England: It was Fun While It Lasted
To raise too much of a stink about any of this would be seen as “racist” or at least “culturally insensitive,” so while the stalwart middle grows increasingly outraged (half of Britons want to leave the country), their betters in the moneyed classes of London and even in the upper echelons of government remain unfazed. Last week the man in the street was stunned again when, thanks to the unwelcome interference of the European Court of Human Rights that keeps asserting its fictitious authority over British affairs from Strasbourg, the terrorist Abu Qatada was retained in the UK instead of being deported to Jordan as was ordered by British courts. Conservative Prime Minister David Cameron could have simply ignored the ECHR; instead, he does nothing.
Britain’s nature as a land with two sets of rules will become starkly evident in the London Olympics, whose tickets are mostly being snapped up by VIPs and the international governing class who will whiz to the games in special lanes of traffic set aside especially for them. Thousands of extra police will be on duty at the Games site — meaning the rest of the country will be short-handed. Opportunist gangs of thugs are already licking their lips at another round of what they call “free shopping” like last year’s massive looting. Some 15,000 people took part in that crime party, which an official government inquiry looked into. The Riots Communities and Victims Panel concluded that society was to blame for the widespread theft of luxury goods and wagged its finger at the “excessive marketing” that made the helpless young people desire the sneakers and cell phones in the first place.
The most determined chronicler of Britain’s decline, Mail on Sunday columnist Peter Hitchens (the older brother of the late Anglo-American writer Christopher), notes that the “criminals are victims” mentality is now a defining feature of the “injustice system.”
So what was there to celebrate on the day of England’s patron, St. George? Not much. After two generations of instruction in the evils of the Empire, England no longer does patriotism, leaving the holiday as a fringe event that has come to be associated with the hooligans. Polls show some 25 percent of Brits think St. George’s Day is racist. Naturally: who else would take pride in a great civilization? Or what used to be a great civilization. Today’s England is a place where you can be arrested on charges of racial insensitivity for singing “Kung Fu Fighting” in a bar.
Coming soon the America, if left/liberals have their way.
The big difference is we’re still armed-there was a forced disarming of the populace in Great Britain years ago-hard to believe this once great country once ruled the world huh?
A bigger difference is that England has never been a nation state in the way that the US is.
Instead, they have always been a ruling class and their subjects.
We’re still armed, but it makes just about no difference. White Americans are cowards about this kind of thing, and invariably retreat. It is only becoming worse, and that is not due to anyone else, it is due to white Americans being cowards in the face of it.
Or, this shows that austerity measures don’t work, which is what the Conservatives want. It shows that Obama was right, and you were wrong.
What flavor is the kool-aid this week?
“Surly immigrants” says it all.
It’s a new global phenomenon of people swarming into countries that they detest.
I work a fairly crappy job (who’d'a thunk that being an actor and writer doesn’t pay?) and I work with a lot of immigrants. When I started the job (about 20 years ago) the immigrants were delighted to be in America. They said the name “America” with a huge smile. Now it’s a whole different crop, and they have nothing good to say. “I’m here to go to school, but it’s a racist country.” “It’s an evil imperialistic power.” “Islam will conquer it and crush democracy.” Doesn’t matter what continent they’re from; they hate us. Hate. Lots of hate.
It’s sickening.
And there is no defense, no counter message from our “elites”, who indeed by their acquiescence seem to agree. When the history of America is finally written, it will conclude that the idea of America died first among its intelligentsia, those learned luminaries in the press and the academy whose exquisite sensitivities are more and more repelled by their own culture and who seem to have lost appreciation for what made us different, and if I may say so, better than most foreign cultures.
You mentioned that the intelligentsia hates America. My favorite guru, Eric Hoffer, noted in the sixties that the intellectuals hated America because this country stands as proof that they are unnecessary for human progress. Furthermore this is one of the few countries in which they are denied power (at least until 2008).
Excellent point as well. Top down planning employs lots of credentialed people and generates lots of consulting work for academics. They can’t be indifferent to that prospect.
In retrospect, it seems that the elites would benefit in so many ways from a much larger government role it’s just about a miracle that we have come as far from 1776 as we have without a European-style socialist government already in place.
Pull you head out of the sand, we DO have a European style socialist government in place.
“When the history of America is finally written, it will conclude that…”
What it’ll conclude depends on who’s going to write the history. It’s not just the American intelligentsia that hate America, but Western intelligentsia that hate the West. If Western civ is destroyed it won’t be Westerners that’ll write the history, so who will and from what point of view?
“When the history of America is finally written, it will conclude that…”
For better, or worse, history is written and re-written by the ‘winners still in power’. Please note that the number of re-writes is unlimited!
Right on. The great economist, Joseph Schumpeter, described the process by which capitalism destroys itself. It (capitalism)so successfully creates a prosperous society that its very wealth permits the formation of a non-wealth producing element (academics, actors, press, “intellectuals,” etc.) who hate the system that makes their existence possible. Those who are unable to function in the capitalist system are shunted into the non-producing class made possible by the excess wealth of the capitalist system. The entrepreneurial class loses confidence in itself. A pessimistic view.
What they know is what the state-run media tell them. You might suggest that they turn OFF the TV, and not only them but everyone in the US.
Turn off the damn television set.
Nail meets hammer. You hit it on the head Darcy. I turned my TV off over twenty years ago when it dawned on me that virtually everything on fit into category ‘trash’ or ‘propaganda’. Usually both at once. My wife think I’m nuts because I’m not ‘into’ House, American Idol and Dancing With Stars. One of us is nuts.
Television is very much a drug and more people are addicted to it than to cocaine, heroin, meth and alcohol combined. It was portrayed prophetically by Aldous Huxley in “Brave New World” way back in 1931. He could not have known how right he would be.
Britain and the West in general are like lemmings being led over the cliff by the politically correct morons who control media and the useful idiots who eagerly allow themselves to be indoctrinated.
““It’s an evil imperialistic power.”
Hmm, I wonder why people from other countries would think that….
Even warhawk Gingrich recently said being in countries like Afghanistan is probably counterproductive.
I hate to see it. I lived in London from 1997 to 2001 and the writing on the wall was scarcely in its early stencil stages. I have decent, hard work, middle class conservative friends there, but many I met had nothing but contempt for all things America. Even though each night on the news, vandals were seen on the ever expanding numbers of surveillance cameras doing damage to city property like buses. And even though burglaries that involved brutal assaults on the occupants were also regular features on the nightly news, the average Londoner lived in utter denial of their crime rates, oblivious that their murder rate wasn’t too far removed from the lawless America, as they liked to perceive us.
Islam was making its slow encroachment, but this was before 9-11, so nobody gave it much of a thought, including me. A few attacks by Somali expatriates against white victims here in New Hampshire, with clearly racial intent, has convinced me that deportation en masse of these low-lives from turd world countries is the absolute necessary first step in reclaiming a land of law and order. As long as ours (and their) courts are packed with ideolog leftist however, you can be sure however that multicultralism, i.e. anything but white, will be the order of the day.
I never believed it could get so bad as to have someone go to jail for crimethink tweeting. Mr. Orwell, you are needed in room 101.
The oblivious attitude to bulgary I encountered living in London 2008-10 was absolute denial as a mass phenomenon. Guilt & Marxism have triumphed! Kyle’s post is spot on. It has to be experienced to be believed. Most important is that Americans learn and start the fight back in vigourous form. Give to true conservative candidates (Club for Growth or Senate Conservative Fund) & do not allow despair to stop you. We have a Tea Party; poor England has nothing except leaving the country.
I see somebody’s still trying to peddle that “not used to alchohol” nonsense.
That wasn’t the reason for the light sentences. It wasn’t even something raised by the judge. It was an attempt at a mitigating defense by one of the perps’ attorneys, and irrelevant to the final judgement. The reason for the light sentences is that the fight didn’t quite go the way the tabloids claimed. To use the judge’s own (understated) words:
He said he accepted the women may have felt they were the victims of unreasonable force from the victim’s partner.
And please stop believing “PC gone mad stories” from the UK. They love those stories, because they help the publishers sell newspapers. But they’re nearly always a load of bunk. If you read something from the UK that’s just TOO left-wing or PC or whatever to be true … that’s because it probably isn’t.
This one’s particularly pernicious because there’s only one news report that was written by a reporter who actually had any first-hand knowledge of the case (at the Leicester Mercury), and that report was then misquoted by pretty much everyone else.
Here’s somewhere you can start: http://fullfact.org/factcheck/Muslim_women_spared_jail_for_attack_because_not_used_to_drinking-3179
Blaming the victim or in this case the victim’s boyfriend does not exactly give credibility to your argument. And it is definitely lacking in credibility. The fact that you’re more upset about the “distortion” than the attack itself and the underlying racism that led to it speaks volumes about you. The only question is: Are you one of the people who actively promote out-of-control PC in England? Or are you simply a useful idiot enabler whose passive-aggressive response to incidents like this only embolden the perpetrators of these kinds of crimes? The fact of the matter is that if the Rhea Page had been a Somali Muslim who was attacked by four drunken “white” women who then were basically let off the hook for a reason that nobody, including the judge, seems to be very clear about, the outrage would be monumental. The thinking is definitely flawed and the system isn’t much better. There isn’t even a written transcript of the judge’s ruling. WTF? So this fact checking outfit has to go with some weird word-of-mouth version of it. The whole thing is pathetic. But let’s not forget that there is video evidence of it and the bottom line is that a woman was viciously attacked for no apparent reason except that she was white and the attackers were not. Apparently, it’s only when the victims are white and the perpetrators are non-white that the details become conveniently fuzzy. Fuzzy enough for goofs like you to mitigate on behalf of the perpetrators. But if the colors were reversed and the judge’s ruling was the same then there would be riots in the streets and I suspect that you would be okay with that. And this is exactly the point of the article.
Blaming the victim or in this case the victim’s boyfriend does not exactly give credibility to your argument.
I didn’t, the judge did. Or, rather, he didn’t BLAME the victim’s boyfriend, but he apparently took into account the boyfriend’s own behavior when sentencing the the attackers. Try to remember they were actually found guilty, and do actually have a criminal record as a result. They just didn’t go to jail, effectively going straight to parole. The judge actually said that in normal circumstances he WOULD have sent them to prison.
The fact that you’re more upset about the “distortion” than the attack itself and the underlying racism that led to it speaks volumes about you.
I didn’t say anything about the attack itself, so how can you judge what I think about it?
The only question is: Are you one of the people who actively promote out-of-control PC in England?
No. But, then, I’ve debunked enough “PC-gone-mad” stories to have serious doubts that PC is “out of control” at all. Like I said – check the facts behind enough of these stories and you start to realise that they’re an art form. They’re designed to outrage the credulous.
Or are you simply a useful idiot enabler whose passive-aggressive response to incidents like this only embolden the perpetrators of these kinds of crimes?
Gosh – no third option? Your questioning strategy is BRILLIANT! Aaarg – can’t escape brilliant question-trap – aarg – *head explodes*
The fact of the matter is that if the Rhea Page … reason that nobody, including the judge, seems to be very clear about, the outrage would be monumental.
In that case you’d never even hear about it. If the papers had decided to stick to the facts, you never would have heard about this one either. Without the “muslims walked free because they’re not used to alcohol”, there’s no “hook” to this story.
The thinking is definitely flawed and the system isn’t much better. There isn’t even a written transcript of the judge’s ruling. WTF? So this fact checking outfit has to go with some weird word-of-mouth version of it.
They can go by the fact that the leicestershire article was written first, it was the only on written by a journalist who was actually present at the court, it contains important details missing from the other reports and every other report is a blatant misrepresentation.
The whole thing is pathetic. But let’s not forget that there is video evidence of it
Have you seen an unedited version of that video?
and the bottom line is that a woman was viciously attacked for no apparent reason except that she was white and the attackers were not.
So, you have no access to the original evidence, you believe distorted reports, and you’re assuming a motive.
Apparently, it’s only when the victims are white … Fuzzy enough for goofs like you to mitigate on behalf of the perpetrators.
What have I “mitigated”? Pointing out that the most-reported claim about a case is false is “mitigating”? Do you own a dictionary?
But if the colors were reversed and the judge’s ruling was the same … And this is exactly the point of the article.
Do you have any examples of similar circumstances (with the roles reversed, obviously) that you can point to, so that we can check this hypothetical?
“Do you have any examples of similar circumstances (with the roles reversed, obviously) that you can point to, so that we can check this hypothetical?”
Don’t need to – the article pointed out some lame-brain went to jail longer than the assault perps merely for saying something stupid on a tweet. No violence involve – nor even a call to violence. Just words…..
“Don’t need to – the article pointed out some lame-brain went to jail longer than the assault perps merely for saying something stupid on a tweet. No violence involve – nor even a call to violence. Just words…..”
I’m not sure how that’s exactly supporting the claim being made, that there would be “outrage” if white attackers walked free after attacking a black girl in the UK. Instead you refer to a completely different case. What’s it supposed to prove? That white people can be arrested? Wah?!?
In seriousness, though, I agree that the liam stacey case is ridiculous. You’re right, they were just words. People say dumb things, and say more of them when they’re drunk, and it appears that they’re VERY likely to use twitter to do it. Various groups seem to be very keen to crucify that kid so they can show the world their own awesomeness, and I think it’s a big mistake.
The problem with things like facebook and twitter is that they essentially let every half-wit over the age of two to self-publish. And a lot of people don’t have the experience or perspective to go with that sort of responsibility.
But this guy’s just a case where somebody should have deleted the twits, he should have apologised, let the storm blow over and then everyone could go back to whinging about the weather. It really was that insubstantial. Jail time for that is absurd, let alone follow-up attempts to destroy the guy’s life by going after his education. That’s really not necessary.
Now … you probably need to have a bit of a google, because you’ll discover that there’s a fair bit of outrage on all sides over that case. Yes, there are quite a few people agreeing with the decision, but not everyone is. I think this case will be interesting to watch, because it’s a black-and-white application of the law that has delivered out-of-proportion punishment for a fairly insubstantial crime. I’ll be surprised if there isn’t a correction.
I’ve watched the full video of that attack. The boyfriend did hardly anything; he was obviously quite drunk himself and incapable of doing to those slags what he should rightly have done if he were sober. Don’t drink and walk, chaps!
That said, I agree that the papers use these stories to gin up circulation.
But be careful not to conflate the attitudes of the left with those of the rest of the country. Cultural Marxism is the culprit; the sooner it is dealt with the sooner England will recover – and it will. The signs are already there if you look for them.
Even 20 years ago when I lived in the UK, judges there commonly punished very violent offenders with just a slap on the wrist.
I I have many good honest decent hard-working middle-class friends in Britain and it pains me to see what they are being put through.
Brett.
You state “Cultural Marxism is the culprit; the sooner it is dealt with the sooner England will recover – and it will. The signs are already there if you look for them.”
Author Smith accurately makes these points (which IMHO also applies to America)…
“……the governing-media-celebrity class of the well-shod who insulate themselves from everyone else and thus don’t care what is going on.”
“Nearly every week adds another horrifying chapter to a tale of a land unable and unwilling to defend its values from the simultaneous left-wing onslaught of political correctness and the right-wing non-response of hand-wringing embarrassment.”
My question to you is simply what are these “signs” and where does one look?
It has certainly been a long time in coming. With Lady Thatcher’s government I thought perhaps we were seeing a return to common sense across the pond, but alas it now seems to have been only a momentary rally. The forces of the left are quite adept at entrenching themselves not just in government but in all of a society’s institutions and it takes more than an election or two or three to dislodge them. Here’s hoping you are correct.
And we have some work to do here as well, come November.
Lady Thatcher did much to dismantle the thug unions of her day. Unfortunately the British press crucified her for it – much like the non-stop drumbeat the leftists pulled on Reagan during his term.
To this day the Brits have a negative opinion of Lady Thatcher – most of whom weren’t even born yet. Which means they are teaching it in the schools. The schools is also where the Brits history has been dismantled. None of their children know of Churchill, Nelson or Trafalgar. None!
Good point about Reagan, Thather and the media, lolly. I remember the ’80s well. Its disgusting how some of the American media and leftist politicians are trying to claim some of the mantle of Reagan today. The same people, such as Obama, were viciously outspoken against Reagan during his presidency. And I remember how so much of the British media and political class including some “Conservatives,” did the same thing against Thatcher. Funny how they haven’t been so outspoken about the destruction of Britain from Multiculturalism.
We are being run by scoundrels on both sides of the Atlantic.
Liar. The story was in several British papers including the Daily Mail and the Telegraph. But thanks for the textbook example of how this BS works. You can slither back into the dark, damp crevice you wiggled out of.
Liar. The story was in several British papers including the Daily Mail and the Telegraph.
Yes, it was. And on just about every angry-person blog in the UK.
And they were all wrong. The “not used to alcohol” defence had nothing to do with the verdict or the sentence. In the original (and accurate) report, it was reported that a defence lawyer had attempted to claim that as a mitigating circumstance. Not the judge. Some papers took that and rephrased it as “perps walk free AFTER being told they’re not used to be being drunk”, which makes it appear that the excuse is somehow relevant without actually outright lying (“after” doesn’t mean “because”, remember). Then that was picked up and reported as “perps walk free BECAUSE they’re not used to being drunk”, which is just flat-out not true. And THAT’S the version which is still in circulation in the angry-blog-o-sphere. It’s a myth.
“…unreasonable force exerted by the victim’s boyfriend on to the attackers.” ??? Oh yes, this is England, where victims are expected to submit to any and all indignities without any attempt at self defense.
Techno, I have a SERIOUS problem with the judge’s excuse of the Muslim women’s “reason” for their unprovoked attack on that innocent white woman.
“He said he accepted the women may have felt they were the victims of unreasonable force from the victim’s partner.”
How is ONE man’s defending his girlfriend against an unprovoked violent attack by FOUR Muslim women “unreasonable force”????????????
The judge apparently failed to acknowledge that the “victim’s partner” was trying to DEFEND her. All defense occurs AFTER attacks begin, so it’s IMPOSSIBLE to claiim that a defender’s behavior caused an attack!
I submit to you, Techno, that the judge in that case must have been intoxicated himself, to have come up with such a lame excuse for his leniency upon those violent women.
That judge’s “reasoning” was so UNreasonable, he’d be subject to “judicial review” here and probably fired from the bench for his lack of reasonable judgement.
Paul and Catherine …
None of us were in that courtroom. None of us has access to the evidence that the judge had access to. If there has been an appeal, it hasn’t been reported anywhere.
I’m not going to say that the sentence was too light or that somebody else should have been charged or anything at all about the sentence, because I Wasn’t There. I don’t think anyone here has enough information to retry the case. Speculation about who did what to whom is pointless without access to the evidence.
My beef is with the claim that the attackers were allowed to walk because they weren’t used to the effects of alcohol. That’s a load of bunk. It’s not true. The one first-hand report of the case actually DOES tell us (at least some of) the judge’s reasoning for why they were given suspended sentences, and all I can do is repeat it (which is more than the british tabloids could be bothered doing). I can’t say it’s fair or unfair, because I don’t have access to all of the evidence, whereas the judge (presumably) did.
My original point still stands – the “not used to alcohol” was a beat-up. If you want to move the goalposts and attack the sentence some other way, that’s fine. If you want to start with the assumption that the judge must be an idiot because he didn’t come to the same conclusion that you do, that’s fine too (I suspect they’re used to it) but again, try to remember, he actually had access to the facts, and had the ability to ask questions, whereas you don’t.
But of course it makes pefect sense. When a group of women feel threatedned by a man, they stomp the crap out of his girlfriend. Perfectly logical really.
Fools will be surprised as politicians feign it, when tens of thousands of Olympic “visitors” decide it’s easier to live off the Welfare State than return home where their choices are to work or starve.
Ah yes, the God-given, unalienable right not to be offended. Truly sad and pathetic. The barbarians would be at the gate, but we took the gate down because it was just too offensive.
You can transport and replay those sentiments at any ranch along the Tex-Mex, New/Old Mex and Arizona-Mexicana border. Just to start a casual conversation of course.
Half of British people have been wanting to leave Britain for at least 20 years. They never seem to get a move on. If and when they will, house prices will fall so far that they’ll regret waiting.
A lot of them have left – but they go to Canada and Australia which still lets white people in.
And which are not far behind Britain in kowtowing to this garbage. Both have seen a little reprieve lately, but I think that’s a temporary reversal of the long slide down to either anarchy or totalitarianism.
As long as the populace loves big government (i.e., “free” medical), they will continue this slide.
“London is splitting into a land of surly immigrants and the governing-media-celebrity class of the well-shod who insulate themselves from everyone else and thus don’t care what is going on. The working and middle class have been left to their own devices as they contend with absurd levels of taxation, decaying schools, horrific crime, and cultural devaluation.”
That’s Los Angeles.
I’m English, and this article has a lot of truth in it, but don’t write us all off just yet.
The Liam Stacey sentence received a lot of condemnation in the press and online.
The case of the Somalian gang was also widely condemned.
Our flag is racist? I’d like to see who produced that survey, who and what they asked and where those people lived.
What we are lacking are great leaders. The vast majority of us (according to a recent poll) would vote for a right wing party if one existed.
Our “democratic” system does not produce a Parliament that is representative of majority views.
The liberal minority have managed to take power in all of our institutions from the judiciary to the BBC. It is very difficult to remove them, but we must.
The tide is turning. There is a lot of anger here.
Just give it time….
I agree. On my most recent visit to the UK, last year, I was pleased to see many St George’s flags hanging from windows – something I had not seen at all on previous visits, several years earlier.
As the English historian Andrew Roberts noted, the Anglo-American civilisation (in which I include my country, Australia) has never lost territory in a war (except for some tiny islands off the French coast), and although they almost always lose the first battle (from surprise attacks etc) they invariably win the war. There are good reasons why that was the case, and why it still is.
“… the Anglo-American civilisation (in which I include my country, Australia) has never lost territory in a war …”
Really? The American colonies and the Irish Free State were substantial chunks of territory which left Mother England after a certain amount of strife. One could make the historian’s assertion true by playing games with definitions about “lost” & “territory” & “war” — but then one would be lying to oneself.
But neither were lost to the Anglo-American civilization, and even the Channel Islands don’t today speak German or French, though American is increasing becoming a land that speaks Spanish and Ebonics.
Paying attention to your qualifiers, here is a short chronological list of territory lost to Anglo-American civilisation in a war:-
- Calais;
- Minorca;
- Buenos Aires (but only if we agree that it was obtained in the first place);
- Afghanistan (in the First Afghan War, though a much more limited control was regained in the Second Afghan War);
- the Boer Republics (in the First Boer War, though those were regained in the Second Boer War);
- British Somaliland (though that was regained later in the Second World War);
- Burma (in that effective control was not re-established after 1945).
I am not sure whether to count Swaziland and the Gun War, as arguably that wasn’t fought to throw off British control but to prevent it in the first place (on the other hand, I think the Boer case does fall just inside that test). While you can argue about the others, the first two are definite.
As an Anglophile myself, I surely hope so. If you can turn it around, perhaps we can as well.
‘Just give it time’. No, you’ve had all the time you deserve or will get.
This is a fine article. As someone who has visited the UK regularly over the last thirty years, and worked there nearly a third of the time, I’d say it’s politely understated. The level of abject surrender palpable in Britain anywhere north of, say, Doncaster or the Trent river is very hard to capture in words; you really have to see it and live it to understand. That would include time in a north-eastern ‘sink estate’ (the equivalent of Sec. 8 housing), where unemployment is now in the third generation; and regular Friday night visits to any of a hundred downtowns to watch underdressed, overweight, demoralized young women vomit in the gutter or the bus shelter, week after week. The culture of the damned — not much of an overstatement — revolves around the next gov’t check. Britain is a country where complete losers have claimed, and been paid, ‘job-seeker’s allowance’ every week without fail since 1978; now, they’re ready for social security. And it is a country where 14-yr-old girls are today ‘working’ on their fourth child to get to the top of the list for free housing and much else. Gov’t collectively shrugs and shuffles away. That especially includes poseurs like Cameron and the legions of enablers and fuzzy leftists of the BBC/Guardian axis. None know or do reality.
As for: Peter Hitchens… notes that the “criminals are victims” mentality is now a defining feature of the “injustice system.”
Yes, he’s one of the good guys and not uncommon, fortunately. Unfortunately, he and his kind talk a lot but rarely do much. A thread on this site a week or so ago bemoaned the modern failure of our universities in the US to teach ‘the canon’. The reasons are well known and lousy, but the effects and cost are not. If you’d read the canon you would likely know that over a century ago Samuel Butler wrote at length about today’s inverted societies, where crime is a disease and disease a crime. We haven’t yet reached the stage where pulmonary consumption is a capital offense, but Obamacare’s death panels and bureaucratic ‘legislators’ will get us there eventually. As for abject social failure, well, a slew of great British writers from Dickens to Orwell have traced the roots of modern Britain’s present misery in detail. No wonder our elites want to keep the books slammed shut.
For the UK, it’s likely too late. Here in the US, it is time to draw the line and, soon, the shooting will start. Would someone explain why we should take prisoners?
You say, “Just give it time …”
Time may not be on your side: “You may delay but Time will not.” Ben Franklin
Simone, good thoughts. On the “flag is racist” issue, we here in the U.S. are used to charges of racism being hurled at just about everything. I’m sure English lefties will point to the colonial days to support their charges of racism regarding the flag.
But that’s just it – we are USED to being called racists. So much so that it no longer means anything anymore. THEY were a completely white country and their leftists brought in the color to use as a weapon to destroy their society from the inside out. Those people had no defense against being called racists when they complained about the non-aaimilation of the immigrants.
But one of their greatest mistakes was to make those people from their former colonies citizens. Now they have super-citizens who can do no wrong (including murder) and native children that can do no right. It’s very sad to watch.
lolly, I totally agree. And it isn’t limited to England – look at France, Germany, and Scandinavia. Sarkozy tries to get some control over immigration and he is called racist. Scandinavia is having great difficulty dealing with Muslim immigrants but any criticism of Islam is considered hate speech. In Germany, there is growing recognition that multiculturalism is a failure, but such comments are also considered racist. Its a bit of fun watching Europeans, who have been so critical of the U.S., struggle with these issues.
I really liked this sentence of yours:
“Its a bit of fun watching Europeans, who have been so critical of the U.S., struggle with these issues.”
But I doubt their smugness and hauteur will be dented very noticeably. They’ve brought this on themselves.
Our task as Americans, right now, is to take these malignant lessons we’re witnessing across the Atlantic to heart and get rid of our current “politically correct” administration this next election cycle in November. …..As a start….
There IS a NEW party in Britain, and they need all the help they can get! http://britishfreedom.org/ “Britain is being drawn further into a federalist EU, Immigration is out of control, our troops are dying in illegal wars and our culture is under constant attack by the purveyors of cultural Marxism. Please join us today.”
As membership is also open to people in other countries, I became a member yesterday! It is a WONDERFUL party! I listened to Paul Weston’s speech, the Chairman of the Party when he came to New York City in March. Please give this information to your e-mail lists. We are all in this together. Global jihad targets every non-Muslim and our leaders are deliberately colonizing our countries with many millions of Islam’s foot soldiers, with future terrible consequences.
20 Point Plan
1. Introduce a US style First Amendment guaranteeing Free Speech.
2. Leave the profoundly undemocratic European Union.
3. Abolish the Human Rights Act, which benefits only foreign criminals/ terrorists.
4. Halt any further non-Western immigration for a period of five years.
5. Deport foreign criminals, seditious dual nationality Islamists and illegal immigrants.
6. Abolish all multicultural and equality quangos.
7. Halt and turn back all aspects of the Islamisation of Britain, including Sharia finance.
8. Drastically reduce crime – criminals should fear the consequences of their behaviour.
9. Repair the damage wreaked by the progressive educational establishment.
10. Promote British values and assimilation, rather than multiculturalism and division.
11. Rebuild Britain’s Armed Forces to 1980 levels.
12. Diminish the public sector and government interference in the private sector.
13. Withdraw troops from all areas where we are not directly threatened.
14. Cancel foreign aid to countries which do not deserve or need it.
15. End welfare payments to immigrants; they must pay for their housing and children.
16. Ensure no elderly person lives in fear, and can afford both heat and food in the winter.
17. Abolish destructive Political Correctness, promote Common Sense.
18. Promote morality, marriage, the family, the community and the nation state.
19. Allow pubs the freedom of operating as smoking or non-smoking establishments.
20. Live by Christianity’s Golden Rule: “Do unto others as thou wouldst be done by.”
You’re batting a thousand as far as I’m concerned. Amazing how suicidal our country here has become when you read that list of plain, common sense.
“Global jihad targets every non-Muslim and our leaders are deliberately colonizing our countries with many millions of Islam’s foot soldiers, with future terrible consequences.”
Yes – I’ve been seeing this for many years – even accelerated post 911, Madrid, Bali and 7/7. All party’s in all western countries (whether left or right) are complicit. There is no valid reason to bring all those people to these countries unless it’s with the express intention of destroying them.
When these people reach a certain critical mass they cause nothing but crime, pain and suffering of the natives. They kill, maime and destroy lives. They’re there to cause discord and strife. It’s truly evil when you think about it.
See what I mean?
Even this supposedly pro-liberty party takes it for granted that it is The Government’s responsiblity to take care of personal matters.
If this is the best England can do, give up now.
On the contrary, you yourself have bought into the same fallacy leftists push, that if the government doesn’t do it it won’t happen and that wanting the result means asking the government to do it. But wanting all those people to be able to afford those things really means getting the system off their backs through a transition that restores their personal independence. He isn’t guilty of wanting state support, you are guilty of thinking that’s the only game in town.
In a socialist state, where the nearly universal paradigm is that it is government’s job to care for every individual’s need, any political party which proposes to “ensure” anything had better spell out HOW they mean to “ensure” it, or it is reasonable to assume they intend to “ensure” it via continued government programs.
How are they different/better than UKIP?
I understand that at least up until now, the UKIP have demonstrated no concern whatsoever regarding the massive Muslim colonization of Britain. No problem in Britain is greater than the huge Muslim colonization of Britain.
Please excuse my error! IMPORTANT CORRECTION to British Freedom Party membership. Membership is ONLY open to British citizens, which also INCLUDES British citizens who live in other countries.
However, if you like, you can make a donation if you support the goals of British Freedom.
Ah, the latest “rightwing, extremist party” as you will no doubt be labelled on the BBC, Question Time, The Grauniad, etc, etc. How do I join?
You just diagnosed one of England’s worst problems: people who don’t like what’s happening appear to be sitting on their thumbs, waiting for the right leaders. By & large, Americans have had no better luck than you w/r/t “great leaders.” But it’s not in our DNA to farm everything important out to them.
When things are dire and no “great leaders” have shown their faces, it’s time to become great CITIZENS–extremely noisy, ruthless, and terrifying to one’s current leaders.
Bingo!
Simone, there is a new party in Britain, and it is like Geert Wilders Freedom Party. It is Britain’s last great hope.
http://britishfreedom.org/
I wish you well, Simone, but I’m not going to bet any money on you. Your people have been tamed.
As long as the phrase, “The government ought to DO something about it!” can be uttered without being met with withering scorn, there is no hope for you.
“What we are lacking are great leaders.”
We all think we’re lacking great leaders — because there is a cursus honorem now in every Western nation, and the price of entry is being steeped in the “education” and professional wickets deemed proper by the elite. Those who can’t come up with that price are endlessly denigrated by the media, and shunned by the other brokers of public leadership. (Cf. Sarah Palin in the US.)
The people have to change. Until we become willing to ignore the media and award political victory to people of character, as opposed to people of credentials, there is nothing anyone else can do to help us.
It appears to this Canadian observer that the only political party left that stands up for Britain is the BNP.
That is unfortunate considering the past history of the leader Nick Griffin,but unless Britain wakes up soon and comes up with a real Conservative alternative it looks like Griffin and his group may be the only alternative to an Islamic takeover, or a civil war.
I was in my local lawn mower repair shop the other day and discovered delightfully that the owner and his entire family were English transplants. What beautiful and delightful people. I was telling the wife about my recent heart problems and how it only took a few hours to get a heart cath and found to my amazement that one of the many reasons she and her husband loaded up the entire clan and immigrated to the US was that her father had died waiting for a heart cath under the National Health Service. In the nine months waiting for a slot, her father died. That, acording to this beautiful soul, was the last straw. They sold out and moved the entire family, lock, stock, and barrel… starting a new business and a new life. Jolly old England is apparently not so jolly any more. I wish these brave pioneers the very best in their new home, that is if the despised Emperior Obama and his Queen doesn’t destroy every last shred of out freedoms. This truly is the last bastion of hope in this cruddy world.
I, too, know some people from England who came to the US for medical care they couldn’t get in England, at least not in a timely and life-saving manner. I also knew someone who died on the wait list. It amazes me that people in the US don’t understand that this is what lies ahead for us with Obamacare. All they here is “free” and they think it really will be, and unlimited. As it seems in England, the immigration issue is all about bringing in a demographic that will vote for the liberals, at least until the demographic can put in its own candidates and replace the natives who used them. Then you can bet those politicians will flee the country leaving the rest behind to deal with what the politicians have wrought.
In England, you say? Hmmm. Until I re-read your post I thought you were writing about the good ol’ US of A.
This says it all:
What do immigrants do on their holiday?
Ask one: “Hey…what are you doing on your vacation?”…
“I go back to ‘my country’”
This royal throne of kings, this sceptred isle,
This earth of majesty, this seat of Mars,
This other Eden, demi-paradise,
This fortress built by Nature for herself
Against infection and the hand of war,
This happy breed of men, this little world,
This precious stone set in the silver sea,
Which serves it in the office of a wall
Or as a moat defensive to a house,
Against the envy of less happier lands,–
This blessed plot, this earth, this realm, this England, is now for sale.
Just call 1-800-royalty and ask for the “Queen mother” to book your final tour of this center of a once mighty empire. See it now, before it’s fully taken over by Pakistanis, Asians, and refugees from just about every country in Africa, from Somalia to Nigeria.
But try not to come during the summer months, because the gang violence and the riots are very bad during that time of year. Oh and all those pesky palaces you wanted to see? Well, I’m sorry, but they were all turned into public housing. So unless you’re on welfare, you can’t get into one of them. Oh, and England’s famous museums? Sorry, but they’ve all been torn down because they hurt certain people’s feelings because they reminded the other British people that, at one time, England did have an empire and was a world power (something we’re not allowed to talk about today).
But you’ll get to see a lot of shows all over England, because the government now fully supports all gay, lesbian, and trangendered individuals in the “arts” to the fullest extent, and what better vehicles to do that than to put on lots of government-financed shows, especially the new hit in London about the life of Judy Garland. Oh, and do remember to bring your own candles. England has now gone “green” and has banned all electricity. Ignore the smell, too, because all cars are powered by animal and human waste. Mind your speech, though, because any “inflamitory” comments, such as “I love to eat fish,” could land you in jail from the animal right’s council.
So come and enjoy what’s left of England, which is populated by a bunch of surly, ungrateful, frustrated, drunken, and unemployed soccer fans waiting for their next welfare check. I’m sure you’ll have a wonderful time.
Sad to see for an old anglophile like me. (Wait for the music to start.)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5yaxVYNGaUU&feature=related
See also C.S. Lewis’ The Screwtape Letters and the “Perelandra” trilogy. Looks like Belbury may have won after all (wait a minute: there really is a N.I.C.E.!).
Look at out own Attorney General Eric “don’t hold em”
The New Black Panthers – kick em loose
Following up on the Muslim Brotherhood in Dallas – kick em loose
Fast and Furious – nothing to see here
They have foot baths on the U of M campus but god forbid you put up a nativity scene in Ann Arbor. The ACLU will not rest until we look like pre WW2 Germany
Special interest groups as defined by race, religion gender or sex are the new terrorist groups to the United States
THere is still time to keep this from happening to our own country. We’ll have noone but ourselves to blame if it does.
Brits aren’t indigenous people and so have no moral or ethical claims to their own land. For that, you have to be indigenous-indigenous. Once again the Left’s political correctness is not simply hypocritical, because that could be combated, but delusional.
Extrapolate what’s happening in the UK out 200 years and it’s clear it’s a science-fiction story with a grim plot. Wholesale immigration into the West is an incredibly destructive act.
The consequences of the belief that “everyone is equal, every culture is the same.”
The answer: science-fiction.
“America do North was fading, Europa was fading. They had allowed themselves to be overwhelmed when the self-confidence and resolve that had created them in the first place began to fade. In theory, everybody became everything, interchangeable parts – failure and success were redefined to suit this new notion. Theory met reality and reality won – the bright experiment became social engineering and failed.”
And when it’s complete, or perhaps even before, “West” will simply be a direction.
Hey, when it comes to indigenous peoples, one can Pict and choose.
Forgive me. I mess around with cheap jokes because the alternatives are either spitting rage or tears of despair. We are watching whole nations choose death over life, evil over good, before our eyes. Civilizations built with sweat and genius are giving way to brutal tribalisms overlaid with a thin veneer of slogans and consumer electronics.
A reading recommendation: Dennis Prager’s brand-new book, “Still the Best Hope: Why the World Needs American Values to Triumph,” dissects our situation better than any other single source. He sees three “religions” fighting over the world: American values, radical Islam, and Leftism. Two have made expedient common cause against the third…
You must be science-fiction readers:
“HISTORY OF THE COLLAPSE by Warner Walden.
Despite the advances of humankind in recent centuries, entire continents remained essentially medieval cultures with a thin smear of technology spread over them like delicious jam spread over bread gone hard and moldy. The ability to hold a piece of clever, miniature tech with an opposable thumb carries with it no more guarantee of an ascent of human dignity or wisdom that placing a hard copy of Aristotle in the paws of a Zonian tribesman. Many, too many as it turned out, fervently believed otherwise, and so a tipping point was reached, and like a sundew, reality asserted itself. And so those hoardes once tamed by the North headed North and enforced their own organic form of philosophy: the insistence and blind resolve of sheer numbers and sheer desire and the North was thrown down.”
I know I certainly am.
The quote is quite apocalyptic – and spot-on.
Perhaps our epitath will be, “died as a nation due to arrogant social engineers with no concept of the consequences of their actions.”
No one knows who the truly “indigenous” people are. Over the thousands of years humans have existed, groups of them have moved from continent to continent innumerable times. Even the so-called “Native Americans” of North America were not indigenous; they came here over the Bering Strait crossing. Recently, new archaeological findings indicate that Europeans may actually have been here before them. So, as far as we know, NO group of people have any final claim to any land. To me, that means what’s mine is mine and I’ll fight for it, just as the Brits need to do. Otherwise, they need to come here and stand with us against the horde of primitives who stole their country and intend to do the same to us.
The British created that country. Through Magna Cartas, civil war, brightness and blood shed. The innovations of the 18th and 19th century were unbelievably brilliant.
Then, when peace had finally arrived and the house set in order and made nice, re-designed to suit, outsider’s came in and laid a claim they have no moral or ethical right to. They do not come as thankful guests, but as insistent complainers who call the Brits racists. Were I king, one that didn’t hate himself and have a suicide complex, I wouldn’t let a single immigrant into that land, least among them Muslims. They don’t add to the table with the conspicuous results of this worshiped diversity, but take away. Diversity is nonsense.
There is reality and there is that monstrous form of politeness called political correctness. There is history and there is unreality. The British created time-keeping at sea. No one held something in front of them and said ‘Now do this.’
Even with things held in front of them that say, ‘Now do this,’ there is not the slightest sign that political correctness is anything over than complete bunk, and diversity, in fact a narrowing of diversity.
What cultures in history were more diverse than the Europeans and Americans? Who? If I want some piece of culture from the world, I’ll study it or go visit it – I don’t need the whole damn thing plopped into my front yard.
Oh, dear. There goes my preferred term for “native Americans”. I’ve been proposing a more accurate term for years now (well, about three decades), and now it appears it may not be accurate at all.
Still, it has value in tweaking the noses of the politically correct.
Oh, the term I prefer? “First immigrants.”
Bother. Forgot to put my name on that one.
200 years?
Try 50, at the outside.
So Lesser Britan is falling apar? It’s an opportunity for us to get some engineers and doctors. Let ‘em keep their lawyers and race hustlers, we have plenty of those.
Keep in mind that it’s the local versions of Red Ken Livingstone & Co. who run the U.S. government right now. And thus will be deciding who gets to go to the front of the line for entry visas. They will favor their “soulmates”- count on it.
The lawyers and hustlers will be the first ones here. Remember, like The One and his minions, they are on a Holy Mission To Remake The World. In all of this lot’s minds, engineers and doctors are strictly “the help”, and are only needed, or wanted, to keep their McMansions, limos, and bodies going.
The Ruling Class knows what it wants, and means to get it. Everywhere. They’re about finished with “Cool Brittania”, and we’re next.
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This is already happening here. We simply cannot allow it. I don’t care what anyone calls me, I’m not going to play nice about this. I’m writing it and saying it out loud: Western culture is superior to any muslim culture, more evolved, more HUMAN as humans should aspire to be. We cannot allow ourselves to be dragged backward into devolution because we’re afraid of being called names by foolish Americans who believe that speaking softly to the beast will keep it from devouring them. We don’t need to meet muslim immigrants half-way, or even part-way. They need to climb up out of the primordial slime in which they wallow and join us as fully-realized, civilized human beings. If they are unwilling and/or unable, then they need to get out.
i thought i met a moderate Muslim once, I was wrong…let’s invite them ALL to leave…that is a tax increase alot of us would agree with.
Worked with a muslim in the 90s who appeared to be totally assimulated.
American wife, electrical engineering degree from a US university, claimed to detest the King of Saudi Arabia because he had stolen his clan’s land and as soon as he got US citizenship he was pleased to burn a copy of his Saudi passport claiming that he was no longer a subject.
Lost touch with him after we both changed jobs but ran into him at a conference a couple of years ago.
He was still morning the loss of his two sons.
One was killed in Afghanistan, the other in Iraq.
Moral of the story — even if one generation acts / become moderate, their children still become terrorists.
By many measures the American culture, and those of the other western nations generally, are clearly superior to those of the Middle East and of the third world generally. To the extent we are no longer clearly better in some ares, most often that can be attributed to the very “multi-culturalism” we abhor.
The most direct and telling difference is respect for human rights, regardless of race, etc. Other nations may be poor, they may be backward, but they don’t have to routinely slaughter and abuse the “outs” in their own countries, regardless.
Here we must be careful on the subject of immigration. I would not close the borders, even to Muslims. There are simply too many in the world as it is who cannot be helped any other way to reject all immigration. But we certainly should manage it so that we don’t sow the seeds of the destruction of our own culture or create a dangerous cadre of assassins right here at home.
Forget that! I don’t care how “downtrodden” you think these people are, when they get here in sufficient numbers they revert to the lowest common denominator.
Just look at Dearborn! The whole city is a no-go zone for Americans on American soil. They brutally chased all the locals out and now it is indestinguishable from any arab cr@phole in the middle east. Sharia is the law and all the schools are now muslim.
Every emigre’ from those sorry countries is simply replaced by another baby. It is not a solution, but putting off the inevitable, also exporting that failure out to others. The solution is to let equal be as equal does. We have done plenty. Solutions don’t come about by avoiding hard solutions.
650,000 dead in the American Civil War, how many it our Revolutionary War? Let these cultures figure out their problems of over-population and social infrastructure on their own. Otherwise they’ll never leave the nest, so-to-speak, and foul ours. This is called tough love. Yes, people die and suffer – not as many as will eventually die and suffer in the future.
What would’ve happened had the South seceded and we left it to do so? How many wars since then, how much more slavery? Get it over with and live a better future, or live a miserable present forever. This is progress and we are not helping, but stopping progress by interfering in the Third World and allowing them to emigrate out. They have access to our knowledge – let that be enough – it should be in any event.
“They have access to our knowledge – let that be enough – it should be in any event.”
That’s the part that ticks me off. It’s not like we built our power grids and then kept the knowledge – it’s out there. Let them build their own infrastructure. Shoot, the only reason they are getting petrol dollars now is because of American and British technology in finding and drilling for the oil they now use to kill us.
We need to get rid of our libs and use our own resources. That’s drop the price of crude and they’ll probably go bankrupt. I’d LOVE to see that happen!
That’s all good when it was e pluribus unum. Now it it’s e pluribus I’ll do what the hell I want whitey!!! No long to immigrants come here to be united, they come here to form Balkanized communities. My state of New Hampshire just deported a woman and her husband who were involved in the Rwadan Genocide. How does a known Hutu get into my country in the first place. A couple of Somali immagrants beat a teenage girl at Manchester High School so badly she needed reconstructive surgery just because she wouldn’t reciprocate his advances. No! No! No! No! Get them out, or put them through a vigorous re-socializing program before you let them loose on a civilized populace.
Muslims have militia camps in the country that Homeland Security and the FBI look the other way about, but let a couple of white dudes get together at the range to practice and a drone might appear over head. Enough of this Orwellian doublespeak. Until people want to come to this country and participate in the Republican experiment that is America the way it was laid out by our founders, then they can stay and rot in their hellholes.
All true, my friends, but it would not necessarily be the case if immigrants wanted to be “Americans” and assimilated as they did 100 years ago. Somehow we took Asians, Eastern Europeans, a smattering of Latinos, Pacific Islanders, even Caribbean blacks and fused them with our earlier arrivals into one nation filled with patriotism and confidence about the future. Where did that go? Was there an expiration date?
It went away because ideas changed, and they can change back with enough effort. Immigration has ceased to be about finding a new home and becoming Americans, and for our sakes it needs to return to those premises.
My personal suspicion is that that kind of assimilation only ever worked that well on the back of a kind of Ponzi scheme, with each wave of immigrants rising and getting more prosperous as a later one came in to form a new bottom layer. That would mean that the last comers were always doomed to have a harder climb. This is obscured by the fact that the last big wave didn’t come in from outside but was mostly blacks moving within the U.S.A. (who had other barriers to face, too, but let’s not muddy the waters with that).
AMEN TO THAT ! IF WE THE PEOPLE DON’T GET THE BLOODHOUNDS, TORCHS, & PITCHFORKS & MARCH ON CONGRESS, IT WILL NEVER STOP.
The Birkenhead is going down, and all the red-tabs can think of is to put a paratrooper on trial for slugging a Taliban prisoner who was trying to escape questioning. (Yesterday’s Daily Mail – trial judge threw the case out.) How symbolic of Britain as a whole.
If today was “then”, and “there” was Whitehall, none of the wives and children would have made it into the troopship’s lifeboat. Neither would any of the soldiers, but the officers would have survived.
England’s leadership is no longer worthy of its citizens. One could rip the medals and buttons from Parliament’s tunic and lay a loaded revolver on the nightstand by its bed, but Parliament wouldn’t have the spine to pull the trigger.
At the root, it is all about spine.
The true Brits may rally yet. I suspect there is a growing black market for guns and ammo.
Suicide of the West, cont’d. The election of Obama was another major milestone of same.
An excellent piece that echoes comments in other writings. “Londonistan” is a few years old now, but it chronicles the advance of the Muslim immigration into England and the failings of multiculturalism. An interesting point it made was that English society became more permissive as this process occurred, making it more abhorrent to the conservative beliefs of Muslims, reducing whatever desire they might have had to integrate into the mainstream culture. “Sovereignty or Submission” also addresses multiculturalism, the destruction of nationalism, the EU, and patriotic immigration. “The New Road to Serfdom” provides interesting snippets of current life in England. Some points Hannan made are that courts are always to the left of the populace, that EU has come to dictate law in England, and that quangos govern daily life to the point that elected officials are impotent. So no, this column by Mr. Smith is not a one-off, biased hatchet job.
Another issue has to do with English politics. Although David Cameron is considered “conservative”, this is a relative term. Ideologically, he would get along pretty well with Nancy Pelosi. And speaking of “relative”, while half of Brits would like to leave England, some 300,000 French ex-pats now live in England. That number may increase if Hollande is elected.
And here are some final thoughts on the English criminal justice system. I enjoy English crime dramas like Midsomer Murders, A Touch of Frost, Pie in the Sky (more a comedy), New Tricks, and The Last Detective (the best of the lot). Sure, some of the socialist themes are gag-inducing (Kavanagh, Q.C. among the worst), but the acting is generally good and the quality exceeds most American television. A near universal theme in these English shows is “justice by suicide”. Almost every series has at least one episode in which the perpetrator commits suicide. I think this reflects the Brits’ frustration with the ineffectiveness of their criminal justice system rather than any real insights into the psyches of criminal perpetrators.
I find I like very much Inspector Lewis and Ashes to Ashes.
Kermudjin, maybe you and others here can help me with this: I don’t trust Daniel Hannan. He gained a soaring reputation on both sides of the Atlantic as an up-and-coming conservative, especially after he made a speech. And in many of his writings he at least pays a lot of lip service to Euroscepticism, Hayek, etc. But I’m pretty sure that he also supported Obama, and in his blog postings he sometimes writes in ways which remind me very much of inside-the-beltway pseudo-conservatives in the USA. For instance I remember him tooting his own horn about attending some observance of the Srebrenica massacre, and spouting some Multicultural-sounding claptrap about Muslims in Europe. He strikes me as someone who knows how to give conservatives warm, fuzzy feelings, but can Hannan really be trusted?
I meant to add that Hannan also just seems too slick, and he hasn’t been willing to go very far to criticize his party, the so-called Conservatives, for doing extremely un-conservative things. Anyway, if anyone can reassure me about him, I’d be grateful. Kyle Smith is right about how Britain has been sliding off of the cliff, and its dying for principled leaders, not slick, ambitious, fake conservatives.
Egil, I tend to focus more on ideas than personalities, so I really haven’t given much thought to Hannan as a person. I know his speech excoriating Gordon Brown was electrifying – and accurate. He has also explained that he is a fan of the U.S. and therefore he is loathe to criticize our President. In “The New Road to Serfdom” he discusses policies without getting into partisan politics or personality, but he seems pretty clear in warning us not to take the left fork in the road. But again, is he just another garden variety slick politician? I don’t know.
Thanks Kermudjin. I appreciate your comments. I don’t want to be unfair to Hannan, but I’m sick of the opportunistic politicians like David Cameron, and in the USA people like Orrin Hatch, who along with the Leftist ideologues have been destroying our countries. It would be a mistake for us to demand that we agreed with our politicians 100% of the time, but we need a drastic overhaul of our “Ruling Classes,” or else everything goes off the cliff. The Tea Party was a great start in the USA. I hope there can be a similar phenomenon in the UK. At least there are rumblings of some resistance to the British Ruling Classes by groups such as the English Defence League, and the political party UKIP.
Hannan said he thought it was a good thing for the US to vote in Obama. I heard it, on Fox. This was after he was ripping Brit socialism and the budding movement in the US. I don’t think he — and millions like him — will ever get over the race thing.
I think you’re right, Kathy.
The trend & frustration was also evident in the series ‘Life on Mars’ (& its sequel whose name escapes me) from a few years ago.
Modern day police constable wakes up in the 1970s. When he is finally ‘rescued’ and returned to today’s England. He decides to go back to when justice worked and he felt like he made a difference.
When the head of the Church of England welcomes shariah law, when prince Charles, the next in line to the throne, is enamoured of Islam, and when the mayor of London wants to make London “a beacon of Islam,” it is true that England is circling the drain. The song “Living on a Thin Line” by the Kinks says it best:
All the stories have been told
Of kings and days of old
But there’s no England now.
All the wars that were won and lost
Somehow don’t seem to matter very much anymore.
I see the Communists are firmly in control in London now. Imagine that. We are next if we re-elect Obama, Reid, Pelosi, Durbin, Chuckie Shumer, Maxine Watters, the pair of clowns from Minnesota and anyone with the name of Kennedy. The list is very long. Congressman West was absolutely right about the Democrat Party, and made no mention of the thousands of Communists who now hold key positions in the federal bureaucracies. Go to the polls this fall and help save our country from the self proclaimed progressives. Communism can not work on any level larger than a clan or very small tribe. 300,000,000 people can not even hope to ever prosper as collectivist comrades. If we want a future, we have to root this madcap claptrap out of our society. ABO2012
“ABO2012″
Hallelujah, brother, hallelujah!
Liam Stacey, 21. Hre deseved it.
Young could be one year in prison for yelling while drunk
Amna is facing 60 years in jail for stelaing a couple of photos from a phone.
the land of the free with 5 millions incareated for ” crimes# so henious lacks moral stand to citicize that
– it was fun while it lasted.
Maybe the judge wanted to know if Breivik was a one time phenomenon or if it could be repeated.
These guys have something to say about the whole situation:
http://englishdefenceleague.org/
Why do we continue to allow the left to use the words Racism and Racist incorrectly, to enlarge their meaning beyond reasonable or traditional meanings, mainly for political reasons in order to cut off or shut down debate. But just as disturbing as this leftist tactic is the fact that those on the right who do or should know better allow it to continue unchallenged.
Racism is a belief system that subscripts to the belief that the various races form a hierarchical structure of superior to inferior. A Racist is one who beliefs in racism where his/her race holds the highest value in the hierarchical structure.
Making a comment about the difference between races (skin color, hair type and texture, muscle mass, height etc) is not racist. The saying “white men can’t jump” is not a racist saying in and of itself even though the saying usually refers to and grew out of the sport of basketball where the inability to jump is seen as an inferior. This saying would fall under the heading of stereotyping not racist. Singing Kung Fu fighting again is at worst playing off on a stereotype (although when the song came out it was poking fun more at the current Kung Fu fad in movies television that at a people or race of people). Also note that Kung Fu is a Chinese term describing a particular practice. Since the Chinese are an ethic cultural group of the mongoloid race would by definition exclude such things as Kung Fu Fighting from ever falling under the label as racist. Just as the stereotype of the Irish being heavy drinkers (although within my own family of Irish heritage this certainly seems to be true) is not a racist view for it is not a value placed on the entire Caucasoid race but only a ethic subgroup.
Racism does not in and of itself relate to emotion or emotion based actions toward another race, such as hate. Hating people based on their race is bigotry. Which I highly suspect Liam Stacey was most likely guilty of if anything (by suggesting the Stacey might be “guilty” of being a bigot does not in any way suggest that I believe bigotry should be a crime).
A person can be a racist without being a bigot and likewise can be bigot without being a racist. In fact I’ll suggest that racist spend little time thinking or even considering people of the race they consider inferior. That in fact the extent to which they interact with inferior races is at arms length and usually to promote or suggest that the “poor” inferior race can only be lifted up is through the intervention of the superior race (hence the need for government action to provide protections, employment quotas etc.).
Allowing the words racism and racist to be abused and misused by the left not only allows them to define the terms of debate but even the subject matter, where we have already seem in this country simply disagreeing with the President turns into being called a racist, but allows it to be used to shut down the debate. Being held accountable to the correct meaning and use of the word limits the lefts ability the censure the discussion and undercuts their ability to advance their agenda outside the arena of reasoned and rational debate.
Excellent points. The problem is, I just couldn’t imagine regurgitating all of this every time a leftie made a false charge of racism.
It seems to me that charges of racism are part of the bigger picture of politically correct speech. As is common with leftie strategies, they started at a reasonable place and then ratcheted things up from there in an incremental fashion. They started by condemning speech that nearly everyone would find offensive (e.g., racial epithets) and now they condemn speech that someone somewhere might possible find offensive (e.g., the “illegal” in illegal immigrant). In the same way that racial epithets are seen as harmful, the vocabulary police use PC language to harm others. I would point to Rush Limbaugh and Don Imus as examples. The point is not to make society more civil; it is to control the discussion and thus win the debate. Hillary Clinton recently said that peer pressure and shame could be used to enforce speech patterns in the U.S. While conservatives defend freedom of speech, socialists are shaping our dialogue. And, until recently, conservatives have been too scared to fight back.
Woah there, Son! You go ’round thinkin’ that hard, you’ll do yerself a mischeif!
Arguing with the left serves no useful purpose: they don’t really care. They are correct, and you are stupid. End of story! Besides, they love watching you twist yourself in knots, just so they can say, “No, it’s not”, and claim victory (third grade schoolyard rules).
Shoot them, if you must, but don’t waste time arguing with them.
By the way, for those who claim that there can be no difference between white and black, regarding intelligence, culture, crime, or anything else, I have this to say: If there is no genetic difference, why is it that we are white and they are black?
Conservatives of the world unite!!!
We can either curse the darkness, or light a candle.
I submit that those in favour of “Greater Britain” (which is an interesting chapter in “Empire” by Niall Ferguson), were correct, and are still correct.
England is getting what it deserves. Once the scum takes over, fill the tunnel to France with concrete and end air and ship connections with the doomed isle, and let mad cow disease take over
Scott,
Why so much hate for England? There are a lot of very good people in England. Why do you condemn the innocent? You surely would not want your country to suffer a dreadful fate. Why wish it on another country?
Linda, as always the comments say more about the commenter than it does about America. For so long the English and Europeans mocked America as buck tooth hillbillies who clung to their Bibles and guns. Did you speak up then and ask, “Why the hate”?
It doesn’t matter. I hope that the Americans and the English can work together once again to beat back the forces of tyranny. It’s going to be more difficult this time. We need to stick together.
Every non-Muslim is the target of global jihad. Every non-Muslim country is targeted for Islamic conquest. It is commanded in the Koran book of war. There are some moderate Muslims (secular), but there is NO moderate Islam.
UNITED We Stand. Divided We Fall.
You write as if it is the majority of English who mocked Americans.
A few days ago, there was an article in the UK Daily Mail about New York City. A whole number of English people commented on how they loved New York City and how much they liked New Yorkers, saying how nice, friendly and helpful New Yorkers were. One English person said they visited New York City every single year and would move to live in New York City if they could. The English made only positive comments about Americans. I have also seen this many times in other articles.
Why so much hate for England?
Believe it’s the wrong question, we’re more about contempt than hate. Of course there are still ‘good’ people in your country, but most are underpowered and enervated and, collectively, not nearly enough to save you or affect the judgement of others. You’ve flushed the baby out with the bathwater and, from the standpoint of an outsider, now you’re down to whining your way to alienation; and, of course, you need someone to blame. Good luck with that. Your country is now One Big Excuse.
We’re all in it together, some of you say? Like hell we are. All you bring to the fight is a silly grin, mild sarcasm and a dab of perfume.
As for the specific causes for the derision and disgust — gasp! — are you serious? Anyone with an informed opinion can produce a long, long list in ten minutes. IMO, your crappy fourth-rate academics from the myriad campuses of the Whiny Limey U of Please Yourself belong closer to the top than most believe, but that’s an aesthetic choice. Overall, your country is due to pay a heavy price for its warped and ignorant view of the US. Worse, you no longer have any credibility. One or two here tout The English Defence League, the home of the original stumped-tooth rube. Bite me.
So…When you’ve crucified Polly Toynbee, and Paxman’s head is on a spike above the city gate, and Matt Frei goes up in flames like Guy Fawkes, well, get back to us. Until then, you’re all hat and no cattle.
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Why so much hate for England?
Believe it’s the wrong question, we’re more about contempt than hate. Of course there are still ‘good’ people in your country, but most are underpowered and enervated and, collectively, not nearly enough to save you or affect the judgement of others. You’ve flushed the baby out with the bathwater and, from the standpoint of an outsider, now you’re down to whining your way to alienation; and, of course, you need someone to blame. Good luck with that.
Your country is now One Big Excuse.
We’re all in it together, some of you say? Like hell we are. All you bring to the fight is a silly grin, mild sarcasm and a dab of perfume.
As for the specific causes for the derision and disgust — gasp! — are you serious? Anyone with an informed opinion can produce a long, long list in ten minutes. IMO, your crappy fourth-rate academics from the myriad campuses of the Whiny Limey U of Please Yourself belong closer to the top than most believe, but that’s an aesthetic choice. Overall, your country is due to pay a heavy price for its warped and ignorant view of the US. Worse, you no longer have any credibility. One or two here tout The English Defence League, the home of the original stumped-tooth rube. Bite me.
So…When you’ve crucified Polly Toynbee, and Paxman’s head is on a spike above the city gate, and Matt Frei goes up in flames like Guy Fawkes, well, get back to us. Until then, you’re all hat and no cattle.
Perhaps later this century – you know, when all the ice has melted from Greenland, per the GW Alarmists’ predictions? – we can bundle together all the ‘progressives’ in the U.S. and their social, economic, intellectual and moral counter-parts in the U.K. and move them onto Greenland. Come to it, we ought to do that in a couple more years, whether the ice has melted off or not. They seem to be two ruling classes who were just made for each other; don’t you think?
Already here!!!
The Kinks got it right 40 years ago “There’s no England any more”, and they are getting what they diserve for banning Mike Savage from the emerald isle.
It was NOT the British people who banned Michael Savage! It was the British government! And the British government do whatever they want, which most unfortunately, very often, is extremely harmful to Britain and the British people.
Looks as if many of the same phenomena described here exist today in the US, and some of them here in Israel. In any case, there is far too much facile, highly emotional dismissal of Britain on this thread. It also ignores the role that Britain played in America’s wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.
Much shrill jingoism on these talkbacks now…
the Brits still hate the Jews more than they fear the moslams
they deserve all the moslam contempt they get
Please don’t unjustly accuse an entire people of Jew-hate!
The entire world’s people have been blessed because of the Jews! The Jews are a tiny minority on this earth, yet in regards to their small proportion, have produced an astonishing number of breakthroughs in computer technology, science, agriculture, and the list goes on and on. Thank God for the Jewish people!
No power on earth will ever be able to extinguish the light that is Israel. Israel’s light will shine forever!
“the Brits still hate the Jews more than they fear the moslams”
Your spelling declines, but the spew remains the same. Care to back up you comment? Thought not.
If everyone else gets a capital letter, how come the Queen doesn’t?
When you hear the news, it is already in the price. Of course we might say to, with Hegel: “The owl of Minerva flies at dusk.” Now at the end we see what happened or can better see.
Fine we now know, and the Brits have to make their own decisions on how to proceed. I would suggest no more asylum seekers be allowed in. They trashed their own countries, now the look for better pillage. Next, is to cut social services. Like pigeons, you feed them they come, they stop they go. Same in the US.
I lay all problems on the mummery of revealed, established religions. But hey, shrill self-righteousness as a cover for political advantage is the way to go. The problem will disappear when people realize that they don’t have to put up with such stuff, and should not feel bad about doing so.
In other words stop enabling people who are destructive.
There’s only one problem with Europe falling, take a guess where they are going to come. Then they will bring their crappy euro PN society with them. Then guess who’s going to pay for it. Another infestation we will not be able to get rid of.
Wow, England has gone completely mental!
They jail a man for weeks, simply for writing his opinions (which I am sure were horrendous!) We’ve heard/read things here in America that made us wish we could jail folks for their hatefilled remarks–but we don’t jail them because we recognize they are exercising their ‘free speech’ rights.
This behavior of England’s govt should refresh American’s thankfulness for living in a country where we HAVE the right to free speech.
Much worse, of course, is the news that a judge in England has FREED 4 violent offenders who, without any provocation, brutally attacked an innocent woman simply because she was white. The only excuse they gave was their drunkenness and being Muslim. HELLO???????????????
How screwed up is England!!!???? Sadly, I have read of some places in America where judges have ruled similarly in cases where American Muslims have violently attacked innocent people for irrational “reasons” (as if there were ‘reasons’ that made unprovoked attackes OK). We MUST stop this crap before it gets out of hand. And, YES, it IS the responsibility of We The People! Don’t give this job to our government–they’re the ones who are promoting this sort of thing!
Obama Makes Free Speech A Felony – Youtube
http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=7SGWH3kirzg&vq=medium
This was recently signed into law. Supported overwhelmingly by BOTH parties.
We are BETRAYED by both Republicans and Democrats.
If people don’t like immigration laws and open borders in the U.S., then stop voting in big-government fake conservatives that only pay lip service to such things.
And vote out the ones that support NDAA and budget plans that don’t balance the budget for 30 years while you’re at it. (That means fake conservatives like Paul Ryan.)
We are so screwed.
Though other Western countries run it close (especially Nordic countries like Sweden), the UK is in a league of its own for the title of “Crazy Uncle of the West”.
I advised King Harry to take Conquerin’ Bill more seriously back in 1066, but he had to go and get an eye full of arrow.
The Normans may have been Vikings, but it is always inadvisable to let the French into your country. They’re a nail in your national tire, a ‘rhoid in a rumble seat, an uneaten mouse.
The sooner Great Britain and the rest of the world recognize islam for what it is- a virus afflicting the planet- the closer we will be to solving our problems. islam has contributed nothing to the world except misery and death, the suicide bomb vest and the car bomb. The UK is slowly succumbing to the virus, as is France and Spain. The men of Europe must stand up the creeping menace that is islam and reclaim their countries.