Europeans Meet (Secretly) to Choose First-Ever EU President
Leaders of the 27 member states of the European Union are meeting in Brussels on November 19 to choose the first-ever European president and European foreign minister. European political elites say these two new jobs are needed so that the notoriously divided EU can begin to speak with one voice on the global stage. Once that happens, they contend, the EU will assume its rightful role as a world superpower and act as a counterbalance to the United States.
Geo-strategists are debating whether Europe’s superpower moment is or is not just around the corner. But if the nomination process for the individual who will represent 500 million Europeans has demonstrated anything at all, it is that Europe is inexorably moving in a direction that has far more in common with Soviet totalitarianism than with Western liberal democracy.
In what could be described as a slow-moving coup d’état, Europe over the past several decades has experienced a gradual but significant shift in political power away from individual nation states towards an unelected and unaccountable bureaucracy based in Brussels.
Today, these so-called Eurocrats oversee more than 100,000 pages of EU legislation, much of which has primacy over national legislation and parliaments. Indeed, unelected bureaucrats in Brussels now exercise so much power that they dictate what elected leaders can or cannot do in more than 30 policy areas.
In 2004, European federalists moved to consolidate their power by means of the “European constitution,” which, among many other things, called for abolishing the national veto in more than 50 additional policy areas. But the ratification process ran into a roadblock in May and June 2005, when French and Dutch voters rejected the document.
Predictably, the authors of the European constitution were unwilling to let democracy get in the way of their federal ambitions. Instead, they essentially shuffled some of the words, sentences, and paragraphs of the document and reissued it in December 2007 as the Lisbon Treaty, in order “to avoid having referendums.”
A Bildergberg brother and a commie ?
The nihilists are busy these days, aren’t they ?
With Europe in the hands of those and America in the hands of the muslimarxists, the West should be pretty much done.
But, you know, there is always a “but…”.
And there is always a God.
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This isn’t so much Soviet as it is feudal. The average guy in Manchester, Dortmund or Strasburg is just as disenfranchised as the serfs were 500 years ago.
And the President of the EU? He may as well be called “Holy Roman Emperor” except I’m sure he’ll be another European atheist. But it was this part that convinced me:
“But European big shots like French President Nicolas Sarkozy and German Chancellor Angela Merkel are having second thoughts about Blair. Evidently, they are afraid that Blair might overshadow them on the global stage.But European big shots like French President Nicolas Sarkozy and German Chancellor Angela Merkel are having second thoughts about Blair. Evidently, they are afraid that Blair might overshadow them on the global stage.”
Let’s re-write it that the Elector of France and the Elector of Germany refuse to back the former Elector of Britain to the seat. You will have the same squabbles about the selection of President as you did Holy Roman Emperor, there will be no unified backing of him or his policies. Nor will he command as much as be managed by his own runaway bureaucracy (much like the bishops of the Catholic church in feudal times). He will be a relatively powerless figurehead.
I’m curious as to which UN Security Council seat will they give up? Since both England and France are now part of the EU instead of separate nations, there is no justification for having 2 UNSC seats.
Nor should the other former nations have seats in the general assembly. If Italy and Spain have general assembly seats, why not Alabama, Florida, New York, and the other 47 States have seats in the general assembly?
That issue needs to be resolved first since it will be the general assembly that decides who gets the Security Council seat that the EU vacates. India or Japan seems like the logical choice, but logic and politics seldom share a ride. An African nation, but the only one with even the slightest hint of gravitis would be Egypt. The sub-saharan nations would scream like pigs being slaughtered.
Super power status requires military strength. The EU has none. They have depended on the USA for the last several decades. It’s become a habit and it will take decades for them to catch up.
Or does the EU think that the USA will continue to pay for their defense while they wage economic war against the USA? If so they need to look at the latest unemployment numbers.
The Idea of a unified Europe has been around since 800 AD. That is when it was actually done. Since then it has been tried many times. Most noteworthy were Napoleon and Hitler. We know how that worked out. There is no evidence that leads one to believe this latest effort will end any different.
Let us start now on the civic effort to prevent American troops from dying in the upcoming European war.
“center-right, which controls the European Parliament, has staked its claim to the presidency; the center-left will get the foreign policy job.”
I’m confused… their is not such thing as centrists in europe… you either have left or flaming communist left…
Did centrists suddenly seize power in europe and no one knew….
Sounds like European democratic institutions have just given their last death rattle. Europe welcome back to Feudalism, with a bureaucratic twist however. I agree with #3 that we need to let them take care of themselves militarily, and stay the heck out of another European civil war. Who really cares if one group of socialist elite wins over the other? I hope we learned from WWII, because basically that’s what happened. The Allied European socialists won out over the German & Italian socialists/Facists with a little help from the good ol’ U.S. of A. and the Allied Socialists have been damn rude and ungrateful ever since. Especially in light of the US protecting the socialists from the Communists at great cost to the American taxpayer.
Where the EU meets in Brussels is a rebuilt Tower of Babel. In the picture, humans are made to look like bricks.
In the Bible, G-d told man to go forth and make nations across the globe, and destroyed the Tower of Babel. The EU said there is no G-d, and we will have a Global Tower of Babel.
The EU image is Europa riding the white bull. The white bull is Lucifer,(turned himself into a bull), and took Europa out to sea on an island to get raped. Beast love so to speak. Secular Humanism type stuff.
Now, Europe calls for their Superman to lead the EU. Something Hitler worked on too. Infact, it appears what Europe is doing through peace, Hitler tried to do with war.
The EU wants the US to do the same thing. It is called a North American Union. One of ten future economic regions in the world. Somehow, the Americans have to get rid of those nasty Bill of Rights first.
We should be bankrupt, and a good third world country by spring. We’ll go along with anything after that just to eat.
The EU has no power, the new positions will be powerless. The position is merely for civility. Europe will move to the right. Ireland is a perfect example of a country who shifted right and prospered.
Leatherneck, flyover America can feed itself. No problem with that. As far as the Cites and the red states, well they can eat one another.
That seems equitable to me.
#3 John Samford: Germany would actually like a permanent seat on the Security Council. The noise about it has subsided recently, but I’m not sure that the wish has.
ROFLMAO!
The pot and the kettle again! Those poor Eurocrats must never have heard of the Law of Unintended Consequences. Cry me a frakkin’ river, ya’ll.
Dynomitejim – Ireland shifted to the right? When? They are still the same welfare state they were the last time I was there. And, in case you missed it, they are the ones who voted Lisbon in with their “referendum”.
Anyone who thinks the French would give up their security council seat is dreaming. I expect we would give ours up – but then you would have an EU and a French seat. Back to the drawing board…………
“Starting” to resemble the old USSR? It was CREATED to do just that! The European Union is a socialist collective and was designed to be just what it is. Sovereign nation states are “encouraged” to subsume their nation status and be dissolved into a ruling entity. The world will be divided up into regions and each region will undergo the same process. In the end all will be united into a WORLD ruling elite. The same thing is happening in America with the North American Union. If International socialism could not be achieved through the barrel of a gun it will be achieved using the language of diplomacy. We are witnessing this unfolding right before our eyes in Europe. Why the European nations who fought to preserve themselves for centuries have agreed to abnegate themselves now is a wonder to behold! What an incredible victory for deceit and tyranny!
With all due respect to the history buffs, the Soviet Union analogy is more apt that the Holy Roman Empire analogy.
The Holy Roman Emperor did not regulate the daily lives of the serfs, nor did he ever propose taxing them directly. All internal affairs like this were quarely in the hands of the local sovereigns. That is clearly not the case in the EU.
The candidate who is a “former” Italian communist will be Moscow’s conduit into the EU; it is not just the undemocratic nature of the EU’s path but the opportunity for Russia to increase its power in Europe via this organization in ways that undermine democratic nation states belonging to the EU. Christopher Story’s warnings about the Maastricht treaty in a pamphlet written in 1992 have come to fruition.
It is interesting to compare the new EU empire with the former Holy Roman Empire which was once described as neither holy, Roman , nor an empire. The HRE broke up into squabbling kingdoms and duchies shortly after it was created. Europeans have become effete and passive shadows of their ancestors who conquered the world; their favorite past time is retiring at age fifty and doing nothing. They pretend that the Muslim fantatics do not control their cities; only look around in London, Paris, or Berlin and you do not see any Europeans; only the followers of allah.
The concept of a real EU full time president has never been tried before. I am not sure why those in europe want one, but there you go. At least alot of them are refusing to pick Bush.s little brother (tony blair) and choosing the safer option,… at least.. for now. Hey, I hope it works. The closer europe stays together, the less chance of another conflict. Good Luck to Europe !
Lawrence Kohn, I was just reading a bit about Chris Story on the Masstricht Treaty. Mor info is here: http://www.worldreports.org/edwardharle/the_european_union_collective
So when will the united states of the Euarabian Neo-Soviet’s once-sovereign and now all squalidly-fascissocialist satellite states totally surrender their sovereignty and their many un seats to the feral gummint of the Strasbourg and Brussels-based bureaucracy?
One United States of America – one UN seat.
One united states of Euarabia – one UN seat.
Seems fair.
Europe is inexorably moving in a direction that has far more in common with Soviet totalitarianism than with Western liberal democracy
hmm, someone just listened to much to the sirens of Santa Klaus the former soviet apparatchik of the cult of personnality
it ain’t so though, you can’t read our rules like you do for the US’, our past ain’t the same, we didn’t (and never) experience the same economical diktats !
Michael in England, of course we don’t want to give it up to the Brits
One United States of America – one UN seat.
One united states of Euarabia – one UN seat.
I had the feeling that is was rather :
One United States of Americabia – one UN seat.
One united states of Eu – one UN seat.
We can all relax! The Franco-German alliance has selected two complete plonkers. Nothing will change; Obama will still have to make 27 phone calls if he has a question to ask. He could save himself the time – the answer is NO.
Michael, “franco-german ça, ça fait chier un Brit, hein ? LMAO
I’m afraid my Italian is not up to this.
I ran “franco-german ça, ça fait chier un Brit, hein ”
Ran thru bable-fish for German, French AND eye-talin.
I got no match.
Not sure if I should try some of the more obscure languages or if Marie has a language of her own.
I suspect the later.
I apologize for not making myself clear.
Back when the UN charter was being negotiated, the Soviets wanted a UNSC seat for the Soviet Union and UNGA seats for all their states ( IIRC about 30)
They dropped that when the US replyed back that they would need a General assembly for all 50 States, then the French and Brits chimed in with a need for UNGA seats for their various Shires, Provinces, administrative districts, etc. After doing a quick count, the Soviets decided that one seat that counted was the way to go. And so the precedent was set. One Nation, one seat.
That is the rule and I’m sure the EU isn’t going to violate it. Not when they have no choice other then war.
All the little 3rd world nations that used to be abused by Europeans will get a certain amount of glee from making sure the EU follows the ‘One Nation, one seat” rule.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations#Membership
“The admission of any such state to membership in the United Nations will be effected by a decision of the General Assembly upon the recommendation of the Security Council.”
Not sure how the issue of 2 Security Council seats will be handled. Being the UN, I would guess poorly.
I suspect a compromise along the lines of admitting the EU WITH a security Council seat under the requirement that it give up one UNSC seat. Considering all the in-fighting over the “open” UNSC permanent seat, the blood will be hip deep at the UN, that monument to peace.
I’m almost willing to bet on Egypt, since it is African ( sort of) AND Muslim. Killing two nutbags with one bone, so to speak.
{snipped} from Wiki-pedia;
“Italy and Netherlands on the contrary, suggest a common EU seat in the Council instead of Germany becoming the third European member next to France and the UK. The former German Foreign Minister Joschka Fischer said that Germany would also accept a common European seat, but as long as there is little sign that France and the UK will give up their own seats, Germany should also have a seat. [11] There have been suggestions that the EU should “share” the existing two permanent seats that it already has, without gaining a third seat. Suggestions have been voiced that the French should pool their vote with Germany in the Franco-German EU integrationist tradition and the UK would represent the EU tradition of less integrationist views.”
This issue was created by European arrogance. They think they can rig the UN just like they rig the world cup. I don’t think they will get away with it.
Notice that none of these issues came up in public during what little debate the Euros held.
I doubt that it was debated because the Euros didn’t think of it. Rather they figured if nobody else brought it up, they could just slide it by.
NOT.
State is VERY aware of it, there is not a consensus on how to take advantage of it. Some diplos want to use it as a goad to get the EU moving in the right direction, which leads to another debate on just what the ‘right’ direction is. Others think that silence will help the relationship between Europe and America grow closer.
Contrary to popular opinion, the relationship between Old Europe and the USA hasn’t been all that close.
Most normal Americans see Europe as ungrateful wretches, not worth the lives and treasure we spent saving their sorry asses. What outsiders see is the US Media and the self proclaimed Eastern Liberal Elites which worship Europe and think that the rest of America does too. It ain’t so.
“She says the job search is being conducted with Soviet-style secrecy and contempt for the public. The EU, she says, should “stop working like the former Soviet Union … in darkness and behind closed doors.”
Some time ago I read some time ago that the EU parliamentary structure is based upon the politburo in the old USSR.