it and why his Chicago-based campaign team didn’t pick up on it. Its a learned trait. It comes from turning his head away from all the corruption around him and trying to look the other way.
Its kind of like the high-step gait that dairy farmers learn walking through the pastures trying to avoid the fresh cow pies. When you see one of those fellows walking down a sidewalk it looks funny. In this case, the cow pies are the practices of Tony Rezko, Rev. Wright, Richard Daley, Governor Blagojevich — and no doubt, others like them we will learn about now that the election is over.
So, should the GOP “gloat” over this? Not on your life. The GOP has got its own house to straighten out. But, already, a month before the new president is inaugurated, we have a pretty clear indication of what is to come. And, consequently, we can expect a lot of people in the establishment media to develop the “head turn” as a result.
Hats off to Brian Richard Allen and thank you for your intellect.
jvon:
Sorry Dude, but it’s payback time.
I’ve taken my lessons from the Left, and they’re going to be paid in full. President Hussein isn’t going to make a move without me pointing out every single miss-step and mis-statement.
Violence in Iraq? Obama’s fault for not getting us out.
Violence in Darfur? Obama’s fault for not putting us in.
Lamont
Except for Nos. 4&9, I can’t remember reading more cogent and informed comments, regarding anything political. Well done. I agree with everyone. McCain was a loser from the git go and Newt’s picture with Pelosivich keeps popping into my vision, so he has lost his credibility, and his senses.
Good job Jennifer.
I’m not interested in what Newt and John have to say, they are only trying to stay on the invite list in D.C. Obama should be treated as any other President-elect. He has yet to uh, uh, um, tell uh, uh, the uh, um truth. He can’t keep it up forever.
It is sad that we have to deal with this scandal at all and that the soon to be President can’t come out more forcefully to denounce the actions of this corrupt individual. The thing the MSM isn’t telling you is that Obama may be clean on this situation, but he sure and a heck knows how business is done in IL. I am sure that there are skeletons that he doesn’t want popping out of the collective closets there in IL. He is a product of that atmosphere of corruption and I am sure this isn’t the first time people had to pay to play there or render favors to obtain a seat. The only thing Obama can do is pray that the Gov doesn’t drop the dime on the whole state machine to save his own butt. I am more than sure that there is plenty of splatter that would land on the President Elect.
As for the Republicans they must clean their own house and force the Democrats to do the same. They must root out corruption where ever they find it to become the champions of the people. They can no longer reach out with greedy hands for lobbyists money and they must name the names of those who do. They must put country first and stop wasting our tax dollars on good deals to buy votes. They must start naming names and show they are the party of reform. It is always easier to take the high road when you are in the minority and now is their chance to shine. The voters will notice who is telling the truth and who was lying to get elected. There is no guarentee that voters will go for whole sale change in 2010 unless you give them a truly better alternative of smaller, responsible, fiscally sound government.
The Republicans became Democrat lite and paid the price in 2006 and 2008. The people decided why buy imitation when you could have the real thing. The people will see again why you don’t want Democrats running the show and hopefully wise up in time for 2010 and 2012. Republicans must provide a true alternative or else face many more years on the outside looking in.
Sorry, Jenn. Fred in 8 above is spot on. GWB has been gracious and even regardless of the politics, the lies, and the personal slurs. It has done him (and the GOP) no good. In 5 above Cfbleachers was abolsutely on target when identifying the press as “referees” calling “a rigged game” is the sentiment common with most conservatives. The latest was the shoe throwing at the President and the press by and large sided with this the Iraqi! Bottom line is, THE ONLY GOAL going forward is to completely discredit the media. Until we can convince the vast majority of voters to view major newpapers like supermarket tabloids, the GOP cannot rebuild.
Another quote from Winston Churchill:
“It is the duty of the opposition to oppose.”
Republicans have a responsibility to force the Obama administration, and the Democrats in Congress, to prove their assertions, put forward coherent plans and policies, and put forward honest, honorable people to fill the key positions in government. That’s what an opposition does.
The complaint here isn’t that the Republicans are going after Rahm, Holder, etc. They are and they should — Rahm and Holder have issues about them that need to be explained.
The issue isn’t strategy, it’s tactics. Republicans shouldn’t sound shrill right now, shouldn’t go over the top, and shouldn’t pander. It doesn’t work and it hurts the party long-term?
But attack when the Obama administration and the Democrats in Congress have a misstep? Why yes, Republicans should attack. It’s what an opposition is supposed to do.
Third, no attack ads and no over-the-top email blitzes from the Republican National Committee. The RNC isn’t known for finesse and it shows.
Actually, the RNC is best known for its rank cowardice. And now Ms. Rubin wants to chloroform them when they are (finally!) showing signs of life? That is an excellent way to suffer even worse losses in 2010 than in 2006 or 2008.
Earth to Rubin: the state-run media will not investigate Emanuel, let alone Obama. Period. End of debate. This is what a state-run media does – protect the powers that be.
Why not fight back for a change? Appeasement of the Democrat Party/state-run media axis has not exactly been beneficial for the country.
“Politics ain’t beanbag: ’tis a man’s game, and women, children ‘n’ pro-hy-bitionists had best stay out of it.”
– Finley Peter Dunne
Time to man up.
And don’t talk to me about shrill. You want shrill, go watch Keith Olbermann on MSNBC. Compared to him, talk radio’s hillbilly heroin addict is the very model of civility, nor is there anyone on TV from the right that comes even close.
Time to ask this jug-eared Jesus some tough questions that should have been asked long ago. If asking anything more difficult than “What’s your favorite color?” is shrill and uncivil, then so be it.
I’ve been asked to forward a note of “thanks guys.”
“Thank all of you for continuing in our fine and effective Republican tradition. We have been a winning team in the past and with all the fine suggestions being made here, we should all expect to continue that tradition.
I’d have handed this in personally but I have to be at the soap-station shortly.
Keep up the good work.
Yours,
Jack Abramoff”
Recall the Hippocratic dictum, “First do no harm.” If we merely prevent bad government acts, then we have done well, even if nothing else happens.
If hard questions “wound” Obama even before he begins, then he cannot embed socialized medicine and all the other entitlements he desires. That is achievement enough.
Vivo:
Didn’t you mean to say
“BUT he’s not in office yet”?
Well the car’s already in gear, thanks to our “conservative” (note the small ‘c’) current government.
http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=081216215816.8g97981o&show_article=1
I do admit however, today’s cars are usually equipped with overdrive.
We can relax having faith in our “Oxy-Messiah.” Two months from January all the Ditto Disciples will be secure in the knowledge that the Lesser shoulders the blame.
RE #4/vivo: “So far Obama has NOT: […}” etc., etc.
Soeterotroll Vivo, hold on! First we cannot, formally, speak about someone named “Obama”, since the name of the person dba “Obama” is actually “Barry, Soetero” – so far. If mister Soetero indeed wants to be Obama, he can be that after providing the necessary vital data to the public.
’till he explains/proves that he is an American citizen, he will be the same little creep Barry Soetero we all know from the Franziskus school enrollment records, “muslim” and “Indonesian citizen”.
Secondly, as far as mister Soetero’s achievements, we sure can acknowledge the fact that he, in case he will go through inauguration, will be indeed an unique character, that is the ONE who took the 5th instead of the oath – quite an achievement, and certainly a reason of pride for coagulations like.
Futher, as far as his other achievements – can you provide us with some evidence about:
About how he paid for Harvard?
1) his grades at the Occidental College?
2) At Columbia U?
3) About how did he pay for Columbia U?
4) About his scholarly work at Columbia U?
5) About the title and nature of his graduation thesis at Columbia U?
6) About the grades there upon which he was accepted at Harvard?
7) About his academic work at Harvard?
9) About his scholarly work at Harvard?
Since we are still in the “so far” realm, can you provide:
10) the names of a his clients during his (mighty obscure) tenure as a lawyer in Chicago?
11) About his answer in the Illinois State Bar application at the question: “Under what other names did you do business/were known in the USA?”
Vivo, these are JUST a FEW questions regarding mister Soetero’s achievements – and since I am certain that you will get out of your way to provide the documented answers to all there questions, I let the matter here.
But before that, analyze this last one and come with a good contortion:
Q: when the Chicagio U hospital was queried about Michelle Soetero’s sudden raise of $250.000 days after Barry Soetero was elected for the US Senate, the hospital answered to the effect that “Michelle deserves the money, and all other 16 board members got the same raise at the same time”.
Now, we have a 15 more people getting a $250.000 rise, which gives us a total of $3.25 millions – nice for a non profit University Hospital.
Vivo, can you name and show who else besides Michelle Soetero got that raise at that time there?
Blago and Patricia – aren’t they the perfect emcees for Soetero’s inaugural? And Betty Currie taking reservations?
Blind partisanship, sheer stupidity or a melange of both – nevertheless sad job you do vivo, supporting this charlatanie.
PS: anxiously awaiting for your rebutting my questions with the appropiate documentation.
7. Brian Richard Allen:
Whew! How’s your ulcer?
20. Kenneth:
At least you’re being more objective.
38. misanthropicus:
“First we cannot, formally, speak about someone named “Obama”,”
You mean he fooled 100 million voters, Homeland Security, the CIA, FBI, Senate, etc.?
This is laughable.
38. misanthropicus:
“PS: anxiously awaiting for your rebutting my questions with the appropiate documentation.”
I don’t do this kind of research. Maybe you can pay someone to do it for you. Nothing is free. And I don’t really care about your questions. Pointless.
RE vivo R# 41/#38: “You mean he [Soetero] fooled 100 million voters, Homeland Security, the CIA, FBI, Senate, etc.?”
Vivo sweetie, the vetting process in this situation is ENTIRELY done by the party that supports/registers the candidate for presidency – believe it or not. There is no outside vetting whatsoever and that’s why all lawsuits trying to draw in this matter state secretaries fail.
What happened is, the Dems rushed at the golden boy, did a superficial vetting job, then it turned out that the gold is just polished brass – I do not discard here the possibility of authentic malversation, i.e., considering Howard Dean’s “adventurous” nature I wouldn’t be surprised to hear that he was aware about Soetero’s ineligibility but he took the risk to push him ahead.
vivo, relax: the matter is far of being resolved as you Soeterotrolls hope that is/will be – time is on our sides, there are many things going on.
Patience, and remember my cri de guerre: Jericho didn’t fall at the first blare of horns, did it?
RE #42/#38 vivo: “I don’t do this kind of research [...]”
Vivo, if those questions are too difficult to answer take my last offer, which also relates with the current Blago affair & the way the RNC should deal with it:
Q: when the Chicagio U hospital was queried about Michelle Soetero’s sudden raise of $250.000 just days after Barry Soetero was elected for the US Senate, the hospital answered to the effect that “Michelle deserves the money, and all other 16 board members got the same raise at the same time”.
Now, we have a 15 more people getting a $250.000 rise, which gives us a total of $3.25 millions for sitting in a board – nice payroll page for a non profit University Hospital.
Vivo, can you name and show who else besides Michelle Soetero got that kind of raise at that time at the Chicago U hospital? Emmanuel’s wife?
And was that “change we can believe in” ghost hovering over the affair? Or was it Hillary’s spirit presiding over the entire thing – remember, Hillary herself made a, quite surprising kill, on the commodities market there some years ago.
43. misanthropicus:
“the vetting process in this situation is ENTIRELY done by the party that supports/registers the candidate for presidency – believe it or not.”
I didn’t know that. Then I’ll do as you: wait and see.
But, aside from the technicalities, I believe Obama will be a good president.
44. misanthropicus:
If what you’re saying is true, something is fishy. But again, is somebody going to make an unbiased investigation? Meanwhile, it sounds like smearing. Why can’t people say something only after they have ALL the facts?
Republicans do not/ will not get any slack from the media, therefore they cannot get away with many of the things the DNC does. The secret, ironically enough, is to avoid letting partisanship intrude into scandal. This is not a matter of national security, but a scandal involving the home state of the newly elected President. People will not respond to an obviously partisan attack on a recently elected President, but they will respond to arguments that the American people deserve the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth, and that any action/ decision which even may conceal the truth from the American people should be challenged.
Republicans would also do well to emphasize that, while there is no evidence of wrongdoing on Obama’s part, it is best to bring everything out into the clear promptly so that this issue doesn’t interfere with the success of his administration. The GOP makes much better progress when they are seen as working on behalf of ALL Americans, not just the one’s they agree with.
ENOUGH ABOUT BEING “NICE”. MCSHAME DIDNT WANT TO MENTION HUSSIENS MIDDLE NAME,DIDNT WANT TO BRING UP “REV” WRIGHT, DIDNT WANT TO DISCUSS AYERS. HE WANTED TO BE “CIVIL”. LOOK WHAT IT GOT HIM. BUSH WANTED TO SET A “NEW TONE” IN DC. LOOK WHAT IT GOT HIM. FUUNY ,BUT WHEN A REPUB BREAKS THE LAW, THEY FACE THE CONSEQUENCES. IVE SEEN NO SUCH CONSEQUENCES FOR THE LIKES OF JIM MCGREEVEY, ELIOT SPITZER, BOB TORRICELLI(HE WAS REWARDED INSTEAD), THE LADY IN OHIO WHO VIOLATED JOE THE PLUMBERS RIGHTS, TED KENNEDY IN THE MARY JO KOPECHNE AFFAIR, CHARLIE RANGEL, HARRY REIDS SHADY LAND DEALS, ALCEE HASTINGS(AN IMPEACHED FEDERAL JUDGE NO LESS) WILLIAM THE REFRIGERATOR JEFFERSON, BRIAN MAHONNEY, DIANE FINDSWINE AND HER HUBBYS GETTING GOVT CONTRACTS STEERED TO HIM BY HIS WIFE, JOHN MURTHAS CORRUPTION FOR MANY YEARS. AND THE ENTIRE CHICAGO MACHINE WHICH SOMEHOW ALWAYS MANAGES TO STOP SHORT OF WHATEVER MAYOR DALEY HOLDS THE OFFICE. SO SPARE ME THE “NICE” BALONEY. LEO DUROCHER WAS RIGHT WHEN HE SAID NICE GUYS FINISH LAST.
RE #46/vivo: “[...] But again, is somebody going to make an unbiased investigation? Meanwhile, it sounds like smearing. Why can’t people say something only after they have ALL the facts? […}”
vivo, I and countless others would love to have a closer look at the documents in cause and come with a fair and objective review – yet NOTHING IS AVAILABLE! All the documents I mentioned in my post #38 (which are just a few from a longer list), are SIMPLY UNDER LOCK.
Anyone who wanted to examine McCain’s equivalent records had ample opportunity to do so, courtesy to RNC and the McCain campaign – ALL, ALL RECORDS, no exception.
Yet no record concerning Obama’s intriguing career is available, and his group’s attitude in this matter adds to the awkwardness of this situation – so far they have already racked close to $1 million in legal fees, and this strictly for stonewalling! Why did they chose this costly venue when there are much simpler and winsome ways to handle this?
So, no wonder that rumors, frustrations and calls for clarification are growing, and the political costs of this strategy will be soon recognizable.
So, again, am I wrong to use the name of Soetero instead of Obama? Obviously not, the lack of forthcoming of the One who is the object of this justified scrutiny justifies my onomastical choice – and we’ll sure learn more about this.
49. misanthropicus:
Your hands are tied, my hands are tied. The problem seems to be that the lawyers don’t have a clear picture of the legalities about what is a “natural born citizen”. The Constitution did not define clearly what that is.
So i say, let them earn their pay and waste money finding out something just to get rid of the guy. If there is no money, nothing moves. Maybe they create an Amendment an elect Arnold president one of these days . . .
Oh, yeah! Arnold for 2012!! . . .
How great it would be if our leaders exercised honesty?
http://thenma.org/blogs//index.php/libertyforusa/2008/12/19/the-new-forked-tongue
I think the republicans should be polite and quiet so that a democrat can emerge and take credit for cleaning up the mess in Chicago. It won’t help the republicans any and may even hurt them, but at least they won’t be ham fisted.
have a nice day