Failed State Watch: How Long Before U.S. Military Confrontation with Mexico Cartels?
The violence rolling across Mexico continues to destroy everything and everyone in its path, threatening the further destabilization of an already besieged society teetering on the brink of anarchy. That wave is crashing on our border as Mexican drug cartel-related incidents increase in the United States.
This month’s murder of a U.S. ICE agent and wounding of another — when their armored Suburban was attacked by assailants on a Mexican highway — is just another example of the drug-related crime that has become commonplace in Mexico. The 83 shell casings found at the scene indicate this was a premeditated hit on U.S. agents trying to help the Mexican government in their losing battle against the cartels.
A quick recap of only a few of the other violent crimes that took place in Mexico just the past weeks:
- In Guadalupe, five youths believed to be drug dealers were murdered execution style. Their bullet-riddled bodies were then picked up from the scene of the crime, placed in a truck, and delivered to the victim’s homes in a final act of gruesome contempt.
- In the city of Juarez, 16 people were murdered in one single day. Five of them were young men traveling in a car who died in a hail of bullets after gunmen forced their vehicle to stop and opened fire. Minutes earlier, a young girl who had accompanied the murdered men had just entered her home after being dropped off, fortunate timing being the only thing that saved her life.
- In Acapulco, gunmen in at least ten trucks went on a terror spree through the city. Their indiscriminate gunfire knocked out power to some areas of the city, while they damaged twenty vehicles by setting them on fire or carjacking them to use as roadblocks. One witness described the melee as a war, with bullets flying everywhere. The early morning attack resulted in nine innocent people murdered, including taxi drivers, and many more wounded. Later in the day, five more victims were added to the death toll when their dismembered bodies were discovered by the police.
- In Veracruz, the dismembered bodies of six unidentified murder victims were thrown outside a surveillance post run by the Mexican Department of Public Safety. The six severed heads and associated body parts were spread about to form a message from the Gulf Cartel.
The next Mexican-American War is looming, only this time the enemy has ten million soldiers already in the country and ready to fight to reclaim their mythical Aztlan. And they’ll have plenty of help from MS-13 and other violent drug gangs.
No way we can win a war against the cartels. Not with Obama in charge. We’ll be stuck with impossible ROE while they’ll kill everything in sight, and La Raza and the left-wing media will rejoice.
The price we pay for ignoring our southern border. God help us everyone.
Great. An armed conflict on the Mexican border. Just imagine the uses Obama could put that to. “Constitution? We don’t need no stinkin’ Constitution, we have a war to fight.”
Don’t count on any action at the federal level. I can just see those paunchy TSA stiffs patiing down the saguaro. It better be in their MOU.
This one’s just gonna have to fester.
Come on now. . . .stop the fearmongering!! Big Sis has said everything is fine down there, and I for one, believe her. . . . . NOT!!!!! I pray for the safety of the LE officers and civilians caught in a war not of our making.How long will we tolerate the total incompetence that rises to the highest levels in our government? If open carry is not the law in Texas, the Gov. should declare it so by emergency edict. . . give the people some ability to protect themselves. . . .
If a ‘confrontation’ means that we start shooting back, I’ll bet sometime after 2012 – I’m not betting much, though.
FTA: “How long before U.S. Military confrontation with Mexico Cartels?”
How long before the cartels relocate the border? If we haven’t done it yet, we aren’t going to do it.
There is a civil war going on in Mexico. The Mexican government doesn’t want to admit it and the U.S. government doesn’t want to admit it. That kind of denial is third world denial. That is major disaster denial. That is loss of sovereignty denial. We will be notified when the new “change” of government has taken place.
Conservative Americans understand the real danger our citizens are in from illegal immigrants and Islamic terrorists. It is the leftist elites who either don’t know, don’t want to know or, amazingly, don’t care.
We know that we face an equal economic danger in this country from the wrongheaded policies of the liberals that have led us down this road with some help from the free spending RINOS. In the end, it will be American individuals who can take care of themselves and patriotic representatives in our Congress and Senate who will right this ship. The only question now is “How much damage will we sustain” as we traverse this difficult time that is now upon us.
Conservative Governors and a ‘Republican congress” that needs a Chris Christie personality implant are firing the first budget shots and the libs are screaming to high heaven! Wait till the really bad times are upon us when the totally unconscious “sheeples” of the left wake up and realize the party is truly over. Then, we will see the true damage the progressives have wrought on this great country. God bless America! We’ll be alright but it is going to be close.
Huzzah, Patriots, Huzzah!
Please, not Christie. He never saw a gun control law he didn’t love.
Remember, he has to pander to the NJ Liberals. Under different circumstances, we don’t actually know what his stance on this would be.
And if Rome had lost to Carthage we’d have world peace now. See it is easy to operate in the realm of fantasy. The reality is that Gov. Christie has supported Gun Control Laws. What he might do in other circumstances is not relevant to the current facts.
Christie has to have those gun control laws on the books in NJ. Without them there are no teeth in the sentences he can impose on gang members.
I have 2 kids who went to school in NJ. The gangs are everywhere. Nowhere in NJ is without a gang presence.
“If we do not secure the border, the violence that has become commonplace in Mexico will become commonplace in our bordering states.”
That is not necessarily true. With Obama in the White House, nothing will be done about border security. It will be up to the individual governors of the border states to deal with this problem. They have a few good options to deal with this. They can increase the size of their state police to patrol the border and help out local law enforcement in the area. If things really get out of control, they can call in their own National Guard troops to patrol the border. Obama cannot stop that if the governors declare a state of emergency in the border town areas. And think of the public relations disaster if Obama tried to stop that! If asking for the National Guard to come in and help doesn’t send a message to Washington, nothing will. The governors might have a problem paying for this added security, but the citizens of the state could be convinced to pay for it if they felt it gave them more protection from these killers. As is seen more and more across this country right now, the real leaders in the United States are turning out to be state governors, and NOT the man/boy in the White House.
Perhaps a group of border states can come together and pool their resources and form some sort of…common defence fund.
Of course then they’ll need a governance body to oversee the running of the operation, we’ll call it a “common wealth” or a “states united” or something catchy like that. Perhaps they can even agree on some other strictly limited roles that this new “central” government can fulfill, explicitly outlined in a contract between the states and this new entity…
On the other hand I’m sure it would be too hard politically.
If only there was *already* some entity like that in existence, some type of “united states government” that existed soley to protect it’s member states.
’tis a real shame, as I think there was actually something like that once.
“…they can come into our county and commit these crimes and acts of violence. This is not going to happen here”
It already has happened here. Furthermore, Rahm just took over the linchpin city of Chicago. Thugocracy is here to stay from D.C. to Hawaii, Chicago to Miami, so worse is yet to come — and be tolerated. Run.
The cartel leaders along the border actually like the situation in Juarez and El Paso right now, since the latter serves as a “safe house” for the gang leaders themselves (five murders in all of El Paso in 2010 vs. over 2,500 just across the river). The breaking point will be when they decide that the extra money to be made on the U.S. side by bringing the violence and control across the border is worth the gamble of any possible U.S. military pushback. And the more weakness Obama shows, the closer the day comes to where one of the border gangs decides not just the empty Arizona desert, but a border city like Brownsville, Laredo, El Paso or Nogales, is ripe for take-over.
“Failed State Watch” ??
Which failed state – the one dominated by corruption, drugs and violence or the one that not only puts up with these things illegally crossing into its territory and whose Federal Government sues a state which has the temerity to try to enforce the law. How much difference is there between the corrupt and ineffective Mexican government and the corrupt and effective Obama government, which is intentionally using the border to bring harm to American civil society?
With far too many traitors in the US government active in branding America and Americans, and our Liberty as the cause behind Mexico’s terrible problems, who needs Mexican drug cartels and illegal immigrants as enemies?
Something you will not see in the MSM, or on PJM for that matter.
A journalist’s guide to ‘Project Gunwalker’:
http://www.examiner.com/gun-rights-in-national/a-journalist-s-guide-to-project-gunwalker
Read it and see how deep the rabbit holes goes.
Considering the duplicity of the ATF in allowing assault rifles into Mexico, in an attempt to pin border gun dealers with being the major weapons suppliers to the cartels, ( and a possible pretext for reinstating the assault rifle ban.)
Should we not take another look at the Oklahoma City bombing? What about the third man seen by witnesses, with McVeigh, that the FBI said doesn’t exist. Another ATF operation, meant to discredit the militia movement, gone awry?
The NRA was correct when they called the ATF, jackbooted thugs. This is a renegade, lawless agency that needs to be dissolved.
All you need to remember is that Secretary of Homeland Defense, Napolitano, has said the border is safer now then it has ever been. Do you think that she is lying or just stretching the truth?
Is there a difference? Lying or stretching the truth! Not hardly and she is part of the problem, sad to say!
Well, she isn’t vacationing in Mexico, is she? Or is she?
L.E.LIESNER: ITS NOT ‘SAFE” IT’S SECURED? DIDN’T YOU SEE THE SIGNS
WARNING ”AMERICAN CITIZEN” NOT TO GO ON OUR OWN ‘LAND’
The situation in El Paso is interesting. The cartels keep things quiet while murdering everybody across the border. We do have a major US Army base withing 2 minutes of the border crossing. The 1ST Armored Division sits on FT Bliss. The main gate of Bliss is maybe 3 miles from the border. 1AD has plenty of tanks and more importantly Stykers, that could patrol Juarez if need be. The units are all vets of Iraq and used to the kind of both patroling and if need be fighting that could be needed. We joked that we could shell Juarez from our motor pools…we could. Bliss would become the epicenter of US combat operations into Mexico.
Real quick way to solve the problem. Legalize marijuana and cocaine and tax the stuff. Use some of the money currently going to waste in the losing war on drugs instead on treatment facilities.
Of course, the just-say-no crowd here in the US would have real difficulty giving up some part of their continual attempts to control citizens’ personal lives.
Several of you complain about lack of leadership on the border issue from Obama & the Administration. But don’t overlook the underwhelming amount of leadership coming from the Republicans in Congress on the same issue.
I entirely agree. Abolish all the laws making it illegal to buy and consume marijuana, cocaine, heroin, etc. Control (?) them the way we control the use of tobacco and alcohol. These are not good for your health, but so what? Neither are candy, ice cream, apple pie, etc. The drug cartels in Mexico are also not good for health, and they can easily be abolished by making it legal to buy the recreational drugs. Prohibition against alcohol did not work, nor do the anti-drug laws. The Mexican drug cartels flourish because there is a demand for the drugs in the U.S.
The drug cartels in Mexico are also not good for health, and they can easily be abolished by making it legal to buy the recreational drugs. Prohibition against alcohol did not work, nor do the anti-drug laws. The Mexican drug cartels flourish because there is a demand for the drugs in the U.S.
You’re totally kidding, right? Drug cartels will “be abolished” if these drugs are legalized? And the mob was “abolished” after Prohibition was lifted?
I also noticed I didn’t get a response to my previous question.
There are two major ways in which drug laws cause drug violence. The laws drive up the price, which gives the cartels both the incentive and the resources to fight. And the laws drug dealers from turning to law enforcement for protection. Drug dealers can’t dial 911 when someone tries to rip them off. But they can buy lots of weapons, and hire people to use them.
The mob isnt making much money running alcohol anymore is it though.
Marijuana will be a pretty good start, its well on the way to being legalized anyway .
Will legalizing drugs end the illegal drug traffic?
It’s not a trick question. Think about it.
I greatly appreciate you hitting the nail on the head with that rhetorical question. Naivety is truly on the legalize side of the argument. Tax revenues, bad guys finding something else to do blah blah blah…legalization means more bad consequences.
It’s easy to garner a big chunk of support for your position, Steve. Just repeat after me:
“Of course, I commit my life, my fortune, and my honor in the fight to bring down and destroy any liberals who would try to use drug legalization as an excuse to create a massive and massively funded bureaucracy to promote ‘therapeutic alternatives’ to dependency and addiction.”
:: waiting ::
the peps here must not know any good, nice, people with children addicted to crack. Oh the humanity.
If there is shooting in the next thirty to sixty days, it will be because Sheriff Babeu initiates it in response to Mexican incursion. There will be no federal (i.e., U.S.) response until Obama is removed from office and replaced by a conservative American with spine. It won’t have to be a Reagen clone, but it will have to be a man with his kind of courage.
A man of courage could declare an emergency and send troops to the border.
>> All you need to remember is that Secretary of Homeland Defense, Napolitano, has said the border is safer now then it has ever been. Do you think that she is lying or just stretching the truth?
What she means by “safer” is one thing, but you have to distinguish between border security and narco-gang violence. The former is better, but the latter is going to require a fairly high degree of military cooperation. The US agent killed recently I think means that US agents aren’t going to help out unless they can be armed. They should never have required to leave their weapons behind. I would suggest they be well-armed and have their own armed escorts if need be. That would be the beginning of a higher-level military cooperation, but it has to happen.
People have to realize that border security requires a high-level of security already, unless one militarizes the border shuts it down to traffic. And though many Americans not in positions to know the effects claim they want to do this, it is an absurdity for anyone who lives anywhere near the border or knows anything about Mexico, or the history of borders and illicit trade. A lot of evil guys in these drug gangs are going to have to be killed before our own country will be safe, and it is going to take some military cooperation. Those who prefer to see Mexico as an enemy don’t want to hear this, but they aren’t an enemy. The narco-terrorists from all over Latin America are the enemy.
The nightmare scenario sketched by “Proud Hetero” are overheated. Mexico’s a mess, and some of the violence will undoubtedly cross the border, especially because that’s where the cartels’ customers live.
But this “Aztlan Movement” is just plain nonsense. Most of the Mexicans I know never heard of it, and couldn’t care less.
That’s not what they’re into. They want to make money, but cars and houses, have a party now and then. If you scratched their truck you’d get serious trouble, but the idea they’d be willing to give their lives for “Aztlan” is just laughable.
The only believers I ever saw for that wacky concept were a few flabby college kids.
How can The O take action or even plan for contingency ops if he is all wrapped up in securing love and democracy, plus good attendance of public offic1als, in Wisconsin ? First things first.
The real enemy as all good people know, is that racist sheriff. Boo !
That Sheriff (Babeu) is alright and I’m sure most Arizona legal hispanics place him on a far higher pedestal than that a*&hole from Maricopa County. If I were Obama, I would have made the whole Arizona and New Mexico – Mexico border an extension of Fort Bliss, let them enforce 1070, all in exchange for Joe Arpaios surrender to federal Civil Rights charges.
I’m 72 but have lots of guns and ammo and been in a shooting war before. when the times comes Sheriff Babeu give me a call and I’ll be down directly!
Depends on how it’s done. If the legalization results in lower prices, yes. If the taxation/regulation gets the price too high, no. I could, if I wished, still go buy moonshine (might take some research, I’ve lived away from states that still produce it for decades). But moonshine’s not a BIG problem anymore. If you want quality booze, you buy legal.
I believe you may have bee trying to answer my “trick” question (Will legalizing drugs end the illegal drug traffic?), and you partially get it.
But here’s the definitive answer based on any realistic scenario:
Government will regulate the s***t out of so-called recreational drugs. Bet on it. They will do their level best to make sure that only “addicts” have access to actual narcotics, and will massively tax marijuana. They will severely restrict the number of locales where drugs are dispensed, thus creating a major inconvenience for many users. No other legalization alternatives will be considered. Bet on that too.
Drug cartels, like the mob after Prohibition was lifted, will continue to flourish, both from the spillover from over-regulated drugs, and from other “business” ventures.
My reply seems to have floated off into the ozone. Maybe it will appear later.
Government will never allow any legalization that doesn not involve masive regulation and taxation of the products. Bet on it. No other legalization alternatives will be considered for drugs. Period.
How Long Before U.S. Military Confrontation with Mexico Cartels?
Would you expect anything before January 21, 2012?
>> Would you expect anything before January 21, 2012?
No, I think all hard decisions have been put off until after that. I’m not even sure Obama wants to be re-elected.
January 21st 2013, 2013!
I firmly believe we have another General Pershing in our midst. It is a mere matter of time before he reveals himself.
As a semi-retired gringo who lives 3 months (dec-feb) oot f the year in my beloved Mexico, I say legalize weed.
The cartels make the majority of their money from marijuana. The free & legal trade of pot will destroy the business of these thugs. It will also be a boon for the tourist business in Mexico.
All the baby boomers could retire to Mexico. May they enjoy the wonderful climate, the delicious food, and get high!!
I believe that if there is a confrontation with the cartels, our rulers in Washington will impose strict Rules of Engagement on our military so that they send a message but do not inflict any casualties or even have a fair chance to defend themselves. I lost good friends in Southeast Asia to the ROEs.
I’ve been anticipating this war. I’m stocked up and ready, and I’m retired so I don’t plan on following the ROEs.
does ”rubber bullets” ring a bell?
ROEs? Armed Citizens have no ROE – except kill the bastards.
And we will. Now you figure out who are the bastards – we already know.
In addition to the huge increase in nonproductive useless health-challenged people we would have in a legal drug environment, just about the worst possible outcome wuld be for government to be in charge of drugs through taxation and regulation. It would be hard to get, expensive, poor quality, and with heartless bureaucrats deciding whether or not addicts get the fix they need. A recipe for human disaster, with your only recourse being the black market, now even more costly because government will enforce MUCH harder over lost tax revenues than over plain ban laws.
With government in charge of drugs, we would have the tyrannical worst of all possible worlds. Government is NOT benevolent! Not ehen it decides who lives or dies, not when it decides who gets drugs and who doesn’t. Government with that much power to control you WILL USE IT. Imagine the slave labor force of a million needy addicts! Tis has already been done, people. Read your history.