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		<title>By: Marie Claude</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marie Claude</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Sep 2009 12:22:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Il est le signataire, en tant que président du Conseil, des accords de Munich en 1938. Opposé à la négociation avec Hitler, il ne signera ces accords qu&#039;à contrecœur, poussé par la Grande-Bretagne de Neville Chamberlain sans qui une guerre contre l&#039;Allemagne n&#039;était pas possible, le Royaume-Uni contrôlant alors la majeure partie des approvisionnements en pétrole. 

Après Munich, à son retour en France, Daladier est persuadé d&#039;être hué pour avoir cédé à Hitler, les accords de Munich abandonnant aux nazis une partie de la Tchécoslovaquie sans presque rien demander en échange sinon de vagues promesses de paix.
Mais à sa sortie de l&#039;avion le ramenant vers Paris, Daladier est vivement acclamé, à sa grande surprise, pour avoir sauvé la paix.
Il se serait exclamé, entendu du seul Alexis Léger qui le suivait : &quot;Ah les cons ! S&#039;ils savaient !&quot;.

http://histoiregeolyceerombas.over-blog.com/article-35576414.html

Daladier was pressed by Chamberlain to sign the agreement

he declared war to Germany in september 1939 and was put in Jail by Vichy government in 1940 !

ah les cons !</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Il est le signataire, en tant que président du Conseil, des accords de Munich en 1938. Opposé à la négociation avec Hitler, il ne signera ces accords qu&#8217;à contrecœur, poussé par la Grande-Bretagne de Neville Chamberlain sans qui une guerre contre l&#8217;Allemagne n&#8217;était pas possible, le Royaume-Uni contrôlant alors la majeure partie des approvisionnements en pétrole. </p>
<p>Après Munich, à son retour en France, Daladier est persuadé d&#8217;être hué pour avoir cédé à Hitler, les accords de Munich abandonnant aux nazis une partie de la Tchécoslovaquie sans presque rien demander en échange sinon de vagues promesses de paix.<br />
Mais à sa sortie de l&#8217;avion le ramenant vers Paris, Daladier est vivement acclamé, à sa grande surprise, pour avoir sauvé la paix.<br />
Il se serait exclamé, entendu du seul Alexis Léger qui le suivait : &#8220;Ah les cons ! S&#8217;ils savaient !&#8221;.</p>
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<p>Daladier was pressed by Chamberlain to sign the agreement</p>
<p>he declared war to Germany in september 1939 and was put in Jail by Vichy government in 1940 !</p>
<p>ah les cons !</p>
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		<title>By: misanthropicus</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/blog/europeans-ambivalent-about-obama%e2%80%99s-missile-defense-u-turn/#comment-405833</link>
		<dc:creator>misanthropicus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Sep 2009 17:18:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Soeren Kern hits the mark in his enumeration of possible/ probable bad consequences of Obama&#039;s move - I suggest as a companion piece RCP/ RealClearWord: &quot;Obama&#039;s Easter European Problem/ by Svante Cornell: 

hwww.realclearworld.com/articles/2009/09/24/obamas_eastern_european_problem_97192.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Soeren Kern hits the mark in his enumeration of possible/ probable bad consequences of Obama&#8217;s move &#8211; I suggest as a companion piece RCP/ RealClearWord: &#8220;Obama&#8217;s Easter European Problem/ by Svante Cornell: </p>
<p>hwww.realclearworld.com/articles/2009/09/24/obamas_eastern_european_problem_97192.html</p>
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		<title>By: misanthropicus</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/blog/europeans-ambivalent-about-obama%e2%80%99s-missile-defense-u-turn/#comment-405829</link>
		<dc:creator>misanthropicus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Sep 2009 17:13:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>RE: Marie-Claude -
Marie-Claude, maybe you can oblige providing us with a larger quote &amp; context of Daladier&#039;s famous &quot;Ah! Les Cons! [...]&quot;

What makes me say this is the fact that Obama&#039;s &quot;astute&quot; move may have a very expensive price after the applause will end (and the hangover installs).

Best -</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RE: Marie-Claude -<br />
Marie-Claude, maybe you can oblige providing us with a larger quote &amp; context of Daladier&#8217;s famous &#8220;Ah! Les Cons! [...]&#8221;</p>
<p>What makes me say this is the fact that Obama&#8217;s &#8220;astute&#8221; move may have a very expensive price after the applause will end (and the hangover installs).</p>
<p>Best -</p>
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		<title>By: John  "birther" Samford</title>
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		<dc:creator>John  "birther" Samford</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Sep 2009 15:14:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The US needs to wihdraw from NATO.  The sooner the better.  Let then stand or fall on their own.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The US needs to wihdraw from NATO.  The sooner the better.  Let then stand or fall on their own.</p>
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		<title>By: Room 237</title>
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		<dc:creator>Room 237</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Sep 2009 14:48:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mark in Texas and vb:

Yes, the missile system was designed to protect eastern Europe from Iran, in case of Russian attack it would have been overwhelmed.

BUT that was not my premise.  Rather, I believe that Europe can and should pay for and take responsibility for its own defense and security.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mark in Texas and vb:</p>
<p>Yes, the missile system was designed to protect eastern Europe from Iran, in case of Russian attack it would have been overwhelmed.</p>
<p>BUT that was not my premise.  Rather, I believe that Europe can and should pay for and take responsibility for its own defense and security.</p>
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		<title>By: wuzzagrunt</title>
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		<dc:creator>wuzzagrunt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Sep 2009 03:04:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;&quot;President Obama’s foreign policy has a simple but astonishing goal: to rid us of both enemies and allies.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

I believe he&#039;ll find it a great deal easier to shed allies.  BTW, wasn&#039;t Vice President von Münchhausen&#039;s expertise supposed complement Obama&#039;s lack of any identifiable foreign policy credentials?  I hate to say it, but I don&#039;t believe even Tale Spinner Joe would be this stupid.  Maybe.  I dunno.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>&#8220;President Obama’s foreign policy has a simple but astonishing goal: to rid us of both enemies and allies.&#8221;</i></p>
<p>I believe he&#8217;ll find it a great deal easier to shed allies.  BTW, wasn&#8217;t Vice President von Münchhausen&#8217;s expertise supposed complement Obama&#8217;s lack of any identifiable foreign policy credentials?  I hate to say it, but I don&#8217;t believe even Tale Spinner Joe would be this stupid.  Maybe.  I dunno.</p>
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		<title>By: Josey Wales</title>
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		<dc:creator>Josey Wales</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Sep 2009 02:14:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Obama erred seriously in his handling of Poland and the Czech Republic.  He&#039;s out of his league when treating international waters.  That said, nuts like Dark Helmet, spewing idiocy like &quot;impeach the traitor&quot;, give a bad name to people who have genuibe problems with Obama.

Seriously, impeach him on what impeachable grounds outlined in the constitution?  And how is he a traitor?  He may be naive, wrong headed, foolish... but a traitor?

Shessshhhhhhh....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Obama erred seriously in his handling of Poland and the Czech Republic.  He&#8217;s out of his league when treating international waters.  That said, nuts like Dark Helmet, spewing idiocy like &#8220;impeach the traitor&#8221;, give a bad name to people who have genuibe problems with Obama.</p>
<p>Seriously, impeach him on what impeachable grounds outlined in the constitution?  And how is he a traitor?  He may be naive, wrong headed, foolish&#8230; but a traitor?</p>
<p>Shessshhhhhhh&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Marie Claude</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marie Claude</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Sep 2009 01:57:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>(defying the French). 

ummm d&#039;ya know, the French were annointed as the official protectors of the Christians in ottoman empire, also for the pilgrins that wanted to visit the holy place of &quot;Palestine&quot; therefore they had to be diplomat with the Turks so that these people still can travel there, and many time the french kings sent some army expeditions to Palestine.

So this was a tacite entente with the Turks, &quot;donnant-donnant&quot; that the French weren&#039;t fighting with the Poles and the Austrians in 1863, besides Austrians were the enemis of France, and, a bet, France would have been stupid  to help enemis in difficulties, which ment some rest for a while on that side !

now speaking of fighting muslims invadors, seems that we have done our part, with Charles Martel, then with the different crusades that we drove to Palestine

uh entire towns fought against the nazis ? umm some concentration camps survivors though said that some Poles rather were helping Nazis to fight against the Russians !</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(defying the French). </p>
<p>ummm d&#8217;ya know, the French were annointed as the official protectors of the Christians in ottoman empire, also for the pilgrins that wanted to visit the holy place of &#8220;Palestine&#8221; therefore they had to be diplomat with the Turks so that these people still can travel there, and many time the french kings sent some army expeditions to Palestine.</p>
<p>So this was a tacite entente with the Turks, &#8220;donnant-donnant&#8221; that the French weren&#8217;t fighting with the Poles and the Austrians in 1863, besides Austrians were the enemis of France, and, a bet, France would have been stupid  to help enemis in difficulties, which ment some rest for a while on that side !</p>
<p>now speaking of fighting muslims invadors, seems that we have done our part, with Charles Martel, then with the different crusades that we drove to Palestine</p>
<p>uh entire towns fought against the nazis ? umm some concentration camps survivors though said that some Poles rather were helping Nazis to fight against the Russians !</p>
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		<title>By: another Chuck</title>
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		<dc:creator>another Chuck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Sep 2009 01:50:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wallenrod,

Poland has been betrayed, but America has been dishonored.  Time will tell how it comes about that we be able to look at ourselves in the mirror again but it will come.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wallenrod,</p>
<p>Poland has been betrayed, but America has been dishonored.  Time will tell how it comes about that we be able to look at ourselves in the mirror again but it will come.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark in Texas</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark in Texas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Sep 2009 01:18:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Room 237

The missile defense in Poland and the Czech Republic were not to defend the Europeans from the USSR or from Russia.  Their purpose was to defend Europe against Iranian missiles so that Europeans would have the guts to participate in economic sanctions against Iran.  

The argument that Iran has short range missiles but no long range missiles is absurd given the fact that Iran recently put a satellite into orbit.  If they can put something into orbit, they can deliver it to any place on earth.

But, you may argue, an attack against Europe would lead to a massive retaliation against Iran.  Well, so would an attack against Israel.  If the Iranians are willing to accept a nuclear retaliation as the price of attacking Israel, they will not care that a retaliation for attacking Europe will make the radioactive rubble bounce.  They can make up a &quot;shit list&quot; of all the people that they want to attack when they go after Israel.  European countries that refuse to trade with them would be likely to be on that list.

The Iranians are like somebody who tries to rob a bank with dynamite strapped to his chest.  If you can shield all the hostages, nobody is going to give him any money.  If he sets off the dynamite it only hurts himself.  However, as long as he can take other people with him in a suicidal blaze of glory, the guy with the dynamite vest is going to get pretty much what he wants.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Room 237</p>
<p>The missile defense in Poland and the Czech Republic were not to defend the Europeans from the USSR or from Russia.  Their purpose was to defend Europe against Iranian missiles so that Europeans would have the guts to participate in economic sanctions against Iran.  </p>
<p>The argument that Iran has short range missiles but no long range missiles is absurd given the fact that Iran recently put a satellite into orbit.  If they can put something into orbit, they can deliver it to any place on earth.</p>
<p>But, you may argue, an attack against Europe would lead to a massive retaliation against Iran.  Well, so would an attack against Israel.  If the Iranians are willing to accept a nuclear retaliation as the price of attacking Israel, they will not care that a retaliation for attacking Europe will make the radioactive rubble bounce.  They can make up a &#8220;shit list&#8221; of all the people that they want to attack when they go after Israel.  European countries that refuse to trade with them would be likely to be on that list.</p>
<p>The Iranians are like somebody who tries to rob a bank with dynamite strapped to his chest.  If you can shield all the hostages, nobody is going to give him any money.  If he sets off the dynamite it only hurts himself.  However, as long as he can take other people with him in a suicidal blaze of glory, the guy with the dynamite vest is going to get pretty much what he wants.</p>
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