Energy Independence: Shooting for the Moon
Sunday, July 20, is the thirty-ninth anniversary of the first manned lunar landing.
At the time, it was considered a wondrous achievement. So much so, in fact, that a new phrase arose. “If we can put a man on the moon…” If we can do that, why can’t we cure cancer, end world hunger, achieve world peace, give everyone a pony?
Now comes a new call from former vice president Al Gore, for another Apollo program, this time to achieve “energy independence” and save the planet. It is thought by many that this, like landing a man on the moon, is a technological challenge that we can conquer if we simply establish a huge federal program, or even reassign NASA, to do so.
And even John McCain has gotten into the act:
On the screen, there is a matrix of images: an early satellite, a Saturn 5 lifting off, an astronaut on the surface of the Moon. Was a major presidential candidate really talking about space in a campaign ad?
Well, not exactly. “John McCain will call America to our next national purpose: energy security,” the narrator continued. The imagery on the screen changed: the rocket and astronaut were replaced by a gas pump, oil well, and windmills as the narrator talked about McCain’s plan to reduce gas prices, increase domestic oil production, and promote alternative energy sources. Energy quite literally pushed space out of the picture.
So did Barack Obama, in his predictable response to McCain’s call for an auto battery prize:
Explaining that “when John F. Kennedy decided that we were going to put a man on the moon, he didn’t put a bounty out for some rocket scientist to win,” Obama believes that to speed alternative fuel development and increase fuel-efficiency, the full power of the government must be combined with the “ingenuity and innovation of the American people.”
Well, of course he does. He’s never met a problem that, in his mind, the “full power of the government” can’t solve.
It’s an understandable appeal, but it betrays a certain lack of understanding of the problem to think that we will solve it with a crash federal program, at least if it’s one modeled on Apollo.
Putting a man on the moon was a remarkable achievement, but it was a straightforward well-defined engineering challenge, and a problem susceptible to having huge bales of money thrown at it, which is exactly how it was done. At its height, the Apollo program consumed four percent of the federal budget (NASA is currently much less than one percent, and has been for many years). Considering how much larger the federal budget is today, with the addition and growth of many federal programs over the past forty years makes the amount of money spent on the endeavor even more remarkable.
But most of the other problems for which people have pled for a solution, using Apollo as an example, were, and are, less amenable to being solved by a massive public expenditure. We may in fact cure cancer, and have made great strides over the past four decades in doing so, but it’s a different kind of problem, involving science and research on the most complex machine ever built — the human body. It isn’t a problem for which one can simply set a goal and time table and put the engineers to work on it, as Apollo was. Similarly, ending world hunger and achieving world peace are socio-political problems, not technological ones (though technology has made great strides in improving food production, which makes the problem easier to solve for governments that are competent and not corrupt). So most of the uses of the phrase never really made much sense, often being non sequiturs.
It’s important to understand that landing a man on the moon (or developing atomic weaponry as in the Manhattan Project — another example used by proponents of a new federal energy program) was a technological achievement. Achieving “energy independence,” or ending the use of fossil fuels, are economic ones. And the former is not necessarily even a desirable goal, if by that one means only getting energy from domestic sources. Energy is, and should remain, part of the global economy and trade system if we want to continue to keep prices as low as possible and continue to provide economic growth.
In hindsight, if the goal of Apollo had been to open up the space frontier, rather than a crash program to send half a dozen astronauts to the lunar surface, it would have been better to state as a goal that we would establish an affordable and sustainable transportation infrastructure to and from the moon. As it happens, that was in fact what George W. Bush proposed four and a half years ago in the Vision for Space Exploration, but NASA apparently missed the memo. But that never was the goal of Apollo. The goal of Apollo was to simply prove that a democratic socialist state enterprise was technologically superior to a totalitarian one. Once we had beaten the Soviets to the moon, it was mission accomplished, and no need to go back. The remaining missions after Apollo XI were simply programmatic inertia, using up the hardware after the production was shut down in 1967, when it became clear that we were going to win.
The problem was that, as already noted, Apollo cost a lot of money. So much so that after landing only six crews, we flew the last mission thirty-six years ago, and shelved the technology that enabled us to achieve it, because it wasn’t providing an economic return commensurate with the cost to the taxpayer. In fact, it spurred a new use of the phrase among frustrated space enthusiasts. Since 1972, they’ve been able to ask “If we can send a man to the moon, why can’t we send a man to the moon?” The answer is that we couldn’t afford to continue to do so, at least not the way we’d been doing it (which is a reason why NASA’s plan to redo Apollo, pretty much the same way, will likely not be sustainable, either). To use Apollo as a model for the provision of our most vital commodity — energy — would be economically ruinous.
But if the goal is to build an affordable in-space transportation infrastructure, again, like the energy problem, that is an economic problem, not a purely technological one, and simply throwing money at it, Apollo style, won’t necessarily get the job done. In both cases, the goal will require not a massive centralized federal technology effort, but policies that free up the market, and allow the technologies to be properly deployed as they are developed. We don’t need technocrats (and particularly we don’t need divinity school dropouts and “D” science students) picking energy technology winners and predetermining the outcome of the research. For either space transportation or energy production, the focus should be on the goal, not the means to achieve it.
Which is why John McCain’s idea of a prize for more efficient electric car batteries is a good step in the right direction. I would argue, though, that it is still too specific. Better to simply offer a prize for cost-effective electric car with good performance and long range between charges, rather than specifying that batteries be the storage medium. On the other hand, it can be argued that at current gas prices, there’s already an abundance of market demand for such a thing, and that the prize is redundant.
What we really need is not another Apollo, but to let the market work, and not distort it with political pork like ethanol tariffs and subsidies, and drilling bans. At current oil prices, there are a lot of incentives to find alternatives, and this is already happening about as quickly as it can be reasonably expected to. There’s an old saying that you can’t get a baby in a month by putting nine women on the job, but that’s essentially what proponents of an Apollo program for energy are proposing.
Here’s my plea. If we can put a man on the moon, why can’t we get people to stop making bad analogies with putting a man on the moon?






The people coming up with these bad ideas get to run the money through their fingers. Not necessarily into their pockets, but into their friend’s pockets who can then get them reelected.
What’s in it for them if the free market does it?
I just saw an item on German TV yesterday about VW’s projections for battery cars. They say that they will continue to produce them on a small scale, but they don’t see them reaching a double digit percentage of the market for 20 to 25 years. Current batteries don’t provide the range and production capacity is too small. They see the predictions that electric cars will become the trend in the next decade as overoptimistic.
Obviously, there could be a flash of lightening that would change everything, but these are folks who know something about the amount of engineering grunt work needed to get a new product on the streets.
U.S. oil demand was significantly down for the first six months of 2008, API (American Petroleum Institute) said Friday in its Monthly Statistical Report. While U.S. refiners churned out record and near-record amounts of oil products, imports – especially product imports — fell substantially.
What is the most interesting detail in these stats is what is not stated … that this demand fell without any U.S. Government intervention. These figures fell due to the forces of supply and demand when the overlay of a sudden price increase takes effect.
Your contention that the analogy about the motivating people to sign on to a Big Government program, is 100% correct. If the object target is immovable as in a technology achievement, great … but please do not assign this motivating analogy to a “Whack-A-Mole” world condition.
On energy … “Energy Is Freedom”! What we need to be pushing all of our chips to the middle of the table, in that we need to push and expand energy development on all fronts – emerging technologies and traditional petroleum solutions.
One wonders what will happen to our hard fought freedoms now that our Democrat leaders in Congress have declared their “No-Drill” petroleum policy to coincide with their intended desire to attack the oil companies with a windfall profits TAX.
Energy helped to make our lives easier and our country the most powerful in the world … the lack of energy, any energy, will degrade everything.
The analogy parity challenge should be:
If we can put a man on the moon, then we can find, capture, develop, refine, and use energy, any energy, to have our lives lived in greater freedom and with greater ease.
Designing an electric vehicle with the same (or better) characteristics of our modern automobiles seems like the stuff of science fiction. 300+ miles on a charge would be a good start and is probably achievable in what’s left of my life.
The charging cycle must be significantly reduced to match the petrol story, though, and that’s were I’m skeptical. I can refill the tank in five minutes. Recharging a 300 mile battery in five minutes will require some interesting technology.
I suppose the flying car will have to wait another 100 years if all the “peak oil” believers get their way…
chief ecogangbanger gore wants to cripple the us economy. his degree in climatology is from macdonald’s hamburger university. it just so happens the companies he has investments in stand the most to gain from his apollo program. don’t buy carbon credits or any of his stories. because wind and solar don’t produce electricity all the time you have to have standby coal and natural gas power plants running to produce in slack periods. without nuclear it’s all a sham. there won’t be electricity to run all the electric cars that won’t be ready for prime time.
Sadly, the current administration has crippled our country. If we had reacted to 9/11 by building nuclear power plants instead of wasting blood and treasure on Iraq, we would be energy-independent now. The money poured out onto the sand in Iraq would have built a thousand such plants and enabled us to laugh at OPEC. That is the real failure of Iraq, and “winning” the war, should it eventuate, will not lessen that defeat.
To Shef Rogers,
Curtail your reflex to blame George Bush for all our ills. It is a tedious argument borne of a lack of intellect. If you really want to blame someone, I suggest Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid and environmentalists who are responsible for blocking every effort to become energy independent.
1. I don’t think that all of the development in Apollo was just for crossing the finish line and planting the flag. If so, why develop the little car they used to drive around in later missions? Why train the astronauts in geology? At least a little of the think was about science, at least as cover…
2. I am a little dubious that 1000 nuclear plants could have been built and paid for with the money spent in Iraq and time since 9/11. It’s been only seven years – that’s 143 nuclear plants per year. I That aside, all that nuclear electricity would have replaced oil? We use oil to power vehicles – lots of new electricity doesn’t get us anywhere unless the vehicles use electricity. The current electric-only vehicles don’t cut it.
Fossil fuel based transportation is here to stay for at least 20, if not 50 years. It’s going to take a long while before batteries provide the power for an 18-wheeler or a 747. And it would be insane to throw away the current, fuel-based infrastructure – say, 200 million personal vehicles at $20K apiece. That’s 4 trillion dollars, even before you get to the planes, trains and big trucks. When the liberals say, “We can’t drill our way out of this ….”; well, we can’t wind, solar, ethanol or conserve our way out of this either. Drill now, drill everywhere; in order to reduce our dependence on foreign oil. Rather than pay OPEC, invest that money in American oil wells and the American jobs that go with them. Let the free market work for alternative fuels and get the government out of choosing technologies – the corn-based ethanol fiasco just demonstrates the inability of Congress to predict the unintended consequence; in this case, the starving of millions around the world because food prices have increased 75%.
And finally, perhaps an effort that Mr. Simberg would both recognize and welcome as an appropriate technological challenge: establish a government prize for the first solar power satellite to produce 10 megawatts of power on the ground, for a year. That would be 10 billion dollars well spent.
Nuclear power, as well as some other infrastructure like oil refineries and fuel processing plants, is something that can actually benefit from government intervention.
The problem with these facilities is regulation and NIMBY litigation. They drive up the startup cost, leading to serious problems in attracting investment capital.
We can’t just get rid of our regulations, otherwise you end up with Russian-style messes. These things are regulated for good reason.
The answer is for government to help shepherd the projects through, and guarantee the investment to reduce the risk imposed by regulation and litigation delays.
This reminds me of Obama’s complaint that Cheney only met with environmental groups once to discuss an energy policy but many times with officials from the energy industry. Nothing he or Al Gore has said is a better illustration of what’s wrong with their positions on energy.
They believe in centralized planning with economic outputs being commanded by Washington, rather than allowing markets to reach the most efficient means possible to meet our needs. Nobody has demonstrated that a modern national economy can be operated on solar and wind power. If it were feasible, the power industry would already be rolling it out.
The problem with the Apollo program was that there was no economic value to being the first to land a man on the moon. There is plenty of value in the technology it took to do it, such as reliable launch vehicles, satellites, etc., but until someone comes up with a better reason to land on the moon than winning a race or collecting a prize spending the money to do it looks more like an indulgence than an investment.
There is economic value in developing new energy sources, but not merely in wind turbines or solar electric panels, unless they become more cost effective than coal, oil and gas. If it is in response to a government mandate, if we’re doing it just based on satisfying radical environmentalists, it is not producing economic value, but a political end. We will find out that bureaucrats and junk science activists can never be satisfied, after pouring a lot of money into speculations.
If Global Warming is really a problem, we’ll know about it without needing computer models and arcane theories blaming it all on humans. GW alarmists have made so many dire predictions that one begins to believe the only solution is for the human race to go extinct. If that’s the case, and we accept these scenarios, the best thing we could do for the planet would be to speed up the process, die and make room for whatever comes next. Why worry about rising sea levels when we should all starve anyway? Sure, there will be mass extinctions, but there have been others in the past and life always comes back, from far worse crises than this one.
If we allow ourselves to be governed by the likes of Al Gore and the Sierra Club, we don’t deserve to be a superpower anyway, and it would probably be better if we just got on with adjusting to our new lower standard of living, and amend the Constitution to make environmentalist dictates exempt from its guarantees of freedom.
anykind of a sound solution for our energy ill’s will come from business and government working together. al gore should not be a part of any decision, he’s only pimping for profit. him and his tree hugger cronies need to step out of the way. it’s going to take oil for the next 20 to 30 years to transition and wait for industry to get revamped. i don’t think we have a steel mill here,germany is buying up all the coal for their coke plants. russias’ grabbing up underwater land near the arctic, and china and goodness knows which other entities are poised off the coast of florida to start drilling. i guess as soon as congress gives them the o.k. we can drill our way off dependence from others. there is plenty of natural gas and oil. we’ve done the send a man to the moon thing, let get a new name for a new era. how about “IT’S OUR OIL AND WERE GONNA DRILL IT.”
Generally a good post. He is dead on on the vapidity of people saying all challenges are like Apollo, and thus all doable in 10 years if only the “full power of the government makes it so.”. But I strongly disagree with Simberg’s assertion that we don’t need to shoot for energy independence, only letting the glorious global oil market set price.
Achieving “energy independence,” or ending the use of fossil fuels, are economic ones. And the former is not necessarily even a desirable goal, if by that one means only getting energy from domestic sources. Energy is, and should remain, part of the global economy and trade system if we want to continue to keep prices as low as possible and continue to provide economic growth.
Simberg neglects how badly burned we have been by “free market!!” speculators, OPEC, and the ability of corporations and marketeers to manipulate the public into demanding energy-squandering mega-homes and consumer appliances and keeping them oblivious to infrastructure improvements until a crisis hits after decades of neglect.
Most nations, burned in worse ways by famine, tend to have a goal of being self-sufficient in food production if possible, and failing that to go outside market forces to get secure overseas supplies lined up at cheap prices. They have determined it is insane to throw all their farmers out of business if they cannot grow grain crops at under the price that an efficient overseas grower subsidized by a superior transportation infrastructure or an abundance of cheap arable land can.
Similarly, it is insane to think that it is better to bleed out 700 billion to foreigners, in part to America’s greatest, most manipulative enemies simply to get the cheapest spot price on gas.
1. This policy ensures that domestic energy producers worry about another mass destruction of domestic firms like when OPEC deliberately opened the spigots to end American energy independence projects in the 80s and 90s. That makes “free market” investment by banks that still remember how they were burned and in some cases put out of business by the OPEC cabal moving prices to eliminate rivals.
2. What is better for the nation, a 100 dollars sent to Mexico for 25 gallons of gas, or 100 dollars kept in the USA for 20 gallons of oil shale product? The answer is the domestic, higher priced oil because that 100 dollars has a 6-7X economic multiplier from that new wealth and domestic jobs created being spent and respent in the USA. Once it leaves the country, the best we can hope for is that that 100 dollars buys a little US product, gets recycled so the Saudis own another chunk of US production, debt, or real estate.
You don’t get economic growth refusing to develop your own countries economy and filling shiploads with your steadily debasing currency – when you have the resources to make your own. If we had that “free market, growth and high skill jobs be damned for cheaper consumer prices philosophy ” we’d still be just a poor, raw material exporter paying for industrial finished goods like ironware, clothing that England had a pricing edge in.
3. After debacle after debacle of the “free market” failing to price materials and services rationally, and the NASDAQ meltdown, Enron meltdown, fiscal collapse of banks, several collapsed housing and gold bubbles the faith in the “free market” to rationally price things is clear. Or ability of “free markets” to adjust to coming events many saw coming plain as day – like Peak Oil, China’s 13% annual growth since 1992 due to China’s cheap labor advantage let loose in the WTO – tend to only end in catastrophe. Faith in the government, markets or the people running them to behave rationally and in the common interest, has eroded.
4. Strategically, when you do from 30% to 72% dependency of foreign sources of perhaps the most important strategic mineral, you have a big strategic problem. And when you realize that past models that assumed the “free market” would solve global resource allocations with only temporary interruptions until price or a few week naval intervention opened market access again, are badly flawed, you have a bigger problem. We have 2 months reserves vs the year supply we wanted when we made 75% of our own petroleum supply, and we now know that just “mission accomplished on a aircraft carrier” does not mean that oil production could be disrupted in several Gulf countries for years by guerilla or sectarian warfare in a wide Gulf conflict.
Let the “free market” chew on that fact and that if the fundamentals of the market change so much, 10-15 years might be needed to return to “normal”.
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WITH ALL THE TALK FROM PELOSI ET AL. THIS WEEK, IT’S WORTH REMEMBERING JAY LENO ON ANWR DRILLING: “Leno’s punchline: Democrats say drilling in ANWR wouldn’t produce any oil for 10 years — the same point they’ve been making for more than 10 years now. President Bill Clinton vetoed legislation in 1995 that would have opened ANWR to oil exploration.” It would be nice to have some extra oil coming on line about now.
Sums it up. On drilling off-shore and ANWR, the democrats lead by Pelosi, Reid and now Obama have collectively become the new “Dr NO”.
A recent Michael Ramirez cartoon sums it up even better. It shows Ms. Pelosi stating, “We’re not opposed to drilling… we’re opposed to drilling in areas that have oil.”
cedarford, one thing you might be careful about in the future: Small errors in your “facts” tend to undermine the entire argument.
I don’t know much about Peak Oil, but I do know when China was “let loose in the WTO”, and it wasn’t 1992. China acceded to the WTO December 11, 2001. And rather than China being “let loose” in world markets, WTO accession did more to allow foreign competition with Chinese enterprises in Chinese markets than otherwise.
This is the one thing I know about. But if you’ve got this point so fundamentally wrong on the one thing I know about, what else is wrong about your thesis? I have to presume “many things”.
“I don’t think that all of the development in Apollo was just for crossing the finish line and planting the flag. If so, why develop the little car they used to drive around in later missions? Why train the astronauts in geology? At least a little of the think was about science, at least as cover…”
To look for oil.
Hal,
Electricity, as from nuke plants, can be run through salt water to separate hydrogen from oxygen in the H2O. Release the oxygen to the environment and put the hydrogen in the cars. Students at UCLA, and undergraduates at that, converted an American Motors Gremlin to run on hydrogen in 1969, the same year we landed on the moon. The trouble is that it takes a LOT of electricity, ergo many nuke plants. Al Gore and his controllers have spent the last 30 years killing nuclear power. Now they have the chutzpah to bitch about our dependence on oil. Such arrogant hypocrisy!!
From Scott:
“Designing an electric vehicle with the same (or better) characteristics of our modern automobiles seems like the stuff of science fiction. 300+ miles on a charge would be a good start and is probably achievable in what’s left of my life.
The charging cycle must be significantly reduced to match the petrol story, though, and that’s were I’m skeptical. I can refill the tank in five minutes. Recharging a 300 mile battery in five minutes will require some interesting technology.”
I believe that the problem of a “quick” charge for an electric car is stairing us in the face … what do you do when your rechargable flashlight goes out? You put the spent batteries back in the charger and take our the fresh ones.
I think that for an electric car to be practical, a universal battery design and connection system needs to be adopted and a way for the battery to be quickly swaped out at the “Battery Station” (as apposed to the gas station). A battery station could have a 100 or so batteries charging on racks and when a customer comes in to “fuel up” some type of robot arm takes the used one form the car and places it on the charging rack and puts a fresh battery back in the car and off you go.
Now as far as I’m concerned, I am a DIESEL person. I own nothing but diesels. Great mileage and long life (VW Jetta TDI, Dodge 2500 & 4500 trucks). I would never buy an electric car since none offer a manual transmission … I WILL NEVER OWN AN AUTOMATIC TRANSMISSION CAR/TRUCK.
Crikey! Prize? 10 year engineering marvel? Man on the Moon?
Really, I don’t give a fig.
Just do something with a modicum of chance of success and do it now.
First plan out the gate starts. Or do them all.
Just do something.
It was interesting to consider the numbers when making analogies to the Apollo efforts.
For Apollo 4% of the federal budget, as Rand says, was used. In todays $2.7 trillion dollar budget, that would be around $100 billion or so.
Are we really ready for another “government program” you can surely expect to run well over $100 billion that may have yet more unpleasant and unintended consequences such as corn-based ethanol subsidies?
And aren’t we in this mess to begin with because our own government has been interfering with the market? It’s like government healthcare. Everyone seems to give a thumbs up for “universal government run healthcare”, ignoring the fact that the current version of our “universal government run healthcare” is a complete fiscal disaster.
So people want to compound the error? I don’t get it.
We need to stop waiting for the government to come and “do something”. That’s usually when it gets worse.
This is a clever approach that addresses the problem of charge time.
Unfortunately, it creates several new challenges:
o Who owns the batteries that are being charged? They will cost in the range of $5,000 – $10,000 apiece. The service station owner?
o Batteries have a life, say five years; imagine this complaint, “Hey man, this is a brand new battery that I’m dropping off. You want me to take that piece of crap?!!”
o Consider today’s camera and laptop battery market . . . . So many sizes; so many capacities. This time it’s the service station operation who explains, “Yea, we got 40 batteries ready to go but none for you. Sorry. Just leave your car and come back in four hours and you’ll be ‘good to go.’”
These issues, and more like them, can all be addressed, possibly, without scientific or engineering breakthroughs. But the answers won’t be simple, fast or cheap.
Remember, “battery” in this context is short for “storage battery.” What you take out running the electric motor needs to be put back in (plus, depending on the battery technology, a little more to make up for some losses).
Think of how much current the motor draws while it propels the car. If you want to (re)charge the battery in 1/10th the time that the motor was running, the input current would need to be 10X the output current.
It’s all nonsense and a game, the technology is here, it exists, it can be cheaply done and implemented.
American ingenuity could lead the world if allowed to.
Forget the man on the moon analogy we are living the boiling frog syndrome.
Our freedom is being cooked out of us.
Think about it, follow the money, who does it benefit the most.
Cut those people off and then you will really see a war
Go ahead, tell them their oil is obsolete.
I dare you.
Then you wonder why our government puts every roadblock possible in the way. Are they protecting from ourselves or just in collusion with other powers.
The reference to the Manhattan Project makes me nuts. We had a Manhattan Project. It worked. We developed a new form of energy.
And you don’t like it.
Wind, solar, bio-mass you bleat.
Get a clue. They are all a lot older than the form of energy invented by Manhattan Project I.
Wind — at least a thousand years. Solar. Ever heard of Archimedes? The photo-voltaic cell was discovered in the 19th Century and explained by Einstein a century ago. Bio-mass. Well, Ogg the cave man began burning bio-mass before … before everything.
There are no huge new discoveries waiting around the corner. Manhattan Project I was it. Check your physics books. The only form of energy that was not in use at the beginning of the 20th century is the one invented by Manhattan Project I.
Instead of spending $100 B/yr. the Federal government should develop a currency to energy program for burning money. The alternatives are burning environmentalists and lawyers, Federal Judges in particular.
We don’t need an R&D program. We need to play the cards we have been dealt. The energy problem is not a scientific problem. It is a political problem.
To Fatcat & SteveG:
I like Fatcat’s idea about battery swapping. I think the battery swap stations should do the battery servicing, too. This would be funded by a surcharge on the swap service and subsidies by the battery companies. On second thought, maybe the battery companies should just run these.
In the meantime, we need to start inventing dilithium crystals for the flying cars.
You badly discount both the Manhattan Project and the Apollo Project.
Although both were led and funded by government, they had very special characteristics. Both projects brought together the best and the brightest of the engineering and physics communities, and animated them to prodigious achievement in quest of a difficult goal.
Neither project was just a simple matter of engineering. Both required the vision to attempt what was not possible at the time – to expect and create technological breakthroughs in a variety of fields in order to meet the goals. Both projects were amazing accomplishments. Of course, since it did involve government, my father, an Apollo researcher, commented that NASA had set a record in how quickly it could build a complex and unresponsive bureaucracy
As for Apollo, it’s downfall wasn’t its lack of economic value. The problem was the lack of follow-on. Once we (Americans) made it to the moon, which was exciting to all of us at the time, we lost interest. The economy was sick, Vietnam had split the nation, and the excitement was gone form the enterprise and the whole country.
While I am not a fan of socializing problem, sometimes government can do good. The DARPA Urban Challenge generated far more creativity (in autonomous vehicles) than it cost [see links]. But what a surprise, DARPA (ARPA) created the internet, also. The NSA was responsible for significant improvements in computing technology. The integrated circuit was developed because it was needed for the Minuteman guidance system. Velcro was but one of many results of Apollo.
John McCain’s battery prize is in the right spirit – it targets one of the most critical issues in alternative energy for transportation. Offer a guarantee of a whole lot of money if someone can achieve an important breakthrough. A big prize for the first man on Mars might likewise be an efficient government expenditure. Furthermore, such a prize is a win-win situation (done right). If the development doesn’t happen, no money is awarded.
DARPA Challenge – Video
Wikipedia:DARPA Challenge”
Fatcat has a great idea. SteveG, I would suggest you consider how you refuel your gas grill, if you have one. You go to the propane station, or these days, more likely you local supermarket or even corner convenience store, you leave your tank, and pick up another.
Having been around a number of brilliant startups, real ground breaking Make The World a Better Place stuff, not one got much past the starting gate despite plentiful capital, first rate business models and planning, top drawer public relations and several projects very, very well connected in the right places in Washington. Each one died as if shot in the back of the head because each threatened an established entrenched interest that had (whatever) market tidily in hand.
It decidedly will take, unfortunately, a massive federal commitment on the scale of a combined operation the size and scope of both the moon shot and the Manhattan Project to produce the right energy alternative in both endless supply, and cheaply purchased by the consumer.
DARPA caused the modern network to be born out of the work of both the Bell System and Alan Turing, by trying to figure out how a C3 structure might be engineered to survive a concentrated, repeated nuclear salvo aimed at burrowing into whatever hardened facility we built as a last resort. Their eventual model was the human brain, which, oddly, can take a massive amount of trauma and still operate. Because … of the uncountable number of individual parts that make up the brain. The brain routes around damage if it has to, and that’s what modern networks do. Instead of a centralized C3, create a vast number of individual nodes and desktops that work in concert in a damage sustainable network and the system can continue to function with one or many of its nodes knocked out.
Vamp this observation into our energy question. What we suffer now is gigantic, thus vulnerable, single point systems. Gasoline comes to my car only from an incredibly fragile yet infinitely complex market system. Any disruption in one of dozens of vulnerabilities causes me grief and soaring costs. That’s the same as the electricity grid. Talk about fragile, it can’t even withstand mere weather, let alone government bureaucracies, guerillas, earthquakes or over-demand. The astonishing waste involved in generating and delivering electricity is hardly to be believed, let alone the meager amount that’s actually delivered at point of use after a substantial portion is lost over the wires just delivering the stuff. And we cannot ‘store’ the product generated. Use it, or its gone.
Surely there’s a better way. A way to create power at the point of use. A way to acknowledge the wisdom of breaking leviathan systems down into millions of interlinked parts so that if any one part goes down, it doesn’t drag the whole kit with it. A way so that I can be independent yet participate in making sure the grid is supplied.
There is a way. Which is why it will probably be the most uphill monumental battle in the history of Man. The damage the Russians were willing to absorb driving to Berlin will seem trivial compared to breaking the grip of addiction marketing by the world’s largest enterprises and kingdoms.
That way is the stand alone hydrogen fuel cell plant at your home. Once the engineering is worked out to get efficient production using two hydrogen molecules from water instead of the four molecule model from methane (natural gas), how about a fuel cell at your home that produces your electricity and your local transportation fuel via high efficiency solar applications? No muss no fuss and no ridiculously vulnerable supply line that can be broken in hundreds of ways, like we’re experiencing now with speculation, asymmetric war, terrorism and politics determining supply and delivery?Let alone the vulnerability of naked pipelines, cracking plants, thousands of fuel bombs driving around delivering the stuff one at a time and the corrosive polluting nature of the fuel itself. And how oil and gasoline corrupt our national political interests and national political character is a hundred times worse than the curse of warlord drug cartels and their dirty political currency. Why not cut this malignancy right out of our national body and be done with it? No foreign policy driven by energy issues. No national political debacles driven by energy issues. No political handcuffs. No crushing household calculus because of energy issues. Just clean, abundant solar driven energy that produces no pollution and can be planted wherever energy is needed.
That’s why it will be fought tooth and nail, as if Armageddon. The number of enemies to your independence and my independence are beyond legion. So much of world cumshaw crosses palms because of our energy dependence. No … one … in that arena is going to allow you or me to become energy independent without a bloody, godawful and costly struggle. Political fortunes will be ruined, political heads will roll and kingdoms would fall.
While I respectfully acknowledge the intellectual capital of this article by Mr. Simberg, I respectfully disagree. For me to enjoy real and lasting energy independence, real freedom like I always believed America was meant to be for its citizens, the federal government (never thought I would say such a thing) will have to go to the mats and muscle a crash project the size of both the moonshot and the Manhattan Project. Nothing less than the sum of concentrated political will at the highest level, like men with their hair on fire will break the suicidal grip of addiction marketing that has its fangs in our national jugular.
I’ve got nothing against oil and gasoline. Nothing quite satisfies like mashing the loud pedal on 500 horses of fuel injected Detroit iron. But what that represents and the mass of men and enterprises that have me in their thrall because of lack of choices is simply unacceptable to me as an American. More than anything else, I resist being forced and coerced. Now that there are alternatives, and damned good alternatives that foster my freedom and my independence, I say balls to the wall for the stand alone, hydrogen fuel cell at the point of use.
And it will take a war to make that happen. Maybe even a shooting war.
Electric car will never happen. But plug-in hybrid
that also can run on flex-fuel, including methanol- will and MUST be a standard.
there is only one realistic solution for oil substitution in transportation fuels:
flex-fuel law.
it should be mandated like sit belts are mandated or dozens of other thing in your car:
car must be designed in a way to run on gas or methanol or ethanol
methanol so far looks the best: could be and IS produced from coal, nat. gas or any biomas including any organic garbage, like waste
cost to produce methanol industrially is several cents a gallon
it is non-cancerogenic which is VERY IMPORTANT
on a tank of methanol you could go only around 1/2 of what u can do on a tank of gas,
but in the future tank capacity can be increased
still 200 miles is not bad
to make your car methanol friendly you need to chanhe materials in fuel line to lass corosive:
on the new car massively produced it is around $20 a car
if you want to make you current car methanol friendly: well, may be $500 or something like that
if your car can run on methanol it can run on ethanol and gas both of witch are less corrosive fuels
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n 1989 President Bush senior said:
On June 12,1989, President Bush addressed his campaign promises to
deal with the pollution problems long facing the United States.
He unveiled an ambitious plan to remove smog from California and the
nation’s most populous cities, as well as efforts to reduce acid rain
pollution. Bush recommended auto makers be required to make
methanol-powered cars for use in nine urban areas plagued by air
pollution. Methanol is the simplest form of primary alcohol and is
commonly called wood alcohol.
Bush called methanol “home-grown energy for America.” He further
proposed a 10 million ton reduction in sulfur dioxide emissions from
coal-burning power plants; that’s a 50% reduction over present
standards. Sulfur dioxide is a major cause of acid rain, which kills
50,000 Americans and 5,000-10,000 Canadians yearly. (Brookhaven
National Laboratory 1986)
William Reilly, chief of the Environmental Protection Agency, at a
briefing before Bush’s speech, estimated the cost of the plan would be
between $14 billion and $19 billion a year after its full
implementation at the turn of the century. Bush said, “Too many
Americans continue to breathe dirty air, and political paralysis has
plagued further progress against air pollution. We’ve seen enough of
this stalemate. It’s time to clear the air.
“And aren’t we in this mess to begin with because our own government has been interfering with the market? It’s like government healthcare. Everyone seems to give a thumbs up for “universal government run healthcare”, ignoring the fact that the current version of our “universal government run healthcare” is a complete fiscal disaster.”
I believe this example of Medicare as a warning about government solutions to problem solving about sums up Gore’s policy suggestions. The idea that central planning will get anything other than more graft and misdirection is just plain dilusional.
BackwardsBoy:
You are the classic example of a midget who whines Bush bashing al day long then blames everything on the liberals.
BDS: the way that Bush lover and other fools react to any criticism of their chosen one by projecting Bush’s faults on their enemies.
Jack MacKenzie, you’re idea is right on the money. Great analysis. I’ve been telling whoever will listen, for 10 years, that the solution to our energy issue is for each home, apartment or condo to have it’s own independent energy system. Probably solar. You’re solution is much better than just solar. Everybody off the grid. It solves almost ALL the inherent problems of our current system. It does not solve the one problem that may keep it from becoming a reality. Entrenched interests. They will fight it until their end.
Thomas:
But does Solar have the capacity to help every home? It seems to me that even the experts on the Democratic party side don’t see solar energy as being anything more than a supplementary force for the next 5 or so decades even with good funding. A small supplementary force at that.
The solution is simple:Open the borders and give each desperate third worlder,a”green visa” eanbling him to stay if he pulls a rickshaw.We could have Algore establish a country-wide chain of ” peon relief stations, every 30miles or so where an exhausted immigrant peon could be replaced by a fresh one.What a great bipartisan plan! We could solve the immigration,fuel,and ecological crises,simultaneously,while providing a steady supply of cheap labor for republicans,and future welfare dependents for democrats!Some of you may argue for pedicabs(they are already in use in New York city.),but rickshaws are greener simpler to make,and provide that multicultural,third world’”je ne sais quoi”,so dear to urban liberals..For those who want something even simpler and greener,there’s the sedan chair(with solar powered windows of course).How about it America? A blob of tofu in every pot,and a rickshaw in every garage,and a green America for all!
“Velcro was but one of many results of Apollo.”
Velcro was no result of Apollo. It was conceived in the 1940s by George Mestral based on his observation of cockleburs and after years of engineering development and some trial and error he received patents for his technology in the 1950s.
http://inventors.about.com/library/weekly/aa091297.htm
http://www.velcro.com/50years/index.php/pages/timeline
But my personal experience in speaking with so-called liberated women bears this out. ,