Dumping on the Tea Party
I apparently don’t understand the superior “logic” of leftists and Democrats.
Let’s set up what transpired during and immediately after the debt-ceiling dramatics of the past few weeks.
There have been six primary players:
1. President Barack Obama.
2. Democratic Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid.
3. Unhinged leftists, whose primary goal is headlong expansion of the welfare state and stifling the dissent of anyone who opposes it.
4. Republican Speaker of the House John Boehner.
5. Tea Party activists, whose primary goals are constitutional adherence, fiscal sanity, and a better world for current and future generations.
6. The ratings agency people at Standard & Poor’s (S&P), who entered the fray after the legislative dust had settled.
President Obama’s role consisted of utterly failing to present a plan, pretending that the unsustainable wreckage he presented in February was still a viable plan (even though the U.S. Senate voted it down by a shocking 97-0), and insisting on a “balanced approach.” Translated into harsh experience, a “balanced approach” is defined as: “I get new taxes now for promised cuts later which never materialize,” or in short form: “Business as usual.”
Harry Reid’s role was to offer up nothing substantive until the final days (even that’s being generous), and to ridicule anything passed or under consideration by Boehner’s Republican House majority.
Unhinged leftists jerked around Obama during his alleged negotiations with Boehner, leaving everyone trying to bargain in good faith completely flummoxed.
Boehner’s role was to resist tax increases at all costs, and to put up with Obama’s noncommittal, goalpost-moving method of “negotiating.” Eventually, he threw up his hands, walked away from Obama, and initially tolerated the passage of “Cut, Cap and Balance” (CC&B). If it had become law, CC&B would have reduced projected spending against the Congressional Budget Office baseline by the $4 trillion S&P said was necessary as a demonstration of both political seriousness and long-term financial viability. “Tolerated” may have seemed like a harsh word two sentences ago, but Boehner was recently quoted as saying that he got 98% of what he wanted in the legislation which passed. This is interesting, because tax increases arising from the so-called “super committee” are still not out of the question, and the $63 billion in reductions against the CBO baseline supposedly achieved in fiscal 2012 and 2013 are so puny. Am I to believe he’d be completely satisfied if he had gotten $65 billion?
Tea Party activists championed CC&B. For holding out for a better deal than Boehner’s watered-down rewrite, they were demonized by so-called “friends” the Wall Street Journal, the Weekly Standard, and don’t-get-it types like John McCain. Many activists were and still remain seriously displeased that Boehner — admittedly stabbed in the back by microphone hogs in the Gang of Six and by Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell — so quickly discarded the only coherent plan which had a chance of enabling the country to avoid S&P’s otherwise promised downgrade.
S&P’s role was to review the post-law, post-squabble financial condition of the U.S. and to evaluate its financial viability. Even after “correcting” for an alleged $2 trillion assumption error (which wasn’t), S&P concluded that the nation’s public debt-to-GDP ratio, currently at about 68%, would hit 85% by 2021 using the CBO’s assumptions. The trouble is, those assumptions, which include no substantive interest-rate hikes and economic growth rates of 3% or more in all future years, are wildly optimistic, and S&P knows it — especially given who’s currently running the White House and the Senate. S&P could fairly conclude that if nothing further of a serious nature is done, we’ll be well above the 90% “Maxed Out America” threshold well before 2021. In fact, after it downgraded America’s debt from AAA to AA-plus on Friday, the agency warned that another downgrade might be necessary in the next six months to two years.
Now that I’ve laid out what happened, I’m trying to get my arms around the “logic” that Obama, Democrats, the unhinged left, and their media mouthpieces have unleashed, namely:
• Openly and unprofessionally whining about S&P’s decision.
• In a classic case of obviously orchestrated groupthink featuring David Axelrod, Howard Dean, John Kerry, Moveon.org, and certainly others, referring to S&P’s decision as “The Tea Party Downgrade.”
If given half a chance, the left may start calling the recent double-digit stock market drop “The Tea Party bear market.” Monday evening, Mike Ivey at Madison.com’s Cap Times may have previewed a part of this potential meme when he wrote: “Perhaps the only solace in this latest round of global financial meltdown is that Tea Partiers are losing money, too.”
Of course, the downgrade more than likely would not have happened if Tea Party activists had really gotten their way — which, except perhaps for avoiding tax increases, they mostly didn’t. But it could have been much worse. As Rick Santelli said on Monday after the market’s close: “If it wasn’t for the Tea Party, they’d have passed the debt ceiling thumbs-up, (and) we’d have been rated triple-B.”
You would think that such an obvious pack of lies from the left would have no chance of gaining traction. Think again: According to Rasmussen, they already have 29% of Americans believing that Tea Party members are “economic terrorists.”
This cannot stand. We know who started the fire, we know who fed and worsened it with their failed “solutions,” and we know who is utterly out of ideas. Incredibly, fewer Americans are working full-time now than were when the recession technically ended. Democrats and all too many RINO accomplices have had their way for 30 months, and all they can show for it is a frightening trail of misery.
Democrat Debbie Wasserman-Schultz said not long ago that her party owns the economy. They still do: lock, stock, and barrel. The Tea Party must focus its attention on limiting the damage during the next 17-1/2 months, educate-educate-educate the public, recruit solid candidates who can chase as many hard-leftists and RINO poseurs out of office as possible, and hope against hope-and-change that we really can survive until January 2013.
Mr Blumer .. I’m not sure which is more ridiculous, YOU demanding intellectual honesty from the left ..
or ME commenting on your silliness
Confronting hypocrisy is not silly. The more it is brought in front of the public the better off we all are.
This blog is about mutual perceptions by Left and Right. Except that much of what passes for “the Left” would not have been seen as such in the 20th century. Try this on for size: http://clarespark.com/2009/12/16/perceptions-of-the-enemy-the-left-looks-at-the-right-and-vice-versa/. It is a glossary, vetted by a political scientist, that I compiled after many years on the Left, a region I no longer inhabit, though class interest is still a compelling subject.
Tom, I’m afraid Markh above is right on both counts. More than perhaps he knows.
Intellectual honesty when speaking of the “tear down capitalism at all costs” left, is not merely an oxymoron. The left is neither intellectual nor honest…they are at war. And, seeking to achieve “victory”…by any means necessary.
Are we to believe it was an accident that the small c communists hiding out in Democratic Party drag failed to produce a meaningful budget for the past thousand days?
Are we to believe that current occupant of the Oral Office (slightly different meaning since the last Democrat put his legs up on the desk there)was merely feckless and incompetent in dumping a 97-0 turd in our fiscal punchbowl?
Then following that performance with a series of actions that included a speech that could not be scored, moving the goalposts on an “agreement” that never was, and finally…launching an all out attack on the producers of jobs, stability and wealth in this land of ours?
Soros, Krugman, Van Jones, Jeremiah Wright, Bill Ayers, Heather Bloom, the Midwest Academy, the Cooper Union crowd, Frank Marshall Davis, Barack Obama, Sr., Newsweek, the NYTimes, ….have we not read what these folks think, believe and want to do to capitalism and free market constitutional, Judeo-Chriistian heritage government?
Are we not paying attention to their writings and public statements, the people who shaped, formed and cemented nearly the whole of Obama’s life?
Are we so secure in our slumber that we fail to realize why they are “disappointed” in him? That he did not move fast enough, furiously enough, did not seize enough, did not confiscate enough?
Any and every foil…the Tea Party, George Bush, corporate jet owners, Wall Street, …will be used to disguise the tearing down of the system that is well under way. Seizing healthcare, energy, auto, insurance, banking, …and putting a gun to their heads so that they cannot function…is a feature, not a bug.
Upon whom may we rest our hopes of winning the “message” war with those who mean to tear our free market, constitutional democracy, Judeo-Christian heritage? The Republicans? Don’t make me laugh. The only memorable thing John McCain said in the past three years was reading an ignorant and obnoxious piece of tripe from the Wall Street Journal attacking the very people trying to make Custer’s Last Stand against the onslaught of small c communist destruction.
A half century of lies, distortion and indoctrination have taken their toll. Even masterful “messaging mavens” would have a difficult task overcoming the propaganda machine that is our mass media. The small c communists in Hollywood and academia have a stranglehold on the truth in our pop culture.
We are outgunned. The small c communists disguising themselves as the Democratic Party are engaged in a war…that “our” side refuses to recognize, admit, or challenge.
We are constantly chasing shadows, tilting at windmills, falling into traps and snares. We will not shine a light on them, announce that we know who they are and what they are up to. We tremble at the thought of ripping off their masks and facing them head on.
No, we would rather fight the image they portray, the pretense of a fight against their “misguided” ideas…rather than their malicious ideology.
They are fighting a war…by any means necessary. We are being led by McClellan avoiding the fray and trembling at the thought of engagement. Paper tigers wilting in the rain of the jungle. Our free market, constitutional democracy, our Judeo-Christian heritage is under assault.
By any means necessary.
And we…do nothing. So, let’s sit back, Tom. Let’s fluff up the pillows, hit the snooze button and let the chips fall where they may. We are not made of stern enough stuff on our side of the fence to take on the “by any means necessary” crowd. To unveil their masks, to tear down their propaganda machine, to save this land of ours. We are far, far, far too gentle and benign.
Let them call us every filthy name, let them confiscate our savings, let them apologize for our existence, let them slander our good name. Let’s roll over…and die.
Very well put, cf.
And again – just fabulous (and recognizable) writing.
cfbleachers: Excellent observation. Time (Overdue) for America to steel themselves for real, actual, honest-to-god Change. The P.C. bu!!sh!t that has neutered this nation for the last forty years needs to be ash-canned. Now, as in: today. Too bad if the truth hurts. Hint: if Left-Wingers think last week hurt, than life is about really suck for Commies-cum-Democrats. It’s now or never, folks.
“Are we to believe that current occupant of the Oral Office (slightly different meaning since the last Democrat put his legs up on the desk there)was merely feckless and incompetent in dumping a 97-0 turd in our fiscal punchbowl?”
That’s my theory, all right.
It avoids the need to delve into conspiracy theories or attribute “Manchurian Candidate” type nefarious motives to a guy who is just a putz.
Let’s not elevate Obama to some fantastic super-villain. That’s giving him way too much respect. He’s just a pathetic egotist who has reached his level of incompetence.
We don’t want to be emulating the left here, who are trying to convince themselves that Obama is a “closet conservative” who agreed to much of the Boehner proposal because he secretly agrees with Boehner.
And yet, every move by the “incompetent putz” turns out to be extremely harmful to our nation. What are the odds of that?
Even an “incompetent putz” would find an acorn (so to speak) once in a while. Some decisions made by pure incompetence would have to fall on the + side of the line, just as a matter of chance. They could not all be detructive, as Obama’s have.
It is certainly a high level of incompetence, but the math does not add up. It can only be deliberate.
There is another perspective…The Washington Examiner ran a series of articles under the ‘Who Funds the Democratic Party’ heading. Environmental NGO’s who have publicly stated they want a world govt to protect Gaia from humans, George Soros who in his own words sees the US as the big impediment to a 1-world government, labor unions who openly support Marxism and who are bleeding taxpayers and corporations with their bloated benefits, top bankers who thought they would make trillions trading carbon, all paid for by increased energy costs to every American, and of course the statist media/academy complex mentioned in “Dupes” and other accounts of the Verona Papers harboring communists pledging support to the Kremlin in its push for a world socialist government. It makes sense that this administration is merely representing those who paid for their campaigns and who made the president worth $12 million, according to a report this year. Does it matter why the damage is being done?
Thank you for doing what I hardly ever see done: Listing the names of the backroom gang that run the telebot president.
Now please list the damned McCainer Repubs who lost our country for us while playing Marquis of Queensbury’s rules to the Dems’ Marquis de Sade’s.
The GOP should have stopped working on the debt crisis in the House after they passed the their first bill. Even after the Senate rejected it, they should have just said “we’ve done our work, Harry Reid must do his. When he has a bill he can amend the one passed in the House and we’ll work out the differences in committee. We’re starting work on the 2012 budget.”
One should have forced Reid and the Dems to produce their bill. That was a very, very grave strategic error. Any howling by the Dems would have been met with “His Senate. His majority. His Party. We need his bill.” Then start holding hearings on how much waste, fraud and abuse Obama has been up to with his trillions.
‘Tis why the GOP still has hopes of losing, again, in the Special Committee and, again, in 2012.
The basic problem, again, is politicians feel the need to always be on stage. Had the House removed itself after their bill passed, the only ones left would have been Reid and Obama.
Agreed. Boehnor should have stopped at the passage of the Ryan Plan, and he sure shouldn’t have gone farther than CC&B.
It is the Senate that has steadfastly refused to negotiate under the rules of the House and Senate, instead simply not bringing either bill up for a vote, and not sending anything to conference. By continually negotiating with themselves, the Republicans make themselves look wrong, like they are not following the process, and they are ceding the procedural high ground to that miscreant, Reid.
Nothing budget related should be passed at all until Reid brings either the Ryan Plan or CC&B up for a vote in the Senate.
This is exactly what I and many of my relatives thought. They want to play it that way, than we should too. They’ve been let off the hook way to many times. Most of us are tired of it.
The negotiations on the Republican side left a lot to be desired.
It is usually not going to end well if only one side presents a written proposal, while the other is left to wiggle around without commitment in writing.
The dreadful McConnell proposal was a distraction and another reason the Dems were able to dismiss the House bill– there was an announced Plan B, as though failure of Plan A was expected.
Everybody likes to think of themselves as a negotiator, but few actually are skilled. It was amateur hour on the Republican side, and the proof is in the pudding: A debt “reduction” that adds trillions of dollars to the debt, while allowing the media and the Dems to succesfully blame the Republicans while trashing the Tea Party.
Republicans need to hire professional negotiators. The next such fiasco will cost them dearly in 2012.
For the Democrats to blame the Tea Parties for the S & P downgrade is like a patient getting mad at a doctor when he or she learns that they have syphilis. What’s worse, the doctor knows what the cure is, but the patient refuses to hear about it, let alone accept it. The disease of spending has gone on for years in Congress but has certainly exploded during the Obama administration. It all came to a head during the Obamacare debate, and rightly so. That piece of legislation will certainly bankrupt this country, unless the Supreme Court calls it unconstitutional first.
But what makes me and lots of other Tea Party members really angry is the fact that we have been called so very many names ever since the Tea Parties were created. During the Obamacare debates we were called everything from Nazis, to Brown Shirts, to un-American, and now terrorists and the people “responsible” for the ratings downgrade. This is really pathetic on the part of the Democrats. And what they never, ever, EVER, want to answer is why actually spending less, saving money, and reducing the size of government is a bad thing. When we actually agree and WANT to do the things that S & P is screaming for us to do, why attack us? It’s because the Democrats have no more excuses for what they have done to this country and only have name calling left to offer the American public.
The American government HAS a form of syphilis, called uncontrolled spending, and it is racing through the body of government. Don’t blame us when we are trying to warn the American public that the disease is spreading and how it can be cured.
“For the Democrats to blame the Tea Parties for the S & P downgrade is like a patient getting mad at a doctor when he or she learns that they have syphilis. What’s worse, the doctor knows what the cure is, but the patient refuses to hear about it, let alone accept it.”
Good analogy Libertyship46.
I am not in the TEA party but I support them, at least for now. They are effective at slowing down the run-away train of government spending. That is why there is so much slander aimed at the TEA party coming from the left. One way or another that train is going to grind to a halt. I just hope it does while we still have some money left, and not because the money is all gone. If the TEA party can put a stop to it, I am all for it. My fear is that after that is accomplished, they will adopt conservative social positions. Once the left’s hands are out of our pockets, I dont want the right sticking it’s nose in our bedrooms.
I am convinced that social meddling by the right is the same as campaigning for the left. I blame Obama on the anti-abortion, anti-gay marriage crowd. An average American, wanting to be left alone, has to make a choice about which coercion they find more repulsive; social or economic. All Obama had to do to get elected was let the social conservatives push independants into supporting him.
Could we not make that mistake again? Lets get government’s nose out of our bank accounts, doctor’s offices, bedrooms, garages, kitchens, bathrooms…..etc.
I guess you haven’t been paying attention if you think social conservatives are the ones trying to push their agenda on you. It is liberals who want to dictate what kind of food you eat, what kind of car you drive, what temperature to keep your thermostat, what kind of lightbulbs you can buy, what kind of medicine you will be allowed use, what your kid is taught in school (including non-academic subjects), etc. Your fear of social conservatives seems misplaced.
I guess you haven’t been paying attention if you think social conservatives are the ones trying to push their agenda on you. It is liberals who want to dictate what kind of food you eat, what kind of car you drive, what temperature to keep your thermostat, what kind of lightbulbs you can buy, what kind of medicine you will be allowed use, what your kid is taught in school (including non-academic subjects), etc. Your fear of social conservatives seems misplaced.
The Drug War. Which is not a particularly good advertisement for the “leave us alone” people. BTW I’m still looking for the Drug Prohibition Constitutional Amendment.
It’s the Constitution stupid.
If you “just want to be left alone,” then don’t demand any kind of government recognition (e.g. tax breaks or partner benefits) for whatever domestic arrangement you or others choose to have. Don’t demand that the government officially stamp a man+man relationship or a woman+woman relationship as “marriage,” because that’s government meddling. Don’t demand that churches be forced to “marry” same-sex couples, or that religious agencies be forced to place children for adoption with them.
Nobody is stopping people from sleeping or living or sharing resources with persons of their choosing. What the “gay marriage” lobby demands is a coerced societal redefinition of the most fundamental social institution from time immemorial — along with benefits at the expense of single individuals.
I agree completely. The GOP should have forced Reid & Obama to address the deficit or own any default arising from not raising the debt ceiling. The appointment of John Kerry demonstrates the continuing refusal of the Democrats to address the deficit. The deficit problem cannot be solved by the employment of Mr. Kerry’s only skills: lying, demagoguery and marrying well.
With all due respect, I’m not sure the Dems/MSM are going to recognize logical arguments as an effective pushback to their epithet, a “tea party downgrade”. It’s like trying to reason with a bully. How about flinging a little mud too and there have been fine examples here on PJM and elsewhere.
President Downgrade. OweBama. The Bluffer. Debt Man Walking. Barackolypse Now. Timmy the Tax Cheat wants you to pay more. President Hide-n-Seek. “I was against debt reduction before I was for it.” – President Flip-flop
Those who oppose this administrations horrible economic policies need to engage in a bit of name calling to make the point that we can have that kind of “discussion” or engage in a substantive debate on policy issues. Paul Ryan and others are doing a fine job of asking to see Obama’s plan, in writing. The CBO is doing its job by not scoring speeches. Obama is on the trail, where he will have to make his case for why things will get better in his second term. We await the specifics.
I agree Leigh. Conservatives need to get in the game. Liberals fight for real. They appoint people like Gorelick to a commission which should have been examining her role in the failure to prevent 9/11. They appoint a demagogue like “Tea Party Downgrade” Kerry – a man with no real world experience, who has never paid his own way – to a panel charged with coming up with a plan to reduce deficits. There should be howls of outrage at Kerry’s appointment.
I like Owebama and I like Owebama’s Jon to refer to the sycophantic, moronic cynic who has done his best to poison the well of public discourse. Ridiculing the chief liberal ridiculer is way past due.
Comment 5 was written as a reply to Cedarhill’s comment 3.
If S&P had not downgraded U.S.A. YOU ALL now complaining about blaming the Tea Party would be BRAGGING, SHOUTING TO HIGH HEAVEN HOW BACHMANN STOOD HER GROUND and beat the establishment of both parties.
The Tea Party is being blamed because of foolisah pronouncements all along the way, and Bachman SAYING over and over–I will never vote for an increase in the debt ceiling! All the complicated deals in between, the back and forth, the mass of people can’t keep up with–she MADE herself the “heroine” of this encounter even if many contributed to end result. Queen of intransigence (or steadfastness depending on how you look at it).
If you then consider Ryan’s budget that specifically ended Medicare as it is now at age 55 and reaction Republicans got to that at town meetings when they went home–should have KNOWN that Democrats refusing to give in on Medicare was a plus for them in terms of publicity. Think of what happened to that representative in a NYS district that had been Republican since the Civil War! She got beat over that Ryan budget passing.
Ended up with two immovable forces butting heads so all we got was an inadequate solution anbd S&P called it that way. Not only that, S&P specifically pointed to Simpson-Bowles plan as one that would have meant no downgrade even if they found the process unseemly for a soverign country.
Does not Simpson-Bowles include revenue increases?
Republican Party needs to reign in the Tea Party, and that’s the plain fact, if they want to beat Obama in 2012. If they haven’t got the guts/power to do that, they will have allowed a minority to destroy the party.
Results from Wisconsin last night only add to my argument. Granted they didn’t get the three they needed, but they recalled two and (with one Republican who ended up voting against the Governor) they’ve changed the dynamics of Wisconsin Legislature.
Read the handwriting on the wall for God’s sake. Stop the ideology and the pipedream of getting even with FDR at long last by privatizing Social Security and Medcare — not going to happen. Not going to happen because PUBLIC wants a compromise.
The stock market is going back up today. Are you now going to claim VICTORY for the Tea Party–lay claim to THAT???
You are cherry-picking information and thus, ignoring reality.
The S&P downgrade referred to, not merely the congressional deadlock but the locus of the deadlock- entitlement reform. The entitlements, which take up more than half of the GDP are the key problem in the economy and MUST be reformed. An economy cannot continue to fund a program by borrowing its costs.
The Bowles-Simpson report, which Obama ignored, included entitlement reform.
Are you that naive to think that the only act needed to deal with these massive costs is to increase taxes? That would deprive the productive sector of the economy of the means to INVEST in developing new factories, stores, hire more workers. Money doesn’t come from a magic cauldron. It has to be produced and investment in businesses is the only way.
Ryan’s budget included reforms to these entitlements (medicare and social security); it didn’t end the programs; it reformed them. Do you seriously think they need no reform?
No, the results from Wisconsin don’t prove your point. The GOP retain control of the Senate – despite the massive financial and worker input from the unions, unions, unions…and Democrats into that state. And the left also failed in the Supreme Court nomination process. So, what we know from this event is that the left is going to mount an expensive and vicious fight – but it doesn’t mean they will prevail.
The Tea party is only asking for basic commonsense government: less govt intrusion, low taxes, a balanced budget. What the heck is radical about that?
Well said ETAB.
I suggest the entitlements are more than half the federal budget, not more than half the GDP.
Other than that, good point.
No, it is not true that “PUBLIC wants a compromise.” Half the public wants to expand entitlements and half wants to get rid of them. No one wants a compromise.
Anybody who would call that butt-kicking that the Democrats took in Wisconsin last night a victory is too delusional to merit any further reply.
Sounds like someone is fearful they won’t get their Social Security checks. That’s what the claim of “compromise” is all about. Sounds so reasonable and “adult” but it is really just a smokescreen to hide the “I want my money” sentiment
And Harry Reid just appointed three Democrats to the Super Committee, Patty Murray, John Kerry, (both intellectual lightweights, and that’s being kind in their description), and Max Baucus. It’s plain to see that these Democrats are there to prevent any real substantial cuts in spending.
I have to assume that John Boehner is a reasonably intelligent guy, or he wouldn’t have made Speaker of the House. To me that means he knew he was being snookered AGAIN by the Democrats, and let it happen. It’s time for new leadership in the House.
Screw that! I say, get a Republican majority in the Senate and a Republican president, and KEEP Boehner as Speaker! It’s a ridiculous notion that if we had both chambers and the White House that Boehner would not cooperate.
Boehner 2012!!
Please tell me that you don’t want Boehner to stay.
When Tom Coburn (R, OK) was asked why the repukelicans didn’t let CC&B have its’ day in the sun before getting clotheslined by McConnell, Coburn replied,
Our leadership was lacking”.
That’s Boehner, McConnell, Cantor and the rest.
At the least, we need to dump Boehner and McConnell.
Boehner and McConnell are very much like Obama, Reid, Pelosi,Durbin, et al.
They all are Power Seekers, and they are all LIARS.
The former promised $100 billion in cuts in the continuing resolution, then it was prorated to $33 billion. When it was finalized, it was shown there were almost no real cuts at all. Business as usual. Boehner & McConnell have to go, they are a big part of the problem.
It’s really God’s fault. He’s exacting punishment on the Democrat Party for constantly “ACTING STUPIDLY”.
It doesn’t matter what they say, or what the S&P says, or what the public wants. We are out of money. There aren’t enough rich to fund Obama’s schemes if one took all that they owned. There aren’t enough employed to pay taxes to fund this level of spending.
The government is going to shrink and spending is going to decrease. This can happen with a bang or a whimper, but it is going to happen.
I do think that the obviously orchestrated attacks of blaming the Tea Party for the S&P downgrade are so pathetically ridiculous that most American – specially the Independents – will see through it and end up benefiting the Tea Party
Tom,
It is certainly noteworthy that you put Reid’s sour face on your op-ed. Me-thinks that he is running for the Tom Dashcle award of obstructionist-in-chief. There is a workable parallel between Reid not allowing budgets or fiscal plans to be open to debate on the senate floor, and his not allowing radioactive waste to be deposited in Nevada. Both ploys are about ignoring very dangerous situations to sit in someone elses backyard. Obama gets the blame, which he freely passes on, while Reid facilitates by obstruction. They play,we pay. The ancient Greeks had a good idea to give hemlock to their retired politicians.
Wow – Tom. The bottom line here is presented clearly. And, to make it work, somehow the broad voting public must be made aware of how their darling national media has both hidden (censored from them) 1/2 of the news and views which needed to be presented and lied about much of what they have presented.
I’d add a couple of points:
#6) – S & P had entered the fray back in April of this year – only the national media, the Democratic leadership and the Obama administration looked the other way – business as usual for them – as they restated in their downgrade explanation: “when we assigned a negative outlook to the rating on April 18, 2011.”
The Tea Party, in this current discussion of a smaller government, reducing the deficit and in balancing the budget (via a BBA, etc), is walking around with the populist view (held by a super majority of Americans) as most all polling has long demonstrated – and as recent polling has driven home. Only since the national media is not reporting on their polling results, I’m suspect here, that it is a distinct possibility that this very same majority of American citizens, rather than understanding that they stand in the majority, may feel that they are in a smaller and angrier fringe minority. After all, that is exactly what our national media – enforced by the WH and the Democrat leadership – has been telling them almost daily.
I’m not suggesting that a super majority agree with every view of the Tea Party proper, but that in this current discussion budgets, budget policy, debt ceilings and the S & P rating outcome – the Tea Party is indeed the voice of the people.
May the people find out.
Only then.
It’s really my family’s fault. So painful when family members do the same. Still waiting for an apology. IF it doesn’t happen before the election then I weep for this country. They’ve bought into the secularism & equality gospel NOT the ~God & Liberty~ American Constitution. Who will win?? Wisconsin gives me great HOPE tho! God Bless America.
The BIGGER the government the smaller the citizen. Go TEA Party:)
The manner in which both sides of the political divide are playing this game, I can’t help but wonder which is going to win…and load its enemies on cattle cars to be sent to the camps. Will it be the left? Will it be the right?
Until you embrace freedom and liberty and abandon party ideology, the only possible result will be death and destruction…
At this point, neither side is able to listen to reason or to act responsibly. The outcome is all but assured. The only remaining question is…a small matter of determinung the body count before everyone comes to their senses…if you awaken at all.
This comment makes no sense. Freedom and Liberty ARE the Tea Party “ideology.”
Stop doing the same things, over and over again, while expecting different results.
Has the T.E.A. Party changed the direction this nation is going? Have we returned to our roots as a Constitutional Republic? Has government shrunk in any way, shape or form over the last three years?
Are you, personally, better off since they entered the national arena?
How many politicians has the T.E.A Party elected? How many of those candidates stood by T.E.A. Party stated principles? 30% of them? 60% of them?
Stop doing the same things, the same way…while expecting different results.
I don’t suppose it’s worth pointing out that if the Republicans had remained the fiscally conservative party of small government that there never would have been a Tea Party?
When something cannot continue, namely spending more than you can afford, it stops. All else is blaming the messenger.
Warren, some serious stupidity happening in your brain. How long has the Tea Party been active, about two-three years now? Tell us all how that means they’ve been doing the same old for so long and it doesn’t work? What a droll little troll you are.
Considering that 29% of the public are mind-numbed, reflexive supporters of the Democratic party and whatever its meme of the day might be, I don’t consider the Rasmussen poll on “Tea Party terrorism” to be all that disturbing. We can succeed with the other 71%.
I don’t think the Dems are going to get away with pinning the blame on the Republicans/Tea Party this time, because the blame game is truly the only plan that they have. They entered the debt negotiations without a fiscal plan, but with a political plan only – a plan to orchestrate things so that (with the help of their MSM confederates) they could pin the blame for the economy on those Wascawy Wepublicans. An artifice like that might have some short term effect, but I think it is unlikely to work in the long term. The notion of the Tea Party causing the downgrade and being responsible for any of the current economic disaster is absurd, and I think its absurdity will become increasingly obvious as the next 15 months unfold and the mounting effects of 50+ years of feckless fiscal policy continue to manifest themselves.
The Democrats were handed a serious, serious defeat in Wisconsin last night, under conditions that were about as favorable for them as they’re going to get. If they can’t win in Wisconsin, they’re not likely to win in enough places to succeed in their mischief.
*sigh*
A four letter word from Delia?
Blaming the Tea Party for the S&P downgrade is like blaming Paul Revere for the British Attack on Concord!
January 20 2013 – The End of an Error!
The logic is: (a) make it up; (b) say it; (c) repeat it continuously; and (d) perception become (pseudo) reality. Now that you understand their logic, don’t complain about their tactic which simply exploits basic laws of the universe. Stop repeating their tag line yourself, even in the contect of debunking it. Instead: (a) give the truth a catchy tag line, like O’downgrade or something; (b) say it; (c) repeat it constantly; and (d) make reality reality.
President Downgrade (there’s even a logo!) See chicago boys
I am waiting for my T shirt “Proud Tea Party Terrorist”. I live in a largely D area and am a pistol packin gramma.
A lot of lefties don’t seem to get it.
We don’t want you to borrow any more money, tax any more money, or spend any more money. We want all these things to go down, not up. That’s kind of what this whole Tea Party thing is all bout.
S & P lowered the credit rating of the federal government because its seriously overexteded, and can’t control its spending habits (see above). This is almost entirely the fault of the people (libs and/or Dems) that are trying to blame the Tea Party for their screw up.
And…lefties/Dems are pathological liars. Expecting them to tell the truth about the downgrade (or anything else) is like expecting the sun to rise in the west.
Parents are seen as terrorists to teenagers. I can see perfectly well why the party of Takers (Democrats) are terrorized by the TEA Party; we are the (only) adults in the room spoiling the spending fun. As Joe “the Gaff Master” Biden quipped: “The TEA Party stands as an obstacle to (our) spending”.
Joe (out of the mouths of dopes) you actually got that one right.
We’re catching so much flack, clearly we must be over the target, only one thing to left do: open the bomb-bay doors and let’er rip…
Personally, I blame the legacy media more than anyone or anything else. They were the ones who fiddled over Palin emails and Weiner’s wiener photos while our economy burned.
http://templeofmut.wordpress.com/2011/08/06/kicking-the-can-down-the-road-over-the-cliff/
The Beltway media inserted the “default” into the discussion; the only result of not raising the debt limit most of the tea party participants had anticipated was a government shut down Frankly, between the recent shenanigans of the ATF and EPA, I guess the legacy media felt they needed to stoke the fear and panic even more. Most tea partiers recognized that default would only occur if it were intentionally done.
The legacy media was quick to but tea party-bashers in front of the cameras this weekend, fanning the fuels of hate toward citizens engaging their representatives constitutionally even more. They hardly slowed down when an S&P official said Cap&Balance was the option that would have prevented the downgrade — and yet, the elite media never reported favorably on it. Cap&Balance had the support of many of the tea-party based repesentatives.
Look at London. Listen to the euro-twit say she is looting because of the conservatives. This chaos, violence, and crime is the result of an unchallenged, runaway, leftist media. I fear this is what awaits us, unless the new media and the tea party prevails.
I will hold the legacy media fully responsible if similar violence breaks out and tea-party participants are targeted. I will not forget how awful their coverage on so many topics of key importance to this country has been.
When you raise the point of educate, educate, educate, let me suggest where the starting point might be with an anecdote: This occurred yesterday, at a college classroom. The class is Government II. The professor asked the students if they knew what it meant when politicians suggested “means testing Social Security.” Only one student raised their hand. That was a classroom of 20 students.
It is possible for Democrats to spin that issue in any direction they wish, and to scare people with that issue, if people do not understand so simple a concept.
This is why it is so easy to demonize the Tea Party as well. People do not understand basic economic terms. When people say they want balanced budgets and someone else says that will mean that they’ll take away Granny’s Social Security, they have to believe the person they know. Unless the Tea Party explains these issues in a way that a child of 10 could understand, they’ll never get traction with the general population.
People do NOT understand that we do not have a trust fund to pay for Social Security. They do not understand that that the Discretionary Budget could remain exactly the same, but the budget will increase because more and more people are moving onto Social Security and using Medicare, and there is no secret bank vault with funds to pay anyone. People do not understand what I mean when I describe the budget as discretionary and non discretionary!
What is collected in Social Security is paid out in the same year to people who are receiving benefits, and we are now paying out more than we are taking in — which wasn’t the case a few years ago. With the economy worsening, many people are choosing to retire early, so the Social Security rolls are increasing. This is part of the reason why we needed to borrow money sooner than we expected, and will need to borrow more money again, sooner than we expect. We could tax the wealthy at 100% and it would not be enough to cover what is needed to cover the shortfall in Social Security. Unless we get a handle on this, unless we change Social Social and Medicare… means testing it, raising the age that someone can receive benefits (but not those currently receiving, or anyone who would be destitute if their benefits were taken from them), then we will have this conversation for 100 years. The problem is with these entitlement programs… and the addition of Obamacare only worsens the problem.
When people say “I paid in and I want back what I paid in” then we have a serious problem. They do not understand that the government is “me” not “them,” and that they allowed the government to fritter away the monies collected on their behalf. Every citizen is responsible for what our government has done on our behalf. I may not have voted for Obama, but as we are a Democratic Republic, I have to accept the burden of the mess created by the folks who did vote for him. I have to accept the burden of the mess created by all the Democratic Congresses who allowed Fannie and Freddie to create the housing bubble and burst too. Those of us who knew the misery these things would cause, who voted against candidates who would do these things STILL have to bear the burden of the clean up. It sucks, but that’s what happens in a Democratic Republic. If we don’t accept that, then we have a serious problem with what it means to be a free, accountable citizen. I can accept it, or I can leave. We might be shouting like crazy and called all sorts of names, but we’re used to that. This time, however, we’re going to shout a lot louder!
Unfortunately, all our predictions have come true. We told folks what would eventually happen, but they didn’t listen. Now it is a huge mess to clean up and it will be decades of austerity measures before we’re back on track.
Unless we educate, educate, educate that the primary directive of the Federal government is NOT entitlement programs and we restore these functions, as much as possible, to the states (and the collection and distribution of the welfare payments) then we will never be able to get a handle on this. We need to be willing to accept incremental steps to restore our government to the one designed by the Founders and gradually eliminate the programs and institutions that are no longer needed and ones we cannot afford. But we can’t do it all at once – we have to show the American people that we can live without them at the Federal level, and if they want them, they can petition their states to pay for them.
And once we get everything cleaned up, once the machinery of government is in working order again, the Democrats will come along and start promising the people bread and circuses and the whole thing will start over again, but that’s not our problem. We’ll have done our job, and that will be the problem of our great grandchildren.
Just what is the TEA Party’s position on Social Security?
Do they want to preserve it; make major modifications to it; or replace it with something else.
I suspect Tea Party wants to keep SS from bankrupting us. We saw what happened when GHW Bush was president, and SS taxes increased. That extra money is gone, taken by an insolvent government and spent on something else.
Now, we need to not increase SS taxes, and cut outgoes, in some reasonable manner.
Increasing the age at which people can draw is part of the answer.
Decreasing the amount which people can draw is part of the answer.
I would personally like SS to become voluntary. If it is a good deal, then people will sign up for it. If it is a bad deal (as it is now) then people should be free to not sign up. In between there should be a way to stop paying in, and keep the promise of (reduced) pay out.
SS as currently promised is dead, because the government made bad promises to people and took their money by threat of force, using the promises as justification.
Mrs. Du Toit’s analysis/comment (23) was brilliant. We really do have problems and they come from a lack of understanding of key facts by the body politic and the MSN is doing nothing to educate the people about the truth.
The MSM are largely innumerate. Mrs. du Toit’s comment is fabulous. Even better than her name.
According to all polling data I have seen, the public does not have a favorable opinion of Democrats or Republicans. Polling data also states the public thinks they are mostly crooks or looters. Who I ask is the new group in town hated by both the Democrats and RINO Republicans. What group is despised by both aforementioned groups of statists/elitists that feel their stranglehold is threatened? Nuff said.
The American people are now voicing their opinion. Its by voting with dollars. They are pulling every cent they can out of the Stock Market. The Stock Market is the best barometer of the the people. When it goes South usually the economy follows. Even with zero interest rates, nobody is going to invest. Thank you Mr.Obama for your business as usual and to the Republican party which caved in on their principles. Prediction, since US treasuries are no longer the safest investment, the Chinese will take their money and buy this country at bargain rates. We’d better learn to speak Mandarin.
First, the MSM, e.g. Anderson Cooper, called the Tea Partiers sexual perverts. Then, many others called them racists. There was no evidence of racism on their part, but it’s been a long, long time since people who charged racism felt any need to substantiate it. Recently, the Democrats and the MSM have been calling them kidnappers and terrorists, which is a comical thing to say people who have never kidnapped anybody or committed any terrorism. The only real terror here is that of the liberal establishment in both MSM and government, who discover that their power is rapidly ebbing.
The pejorative term “teabaggers” was invented by Rachel Maddow of MSNBC(and promptly adopted by millions of gleeful lefties).
I’m surprised she even knew the term, given her own sexual orientation.
Rachael Maddow has writers…with a personal knowledge of certain perversions.
She wasn’t the one who started calling them tea baggers, but certainly got a chuckle out of it when they adopted the name for themselves
Dereliction of duty is a specific offense under United States Code Title 10,892. Article 92 and applies to all branches of the US military. A service member who is derelict has willfully refused to perform his duties (or follow a given order) or has incapacitated himself in such a way that he cannot perform his duties. Incapacitation includes falling asleep while on-duty; getting drunk and being unable to perform his duties; or vacating his post contrary to regulations. Article 92 also applies to service members whose acts or omissions rise result in criminally negligent behavior. If this is the standard set for our volunteer military, it should be the same standard held for those in DC as well. Also I am not a white man. So, this just shows you they will always use class to divide and conquer as a strategy. Rich versus poor, and so on…
“Happiness and moral duty are inseparably connected.” George Washington
Dereliction of duty is a specific offense under United States Code Title 10,892. Article 92 and applies to all branches of the US military.
Is the Commander-in-Chief considered a serving member of the US military? Obama has never done a moment of military service in the conventional way but hasn’t he been the Commander-in-Chief since his inauguration? Could he be charged with dereliction of duty?
I wonder who in the Armed Forces would have the authority to arrest him and prosecute the charges?
America, it was nice while it lasted.
When America falls, freedom fails and the world collapses.
Hate and rail against ‘capitalism’ all you want, but it was the only true freedom that made the USA a leader. Once we started implementing socialism via other countries who need our ‘help’ to even keep their socialist schemes, we found out that our ‘buying votes with food-stamp cards’ can only last so long.
Get ready to survive, people.
My opinion of the Tea Party movement is based on observation since it began. I am a moderate and my objection to the Tea Party is their cconnection with far right religious views and that they do not speak with one voice. I was disgusted with their support of Angle in Nevada and the woman in Delaware. They seem to think their religious views trump every other consideration. Had it not been for their everlasting support of those two women, we would probably have had at least two more senators and a better chance of getting a bill through the senate. When the idea of the Tea Party first surfaced and was about fiacal conservatism, I supported it. When complaints are made about the Tea Party, the answer is that the groups are independent. If so, they have, themselves, weakened support for them.
I see the left has managed to conflate the Tea Party, which I understand to stand for nothing but fiscal conservativism, with the religious right.
Confused, or troll?
I vote “troll”
Donna – What is a moderate? Is it someone who is unsure of what they stand for or someone who is willing to compromise on a plan even if the idea is unprincipled, immoral or unjust? I have never heard, or seen or read of any Tea Party person preach or force religion to/on anyone. Do many believe in God? I certainly hope so. Did the majority of this nations founding fathers believe in God? I think most did. Why would you be disgusted with Tea Party support of Angle and O’Donnell? Is it because they are conservative women or aren’t the perfect candidate? By the way, we already have Republican Senator(s) who could have potentially stopped Obamacare…but didn’t because they were, that’s right moderate.
You say, “When complaints are made about the Tea Party, the answer is that the groups are independent. If so, they have, themselves, weakened support for them.”
That seems to be the beauty of the Tea Party to me. Groups that are independent that share common values. That’s what makes them strong. They don’t need a ringmaster. You either see where this country is headed, understand why, and get it, or you don’t.
Donna…You’re absolutely correct! The Christian Coailition rebranded themselves as the Tea party. In all fairness, that is NOT how and why the ‘original’ tea party movement started. They evolved with lots of help, into a puppet for both the Christian Coailition and the Libertairan/anrchists.
Stand the ground!
This “libertarian/anarchist” (seriously?) would make common cause with TEA Partiers, no doubt, to get a smaller government. Hell, I’d make common cause with Ol’ Nick hissownself. I suspect he’s on the side of big, intrusive government though.
Prostitutes will sleep with anybody to achieve their self severing motives….just like the democrats and their socialist progressives and the new generations of the GOP with their Libertarian/Anarchists and the Christian Coailition-TeaParty. Thats why the nation is where it is today!
Another stupid left-wing troll. Nobody else hates religious people this much.
Any remaining shreds of dignity and relevance maintained by the British Broadcasting Corporation went “pfffft” when I heard one of their commentators equate the rioting looters in London, Liverpool etc with “the American Tea Party.” I have seen several Tea Party rallies and for the life of me I can’t ever remember any of them violently attacking a Best Buy, carrying off Blackberries and plasma TV’s and then burning the place down. Maybe I missed something in the coverage.
Seriously – It’s no wonder that the British public is the way it is after nearly eighty years of the smarmy and cowardly elitism that is the BBC. I suppose that also applies to our own “elite media.”
The fumings from the left are no more than expressions of outrage from the Insiders ferful that their privileged perches are at risk. Consider the reactiion just the screechings of the neo-aristocrats — see first sentence, Federalist No. 57, which refers to the “ambitious sacrifice of the many, to the aggrandizement of the few.” To end such aggrandizement is, or should be, what the Tea Party Movement is all about.
Be heartened: See the Coolidge Inaugural Address –
“The men and women who toil are the ones who bear the cpst of the government. Every dollar that we carelessly waste means that their life will be so much the more meager. Every dollar that we prudently save means that their life will be so much the more abundant. Economy is idealism in its most practical form…. The collection of any taxes which are not absolutely required, which do not beyond reasonable doubt contribute to the public welfare, is only a species of legalized larceny.”
I was just so happy to hear when Speaker of the House John Boehner announced that he got 98% of what he wanted from the debt ceiling deal. I assume that the top 2% of this country are enjoying their tax cuts as we speak right now. I wonder if they are making lots of money on Wall Street lately after this debt ceiling deal? Hmmmmmmm.
I agree with you on this, Dave. It is the utmost importance that the top 2% of this country are enjoying their tax cuts at this point. Nothing else should matter. I also send them all my happiness and hope that they are reaping in all that they deserve. You just gotta love America and the Tea Party. God bless all of their souls.
during 2007, the top 1 percent had actually paid more in federal income tax than the bottom 95 percent.
So how much should they pay? Should 1% pay twice as much as the bottom 95%? Three times as much?
Tea Party Downgrade??? But, but, but, but look what they inherited!
There’s only one way to stop this madness, round up as many liberals as you can find and nail all their tongues to the same 2X4.
LOL! Thank you, I needed a good laugh.
Amazing how TeaParty Christian values like that can be so entertaining to so many!
Such a sad, hate filled little troll.
The problem with turning opinions Among my friends who are leftist and left leaning independents stems from their observations on the street. They are not and will never be theorists. So when the right delivers an incremental improvement like the Bush tax cuts or the debt deal or a cut to the mohair subsidy or a cut to the ethanol subsidy but things don’t seem to change except on some chart, they severely discount the veracity of conservative principles. In fact, a one step forward, two step back series of events, like the Bush tax cuts followed by the ’08 recession and the banking collapse will have them place all the blame on the tax cut. Nevermind the esoteric facts. That’s BS to them. They don’t get it. We can’t expect to fill the cup by piddling in it while standing in a hurricane. If conservative leadership believes their press and their principles they are going to have to be brave and be bold. That is why Boehner and McConnell had a five star train wreck with the debt deal. I am not even convinced they, conservatives, want it that way;a constant tension, shared power, no real change.
Harry and his leftist buddies know the Tea Party is actually an enormous number, still increasing in droves, of concerned citizens screaming for the
congress to” put a cork in it” and stop spending/pay down the debt.You don’t stop a runaway, off the tracks, train by comprise…you demand or slam on the brakes. Leftist rationale prescribes the disregarding of all contrary ideas or comments. So we had best find a way to gain a senate majority and the white house.It saddens me that we have arrived at this political impasse in my lifetime.
Spouse runs up credit card.
Credit rating drops.
Spouse blames partner for not getting second job.
“educate-educate-educate” Yes but education requires the student’s enthusiastic participation in the process and therein lies the problem. The Left knows it, takes full advantage of it while all the “educators” seem able to do is stand by and watch the debacle of ignorance unfold. Nobody is listening. The inattentive, mindless crowd rules and the Leftist media cabal are in full control of the sound and video bites. Sarah Palin is a mindless twit, the Tea Party is a radical, violent organization of Right Wing fanatics, Michelle Bachman…….well, you get the picture. But Obama is cool, sophisticated, accomplished, a leader, so smart it’s nearly impossible to comprehend the nuances and subtleties behind the brilliant, glorious intentions he has for his beloved America, etc., etc., etc…..you get that picture too.
Sometimes I chat with liberals online. When I mention that I am a Tea Party activist, they immediately accuse me of being an Obama-hating racist. When I inform them that I am a black American, they are stunned into silence. They just don’t get it. Many black Tea Party activists are small business entrepreneurs who are disgusted with all the regulation and red tape that deliberately tries to prevent us from making a profit. That’s why so many of us have joined the Tea Party. We intend to get rich and stay rich, whether Obama and his communist masters like it or not. It’s not about race and never has been. It’s about fighting economic tyranny and preserving the American Dream for future generations.
Appreciated the gist of your comment!
However, one should take a very long look at so many immigrants of the most modern times who have/continue come here and on shoe sting budgets creating businesses in which they grow into successful economic ‘networks’ across America. Try discussing the government regulations they follow, the taxes they pay…and you’ll get a blank stare. Heck, have a discussion with them on individual freedoms!
Talk to a single American of any socio-economic level and he/she will consume a whole month of your time announcing only their complaints with America.
Thank God for the Jessica’s of this country!! I know for a fact there are more of us than them and it’s time to get rid of the old and I mean everyone who have been in there for the last 20 freakin years. Enough of the Boehner’s who cry at the drop of a hat and drunk lead, enough already. There is no way we are going to let these dumbbastards destroy again, screw that! I want to blow the brains of all these freaks, vote Palin 2012
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The Tea Party Serves Notice
The American tea party movement, the Tea Party, the TPM, was founded on two guiding emotions, frustration and fear, frustration with how governments regard and treat the governed, fear that our leaders and the taxation they imposed were out of control and driving us into bankruptcy.
Both feelings have been proven well-grounded in recent weeks as illustrated by the farcical debt ceiling agreement with its obvious cop-out, the superduper committee, the subsequent Standard and Poors credit downgrade, and the unprecedented stock market upheaval.
The Tea Party arose initially in 2009 as a populist reaction to mindless bailouts, ineffectual stimuli, and an unconstitutional government takeover of health care but has evolved into much more than the Taxed Enough Already Party, as some wags have labeled it. The Tea Party has aroused fear in the liberal hearts of misplaced RINOs in the Republican Party and in the quaking, lost souls of spendthrift Democrats.
Demonstrating that fear, the Left has adopted a policy of demonizing Tea Partiers and their movement as seen most recently by our odd vice president describing them as terrorists, then apologizing for that calumny knowing full well the terrorist label will stick and the apology will soon be forgotten.
Then, some shrink on the leftist MSNBC termed the Tea Party angry, delusional, potentially violent idealists and compared them to the Norwegian mass murderer Anders Breivik all because they want fiscal sanity in a vast sea of financial dementia. (http://bit.ly/qj2TPT)
Talk about insanity!
Senate Majority Leader Reid was no less out of touch when he predicted the Tea Party would fade away like old soldiers and “will lose a number of seats next year.” Poor Harry has apparently forgotten the TPM only came into its own in 2010 with the conservative avalanche in Congress and refuses to acknowledge that, after two years its supporters have surpassed the number of liberals in the nation.
That latter, chilling news for Dems comes to us via Gallup polls conducted July 27 and August 2. Gallup announced yet another stake through the liberal heart in earlier polls which found that 41% of Americans consider themselves conservatives versus 21% still foolish enough to admit to being liberals. . .
(Read more at http://www.genelalor.com/blog1/?p=5206)
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