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		<title>By: Leos Tomicek</title>
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		<dc:creator>Leos Tomicek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Feb 2010 01:38:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh dear, what a piece. You truly have a unique ability to connect totally irrelevant information. Anyway what dialect of German does Goble speak, Baltic regional? &#039;Zieg&#039; FAIL! :-))

No wonder the CIA agents get slaughtered in a gym when they have such brilliant minds as Goble working for them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh dear, what a piece. You truly have a unique ability to connect totally irrelevant information. Anyway what dialect of German does Goble speak, Baltic regional? &#8216;Zieg&#8217; FAIL! <img src='http://pjmedia.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> )</p>
<p>No wonder the CIA agents get slaughtered in a gym when they have such brilliant minds as Goble working for them.</p>
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		<title>By: orknexus</title>
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		<dc:creator>orknexus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jan 2009 07:32:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;BLOCKQUOTE&gt;FP: (BTW I don’t know what “race” “estonians” are (some kind of caucasoids from the mountians there; presumably non ‘Indo Euro’). And I don’t care. I’m Scottish from New Jersey.)&lt;/BLOCKQUOTE&gt;

I am fascinated by the phenomenon of Internet giving a public tribune for self-expression to every utterly unqualified ignorant fool in the Universe, and others, who mostly consider themselves to be serious people, coming together to discuss the presented BS as if it would be informed, respectable, well thought out and motivated specialist conclusion.

Wonderful...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>FP: (BTW I don’t know what “race” “estonians” are (some kind of caucasoids from the mountians there; presumably non ‘Indo Euro’). And I don’t care. I’m Scottish from New Jersey.)</p></blockquote>
<p>I am fascinated by the phenomenon of Internet giving a public tribune for self-expression to every utterly unqualified ignorant fool in the Universe, and others, who mostly consider themselves to be serious people, coming together to discuss the presented BS as if it would be informed, respectable, well thought out and motivated specialist conclusion.</p>
<p>Wonderful&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Tom</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Apr 2008 18:26:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hope this post goes up, for some reason it wasn&#039;t posted the first time!

Would it be too much to ask someone, anyone, out of charity, to please edit this poor immigrant&#039;s terrible English? It makes PM look like a rinky-dink site. These sentences for example:

Kozlovsky was holding his meetings in an private apartment he rented for the purpose. What would it take to given him the ability to rent a real office suite in secure building?

It ruins the whole effect of her moral plea for this beleaguered Kozlovsky guy. It&#039;s a good thing he doesn&#039;t know how a plea on his behalf got turned into a Borat joke.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hope this post goes up, for some reason it wasn&#8217;t posted the first time!</p>
<p>Would it be too much to ask someone, anyone, out of charity, to please edit this poor immigrant&#8217;s terrible English? It makes PM look like a rinky-dink site. These sentences for example:</p>
<p>Kozlovsky was holding his meetings in an private apartment he rented for the purpose. What would it take to given him the ability to rent a real office suite in secure building?</p>
<p>It ruins the whole effect of her moral plea for this beleaguered Kozlovsky guy. It&#8217;s a good thing he doesn&#8217;t know how a plea on his behalf got turned into a Borat joke.</p>
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		<title>By: Kim Zigfeld</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kim Zigfeld</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Apr 2008 05:31:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmmm, so Estonians can&#039;t boot out Russians but Russians can boot out whomever they like, and your comments are utterly devoid of any criticism of Russia&#039;s regime, but that&#039;s &quot;right&quot; and those who disagree with you are not only &quot;wrong&quot; but stupid. How convenient! I congratulate you on becoming a fully realized neo-Soviet man.  I hope you enjoy yourself in the ashcan of history.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmmm, so Estonians can&#8217;t boot out Russians but Russians can boot out whomever they like, and your comments are utterly devoid of any criticism of Russia&#8217;s regime, but that&#8217;s &#8220;right&#8221; and those who disagree with you are not only &#8220;wrong&#8221; but stupid. How convenient! I congratulate you on becoming a fully realized neo-Soviet man.  I hope you enjoy yourself in the ashcan of history.</p>
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		<title>By: FP</title>
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		<dc:creator>FP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Apr 2008 00:09:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s like you didn&#039;t even read what I said above.

Try it again...
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Until there are _real_ solutions to “balkinization” (part of the many faceted “human condition”, which is a poetic human 

conceit really meaning the ignored though persistent natural reality of the obstinate cosmos), there is no reason for a breed 
to allow/advocate its own marginalization in the grand darwinist scheme of things.

Given the cold hard facts of reality –especially as regards the effortless cruelty of children and females– if one becomes 
the ugly duckling in his _own home pond_ he’s done…
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Where&#039;s that renowend verbal acuity sweety. It&#039;s like you didn&#039;t even read what I said.

Just saying you despise racism isn&#039;t good enough. It doesn&#039;t change anything. The majority will still become the minority and then will be marginalized by &quot;racism&quot; in their own homeland if they don&#039;t fight back against migrating minorities. America has already overtly demonstratred this very nicely thankyou (first with the Indians and now with the white males). 

I could just as easily say &quot;I despise migration&quot; (which has always led to &quot;reverse rascim&quot;). And I could continue easily by saying &quot;It is _immoral_ to migrate to someone else&#039;s homeland, ultimately stealing spoils from the host culture&#039;s crib and blood, sweat and tears legacy. 

Just using a political trick of denouncing the host culture&#039;s reflex of self survival as immoral and something to be despised doesn&#039;t address a single thing; it is simply a political trick (witting or otherwise) to lull the host population&#039;s sheep into compliance.

Just saying you despise &#039;racism&#039; [read you despise the success of some majority of host citizens somewhere who aren&#039;t letting your favorites reap spoils] doesn&#039;t change anything deep.

As far as you asking me to prove I&#039;m loyal to your cause, where are your links demonstrating that you openly despise &#039;migrant power prejudiciously marginalizing host weakness&#039; [read: &quot;racism&quot;] when that marginalizing of host weakness benefits your interests? Any links where you &quot;openly criticize&quot; what Israel (a newly arrived migrant nation) does to the vestigial host culture there?... hmmm?

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Oh and civil ordinances about having to ask to move to over populated Moscow is not &quot;racism&quot;. It is a verbal trick you&#039;re using in the story to get allies. Same with the &#039;Estonia issue&#039; (which is political border stuff from recent baltic history not racism per se).

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I state again from my first post here: 

&quot;The american “right” is so littered with ‘cross purposes’ agendas, through hijacking, it is useless as a “right”. It is actually dangerous to any vestigial right.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s like you didn&#8217;t even read what I said above.</p>
<p>Try it again&#8230;<br />
&#8212;<br />
&#8212;<br />
Until there are _real_ solutions to “balkinization” (part of the many faceted “human condition”, which is a poetic human </p>
<p>conceit really meaning the ignored though persistent natural reality of the obstinate cosmos), there is no reason for a breed<br />
to allow/advocate its own marginalization in the grand darwinist scheme of things.</p>
<p>Given the cold hard facts of reality –especially as regards the effortless cruelty of children and females– if one becomes<br />
the ugly duckling in his _own home pond_ he’s done…<br />
&#8212;-<br />
&#8212;-<br />
Where&#8217;s that renowend verbal acuity sweety. It&#8217;s like you didn&#8217;t even read what I said.</p>
<p>Just saying you despise racism isn&#8217;t good enough. It doesn&#8217;t change anything. The majority will still become the minority and then will be marginalized by &#8220;racism&#8221; in their own homeland if they don&#8217;t fight back against migrating minorities. America has already overtly demonstratred this very nicely thankyou (first with the Indians and now with the white males). </p>
<p>I could just as easily say &#8220;I despise migration&#8221; (which has always led to &#8220;reverse rascim&#8221;). And I could continue easily by saying &#8220;It is _immoral_ to migrate to someone else&#8217;s homeland, ultimately stealing spoils from the host culture&#8217;s crib and blood, sweat and tears legacy. </p>
<p>Just using a political trick of denouncing the host culture&#8217;s reflex of self survival as immoral and something to be despised doesn&#8217;t address a single thing; it is simply a political trick (witting or otherwise) to lull the host population&#8217;s sheep into compliance.</p>
<p>Just saying you despise &#8216;racism&#8217; [read you despise the success of some majority of host citizens somewhere who aren't letting your favorites reap spoils] doesn&#8217;t change anything deep.</p>
<p>As far as you asking me to prove I&#8217;m loyal to your cause, where are your links demonstrating that you openly despise &#8216;migrant power prejudiciously marginalizing host weakness&#8217; [read: "racism"] when that marginalizing of host weakness benefits your interests? Any links where you &#8220;openly criticize&#8221; what Israel (a newly arrived migrant nation) does to the vestigial host culture there?&#8230; hmmm?</p>
<p>&#8212;&#8212;-<br />
Oh and civil ordinances about having to ask to move to over populated Moscow is not &#8220;racism&#8221;. It is a verbal trick you&#8217;re using in the story to get allies. Same with the &#8216;Estonia issue&#8217; (which is political border stuff from recent baltic history not racism per se).</p>
<p>&#8212;&#8212;-<br />
I state again from my first post here: </p>
<p>&#8220;The american “right” is so littered with ‘cross purposes’ agendas, through hijacking, it is useless as a “right”. It is actually dangerous to any vestigial right.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Kim Zigfeld</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/blog/ethnic-cleansing-in-russia/#comment-29033</link>
		<dc:creator>Kim Zigfeld</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Apr 2008 21:41:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>FP:

So I presume then that you have openly criticized Vladimir Putin for instructing Russians in Estonia to remain in the country and demand equal treatment with native Estonians?  If that is so, can you please link me to your comments? I&#039;d love to read them!

As for me, I despise racism, and Russian nationalism is Slavic nationalism, fundamentally racist.  I think being racist harms Russia greatly. I&#039;m saddened to see that you appear to think otherwise.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>FP:</p>
<p>So I presume then that you have openly criticized Vladimir Putin for instructing Russians in Estonia to remain in the country and demand equal treatment with native Estonians?  If that is so, can you please link me to your comments? I&#8217;d love to read them!</p>
<p>As for me, I despise racism, and Russian nationalism is Slavic nationalism, fundamentally racist.  I think being racist harms Russia greatly. I&#8217;m saddened to see that you appear to think otherwise.</p>
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		<title>By: FP</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/blog/ethnic-cleansing-in-russia/#comment-28988</link>
		<dc:creator>FP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Apr 2008 16:06:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt;Do you [believe]...: “Estonia for Estonians”? Do you feel that ethnic Russians living in Estonia should go 
&gt;back home to Russia...?

Yes!

(BTW I don&#039;t know what &quot;race&quot; &quot;estonians&quot; are (some kind of caucasoids from the mountians there; presumably non &#039;Indo Euro&#039;). And I don&#039;t care. I&#039;m Scottish from New Jersey.)

Here&#039;s the deal...
People are inherently zenophobic (&#039;race&#039; being one trigger for that bio impulse). The squatting citizens of a region (otherwise termed a race) are not simply more immoral [read zenophobic] than the type migrating to them. This is an important point which you types leave out --The minority is just as likely to &quot;oppress&quot; bigotedly if they become the majority in their new found &quot;homeland&quot;. 

(Hell, I just saw on the tube --regarding that recent raid on the mormons in Texas-- an ADA from san fransico make a skin crawl gesture and say &quot;[but it&#039;s so alien an odd, their lifestyle]&quot;, in response to someone saying &quot;it is unconstitutional to raid like that&quot;. Aint that rich...)

Until there are _real_ solutions to &quot;balkinization&quot; (part of the many faceted &quot;human condition&quot;, which is a poetic human conceit really meaning the ignored though persistent natural reality of the obstinate cosmos), there is no reason for a breed to allow/advocate its own marginalization in the grand darwinist scheme of things.

Given the cold hard facts of reality --especially as regards the effortless cruelty of children and females-- if one becomes the ugly duckling in his _own home pond_ he&#039;s done...

Unless one&#039;s a diaspersing traveler. 

Therein lies our irreconcilable difference. I&#039;m no good at that and therefore I don&#039;t advocate a clime of ever shifting homelands and economic exploitation of host population knaves.

Those that do, often say &quot;but so called economic exploitation leads to &#039;growth&#039; and that makes things better for those ex-knaves of the host population&quot;. To which I say &quot;better is relative&quot; and it is also a convenient arrangment of data... Eg it is indeed better to have a tooth brush that spins @ 3000 rpms (I guess) but it is NOT better to have females run amok and cheat and lie etc with impunity (which is the other side of &#039;growth&#039;). But that not-better part there is left out of the data package used to evidence the betterment that is &#039;growth&#039; (or it is perversly spun into some kind of positive and then craftily force fed to the host population knaves).

Ya dig honey. (As if... )</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt;Do you [believe]&#8230;: “Estonia for Estonians”? Do you feel that ethnic Russians living in Estonia should go<br />
&gt;back home to Russia&#8230;?</p>
<p>Yes!</p>
<p>(BTW I don&#8217;t know what &#8220;race&#8221; &#8220;estonians&#8221; are (some kind of caucasoids from the mountians there; presumably non &#8216;Indo Euro&#8217;). And I don&#8217;t care. I&#8217;m Scottish from New Jersey.)</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s the deal&#8230;<br />
People are inherently zenophobic (&#8216;race&#8217; being one trigger for that bio impulse). The squatting citizens of a region (otherwise termed a race) are not simply more immoral [read zenophobic] than the type migrating to them. This is an important point which you types leave out &#8211;The minority is just as likely to &#8220;oppress&#8221; bigotedly if they become the majority in their new found &#8220;homeland&#8221;. </p>
<p>(Hell, I just saw on the tube &#8211;regarding that recent raid on the mormons in Texas&#8211; an ADA from san fransico make a skin crawl gesture and say &#8220;[but it's so alien an odd, their lifestyle]&#8220;, in response to someone saying &#8220;it is unconstitutional to raid like that&#8221;. Aint that rich&#8230;)</p>
<p>Until there are _real_ solutions to &#8220;balkinization&#8221; (part of the many faceted &#8220;human condition&#8221;, which is a poetic human conceit really meaning the ignored though persistent natural reality of the obstinate cosmos), there is no reason for a breed to allow/advocate its own marginalization in the grand darwinist scheme of things.</p>
<p>Given the cold hard facts of reality &#8211;especially as regards the effortless cruelty of children and females&#8211; if one becomes the ugly duckling in his _own home pond_ he&#8217;s done&#8230;</p>
<p>Unless one&#8217;s a diaspersing traveler. </p>
<p>Therein lies our irreconcilable difference. I&#8217;m no good at that and therefore I don&#8217;t advocate a clime of ever shifting homelands and economic exploitation of host population knaves.</p>
<p>Those that do, often say &#8220;but so called economic exploitation leads to &#8216;growth&#8217; and that makes things better for those ex-knaves of the host population&#8221;. To which I say &#8220;better is relative&#8221; and it is also a convenient arrangment of data&#8230; Eg it is indeed better to have a tooth brush that spins @ 3000 rpms (I guess) but it is NOT better to have females run amok and cheat and lie etc with impunity (which is the other side of &#8216;growth&#8217;). But that not-better part there is left out of the data package used to evidence the betterment that is &#8216;growth&#8217; (or it is perversly spun into some kind of positive and then craftily force fed to the host population knaves).</p>
<p>Ya dig honey. (As if&#8230; )</p>
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		<title>By: Kim Zigfeld</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kim Zigfeld</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Apr 2008 08:31:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>FP:

Do you, then support the motto: &quot;Estonia for Estonians&quot;?  Do you feel that ethnic Russians living in Estonia should go back home to Russia if they don&#039;t like the way Estonia treats them?

Some people might argue that Russia shouldn&#039;t isolate itself from the world by proudly proclaiming racism, but rather should work towards cooperation.  The last time Russia decided to alienate the entire world and go its own way, it ended rather badly.

Other might argue that racism is simply immoral.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>FP:</p>
<p>Do you, then support the motto: &#8220;Estonia for Estonians&#8221;?  Do you feel that ethnic Russians living in Estonia should go back home to Russia if they don&#8217;t like the way Estonia treats them?</p>
<p>Some people might argue that Russia shouldn&#8217;t isolate itself from the world by proudly proclaiming racism, but rather should work towards cooperation.  The last time Russia decided to alienate the entire world and go its own way, it ended rather badly.</p>
<p>Other might argue that racism is simply immoral.</p>
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		<title>By: FP</title>
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		<dc:creator>FP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Apr 2008 05:05:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why is &quot;Russia for Russians&quot;[read slavs] bad again?

If you don&#039;t like [russian policies] don&#039;t go there. The &quot;media&quot; does not have a right to claim every country; you should be deported.

&gt;
&gt;Do you ever get the sense that [some are] stuck sometime in 1984...? That they’re hooked on a gravey train from a bunch of old fart &gt;Russophobes?
&gt;

Yes. 

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The american &quot;right&quot; is so littered with &#039;cross purposes&#039; agendas, through hijacking, it is useless as a &quot;right&quot;. It is actually dangerous to any vestigial right.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why is &#8220;Russia for Russians&#8221;[read slavs] bad again?</p>
<p>If you don&#8217;t like [russian policies] don&#8217;t go there. The &#8220;media&#8221; does not have a right to claim every country; you should be deported.</p>
<p>&gt;<br />
&gt;Do you ever get the sense that [some are] stuck sometime in 1984&#8230;? That they’re hooked on a gravey train from a bunch of old fart &gt;Russophobes?<br />
&gt;</p>
<p>Yes. </p>
<p>&#8212;&#8212;<br />
The american &#8220;right&#8221; is so littered with &#8216;cross purposes&#8217; agendas, through hijacking, it is useless as a &#8220;right&#8221;. It is actually dangerous to any vestigial right.</p>
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		<title>By: Kim Zigfeld</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/blog/ethnic-cleansing-in-russia/#comment-28908</link>
		<dc:creator>Kim Zigfeld</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Apr 2008 23:29:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>MISHA:

I think you&#039;ve not read this piece quite carefully enough.  Goble is reporting information aired on a Russian source, Echo of Moscow Radio, by Russians themselves.  His source isn&#039;t Freedom House or the CIA, and has nothing whatsoever to do with them. Understanding that, the whole point of your comment falls apart.

This post, moreover, has nothing to do with the cold war, and your attempt to change the subject clearly indicates that you know your argument in regard to the actual topic is a surefire loser.  

If you are suggesting Russia doesn&#039;t have a serious problem with racism, you&#039;re very disturbing detached from reality, and certainly offer no evidence of any kind to substantiate such a position.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MISHA:</p>
<p>I think you&#8217;ve not read this piece quite carefully enough.  Goble is reporting information aired on a Russian source, Echo of Moscow Radio, by Russians themselves.  His source isn&#8217;t Freedom House or the CIA, and has nothing whatsoever to do with them. Understanding that, the whole point of your comment falls apart.</p>
<p>This post, moreover, has nothing to do with the cold war, and your attempt to change the subject clearly indicates that you know your argument in regard to the actual topic is a surefire loser.  </p>
<p>If you are suggesting Russia doesn&#8217;t have a serious problem with racism, you&#8217;re very disturbing detached from reality, and certainly offer no evidence of any kind to substantiate such a position.</p>
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