European Dis-Union in Libya
After more than a week of shameless haggling by its squabbling members, the NATO alliance reluctantly agreed to take over the least risky part of the military operations in Libya: the enforcement of a no-fly zone to protect civilians from attacks by a Libyan Air Force that no longer exists.
But in classic transatlantic political fudge, European and American leaders say NATO will not assume command of riskier ground attacks in Libya. For the time being, such heavy hitting will continue to be done by a coalition of countries led by the United States, even though the American president insists that his country is not in charge of the military intervention in Libya.
More perplexing still is that after seven days of dropping bombs and missiles on forces loyal to Libyan strongman Colonel Muammar Gaddafi, the United States and its European allies still cannot agree on the ultimate strategic goal — much less the exit strategy — of the military campaign. While the Americans insist that Gaddafi must go, most Europeans say the dictator should stay.
Germany, Europe’s pacifist great power, will have none of it. After NATO Secretary General Anders Fogh Rasmussen announced that the alliance would monitor ship traffic in the Mediterranean Sea and intercept vessels suspected of carrying illegal arms or mercenaries to Libya, German Defense Minister Thomas de Maizière immediately withdrew four German navy ships with a total of 550 sailors from NATO’s command. He said Germany did not want to be dragged into a military role in the region.
After a senior French diplomat threatened Germany with “incalculable political costs” for refusing to participate in the Libya intervention, German Chancellor Angela Merkel announced that she would send up to 300 more troops to Afghanistan. Never mind that in years past, Merkel has stubbornly rejected American requests to deploy more German troops to the country; and has refused to allow the 4,700 German troops already in Afghanistan from actually doing any fighting.
“We want to relieve the strain on NATO by putting our German troops back into planes over there [in Afghanistan]. This would be a genuine relief for NATO and a political sign of our solidarity with our allies, particularly against the backdrop of recent events in Libya,” de Maizière said, without even a hint of irony.
Enter Joschka Fischer, a leading member of Germany’s left-wing Green Party, who was Germany’s foreign minister from 1998 to 2005. On March 22, Fischer penned a bitter diatribe titled “German Foreign Policy: A Farce.” Published by the center-left newspaper Süddeutsche Zeitung, Fischer roundly condemned Merkel and Foreign Minister Guido Westerwelle for their refusal to make war against Libya.
Fischer accused Westerwelle of “climbing down” when it came to the vote in the Security Council. “For me,” Fischer complained, “what remains is the shame for the failure of our government and, alas, those red and green opposition leaders who initially applauded this scandalous mistake.” Foreign policy, he wrote, means “taking tough strategic decisions, even when they are anything but popular in domestic politics.”
Fischer continued: “The mission in Libya is risky and the new players on the ground are unclear as regards strategy and the future of the country.” But such concerns “are not an alternative to action,” he declared, because “in this region, we are speaking about immediate European and German security interests.” It is “naive to think that the most populous and economically powerful country of the European Union could or should stay out of things there.”
This Joschka Fischer the ardent warrior is the same Joschka Fischer who only a few years ago was one of Europe’s most passionate pacifists. It was Fischer who in 2003 zealously defended the right of Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein to remain in power, and who directly challenged the United States over the justifications for possible military action against Iraq, insisting that U.S. President George W Bush should give peace a chance.
Over in the United Kingdom, Armed Forces Minister Nick Harvey was asked how long Britain would be involved in the military operation in Libya. He replied: “How long is a piece of string? We don’t know how long this is going to go on for.” His comments came after a defiant Gaddafi made a speech on Libyan state television promising “a long, drawn-out war with no limits” and warning: “In the short term, we’ll beat them, in the long term, we’ll beat them.”
In an interview with the BBC, Harvey admitted that the Western intervention could result in a “stalemate” between Gaddafi and the rebels, which could lead to a partition of Libya, with each side holding on to different parts of the country. Harvey also refused to rule out the deployment of British ground troops to the country.
Harvey’s admission came as the British government faced mounting pressure to set out the limits of Britain’s involvement and explain its eventual exit strategy. The uncertainty over the purpose and the length of the war comes after mixed messages from the government over whether Gaddafi himself is a legitimate target.
On March 21, Downing Street publicly contradicted claims by the Chief of the Defence Staff General Sir David Richards that Gaddafi could not be legally killed in a military strike. Chancellor of the Exchequer George Osborne chimed in by saying that the cost of the war would not spiral out of control, adding that it would be “in the tens of millions not the hundreds of millions of pounds.”
The debate in Britain may soon become a moot one. Defense insiders say the British Navy will run out of Tomahawk missiles after a fifth of the Navy stockpile has already been used against Libya. The British Navy has fired up to 20 percent of its 64 Tomahawks in the opening salvos of the war, leading to concerns that it is “burning through” its armoury and soon will be left unable to finish its mission.
In France, President Nicolas “Napoleon” Sarkozy was quick to take credit for the intervention against Libya even before it began, saying France had “decided to assume its role, its role before history” in stopping Gaddafi’s “killing spree” against people whose only crime was to seek to “liberate themselves from servitude.”
Sarkozy’s newfound concern for democracy in Libya contrasts sharply from only three years ago, when Sarkozy hosted Gaddafi for an extravagant five-day state visit to France. On that December 2007 occasion, Gaddafi breezed into Paris accompanied by an entourage of 400 servants, five airplanes, a camel, and 30 female virgin bodyguards, and then pitched his Bedouin tent just across the street from the Elysée Palace.
To be sure, Sarkozy’s main rival is not Gaddafi, but rather Marine Le Pen, the charismatic new leader of the far-right National Front party in France. A new opinion poll published by Le Parisien newspaper on March 8 has Le Pen winning the first round of next year’s presidential election.
Le Pen is riding high on voter dissatisfaction with the failure of the mainstream parties to address the problem of Muslim immigration. Since taking her post three months ago, Le Pen has single-handedly catapulted the twin issues of Muslim immigration and French national identity to the top of the French political agenda. In recent weeks, Le Pen has been a permanent fixture on prime-time television to discuss the threat to France of a wave of immigrants from Libya.
This comes after a March 6 interview with the French newspaper Journal du Dimanche, in which Gaddafi pledged that Europe will be “invaded” by an army of African immigrants. “You will have immigration. Thousands of people from Libya will invade Europe. There will be no-one to stop them any more,” Gaddafi promised.
Threatened by Le Pen’s rising popularity, and in urgent need of a political boost, Sarkozy is now using the Libya intervention both to play the role of the respected statesman on the international stage and to address French concerns over mass immigration from North Africa.
With the French economy stalled, and unemployment stuck at 9.6%, Sarkozy has been eager to keep the spotlight focused squarely on him, which is why he has been opposed to handing political control of the operation in Libya over to the U.S.-led NATO.
Italy, in particular, has reacted bitterly to France’s aggressive posture vis-à-vis Libya. Prior to the war, Italian Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi had built close personal and economic ties with Libya and was reluctant to break with Gaddafi. Italy depends on Libya for much of its oil and gas supplies and Libya has invested billions in Italian companies.
The head of the Italian Senate’s defense affairs committee, Gianpiero Cantoni, told the Corriere della Sera newspaper that France was motivated by a desire to secure oil contracts with a future Libyan government, while Italy would have to face a potential flood of refugees.
Once Italy began enforcing the no-fly zone with its own aircraft, and made seven Italian airbases available to Britain, France, and the United States for the ongoing operations, Berlusconi began looking for political cover by insisting that NATO assume command of the operations in Libya. At one point, Italian Foreign Minister Franco Frattini warned that Italy would take back control of its airbases unless a NATO coordination structure was agreed.
In Turkey, the Islamist Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan initially came out against approving a command role for NATO in the intervention, not because Libya is a fellow Muslim country, but because Erdogan felt snubbed after Sarkozy failed to invite him to a March 19 summit in Paris on the military action. Erdogan later relented after NATO allies stroked his ego.
In Cyprus, President Demetris Christofias said he is opposed to the intervention in Libya, and his government initially refused permission for three military jets from Qatar to land on the island. But Christofias changed tack and allowed the aircraft to touch down at an airport in Larnaca after they came close to ditching in the Mediterranean Sea. The Qatari pilots had been blown off course and nearly ran out of fuel. After refuelling, the jets flew on to the Greek island of Crete to join coalition air forces patrolling the no-fly zone.
In Norway, Defence Minister Grete Faremo warned that Norway may ground its six F-16 fighter jets taking part in the sorties over Libya if it deems their missions too dangerous. “If Norway cannot take part in the operational plans that emerge — if the risk of civilian lives being lost is too great, for example — Norway can take out the ‘red card’ and keep its fighters from participating,” she warned. Meanwhile, Foreign Minister Jonas Gahr Støre said his country would put a time limit on its military involvement in Libya. “We have made our planes available for three months,” he said.
In Switzerland, Defense Minister Ueli Maurer criticised the air raids on Libya. In an interview with the Zürich-based Tages Anzeiger, Maurer called the move “a fire drill” and warned that coalition forces would not achieve their objectives in Libya. He also urged that Switzerland remain neutral.
In 2010, Gaddafi called for jihad against Switzerland after Swiss voters approved a constitutional ban on the building of minarets. “Any Muslim in any part of the world who works with Switzerland is an apostate, is against Muhammad, God and the Koran,” Gaddafi said.
In both Belgium and Spain, hitherto pacifist countries have done a complete about-face on Libya. In Belgium, which was vociferously opposed to removing Saddam Hussein from power in Iraq, Defense Minister Pieter de Crem said: “The goal is the departure of the Gaddafi regime and the establishment of a dignified society for the Libyan people. This requires a Western presence even after the military strikes end.” Those are tough words from a country that has had no workable government for almost one year.
As an angry Gaddafi threatens to turn the “entire Mediterranean into a battlefield,” it remains to be seen whether Europe’s gamble in Libya will pay off. The first week of this conflict has not been encouraging, and any political bounce European leaders may achieve is likely to ebb the longer the military campaign against Gaddafi lasts.






The Arab world always has been a battle field, if not with their neighbors, each other. As the British said about the Arabs at the turn of the last century, trust only their loyalty to Allah.
The Euro Keystone Kops need America’s marshal Will Kane, but are getting deputy Barney Fife.
It is now Gomer Pyle giving a citizens arrest against Barney Fife (may God rest his soul)! The confusion is mostly on account of Obama our new Barney Fife and Gomer Pyle combined!
A larger problem then dis-unity in Libya or in NATO is the lack of leadership in our own country. We have no business engaging in more foreign problems until we solve the one here first.
You kill ‘em. No, you kill ‘em. No, I can’t, I’m busy. Busy, tell me about it. My wife never stops making up things for me to do. Yeah, but you don’t have a bunch of muslims hopping all over the place in the attic. That’s true but I’ve got Republicans who’d like me to commit suicide at their convenience. So what? Well, so what right back. You’re being selfish. C’mon, kill some. No, you kill ‘em. I can’t. Well, I can’t either. I killed some and that’s enough. No it’s not. Yes it is. You kill some. I killed more than you did. No you didn’t. Sure I did. Prove it. It’s in all the papers with pictures and everything. No it’s not. Yes it is.
And so on and so forth.
Thank you. That whole deal seemed to me like a total cluster —-. Although I’m still a bit confused, you have made it much clearer for me.
The only thing that unites Europeans is their fanatic and genocidal hatred of Jews, and their desire to see Ahmedinejad follow through on his threat (well, to Europeans, it’s a promise) to wipe Israel off the map, then have their native Muslims expel or slaughter the remaining Jews of Europe. That is why the Europeans tolerate all those Islamic troublemakers and terrorists; it is because Europeans hate Jews far more than they hate Muslims.
Or it’s because they’re afraid of their new masters who are the only people left in Europe who haven’t sunk into a coffee infused malaise who still have the resolve to blow up shit at the drop of a hat. At this point I think a dozen determined muslims could topple the whole edifice if they really understood how rotten it is. Don’t be surprised if a few muslims go into the Hague with pistols, declare they’re taking over and Western Europe surrenders.
Sweden’s practically giving away the place anyway like they’re having some kind of sale and moving on like the elves at the end of the Lord of the Rings. Wish I could go with them.
Europeans do not need Islamonazis to hate Jews. But they do need them to do the dirty work of finishing Hitler’s work. It is the one thing that Europeans can agree on – from a Trotskyist in Paris to a mainstream Eurosocialist EU bureaucrat in Brussels to a Jobbik “far-rightist” in Budapest (where there are few Muslims) to a Slavic nationalist in Kiev – the Europeans are united in their desire to see a Judenfrei world.
It’s a global ‘Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell’. You don’t ask what the war Is about, and they won’t tell you either.
Props to Belgium for their warlike stance. Their gay soldier cadres will be VERY popular and put the best happy face on the image of the West in the Muslim world. Props to the commie terrorist Joschka Fischer. BTW — he’s no pacifist. Just asked the policeman he nearly bludgeoned to death as part of his Putzgruppe, or the “Proletarian Union for Terror and Destruction”, which he belonged to. With frenemies like this, do the scabrous Saudi and Iranian Islamic fascists rally look that bad?
And I love the brazen way Europe admits it’s about the oil. Sure, passing mention is made of a so-called “humanitarian crisis”, but this is blatantly about Obama and the Euros joining together to shed American Blood and Treasure for European Oil. This is the same crew that incinerated trans-Atlantic goodwill in Iraq by endlessly accusing America of doing Iraq to “steal” their oil. Never mind it never happened. Of course we were to stupid to not secure a massive oil concession to help pay for the trillion dollar bill nation building in Iraq. Still, you’ve got to hand it to the decadent Euros for at least retaining a vestigial notion of exactly what “national interest” actually means. It is something that Bush and Obama (each in his own retarded way), have utterly forgotten.
What a farce! The Euro Trash are falling all over themselves trying to not get involved while at the same time getting involved in Libya but denying they are getting involved and demanding that other Euro Trash nations also get involved. Barry is off sunning himself somewhere, or getting in another round of golf or even worse yet handing off his responsibility as the duly elected Commander in Chief of the United States of America to a bunch of hags, Hillary, Susan and Samantha who know little but talk much. We desperately need a President who will stand tall and take charge. Instead we have a wimp who is hiding behind the dresses or maybe pants suits would be better of his chosen ladies.
We need to step aside from all of these places and keep our powder dry, and well-stockpiled, for the coming war with Iran. Libya is a sideshow. Egypt is lost. We need to stand back; observe; and wait. Let the eurotrash pee their britches all they want; and let state fascists do battle with the islamo-fascists.
The NATO/Arab League intervention in Libya is going very well and will provide a template for future joint interventions in MENA and the Levant.
Gates pointed out that the initial debate was inevitable for an intervention crafted on the fly.
NATO redefined its long term strategy at the Nov 2010 summit in Lisbon and now France is integrated into the NATO command structure.
Israel was upset that their application to join NATO was rejected unanimously at the summit
– so now Hasbara is attacking NATO and defining all NATO members as anti Semitic
–get a life
—in fact the reasons for the rejection Israel were clear, obvious and very fair.
NATO members are, in fact, Anti-Settler — with good reason– and they have International Law supporting their antisettlerism.
You’re a fool, at best. The Euros have no use for Israel because it has no oil, nor any terrorists within Europe.
“The Euros have no use for Israel because it has no oil,”
But starting in 2012, it will have a lot of natural gas. And they plan to use it to make the Balkans dependent on them for it.
Mmmm, I like that newspeak, “anti-settlerism”. If it’s actually enshrined within international law (and I have no reason to doubt otherwise), then it’s perfect for sending back all those reconquista settlers that have taken it upon themselves to swarm into the US. Good job, and thanks for the new word!!!
“The NATO/Arab League intervention in Libya….”
Arab League intervention? Where is Egypt? Where is Syria? Where is Iran, Saudi Arabia? They pulled out knowing that if they support this sort of idiocy they could be next. It’s about the oil and concerns about destabilization of the region leading to additional immigration into Europe. And they sucked Clinton and Obama into the mess to legitimize the circus. Neither one is experienced enough to know better. We need to get out of NATO. The cold war is over. Let the Euros start paying for their own national defenses and see how much money they have left over for their social agendas.
Things are going well? Mubark resigned from office 17 days after the start of the Egyptian Revolution (which is now predictably going Islamist). It’s now 39 days since the start of the Islamist led revolt in Libya and Kaddafy is still in power. Everyday he survives is a defeat for the kinetic coalition. Without ground support the Islamist rebels cannot prevail in toppling Kaddafy.
BTW, anti-Israel, anti-West Bank setterism is bad internatiolnal law as it reduces a conflict driven by Arab racism, cultural imperialism and religious intolernece to justified Israeli settlements on the West Bank-justified as it was the restoration of the status quo ante illegally destroyed by Jordan.
Click my name and read my widely linked piece Why Hamas Resummed Terror Attacks on Israel.
Hey everybody they’re saying on the Huffington Post that Gaddafi has retired!
Well, maybe it says ‘retreated’ – or something like that.
I dunno – I don’t have my glasses on and I’m eating a sandwich.
is he going to Germany?
cuz
On March 15th Gadhafi had an interview with a German TV station. What he said I quoted below. The vote in the security council was March 17th.
Gadhafi must have been very sure how the Germans would behave. Does this tell us something about the talks going on in the background?
“Germany … not France … deserves a permanent seat on the UN Security Council.”
“Among Western nations, only Germany, which has been hesitant to call for a no-fly zone over the country to protect embattled rebels fighting against the leader, stood out as “responsible”.
“The Germans have taken a very good position towards us, very different from many other important countries in the West,” he said, adding that he imagined Libya could work with German firms in the future.
French President Nicolas Sarkozy and Britain have led calls for a no-fly zone, which Germany and Russia argue could be counterproductive. In the interview, Gaddafi called Sarkozy his friend but said he was “suffering from mental illness”.
France as one of the “leaders”? How the hell do you lead with both hands above your head? Besides it’s getting close to the carbeque season in France.
Actually the NATO/Arab League is winning–well done
What did you expect with U.S. help? Now they have us fighting for their oil. Do I hear any criticism of GWB now?
funny, I thought it was for water
In France, President Nicolas “Napoleon” Sarkozy was quick to take credit for the intervention against Libya even before it began, saying France had “decided to assume its role, its role before history” in stopping Gaddafi’s “killing spree” against people whose only crime was to seek to “liberate themselves from servitude.”
Which were the people that praised Sarkozy before he got elected? You and alikes, that already were calling him for the Napoleon’s role in France (I remember reading your kinds of blogs saying it) he was received by Bush before he was officially candidate… so he was YOUR candidate, and now, you spit on him because he is making what he was expected by the previous american administration, any coherence in there?
“Sarkozy’s newfound concern for democracy in Libya contrasts sharply from only three years ago, when Sarkozy hosted Gaddafi for an extravagant five-day state visit to France. On that December 2007 occasion, Gaddafi breezed into Paris accompanied by an entourage of 400 servants, five airplanes, a camel, and 30 female virgin bodyguards, and then pitched his Bedouin tent just across the street from the Elysée Palace.”
Sorry, but who told sarkozy that Kadhafi was a new recommandable leader? YOU and your administration ! Paris was chosen by your administration for his new official diplomatic reconnaissance among the good ol western world ! and Sarkozy as your fidel servant made the Court show move on.
uh the 30 female virgin bodyguards were hired for making the show in the Folies Bergères, not to serve the president, but tell us how Berlusconi would have behave then!
BTW, tell us of the 150 pin-ups hired by Kadhafi to promote islam in Italy ! uh not virgins, t’em !
To be sure, Sarkozy’s main rival is not Gaddafi, but rather Marine Le Pen, the charismatic new leader of the far-right National Front party in France. A new opinion poll published by Le Parisien newspaper on March 8 has Le Pen winning the first round of next year’s presidential election
Hmm if he wanted to lose points vis-à-vis the National Front, then he did the right thing, the National Front is OPPOSED to the Libya war ! check the right papers !
“Le Pen has single-handedly catapulted the twin issues of Muslim immigration and French national identity to the top of the French political agenda. In recent weeks, Le Pen has been a permanent fixture on prime-time television to discuss the threat to France of a wave of immigrants from Libya.”
Certainly NOT, the money crisis and the reforms hold 90% of the primes. Lepen only complied of the muslims praying on the streets, not of the virtual wave of immigrants from Libya, who would still prefer Italy, while only french speaking Maghreb countries would go to France !
as far as the libyan oil for France, it’s a non-starter, Total has its fields in Sahara, Gabon… but libya is the favorite prey for the Italians, the Brits, Shell, Exxon (bizarre, no, but if you need documents, I can provide you some)
And the Italians are whinning like donkeys for getting some corn, from whom? the americans, and you fall into their Comedia del Arte !
Erdogan was against the Air-strikes, thus no need to invite him in Paris, when it was still not question to request NATO, but to get the green light from the Arab league !
and all these cabinet quarrel about Nato, not Nato, it is because the european countries that have Nato bases are under pressure that some will be closed down for economical cuts, hence the italian whinings, and the Turkey reluctance first, but at its conditions… The only Coalition Alliees that kept their dignity and fair play, were the Brits, bravo, now we know who are the foes, and who are our alliees, this at least the good thing of the deal !
And the Brits and the French could have handled the whole affair alone, but America wanted to make its show too, and it managed to set the bordel in Europe ! was it on purpose?
we layed the baby with forceps, now that it is born, it is going to be hijacked by the neighbours that want to breed it in place of it original parents. quelle bande d’enfoirés !
“…..in stopping Gaddafi’s “killing spree” against people whose only crime was to seek to “liberate themselves from servitude…”
Do you honestly believe that the Frogs, Brits, the UN and NATO would go to war to stop a “killing spree”? So why did they need the Arab League, which never showed up? Or the Americans? In case something goes wrong, so they can be blamed? You and the Euros are very good at blaming Bush and the Americans (your post @13). You are naive. Did you ever hear of “national self-interest”? It is there somewhere.
oh a courageous Anonymous !
my “13″ post was a reply to Mr Kern assertions !
Yes, I’m aware of all the stakes, but do not worship the given explanation of them on this board !
and your country had the same ambitions :
http://www.spacewar.com/reports/Typhoons_Libya_debut_seen_as_sales_boost_999.html
http://defensetech.org/2011/03/25/is-a-lack-of-secure-comms-keeping-the-f-22-out-of-libya-fight/
but unfortunately they couldn’t match the others
Perhaps Mr Kern will appreciate to know that:
“Libya’s Test of the New International Order”
http://www.brookings.edu/opinions/2011/0226_libya_shaikh.aspx
funny, no?
@ 5. Eric R..
being from Europe, I couldnt agree more!
@ Marie Claude
That Brookings Institute from Doha is actually even more biased than Al Jazeerah. It’s like listening to the Muslim Brotherhood when their director is interviewed 4 times a day on Al Jazeerah.
Merci, though I had this feeling too
and see who is defining it the best:
http://www.newsmax.com/InsideCover/Brzezinski-Libya-intervention-MorningJoe/2011/03/24/id/390587
On the authority of the gang of dictators and thugs that comprise the un, 0′Zero went to war with Libya to protect Franco-German oil interests and the rest of the Euro-peons’ Neo-Soviet’s on and off-shore member states’ American Taxpayer facilitated free-false-teeth-for-geezers’ programs!
“0′Zero went to war with Libya to protect Franco-German oil interests”
uh, only 8% for us, but 14% for the Germanz, 32% for the Italians…
but you did have to show to the planet how your planes work all right (except that one crashed !)
and you know, in these times of money crisis and unemployment, the enterprises that still male money are the arms enterprises !
This can’t be true. Obama would never do anything that would be to America’s benefit in any way. If anything, he is trying to make the point that America is no longer a leader in the world, by placing American power under leadership of the French. That’s what he keeps insisting, and what we know the goal of his presidency is.
At least Obama won’t be labeled a war criminal as George W. Bush was; the war criminal is now Mr Sarkozy.
“Germany, Europe’s pacifist great power, will have none of it. After NATO Secretary General Anders Fogh Rasmussen announced that the alliance would monitor ship traffic in the Mediterranean Sea and intercept vessels suspected of carrying illegal arms or mercenaries to Libya, German Defense Minister Thomas de Maizière immediately withdrew four German navy ships with a total of 550 sailors from NATO’s command. He said Germany did not want to be dragged into a military role in the region.”
Makes you wonder what Germany is doing IN NATO at all? If they are never going to use their military for anything other than parades, why don’t they just declare themselves neutral like Sweden? If they don’t support NATO when it counts most, then they shouldn’t be in it at all. NATO is a MILITARY alliance, which means that, eventually, Germany will have to use its military to support that alliance. But they didn’t want to fight in Afghanistan, and they certainly don’t want to even participate in a naval blockade in Libya, so why have them at all? Just so we can keep a few miitary bases in Germany? I think what Donald Rumsfeld said about “Old Europe” is right. They really are turning into a sad replica of what they once were, great nations.
War is too serious a matter to entrust to heads of state……… with apologies to Georges Clemenceau.
Warriors are blowing up Libyan tanks, enforcing a no fly zone order. Tanks do not fly. This targeting is impossible without boots on the ground, people who ID and lase targets. Without an air force, tanks and artillery become the dominating weapons. Whoever spends a fortune in blood and treasure, destroying these, must then contend with RPGs, IEDs, AK-47s, and suicide vests. As they bribe warlords, in “nation building.”
I conclude that as $110/br oil collapses the world’s economies, leaders must have a unifying diversion. Otherwise it is impossible to explain why we have suddenly allied in a coalition with Al-Qaeda fighting a dictator who has not changed one bit in forty years.
We have seen this movie before; it was not good the first time. And will not end well.
Actually, this one ends worse! Al-Qaeda with oil revenues.
and what are you Saudi friends?
As an ex-denizen of that God-forsaken Central Europe I have no love lost for the Continental powers that for centuries kept Europe in the state of permanent conflict, indeed Dar al-Harb. However, I have to agree with Marie Claude above – the first prize in stupidity/hypocrisy goes here to the Old, Good USA. The reason is we have allowed the liberal facists here to take control of the country and to put in the White House an empty suite with a strong Islamic vest. I submit to you that Imam Hussein Obama simply wants to destroy the West by destroying first the USA (sorry, my sophisticated Euro-compatriots – without the Yankee simpletons you are as good as dead).. And the natural way of achieving that is to recreate the Caliphate, with nuclear weapons. That’s why he supports those “peaceful revolutions” for he knows they are controlled by Jihadists Robespierres’s/ Lenins in waiting. Note he did not support the opposition in Iran – the Mullahs there are what he wants.
Let Allah have mercy on us,
The European barbarians who are vandalizing Libya understand they will have to replace the Libyan military to reestablish order in Libya so a democratic government has a chance to develop? If NATO nations don’t want to send in troops to establish order I’m sure al Qaeda will be glad to send a few thousand combat veterans in to accomplish the task. As John Rosenthal has reported, al Qaeda already is helping the rebels.
I wonder how much al Qaeda will charge Europe for Libya’s oil.
As Colin Powell warned President George W. Bush, the pottery barn rule applies. “You break it, you buy it.”
Is modern Europe led by civilized people or by people like their ancestors who destroyed Rome without concern about any consequences?
hmm those Muslims aren’t Camels breeders anymore,
Radical Islam finds its fertile ground under tyranic regimes for good reasons, first because tyrans need to show the plebe a enemy, that is “the infidel Westerners” to keep them busy. Also, when people are denied to contest and or to chose their representants, they tend to radicalise. It’s also true for our western countries which are ruled by the political correctness diktats, hence the far-right parties scores
I love you Marie Claude but please save that crap (pardon my French) for other times and places. There is no “radical Islam” but just Islam (please consult the Turkish Prime Minister). And do your homework – start with Sura 9.5 in the Holy Koran: “Slay infidels wherever you find them” – that’s just the beginning. I am sure you will find a good French translation. You will realize that Mein Kampf is a love story when compared with Koran. Follow Vladimir Lenin, that Leftists’ guru: “Study, study, and once more study.”
waldemar
I don’t love the pessimists