http://thethoughtsoffrit.blogspot.com/2008/11/bush-out-bushman-in.html

http://greensrealworld.blogspot.com/2008/11/radical-politicians-will-destroy-obama.html

Islam’s spread hasn’t been peaceful, NEVER. Christianity had some episodes of non-peaceful spreading, that happened constrained in certain years and not as a mandatory mean.

When hordes of ignorant warriors pillage and savage other civilizations, they usually do not bring any worth contribution to civilization. I do not consider new methods of slaughter as contribution to civilization.

The simple fact that you are here, jumping like a clown for the election of zerobama clearly shows that you (and the ones like you) are more into thinking that american evangelicals and republicans are far more dangerous of muslims.

This should be insulting for any western person, the west has been founded on judeo-christian principles and those should be the ones to take into consideration.

Kneejerking to muslims won’t bring any positive outcome.

There are currently several places (usually non-muslim countries) where muslims group and want to seize the land to create little sharia run government.

1)Nigeria
2)Somalia
3)Chechnya
4)parts of India
5)Sudan
6)”palestinian” territories
7) mindanao in the Philippines
8)South thailand (pattani)
9) north cyprus
10) kosovo/bosnia
11) kenya (with the help of obama’s brother)

Everywhere they go, settle and reach a “critical point” (that can be 20% of population or much less) you see the same pattern

a) push for special legislation to restrain free speech (in their language means “criticism of islam)
b) push for special legislation to have bits and pieces of sharia law implemented
c) try to create muslim gettoes to drive local population out of counties/villages/areas through intimidation
d) show contempt for local traditions (religious statues desecrated)
e) fail to address any problem about their own community (honor killing, child marriage, forced marriage, women’s lower status, charity to terrorist organizations, anti-western sermons etc)

Same exact pattern EVERYWHERE, it is just a matter of numbers.

In terms of disliking modern Islam, I think if you read enough about Islam from the founding of the religion to the modern day you can find multiple reasons to find it a most worrying cult.

I never said that European Christendom had committed some appalling acts over the years, you are saying that. For example the Inquisition over a period of 20 years killed a lot less people than one months worth of Islamic terrorism across the globe, the sack of Jerusalem was only a small number of people not the hundreds of thousands claimed by Muslims, any case of so called Christian crime pales into insignificance in comparison to the vast numbers of dead, or people taken as slaves by Islam over the years. 80,000,000 in India alone.

I have read the debate over the destruction of the library at Alexandria, I am aware that the library had suffered fire damage before in riots between Greeks and Jews, however it was still in existance up and until the Muslim conquest, the riot that caused the most damage saw many people working to save as much as they could, the actual library as a great building did not exist, but many of the books and papers were stored in other less grand buildings.

Without any doubt Muslims did persecute scientists and destroy centres of learning and great cultural achievements or monuments…

Really, well there are a lot more shootings and violent crime then there was in the 70′s and 80′s.

More than a few, and the funding issue is a major issue it shows total contempt for the rules of the democratic process, how can you trust a person who deliberately carries out such acts.

Yes I do feel that way, about 70% of Europeans deserve to come under the yoke of Islam and will do so. Yes I am bitter, bitter at the betrayal of me and my people by our so called leaders who allowed uncontrolled immigration of people with a culture that wants to supplant our culture just so that they can keep in power with people who will vote for more hand outs, the cynicism of the European left is alive and very well in what Obama represents.

Of course I am also aware of the contribution of Irish monks to the preservation of classical knowledge, if you read carefully you will see that I said ‘helped’, I did not claim that it was the scholars of Baghdad alone that did this.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inventions_in_the_Islamic_world

Regarding the Library of Alexandria, you may be interested to read this.

http://www.bede.org.uk/Library2.htm

“One of the most famous myths about the Great Library is that of it being burnt down on the instructions of the Caliph Omar after Alexandria had been captured by the Arabs. The story was best known in Europe due to the translation of George Bar Hebraeus’s Chronology[104] but was successfully debunked by Edward Gibbon[105]. It is rare to find it being defended today although Parsons is convinced and Canfora willing to seriously consider it[106].

For the purposes of this essay, it has been satisfactorily shown that the Royal Library certainly did not exist by the time that the Arabs arrived and this, coupled with the silence on the subject of the near contemporary Christian chronicler John of Nikiou, should lead to a rejection of the Arab connection. It is perhaps possible that the story resulted from the loss of one of Alexandria’s other libraries during the Arab invasion as by no means all of them can be accounted for”

or alternatively:

“Several historians told varying accounts of a Muslim army led by Amr ibn al ‘Aas sacking the city in 642 after the Byzantine army was defeated at the Battle of Heliopolis, and that the commander asked the caliph Umar what to do with the library. He gave the famous answer: “They will either contradict the Koran, in which case they are heresy, or they will agree with it, so they are superfluous.” The Arabs subsequently burned the books to heat bathwater for the soldiers.[19][20] It was also said that the Library’s collection was still substantial enough at this late date to provide six months’ worth of fuel for the baths.[21] However, this account has been dismissed by some as a legend.[22] While the first Western account of the supposed event was in Edward Pococke’s 1663 translation of History of the Dynasties, it was dismissed as a hoax or propaganda as early as 1713 by Fr. Eusèbe Renaudot. Over the centuries, numerous succeeding scholars have agreed with Fr. Renaudot’s conclusion, including Alfred J. Butler, Victor Chauvin, Paul Casanova and Eugenio Griffini.[23] More recently, in 1990, noted Middle East scholar Bernard Lewis argued that the original account is not true, but that it survived over time because it was a useful myth for the great Twelfth century Muslim leader Saladin, who found it necessary to break up the Fatimid caliphate’s collection of heretical Isma’ili texts in Cairo following his restoration of Sunnism to Egypt. Lewis proposes that the story of the caliph Umar’s support of a library’s destruction may have made Saladin’s actions seem more acceptable to his people.[24]”

No doubt some Arabs and Muslims did persecute scientists and destroy centres of learning and great cultural achievements or monuments, they would not be alone in this. As you rightly say, European christendom has also committed some appalling acts over the years.

As for shootings in the UK, yes we have some, but the numbers are small. The total handgun ban was a bit heavy-handed in my opinion and you are clearly still bitter about it but there is a chance that it could be rescinded if people vote for a party that wants to do that.

Of course democracy requires rules but are you really saying that a few dodgy voter registrations were the cause of the election win by Obama? Is it not possible that people just wanted to vote for him??

Maybe you think that Europe deserves to be despised and shown contempt, that is your right, although I find it sad that somebody hates the place he chooses to live in, personally I like Europe and the people here, life is too short to be bitter and miserable about everything.

no you’re wrong, but we already established you are pretty stupid. No racism detected in every easter eu country and no burkas either. The worst are Fwance and UK, I never mentioned anything negative about any other, you idiot.

Nice projection eh.

“It’s not me that said that, it was GWB”

you repeated for 8 years that bush was a retard in charge and now you quote him. That says a lot about your “arguments”.

“Actually be fair, in the early medieval period, the Muslim world was ahead of Christendom in many areas of science, Baghdad for example was a major centre of learning and muslim scholars helped to keep western classical knowledge alive during the European dark ages. Europe then overtook the Islamic world following the renaissance.”

bla bla bla, the dhimmi has spoken

of course truth is another matter. Muslims parasited only and took credit when it wasn’t due. Typical example is that we call modern numbering “arab numbers” while it is a HINDU convention

Here is your “myth” of muslim suprematism debuked

http://www.ninevehsoft.com/fiorina.htm

“and we see that tragically in Finland, US-style school massacres are happening, two in the past year in country of only 5.2m people. The murder rate is one of the highest in Europe. ”

And this affects you how? I am more worried about the random murders in the uk (with knives or bare hands) than in usa with guns legally possessed and where the population agrees to keep firearms for safety.

And scotland has got the second highest murder rate in western Europe and Scots are more than three times more likely to be murdered than people in England and Wales, according to a study by the World Health Organisation.

So much for putting your sorry bunch on a “moral higher ground”.

“Self-loathing again Susan, it’s not an attractive character trait. These things are all hideous crimes it’s true, that’s why most Europeans don’t want to see a repeat.

Your logic is bizarre though, how does a dislike of US gun laws mean that people despise the USA?? It just means we don’t want to be exactly the same, that’s all. Is this a crime in your eyes?”

The self loather is the dhimmi you, I am pretty aware of what we have done, that’s why i didn’t need any evidence that USA is not racist. I do not need any proof, you needed to see zerobama elected because you needed “restoration” of USA in your eyes. I just needed a worthy president. And I didn’t have one.

Projection and self- loathing is merely on YOUR SIDE.

I do not expect USA to be at any standard except their own. UK already has have middle eastern standards. I have no doubts which of the 2 is a “western country”.

“Ha ha ha!!! So no outsider should ever comment on the domestic laws or politics of another country? Susan, can you not see how you might be considered a hypocrite for saying this, ha ha ha!!!”

not at all, only if you lack a brain. I eagerly wait for the ugly brit to fall on their asses. Laws are not a problem, people is.

I do not see americans bothered by the miseries of UK, I see the opposite quite often.

“True, there were about 300 knife murders in the UK last year, too many by far but let’s keep this in perspective, a murder rate of 1.5 per 100,000 is fairly low, even London only has a murder rate of 2.3 per 100,000 which is far lower than any major US city.”

LOL but you said it yourself, you have gun control, so the number should be close to zero. And it’s not.

“I can’t recall ever seeing this phenomenon to be honest so I can’t really comment. I’m sure it does happen but the numbers are so tiny that it is not really a major factor in deciding health policy. As far as I know, most people who go to the US for treatment go for cheap cosmetic surgery.”

maybe in your stupid country. I do not think somebody starts a subscription to have a breast enlargement and people actually send money. That happens only in your celebrity obsessed british subculture.

For the record, I don’t see anybody coming to UK to use your socialized healthcare too.

“Maybe, but then maybe big pharma just wants us to believe that the best way to good health is by spending a fortune on drugs and procedures when in fact healthy lifestyles are far more important. ”

we are all very aware of the “healthy” lifestyle the british live. Drunken to death.

That’s an admirable lifestyle.

“Everything you say about me being patronising can easily be thrown straight back at you Susan so it’s probably not a good line of argument for you to pursue.”

between the two, who is in the wrong place? This is a conservative blog with conservative subject that was rightly anti-obama.

In a perfect world, I would have talked about other stuff with intelligent people that could answer me about things that I want to know about USA, instead I am here, replying to british trolls that are paid to stir up controversy in other forums.

There is no valid reason for you to stay here other than offend others for their choice of president or political stance.

The mistake is yours, I certaintly didn’t come here to educate stupid british about their own miseries. I didn’t even take into consideration to find stupid europeans.

“Do you not think it is patronising to tell the American people that the democratic decision they have made is UNACCEPTABLE Susan?”

the election has been pushed by black racists and media power.

Would you feel the same if the white candidate won and it was pushed heavily by religious right and 80% of media in the tank?

No, and we have seen some of that derangement all the time bush won.

Hypocrite

Actually that would not be fair, the Muslim wold conquered civilisations that were far superior to them in terms of science and technology, the renaissance began after the fall of Constantinople in 1453 when there was an influx of people from the Byzantium Empire into Italy. The great library at Alexandria was destroyed by a Muslim who said that all that was needed was the Quran. The people in Baghdad you talk about were persecuted and then all such learning was banned. There was still many areas that still kept the learning of the Ancient world, the most notable being the Irish monks who were the missionaries that converted many in France and Germany. The only thing we can thank Islam for is that they forced people to bring their knowledge with them to Europe fleeing Islamic persecution. They even try to take credit for algebra which was a Hindu if memory serves me right, what you said is rubbish…

I just read on the BBC that a 15 year old boy was shot dead, so who has guns in the UK, criminals and terrorists…, I used to go shooting as a hobby in the UK, I as never given any vote on the matter, just lost any right to carry out a sport that I enjoyed because of the facist reaction to one nutter, which was an excuse.

And if you think that voter fraud, and also ignoring the rules in terms of funding is democratic then you still have not understand that democracy also requires that people play by certain rules.

Susan is right to show contempt for most of Europe, yes and we are despised by many in the world for the two world wars, I have debated Muslims a number of times and found that they use that as something to attack the West with, however they lose everytime when we get into details, I detest the European holier than thou from a bunch of unelected corrupt scum who have total disrespect for the people they are supposedly serving.

It’s not just Brits you hate though is it, you also hate the French at least and you say that every European city you have ever visited is a dump.

It won’t upset me in the slightest if you never visit the UK to be honest, and coming from you, I take such an intense dislike as a compliment. Thanks

“So, I am proud that my country is a faithful ally of USA and never forgets to praise the USA troops that freed us from a dictatorship and the Marshall Plan who helped us rebuild our country.”

Good for you. I’m just trying to work out where you’re from, you’ve said before that you border France, and with the above information I can probably narrow it down to either Germany or Italy. I’d guess at Italy, (or maybe Padania?).

“It’s not jealousy of freedom, guns or health care, it’s jealousy of SUCCESS.

It’s obvious to anybody except the idiots like yourself, that talibans or muslims in general are not jealous of our porn magazines or of our chance to express our opinions, they are simply jealous of the WEALTH usa can create.”

It’s not me that said that, it was GWB

“The DHIMMI contract with inferior infidels provided them the necessary money and goods to rule without having any particular knowledge or ability.”

Actually be fair, in the early medieval period, the Muslim world was ahead of Christendom in many areas of science, Baghdad for example was a major centre of learning and muslim scholars helped to keep western classical knowledge alive during the European dark ages. Europe then overtook the Islamic world following the renaissance.

“According to your very stupid statement Europe dislikes usa property of guns. Well, Finland has the third highest amount of gun ownership in the world, after the US and Yemen – according to the 2007 national firearms register, so stop talking as you represent “something” in europe, because you lack some basic information.”

and we see that tragically in Finland, US-style school massacres are happening, two in the past year in country of only 5.2m people. The murder rate is one of the highest in Europe.

I clearly do represent ‘something’ in Europe, just as you represent ‘something’, if I ‘lack some basic information’ Susan, can I assume that you are claiming perfect knowledge?

“Secondly, “we” allegedly dislike gun possession because “our” moral superiority cannot accept the widespread violence that happens in USA (I underline that eventual violence happens in USA, another soil). So according to this faulty logic, europe should be despised worldwide because “we” gave to the world in less than 100 years 2 world wars, we gave Hitler and Milosevich in less than 50 years, we contributed to slavery, we massacred Incas and Maya populations and the list is a mile long.”

Self-loathing again Susan, it’s not an attractive character trait. These things are all hideous crimes it’s true, that’s why most Europeans don’t want to see a repeat.

Your logic is bizarre though, how does a dislike of US gun laws mean that people despise the USA?? It just means we don’t want to be exactly the same, that’s all. Is this a crime in your eyes?

“If gun ownership is a problem, it is to be decided by americans. Americans think that having a gun is right (65% according to recent statistics). Doesn’t seem patronising looking at what other countries choose to do with their own internal laws? Do you still think USA is your colony?”

Ha ha ha!!! So no outsider should ever comment on the domestic laws or politics of another country? Susan, can you not see how you might be considered a hypocrite for saying this, ha ha ha!!!

“Maybe the UK should look at his own violence record (murders made with knives) before talking.”

True, there were about 300 knife murders in the UK last year, too many by far but let’s keep this in perspective, a murder rate of 1.5 per 100,000 is fairly low, even London only has a murder rate of 2.3 per 100,000 which is far lower than any major US city.

“About medical care. Don’t know about you but when I turn on the TV and see that person X is making a plea to viewers to collect money to go abroad to have a serious life-saving operation that can save his life, the destination is NEVER in europe. Destination is ALWAYS USA.”

I can’t recall ever seeing this phenomenon to be honest so I can’t really comment. I’m sure it does happen but the numbers are so tiny that it is not really a major factor in deciding health policy. As far as I know, most people who go to the US for treatment go for cheap cosmetic surgery.

“Maybe the american system can guarantee a certain amount of RESEARCH that the socialized medicine cannot?

But again, it’s THEIR problem. It is very patronising of you to lecture an independent country about what to do and how to do it.”

Maybe, but then maybe big pharma just wants us to believe that the best way to good health is by spending a fortune on drugs and procedures when in fact healthy lifestyles are far more important. I’m actually quite happy that Europeans live longer while spending less on healthcare. In any case we have plenty of medical research, Glaxosmithkline, Astrazeneca etc etc

Everything you say about me being patronising can easily be thrown straight back at you Susan so it’s probably not a good line of argument for you to pursue.

“You are. You never got over the fact that the british empire collapsed.

You are a drug addict that doesn’t admit to have a problem.”

Thank you for telling me how I think Susan, you really are a special person to have this power.

“And yes, Obummer, beside saying ANYTHING to get elected stated in many sermons that USA is at fault in pretty much everything.

His wife went on the same route.

He belongs to the thinking that if usa “buys” other people’s appreciation then everything will be all right. So let’s sit down without preconditions with dictators worldwide, let’s take responsibility for any military action on behalf of Europe because they don’t want to have anything to do with it (see Serbia bombings) and the cowards will like us.

This is an unacceptable behaviour. Any “normal” country would not accept this behaviour from the president or prime minister.”

Do you not think it is patronising to tell the American people that the democratic decision they have made is UNACCEPTABLE Susan?