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		<title>By: Bob Belvedere</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/blog/drunkblogging-the-big-obamacare-speech/#comment-394782</link>
		<dc:creator>Bob Belvedere</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Sep 2009 23:15:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Quoted from and linked to at:
http://www.thecampofthesaints.com/2009.09.06_arch.html#1252593923065</description>
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		<title>By: Vasio</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/blog/drunkblogging-the-big-obamacare-speech/#comment-394741</link>
		<dc:creator>Vasio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Sep 2009 21:16:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is what you people are fighting for-- The Conflict theory which is based upon the view that the fundamental causes of crime are the social and economic forces operating within society. The criminal justice system and criminal law are thought to be operating on behalf of rich and powerful social elites, with resulting policies aimed at controlling the poor. 

The criminal justice establishment aims at imposing standards of morality and good behavior created by the powerful on the whole of society. Focus is on separating the powerful from have nots who would steal from others and protecting themselves from physical attacks. In the process the legal rights of poor folks might be ignored. 

The middle class are also co-opted; they side with the elites rather the poor, thinking they might themselves rise to the top by supporting the status quo. So you continue to support the status quo!!!

That is why small crimes, even minor monetary ones are routinely punished quite severely, while large scale financial and business crimes are treated much more leniently. Theft of a television might receive a longer sentence than stealing millions through illegal business practices. 

Therefore modern capitalist societies were controlled by a wealthy few who controlled the means of production while everyone else was reduced to the lot of being wage laborers. 

From this perspective, certain types of crime take on a different character. Stealing can be seen as an attempt to take away from the rich. 

This gives us the materialist view of history starts from the premise that the most important determinant of social life is the work people are doing, especially work that results in provision of the basic necessities of life, food, clothing and shelter. 

SO #100 M. SIMON you know economics???
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In America for ceturies there has been Economic exploitation which ultimately leads directly to political oppression, as owners make use of their economic power to gain control of the state and turn it into a servant of economic interests. Police power, for instance, is used to enforce property rights and guarantee unfair contracts between capitalist and worker. Oppression also takes more subtle forms: religion serves capitalist interests by pacifying the population; intellectuals, paid directly or indirectly by capitalists, spend their careers justifying and rationalizing the existing social and economic arrangements.  

Finally, (my hands are tired) the economic structure of society molds the superstructure, including ideas and the social institutions that support the class structure of society for example--the state, the educational system, the family, and religious institutions--. 

Because the dominant or ruling class controls the social relations of production, the dominant ideology in capitalist society is that of the ruling class. Ideology and social institutions, in turn, serve to reproduce and perpetuate the economic class structure. 

So you have those capitalist then you have a Democracy.  So thats Capitalism and Democracy.

You have &quot;THE PEOPLE&quot; yelling Democratic Principle to tackle issues, Then You have the Capitalist using democratic principle to solve capitalistic problems... Because Capitalist can never just be said to be capitalist!!

Hope this helps everyone... 

Class Dismissed!.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is what you people are fighting for&#8211; The Conflict theory which is based upon the view that the fundamental causes of crime are the social and economic forces operating within society. The criminal justice system and criminal law are thought to be operating on behalf of rich and powerful social elites, with resulting policies aimed at controlling the poor. </p>
<p>The criminal justice establishment aims at imposing standards of morality and good behavior created by the powerful on the whole of society. Focus is on separating the powerful from have nots who would steal from others and protecting themselves from physical attacks. In the process the legal rights of poor folks might be ignored. </p>
<p>The middle class are also co-opted; they side with the elites rather the poor, thinking they might themselves rise to the top by supporting the status quo. So you continue to support the status quo!!!</p>
<p>That is why small crimes, even minor monetary ones are routinely punished quite severely, while large scale financial and business crimes are treated much more leniently. Theft of a television might receive a longer sentence than stealing millions through illegal business practices. </p>
<p>Therefore modern capitalist societies were controlled by a wealthy few who controlled the means of production while everyone else was reduced to the lot of being wage laborers. </p>
<p>From this perspective, certain types of crime take on a different character. Stealing can be seen as an attempt to take away from the rich. </p>
<p>This gives us the materialist view of history starts from the premise that the most important determinant of social life is the work people are doing, especially work that results in provision of the basic necessities of life, food, clothing and shelter. </p>
<p>SO #100 M. SIMON you know economics???<br />
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In America for ceturies there has been Economic exploitation which ultimately leads directly to political oppression, as owners make use of their economic power to gain control of the state and turn it into a servant of economic interests. Police power, for instance, is used to enforce property rights and guarantee unfair contracts between capitalist and worker. Oppression also takes more subtle forms: religion serves capitalist interests by pacifying the population; intellectuals, paid directly or indirectly by capitalists, spend their careers justifying and rationalizing the existing social and economic arrangements.  </p>
<p>Finally, (my hands are tired) the economic structure of society molds the superstructure, including ideas and the social institutions that support the class structure of society for example&#8211;the state, the educational system, the family, and religious institutions&#8211;. </p>
<p>Because the dominant or ruling class controls the social relations of production, the dominant ideology in capitalist society is that of the ruling class. Ideology and social institutions, in turn, serve to reproduce and perpetuate the economic class structure. </p>
<p>So you have those capitalist then you have a Democracy.  So thats Capitalism and Democracy.</p>
<p>You have &#8220;THE PEOPLE&#8221; yelling Democratic Principle to tackle issues, Then You have the Capitalist using democratic principle to solve capitalistic problems&#8230; Because Capitalist can never just be said to be capitalist!!</p>
<p>Hope this helps everyone&#8230; </p>
<p>Class Dismissed!.</p>
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		<title>By: FREE</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/blog/drunkblogging-the-big-obamacare-speech/#comment-394731</link>
		<dc:creator>FREE</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Sep 2009 20:41:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>200 years ago he would be swinging already.
Does anyone remember how America got started?
Its was started because of people like 0bama not for them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>200 years ago he would be swinging already.<br />
Does anyone remember how America got started?<br />
Its was started because of people like 0bama not for them.</p>
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		<title>By: FREE</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/blog/drunkblogging-the-big-obamacare-speech/#comment-394729</link>
		<dc:creator>FREE</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Sep 2009 20:36:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thomas Douglas, the father of the communist healthcare system in Canada did the same thing as the &quot;big 0&quot; to push his agenda thru. All &quot;tommy the commie&quot; did was to repeat the same thing over and over until the house of commons said yes just to shut him up. Does no one learn? Can&#039;t anyone look at history and see where the usurper from Kenya is taking America? Everyday he is holds the reins of Americas government, changing freedom into serfdom, citizenry into subjugation is one more day in socialist HELL. How much MORE America, how much?

Oh and Joe is right he is a lying scumbag.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thomas Douglas, the father of the communist healthcare system in Canada did the same thing as the &#8220;big 0&#8243; to push his agenda thru. All &#8220;tommy the commie&#8221; did was to repeat the same thing over and over until the house of commons said yes just to shut him up. Does no one learn? Can&#8217;t anyone look at history and see where the usurper from Kenya is taking America? Everyday he is holds the reins of Americas government, changing freedom into serfdom, citizenry into subjugation is one more day in socialist HELL. How much MORE America, how much?</p>
<p>Oh and Joe is right he is a lying scumbag.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott E</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/blog/drunkblogging-the-big-obamacare-speech/#comment-394712</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott E</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Sep 2009 20:07:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Joe Wilson&#039;s outburst will be forgotten by Friday afternoon.
He&#039;ll one day be remembered as a truthteller in this mess.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joe Wilson&#8217;s outburst will be forgotten by Friday afternoon.<br />
He&#8217;ll one day be remembered as a truthteller in this mess.</p>
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		<title>By: Meryl</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/blog/drunkblogging-the-big-obamacare-speech/#comment-394685</link>
		<dc:creator>Meryl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Sep 2009 19:11:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Even those who want to pretend they are just so nice (so much nicer that the rest of us) that they are willing to talk it through, one more time, and keep talking to little barry until he wins....need to keep in mind: you can&#039;t negotiate with a liar.

Joe Wilson was right.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Even those who want to pretend they are just so nice (so much nicer that the rest of us) that they are willing to talk it through, one more time, and keep talking to little barry until he wins&#8230;.need to keep in mind: you can&#8217;t negotiate with a liar.</p>
<p>Joe Wilson was right.</p>
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		<title>By: Calvin Ball</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/blog/drunkblogging-the-big-obamacare-speech/#comment-394649</link>
		<dc:creator>Calvin Ball</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Sep 2009 17:55:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;His was a strategy of “tell them what they want to hear”, and make sure you add a lot of wiggle room. Use present tense when your audience thinks you’re talking about the future. Dazzle them with weasel words.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Obama has been more successful than any black politician in the past, because he talks like a white radical. People like Jackson and Sharpton, and Jones and Wright just come out and tell you to your face what they&#039;re thinking. They&#039;ll never get anywhere doing that. Obama plays his cards a lot closer to his vest, and talks in broad generalities and euphemisms, more like Ayers and Holdren. 

What you&#039;re hearing is radical doublespeak. It&#039;s like Arafat&#039;s nicey-sounding speeches, that mean something very different in Arabic. Obama is a lot more like Ayers than Jones. He&#039;s learned the Alinskyite art of mumblemarxism.

It&#039;s not very effective in presidential speechifying, however. And he&#039;s (and Axlerod, etc.) not smart enough to adapt methods. What you heard was the banality of poorly encrypted new-age Marxism.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>His was a strategy of “tell them what they want to hear”, and make sure you add a lot of wiggle room. Use present tense when your audience thinks you’re talking about the future. Dazzle them with weasel words.</p></blockquote>
<p>Obama has been more successful than any black politician in the past, because he talks like a white radical. People like Jackson and Sharpton, and Jones and Wright just come out and tell you to your face what they&#8217;re thinking. They&#8217;ll never get anywhere doing that. Obama plays his cards a lot closer to his vest, and talks in broad generalities and euphemisms, more like Ayers and Holdren. </p>
<p>What you&#8217;re hearing is radical doublespeak. It&#8217;s like Arafat&#8217;s nicey-sounding speeches, that mean something very different in Arabic. Obama is a lot more like Ayers than Jones. He&#8217;s learned the Alinskyite art of mumblemarxism.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not very effective in presidential speechifying, however. And he&#8217;s (and Axlerod, etc.) not smart enough to adapt methods. What you heard was the banality of poorly encrypted new-age Marxism.</p>
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		<title>By: barbara</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/blog/drunkblogging-the-big-obamacare-speech/#comment-394623</link>
		<dc:creator>barbara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Sep 2009 16:55:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All I can say is it&#039;s time for all of to go John Galt.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All I can say is it&#8217;s time for all of to go John Galt.</p>
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		<title>By: The UnPatriot</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/blog/drunkblogging-the-big-obamacare-speech/#comment-394532</link>
		<dc:creator>The UnPatriot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Sep 2009 15:01:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>102. Anonymous:
&quot;...his big fat ignorant southern maw last night...&quot;

Bit of an elitist bigot aren&#039;t we?

--The UnPatriot</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>102. Anonymous:<br />
&#8220;&#8230;his big fat ignorant southern maw last night&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>Bit of an elitist bigot aren&#8217;t we?</p>
<p>&#8211;The UnPatriot</p>
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		<title>By: David W. Lincoln</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/blog/drunkblogging-the-big-obamacare-speech/#comment-394531</link>
		<dc:creator>David W. Lincoln</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Sep 2009 15:01:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anonymous, what do you have against government being accountable to more than the citizens?  Rachel Peepers, in her long comment @72 gave a long
list of the whoppers told by Barack the Liar, aka Adolf Obama.  She accepts more than one entity holding Agent Zero and his zombies accountable.  So, why are you so minimalist compared to her, and me?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anonymous, what do you have against government being accountable to more than the citizens?  Rachel Peepers, in her long comment @72 gave a long<br />
list of the whoppers told by Barack the Liar, aka Adolf Obama.  She accepts more than one entity holding Agent Zero and his zombies accountable.  So, why are you so minimalist compared to her, and me?</p>
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