Former CIA Agent in Iran Comes In from the Heat
[Editor's note: PJ Media has spoken with "Reza Khalili's" attorney in Washington, D.C. who confirmed Khalili "had a working relationship with a US intelligence agency." We have also seen a copy of the June 5, 2008 email sent by the agency's "Manuscript Review" department authorizing the publication of this article.]
In an interview with Roger L. Simon, “Khalili” further amplifies his accusation of Iranian involvement in Lockerbie and addresses the controversial question of whether the Shiite mullahs would form alliances with Sunnis. A transcript of the interview is here. More interviews with “Khalili” in disguised video form will be coming in the future from PJM. ]
The men who ordered the destruction of the Pan Am flight over Lockerbie and the bombings of the Marine Corps barracks in Lebanon, the Jewish community center in Buenos Aires, and the Khobar Towers in Saudi Arabia are pursuing the nuclear program in Iran and with one goal in mind: to obtain The Bomb.
And they want to destroy you.
After the Iranian Revolution, I was an officer in the Revolutionary Guards. I was also a spy working for the CIA, code name Wally. My position in the Guards gave me access to the Khomeini regime’s deep secrets and a firsthand look at the unfolding horror: torture, rapes, executions, assassinations, suicide bombers, training of terrorists, and the transfer of arms and explosives to other countries to support terrorist attacks. I risked my life and my family’s trying to expose this regime because I believed it should be stopped. Once again I incur such risks to bring awareness that lack of action endangers the world.
In the mid-80s, I reported to the CIA that the Revolutionary Guards’ intelligence unit had information that Saddam Hussein had made a strategic decision to acquire nuclear arms. I heard this from several sources within the Guards and also in a conversation with a member of the intelligence unit, who told me that the Guards were informed through arms dealers in the black market that Saddam was desperately looking for an atomic bomb. It was then that the Guards’ commanders and Iranian leadership decided to go nuclear and actively shop for components in the black market because they made a determination that the Iran-Iraq war could not have been won without a nuclear bomb. Mohsen Rezaei, then-commander of the Revolutionary Guards, requested permission from Ayatollah Khomeini to make Iran a nuclear power. Khomeini agreed.
Some years later, while I was stationed in Europe working for the CIA, I met with three Iranian agents who were shopping for nuclear parts. The agents confirmed what I had heard through the Guards: that Hashemi Rafsanjani had promised retaliation for the downing of an Iranian civilian jet by a U.S. warship over the Persian Gulf on July 3, 1988, toward the end of the Iran-Iraq war. According to the U.S government, an inexperienced crew mistakenly identified the Iranian Airbus as an attacking F-14 fighter; 290 people were killed. The agents said it was Rafsanjani who ordered the bombing of Pan Am Flight 103 over Lockerbie, Scotland on Dec. 21, 1988, which killed 270 people. They also talked about involvement of a Palestinian man and the radio transmitter that carried the bomb, information that I passed on to the CIA. I made an assessment at that time that Iran had ordered, through surrogates, the bombing of the Pan Am flight.
There was not much of a follow-up on Iran’s involvement in that incident because Rafsanjani had become the president of Iran, and my CIA contact told me to consider Rafsanjani the new king of Iran. It was apparent to me that President George H.W. Bush was going to support and trust Rafsanjani as the new ruler of Iran. He was promised cooperation and good relations by the mullahs, and the U.S. administration and the CIA in turn were convinced that the mullahs were open to a new chapter in Iran-U.S relations.
I believed then, as I do now, that the mullahs would never abandon their ambitions, and that after 29 years of negotiations by Europe and world powers, the world has yet to understand that the mullahs will not change direction or behavior. In the early ’90s, the senior Bush administration and the CIA finally realized they were being duped — the mullahs’ promises never materialized. The CIA asked me to look for an Iranian who could testify that Iran was in the process of making a nuclear bomb. That request was later withdrawn.
Iran remains the main sponsor of terrorism around the world. Iranian consulates, embassies, airlines, and shipping line offices are the main hub for terrorist activities. Money, arms, and explosives are transferred through these centers to fund terrorist groups and jihadists. Quds Force units of the Revolutionary Guards use the Iranian consulates as their command and control centers to plan and carry out assassinations, kidnappings, and terrorist activities. The mullahs even transferred money and arms in state visits using their high-ranking officials, knowing full well that because of diplomatic immunity they would not be subject to search during such visits. As I reported to the CIA, these activities were closely coordinated through Iran’s foreign ministry, the ministry of intelligence, and the Revolutionary Guards.
And then there is the Syrian connection, which facilitates the Revolutionary Guards in training and arming Hezbollah, based in Lebanon, and Hamas, based in the Palestinian Territory. Syrian facilities and political channels are at the Revolutionary Guards’ disposal, expanding their terror network. The mullahs not only support Syria with massive financial aid in hundreds of millions of dollars but also share missile-delivery technology and other military armaments. The Quds Force leadership is in close contact with Syrian military leaders, coordinating terrorist activities throughout the Middle East.
SO GHWB trusted the Iranian Mullahs?
I wonder if Mr. Khalili would comment on the issue of Russian involvement with the Khomenist regime, and not just its well-known support for Iran’s nuclear regime. Not only does Russia supply Iran with many weapons systems, including ballistic missiles and tactical gear for its military, but it also provides military and logistical support for Syria, and through these Hezbollah. Russia has also welcomed HAMAS to the Kremlin. Amir Tahiri has also reported that Russia and Iran quietly reaffirmed what amount to mutual defense treaties original signed during the early 20th century, apparently with an eye to US or Israeli operations. And I think I’m leaving some things out.
But the more I pursue my interest in Soviet behavior up to the present – as much as I am able to do so – the more I am alarmed at the public silence with respect to Russian geostrategic and regional maneuvors, all of which seem to be treated with an air of “Oh that incorrigible Russia, they’re just dicking around there out in the Asiatic hinterlands.” If even half of what I read among defectors and recently vindicated historians of Russia/USSR is true, there is absolutely no way Russia isn’t ultimately (weapons, coordination) behind a lot of this south-Asiatic (and North Korean) nonsense.
If you could comment Mr. Khalili we’d be grateful. Thank you for your courageous service sir.
Russia is having its own troubles with Islamic expansion into its southern provinces….its continued politice niceties with Iran, as well as continued arms sales to Islamic nations, must come from the same deep well of human stupidity as that of various US administrations.
At what point does the MSM pick ANY of this up? This is chilling and very scary.
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Exactly! The mullahs’ true intention is to obtain nuclear bomb. That is the only thing that will ensure their survival. Nothing else will do.
“must come from the same deep well of human stupidity as that of various US administrations”
soviet control over its southern islamic regions was established and maintained relatively easily, not least by coopting the instruments of administration and controlling cultural expression in the usual way. moreover, even reviewing a history of the soviet-afghan war demonstrates the success the soviets had in exploiting the real mechanisms of tribal, Asiatic societies – that is cupidity and venality – despite the claims of mullahs (whose motives are the same). many warlords were easily purchased; subsequent moves funded and armed anti-masud forces. there is some question as to what exactly the chechen leaders represent – a strategic bluff? an islamic movement? a nationalist movement forced by russian onslaught to adopt an islamic appeal? the odd dictators of the former central Asian SSRs could not but be Communists and former KGB apparatchiks in other clothing. is there no provision of weapons and other aid to the Pashtun tribes destabilizing Pakistan, frustrating Afghanistan’s tentative rebirth, providing al Qaeda and its various (e.g. Uzbek) allies with support? that would be utterly unlike russia, where the kgb reigns just as it did for at least 40 years prior to Soviet dissolution, if not more.
what of the shanghai cooperation organization? what of provision of nuclear technology, ballistic technology, and valuable diplomatic cover for Iran?
and then what about Europe’s incredible, and increasing, dependency on Russian fuel? what about European NATO’s almost complete, and certainly unprecedented, disarming? what about its demonstrated dysfunction, not least in afghanistan? what about its demonstrated diplomatic dysfunction in relation to Iran negotiations over the past 4 years – precisely when it was given the chance it so loudly declared it never had regarding iraq, whose proceeds have so deafeningly vindicated the evil american neocons expectations of such an engagement?
and in all this, silence, really, about russia and its intentions – except about its horrible demography and health, which of course have always been the case, from time out of mind, and so counts for little, strategically.
and so on.
the russian strategy may look self-defeating in some of its aspects – why would it want a nuclear iran on its southern border? – but americans and many of the “innocents” on the left seem to underestimate the organizing power that certain murder can provide. i mean, c’mon, it’s practically the governing principle in the asiatic political sensibility – what, for example, is the penalty for apostacy in islam, again?
so i’m curious if mr. khalili could provide some more specific pinions to all this speculation.
And none of this would be happening were it not for the behavior of Israel & the USA.
This sounds like a lot of B.S. Reminds me of “Curveball” and his made-up nonsense. The Iranians downed PanAm 103? C’mon — that was the well-socumented works of the Libyans. This guy is blowing smoke. Too bad you fell for it.
Traven, B: I have no idea to extent he is “blowing smoke,” but I suggest you examine the transcript of my interview with him linked above.
rob: are you kidding, Isral and the USA??
Ok so i have been hearing about how evil the war monging neo-cons are.
But heres what i really think.
As long as we continue to Import Oil from the mid-east, WE WILL CONTINUE TO INVADE AND BOMB NATIONS for oil. I don’t care who’s in office. Unless you work for code pink or you are Dennis kuscinich.
The US imports 1/3 of its oil from the mid east. Other places like china import as much 50% or more from the mullahs. In case you have had your head in the ground, you would understand that China IS the US economy. From t-bills to trade deficits to importing poison in place of toys to food…in other words they have us by the balls.
Iran’s exports to China grew 16 percent in 2003, making it the latter’s No. 2 oil supplier after Saudi Arabia, according to Chinese government figures.
China’s economy expanded 9.3 percent last year and is growing at a 9 percent rate this year, according to President Hu Jintao. The country’s oil needs could almost double again, to 11 million barrels a day, by 2010, according to a report by Merrill Lynch & Co.
WE HAVE NATIONAL INTERESTS IN THE AREA.
Why should we stop stop stop Iran??
um.. well, If you have been listening to Iranian president Achmadinajad*, you would understand that this guy is a lunatic.
Apart from wanting to wipe the Israelis out, they want to bring back the 12th Imam.
the question is when is the Imam supposed to return?
Twelver Shi’as cite various references from the Qur’an and reports, or Hadith, from Mahdi and the twelve Shi’a Imams with regard to the reappearance of al-Mahdi who would, in accordance with God’s command, bring justice and peace to the world by establishing Islam throughout the world.
“During the last times, my people will be afflicted with terrible and unprecedented calamities and misfortunes from their rulers, so much so that this vast earth will appear small to them. Persecution and injustice will engulf the earth. The believers will find no shelter to seek refuge from these tortures and injustices. At such a time, God will raise from my progeny a man who will establish peace and justice on this earth in the same way as it had been filled with injustice and distress.”
If Iran gets the nukes, they will put the whole middle east in check. the mullahs intend to plunge the world int chaos. when that happens the west will fall to its knees.
How will they bring the west to its knees?
China ownes out T-bills(over $1 Trillion)
China almosts feeds the US
Apert from Russia, wstrn europe also gets oil from the mullahs. If there is a problem, IT WILL AFFECT CANADA real bad. now what does canada have to do with this?… the UK is one of the big players of the EU. the UK also shares a very special relationship both politically(the queen) and economically(trade). In 2007, Canada and the US traded over $500 Billion of stuff with each other. Imaging if there is a sudden halt to the current remedy.. the Stock market will drop by like 5k in one day, we would be looking at like $300 per barrel. at home here, we would be looking at like $8per gallon or more.
I know some of you would say AIPAC, the bankers and the Military complex are lobbying the US into Iran, but try looking at the bigger picture.
I DON’T KNOW HOW MUCH MORE I CAN SAY THIS, BUT WE CAN’T LET THEM HAVE NUKES.
Well some of you non-interventionists could say umm well Israel has nukes.. Israel is yet to promise to wipe out any of its neighbors.
OR
you could say eh.. the founding fathers were non-interventionists, then i will have to remind you that back then, the Founding Fathers didn’t have interests in other nations. In other words, they were quite self-reliant. There was no need to import oil, they didnt depend on china for toys, and weren’t in debt at the rate at which the US is no right now.
Our tolerance for intolerant nations will be the end of us. Christians are slaughtered over there but we bend over to put booties on the dogs in airports to not offend the muslums. Atoms for electricity in Iran is crazy. Do you believe that? Simple, we nuke them before they nuke us. But we won’t we’ll negotiat with those liars until they have the bomb, then we’ll say please don’t, then the mushroom over Manhattan. Why wait? It’s going to happen. But we won’t. The tipping point is months away. Israel will not wait. They are smart, pragmatic, realistic and best of all not stupid like us.
Yep. “Curveball Part. 2.” Traven’s got it pegged.
Wake up, folks. Nothing makes less sense than building a rationale for war on one guy’s testimony. But I can already see plenty of people are eating this stuff up. Again.
Exactly as planned.
“And they want to destroy you.” (*insert sinister laugh*) Yeah, I’m convinced. Come on, people!
This is one angry Republican whose patience is wearing thin. You all can be willing dupes again if you want, but I’ll be sitting this one out.
>> And none of this would be happening were it not for the behavior of Israel & the USA.
Did you even READ the article? The ENTIRE article states very clearly that the MOTIVE is NOT based on Israel’s or US’s foreign policy but to bring about the 12th Imam.
According to the article you didn’t read, YOU are a successful dupe of their propaganda.
Everything written here is allready publicknowledge .
If all of this is true, then history will probably show that the move to become involved in Iraq was courageously strategic and not so ‘cavalier’ as most beleive. It may also show that despite the great cost, it acheived a high degree of effectiveness.
I’m not surpirsed that this article would get CIA approval, if not outright collusion.
It fits right in with the -ramping-up-to-war–with–Iran the Bush administration is presently orchestrating.
What I doubt is how factual the article is.
Spreading misinformation to achieve government objectives is certainly not new in our country now. It was practiced by the JOhnson adminstration in the “cointelpro” program exposed during the Nixon years. The practice was supposedly ended in the 1970s, along with assasination plots on foreign political figures, but the Bush adminstration has undone all those protections.
He is determined to attack Iran before Jan. 21, 2009, and will do anything to convince the american public it is necessary.
Congress has already biven him some of the authority he needs, just like in Iraq, with democratic support.
This has been reported for 15 years on http://www.thetrumpet.com.
I consider this the single most important news site on line regarding current events.
Mr. Khalili describes the political and military strategy of Iran in the context of their religious escatology – end times prophecy. In my opinion, his clear description of the powers that now rule Iran point to a theology that cannot and will not be stopped unless the entire country of Iran is turned in to an ash heap sooner rather than later. I do not say this lightly. This is a very sober statement that I’m confident only the Israelis take serious enough to implement.
Here in lies the problem, we are fighting a global religious war and the civilized world is pretending it is a war on terror(ism). The proof is in the methods that these fanatical religious killers are willing to employ while cloaking their intentions in lies, deception and “negotiations.”
America and Europe have become post-christian societies that are governed by people who can’t and won’t think in theological terms while Muslim nations have become hyper-theocracies. Even our so called moderate Arab friends in Saudi Arabia are the #1 promoter of radical Wahabism in the very fabric of their land and beyond.
I’m sad to say the world as we know it is on a collision course with the most radical, destructive theology the world has ever seen. Mr. Khalili is right, while we’re preoccupied in Afghanistan and Iraq the perfect storm of death is brewing that will make 9/11 look pale in comparison.
Hey Rob….. guess what…. it is not the US or Israel. They would be doing this regardless. The Quran stated goal is to subject the middle eastern govenments under Islamic Law, then they turn their sights on the rest of the world. Read the Quran and Haddiths and find out what their battle plan is all about. Don’t go to the PC Press to get your knowledge…. read it for yourself.
A yes – Curveball, the “only source of information” that Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction. Nevermind that not even Hans Blix could declare Saddam compliant with UN resolutions on the very eve of the 2003 invasion – no no, mustn’t remember that. Nor the preceding decade’s worth of drama. Never happened – all Curveball! And since we haven’t found the stockpiles, they must not have ever been there – never! The entire US military-industrial complex was staked on the word of one Iraqi double-agent. And since he was wrong (he duped us, but also, we wanted to be duped!) – since he was wrong, intelligence can never prove the malicious intent of any enemy! Never ever ever! Waaaaaaaaaaah!
You guys are sincerely f-cking moronic. You have absolutely no idea about other countries or their governments, do you? All of you – ALL of you – useful idiots for people who absolutely despise you and hold you in contempt. And I am not, of course, referring to Republicans, who you seem to believe are your only enemies. What disgraceful pieces of crap you all are.
Ever since Jimmy Carter UnDemocrat extrordinaire cowered in indecision in 1979 I have felt it is only a matter of time before there is war between us and Iran. Liberals always put off the hard work to responsible adults. In this case they seem determined to deal with Iran only when they have a nuke. We really should have just bludgeoned them to death in the 80′s. The day will come…appears they just can’t leave well enough alone.
Ummm…”end times prophesy” are the stuff of right wing evangelicals and not Shia. Don’t be a hater.
I’m not buying this for a second. This is the same bull they tried to feed us before the Iraqi invasion. Do you guys remember that? The media was given stories by the CIA from Iraqi refugees that helped to push public opinion in the direction they wanted… problem was, those refugees had FAILED lie detector tests. It was a ruse, plain and simple and so is this. I’m not drinking the Kool-Aid, not this time. Search for a very famous quote from Herman Goerring about how easy it is to manipulate the masses into fighting a war that will not benefit them at all. It’s all about making money for the Bush Administration’s friends, period. That’s what it’s always been about and that is what this is about, too. They want to build a pipeline and they need Iran to do it. Problem is, it’s a fool’s pipe dream, no pun intended. There’s NO WAY the people of the middle east would let it come to fruition.
Rob,
Islam and it’s practioners have been “at war” with Infidels for 1500 yrs. Long long before the US and Isrial existed. Our actions have nothing to do with it.
Read “Epicenter” by Joel Rosenburg. He feels that the US will be nuked with scud missles launched from container ships. Imagine 4 container ships 200 miles off the US coast. Once launched, it would take 5 minutes to hit coastal cities such as Seattle, DC, LA, & NY.
Sound far fetched? (1)Hezbollah HAS the ability to launch a scud missle from a container ship. (2)In Pakastian last month a scientist was placed under house arrest for providing advanced plans for a nuke warhead that WILL fit on top of a scud missle.
Why do you think they want to do this? The same reason that some mullah gave to T. Jefferson when he asked why our unarmed merchant ships were being stolen and our sailors were being imprisoned: “The Koran gives us permission to attack Infidels where ever they are”. (think “shores of Tripole”)
These are evil people that must be dealt with for they can not be reasoned with.
baloney. Where were you 5 years ago when the US was deciding who to attack after Afghanistan? Obviously Iran would have been a better target than Iraq, no? Personally I don’t believe you, because I can just as easily claim to be a spy in the Revolutionary Guard, it’s just words, but I digress.
Let’s say you are telling a kernel of truth, so what? Mutual Assured Destruction still exists. If Iran ever attacks the US or Israel our nuclear retaliation will be so massive that Perisan civilization will cease to exist, people will tour Iran like they do Pompei, glimpsing into a world and people that no longer exist.
Don’t buy into the religious dogma the Iranian leadership spouts, it is only meant to control their people and scare their softer enemies. Iran has a ruling elite which hold the same ultimate goal that all ruling elites do- power, wealth, and control forever. Launching a nuclear war would be suicide and they’d lose everything they hold dear.
Stategically speaking, nuclear weapons are not offensive weapons, they are defensive weapons. If you possess nuclear arms, other countries will be afraid to attack you, thus you stay in power. In a (MAD) world, nuclear offense is suicide if you are the one initiating it.
Iran’s primary enemy is neither the USA nor Israel, it is Saudi Arabia, its religious, political, ethnic, and regional competitor. Their models of an Islamic state are both at odds, the existance of one contradicts the other. Iraq is a open battlefield between these states, and the conflict there is a proxy war between the Saudis and Iran.
Keep believing the big lies, Dan. I’m still a Republican (barely; the LP is starting to look pretty good…), and I’m mad as hell at my party and my government.
The biggest problem I have with Mr. Bush’s presidency–aside from the Iraq fiasco and his love of executive power–is how he has managed to convert the entire Republican party into a mass of quivering, unquestioning fools, ninnies who can’t form an opinion without first consulting Rush or Hannity, who in turn can’t form an opinion without first receiving talking points from government “officials.”
And what are those talking points? “Be afraid! Be afraid! Be afraid!”
Most Republicans now reflexively believe EVERYTHING coming out of Washington. Ten years ago was a completely different story. Questioning the federal government was the very foundation of Republicanism. You can blame 9/11 for “changing everything,” but you’re being dishonest.
Republicans have come to love big government power every bit as much as liberals. And now that we’re in control, some Republicans think we can use that power “better” than the liberals–particularly when it comes to foreign affairs. What a joke. Especially all the folks like you, Dan, who love to play armchair general, the “keyboard warriors” who talk tough while others bleed for their mistakes.
In case you people haven’t noticed, your government LIES TO YOU. A lot. But keep on believing the big lies. That’s what “true patriots” do, right? Never question the government?
If it’s true, there is no doubt we will have to attack them but we must demand full inspections and then a blockade first. It should be done as a coalition as it will take weeks and thousands of air-strikes to destroy all their sites. As for Dan, you’re the moron because 520 TONs of “yellow cake uranium” were just removed from Iraq to Canada.
The Western Societies and Politicians are apathetic on any type of contraversy with the Islamic Nations. They are aware of their intent just as they are aware of the fragile economy within their own country. Most of the civilian society doesn’t want to know or believe that these are true and will close their mind to such thoughts. People basically want to live for today and worry about tomorrow when it comes. Part of this is the complex lifestyles we all have today and another is the refusal by the MSM to tell the public what is really going on throughout the world.
Two years ago, 8/8/06 to be exact, Bernard Lewis wrote a riveting op ed in the Wall St. Jrnl. I urge you to find it and study it because it explains in chilling simplicity what the Islamists believe and why they know that they will be the winners in a global confrontation.
The CIA agent Name? My bet he is Mossad and is making it all up. His name could be Avi Goldstein. All B.S
hass – You sir are the height of ignorance! Is escatology too big of a word for you? Do you really do think the whole world revolves around your Fritos and a six pack, 4th grade mentality? Or are you the classic liberal socialist elitist that looks down their nose at those of us “who cling to our guns and religion and have antipathy for those that are not like us” – Barrack Hussein Obama
I rest my case against you and the political hacks like you! Post-christian, secular, liberal socialists that respond like the dog that barks to feel his tail jerk.
Well, the world of Islamic theocracies have news for you and the message is – “You are just the kind of dog that is worse than a disgusting pig that we want to exterminate while your family watches and send you back to the pit of hell where you were born!” Who’s the hater now?
Now if this sounds like right wing evangelical end times prophecy to you then I must say you may very well deserve the consequences of your ignorance. You obviously won’t stand up and defend what is good, honorable and constructive so don’t stand in the way of those who will.
This information coming from a former CIA agent? I wonder, was he on duty with all the thousands of other agents on 911? America has not been threatened, only Israel. And remember, they have God on their side, so why are any of you out there worried about them? Government was designed to work for the people, not the other way around. For those out there who do not question your government, you would then believe anything they tell you. And one wonders why we have so many idiots in this country.
Folks, you can stop worrying! Obama is going to negotiate with these nice people, and then we can all just get along with each other.
dan said it best….”useful idiots”.
I guess 550 metric tons of yellow cake uranium transferred out of IRAQ just isn’t enough to convince the code-pinko-commie types. Idiots. Where is the coverage from the MSM on all of this? Oh-yeah…they are too busy covering for Hussein Obama.
and then hass said:
“Ummm…”end times prophesy” are the stuff of right wing evangelicals and not Shia. Don’t be a hater.”
Dude…pick up a book before you open your stupid trap. Read the quran for a while and then get back to us when you’ve smartened up a little. Oh and by the way….they are the haters….not us dimwit.
rphillips- If the Bush administration is ramping up for war with Iran they’re doing a pretty crappy job. Probably not a good idea for the NIE to report they have no evidence of Iran creating nuclear weapons. Not to mention their lousy job of publicizing Iran’s role in international terror and Iraqi insurgence.
wow – this article really got me thinking about the strategies involved in carrying this all out. i want to ask the question as to whether or not we were even listening to reza during his involvement. what is scary to me is that really, this all goes back to the iron curtain. i think russia has much more involvement in this than they would be willing to take credit. it seems possible that they would arm a region with weapons, money and proliferation in order to sit back and watch us deal with it. why fight your enemy when you can passively watch at the sideline? now, this assumption could be way off, but it just seems logical. it also seems scary.
i know the rest of the world has entirely different and drastic views that differ from mine, but personally, i’d really just like to build a wall around our country and keep everyone out. let israel act on its own and let the middle east burn. for thousands of years, nothing but oil and turmoil have come out of there it seems anyhow.
however, i’m part of a world wide community and i respect each countries individual sovereignty. if this is true, we need to force others to stand beside us and tell iran ‘shame on you’.
if not, armageddon couldn’t come sooner as the true state of this worlds’ existence is in true peril.
It does not matter what the United States or the Israelis do. The Iranians will do anything and everything to advance their stated and unstated goals, just like the former Soviet Union. I would suggest that some of you read Kissinger’s memoir. You may learn something?
I say this not to enflame or insult, but sincerely what I believe will be best for all the people of the world — Israel, Iran, Saudi Arabia, Syria, and Pakistan, should all be nuked into utter glass-parking-lot extinction, and the sooner the better.
>> Government was designed to work for the people, not the other way around
Which is WHY despite your stupidity, a Republican President has done his job and worked FOR YOU, instead of listening TO YOU and worked AGAINST your well-being.
McCann – “Launching a nuclear war would be suicide and they’d lose everything they hold dear.”
McCann your reasoning is a logical fallacy. It looks good on paper but during your intellectual slumber Ismlamic hyper-theocracies rule the Middle East and have flipped your MAD – mutually assured destruction THEORY out the window of Islamic reality.
What they hold dear my friend is not what you and I hold dear and is one more reason why they despise you & me. What they hold dear is their self appointed monopoly on god (little G)and his intentions for Islam to rule the world.
gb8898 – And what are those talking points? “Be afraid! Be afraid! Be afraid!”
This may sound good to you and your friends but I’ll bet you a plane ticket out of this country you can’t sight one example of even one time where “Be afraid! Be afraid! Be afraid!” were used as talking points. You put this phrase in quotation marks so go ahead give me the source of these talking point comments.
You can base your entire reality on the best last thing you heard from your liberal socialist friends but that doesn’t make it true.
According to your flawed reasoning, police departments and fire departments exist to instill fear in the gullible right wing, crime & destruction mongers who are controlled by the Bush family!
I’ve got news for you… bad people happen!
So according to your infinite wisdom
Who honestly believes the Iranian regime can be trusted? They are a sworn enemy of the US and have committed numerous acts of war against the US since 1979.
America’s leader’s reluctance to deal harshly with Iran the past 2 decades will be our downfall.
As did NK, Iran will get the bomb without us firing a shot, then we will be at their mercy as they use proxies to foment chaos around the world.
Israel is the trump card.
Iran is a very closed society and if you recall Clinton shutting down many of our existing CIA operatives in 95′, the quality of our information(“intelligence”) has declined, which partly makes me question the credibility here. If you read Doug Feith’s Book: ‘war and decision’ – you’ll see that our response tp 9/11 was well thought, not rash. Saddam was shooting at our planes constantly over the no fly zones. He had the capacity to make nukes. He was a sponsor of terrorism throughout the world. He was ripping off his own people with the oil for food program. He whack job sons liked watch dogs mawl innocent people. He used Chemical weapons against the Kurds. Should I go on? Russia was a higher priority before 9/11 b/c they HAVE nukes. I doubt whether Israel will attack Iran before the election. Iran is a threat. They knowingly have proxies set up carrying out murder. Tougher sanctions or a blockade would be a way to weaken the regime, but we can and should agree that their regime is not healthy for the world.
I liked the points made that we are dependent on many nations – China(T-Bills) and OPEC(oil). maybe we could pull a Russia or Argentina and default on all our debt? Just hit the reset button, declare Bankruptcy. There goes our superior status, but we get a clean slate. Oh wait, the world would collapse as we know it. China would rise up to number 1 status as they inevitably will – pop. of 1 Billion, thriving economy, growing military,… What would that be like? I speculate we will see a North American Union before that happens.
What the ignorant, geo-politically and military history illiterate Americans(IGPMHIAs)of the MoveOn.org, “Bush lied people died”, DailyKos paranoiacs, do not know, and are incapable to understand is that the present involvement of US forces in Iraq has everything to do with the Russians. Afghanistan and Iran are, and have been the southernmost periphery of Russian interests. Unfortunately, because of the IGPMHIAs, and international implications no president of the US whether it was Clinton, Bush, and Obama (Obama will join them soon wait ’till he gets that CIA briefing if he gets elected)is free to tell the American people that we are involved in a war of geo-political magnitude of which Afghanistan and Iraq are just fronts in a theater of operation. Obamaniacs are going to be so disappointed, if he goes to the White House, when he will pull a JFK on Iraq as JFK did on Vietnam and Cuba. The problem will be if Putin reads Obama as a weakling just like Kruschev read JFK.
BTW, the US Iran NIE DID NOT conclude Iran had stopped its nuclear weapons program-there are 3 elements to the program- developing bomb fuel, the warhead and the missile delivery system.
The NIE only concluded they stopped development on the warhead. Iran itself publicly admits continuation of the other 2 elements of the nuke program.
And, incidently, Iran already has a proven, workable bomb design, so the question is moot.
gb8898:
Yep. “Curveball Part. 2.” Traven’s got it pegged.
Wake up, folks. Nothing makes less sense than building a rationale for war on one guy’s testimony. But I can already see plenty of people are eating this stuff up. Again.
Exactly as planned.
“And they want to destroy you.” (*insert sinister laugh*) Yeah, I’m convinced. Come on, people!
This is one angry Republican whose patience is wearing thin. You all can be willing dupes again if you want, but I’ll be sitting this one out.
R U kidding me ? This is not a partisan issue. Iran saw the Iraq invasion to stir the pudding just as this CIA guy says……it’s not opion, it IS fact. Iran has lied to the world 5 times about nuclear intentions, so we are to now believe it’s just to power the lights in ” jihad Soccer stadium “…That’s naive.
It is great to be living in a country where everyone is free to express their opinion without being subjected to prison and torture. I thank every one who has commented on my article regardless of their position. My article states the facts about Iran as I see it and every word has been sincere and true as I have experienced it with my life on the line.Also,I went through much hardship to be able to publish this article (Risking my life again, knowing the Islamic agents will be looking) as there are responsibilities with what you say in relation with the agency. Now what most fail to understand is the mentality behind radical Islam, that failure includes the past four U.S. administration and many other in the world. Each of these governments look to Iran and the mullahs with their own interest in the Middle East and I am disappointed that the U.S. policies including the invasion of Iraq has played in to the hands of the Russians and the Chinese. The questions one needs to ask is, who would benefit from higher Oil&Gas prices, instability in the region, a weaker America both financially and militarily? The reason the Russians and the Chinese are happy with the mullahs is exactly that but they too have failed to understand that what applies to most dictators (They merely want to survive and rule) does not apply to the mullahs and I believe this miscalculation will cost every one dearly. While every one relies on the logic and believes that no one will be interested in their own destruction since if the mullahs acquire the Nukes and use it against the West then they surely know they would be wiped off the map but what do you do where logic does not apply, try talking logic to a suicide bomber.
God Bless.
Reza Kahlili(Correct spelling)
I’m sure Reza Chalablili is entirely beyond reproach. He sounds totally reliable. We certainly wouldn’t be taken in by yet another lying dissident with his own agenda. No sir, we have learned our lesson.
Jon,
You come across as a typical American. I see that you are then unable to see the big picture. I can also tell by your comment, that you would bow down before a man, and in the front of that man, and praise him. More power to you. When you awake one day from behind the barbed wire fences, you will then see the big picture. Enjoy your moment in the sun!!!
Hey look, it’s Curveball v2.0.
Just in time too.
forgive me if i missed something crucial, but i refuse to plow through this hsit.
this guy was so deep undercover but he comes out NOW…before bush’s next conquest and on top of that publicly releases his findings with everything but his home address attached?
impeach this utrd before he starts world war iii.
i will not have to explain my complicity one day. let history be YOUR judge.
LIBERTAS AB CHAO!
Apparently terrorism works very well with you Americans, which terror is intended to do through debating, arguing, and stalling you into inaction. All the while Iranians are splitting atoms in no less than 84 research reactors. Oddly, no reactors whatsoever have generators, or power lines coming from them. Whether Iran already has a few nukes, I don’t know, but if they did, it is not enough to start the chaos that the Mullahs desire.
This has all been prophecied in the Bible. It may be of interest to some of you to read Joel Rosenberg’s book EPICENTER. It is strange to see comments of how this is all Israel’s and America’s fault. Granted, our American Government has blundered horribly and has provoked a lot of hatred, but Israel’s crime is simply existing! When Hitler threatened world domination very few took him seriously. Thankfully, Churchill did, inspite of great ridicule and scorn. His sobermindedness and dogged determination to look at the threat with both eyes open literally saved Western Europe. Israel has been threatened with total annihilation and only has one option, and that is a preemptive strike for self survial. Enter the Apocalypse of the ages, the time the Bible describes as “men’s hearts failing them for fear”. The great judgement is at the door and life in America, in the very near future, will cease to exist as we know it. As everyone knows, the only deterent to nuclear war has been each nuclear nation’s desire for self preservation. Iran has no such desire. Their sincere and fervent religious belief, as restated in this article, is the need to create global chaos to bring about the appearance of their 12th Imam. The deire to push the red button is fervant, deliberate, and desperate to bring this figure onto the world stage. It matters not that you or I believe this is completely delusional. It only matters that those whose life’s goal and stated destiny is to fulfill this objective, believe it.
BOTH presidential candidates have stated flatly that Iran must not be allowed to obtain nuclear weapons…Obama, during his AIPAC speech, even went so far as to say he will do “everything’ to prevent it (he said this 2 times to applause)
Now is this a Republican-Democrat issue?
Iran will have enormous leverage with a nuclear capability but more important, it will use it if it believes it is in Iran’s best interest.
It will kick off a massive ME arms race which will eventually lead to war.
Everyone assumes the US will nuke Iran if it tests a bomb- hogwash. NK tested one…no US reaction.
Israel isn’t going to sit around and let this happen without a fight…their existence is at stake, nothing less.
Hey Mike. If one of your friends was threatened by a bully, would you stand up for them? What if that bully threatened to wipe your friend off the face of your neighborhood map? Based on your previous posting about Israel being the only country threatened by Iran, it is quite clear that you are one of the idiots living in this country. Where do you think the IEDs in Iraq are coming from? By the way, they aren’t just killing Americans, they’re also killing Iraqis. Questioning your government is okay and even good. Unfortunately you aren’t questioning. You just believe the government is lying to you automatically without questioning. It would beneift you and this thread if you spent at least 5 minutes researching before posting again.
Doc had it right.
To all you asinine Leftists who have your fingers in your ears while singing like little girls “I can’t hear you”, why don’t you do a little googling.
Everything this guy has reported is public information and should not surprise anyone who knows anything about Shiia Islam and the IRI.
In particular, look up “Twelver” or “Twelvers”. That is the sect of Shiia Islam that the regime in Iran holds to.
You idiots are so adsorbed with your petty American politics. Are you completely incapable of taking people from other cultures at their word? Well of course you don’t.. you are the moral superiors of everyone.. and since you think religion is meaningless you project the same view onto everyone else.
Well the folks in charge of Iran take their religion very seriously.
Clearly there is a percentage of Americans that want to try to militarily dominate countries that do not conform with US directions. This percentage–mostly Republicans–should select several states within the Union and move there. Then they should form a new country and raise their own taxes to pay for their ambitious war plans. The other states with the majority should not have to pay (through taxation or inflationary deficit spending) for the expensive plans of the few.
If the 12th Imam comes and invades the mainland US, at least there will be two Americas the Imam will have to face. One will probably be completely destitute from deficit spending to fight bizarre, pre-emptive wars; and the other will be wealthy and should be able to afford to repel the invasion of the 12th Imam.
Let us divide for our own good, warmakers to their few selected states and peacemakers to the other states…I obviously will move to a peacemaker state and hopefully God will hold to his promise to bless the peacemakers.
None of you people who disbelieve this guy get it: Islam vs. West makes the ideological battle between Communism vs. Capitalism ideological battle look like a game of 6 year olds playing T-ball. Economic ideology can’t hold a candle to the virulence of religious ideology, esp when it comes to eschatology (the end times). I believe this guy 100% because it makes sense from a religious perspective. But the West is basically a post-Christian society, so we don’t really understand religion anymore (except for Environmentalism, that’s our new religion, and it’s just as virulent), and so we don’t believe it when Islam says it wants to destroy the West. We’re so narcissistic, we think our preoccupation with poverty and equality is everyone’s preoccupation as well. But it isn’t. It has absolutely nothing to do with anything fundamentally economic. Economics is just an excuse. The religious poor could care less if they’re poor, so long as they’re going to heaven, and will do anything necessary to ensure that they are going to heaven. For Islam in general (but esp. Shia), that means destroying Israel and the West. And they will never stop until that is accomplished, because they can’t get to heaven if they don’t.
Myron,
You were told/read that the IEDs are coming from Iran and you apparantly believe that. I question the government all the time. I just do not believe the propaganda that comes out of the mouths of our elitists leaders as you do. If you are one of those who goes to church on Sunday, then why fear Iran? You would know that they cannot wipe Israel off the face of this earth. Blind faith in man will get you no where. We kill more of our own in this country than they are killing over there. So, who is the mightest, and most brightest nation of people on this earth? Why, it is us, the smart and intellectual Americans. We have the answers to everything and are never wrong about anything. Just like you Myron. Read the actual words about the comments about wiping out a Zionist state/government as opposed to what the MSM reported about wiping Israel off the face of the map. You might be surprised that you were lied to, but then again, you might not know the difference.
MAD only works if both sides are unwilling to accept the catastrophic damages and destruction that follows a nuclear exchange. If one side won’t accept the damage and the other side will accept the damage then the balance of MAD fails and an exchange becomes probable.
In this case the side that strikes first usually prevails if all other vectors and variables are equal.
My assumption here is that Iranians are willing to acecpt outrageous casualty rates arising from a nuclear exchange. even if it means the defacto end of Persian civilization.
Given that the Iranian Revolutionary Guards and the mullahs are willing to accept the terrible losses of a nuclear war; one must conclude based on their many actions and statements that they are preparing to fight such a war and that when their preparations are completed they will launch. Delay only weakens their chance of launching an effective surprise first strike and delay allows their foes the opportunity to start preparing a defence.
Besides, they are acting on a devine mission so they can not keep God waiting. The sooner the catastrophe starts then the sooner we can get to paradise.
Please remember that the Iranians are also struggling to establish their ” street cred” with the Arab street. Launching a successful first strike against Tel Aviv would force every Arab government to seriously consider coming over to the Iranian side. The Gulf States would face intolerable pressure to accept Persian hegemony as aresult of an attack on Isreal.
Therefore destroying Israel becomes an almost irresistable lure ot the mullahs. Since a single nuclear bomb detonating over Telaviv would effectively destroy Israel as a modern state, the Iranians have a vested interest in striking first before Isreal can react.
I really don’t think that the Iranian leadership is fazed about the costs of a total Isreali nuclear retalliation. Even if they Isrelis kill off 20 million Iranians that leaves 60 million Iranians who are mad as hell and who are out for blood.
Logically, the best case from Isreal’s point of view is to arrange a diplomatic compromise. Such a compromise is unlikely. Iran’s need to bring forth the 12th Iman is so deep and so insistent that all other considerations are secondary. Any result that does not lead to the distruction of Isreal is an uacceptaable outcome to the mullahs.
I suspect that the leadership has spent the last 30-40 years building redoubts and survival centers for its most trusted minions. They may trust in God but they are unlikely to take silly chances. The leaders, the military, key political functionaries, key opinion-makers, key knowledge workers, the rich and servant class will be given access to these redoubts. They will ride out the storm.
If so then I think that the chance of such a war is very great.
Once Iran has sufficient fissible material – say 500 pounds – then they can proceed with building a cluster of bombs in the 10-50 KTW range. They will need at least 20 nuks to be considered a creditable nuclear force.
I am divided as to whether or not Iran will detonate a nuclear device at some sort of test range. Detonating at a test facility makes some sense in order to demostrate their achievement and to terrify the MSM. After all where nukes are concerned credibility is key.
I tend to think that Iran will do one test because it multiples the fear factor. But Iran could decide to just go for broke and launch an attack immediately.
If Iran has not broken out into hostilities with the USA before it launches an attack on Israel then I think it will launch an attck on the USA at the same time.
The USA attack may be nuclear or it may just be a wave of terror bombings.
Once we start down this path it will be very difficult to stop or change course.
The Israelis will launch all of their nukes if Tel-avive is destroyed. Presumamblly the targets will be militarya nd political with in Iran. The difficulty is that many of the Iranian political and military (target) sites are located in or immediately adjacent to major urban areas. Consequently , they may end up destroying major population centers by proximity and un-intentionally rather than by design. Twelve million people live in Terheran. two or three 30 KT nukes would effectively kill or maim most of them. Iran has no b urn center infrastructure to deal with the horrible wounds arising from nuclear combat. As such many of ht ewounded would soon die of their injuries.
I expect that the Iranians will have distributed their entire inventory to secret depots so that they can continue to opperate for years to come.
In doing so the Iranians may be condeming their citizens to becomming pariahs. Iran’s victiums will hav eto assume that every Iranian is a potential .
Has anyone thought out that if a nuclear war was to break out hetween Iran and Isreal/U.S. that what oil is in the ground will be rendered “useless” for some time to come? Either way, we’re all screwed in the end. Insanity rules this crazy world. Perhaps it is inevitable that we humans are destined to destroy ourselves. No one, I repeat, no one, will escape the the horrors to come. Except the few survivors throwing their fishnets from a canoe far away from civilization that will look up at the sky and wonder where all those “silver” birds went that they sometimes would see flying overhead. A new beginning for Mankind? I doubt it.
But Neil, Lara Logan is having an affair and the new summer blockbuster line-up is so exciting!
The MSM is out to lunch on Iran and the threat it represents to US interests.
Don’t you know this kind of news doesn’t pay the bills at the networks?
A few of the responses on this thread are not surprising at all: they could be anticipated, right on cue. And you know the ones I mean. They lurk in the reeds awaiting topics like these so they can lob inane comments, or practice Muslim taqiyya, kicking sand in our eyes about Israel, U.S. imperialism, etc.
Mark my words. The Unholy Alliance of the Left and Islam is evolving and strengthening. We are facing not only a very sanguinary confrontation with Iran down the road, but also maybe even an internal civil war with the Islamic allies: the socialists, Marxists, Communists of all stripes, anarchists, and their train following dopes. We will have to deal with both, and circumstances will dictate who we have to fight first. I am far from alone in this perception. However, the Leftists have absolutely no clue that this confrontation is coming, and they are not prepared for it one iota. They think most Americans will just take it lying down, but they are in for a big surprise. They will lose militarily; they will be lined up against the wall. And the gallows await their leaders.
Faced with a choice of appeasement of the Islamic enemy or surviving as a free nation and a free people, most Americans will turn hard on the Left. The Left has no idea of the coming storm about to swamp them down the road.
Neil,
Please start your own country apart from this man’s America. When Islam was founded circa 500 AD. Israel didn’t exist as a country. Neither did the United States or Britain (the West). Therefore obviously the basic tenets of the religion could not have anything to do with destroying Israel or the West (which didn’t exist at the time of the founding of the Religion.
Also, Jesus (God) never tells Christians to attack Muslims yet He came to Earth to teach us how to live in a manner pleasing to him. Don’t you think if Jesus wanted you to focus your life on destroying Muslims that He would have at least mentioned it or taught a warlike mentality? Maybe Jesus (God) didn’t speak any words on fighting and combat operations, because He is all about forgiveness and not National Security.
What if we do nothing and the worst happens: The 12th Imam emerges as a nuclear power and nukes several US cities and Israel? How does that impact your ability to follow the verbatim teachings of Jesus?–which by the way is the only thing that matters.
Well I guess its true, Mikey WILL eat anything
Mike,
I feel sad for you. Your world is so lonely and disillusioned. First, the ‘right-wing’ government, the ‘left-wing’ media, and just about every half-intelligent person knows that the IEDs are coming from Iran. If you trust no one Mike, then where do you get your information from. Secondly, I haven’t killed anyone so I would like some facts and evidence about how ‘we’ kill more people over here then over there. I require these facts and evidence since I don’t trust you. Lastly, there have been many statements from Iran about wiping Israel off the map, but the only words that matter come from the Mullahs not Mahmoud. I will repeat again, more research is needed on your part before you post.
Curveball anyone? Just the question that he poses about the reason why the Iranians won’t take the “deal” offered to them by the Europeans. How about this for an answer…BECAUSE THEY KNOW THEY CAN GET MORE. The minimum deal would be a drop of U.S. sanctions and full resumption of diplomatic relations–neither of which has been offered by the U.S.. Unfortunately, now that they’ve mastered the technology, there probably isn’t a deal to be had any longer.
This guy is another Chalabi, duping dim-witted neocons into believing that Iran is suicidal. This despite the fact that they had never used CB (WMD) weapons until they were ATTACKED by Iraq.
When the armies of Allah fanned out from the Hijaz in the mid 7th century, there were indeed communities like those “Un-lincoln” advocates who were butchered by the Muslims. Some of those communities collaborated with the Muslims before the coup de main, allowing terrorists to ravage the state and taking action to undermine the state’s ability to resist the invaders.
The last thing people like “Un-lincoln” will see in this world, if they got their way and undermined our will to resist, would be the scimitar above their heads plunging downward.
That is how their erstwhile friends and allies intend to treat them.
Fred,
I assume you mean that round-ups and concentration camps will be necessary to subdue the anti-war crowd. Once cleansed, the remaining US population can then persue the war without reservations. As it drags on though, and becomes a financial/economic strain for the few remaining Americans, those in the concentration camps will be given less and less food. Ultimately, those in the concentration camps will be gassed, simply to take them out of their starving misery. For hygenic reasons, the bodies will then be burned, possibly in ovens. Hopefully, for you, the war will be won. Otherwise, at your war crimes tribunal you will plead that you were doing what you thought was best for your country. But the victor’s history books will write you off as a monsterous war-criminal.
Mike,
I feel sad for you. Your world is lonely and you are disillusioned. First, both the ‘right-wing’ govt and the ‘left-wing’ media (not to mention the military on the ground and in Iraq) all agree that the not only are the IEDs coming from Iran but that the military is actually intercepting shipments on the border. Secondly, I require some actually facts and evidence that ‘we’ kill more people over here than over there. Do you actually believe what you shovel out? Oh, that’s right, you only believe yourself. Well since I don’t have a blind faith in you, please provide some facts or evidence to back up your claims. Lastly, much has come out of Iran about wiping Israel off the map, but the only words that mater are those of the Mullahs, not Mahmoud. I repeat, do some research before you post. I can keep handing you your own butt all day buddy! By the way you didn’t answer my questions. Would you stand up for your friend?
Joshua: Every single day we’re reminded of how we’re constantly at risk of an attack that could come at a moment’s notice. Do you not pay attention to the news? Fear is the single greatest tool any government has at its disposal. It works phenomenally well in Iran and other parts of the Middle East, and it’s no different here in the U.S. It’s always used to gain more centralized government power, and the approach has obviously worked well on you and others on this blog. With regard to Iran’s nuclear ambitions, I keep waiting for the government to trot out the “We don’t want the smoking gun to be a mushroom cloud” statement. I’m sure there’d be plenty of people willing to parrot it around cable news and the blogosphere–all over again.
Remember the scary voice that taunted our ships in the Gulf a few months ago? Remember how everyone went ape-sh*t wanting to attack Iran because we were told it came from their boats? It turned out to be some loony with a CB having a laugh at our expense. We can think it’s funny now, but a lot of people took what the government told us at face value, without question, and they were ready to go to war that instant. A sad statement on gullibility.
You guys mock Obama (so do I, but for different reasons), saying we’ll be invaded and put under Sharia law if he’s elected because he wants to “talk” to the enemy. Can you not see how duped you are?
Oh no! Talking! We can’t do that–because we’re supposed to be AFRAID of “them.” Why did Reagan talk to the Soviets then? Why wasn’t “ATTACK!!!” the first and only option on the table when it came to the commies? Was Reagan a naive lib? Also, invasion of our nation from Islamic militants simply CAN’T HAPPEN. Ever. Unless you honestly think a flotilla of camels with IEDs strapped to them constitutes an invading Iranian naval force. Is your confidence in our armed forces and defense capabilities really so low as to suggest radical Islam is a greater threat to us than the Soviet Union was?
Police and fire departments don’t bombard us with daily “threat assessments” and terror levels. They don’t ramp up the hyperbole machine and then say they need more power to “protect” us from the bad guys. Our government, on the other hand, works incessantly to make sure we remember another terror attack is just around the corner. This tactic–instilling fear in the populace–has existed just as long as the concept of formal government, and that’s because it WORKS. It drives people to close their minds to anything but what the government tells them to do. You seem to feel comfortable living that way, Joshua, in which case you might actually enjoy a home in Iran. Feel free to call me a “bad Republican” or anything else if you wish, but I’ll choose reason and logic over blind submission to authority any day.
sorry about the double post, my comment didn’t show at first
It is pathetic the way all of you Chicken Littles live in fear of the scary brown people, buying into this obvious propaganda. Did he see any aluminum tubes during his stay in Iran?
Intervention is a total failure. The big question should be: Who cares?
You act like OBL and Friends are going to overthrow the US, yeah right. Let me know how it works out for them when they try and conquer over Texas.
The only people currently conquering our country are old world neoliberal communitarian banksters and their puppets, and they are moving right along while you hide under the covers from scary people on the other side of the planet.
@Myron
“I feel sad for you. Your world is lonely and you are disillusioned. First, both the ‘right-wing’ govt and the ‘left-wing’ media (not to mention the military on the ground and in Iraq) all agree that the not only are the IEDs coming from Iran but that the military is actually intercepting shipments on the border.”
Prove it. If there was real proof it would be all over the news nonstop 24/7, but there isn’t any. Most of the weapons in Iraq are being made, get this, in weapons factories inside Iraq. And the Dog and Pony show that Petraeus tried to put on doesn’t count. You know, the one where he was to show the world “evidence” that the IEDs were being manufactured in Iran, but when the time came for the Press Conference, it was observed that none of the weapons were, in fact, from Iran, but were from Iraq. They merely canceled the Press Conference and went about trying to find new ways to spread their anti-Iran propaganda.
Myron,
I would stand up for a friend. Israel is not a friend of the US. Wake up. I don’t get caught up in all the left/right talk. It divides the people, as I clearly can tell on these posts. Look at your daily homicide rates in the country that you feel is One Nation Under God. Look at the daily statistics of all the abortions that are committed daily in this country and in Israel. You honestly believe that God will continue to Bless this country? It should still amaze me that the people of this country still act as thought they can do no wrong, but it doesn’t. The law I believe in is delivered at the end of a Glock. That is the law, if you happen to stand on the right end of it. I’m not sure what planet you are from, but it would be in your best interest to wake up and get it right. Iran is a half a world away and yet we have people like you running the streets, right here in America that are more of a threat to me than Iran is.
@Myron
“I feel sad for you. Your world is lonely and you are disillusioned. First, both the ‘right-wing’ govt and the ‘left-wing’ media (not to mention the military on the ground and in Iraq) all agree that the not only are the IEDs coming from Iran but that the military is actually intercepting shipments on the border.”
LOL. What a pack of lies. Iran is providing the IEDs? People are still trying to use that Propaganda? Shouldn’t you be warning us about “Special groups” now, since that is the new propaganda line?
But like I asked before, Iran is providing the IEDs to Iran? Prove it. Real proof, not he said/she said lies. You can’t. If there was real proof it would be all over the news nonstop 24/7, but there isn’t any. Most of the weapons in Iraq are being made, get this, in weapons factories inside Iraq. And the Dog and Pony show that Petraeus tried to put on doesn’t count. You know, the one where he was to show the world “evidence” that the IEDs were being manufactured in Iran, but when the time came for the Press Conference, it was observed that none of the weapons were, in fact, from Iran, but were from Iraq. They merely canceled the Press Conference and went about trying to find new ways to spread their anti-Iran propaganda.
Myron,
What part of Israel are you from?
“Naturally, the common people don’t want war; neither in Russia nor in England nor in America, nor for that matter in Germany. That is understood. But, after all, it is the leaders of the country who determine the policy and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy or a fascist dictatorship or a Parliament or a Communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is to tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same way in any country.” –Hermann Goering
Several posters, most notably Fred, seem to be ardent fans of Herr Goering’s work.
For those that even have a hint of understanding of how MADD works know that MADD for the most part is useless in the case of Iran.
BEK477 has put of good points and I’m going to keep going in that line.
For iran its a huge win to nuke either/both the US and israel. MADD for anyone that understand current politics isn’t a major deterrent. The reasons are many.
First many in the US and the euro trash will say we can’t use nukes in return and if we do we must use Tact nukes and reduce/not use them on cities. Which means they pretty much can’t be used.
Many peace niks will say things like “think of the children” or its just irans leadership. These arguments will hold get sway and will heavily effect MADD response.
These things are know to iran… they know that MADD will be weakened against them.
Second no matter how justly the US or israel is in nuking iran and/or how limited those nuking are iran use it as a huge propaganda win for them. Their will be imagines of women and children dieing to the bombs and the radiation. Its also highly likely that many of these ppl will be staged and killed for the only reason to make video’s to show how the evil US/israel etc are and how the middle east must raise up against them.
Using these factors they believe that they can turn the whole of the middle east and muslims/arabs/middle easterners everywhere to raise up and attack the US, europe, etc.
gb8898 – Our government, on the other hand, works incessantly to make sure we remember another terror attack is just around the corner. This tactic–instilling fear in the populace–has existed just as long as the concept of formal government, and that’s because it WORKS. It drives people to close their minds to anything but what the government tells them to do. You seem to feel comfortable living that way, Joshua, in which case you might actually enjoy a home in Iran.
gb8898 you’re sounding more than just a little paranoid there buddy! If the government was out to get you they would have gotten you by now!
And based on my comments your opinion of me is… gb8898 said “It drives people to close their minds to anything but what the government tells them to do.”
Well BRAVO gb8898 you’ve figured me out. Now you and all of your America hating, U.S. Govt. hating, blame U.S. first friends can pat each other on the back since you’ve clearly solved all the worlds problems with your supreme intellect.
While you and Obama are having a cozy chit chat with Iran about “Why can’t we all just get along?” the rest of us simple minded, government controlled fear mongers will keep stirring up the hornets nest ’cause we’re all out to get ya!
gb8898 – You outslicked yourself on this one pal!
All you have to do is to tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same way in any country.” –Hermann Goering
Remember 9/11? We were attacked you fool!
I have no doubt Iran is heavily influenced by crazy religious extremists. I want to believe my government as well as those of stakeholders in the region will do the right thing in preventing those leaders from acquiring and using nukes. Consider that just like in America, there are many factions within Iran which don’t subscribe to the extremists. The Persians were once a great, even secular, nation. They can be again.
What is really in question here is the reputation of our leadership, their trustworthiness. Bush has so over-stepped executive powers, so infused the government with lackies because they are loyal, not because they are competent, that anything he proposes now is going to be scrutinized or simply disregarded out of hand. It’s maddening to me to know the Senate & House supported his FISA indemnity for the telecoms. I’m flabbergasted at how little debate occurred before they gave him great latitude to pursue a confrontation with Iran. What has he done to earn those wins other than offer us examples of subterfuge, propaganda, and fear-mongering.
And for the record, the USA overthrew the Iranian leadership in the 50′s. 1979 was blowback. Don’t pretend history with Iran started with Carter. It began with Eisenhower, just as Vietnam did. American hands are dirty and bloody on numerous occasions throughout history. Shall we also recount how after Saddam used chemical weapons in the 80′s, that the UN tried to pass a resolution condemning it..and that one of the nations with veto power kept that resolution from passing? And who was this leading nation that would dare to block the condemnation of Iraq/Saddam? Yep, America the Beautiful.
Don’t you get it people? The American government is as manipulative and power hungry as any on earth. Only We the People have a snowball’s chance to restore America’s prestige and trustworthiness. We haven’t been doing it for quite some time now. Without the high ground, even what appears to be the right thing to do gets pulled down into the muck. Obama, McCain, Clinton – it won’t matter which one is in charge. None can reform on his/her own. Until another major party arrives on the scene, or one of the two we have is gutted, the direction of America in the 21st century will stay off course from the ideals laid forth in the Constitution by the Founding Fathers nearly 225 years ago.
Stop playing superpower and just be a nation that seeks open trade and defends liberty for its people. Many scoff at the Russians and their attempts to become a superpower again-to be relevant-to have a seat at the table. Well folks, look in the mirror. What would America’s identity be if it was simply another Great Britain or France or Brazil rather than the world’s lone superpower? Could our egos live with not being the big dog?
Joshua, you and the government are not necessarily out to get me. I’m not that paranoid (yet!). But the government’s actions abroad are often deeply stupid, with unintended consequences for us here at home and for innocent people around the world. These actions are almost always the end result of an agenda meant to benefit the few with power at the expense of the many without it.
Calling attention to this is not “blaming America” (possibly the most overused phrase in our nation today), it’s blaming OUR GOVERNMENT. Mark Twain said “Patriotism is supporting your country all the time, and your government when it deserves it.” That’s what I adhere to, but it’s a belief which seems to upset a lot of my fellow Republicans now (even though we rarely supported the government during the 1990s; does anyone remember that fact?).
I realize it’s disconcerting to not trust the government 100%, but that is what is required of us as American citizens–at least if we’re going by what our Founders taught us. Abiding faith in the benevolence of government is always the foundation for tyranny.
“I feel sad for you. Your world is lonely and you are disillusioned. First, both the ‘right-wing’ govt and the ‘left-wing’ media (not to mention the military on the ground and in Iraq) all agree that the not only are the IEDs coming from Iran but that the military is actually intercepting shipments on the border.”
Interesting, since both our military and media have reported that we found workshops MAKING those very same IEDs IN IRAQ!!!
Joshua, I didn’t “outslick” anything. Did Iran attack us on 9/11? No, extremists from Afghanistan did–which is why I supported and continue to support the war in Afghanistan.
Do you believe Iran attacked us on 9/11? I certainly hope not.
“Remember 9/11? We were attacked you fool!”
So what you are saying is “enough with unnecessary wars against people who had nothing to do with 9/11, let’s go get Bin Laden”, right?
Jeff A,
If it were only so simple…just cover our heads and have the world leave us alone…now that is a solution to Iran’s obtaining nuclear weapons. What century are you living in?
Our ‘superpower’ status is all our fault? The world is the way it is because the US made it that way? Iran has been a corrupt, terrorist regime the past 30 years because of US manipulation?
Someone here earlier had it right…Iran will go on doing what it does, regardless if US/Israeli actions.
They are going nuclear, whether you think the US govt is fearmongering or not.
Nearly everyone in the US govt believes that is a clear and present danger to US national security.
Now, deal with it.
Any one read the news out of Tehran:
Tue Jul 8, 6:12 AM ET
TEHRAN (Reuters) – Iran will hit Tel Aviv, U.S. shipping in the Gulf and American interests around the world if it is attacked over its disputed nuclear activities, an aide to Iran’s Supreme Leader was quoted as saying on Tuesday.
“The first bullet fired by America at Iran will be followed by Iran burning down its vital interests around the globe,” the students news agency ISNA quoted Ali Shirazi as saying in a speech to Revolutionary Guards.
“The Zionist regime is pressuring White House officials to attack Iran. If they commit such a stupidity, Tel Aviv and U.S. shipping in the Persian Gulf will be Iran’s first targets and they will be burned,” Shirazi was quoted as saying.
Shirazi, a mid-level cleric, is Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei’s representative to the Revolutionary Guards.
“The Iranian nation will never accept bullying. The Iranian nation is a nation of believers which believes in jihad and martyrdom. No army in the world can confront it,” he added.
Most of the weapons in Iraq are being made, get this, in weapons factories inside Iraq.
No one, ANYWHERE, has argued that Iran is shipping fully-assembled IEDs into Iraq, like a truckload of new Hondas. They are, GET THIS, supplying MATERIALS and LOGISTICAL SUPPORT, asshat.
Or maybe you care to tell us all where the materials that are being used in constructing these devices are REALLY coming from?
Maybe the insurgents have a magic lamp that they rub, eh?
And the Dog and Pony show that Petraeus tried to put on doesn’t count. You know, the one where he was to show the world “evidence” that the IEDs were being manufactured in Iran, but when the time came for the Press Conference, it was observed that none of the weapons were, in fact, from Iran, but were from Iraq.
That was “observed”? Really? Where? Links please.
They merely canceled the Press Conference and went about trying to find new ways to spread their anti-Iran propaganda.
Wow! How damning! I’d love to see a link that corroborates that claim!
But no one will be holding their breath.
First to Chris, where have you been for the last year-and-a-half? The IED-Iran connection was proved over a year ago, not from a Press Conference that should have happened this week. And yes it was in the news. Also, I can’t prove without a doubt that they just like you can’t prove their not. I find it funny that people like you will blame Bush for not listening to the Generals on the ground but yet you do the same. By the way Gen Abizaid has also confirmed Iranian IEDs in Afgan and Iraq.
Second to Mike, American born and bred pal. I love all of this throw it up to God BS. Yes I’m Catholic. And yes, homocide, abortion, etc are tragic, but if you just believe God is going to do something about, your wrong. It’s people like you who believe that God will just take care of them no matter what. You probably don’t believe in dinosaurs and that the Earth is only 6,000 years old. If you want change, you have to be the change, not some blogger who just talks about God.
By the way to both of you. I have not called for war or fighting in any of my posts. Nor do I run around the streets calling for war. But I also take people at their words and watch their actions. It’s unfortunate that you don’t. It’s people like you who run around wondering what happened after you’ve been attacked. By the way, even though Iran is half a world away, all they have to do is keep up the rhetoric, shut the Strait of Hormuz, or disturb oil the slightest bit to hurt us. They don’t have to come here.
Oh yeah Chris, there’s real proof the surge is working. What isn’t that all over the media 24/7?
Oh and one last thing Chris. I didn’t say all IEDs are made in Iran. When I say ‘coming from Iran’ that also includes factories in Iraq supported by Iranians.
Isn’t that convenient?
When we find it on the ground, it must have come from Iran.
When we see it made in Iraq, it must be made with Iranian support.
How do we know the arms are supplied by Iran? They are used by Iranian backed insurgents.
How do we know they are Iranian backed insurgents? Because they use arms supplied by Iran.
A bit circular for my tastes.
ff11
You figured it out ff11. You’re a freakin genius. General Petraus and Gen Abizaid. Check it out.
All of the comments here about it being’ GW’s fault’ or ‘America is to blame for Iran’ cannot simply deal with the fact that Iran is determined to have nuclear weapons, and will have them within 12-36 months.
That is a reality, not debated history, the future US leaders will have to tackle. NOT GW. ( I partly blame him for not dealing with it, given his state of the union speech when he said ” I will not leave gathering threats for future Presidents to deal with”, or, to that effect…well, he’s left Iraq, Iran and NK to deal with)
It is not America’s fault a messianic regime wants to smite their enemies with the world’s most destructive weapons, however, I’m sure you’ll find some way to blame it for defending itself from these lunatics.
rphillips, Traven, etal:
I would think that 9/11 would’ve been sufficient evidence of radical ideologues out there who will go to extraordinary lengths to see you dead. But I guess it’s easier for you to believe that 9/11 was a government orchestrated,controlled demolition. Your skepticism stems either from your profound mistrust of your government or your egocentric notions concerning human nature. Incredible as it may seem, there are people out there who rejoice in the sacrifice of their own children, who murder their own daughters, who regard you with the same revulsion they have towards pigs. As much as I may dislike some of our country’s policies, I believe that our elected officials have more in common with me than those islamic fundamentalists. And it would take a LOT more to convince me that they would deliberately kill 3000 of their fellow citizens simply to advance a cause.
Myron,
I see that you are Catholic, which explains a great deal. Sorry for you, but as long as you are breathing, you have an opportunity to get it right with God. You have the problems with dinasours, not me. Besides, tell me where it says in any book, to include the Bible, just how old the earth is. You quote 6,000 years, what verse? Genesis doesn’t provide that number. But that must be what you where told in CCD classes. You can continue to go to confession on Saturday and confess to a man, and not God, and I would like to see how that is going to help you. And in any case, if the Straits of Hormuz were closed due to some attack of agression by Iran, don’t you think that all of the super educated and articulate people/leaders that we have in this country would have done something about just this type of scenario back during the Oil Embargo in 1973/1974? If this is what it takes to get you liberals/catholics to wake up and realize who is causing the problems, then I say bring it on, if it were not for the fact that millions of others would have to suffer as a result. We should concentrate on the problems here in our country, but, that would not be true to the way all the God fearing people of this country do, they judge others so as to take the focus off themselves. Myron, hope is still out there, you just have to want it.
My favorite trope of the anti-Bush crowd is the one that goes
“All this jihadi terrorism is nonsense, it’s propoganda! They’re trying to manipulate you with fear, fear! Don’t you know they’re really trying to loot the American government and take over other countries to plunder their oil for the sake of their friends and the Jews that control Congress??”
You people really demonstrate the demoralization of America is indeed far along.
Have you guys ever heard of World War 2? Do you have some sense, at all, of the security arrangements that followed as a consequence? And have you acquainted yourselves at all with the avowed enemy of that system, the Soviet system, and who its friends were? Are you aware that this lovely system of international commerce and globalization, as well as very limited wars, is precisely the goal of that system, and that the US underwrites it with her economy and military? Can you possibly guess that Iraq and Iran are part of a continuum of fuel production, as well as an enduring strategic soft underbelly, that must constantly be shored up because of its anti-modern and generally illiterate and hysterical tendencies – which make it prey for, for example, Soviet manipulation, even more readily than your soft ignorant brains do for you idiots?
It’s also hilarious to me that many of the people currently going apeshit about $4+ gallon of gas also undoubtedly include many many people who subscribed to the It’s An Illegal War All About Oil!!!! theory. Gee, you think maybe there’s some relationship here it might be interesting to know more about? And hey what is this whole “Islam” thing here anyway and all this headchopping and ululating and blackbagging women and whatnot…
Really you fools claim to be so sophisticated as to penetrate the vaunted Bush Administration propoganda offensive and yet what – are you all hanging around the borders of Iraq and Iran and snuggling up with the members of the Majilis at night? Where do you get your information, then – from moveon.communists?
Lastly, STOP quoting Goering and Goebbels. These are not original thinkers. These ideas are self-evident to anyone who’s spent a week reading the history of politics and of war. You’re only demonstrating your ignorance, Again.
I don’t know where to start. Almost every line in your post is wrong. First of all, you obviously don’t have any idea about the Catholic faith. Secondly, not liberal. Wrong again. Thirdly, what problem do I (or the Catholic faith) have with dinosaurs? Great argument, “No your the one with the problem.” Are we still trapped in Junior High? I know your argument still is. Lastly, confessing to a priest is actually confession. Not the I’ll keep it between God and me confession that most of the rest of the Christian world follws. There’s no accountablility in that. And by the way the Catholic Church is the only direct link to Christ any religion has. Everyone else (historically) has to come through the Catholic Church to get to him, so don’t worry about me, I’ll be fine.
Re some of the inane comments about Iranian-made weapons used against US forces in Iraq.
The facts are-
*Hundreds of rockets and mortars found in Iraq weapons caches WERE MADE IN IRAN in the past 1- 2 years, and markings identifying them as Iranian-made clearly make the case.
*Members of Al Quds force are IN JAIL IN BAGHDAD today, charged with commanding, training and coordinating attacks against US forces
* Several of these personnal freely admit they came from Iran to conduct attacks and train Sadr’s forces
* The technologies, techniques and procedures in the design of IEDs clearly points to Iranian origin
Of course, this all means nothing to the 9/11 conspiracy crowd that believes our govt/military lies to us every chance it gets…they would believe the world is flat if Nancy and Harry told them it was.
The mullahs and immans here in the US are planning to do the same thing that Iran is planning to do over there. When the word is given we will experience what Bin Laden has termed “America’s Hiroshima”. Get it? Liberals who are led by their agenda of creating utopia in the whole world cannot think of Muslims as our enemy. They are. But it doesn’t matter because our government has got itself tied up with leftist foreign policies that have nothing to do with our safety. It is the purpose of the liberal Democrats, notice I said liberal Democrats and not just Democrats, that means that there are Democrats who can see the truth and the rest are out to lunch; to put America in a weaker position with the other countries in the world that don’t have the things we do, and aren’t as well off as we are. The liberals religion teaches them that anyone who thinks that there are people in this world that want to do us great harm are racist and haters of people who may believe differently from us. Their judgement is flawed and it is a HISTORICAL FACT that their line of thought has gotten more people killed over thousands of years that those who want to approach talks with their enemies from a position of strength and power. That way they will be more willing to actually change their ways and honestly be less dangerous to their neighbors, and us.
Good grief, people.
“Run for your lives! They’ve already got mullahs and imams here, just waiting to attack! We’re all gonna die! They’re gonna eat our babies and rape our women! If you don’t recognize the threat you’ll get us all killed! Traitors!”
Take a deep breath, folks. When did you guys decide to become cowards? I mean, the best definition of a coward is a man who sends someone else to complete a task he himself is too afraid to perform. Are you serving?
If we’re in such dire straits, maybe you should enlist and get yourselves into battle. Otherwise, stop calling people traitors and unpatriotic.
These lefties , with their idiotic statements about brown people and the rest, are exactly who the Iranians are counting on to tie our hands.
The Lefties were the tools of the NVA.. and the Lefties are the tools of the Jihadists. The sick thing is.. these Lefties WANT to be the tool.
Isn’t it a shame… there are so many important things to talk about and the Left drags the conversation down to their inanities.
None of you Lefties are saying anything new. We’ve heard this all before a billion times. Go back to your hate sites and engage in the foreplay of telling each other how you sure told us!
The article is an insider look at Iranian sponsored terrorism and nuclear ambitions. EVERY American should read and evaluate. There’s several commenters on this thread that haven’t been keeping up with current events. Instead of shooting from the hip with some kind of conspiracy B S, spend some time with Google gathering info to either confirm or refute the articles main premises. Uninformed opinions, without supporting facts, make you appear ignorant. Inform yourselves. This is a serious subject that affects us all.
gb8898 – You almost had me believing in you there! My family on both my mother and father’s side fought in every war since the American Revolution and probably the French and Indian war. I am about as American is they get. And yes sir, I do know what tyranny is capable of. You preach to us like we just walked across the border from Mexico.
You are the classic “Compartmental Complacent Appeaser” in this country. If you can put radical Islam in a box that fits neatly into Afghanistan and blame it on them your cool with that. The sad part about your apologetics sir is there is nothing truly conservative about them. True conservatives understand both sides of this very ugly situation and picking the lesser of two evils when combating radical kooks, nuts and murderers who kill and get killed (martyrs)to get to heaven is difficult business and as an American I don’t think my government is worse than radical Islam as you make it out to be. BAD PEOPLE HAPPEN GLOBALLY!
Where did you get the idea,gb8898 that anyone was talking about being traitors and being unpatriotic? I’m saying that there are already thousands of terrorist in this country readying for the next strike. And no there is no need to, “run for your lives, the Muslims are coming” kinda crap. There are people who are alot smarter about these things than anyone on this site that are Middle Easterners who are sounding this alarm. They are the ones who recognize the threat because they have had to live under that sort of thing in their own Islamic countries. When they were living peacefully and minding their own business there was a upheaval of fundalmentalism that swept away the peacefulness and demanded that if they did not join in on the world wide jihad that they and their families would be killed. Those and many others have come here to tell us that we are in grave danger from the fundalmentalists that they have seen come to America to take over this nation by using our own laws that prohibit them being bothered for no reason, so that they can plan their next attack in peace, no pun intended. How do you think the terrorists that committed the attack on 9-11 got as far as they did? It’s a time when we must be calm and take to heart what these brave men and women have to say about the lies and deseption that our government is falling for in thinking that Islam is our friend. If you study Islam’s history you will find that this is exactly how they have done their dirty work and thousands have died at their hands that did not see the writing on the wall until it was to late. The little Hitler of Iran and his mullah’s that have that country in a death grip are planning the same thing that their soldiers are executing all over the world, right now. What do you think is going on in the Phillipines, Indonesian countries, Great Britain, and even as close as Canada where the long established laws are being set aside in lew of Shiria to deal with criminals of Middle Easterners living there. That is wrong. If you go to any other country you have to abid by that countries laws. If you commit a crime you are punished by that countries laws. Everyone except Muslim people who demand that they must be dealt with according to Muslim law, and that countries laws don’t pertain to them. The exact same think is happening right here in America. Why don’t you read about what is happening in Michigan and tell me that Muslims that come here are coming to become Americans. They are not! They are committing jihad by what is known as “population jihad”. In other words there will be so many after awhile who have taken over public office and businesses, i.e. the cabbies in Minnisota who won’t take any passengers who have alcohol, or seeing eye dogs, and demand foot baths in the terminal and their own prayer room that no other religion would ever get away with asking for, that after that happens the Muslims will institute Shiria and force American’s to obey or get out. That is the threat that must be stopped. When a Muslim person moves here it must be demanded of them to become an American, otherwise they must leave. If some Muslim person, like the brave souls who were glad to become American’s so they could help stop the Islamic invaders from coming here for jihad, must come here with the intention of becoming an American. Otherwise why have they come? In Austrailia that is becoming law. That if a Muslim will not become an Austrailian they are told to leave. The same as in Great Britain. Do you think that some Muslim who has intentions of committing some terrorist act wants to willingly become a “British subject”? A Muslim only is willing to subject themselves to Islam. How do you explain the fact that Keith Ellison demanded that he be sworn in on the Koran instead of the Holy Bible? It is against Islam, and a sin to touch another object of any other religion other than Islam. In over two hundred years of tradition, that was the first time that a U.S. Congressman was sworn in on something other than the Holy Bible. Islam teaches that loyalty to any other thing, like our Constitution is a sin punishable by death. Do you think Cong. Ellison is going to uphold the Constitution of the United States? NO!!! He will uphold the teachings of the Koran which is death to America!!!
Regime change in Iran is the only way to go forward.
Three great worldviews in conflict: Christianity, Scientific Rationalism and Islam. #1 will have to save #2 from #3.
Propaganda. Pure and simple. This biased account is filled with half-truths and purposeful deceit. The author of this blog is a shill for several Israeli-based PACs that influence American foreign policy. I worked in Iran for over 12 years, the omissions and misdirections of logic in this post are astounding. Shame on you.
erasmus – Brevity is the source of wit, well said!
My favorite trope of the anti-Bush crowd is the one that goes
“All this jihadi terrorism is nonsense, it’s propoganda! They’re trying to manipulate you with fear, fear! Don’t you know they’re really trying to loot the American government and take over other countries to plunder their oil for the sake of their friends and the Jews that control Congress??”
That is – the Lefties and anti’s say BE AFRAID!
Frankly, we think you’re the ones preoccupied with fear, since you’re as afraid of Bush as paranoid schizphrenics. We, on the other hand, want to destroy the jihadists and liberate the Islamic world, with its help, from the path of self-destruction travelled by so many societies since World War I and the advent of widespread modernity – that is, primarily the bureaucratic representative state based on civil liberty and the fruits of scientific inquiry.
Jihad is a reality – an ancient reality, and the characteristic expression of Islamic societies since the dawn of Islam. Its source, as an ideology, is Islamic doctrine – as a sociological phenomenon, its source is tribal razzias and incessent warfare. These things are a reality.
UKnowtheScore:
Your words are just over the line,who are you to accuse me of those horrible things. These words can only come from Islamic agents angered by the revelation of the truth .Shame is on a government that kills boys and girls as young as 13-14 for their opposition to the theocracy,shame on a system that stones woman to death for having a sexual affair, shame on the thugs that hang students off of cranes in the middle of city squares to create fear and shame on the regime that stabs their opposition tied to a chair facing Mecca, so don’t talk about shame with me,I have a ton to talk about. I am proud of what I did and maybe I made a little difference by letting the world know about their deceptions.
I want no part in the fight between the right and left and I will not succumb to silence by pressure or fear as you clearly know by now.The Iranians deserve nothing less than a free and democratic society, not with invasion but with international support which has been absent so far due to their own interest in the region.
Reza Kahlili
(The CIA agent said) The agents said it was Rafsanjani who ordered the bombing of Pan Am Flight 103 over Lockerbie, Scotland on Dec. 21, 1988, which killed 270 people. They also talked about involvement of a Palestinian man and the radio transmitter that carried the bomb, information that I passed on to the CIA
A timer was found that was traced to a batch sold to Libya. One of their agents was convicted. Libya paid 2.7 billion in a settlement to the relatives of people killed in the plane and on the ground in Scotland.
Listening to another guy that pops up with ties to several spook agencies that conveniently agitates for a war that serves his agenda perfectly just screamed out “Curveball”. Except this one is not run by Chalabi. Someone else, pehaps Mossad.
Ahmadinejad is the only leader of Islam in history who thinks he is the one to start the Battle of Armageddon and bring in the arrival of the Mahdi (the Islamic Messiah) If he really believes this, the threat of retaliation makes no difference to him as it would in a bit more reasonable Islamic leader
In Ezekiel 38: A coalition of (ancient) countries; tranposed to (modern day) countries you would have: Gog=Russia, including Ukraine Kazakhstan; Persia=Iran; Mesheck & Tubal,Beth-Turkey near Syraia; Gomar=Turkey; Cush=Northern Sudan; Some of these may vary somewhat as our world geographical alignment of countries always changing. Anyway, most prophecy teachers mostly agree with this. (Hal Lindsey is really an expert). However, EZ 38 is starting to make sense as Russia has been involved with most of these countries in current events, a merger of Russian and Islamic nations, fit this. God will “put a hook in your jaw” and bring these countries into the land of Israel. All said this is going to happen in the 7 year tributlation period.
Back to the present with Iran.. I really think America and Israel should join together if this happens.I pray we have a leader wise enough to know if Ahmadinejad is bluffing; I would like to see a bigger smoking gun, but I guess if we did know for sure,it would be to late.
Why did Omar Khdaffi pay the victim families of the PanAm bombing? If you have heard on the news today about the 700 metric tons of yellowcake found in Iraq and shipped to Canada.
http://www.ibdeditorials.com/IBDArticles.aspx?id=300323577877918&kw=yellowcake
I have loved ones in the service and of course I don’t want another war, I don’t want to see any mother’s son go to war. but I know that freedom sometimes comes at a great price. There is not such thing as being free if you constantly have to live in fear as Israel has done for 6000 years.
In America our war is a constant political struggle to keep Christianity and our freedom to worship, while our young men and women are fighting for their lives. Islam in Amercia is not weapons, but is constantly creeping in our schools, university, businesses and the halls of Government. We must do everything possible to stop this threat because it becomes a full blown Islamc state. Take Dearborn MI we are now calling Dearbornistan; there really is no such thing as a Moderate Muslim; they read the same Quran and believe it as the 9/11 terrorist.
When Muslims come into a non-Muslim country, a %progression takes place: It’s too long so you may have to do your download from:
Adapted from Dr. Peter Hammond’s book: Slavery, Terrorism and Islam: The Historical Roots and Contemporary Threat.. http://www.frontline.org.za/books_videos/sti.htm
I am not suffering from Islamaphobia; this is a real threat.
If “Rheza Khalili” could read most of the above posts he would wonder if indeed the country he worked so hard to help protect against the mullahs, Hizb’allah, and the Revolutionary Guards has a hard instinct for civilizational suicide.
The one thing that is consistent across every Leftist’s viewpoint I’ve dissected – and I used to be a member of the Left thirty years ago – is that they either completely discount the religious motives of the Islamic enemy or very nearly so. Often, they will transform it into socialist motives of struggle against imperialism. They do not take these people at their word. It was so thirty years ago when I was a college freshman. It was still so throughout my undergraduate years, when one of my roommates was an Iranian Shia (and devoted follower of Khomeini)and who could quote the Qur’an’s undying enmity against the Jews and the Christians and all the unbelievers. It was still so when I left the Left in 1987.
Again, let me reiterate: the Left is in an active alliance with Islam to undermine Western civilization. In its conceit, the Left thinks that with time the Muslim jihadis will transform into good, hedonistic, physicalist reductionists. Once the Muslim world gets postmodernism, goodbye Allah. That is their FANTASY. The Left, cowardly as it is in military terms, since the fall of the Soviet Union is now relying on the jihadis to be the hard warriors to collapse capitalism, Western civilization, and Christianity.
Many Iranians I knew in my undergraduate years were not practicing Muslims. They were apostates and had gone over to socialism and Marxism. They helped the Revolution in Iran, and then the mullahs turned on them viciously – killing them and driving them into exile. It was a bitter betrayal with a lesson that was not lost on the ones who survived. This is what could happen to Western Leftists who help Islamic jihad collapse our civilization. They will be the first ones on the chopping block, unless they pronounce the Shehada. Cowards that they are, I am sure most of them will submit to Muhammad’s sock puppet deity, “Allah.”
The Left has made a fateful choice. If the Islamists eventually win, they lose the very kind of society that allows them to be who they are in the first place. On the other hand, if we, the loyal patriots of Western civilization and the American Republic, win part and parcel of our victory is both the delegitimization of the Left and its extermination.
Anyone who thinks MAD is a deterrent to the mullahs is certifiably insane.
I’ve never met a Leftist who read the Islamic scriptures (the Qur’an), the traditions (ahadith), and the life and deeds of Muhammad (Sira). Lacking the substance of those sources of the enemy’s ideology, they, in their sloth, fill in the interpretive prism a vapid, Western, Marxist template for struggle.
Conservatives…
Rob is correct! Just not in the way he thinks.
The behavior of Israel and the USA has resulted in these problems. This is not some lefty moral equivalence either. Really the entire western world should be included.
The pathetic weakness Israel and the USA have displayed encourages islam to attack. Israel’s leaders are so pathetic they can’t even beat hizzbolah. Israel is so weak it hands over land to a population that is irreversibly indoctrinated to kill Jews. Israel is so weak they send fuel and food to their enemies.
The USA is so weak that its leaders vote for war and then turn around and betray that vote and those tasked to carry out its purpose. It is so weak that it provides our solders the finest weapons but requires them to check with lawyers before pulling the trigger. It is so weak that newspapers are not prosecuted for giving away national security secrets. It is so weak that after being attacked by mostly saudi hijackers it doesn’t close the borders to islam. It is so weak that it allows saudi supplied mosques to pop up all over the country, spreading their poison ideology. It is so weak that it checks grandmas shoes and toothpaste for terrorism before boarding.
Islam, a retrograde and weak force, is only as big a threat as our political correctness, multiculturalism and relativism allow it to be.
John Quincy Adams wrote:
In the seventh century of the Christian era, a wandering Arab of the lineage of Hagar [i.e., Muhammad], the Egyptian, combining the powers of transcendent genius, with the preternatural energy of a fanatic, and the fraudulent spirit of an impostor, proclaimed himself as a messenger from Heaven, and spread desolation and delusion over an extensive portion of the earth. Adopting from the sublime conception of the Mosaic law, the doctrine of one omnipotent God; he connected indissolubly with it, the audacious falsehood, that he was himself his prophet and apostle. Adopting from the new Revelation of Jesus, the faith and hope of immortal life, and of future retribution, he humbled it to the dust by adapting all the rewards and sanctions of his religion to the gratification of the sexual passion. He poisoned the sources of human felicity at the fountain, by degrading the condition of the female sex, and the allowance of polygamy; and he declared undistinguishing and exterminating war, as a part of his religion, against all the rest of mankind. THE ESSENCE OF HIS DOCTRINE WAS VIOLENCE AND LUST: TO EXALT THE BRUTAL OVER THE SPIRITUAL PART OF HUMAN NATURE (Adams’s capital letters)… Between these two religions, thus contrasted in their characters, a war of twelve hundred years has already raged. The war is yet flagrant… While the merciless and dissolute dogmas of the false prophet shall furnish motives to human action, there can never be peace upon earth, and goodwill towards men.”
Lord Tebbit wrote:
“The Muslim religion is so unreformed since it was created that nowhere in the Muslim world has there been any real advance in science, or art or literature, or technology in the last 500 years”
Vernon Richards wrote:
“The true Islamic concept of peace goes something like this: “Peace comes through submission to Muhammad and his concept of Allah” (i.e. Islam). As such the Islamic concept of peace, meaning making the whole world Muslim, is actually a mandate for war. It was inevitable and unavoidable that the conflict would eventually reach our borders, and so it has.”
Andre Servier, 1922 wrote:
“Islam was not a torch, as has been claimed, but an extinguisher. Conceived in a barbarous brain for the use of a barbarous people, it was – and it remains – incapable of adapting itself to civilization. Wherever it has dominated, it has broken the impulse towards progress and checked the evolution of society.”
Theodore Roosevelt wrote:
“The Greeks who triumphed at Marathon and Salamis did a work without which the world would have been deprived of the social value of Plato and Aristotle, of Aeschylus, Herodotus, and Thucydides. The civilization of Europe, America, and Australia exists today at all only because of the victories of civilized man over the enemies of civilization, because the victories stretching through the centuries from the days of Miltiades and Themistocles to those of Charles Martel in the eighth century and those of John Sobieski in the seventeenth century.”
“During the thousand years that included the careers of the Frankish soldier and the Polish king, the Christians of Asia and Africa proved unable to wage successful war with the Moslem conquerors; and in consequence Christianity practically vanished from the two continents; and today nobody can find in them any “social values” whatever, in the sense in which we use the words, so far as the sphere of Mohammedan influence. There are such “social values” today in Europe, America, and Australia only because during those thousand years the Christians of Europe possessed the warlike power to do what the Christians of Asia and Africa had failed to do – that is, to beat back the Moslem invader.”
David Selbourne – The Losing Battle with Islam:
“Of course, there are distinguished precedents even for the bleakest and coarsest of these judgements. To Montesquieu in 1748, Islam’s ‘destructive spirit’ spoke ‘only by the sword’; to Schopenhauer in 1819, the Koran was a ‘wretched book’ in which he had ‘not been able to discover one single idea of value’; to De Tocqueville in 1843, Islam was ‘deadly’, ‘to be feared’ and a ‘form of decadence’”. –
Winston Churchill, wrote in 1899:
“The religion of Islam above all others was founded upon the sword … Moreover it provides incentives to slaughter, and in three continents has produced fighting breeds of men – filled with a wild and merciless fanaticism”.
John Quincy Adams who wrote in 1829:
“The precept of the Koran is, perpetual war against all who deny, that Mahomet is the prophet of God. The vanquished may purchase their lives, by the payment of tribute; the victorious may be appeased by a false and delusive promise of peace; and the faithful follower of the prophet, may submit to the imperious necessities of defeat: but the command to propagate the Moslem creed by the sword is always obligatory, when it can be made effective. The commands of the prophet may be performed alike, by fraud, or by force”.
John Wesley (1703-91) who wrote,
“Ever since the religion of Islam appeared in the world, the espousers of it…have been as wolves and tigers to all other nations, rending and tearing all that fell into their merciless paws, and grinding them with their iron teeth; that numberless cities are raised from the foundation, and only their name remaining; that many countries, which were once as the garden of God, are now a desolate wilderness; and that so many once numerous and powerful nations are vanished from the earth! Such was, and is at this day, the rage, the fury, the revenge, of these destroyers of human kind”.
Hilaire Belloc who wrote in 1938:
“Will not perhaps the temporal power of Islam return and with it the menace of an armed Mohammedan world, which will shake off the domination of Europeans — still nominally Christian — and reappear as the prime enemy of our civilization? The future always comes as a surprise, but political wisdom consists in attempting at least some partial judgment of what that surprise may be. And for my part I cannot but believe that a main unexpected thing of the future is the return of Islam”.
Bishop Fulton J Sheen who wrote in 1950:
“Today (1950), the hatred of the Moslem countries against the West is becoming hatred against Christianity itself. Although the statesmen have not yet taken it into account, there is still grave danger that the temporal power of Islam may return and, with it, the menace that it may shake off a West which has ceased to be Christian, and affirm itself as a great anti-Christian world Power”.
Patriarch Cyrus of Alexandria, while negotiating the surrender of Alexandria to the Muslims, 640 AD:
“I am afraid that God has sent these men to lay waste the world”.
Gregory Palamus of Thessalonica, 1354:
“For these impious people, hated by God and infamous, boast of having got the better of the Romans by their love of God…they live by the bow, the sword and debauchery, finding pleasure in taking slaves, devoting themselves to murder, pillage, spoil…and not only do they commit these crimes, but even — what an aberration — they believe that God approves of them. This is what I think of them, now that I know precisely about their way of life.”.
William Eaton, US Consul to Tunis, wrote in 1799:
“Considered as a nation, they are deplorably wretched, because they have no property in the soil to inspire an ambition to cultivate it. They are abject slaves to the despotism of their government, and they are humiliated by tyranny, the worst of all tyrannies, the despotism of priestcraft. They live in more solemn fear of the frowns of a bigot who has been dead and rotten above a thousand years, than of the living despot whose frown would cost them their lives…The ignorance, superstitious tradition and civil and religious tyranny, which depress the human mind here, exclude improvement of every kind…”
Alexis de Tocqueville:
“I studied the Kuran a great deal … I came away from that study with the conviction that by and large there have been few religions in the world as deadly to men as that of Muhammed. As far as I can see, it is the principal cause of the decadence so visible today in the Muslim world, and, though less absurd than the polytheism of old, its social and political tendencies are in my opinion infinitely more to be feared, and I therefore regard it as a form of decadence rather than a form of progress in relation to paganism itself.”
G.K. Chesterton:
There is in Islam a paradox which is perhaps a permanent menace. The great creed born in the desert creates a kind of ecstasy of the very emptiness of its own land, and even, one may say, out of the emptiness of its own theology. . . . A void is made in the heart of Islam which has to be filled up again and again by a mere repetition of the revolution that founded it. There are no sacraments; the only thing that can happen is a sort of apocalypse, as unique as the end of the world; so the apocalypse can only be repeated and the world end again and again. There are no priests; and yet this equality can only breed a multitude if lawless prophets almost as numerous as priests. The very dogma that there is only one Mahomet produces an endless procession of Mahomets.
Winston Churchill 14 June 1921:
‘The Wahabis profess a life of exceeding austerity, and what they practice themselves they rigorously enforce on others. They hold it as an article of duty, as well as of faith, to kill all who do not share their opinions and to make slaves of their wives and children. Women have been put to death in Wahabi villages for simply appearing in the streets. It is a penal offense to wear a silk garment. Men have been killed for smoking a cigarette, and as for alcohol, the most energetic supporter of the temperance cause in this country falls far behind them. Austere, intolerant, well armed, and bloodthirsty, in their own regions the Wahabis are a distinct factor which must be taken into account, and they have been, and still are, very dangerous to the holy cities of Mecca and Medina, and to the whole institution of the pilgrimage, in which our Indian fellow-subjects are so deeply concerned….The Emir Bin Saud has shown himself capable of leading and, within considerable limits, of controlling these formidable sectaries.’
Winston Churchill:
“How dreadful are the curses which Mohammedanism lays on its votaries! Besides the fanatical frenzy, which is as dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog, there is this fearful fatalistic apathy. The effects are apparent in many countries. Improvident habits, slovenly systems of agriculture, sluggish methods of commerce, and insecurity of property exist wherever the followers of the Prophet rule or live. A degraded sensualism deprives this life of its grace and refinement; the next of its dignity and sanctity. The fact that in Mohammedan law every woman must belong to some man as his absolute property must delay the final extinction of slavery until the faith of Islam has ceased to be a great power among men. Individual Moslems may show splendid qualities. Thousands become the brave and loyal soldiers of the Queen; all know how to die; but the influence of the religion paralyses the social development of those who follow it. No stronger retrograde force exists in the world. Far from being moribund, Mohammedanism is a militant and proselytizing faith. It has already spread throughout Central Africa, raising fearless warriors at every step; and were it not that Christianity is sheltered in the strong arms of science the civilisation of modern Europe might fall, as fell the civilisation of ancient Rome.”
And how about this quote from Ayatollah Khomeini from 1942:
“Islam makes it incumbent on all adult males, provided they are not disabled and incapacitated, to prepare themselves for the conquest of [other] countries so that the writ of Islam is obeyed in every country in the world. But those who study Islamic Holy War will understand why Islam wants to conquer the whole world…. Those who know nothing of Islam pretend that Islam counsels against war. Those [who say this] are witless. Islam says Kill all the unbelievers just as they would kill you all! Does this mean that Muslims should sit back until they are devoured by [the unbelievers] Islam says Kill them [the non-Muslims], put them to the sword and scatter [their armies]. Does this mean sitting back until [non-Muslims] overcome us Islam says Kill in the service of Allah those who may want to kill you! Does this mean that we should surrender to the enemy Islam says Whatever good there is exists thanks to the sword and in the shadow of the sword! People cannot be made obedient except with the sword! The sword is the key to Paradise, which can be opened only for Holy Warriors! There are hundreds of other [Koranic] verses and Hadiths [sayings of the Prophet] urging Muslims to value war and to fight. Does all that mean that Islam is a religion that prevents men from waging war I spit upon those foolish souls who make such a claim.” – Ayatollah Khomeini
In defense of the UK, Winston Churchill 1941:
You cannot tell from appearances how things will go. Sometimes imagination makes things out far worse than they are; yet without imagination not much can be done. Those people who are imaginative see many more dangers than perhaps exist; certainly many more than will happen; but then they must also pray to be given that extra courage to carry this far-reaching imagination. But for everyone, surely, what we have gone through in this period – I am addressing myself to the School – surely from this period of ten months this is the lesson: never give in, never give in, never, never, never, never-in nothing, great or small, large or petty – never give in except to convictions of honour and good sense. Never yield to force; never yield to the apparently overwhelming might of the enemy. We stood all alone a year ago, and to many countries it seemed that our account was closed, we were finished. All this tradition of ours, our songs, our School history, this part of the history of this country, were gone and finished and liquidated
Of course then there’s the Leftards
Chris:
It is pathetic the way all of you Chicken Littles live in fear of the scary brown people, buying into this obvious propaganda.
Fred – I’ve never met a Leftist who read the Islamic scriptures (the Qur’an), the traditions (ahadith), and the life and deeds of Muhammad (Sira). Lacking the substance of those sources of the enemy’s ideology, they, in their sloth, fill in the interpretive prism a vapid, Western, Marxist template for struggle.
The brotherhood of reasonable defiance salutes you and Dan and most importantly Reza Khalili for your clear thinking in this time of fuzzy logic!
Fred – bang on. Marxists are one-dimensional. For them, the universe is about money. It’s a very materialistic view. Of course, they can’t comprehend Islamists. They can’t comprehend religion. The only dimension they have to work with is money. So the controversy has to be about economic issues.
This is also why they can’t comprehend that Fascists are also Socialists, just Socialists who are more in the Nationalist dimension than the economic dimension.
Square peg, meet round hole.
The West will definitely get nuked, maybe more than once, before it does any nuking itself (including Israel).
Reza: thank you for being brave and risking your life. Persian Warriors have been documenting student uprisings in Iran for anyone to view on youtube. I’ve befriended, asked questions, debated and came to know how proud Persians are of their cultural heritage. Persians make the case using historical facts, how they were concurred by Islam 1400 years ago. I know by the conversations with students & others, you’re telling the truth. Free speech is necessary to any debate. Healthy skepticism is also necessary in order to ask questions. Please keep up your work. Some people never will get it but should never be able to claim ignorance.
Vince P – Chicago – Isn’t it crystal clear when history speaks? Thank you for your post.
“Those who forget history are doomed to repeat it.” George Santayana
We are doomed to repeat the history of barbarism and destruction sown by the “religon of peace” Islam because worldwide liberal socialsists are agents of their warfare.
One of the reasons why human civilization has been under threat from Islam for 1,400 years of Islamic jihad is precisely because of the mind-numbing mockery behind epithets like “chicken little.” Bill Warner has conservatively estimated that over fourteen centuries of Islamic jihad over 270 million human beings have been murdered – the old fashioned way. The colorful – and I’m sure not overly exaggerated – description of the Muslim conqueror Tamerlane in the Hindu Kush and in India is that he left mountains of severed skulls in the wake of his armies.
The Left has no explanation for jihad conquest during those centuries before the founding of our Republic or the later founding of the Jewish state. They conjure up some cobbled together nonsense about the Crusades kicking over the hornets’ nest, but the fact is that the Crusades were a long-delayed reaction of Christian Europe to the loss of a land that was legitimately a land for the Jews and Christians, not the Muslims. One way or another, they continuously retroject into history the current themes of imperialism and economic oppression. But it was Islam that was the imperialist aggressor and rapist of the lands it devoured.
Islam has become a scourge to humanity precisely because it exploited our dumbfounding capacity for denial and appeasement.
It is Islam and Islamic regimes like the mullahs which threaten humanity, not our realistic assessment of that danger. Let’s not kid ourselves about the absurdity of “Chris’s” views. Absurd thought they may be, they represent the mainstream of academia, media, and government. The Left is lapping towards its high water mark in American politics right now, as I type these words. My views are in the minority, but I’ll bet the farm that within four years more people in the “Middle Muddle” will realize that the Pied Pipers of the Left lured them down the wrong path.
Both the Left and the Iranian terrorist regime will over reach. We will be put our our heels for a bit and we will have some wounds to lick, but I believe the American people will wake up in time and will turn and fight the Leftist enemy and their Islamic allies.
We live in times when two powerful strands of totalitarian thought are converging towards each other in an alliance of convenience. Both share the view that humanity is best served by an all-powerful state that tells human beings how to live, what they will have, and what they may think. Both of these ideological cults have a powerful need to control and dominate people. They will over reach and they will sow the seeds of their violent destruction.
Ciscokid – Well said!
Mad mullahs delenda est.
The sooner, the better.
Reza, here in Israel we know bravery, and we honor it because we face the evils of the Jihad and pay in blood, it is not a far removed theory for us but a daily reality, so all respect to you. I read the comments of some of the more insular who take what they have entirely for granted like spoiled children, many of them have never paid any price for their freedoms so they dishonor them even as their soldiers sacrifice their lives in their defense. Peace to you, and peace to your brothers in Iran under the brutal fist of the Theocracy. Thank you for speaking out. We have many former Iranian nationals here in the holy land, they know the realities as you do. Good people.
… all experience hath shewn that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.
Sound familiar?
Thank God I have been justified in my remarks on this site earlier today about the Muslim threat. I hope Reza has shut you liberals up for good on this subject!! You people had better get your heads out of your leftist butts, and Obama’s butt. Obama, nor McCain, nor Bush, nor any Rhino or socialist Democrat and you know who you are had better wake the hell up. When I was given a bunch of liberal crap by my local police chief, I told him that he’d better decide whose side he is going to be on when we are attacked next. I told him that we will not tolerate the cops protecting the terrorists lives from us. I also told him that the police need us more than we need them. We have the means to protect ourselves and take the fight to the Islmaist attackers, but they do not. They will find themselves left out in the dark with no one to back them up just like in New Orleans after Katrina. All cops need to decide whose rights they protect ours or these invaders.
“Reza Khalili,
Thank you so much for your courageous efforts to bring this Iranian threat to light. I’m sure it must be aggravating to know that the freedoms you and our brave soldiers are fighting for extend to the skeptics on this site. But don’t be discouraged. Most of us comprehend and appreciate your sacrifice and the risks you took to provide us with valuable intelligence. I pray our leaders have the wisdom and courage to do what is required of them.
I was thinking about the eschatology a little bit and I have a question…
The Muslims believe the Mahdi will reestablish the Caliphate and its capital will be in Jerusalem. So if that’s the case, why would Iran use nuclear weapons in Israel?.
Wouldn’t that make Jerusalem a problematic capital city?
Is it not possible that Iran’s talk about nuking Israel is a bluff.. and the primary target is the US and maybe Europe too?
A few years ago Ajad gave a speech at an event called “World Without Zionism”. At this event is a very striking poster of Israel , represented as a ball, falling through an hourglass.
Laying at the bottom of the hourglass is a ball representing the US. This ball is already shattered.
Go to Google Images and search for “World Without Zionism” and see it for yourself.
This article seems very childish stories by MKO terrorist that had killed so many people including many americans and are always doing treason acts in all over the world and most recently in Iraq by collabrating with Sadam forces and now trying to make false stories to expand the war in the mid east and endager millions of lives and oil flow, lets thinks wisely nobody appreciate war and distruction except sick mided people like MKO elements that criminality is of their nature , we shall consider that wars in Vitnam, Cambodia, Iraq and Afganestan did not have any gain for US and Eroupe except wasting billions of doallrs and millions of inocent lives, lets repeal angels of wars who are always bit the drum of wars , how many more mothers like Sindy Shayhans in USA and around the world should crray for the loss of their love ones , please stop Isrealies war mangers in Isreal and president like Bush and MacCanes who looks for their dirty interests in tourching and blood of inocent people of America and people around the world, God is seeing our real intentions , lets not fool ourselves by making lots of false accusations for wagin new wars , God created humans for loving each other not killing each other.
Hope wise people come to the tops and prevent the catasrophic wars.
Thanks for the war-mongering, my brother Republicans! After all, we don’t want to seat idly without knowing the dangers. Fearful information is better than NO information at all – the policy of Dr. NObama!
Well, despite my misgivings to Bush on Iraq, it seems that BushII’s decision and wisdom was better than all of us after all. You know why? Because this Guy, despite our issues, really seeks God’s help! So power from above gives wisdom (when needed) to the President to protect America.
I wonder if God himself will be kind to a man who denounced his church and pastor! Why denounced it: is TUCC an anti-christ church? Nobama has to answer. If denouncing it is due to political reasons only: danger, danger. God above may get angry.
Despite the costs, we could really enjoin Iraqi Government as our ally against Iranian imperialism.
DNC Communists who stole the nomination of Hillary are expected to go nuts against USA going after Iran.
That’s why:
If not Hillary, then McCain it is.
Go, old man! Protect your grandchildren like me from war! Don’t Worry! We will deal with the impostor democrat this November. You must WIN old man! We moderate Democrats also want to win the war against Communists within Dem Party.
New Hampshire and Ohio and PA, Clintons4McCain is coming to town! Girls lets rock NObama!
Un-Lincoln,
I guess I’ll have to state the obvious: No, there was no longer any Israel (Israel did in fact exist as a nation before 1947, just not between 1947 and 70 AD), but there were plenty of Jews, because after 70 AD, the Jews scattered to what would later become “Islamic” lands. The pervasiveness of Jews throughout those regions is why the Quran has so many missives against the Jews in it. Because of Mohammed’s hatred of Jews, Islamic hordes very quickly tried to rid their “lands” of Jews, and subjugated and slaughtered them were they could. So, au contraire Mr Un-Lincoln, Islam has been at war against the Jews since it’s very inception as a religion. The State of Israel is just the icing of insult on the cake of their hatred for all other religions besides Islam, but especially the Jews.
Also, I don’t want to kill and destroy Muslims. I want strip them of the power to further their geopolitical and eschatological aims. If I can convert them to weak-souled capitalists like ourselves, then that’s a bonus. Because either one (or both) will make it so they don’t want to, or won’t be able to feed their completely totalitarian aims. I want to live at peace with as many people as will be at peace with me. But there are some people out there who don’t want that – they DON’T WANT IT! Basic office politics will teach you that. And sometimes you’ve got to give them the smackdown if they won’t play nice with everyone else.
If you read the history of Palestine, you’ll see that way before the State of Israel, when the Jews were simply buying tracts of land in Palestine, rich Muslim land owners (not the rabble there now) would sell it to them with one hand, and hold signs saying “Death to the Jews” with the other. And then they would fund suicide bombers to go kill settlers. This was back at the turn of the century. Why? Because of hatred, pure and simple.
I think Reza aka curveball #2 has let his imagination get the best of him. Your ‘time spent’ in the revolutionary guard sounds more like time spent as a US prison guard in Iraq. Why dont you write a book about that instead, much more believable. Or maybe you should just stop trying to instigate a war that the states has been attempting to wage since the 70s and go do some good in the world. The US as a whole is too smart to fall for these nonsense babbles again. I hope….
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Oh Christ.. now we have to endure the Left’s clutching onto the word “curveball”
How many years will they milk that word for all it’s not worth?
It is very interesting that, although I have been listening for 8 years now to liberals squeal about Christo-fascists and quail at the coming Evangelical theocracy, including long diatribes about Dispensationalist theology (particularly with regard to the victory of Israel as a harbinger of Armaggedon), these same liberals are incapable of acknowledging or even conceiving of Twelver Shia Islamic eschatology, which its leaders openly and unapologetically espouse, and which has been the founding doctrine of the Islamic Revolution since Khomenei & Co. co-opted the event in 1979-80.
What is it with you people?
Oh and by the way, were today’s 9 missile tests in Iran a figment of Bushie propoganda, or were those real? Help me out – I’m just trying to establish a baseline here.
Free speech is one thing but common sense is another. When the Japanese code was broken during WW II the media spewed it across the airways and papers. Many US lives were lost because this secret was told. The NY Times editors should be in prison for treason along with Kerry and Fonda for their actions while we are at war. Remember the phrase, “Loose lips sink ships”. History tells us that the Germans broke the code of English during the war and the English refused to believe that it could happen and continued to use it for six months. How many military went to their graves because of that arrogance?
We continue to educate our enemies with our media.
It’s hard to call this a curveball anymore because it was pretty much expected. The lack of credibility here is partly due to the fact that this strategy has gotten quite old and stale.
Before Gulf war 1 we had Nayirah al-Sabah
Before Gulf war 2 we had Ahmad Chalabi
And now we have Reza Khalili.
… “But this one’s telling the truth, honest he is.”
It has been confirmed to me that “Reza Khalili” was an CIA asset working in Iran. This confirmation comes from a CIA operative who actively managed assets such as “Reza” during that same time period. For “Reza” and Roger Simon, in the words of my source “What ["Reza"] writes is true… he knows his stuff.”
The Ayatollah and his Iranian regime, under the aupices of international law, have been at war with the United States since the de facto formal declaration of war that occured with the 1979 seizure of the U.S. Embassy in Tehran.
To all sane, non-Leftists:
Don’t waste your time trying to argue with Leftists. You are never going to move them an inch…no matter how many facts you throw at them…no matter how many of their stupid ideas you shoot down. Engaging with them should only be an exercise in calling out and mocking their colossal ignorance and stupidity.
Their political views are a matter of faith for them – no different than another person’s religious views. Think about it: do you think that you could convince someone who believes in God to not believe in God? Exactly…so why are you wasting your time trying to convince Leftists that economic disparity, racism, and American imperialism are NOT at the root of all human conflict?
JeffA above states:
This is the never-ending, quixotic mantra of the Left – that there’s some “moral high ground” that we have yet to achieve before we have any authority to act; as though there’s some plurality between us and the head-choppers, child rapists, and woman-burners. You don’t get the “moral high ground” by listening to the Left…you get MORAL EQUIVALENCE and PARALYSIS.
Here…so you don’t have to waste any more of your time reading their inane bullsh!t, I’ll provide a summary:
1) CIA findings that serve to buttress Republican policies = PROPAGANDA
2) CIA findings that call into question Republican policies = TRUTH TO POWER
Isn’t that just wonderfully convenient?
There is ALWAYS another excuse for inaction…ALWAYS another bleeting of “but, what about when the US…”. They are moral cowards, incapable of even contemplating anything outside of their silly kum-by-yah, multicultural song lyrics. In their minds, the only evil people in the world are Republicans. The Kim Jong-Ils? The Ahmadinejads? The Mugabes? Well, they’re just naughty little boys who are acting out because their feelings have been hurt by the big ‘ol, mean US! But it’s OK: Mommy UN will take care of everything, using the tried-n-true methods that have made dictators and tyrants shake in their boots throughout history – “strongly worded condemnations” and “high-level diplomacy”.
Meanwhile, back in the real world, thousands of centrifuges are spinning somewhere in Iran. And when that mushroom cloud engulfs Tel Aviv or New York or London, the Leftists cockroaches will scurry away into their little dark holes…for a while. But once a couple of years have passed, they’ll slowly begin slinking out again and we’ll begin to hear that old, familiar song…
“But, what about when the US…”
On Iran’s door step – 150,000+ US Troops. On Iran’s shore – the end of Iran’s existance. Works for me. F%&K Iran and the liberal left cowards. Yellow cake secretely (as it should) taken out of Iraq, Truck tire tracks from heavey loads to Syria just before the war and a leader (Saddam) who believed he really did have WMDs (from his own words). President Bush told the truth, people lived. Leftists lied, people died.
This is how it reads after spell check – On Iran’s doorstep – 150,000+ US Troops. On Iran’s shore – the end of Iran’s existence. Works for me. F%&K Iran and the liberal left cowards. Yellow cake secretly (as it should) taken out of Iraq, Truck tire tracks from heavy loads to Syria just before the war and a leader (Saddam) who believed he really did have WMDs (from his own words). President Bush told the truth, people lived. Leftists lied, people died.
I rushed it out because it just angers me to hear the left crap on this great country again and again. To them all we believe in like GOD and COUNTRY, patriotism, service to others, freedom the right to even be born is something to be mocked and ridiculed. So screw them, I’ll just bitterly cling to my BIBLE and guns.
In my younger days I used to look back at the pre-WWII scene and ask myself how could people have been so blind? The handwriting was on the wall and the Nazis made no bones about what their intentions were. If action had been taken early on to enforce treaty restrictions and to roll back initial German military moves, while they were still relatively weak, WWII would almost certainly been averted. Instead, people like Churchill, who had the moral courage to face reality and advocate action, were villified as warmongers and the world suffered tremendously. To my absolute amazement and dismay, the same scenario seems to be playing out again. Iran makes no bones about what it wants to do with regard to the US and Israel and is developing nuclear weapons and missiles to deliver them. And all the while tools like those well represented in these comments lack the commonsense and courage to face reality. In my business we say that bad news doesn’t get better by denying it. It is a mindset I don’t understand, but apparently for many people it is much preferable to pretend that it isn’t really happening. But you can bet these same self-loathing losers will be the first to blame it all on George Bush if and when Iran starts slinging nukes around.
Does anyone know if there is a SIMPLE timeline of mid east terrorism? From the 50′s to current? Id’ love to see a chronology to include attack sites, person(s) behind plot and group affiliations. I’m not a genius and I know that I will not be able to remember all that Mr Khalili told us. My brain cant absorb and retain like it used to.
Thanks for any response
Neil,
The Jews have coexisted with many different religions throughout history. At one point or another, the certain forces within the different religions hated and killed Jews. Whether it was Babylonians, Egyptians, Persians, Canaanites, Greeks, Romans, Spanish, Germans, Catholics, and Protestants. Hatred is something that comes and goes. It’s not permanent. Many different civilizations have conquered the Holy Land. All of them ended up killing some Jews in the process. The culture that has controlled the Holy Land the longest was the Muslims, and for thousands of years (up until the nationalist Israeli movement seized power) the Muslims and Jews lived peaceably together–even as so-called Christians were killing Jews.
rvastar,
You said, “Don’t waste your time trying to argue with Leftists. You are never going to move them an inch…no matter how many facts you throw at them…no matter how many of their stupid ideas you shoot down. Engaging with them should only be an exercise in calling out and mocking their colossal ignorance and stupidity.”
And I agree with you to the extent that Peacemakers versus Warlovers will never agree.
What’s ironic though, is that I am sure you want to use US Dollars to pay for your crazy war plans–so you need the rest of America to go along with your insane, murderous efforts.
Since you need to tax or deficit spend (inflate) my money for your plans, please try to convince us that you can absolutely positively keep nuclear weapons out of the hands of terrorists for all time even long after we die–if not, then perhaps let’s reconsider trying to run the world with 700 military bases occupying most every country on Earth. Remember…we started with 13 Colonies. 232 years later and we have troops protecting our interests around the globe. Sound expansionist…imperialist?
Kathy I recall blogging about this, it is limited to attacks on US citizens.
http://hashmonean.com/2006/04/24/dod-terrorism-timeline-attacking-america/
“the Muslims and Jews lived peaceably together”
Significantly, “peace” and the “peace” of Islam – that is, there will be peace if and when you submit to Islam – are not entirely consonant. Perhaps you should look into the subject more and then get back to us on whether you’re still comfortable with your characterization.
I’ll intercede and submit that perhaps the anger toward the Jews has more to do with the fact of fanatical Muslim and especially Arab chauvanism, which dwarfs any you seem to be familiar with, and which can under no circumstances abide a formerly dhimmi people defeating its efforts to resubjugate or entirely evict or eradicate it. Sound like a notion only Republicans are capable of? Of course it does, you twit: it’s obvious where you get your opinions from.
Sean Osborne:
An extensive resume. I salute you and thank you for your service to this country.
Wed July 9, 2008
Our finger is on the trigger, Iran general says
Iran tested a long-range missile today in response to what it said were threats from Israel and the United States. “Our finger is always on the trigger and we have hundreds and even thousands of missiles ready to be fired,” said Gen. Hossein Salami, commander of the Revolutionary Guard ground forces.
Someone is remembering something wrong. The blast at the Marine barracks was NOT powered by TNT. It was a “gas bomb” which packs a much greater punch. A little research into this will show what I am talking about. The gas bomb cause was very well known at the time and was widely reported on.
I was considering a long rant about the difference in gas bombs vs. TNT but figured why put this information out? The point I am trying to make is that if your informant got this wrong then what else is he mistaken about?
Dokes
to DAN
so called `Iranian revolution` was in works in KGB-GRU apparatus since at least beginning of the 60s
yeas, they plan for decades.
Iran was a major oil partner for USA then.
There was an assassination attempt on Shah in 1967 if i am correct
iranian revolutionaries studied for years in KGB schools in USSR.
I met people in the 80s who worked for KGB-GRU in soviet union and they always commented Iran as their own project.
There is no IRAN independence whatsoever
`IRAN` is part of the kremlin territory of influence
their security services are totally merged
pajamas published several materials on iranian dicident been held in Moscow airport with iranian KGB guarding her righjt there in Sheremetevo Airport.
We dont know what happened to that poor lady and her kids(((( pajamas stopped reporting on it-
could be that Pajamas were warned by KGB i will not see it as paranoia at all
I am absolutely sure that IRANIAN aggressive behavior and current plans are part of kremlin-China plan to finally destabilize the WEST and attack USA under the cover of `stateless terrorist`.
hey provoke Israel, or if needed will attack it so the World is destabilized and attack on USA will be extremely harmful.
But this time it will be mass murder with nukes or bio-weapon on American territory((
An Amercian is someone willing to die on his feet,
Than to live on his knees.
Hey! I believe you kabud! I had the same sort of thought myself – also the take-over of the Grand Mosque in Mecca was I bet a Soviet operation. This book The Siege of Mecca by Trofimov sounds suspicious since there was a Col. Trofimov FSB agent who spoke in the press sometime ago – you know how these things work. Plus all the State Department docs he provides on his website show all our guys just assumed it was a Russian operation.
So I guess the whole point was to launch the “Revolution” with leftist, then co-opt it with Islamists so that the West wouldn’t be able to unify behind the anti-Communism line? Plus to have it occur during Carter’s presidency was pretty great. And people would argue “well it put Reagan in the White House,” but probably just like the Cuban Missile Crisis the point was to get the Americans to recognize the legitimacy of the regime, not to actually launch wars…
The more I live and learn the more I think Anatoliy Golitsyn was right. Too bad his side lost the political battle in the 1970s – I don’t see what good reason there is to doubt the basic thrust of his arguments really, even if the details might have changed since his defection in 1961.
Reza,
Sincere thanks, to you and those other brave souls who are sounding the firebell. To the enemies of America, and the leftists who just won’t pay attention: Don’t come running to our house asking for shelter, food, or guns after the mullahs drop a big one. You can’t have them.
Dan, it is not a thought-
it is reality.
My assosiate here in USA reveiled to me what a major adviser to the one of the biggest policy makers in the righjt wing camp told him sometime in the end of the 90s:
(in my words)
Golitsyn was a prophet. But our political and industrial elits will never admit it publicly even though they KNOW. But THE PROFITS from emerging markets mean more to them then Jesus Christ Himself. So they hope that kremlin will warn them before a FINAL STRIKE ON US of A.
Something like that.
We also know that there are very dangerous people advising our government on the most sensitive issues. Reports on some of them were filed with FBI long time ago but their influence is BIGGER THEN FBI
Check out google links on Pacepa, Golitsyn, Lunev, Joseph Douglas.
In 2006 my associates from ukrainian anticommunist underground were going to meet Litvinenko. We canceled that meeting because we got suspicious about his ties to berezovsky
That was a bad decision on our part. We could have learn a lot from him((( and he is gone now with lots of valuable info(((
grasp yourself- it looks like they are going to attack us soon.
The first act of terrorism in the Middle East was when Eisenhower’s CIA overthrew the democratically elected President of Iran in 1950. The brutal Shah was installed and began a widespread purge and suppression of rights. The Iranian people were terrorized by the Shah for many decades until the 1970′s when the news broke that the CIA did that to them. That’s when the Iranians overthrew the Shah and stormed our embassy and held Americans hostage.
The reason that the democratically elected Iranian President was overthrown is because he was a leftist and more inclined to make oil concessions with the Soviets than the USA. Allowing the Soviets to establish such a strong relationship with an oil rich colony seemed un-allowable at the time.
Of course, had we known then how crazy the Middle Easterners get about being controlled by Western Forces, we would have just allowed the Soviets to establish their foothold, and we would not have overthrown the left-leaning democratically elected Iranian President in 1950.
Why is it that so many people only think that Islamic terrorism is a recent phenomenon, triggered by the formation of the state of Israel? The Jewish settlements were being attacked in the 1890′s. In fact, go back to the beginnings of Muhammad’s career: when he left Mecca with about ten followers he went into exile at Yathrib (Medina), which was overwhelmingly a Jewish town and the outlying oases and communities were Jewish also. Within 15 years he had destroyed them all and killed most of the Jews. Islam is in perpetual enmity with anyone who does not submit to Muhammad’s sock puppet deity, “Allah.”
Some of you people are ABSOLUTELY LAZY. Intellectual sloth is a real sign of serious character weakness.
Because of that widespread laziness, and because so many people accept the lazy analysis of these people, we are DEFINITELY headed towards a major civilizational conflict. I am resigned to it. There is nothing I can do about it. When I talk to people about it, they either do not want to hear or they find it too incredible to cope with.
If the Iranian revolution was truly just an extension of the Soviet statecraft, why did the Kremlin allow Khomeini to butcher so much of the Communist and Socialist groups? And drive the others into exile. Hardly the result that Brezhnev was hoping for. You mean to tell me that the Kremlin and Dzerzhinsky Square was content to allow faithful Iranian Communists to be butchered?
to fred :
you should watch this
kremlin NEVER cared about stupid marxists, that lenin called useful idiots))))
all they care is MONEY AND POWER. Your money, man, they are unable to produce anything besides dead bodies.
there is no civilization conflict whatsoever:
it is enemy disinformation
all these people from kremlin and Beijing want is ALL your property and unlimited power over your life.
And you wife’s body and life and your children lives.
You and all your relatives will probably get killed in case they ever march to your street, say under OBAMA letting them to))
more than that: faithful communists ARE ALWAYS PUT FIRST AGAINST THE WALL AND SHOT. TO DEATH.
because when Kremlin grasps the power in the homeland of those idiots- they will discover that it is not what they hoped))))
so they will become very angry
well, you don’t even realize what awaits for you
it will go beyond your worst nightmare
in my Ukrainian homeland every SECOND person was killed in 1917-1955 period.
DO YOU UNDERSTAND what it means?
Do you understand that:
THEY ARE STILL AT POWER WITH THOUSANDS OF NUKES AND HUNDRED THOUSANDS TONS OF BIO AN CHEMICAL WEAPONS AT THEIR HAND?
Add Chinese hundreds of millions of soldiers ready to kill your women and children:
http://en.epochtimes.com/news/5-8-8/31055.html
thats all my friend to it.
kabud,
I am an implacable enemy of the Communists and Marxists. Plus, I used to be a Marxist over 30 years ago. I know these people like the back of my hand. I know how evil the ideology is, and what they want. So, you need not alert me to the danger they present. Also, I am well aware of what Lenin and Stalin did to the Ukraine. The neighborhood I grew up in, in Peabody, Massachusetts, had a number of Ukrainian families whose parents had to flee the Communists. I know all about it.
But, you must remember that Islam is the oldest surviving totalitarianism. It is more robust than Communism is, because those people believe in an afterlife. To be a shaheed is something they yearn for. Communist armies always needed political officers pointing pistols at the backs of the soldiers to get them to charge at the enemy. Communists do not want to die. Muslims do.
Kathy here’s a 1,000 year timeline on Islamic Terrorism. (Helpfully broken up by decades once the 1900′s arrives)
http://www.prophetofdoom.net/Islamic_Terrorism_Timeline.Islam
just one point:
check out how many books are printed in Muslim world, besides Koran of course and its `variations’
level of education there
CAN NOT PRODUCE ANY SUBSTANTIAL THREAT TO US
Muslims ARE JUST PURELY INSTRUMENTAL in hands of communists. Who, on the other hand have an excellent experience and MANUAL for power maximization
Check out Pacepa’ articles on HOW MUSLIM RADICALISM WAS CREATED BY KGB
or Litvinenko’ writings
or Zakaev’ material
Peace
kabud,
I’ve read Ion Pacepa’s articles. He’s very credible, but you underestimate the power of Allah’s minions. They were around 1,300 years before the Soviet Union and, unless we finally lower the boom on them, they will be around for a long time to come.
And I agree with you to the extent that Peacemakers versus Warlovers will never agree.
You’re absolutely right, Lefty…we have nothing to agree on. I mean, after all, history is just so replete with the successes of “peacemakers” in the face of tyrants and dictators.
Tell us, Lefty…who were the “peacemakers” that freed Spain from Ottoman rule?
Tell us, Lefty…who were the “peacemakers” that stopped the Ottoman’s at the Gates of Vienna?
Tell us, Lefty…who were the “peacemakers” that freed the US from British rule?
Tell us, Lefty…who were the “peacemakers” that won the Civil War?
Tell us, Lefty…who were the “peacemakers” that stopped the Axix powers in WWI?
Tell us, Lefty…who were the “peacemakers” that stopped the Nazis in WWII?
Tell us, Lefty…who were the “peacemakers” that stopped the massacres in Vietnam and Cambodia after you spineless cowards forced the US to withdraw from Vietnam?
Tell us, Lefty…who were the “peacemakers” that stopped the genocide in Rwanda?
Tell us, Lefty…who were the “peacemakers” that stopped the ethnic cleansing in Kosovo?
Tell us, Lefty…who were the “peacemakers” that stopped Saddam from feeding Iraqis into paper shredders?
Oh, and bang up job you “peacemakers” are doing in Darfur and Zimbabwe!
Great job, PeaceMaker!!!
What’s ironic though, is that I am sure you want to use US Dollars to pay for your crazy war plans–so you need the rest of America to go along with your insane, murderous efforts.
You’re absolutely right, Lefty…I most certainly want to use US dollars to pay for wars against Islamist barbarians. And guess what? That’s exactly what’s going to continue to happen. And there isn’t a damn thing that’s gonna change that…no matter what Obambi promises
So suck on that, sh!tstick.
Since you need to tax or deficit spend (inflate) my money for your plans, please try to convince us that you can absolutely positively keep nuclear weapons out of the hands of terrorists for all time even long after we die
I don’t need to convince you of anything, Lefty. YOUR MONEY IS GOING TO BE SPENT DOING EXACTLY THAT.
Gives me a warm, fuzzy feeling inside
Remember…we started with 13 Colonies. 232 years later and we have troops protecting our interests around the globe. Sound expansionist…imperialist?
No, it sounds like “reality”. For instance…tell us, Lefty…what problem do you have with the US navy protecting the world’s shipping lanes?
fred, i understand your point
well, 1300 years is kinda long ago
things changed
i know from the very source that MANIPULATING of muslims- is something kremlin people are very good at
so i see it as:
kremlin is a brain , muslims are used as an instrument including all that you pointed out and that i have to agree with you
Reza Khalili,
Thank you for your article and service.
As for the people doubting the information, much of it isn’t new. You’re just uneducated. Especially the stuff about Hojjatieh and its rise to power in Iran. You can take that to the bank.
Well, I guess this means all you numbskulls will just have to fill your paws and go and git you some Iranian bad guys so you can keep us all safe and secure just like you did on 9/11.
SOB,
You mean the attack planned and trained for almost entirely on Clinton’s watch?
I wonder what we could have done to prevent it which wouldn’t have produced howls of protest from the Nutroots? Profiling? No. More wiretaps? No. Using foreign intel here? No.
So, as usual, you’re full of BS SOB.
“The first act of terrorism in the Middle East was when Eisenhower’s CIA overthrew the democratically elected President of Iran in 1950. The brutal Shah was installed and began a widespread purge and suppression of rights.”
Total hogwash. 100% wrong.
to Chip on 9-11
may i suggest you this video:
if short of time watch from around
01:01:33/03:13:11
pay attention to her style not just words
it will answer all your questions
Clintons did the ground work
she finished the task
Dave Surls: that comment you responding is sooo wrong it’s comical.
The Left is PATHETIC. Emotional ignorant women.
That was excellent reporting Roger.
Mr. Khalili’s story makes perfect sense.
The Revolutionary Guard would have the motive men, money and material to carry out the Lockerbie bombing. Further, they would surely feed us taqiyya to avoid being blamed.
I shutter to think what an Iranian missile would do to the Green Zone in Iraq. Something must be done to stop the Iranians from further terrorist acts against Americans.
So… The comments section is not about commenting on the article anymore, it’s only for bashing either side of the political spectrum? It isn’t about who’s correct anymore, ladies and gentlemen. It’s about the safety of our nation.
But here’s the kicker: There have, since the dawn of our nation, been people willing to give their lives to bring us down. There will, until the very collapse of our society, be people in this world that loathe and despise us, simply for who we are and for what we stand. There is NOTHING that can be done to change the ideology of someone who has been taught since birth to hate us, with the exception of termination of life.
Now, on the Right, that (seemingly) isn’t a problem, as long as that life isn’t in utero. On the Left, the taking of a life is a heinous act that shouldn’t be commited in anything less than life-or-death situations, but the line between life and death seems to be a lot easier to find on all accounts these days.
But just because one man, an unconfirmed agent of the CIA, tells us these things that have been under the surface of the MSM for the past two decades, is NOT a cause to go to war with Iran.
Simple addition can tell you that they have, within their country, ideological fanatics hellbent on the destruction of America as an entity through nuclear devices: They have nuclear centrifuges + they don’t like UN sanctions on enrichement of U-238 = they are, in all probability, on their way to building a nuclear weapon.
And, in the midst of all of this, Americans are torn between which hit reality TV show to watch next, regardless of their supposed political standpoint.
You want a war? Educate people. You want to avert a war? Educate people. Don’t stand their with your ignorance paddle sending you further up stupid creek by calling the other side names, paisanos. Teach people the truth about what’s going on in the world, open their eyes, make them look beyond Fox News and CNN and the MSM. SHOW THEM, with WORDS, FACTS, that there is an entire WORLD out there that doesn’t revolve around them. We live in a country full of people that are so willing to wear blinders and focus on their own lives, but by bashing the left or the right we are doing nothing but perpetrating this ignorance.
to my previous message:
i forgot to insert a link on ms Rise testimony in 2004 to 9-11 committee
http://www.c-spanarchives.org/library/index.php?main_page=product_video_info&products_id=181228-1&highlight=Rice
Democritus,
I take issue with your comment regarding the taking of life: “Now, on the Right, that (seemingly) isn’t a problem, as long as that life isn’t in utero. On the Left, the taking of a life is a heinous act that shouldn’t be commited in anything less than life-or-death situations,…”
In thousands of madrasas all over the world, young minds are being filled with hatred towards America and young recruits are being groomed for suicide missions. These people are driven by an ideology that is unfathomable to those of us who love life and love freedom. 9/11 should’ve made clear to everyone that we ARE in a life or death situation. The fact that we haven’t been attacked since then isn’t due to their lack of trying. They are relentless and only need the next opportunity.
NO ONE, on the right or left, takes lightly the killing of another. The difference is in the ability to see clearly without interjecting our own concepts about human nature (OUR belief that people will treat you the way you treat them doesn’t make it true) and the courage to do what we have to, however distasteful, to protect our citizenry and our freedoms.
>The fact that we haven’t been attacked since then isn’t due to their lack of trying.
may i suggest an answer to why:
remember dot com market crush in 2000-2001?
that exactly why attack was happening then.
Kremlin was behind it. They created this strategic plan long time ago and in essence it is about destruction of our system:
next attack will take place when our country will go to crisis and the deeper crisis will be – the more devastating will be kremlin’ strike
9-11 was kind of a test as well as anthrax scare
next time …well just get ready.
Can we make our rotten government
ACT BEFORE WE ALL INCLUDING THEM ARE DEAD?
“I believe President Bush is going to order air strikes (on Iran) before he leaves office”
-Norman Podhoretz (Lyons, 2007).
Bush and his cronies say they want peace and diplomacy, but the problem with the members of Bush administration is that you can’t trust them. You can’t take what they at face value. As former Nixon aide John W. Dean wrote, “George W. Bush and Richard B. Cheney have created the most secretive presidency of my lifetime. Their secrecy is far worse than during Watergate” (quoted in Wittkopf and Jones, 2008, 329).
The administration secretly planned and prepared for war with Iraq without disclosing it to the general public. Planning began in November of 2001 and included upgrading airfields in various Gulf countries, moving supplies to the region and the construction of necessary facilities. By April 2002, the planning and preparation for war was also being hidden from Congress. Bush had instructed General Tommy Franks not to make financial requests through Washington. “Anything you need, you’ll have.” The money would no longer be appropriated through congress. By the end of July 2002, Bush had approved more than thirty projects totaling over $700 million. Congress had no knowledge or involvement (Woodward, 2004, 122).
In December of 2002, Bush and Rumsfeld agreed to start secretly deploying troops into the theatre so as not to attract the attention of the press or the rest of the world. The first deployment order went out on December 6, 2002 and deployments continued every two weeks or so thereafter. Troops were given less than a week’s notice at times. In January 2003, the Bush administration arranged for much of its humanitarian relief to be disguised as general contributions to conceal its war planning from the NGO recipients. Yet, when asked about Iraq, Bush’s favorite response was “I have no war plans on my desk.” At one point or another after the planning began, nearly every member of the administration publicly denied any plans to go to war with Iraq (Woodward, 2004, 129).
A better approach to Iran would be negotiations. While Fareed Zakaria agrees that there is no reason not to use sanctions and embargoes against states such as Iran, he suggests that we also need to “allow a viable way out.” That is to say, we need to negotiate and not merely mandate.
Un-Lincoln,
“Hatred is something that comes and goes. It’s not permanent.”
To quote Yoda: That is why you fail.
Every single mistake in politics, policy and diplomacy is predicated on the belief that humanity is basically good. And I understand why people believe that. The Self just can’t handle the destruction of itself. It’s the reason I believe Nietzsche killed himself. He knew humanity was evil, and since humanity had already killed God, he had no hope. All there was in the world was the Will to Power.
But, it’s wrong. Humanity is filled with rage, and it is permanent. Maybe not on a practical day to day level, but certainly on a human nature level. It doesn’t take much for the whitewash of “civilization” and culture to reduce people to hate-filled savages. Look at Germany of the 1940s. Everyday folks from all walks of life in a very cultured and technological society, slaughtering millions without much thought. Actually, that’s not fair. That’s the story of all of Europe for the last 500 years.
So, no, hatred is permanent. Just because people don’t express the most amount of hatred possible every day doesn’t mean it isn’t there all of the time. Rotten meat stinks because it’s rotten, but it can still be rotten and not stink yet.
John,
Your argument is very logical and it has worked(Negotiations) with many adversaries.
If only logic applied to the mullahs then there would be a way out. However you are missing the point,a nuclear capable Iran will threaten the livelihood of the West and create so much uncertainty and insecurity which will cause major imbalance in the world’s economy .America’s economy is the target here and that’s exactly why they have got the U.S. forces bugged down in Iraq. After the invasion of Iraq,the guards did an analysis of the cost and the effect on the oil prices and based their strategy on that and not only started the attacks on the U.S. forces (Basra and Najaf is in their pocket) but also speed up their Nuclear project knowing it will be very difficult for the U.S. to act.
This is what the Supreme leader Ali Khamenei said about Imad Mughniyeh ,the master mind terrorist working with Iranian Quds forces:
The martyrdom of our mujahid, devoted and selfless brother haj Imad Moghniah was a great victory and prosperous end for him and is a source of honor for the Lebanese nation …
The crime-ridden and bloodthirsty Zionists must know that the holy blood of martyrs like Imad Moghniah create thousands of other Moghniahs, and this doubles the force of resistance against oppression, corruption and insurgency.
May Allah bestow Paradise on him and on all mujahidin who strive for the sake of righteousness.
And more from the Supreme leader:
“this cancerous tumor of a state Israel should be removed from the region.”
>If only logic applied to the mullahs then there would be a way out
Oh, there is a perfect logic behind this.
It was created by Marx and successfully applied in USSR:
they are getting closer to world domination. Mullahs are just instrumental: if they will do what kremlin needs- they gonna be exterminated very fast. Just give them some time. Strategic planing is designed for decades.
>America’s economy is the target here
ABSOLUTELY.
>nuclear capable Iran will threaten the livelihood of the West and create so much uncertainty and insecurity which will cause major imbalance in the world’s economy
NO DOUBT.
What do you sugest?
Do you agree with
http://www.jrnyquist.com/media/Homayoun%20Interview.mp3
?
Democtitus – Just Educate! That’s a nice bumper sticker answer with only one glaring problem. Lies, liars and the liars that tell lies while “educating” the gullible,useful idiots they need to further their cause. One mans education is another mans propoganda.
Regardless of your theology, and we ALL have one, I choose to error on the side of peace through strategic aggression vs. appeasment of the sponsors of terror and negotiation with implied threat vs. why can’t we all just get along. Obviously, we don’t always have to strike the bad characters with the sword of correction but we damn well better have a sword and be ready to use it even pre-emptively.
I can hear the whiners already… who says we should be “correcting” anyone when we’ve got our own problems. Well, life just isn’t that simple anymore is it? There is absolute truth and whether you choose to believe it or not doesn’t change the facts.
I can only conclude, based on the evidence, that the education through propoganda by the world forces and ideologies that desire to subjugate and dominate in the name of greed and power (including theology) have had tremendous success in polluting the weak minds of those who can’t or won’t think for themselves.
While the world struggles with the reality of madmen bent on destruction, some would rather prepare to defend what we hold dear, as imperfect as it is, rather than the alternative which is to criticize and condemm those who take a firm stand to work with one hand and carry our sword in the other.
http://azadeganiran.com/
Umm, this guy isn’t very intelligent to be doing intelligence. Of course the guard talked about getting nuclear weapons, they were threatened by the U.S. Did they actually do it? no. I talk a lot about how I think George Bush should be prosecuted, and put in jail somewhere offshore where he can be tortured. Does that mean its going to happen? no.
Whats the point of him coming out and telling us this? Did he not report this to the CIA? Are the records not available? How can this ever be more than propoganda when he remains anonymous?
This is the kind of shit people should go to jail for. MAKING UP STORIES.
Let me tell you a more interesting story:
I hosted a party and invited some friends who were married to military men. They were marines. This is what they did. They drank, they got wasted, and then they talked about shooting innocent Iraqi’s (but they called them towel heads). They talked about human target practice. Numerous people from the party were disgusted, and we decided that we would report them to the local military office to hopefully press charges. The office refused to take a complaint even though these soldiers admitted to killing innocent unarmed civilians to “test fire” weapons.
“Iran’s current defense minister, Mostafa Najjar, was in charge of the Revolutionary Guards forces in Lebanon that facilitated the attack on the Marine Corps barracks in Beirut on Oct. 23, 1983, killing 241 U.S. servicemen with the largest non-nuclear bomb in history. The current deputy defense minister, Ahmad Vahidi, was the commander of the Quds Forces and the chief intelligence officer of the Guards, in charge of the terrorist activities outside of Iran. He had received authorization for taking the fight to the U.S forces and Israel’s interests around the world directly from Imam Khomeini, the supreme leader at the time. The operations in Lebanon were coordinated by these two men.”
There is only one way to deal with the mad mullahs and their terrorist proxies, and that’s to destroy them with an all-out military attack.
The mad mullahs killed Americans then, they’re killing Israelis now, and it’s time we put an end to it…permanently.
Negotiations? We should employ the same kind of negotiations we engaged in with the Nazis…unconditional surrender or die.
to John Smith
publish their names and everything you know about them
where did you report them?
publish your report, names of people you reported to
publish here and anywhere you can
things like that IF YOU TELLING THE TRUTH of course must be published:
it will prevent negative effects of future Abu Grabe on our policy
то Dave Surls
kremlin plans to get us engaged in Iran basically for this reason:
iranians hate their regime VERY VERY MUCH
Iranian people- is the only solution to the problem. We can only help them and support them
But if we and Israel will attack Iran and there going to becasualties or iranian kgb WILL CREATE CASUALTIES for that effect:
mullahs will be able to rally people against us ,
mullahs will get public support that they dont have now
we will be engaged in the conflict not AGAINST KGB AND MULLAHS
but against IRANIAN PEOPLE
and we will lose big time
in a mean time kremlin and beijing stalking horses will attack us at our home land with WMD
and you and i as a subjects of this discussion will seize to exist
“kremlin plans to get us engaged in Iran basically for this reason”
Good for the Russkis. We should help them out with their plans by attacking Iran, driving the mad mullahs from power and then killing as many of the Khomenists as we can get our hands on once we hold Tehran, Tabriz, Isfahan, etc.
Then, once that’s done, we invade the Bekka Valley and exterminate Hezbollah like the vermin they are.
Then we say: Attention, world! This is what happens when foreign nations attack America and kidnap or murder our citizens. We destroy you. Please look at Afghanistan, Iraq and Iran for examples of how this theory works in real life.
If we keep doing this, eventually even Muslim fanatics will get the message.
Dave, it is not muslim fanatics, they are incapable of anything, they are like guns that don’t kill people- PEOPLE kill people
by the way kremlin is less russian then you are: they exterminated half of population of Russia in 1917-1955. What is left is like it is described here:
http://www.jrnyquist.com/cibulka_2004_0816.htm
The Czech nation, after 42 years of communism and 15 years of post-communism, is so demoralized and disintegrated that it has already give up on all its normal functions as a nation. The birth rate is the second lowest in Europe. We are a fast-dying nation. Our geopolitical space is being filled up with Russian-speaking people. This highly negative process is fully supported by all post-communist governments. Civic duty in the Czech Republic has fallen to such an extent, for example, that the recent elections to the European Parliament only saw a 25 percent turnout.
BUT MUCH WORSE((
well, try to make an effort and understand:
kremlin is not something that you can understand by projecting american way of comprehension
think in terms of rocket scientists become psychotic serial killers.
We deal with a system that for almost 100 years is actively perusing its world domination thru terrorism, wars and MAINLY thru subversion of OUR WAYS OF PERCEPTION
Memri reports…
‘Ali Khamenei: “When the president of the Iranian people travels to countries in Asia, Africa, and South America, the peoples cry out slogans in his praise. They demonstrate in support of him. When the American president visits countries in South America, which is the backyard of the U.S.A, the peoples there welcome him by burning the American flag…”’
‘Crowd chanting: “Death to America. Death to America. Death to America. Death to America. Death to America. Death to America. Death to America”’
Get a clue, morons. These people are not our friends. They’ve already attacked us both directly and via their terrorist proxies, and they’re going to do it again…unless we get to them first.
Wake the f**k up.
I am amazed at the ignorance of the American people on military strategy in this generation. There is not even any imagination or questioning as to why it might be we put our armed forces in Iraq and then invited Bin Laden’s lackies to come on over and get the big Satan!
If you are going to comment on the pros and cons of military actions, you should have some basic knowledge of military strategy. Otherwise you are like first graders commenting on physics. All you can do is repeat what other people, ignorant of military strategy, say.
At one time the major newspapers actually had military experts commenting on military action and discussing strategy – pro and con. They put the pieces together…connected the dots for the people to understand and analyze. They knew what they were talking about and educated the public along the way.
Now we have little 1960′s sloganeers from the anti-war left feeding “information” to the public on military actions, intentions and strategies. Not a clue about strategy; not enough brains to wonder why would Bush’s military advisors have planted our military in Iraq, taken out Saddam and invited the terrorists into a stragetically selected offshore battlefield.
Bush can not tell you because he is not going to give away our military strategy to our enemies. We are supposed to have real informed military experts talking about what could be going on as far as strategy goes in our newspapers. Americans used to know and understand this. They are supposed to know to seek it out.
Now we only hear stupid slogans of anti-war journalists who know absolutely nothing of what they cover and have disrespect for any type of self defense or National defense. They are anit-gun; anti-war…why? Because the military hurts people and breaks things and that is baaaaad. Guns kill people and they are baaaad. We have a first graders analysis of defense and foreign relations. We have anti-war activists telling us what is going on. And then we have the ego to think we know what is going on? It is shocking and pitiful.
If one is to comment on this war, he or she would have to be reading military strategy web sites. In educating yourself about military strategy, you would have to gain a big picture of what we face in maintaining our National security. That is where you find intellegence – or the lack thereof – the military is dealing with and responding to. That is where the real arguments of strategy occur; and some agreed with Rumsfeld and some were against his strategy; rather for what they argued was a better strategy in Iraq. War not all neat and tidy; it changes as we fight. That is not failure or “lies” – it is reality of war.
On military strategy web sites you would find out the real reasons why military leaders wanted to get close to our enemy, Bin Laden’s jihadists, and take out Saddam while putting our military next to Iran and Syria. Can anybody let their imaginations stretch to see why this might be, given what we do know of “yellow cake” in Iraq and the Revolutionary Guard in Iran and it’s nuke program? How about the possibility we wanted the jihadists in Iraq to get information on their plans for harming the US and our allies and to whip them like the weak dogs they are! How about what the Iraqi jihadists revealed about themselves to the Muslims they used as fodder versus the way the US Military treated them? Bin Laden’s jihadists went from Islamic heros to zeros on the Arab Street. There is so much more if one uses their brain even though the President can not stand up and explain all the details to you like the first grade teacher can. You are supposed to be smart enough to have the couriosty to find out this stuff. You are not supposed to listen to “activsits” who are dumb as a box of rocks.
I am not a pacifist. Someone comes in my front door uninvited to harm me or my family – they will be shot. Nations that gear towards harming us Nationally, I want defeated. There are bad guys and there are good guys and the good guys are mean to the bad guys when it comes to offense and defense planning. Iran looks at us as the bad guys and themselves as the good guys and they are mean to us. That is life and to survive you face reality have to join the home team.
Western anti-war hecklers are a ignorant lot filled with illusions of Utopia. Any reality that does not fit into Utopia is a plot, lie or a trick by your home team. Any flaw in the war becomes your view of the war and the soldiers because you only read what anti-war activists want you to know and what they know – which is nothing.
You are not a “citizen of the world”; half the world would cut off your head just as soon as look at you. That goes for any foreigner – not just the US. They don’t welcome foreigners into their territory! We are a world of Nations and citizens. You love your enemies even while they would slit your throat because you are too uneducated to know they would slit your throat. The Left always loves the ones who hate us most. Well, you can be sheeple and die for the West’s radical left and their Mullahs in Iran with your anti-war slogans and first grade knowledge, but I am not with you on any of that. Being stupid is no way to go through life as an adult.
i agree with david – there is no evidence that we can get the iranian people(s) to rise up against the mullahs in the time-frame we need them to. how’re we going to know the dissidents we deliver money to are being used by the dissidents or being diverted to the mullahs? what happens if this doesn’t work, as it very well may not, and in the meantime the islamic revolution gets the bomb? the calculations would change pretty quickly, no?
dan:
check out links on iran i posted around and may be you can comment later
the game IS: to get us engaged and rally Iranians against us
so if we or Israel choose to attack – we should design it in a way that we use both:
1.iranian decent
2.our military force
something to the effect of what we did in Yugoslavia
Iranian expert claims that mullahs have no support inside even among clerics there is wide spread decent
more is known: it is a very oppressive kgb style regime, we have top study it and work smartly
i had some exposure in some places in eastern europe to the operations like Homayoun is advocating: it worked pretty well. could be even better if Washington would have a better understanding of the situation or at least WILLING to understand
But still i suspect that there are ill-advisers to our President who play a key role in it.
SARA
So i am reading you rant. Attentively reading. I suppose you are a female? Well, nice grasp you got on the military subject)))
First 5 paragraphs you just air your temperament on us. Alright, we can handle a hot chick approach)))
Then you go on claiming that our Government has a GOOD strategy.
Did they have it so good BEFORE 9-11?
Then WHY did it happen?
Did they have it so good that they missed the whole deception thing by kremlin and china since late 80s?
Did they have it so good that they missed kgb take over in Iran in 1979?
I challenge you to prove that the quality of US military strategy changed. Go for it with all your emotional strength woman!
I just laugh at you and you deserve it.
Kabud: An empty headed sloganeer playing the part of a sexist to degrade the person suggesting Kabud use his brain when deciding on our current military strategy and foreign policy. I’m an emotional little girl – unlike the great and powerful heckler, Kabud with a dick and a first grade level knowledge of “world peace.” Peace, peace, Kabud. Peace.
Everything about the military stragegy in Iraq is available to you to read for yourself. Try reading, Kabud. Did you ever hear the big people talk about a change in strategy called “the surge?” Reading is not so bad, really. Slogans are easy and sexism…well you reveal your little self to be at the first grade level, don’t you.
Kabud, that was the CIA who missed the coming fall of the Soviet Union. As a American man, you should be interested to research that question yourself: how did the CIA miss the coming fall of the USSR? What a screwed up Agency, huh? Seems to me if Americans were smarter than hecklers, they would want answers and changes in response to your question.
You should ask Clinton’s military people about his strategy after the first World Trade Center bombing – not me or the military leaders currently in power. There is a thing in the US called a constitution and you see, that makes the President the commander over military forces and National defense strategies. Clinton was the commander in Chief while Bin Laden attacked the US – more than once. If you were a man reader, you would find that Clinton had no US defense military strategy because, like you, he was not interested in US defense. He gave our military over to the UN to defend….MUSLIMS while we were being attacked by…MUSLIMS! Were you big enough to read about that war, Kabud? Clinton was a 60′s anti-war man and so was his co-president. Which is why we were attacked on 911. Now we have a new Commander in Chief who is intersted in National Defense, which is why we responded to the jihadists and why we have no been attacked again.
I know you don’t like reading long things, being more comfortable with first grade level slogans written by girls in pink, but do you remember reading anything about Bin Laden being offered up to Clinton after his many attacks on the US? Read, Kabud. Even a girl can read so a thing with dick should be twice as good at it, if you would only try! Why did Clinton not take him into US custody?
well, Sara , i DID enjoy it))))))) kisses)))
well let me get back to business, i am going to deconstruct you(your post) to atoms)))
Although i suspect you emotions and hormones will never let your mind work ON THE LEVEL but i give you a try)))
So, lets start:
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>Kabud: An empty headed sloganeer playing the part of a sexist to degrade >the person suggesting Kabud use his brain when deciding on our current >military strategy and foreign policy.
no clue what u wanted to say except that i am a bad guy)) laughs to follow)))
>I’m an emotional little girl – unlike the great and powerful heckler, Kabud with a dick and a first grade level knowledge of “world peace.” Peace, peace, Kabud. Peace.
well, on the subject of emotions i answerd in 1st par))) but no peace to you cause stupid don’t deserve it))
>Everything about the military stragegy in Iraq is available to you to read >for yourself.
even more: my associate traveled there as a political consultant in 2005)))
cant tell no more- classified. no smilies though.
>Try reading, Kabud. Did you ever hear the big people talk about a change >in strategy called “the surge?” Reading is not so bad, really. Slogans are >easy and sexism…well you reveal your little self to be at the first grade >level, don’t you.
by the way: why do you Sara discuss Iraq here? I did not say a word on Iraq and if you wont be so stupid you even could have checked the article title:
former-cia-agent-in-iran-comes-in-from-the-heat
As far as military strategy in Iraq- i have NO COMMENTS. I support the President fully in it and never claimed that i have any knowledge in current military strategy of US there. But i can comment on political strategy issues in conjunction to Iraq situation. Clean your lenses and check the rag.
>Kabud, that was the CIA who missed the coming fall of the Soviet Union. As >a American man, you should be interested to research that question >yourself: how did the CIA miss the coming fall of the USSR? What a screwed >up Agency, huh? Seems to me if Americans were smarter than hecklers, they >would want answers and changes in response to your question.
MOLES. Subversion. Stupidity. Bribes, penetration on the highest level. Treason. According to the analysis my associate did there are at least 6 high level moles in CIA as we speak. Reports were filed if u dare to ask. I did not just research: i also warned- when i could- and am WARNING CONSTANTLY. Angleton and Golitsyn also tried, but to no avail. I am serious.
>You should ask Clinton’s military people about his strategy after the >first World Trade Center bombing – not me or the military leaders >currently in power.
EXACTLY. ask clinton and after Clinton. Listen, girl, watch this:
http://www.c-spanarchives.org/library/index.php?main_page=product_video_info&products_id=181228-1&highlight=Rice
and pay attention. Ask questions if it is hard to understand. Or read here
http://www.financialsense.com/editorials/douglass/2004/0330.html
>There is a thing in the US called a constitution and
>you see, that makes the President the commander over military forces and
>National defense strategies. Clinton was the commander in Chief while Bin
>Laden attacked the US – more than once.
blahblahblah, seems like you are in 2nd grade. You are so infantile(((
No difference: clinton of course did much more harm but the other one unfortunately DID NOT CORRECT IT. And people died. Although he could.
>If you were a man reader, you
>would find that Clinton had no US defense military strategy because, like
>you, he was not interested in US defense.
How do you know? WATCH CONDOLEEZZA testemony AGAIN AND AGAIN. LEARN.
>He gave our military over to the
>UN to defend….MUSLIMS while we were being attacked by…MUSLIMS! Were you
>big enough to read about that war, Kabud? Clinton was a 60’s anti-war man
>and so was his co-president. Which is why we were attacked on 911. Now we
>have a new Commander in Chief who is intersted in National Defense, which
>is why we responded to the jihadists and why we have no been attacked
>again.
You are boring me. Beleve me i know things about clinton sponsors that you would not even dare to imagine. There are facts known to me that may point to clintons using contract killers from soviet mafia sponsors to silence people in USA. You dont have ANYTHING interesting to produce. I am givin up on you. Evaporate.
>I know you don’t like reading long things, being more comfortable with first grade level slogans written by girls in pink,
This girl in pink is you my dear. if you want details- click on my name and comunicate personaly. There are things i cant put in public here, but if you rally interested – we can use your help. We are recruiting.
>but do you remember reading anything about Bin Laden being offered up to Clinton after his many attacks on the US?
of course. And i know why he refused. Because he knew the Laden works for the same people he worked. No: WORKS.
>Read, Kabud. Even a girl can read so a thing with dick should be twice as good at it, if you would only try! Why did Clinton not take him into US custody?
well, i am disapointed. I thought you are MAY BE Anne Korin. I was Wrong.
anyway if you are interested- you can help our cause. May be we can find some common grounds
Whoa.
I checked out those iran resistance sites kabud. Personally, I think the biggest block to an action against Iran is probably (1) European intransigence, and (2) Chinese investment – and I just don’t see how the people of Iran can be relied upon to rise. I agree with you that the Revolutionary Guard, KGB-style, will make it difficult in the media; also, it’s not clear to me what shape they’re in to fight. Of course, we hear lots of things about Iranian air defenses imported from Russia – but then we have the recent example of the Israeli airstrike against the Syrian-NK facility, where Russian air defenses apparently did not help them much.
But then, of course, the problem is that we really don’t have the information we’d like to have, since here we are, just civilians at our computers.
The problem is I don’t see how allowing Iran to have domestic nuclear weapons production capability and nuclear weapons themselves will result in a better situation than one in which we go to war with them in one way or another. A nuclear Iran panics the Arabs and removes any reluctance on their part from having them – we’ve already had to acquiesce to Abdullah’s request for nuclear energy technology assistance, which is obviously an absurd proposition except from the point of view that perhaps he extracted it from us in order to communicate to the USA that if Iran went nuclear then so would Saudi Arabia, just as they will match Iran’s “peaceful” nuclear program.
The basic problem with the Left’s position is that it leaves out entirely the character of the Iranian regime and the well-known and well-advertised links with Hezbollah – which just, by the way, effectively took over Lebanon. We know from the 9/11 report that Iran has connections with al Qaeda; we know Qods Force are in Iran.
Geostrategically, the whole point is to deprive the Moscow-Beijing axis of this strategic soft underbelly to manipulate. For this we probably have to take over these states. Or else I think we should give up hope, unless there is some collection of groups that really is capable, with US money and support, of whipping up the Iranians into a force capable of overwhelming the Mullahs. I just don’t see it. Of course, who knows? I’m not in Iran, and they have strict media control. But a student rising here, and a bomb there, a Baloch independence militia over there, some Arabs in the Southwest provinces tired of Persian dominance – can these add up to a revolt or revolution?
As Bezmenov says, “there are no grass-roots revolutions period. Every revolution is a product of a highly organized and professional group – it has nothing to do with grassroots.” Probably the case in Iran, or so it seems to this American voter.
to Sara
http://www.financialsense.com/editorials/douglass/2004/0412.html
on Condoleezza, cause i am sure u would not watch the video attentively enough
>here we are, just civilians at our computers.
not exactly. As i mentioned before: i was involved in some well u may call it operation in Eastern Europe.
An associate of mine tried to convince people in Dep of State to WORK on Iran in the similar fashion we did in E.E.
NO INTEREST there. It mas 2005-2006. WE KNEW what is coming. Everyone knew.
BUT : someone was blocking any possible progress.
Although earlier we had some things financed from the sources close to republican party and i guess even from McCain fund or something- not sure at the moment.
I hope those Iranians will have more support from Dep of State
exactly, but bezmenov was a kgb man. he knew things that THEY knew.
we see it differently and proved our vision in successful operation we conducted
may be we are those professional and the most important HIGHLY MOTIVATED IDEALISTIC organizers
“Dave, it is not muslim fanatics…”
Yeah, I know, you think this is all a plot by the NKVD or SMERSH or something.
Dude, you need to lay off the James Bond books.
i never read any of those
things i write here i learned from life and contacts with people who actually participated in ME operations in 70s and 80s
you can read about it in many articles by Pacepa, Nyquist, Lunev, Golitsyn books
there is nothing to prove or not to prove
it is about life and death
warnings were issued before 9-11 but they were not taken seriously
In May of 2007 FBI director gave a press conference and warned again about nukes
You consider FBI an entertaining venue? Like some people in the other discussion comment on Rush Limbo))))
I have lots of entertaining things to amuse myself with, i live in NY, tomorrow i will go to a 15 thousand huge rave, -
there is no point for me to argue with ignorant people.
i do write this because i want to die with a clean consciousness and warn others when there is still some time to change the course
Ab:
If you’ve ever attended a party full of College Republicans, you’d understand that my semi-slanderous comment about the Right having little problem with the taking of another life. I’ve heard people talk with unrelenting bigoted hatred of a people that they don’t even know, of how they wished that they could pull the trigger themselves. When it comes down to it, I doubt that they’d actually have the cojones, but to hear them speak with such ignorance is nigh unbearable.
There are people that are trained to hate America, of course. It’s called Zealotry, and we have our own (though less severe) forms of it in the United States.
Don’t give up hope for education. It will probably take a major event to change peoples minds, but don’t give up hope. Change will be brought about, in one way or another. There is no way to convince people that the United States isn’t nearly as godless and soulless as our media portrays us, though a good percentage of the populace falls into the category of ‘brain-dead’. It is for this reason I propose a blanket legalization of all illegal drugs, creating a Darwinian survival-of-the-fittest, and hopefully purging the idiocracy of this once-great nation.
So the radical forces in Iran, including Khomeni, who have said that acquisition of the atom bomb is “against Islam”, have finally found a way to get around their “God’s will”, by making it sound like it IS their “God’s will” and wrap it up in the idea of the 12th Imam returning. This is just their excuse to acquire and use the A-bomb all along. What a bandwagon to jump on to! WoW – I’ll bet that organization of America & Zion-Haters Club is growing in numbers since they came up with THAT idea.
Democritus re: Ab:
You are so naive to think that it is for any human to change Allah’s will as written in the Quran. Ha! You will go down with all the rest.
Andromeda:
Tehran as a representation of center of occupation regime has no right over Iranian People except a right for Iran Nuremberg Trial
and execution by People of Iran
When that is accomplish and it WILL BE
then People will decide what they want to be
And they will be better then Japan or Israel technologically and will be in USA_ISRAEL_IRAN military Union.
5 million emigrants will come back and bring prosperity and KNOWLEDGE
Allah Akbar
http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/3589/us-iraq-lie.html
The PLO/ Fatah originally had close ties with Ayatollah Khomeini’s government right after the overthrow of the Shah of Iran in 1978, due largely to their shared hostility to both Israel and the old Iranian leadership. But after Yasser Arafat supported Saddam Hussein during the Iran-Iraq War, the PLO-Iranian relationship was destroyed during the 1980s.
I believe the action was carried out with help from PLO/Fatah and a faction commanded by Abu Nidal he was strongly against the Iran revolution and avid supporter of MEK (Mujahedin-e Khalq).
He used Libyan intelligence gleaned from Abdel Basset Ali al-Megrahi.
So there is an Iranian connection but with the revolutions enemys.
“A classified document prepared for the Multi-National Force during the first Gulf War reads: “Mohtashemi is closely connected with the Al Abas and Abu Nidal terrorist groups. He is actually a long-time friend of Abu Nidal. He has recently paid $10 million in cash and gold to these two organizations to carry out terrorist activities and was the one who paid the same amount to bomb Pan Am Flight 103 in retaliation for the US shoot-down of the Iranian Airbus.
American officials say that Hojatolislam Ali Akbar Mohtashemi, a fundamentalist Shiite cleric has been a leading figure in Iran’s support for terrorist actions against Western countries over the last decade.
In his years as Iran’s Ambassador to Syria, from 1982 to 1985, Hojatolislam Mohtashemi established and expanded the Shiite group in Lebanon that holds most of the American hostages. Administration officials say they also believe that Hojatolislam Mohtashemi set in motion the destruction of Pan Am Flight 103, which was blown apart by a bomb over Lockerbie, Scotland, last December, killing all 259 aboard.”
A former member of the Iranian intelligence accused Iran of the Pan Am bombing:
Pan Am 103: Iranian defector alleges Tehran linked to Lockerbie bombing
http://www.wsws.org/articles/2000/jun2000/lock-j15.shtml
Lockerbie trial was a CIA fix, US intelligence insider claims PAN AM
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qn4156/is_20061112/ai_n16845641
RS:
just from one single fact: oil price it is easy to figure what happened.
If you look at the oil price graph you will find that 1999 is a minimum, 2000 and 2001 – the price is still very low
2001- 9-11 happened, Afghanistan war began
2003- Iraq war began in spring
2003- N Korea ballistic missile test in september(?)
Exactly in 2003 oil price goes UP and never stoped its climb
Now lets see who benefits the most.
2 major oil/gas exporters in the world with close to 10 million barrels daily EACH:
1.Saudis
2.Moscow
9-11 was a provocation to engage us in a war in the ME and make out of USA a devil in the eyes of Muslims.
It worked to the almost fantastic success on their part. Not just in ME but in the Western Europe and in the USA!!!!
Same but even worth results will yield from possible war in IRAN.
This time Gulf oil will be locked,
Russia will remain as a single oil exporter
oil price will reach $ 1000 (ONE THOUSAND IT IS) a barel and may be even more
The radical forces in Iran and their nutty end of times invisible man drivel is almost as intellectually bankrupt as the notion that his imaginary friend Jesus can swim out of the dirt back to life only after the Jews have been returned to their ‘homeland’ (Israel).
Total insanity, with a dash of delusion goes both ways. Why is it ok for the US, via the CIA, to commit acts of “terrorism” and wreak havoc in other nations business (see: ‘Confessions of an Economic Hit Man’) for our “interests”, but Iran can’t do the same? Because they’re brown and talk funny? “Can’t trust no-one who wears a tur-bine panty on their head, wipe em out!!, get’er done”.
I personally don’t care much about what the Iranians do on their side of the world, maybe if we leave the people in the Mid-East alone (Google: Operation Ajax), they’ll stop hating us, eh? Now there’s a concept.
GovtFlu:
>Why is it ok for the US, via the CIA, to commit acts of “terrorism” and wreak >havoc in other nations business (see: ‘Confessions of an Economic Hit Man’) >
>for our “interests”,
hey, mister, BECAUSE IT IS OUR INTEREST!!!
Wanna give me all your money? Give it to me now!!! Give to me what you own and then we will see what i will do to you.You dont care about YOUR INTEREST, so you are worthless as a human been. Hm, may be Gas Chamber will suit you?
We will arrange it. TRUST ME
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