Comments on: EMPIRE OF THE MULLAHS: Iran’s imperial project in the Shatt al-Arab http://pjmedia.com/blog/empire-of-the-mullahs-irans-imperial-project-in-the-shatt-al-arab/ Thu, 16 Feb 2012 02:44:53 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Morton Doodslag http://pjmedia.com/blog/empire-of-the-mullahs-irans-imperial-project-in-the-shatt-al-arab/#comment-7582 Morton Doodslag Thu, 29 Mar 2007 00:38:44 +0000 http://dev.pajamasmedia.com/blog/empire-of-the-mullahs-irans-imperial-project-in-the-shatt-al-arab/#comment-7582 Muslims know full well that leftists and marxists in the West will believe the version of any story which fits their Marxist ideology, and a poster above conveniently signals his leftist orientation before proceeding... Thanks, pimberg! After reducing the activities in the Straight down to a Marxist argument over controlling the oil, and whitewashing the role of Islam in the motivations of the religious Islamic priests who run Iran, he tells us this : "As far as I could learn the Iraqi commander of the area confirmed the British marines were in Iranian waters" That's only if you read and believe the questionable assertions of a Muslim enemy who is apologizing for another Muslim enemy... Here are some questions for poster "pimberg": Why credit an "Iraqi commander" and completely ignore the repeated assertions of our allies the British who maintain they were well within Iraqi territorial waters? Why dismiss the FACT that had this actually been an incursion of the type described by the Iranians, that the normal way most law abiding nations deal with such incidents is to escort the offending vessels and personell out of the area rather than taking them hostage and parading them on television? What are you, some kind of new age Walter Duranty? How do you explain carrying water for fascist Muslims in Iran who have brazenly attacked and kidnapped Western soldiers, soldiers who are part of our closest allies military? Muslims are fully aware that the pathetic Western-loathing leftists in our society will distort stories and adhere to the Islamic grievance theatre which has become part and parcel of the Islamic Jihad against the West. Wake up, you pathetic fool. Muslim fascists hate radical secular communists as fervently as they do any other type of "infidel". You're not immune simply because you parrot their heinous propaganda, or because your willing to whitewash Islamic fascism out of hand without the slightest clue! Muslims know full well that leftists and marxists in the West will believe the version of any story which fits their Marxist ideology, and a poster above conveniently signals his leftist orientation before proceeding… Thanks, pimberg!

After reducing the activities in the Straight down to a Marxist argument over controlling the oil, and whitewashing the role of Islam in the motivations of the religious Islamic priests who run Iran, he tells us this :

“As far as I could learn the Iraqi commander of the area confirmed the British marines were in Iranian waters”

That’s only if you read and believe the questionable assertions of a Muslim enemy who is apologizing for another Muslim enemy…

Here are some questions for poster “pimberg”:

Why credit an “Iraqi commander” and completely ignore the repeated assertions of our allies the British who maintain they were well within Iraqi territorial waters?

Why dismiss the FACT that had this actually been an incursion of the type described by the Iranians, that the normal way most law abiding nations deal with such incidents is to escort the offending vessels and personell out of the area rather than taking them hostage and parading them on television?

What are you, some kind of new age Walter Duranty?

How do you explain carrying water for fascist Muslims in Iran who have brazenly attacked and kidnapped Western soldiers, soldiers who are part of our closest allies military?

Muslims are fully aware that the pathetic Western-loathing leftists in our society will distort stories and adhere to the Islamic grievance theatre which has become part and parcel of the Islamic Jihad against the West.

Wake up, you pathetic fool. Muslim fascists hate radical secular communists as fervently as they do any other type of “infidel”. You’re not immune simply because you parrot their heinous propaganda, or because your willing to whitewash Islamic fascism out of hand without the slightest clue!

]]> By: Aryamehr http://pjmedia.com/blog/empire-of-the-mullahs-irans-imperial-project-in-the-shatt-al-arab/#comment-7581 Aryamehr Tue, 27 Mar 2007 15:40:49 +0000 http://dev.pajamasmedia.com/blog/empire-of-the-mullahs-irans-imperial-project-in-the-shatt-al-arab/#comment-7581 The organization cited in this report is a known seperatist organization who is willing to do and/or say anything to achieve it's goals. Now there is no doubt that the minority of Arabs in the south of Iran are mis-treated just like the entire Iranian population who live in a prison of 70 million people. This however does not justify PM to legitimize these seperatist organizations. The organization cited in this report is a known seperatist organization who is willing to do and/or say anything to achieve it’s goals.

Now there is no doubt that the minority of Arabs in the south of Iran are mis-treated just like the entire Iranian population who live in a prison of 70 million people. This however does not justify PM to legitimize these seperatist organizations.

]]> By: Winston http://pjmedia.com/blog/empire-of-the-mullahs-irans-imperial-project-in-the-shatt-al-arab/#comment-7580 Winston Tue, 27 Mar 2007 06:56:01 +0000 http://dev.pajamasmedia.com/blog/empire-of-the-mullahs-irans-imperial-project-in-the-shatt-al-arab/#comment-7580 Mr. Brett Are you a citizen of Iran? Mr. Brett

Are you a citizen of Iran?

]]> By: pimberg http://pjmedia.com/blog/empire-of-the-mullahs-irans-imperial-project-in-the-shatt-al-arab/#comment-7579 pimberg Tue, 27 Mar 2007 00:22:45 +0000 http://dev.pajamasmedia.com/blog/empire-of-the-mullahs-irans-imperial-project-in-the-shatt-al-arab/#comment-7579 Since the beginning of the 20th century the British government wants to control the "Shatt Al-Arab" . So I don't wonder when an Iranian government , islamic or not, wants to show that they are as much entitled to control that area as British forces are. Its is still about oil and nothing else. So many books are written about the role of the Brits in the Gulf area but nobody seems to learn from them. (As far as I could learn the Iraqi commander of the area confirmed the British marines were in Iranian waters) Since the beginning of the 20th century the British government wants to control the “Shatt Al-Arab” . So I don’t wonder when an Iranian government , islamic or not, wants to show that they are as much entitled to control that area as British forces are. Its is still about oil and nothing else. So many books are written about the role of the Brits in the Gulf area but nobody seems to learn from them.

(As far as I could learn the Iraqi commander of the area confirmed the British marines were in Iranian waters)

]]> By: daveinboca http://pjmedia.com/blog/empire-of-the-mullahs-irans-imperial-project-in-the-shatt-al-arab/#comment-7578 daveinboca Mon, 26 Mar 2007 22:50:53 +0000 http://dev.pajamasmedia.com/blog/empire-of-the-mullahs-irans-imperial-project-in-the-shatt-al-arab/#comment-7578 How did the Cornwall sit by watching as this kidnapping occurred? What kind of rules of engagement were in effect? Didn't Brit intelligence think that a hostage-grab might be in the works? Whatever happened to the country that stood up to Hitler when the surrender-monkeys turned tail? Are the Brits the new French? How did the Cornwall sit by watching as this kidnapping occurred? What kind of rules of engagement were in effect? Didn’t Brit intelligence think that a hostage-grab might be in the works?

Whatever happened to the country that stood up to Hitler when the surrender-monkeys turned tail? Are the Brits the new French?

]]> By: Morton Doodslag http://pjmedia.com/blog/empire-of-the-mullahs-irans-imperial-project-in-the-shatt-al-arab/#comment-7577 Morton Doodslag Mon, 26 Mar 2007 22:27:46 +0000 http://dev.pajamasmedia.com/blog/empire-of-the-mullahs-irans-imperial-project-in-the-shatt-al-arab/#comment-7577 "Is it because those particular atrocities don't involve the Jews?" from poster above... Or is it because Arabs don't really give a hoot about other Arabs, (as we see clearly across the Arab world with all its endless tribal hatred and strife and murder) but will happily use any plight of any Muslim as a pretext to conduct ther Jihad of hatred against all infidels, be they Jewish, Christian, Hindu, Buddhist, or secular... It's a all a pretext. Nearly all Arab and nearly all Muslim grievances are manufactured pretexts. The entire "Palestinian" lie is a pretext to discredit Israel, and to reclaim Islam's heinous hegemony over the region. History shows us that the reversals of the primitive eating machine known as Islam are few -- Spain and Israel represent a few very successful expulsions of Muslims and Islam from former hegemony. Islam is a war doctrine. It's also a terror doctrine to soften opposition, and enforce its vice-like grip on those captured populations which it claims. It spreads by the sword -- and lives by the sword. It also must be killed by the sword. There will be no moderation of Islam to suit the Westerners. There will be no moderation of Islam to suit the Buddhist Thais. There will be no moderate Islam to suit the Russians, or the Christians of Africa, or the secularists of Europe and Canada. “Is it because those particular atrocities don’t involve the Jews?” from poster above…

Or is it because Arabs don’t really give a hoot about other Arabs, (as we see clearly across the Arab world with all its endless tribal hatred and strife and murder) but will happily use any plight of any Muslim as a pretext to conduct ther Jihad of hatred against all infidels, be they Jewish, Christian, Hindu, Buddhist, or secular…

It’s a all a pretext. Nearly all Arab and nearly all Muslim grievances are manufactured pretexts.

The entire “Palestinian” lie is a pretext to discredit Israel, and to reclaim Islam’s heinous hegemony over the region. History shows us that the reversals of the primitive eating machine known as Islam are few — Spain and Israel represent a few very successful expulsions of Muslims and Islam from former hegemony.

Islam is a war doctrine. It’s also a terror doctrine to soften opposition, and enforce its vice-like grip on those captured populations which it claims. It spreads by the sword — and lives by the sword. It also must be killed by the sword. There will be no moderation of Islam to suit the Westerners. There will be no moderation of Islam to suit the Buddhist Thais. There will be no moderate Islam to suit the Russians, or the Christians of Africa, or the secularists of Europe and Canada.

]]> By: Cromert http://pjmedia.com/blog/empire-of-the-mullahs-irans-imperial-project-in-the-shatt-al-arab/#comment-7576 Cromert Mon, 26 Mar 2007 20:36:01 +0000 http://dev.pajamasmedia.com/blog/empire-of-the-mullahs-irans-imperial-project-in-the-shatt-al-arab/#comment-7576 It's the effed up ROE. BBC asks: What are the rules of engagement in this type of situation? Admiral Sir Alan West answers: The rules are very much de-escalatory, because we don't want wars starting. The reason we are there is to be a force for good, to make the whole area safe, to look after the Iraqi big oil platforms and also to stop smuggling and terrorism there. So we try to downplay things. Rather then roaring into action and sinking everything in sight we try to step back and that, of course, is why our chaps were effectively able to be captured and taken away. More at: <a href=' ' rel="nofollow">http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/6491581.stm</a> It’s the effed up ROE.

BBC asks: What are the rules of engagement in this type of situation?

Admiral Sir Alan West answers: The rules are very much de-escalatory, because we don’t want wars starting. The reason we are there is to be a force for good, to make the whole area safe, to look after the Iraqi big oil platforms and also to stop smuggling and terrorism there.

So we try to downplay things. Rather then roaring into action and sinking everything in sight we try to step back and that, of course, is why our chaps were effectively able to be captured and taken away.

More at: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/6491581.stm

]]> By: Webutante http://pjmedia.com/blog/empire-of-the-mullahs-irans-imperial-project-in-the-shatt-al-arab/#comment-7575 Webutante Mon, 26 Mar 2007 17:43:14 +0000 http://dev.pajamasmedia.com/blog/empire-of-the-mullahs-irans-imperial-project-in-the-shatt-al-arab/#comment-7575 What a terrific teaching moment. The Middle East is like one of our multiplex theaters and it looks like a new movie has just opened for public viewing in a brand new theater. If that's the case, how about a map with some labels so we can continue to grasp the geography and actors here? It sounds a little like the the Spartans plan to hold out against the Persians in the narrow pass in "300." So keep us informed of breaking news as well as bring us up to speed. There are many terms there and in the comments I've never heard before.And thanks. What a terrific teaching moment.

The Middle East is like one of our multiplex theaters and it looks like a new movie has just opened for public viewing in a brand new theater.

If that’s the case, how about a map with some labels so we can continue to grasp the geography and actors here? It sounds a little like the the Spartans plan to hold out against the Persians in the narrow pass in “300.”

So keep us informed of breaking news as well as bring us up to speed. There are many terms there and in the comments I’ve never heard before.And thanks.

]]> By: Michael Steen http://pjmedia.com/blog/empire-of-the-mullahs-irans-imperial-project-in-the-shatt-al-arab/#comment-7574 Michael Steen Mon, 26 Mar 2007 13:44:58 +0000 http://dev.pajamasmedia.com/blog/empire-of-the-mullahs-irans-imperial-project-in-the-shatt-al-arab/#comment-7574 Dave, In the world of satellite comms and the commander's ability to "reach out and touch someone", you can bet a paycheck that the CO of the CORNWALL was on the phone getting permission to take the Iranians out, but was denied. You can also bet that, based upon our (as you so eloquently put it) "effed up rules of engagement", the Iranians knew precisely that would happen. Unless and until we give the commanders on the ground the leeway and room to do their job based upon their judgement and the standing ROE, this will continue to happen - because politicians see war as political, not as a matter of Sailors or Marines' lives. We give these Captains a multi-billion dollar warship and tell them to employ it to the utmost of their personal and professional skills, but second-guess them and preempt them at every turn. Oversight is good, don't get me wrong, but micromanagement drives an organization to ineffectiveness. Dave,
In the world of satellite comms and the commander’s ability to “reach out and touch someone”, you can bet a paycheck that the CO of the CORNWALL was on the phone getting permission to take the Iranians out, but was denied. You can also bet that, based upon our (as you so eloquently put it) “effed up rules of engagement”, the Iranians knew precisely that would happen. Unless and until we give the commanders on the ground the leeway and room to do their job based upon their judgement and the standing ROE, this will continue to happen – because politicians see war as political, not as a matter of Sailors or Marines’ lives. We give these Captains a multi-billion dollar warship and tell them to employ it to the utmost of their personal and professional skills, but second-guess them and preempt them at every turn. Oversight is good, don’t get me wrong, but micromanagement drives an organization to ineffectiveness.

]]> By: Daniel Brett http://pjmedia.com/blog/empire-of-the-mullahs-irans-imperial-project-in-the-shatt-al-arab/#comment-7573 Daniel Brett Mon, 26 Mar 2007 11:18:03 +0000 http://dev.pajamasmedia.com/blog/empire-of-the-mullahs-irans-imperial-project-in-the-shatt-al-arab/#comment-7573 It is interesting that some here refuse to deal with the issues raised by this article and instead want to shoot the messenger. This is typical of the regime's supporters and/or those who hold racist feelings against non-Persian groups in Iran. As for the group I chair, we state quite clearly that we do not support separatism and that we believe in non-violence. Unsubstantiated accusations that we are a "group that supports the efforts of a small and extremely reckless separatist group" are little more than baseless libel that helps serve only the tyrannical regime in Tehran. It is interesting that some here refuse to deal with the issues raised by this article and instead want to shoot the messenger. This is typical of the regime’s supporters and/or those who hold racist feelings against non-Persian groups in Iran. As for the group I chair, we state quite clearly that we do not support separatism and that we believe in non-violence. Unsubstantiated accusations that we are a “group that supports the efforts of a small and extremely reckless separatist group” are little more than baseless libel that helps serve only the tyrannical regime in Tehran.

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