‘Drill, Baby Drill’? Not Hardly
Everything you need to know about President Barack Obama’s feelings regarding fossil fuels was on display at Andrews Air Force Base on Wednesday, when he made the triumphant announcement that the federal government was opening large tracts of ocean to offshore oil drilling.
There our president stood, enthusiastically detailing his plan to help make us energy independent, in front of one of the most lethal machines of war ever conceived by man — the F-18 Hornet. But this plane was different. In addition to armaments that would put the fear of Allah into our enemies, and a top speed of more than 1100 miles per hour — nearly twice the speed of sound — this F-18 is a “Green” Hornet. Near as we can tell, it runs on jet fuel and alfalfa sprouts, or maybe broccoli buds. A real weapon for our time — modern, deadly, and politically correct.
Now if they can only find a lesbian or transgendered minority female to pilot it, that would be gravy.
I’m sure the Navy wouldn’t sacrifice performance in order to be environmentally fashionable, would they? No matter. Our president had news to make. Sounding for all the world like someone who just experienced a “road to Damascus” moment on energy, Barack Obama embraced offshore drilling for oil and ordered wide swaths of previously pristine ocean open to the depredations of greedy and rapacious oil companies.
Or if you’re not one of Obama’s wacky green supporters, Obama gave the go-ahead for tapping the biggest expansion of energy reserves in history.
Or did he?
In fact, what Obama giveth with one hand, he taketh away with another. Some leases already in motion have been canceled while potentially huge deposits of oil and natural gas are still off-limits, including the entire Pacific coastline of the United States from the Mexican border to Canada. In addition, in order to expand drilling in the eastern Gulf of Mexico, the president must get the authorization of Congress. This would have been a snap when gas was $4 a gallon, but is much less a certainty today.
Other leases that had been approved in Alaska have also been canceled for further environmental study. Of course, the president didn’t even bother to mention the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge — sacred calving grounds of the porcupine caribou — which would yield as many barrels of oil as all the areas the president opened for drilling combined. And the slow motion approval process guarantees that I will be retired and getting to and from our little grocery store here in Streator, Illinois, riding a donkey before a drop of that East Coast oil makes it to market.
What is the point of this welcome but ultimately less-than-half measure to expand our domestic oil production? Note the word “drill” used in just about every headline in the media about this story. The president is sending a signal to the American people that he has heard their cries of “drill, baby drill” and has deigned to respond favorably. Citizens will think better of him for it, despite the fact that it will not increase domestic oil production until the president is long out of office and considered an elder statesmen. Perhaps he will have been elected president of the world by then, but if we’re still in Afghanistan I wouldn’t bet on it.
Then there are his political tricksies: a bait-and-switch effort to get Republicans on board his “climate change” express. Since there are GOP members in the Senate who actually want to be taken in by this transparent tomfoolery and vote for some kind of cap-and-trade bill, the likelihood that he can peel off enough Republicans to avoid a filibuster on his energy bill is now pretty good.
Of course, it takes a subtle intelligence to advocate expanding fossil fuel production while passing a law that will destroy the industries responsible for producing it. But Congress does this kind of thing all the time — national health insurance reform being a recent example — so the disconnect is only apparent if you choose not to think like a politician.
For the Republicans, this announcement is not good news at all. They will rightly criticize the proposal as too little, too late. But who pays attention to details? The president will be able to come back and point to the GOP being “obstructionist” and hypocrites for not backing their own ideas. “They wanted to drill and when I give them that, they still oppose me,” the president will say. He does this kind of fake exasperation very well, as evidenced by his complaints about the GOP not offering any alternatives on health care when three different plans were sitting in the congressional hopper gathering dust because the Democrats refused even to read them.
Minority Leader John Boehner appeared to play the president’s game by sounding more petulant than usual:
It’s long past time for this administration to stop delaying American energy production off all our shores and start listening to the American people who want an “all of the above” strategy to produce more American energy and create more jobs. …
Republicans are listening to the American people and have proposed a better solution — the American Energy Act — which will lower gas prices, increase American energy production, promote new clean and renewable sources of energy, and encourage greater efficiency and conservation.
Like the GOP’s efforts with health care reform, their energy bill has been languishing at the bottom of the legislative pile for months. No doubt the president and the Democrats will accuse the Republicans of not offering any alternatives and try to ram cap and tax through the senate. On this issue, the GOP is not as united as they were on health care reform, as several senators are working with the Democrats to craft a compromise bill. Whether they will meet with any more success than those Republican senators who huddled with Finance Chairman Max Baucus in trying to draft a health insurance reform bill for many weeks is an open question.
While the president’s allies on the left are wringing their hands over this “concession” to centrists and those Republicans predisposed to vote for cap and trade, they really needn’t worry. There are enough holes in this proposal for offshore drilling that it should be declared an environmental hazard, and a clean-up crew should be dispatched to deal with the mess he’s made of the issue.
WELL THIS IS JUST MORE LEFTIE DOUBLE-TALKING JIVE. IN OBAMAS’ AMERICA THE ‘BABY DRILL’ IS WHAT LIB’S USE TO PERFORM TAXPAYOR-FUNDDED ABORTION’S
Well,all Barokeydoke has done here is to demonstrate that he is just as unserious about US energy policy as he is about our foreign policy vis a vis the Middle East and Israel…everything he does is designed to simply exacerbate the situation and is of less than no help in the long run.
obama’s drilling into our wallets again by announcing to the world that there will not be one new drop of oil from the USA for at least 12 years. Oil options jumped right up,when Bush made his drilling statement everyone knew he was serious and we were looking at 2 – 3 years,causing oil options to go down because more oil would be coming to market.
Dear Dr. Bones,
Appearance and reality are maybe a little at odds in the case of this cluster of humanoid events.
It certainly LOOKS as if Miss Lucy (Hooverville and Wingnut City and the Partya Grant) have moved the football again just as Charlie Brown (President Summers and Mr. Obáma) was about to perpetrate a field goal. Indeed, it looks so much like that that even our pajamatarian _du jour_, Neocomrade (Fifth Class) R. Moran, is vaguely stirred by some unwonted flow of body fluids to the point of associatin’ the word ‘petulant’ with that great Hero of (T)error, Neukamerad Johannes, Freiherr von Böhner. [1]
Anythin’ the least bit like self-criticism is so rare amongst the sweet puppies of Redarkenment that I think we had better let Sam play it again: “Minority Leader John Boehner appeared to play the president’s game by sounding more petulant than usual:
‘It’s long past time for this administration to stop delaying American energy production off all our shores and start listening to the American people who want an “all of the above” strategy to produce more American energy and create more jobs. … Republicans are listening to the American people and have proposed a better solution — the American Energy Act — which will lower gas prices, increase American energy production, promote new clean and renewable sources of energy, and encourage greater efficiency and conservation.’ ”
Indeed, Don Ricardito de Morán y Padxama is so struck that it becomes positively wobbly, givin’ the impression that M. le baron de Cincinnati is *always* petulant to some extent. Imperceptive and imbalanced and unfair is that! For of course the honourable and gallant is only another mechanical contrivance for the public recitation of Party-’n’-AEIdeology talkin’ points. Don Ricardito might as well fancy its egg beater or its SUV petulant. The so-called “pathetic fallacy,” I guess: the political kiddie misattributes its own subjective displeasure at a supposed mistep by the Hooverville High Command to an innocent inanimate object that chances to be at hand.
Its worry might, though, be that Televisionland and the electorate may be less that pleased with the Neocomrade Freiherr’s ventrilocution.
Not much chance of that, I shouldn’t think myself, but ’tis not logically or physically impossible that some small subset of couch lizards (disemployed “financial consultants,” perhaps, in particular, neocrooks left on the beach when the PoG’s ever-immortal “Investment Society” suddenly went south) detect that the Hoovervillains’ idea of a compromise seems to be that Uncle Sam does everythin’ at least 111.11% their way — as if obviously no less than justice and pridence demand, for the Way of Hooverville is always at least twice as infallible as that.
This brings me, sir, to my sermonette’s chief burden, which is that sub-par kiddie selfservatives like Don Ricardito Morán ought to careful when bloviatin’ on topics that are easily reduced to quantitative terms.
The child’s Party paymasters want to dig for bucks everywhere; its Republic’s POTUS prefers that P&I paymasters be allowed dig for bucks in areas B, F, and J only, areas which amount to XY.Z% of the diggable holy Homeland™. I don’t happen to know the actual number, and I do not myself care enough about the matter to waste time hunting for it, but plainly there is essentially one number that reveals, in twenty-five digits or fewer, exactly what degree of compromise obtains. [2] The business is so simple that even a victim of _Chicagonomics for Dummies_ will (probably) be up to understandin’ it, and have no need of Don Ricardito’s wobble and spin. Or even spin from the Neukamerad Freiherr.
If we were discussing decent political grown-ups, Dr. Bones, and not petulant brats from Foxcuckooland, I would add that it is also decidedly sub-par of Don Ricardito and its playmates to expect to score any points by mentionin’ that the Abominaba Administration takes a political view of the issue. Out at Rio Limbaugh and Port St. Lucie, I daresay the brats can continue to suffer from Claude Raines Syndrome™ from here to eternity, bein’ really and truly neoshocked every single time they recall that “the Democrat party” is a politic party. [2]
And I remain, sir,
Yours for fiscal responsibility and minor holidays.
___
[1] ‘Petulant’ would be _ärglich_– more or less, close enough for Fedguv work — _auf preußisch_.
[2] Neither the G.O.P. geniuses (“paymasters”) nor the Party base ’n’ vile (“brats”) have ever really liked _la politique en Amérique_ as General Jackson and Mr. Van Buren of NY set it up and as it has functioned fairly reliably ever after. At Wingnut City, they “know in their hormones,” as Neocomrade Senator B. Goldwater (ought to have) put it, that they deserve at least three or four votes apiece just for bein’ so very infallibly RIGHT.
This chronic and incurable self-dementia seems to me to rule out any possibility of compromise: the Geniuses, and their domestic brats, and their Hyperzionistical ideobuddies, can recite a dictionary definition of the word ’compromise’ but they possess no more inner knowledge (_Erkentnis_, as opposed to _Wissenschaft_) of the word’s thing than they do of the thing referred to as ‘death’.
(( As a matter of fact, lots of neocomrades, not all of ’em wombscholars and downdumbees like Don Ricardito, really would prefer to perish rather than give up one jot or tittle of their richly-deserved one hundred and eleven percent share.
(( But Father Zeus knows best about self-exceptionalisers and self-indispensibles. ))
What I don’t get is how it can be good idea for us to burn all the oil in the world AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE.
It’s finite, and a far as I can see restricting supply, keeping the price somewhat high, to encourage alternative technology seems like the best idea. The goal being some kind of smooth transition to non-oil rather than the world hitting a brick wall, or suffering ‘chaotic’ price fluctuations.
I laughed when I heard this announcement. Who would believe anything Obama says? Only Obamazoids, that odd collection of leftist wackos, the naive & gullible, & the seriously uninformed. Sadly, a significant segment of the population is so dumbed-down by our amazingly deficient educational system, our completely worthless mass media, & the endless deluge of propaganda from our very lame mainstream news organizations. We are literally drowning in BS.
JHM- man you have got to quit dropping acid and smoking weed at the same time. . . .all that gibberish might make sense out on Orion, but it is just s@@@ here. . .
Wasn’t one of the first things that nobama signed a 20% tax on offshore drilling?
Roy,
It’s important to keep in mind that there are many people and most all goods that require oil to get to market. Raising the prices on fuel with the intent to conserve merely increases the cost of transportation that the commuter and the consumer must pay. It only reduces elective consumption.
It’s all very moot. The technology for drilling and development is proven, safe and can be quite productive quite quickly (contrary to my own Senator Menendez’s ignorant pontificating). The problem is not the speed of exploration to product for sale, it is the lack of major end items in the industry. With the liabilities, costs and constant fights with the flavor-of-the-moment environmentalists many of the companies that would be going after these opportunities have long since shipped much of their heavy equipment overseas. So as these major end items have gone so went those jobs.
An example of potentials? If the areas off Delaware are developed that, state (and the states around it) will gain hundreds of thousands of jobs. How? First the direct hiring of oil field services workers, then, to support 24/7 exploration/exploitation operations the major ports supporting the efforts will have to be improved, dredged, enlarged (construction/engineering jobs). To support that effort the transportation infrastructure will have to be upgraded (Rail/Road and Airports). To support all those workers will require a corresponding growth in service/support (medical, environmental, small businesses etc.). As Ports Newark/NY, Wilmington, Philadelphia, Baltimore (and others are currently configured such efforts really can’t be supported . . .
So lets get started.
We succeed in spite of Gubmint, not because of it.
Obama is a liar and a con artist. This drill baby stuff is a big political “head fake”. Most of us can see this coming a mile away. Unfortunately the naieve main stream media and many bloggers think the American people are a bunch of hay seeds and hicks and cannot understand the manipulation that is coming at us every day. They get it or at least 50% get it and are sick of this guy and ALL of us goons and hacks. Beware of Romm Emanueal (or whatever this creeps name is) bringing gifts. They could care less about the tax paying citizenry and the cost of gas. It is strictly for political reasons to perhaps take a little heat out of the health care box.
The only strategy worth talking about now is resistence of all things Obama. I mean we need to deny him any cooperation or any legislative progress on all fronts. Time to mobilize voters to get these communist creeps out of office and take back our country. Everything else is an illusion.
Tommy Gunn
http://www.boeing.com/commercial/environment/pdf/PAS_biofuel_Exec_Summary.pdf
Bio-derived Synthetic Paraffinic Kerosenes are real. They can be produced using either bio-derived oils (even from algae) or through the Ficsher-Tropsch Process.
As usual, The Self-Exalted One is doing his trademark double-shuffle and deal-from-the-bottom-of-the-deck trick.
He knows that those oil leases will never be drilled. The Congress (controlled by the most radical elements of his own Party) will never allow it. The deep-ecology neo-Luddites will use every trick from endless court cases to active sabotage to stop it. The EPA will use its power to block it. And if all else fails, after the passage of Cap & Tax and/or the November election, he’ll “change his mind in the light of new information” and issue an executive order forbidding it. (But he’ll keep the money.)
By the same token, his “initiative” on nuclear power will work the same way. He’ll claim we “have no place for the waste” (because he and Harry Reid won’t allow Yucca Flat to be used). Or he’ll say we should “wait for better technology”, sinking more money into endless “studies”, thereby pumping up the income of his cronies in tenured-radical academia- who already know that no matter what the evidence shows, their answer will be “No Way!”. Or the environmental radicals will sue the contractors to death. Or if all else fails, he and his resident intellectual idiot, Dr. Chu, will somehow “discover” that Holy Wind and Holy Sun are just “better”, and order all nuclear R&D, let alone construction, stopped.
And after all of the above, He will smile, flip the American people off, and basically say, “Fooled you again.”
Obama doesn’t want this country to have energy to use- period. In fact, he wants our culture, and our civilization, erased from the face of the Earth, and the annals of history. Because He has a better idea. Something along the lines of Bronze Age Persia, by all indications. Complete with philosopher-kings; like Himself.
The rest of us get to freeze in the dark.
clear ether
eon
4. Roy M
While we all know, or at least suspect, that you’re using hyperbole for its dramatic effect when you say “…how it can be good idea for us to burn all the oil in the world AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE,” have you not heard that known reserves put oil at at least a 200-year supply? Or that many experts believe that the earth is still creating oil; that it had little or nothing to do with long buried forests and dinosaurs?
Cheers, Roy. I hope you can now sleep better at night.
Roy: As far as I know, nobody on our side ever said we should never develop alternate fuels or new sources of energy. We only want it done not at the expense of our economy (which your progressives seem to want to do) but done as the economy warrants.
There is more than enough carbon-based fuels to last many lifetimes. And the more we use OUR resources the more energy independent we are; we can create more jobs here; and improve our economic and military strategy versus our main competitors.
Why should we hurt ourselves by artificially “keeping the price somewhat high” which hurts our economy-and for all the talk Dems do about the poor-hurts the poorest in our nation disproportionaltely more?
Barack Obama is only trying to make himself appear more moderate to the often confused purple state voters. There are still many Americans who wish to give the “historic president”the benefit of the doubt. But this would be naive—because Obama is a proven liar. He is intensely committed to destroying capitalism. This “drill, baby drill” rhetoric will be sold by the MSM as evidence that Obama is a centrist while his opponents are right-wing loons “unwilling to cooperate in non-partisan manner”.
5. David Thomson:
Exactomundo!!!
Rick, this isn’t about energy. Its about distracting public attention away from the imposition of a federal government monopoly on our healthcare system. You will see similar temporary but modest shifts to the right which will be celebrated by Big Government Media as evidence of Obama and the Democrat’s “reasonableness”. The goal is to pull back the Independents and at the same time quietly tighten the noose on an additional one sixth of our entire economy. The tragedy is that only greater competition could lower cost and improve quality in healthcare. Instead we are getting higher costs, less innovation and doctors leaving the profession rather than become pawns for Democratic Party bureaucratic hacks. But we can still win the big fight over this new grab for power by the left by focusing on the real issue of stopping this antiquated 1960′s style big government boondoggle. Bob
The paradigm in all this is the fact that whatever obama touches turns to lead. I suspect for most of America, no matter the spin and hyperbola, the emperor is very naked, and he is pretty consistent serving up very smelly fish to the public. I think for the most part a lot of us have moved on and beyond in mind and heart, the propaganda and lies are very old hat, but even more important we as a nation for the most part have suddenly become much more wise. Quite a large part of our society discounts most of if not all the diatribe and dogma spewed from that cesspool on the Potomac. I am one, and I think I speak for others, lots of others, we are going to come out the otherside of this manufactured malaise alot better, a lot wiser, a much stronger nation, because we the people know what is right, what is good for us, we know what we need and want, obama et all are both a blessing in disguise and a test of our character as a liberty loving people. It is going to be a tuff ride with this sociopath in the white house, but we have faced worse trials, and they have made us better for all the trouble, this time I think this is truer than ever.
God bless my fellow Americans and the USofA.
Should have been #14. David Thomson
(I could swear I copied “5. David Thomson:” as it was. Maybe PJM’s queuing effects had something to do with it? Don’t know. I mean, it couldn’t have been my fault.)
Mr. Moran:
“And the slow motion approval process guarantees that I will be retired and getting to and from our little grocery store here in Streator, Illinois, riding a donkey before a drop of that East Coast oil makes it to market.”
Not necessarily. Here is a project that I was involved in last year:
http://www.ogj.com/index/article-display/3433168632/articles/oil-gas-journal/drilling-production-2/production-operations/field-start-ups/2010/03/shell-begins_production.html
Note that it took 14 years from lease acquisition to the beginning of production, but consider that Shell had to survey the site, conceptualize, design, fabricate and install the spar and topsides, outfit it, and do all this at record depths.
Now that the experience, offshore technology and infrastructure to exploit pay under the seabed in 8,000 feet of water, the NEXT spar installation will be a bit easier,(read: faster).
In fact, I will predict here and now that the subsea pipeline networks and the onshore infrastructure will take just as long to develop as the offshore components…consider the number of eastern seaboard coastal communities that will be fighting tooth and nail to become the next Port Fourchon, LA.
There will be blood.
“Then there are his political tricksies: a bait-and-switch effort to get Republicans on board his “climate change” express. Since there are GOP members in the Senate who actually want to be taken in by this transparent tomfoolery and vote for some kind of cap-and-trade bill, the likelihood that he can peel off enough Republicans to avoid a filibuster on his energy bill is now pretty good.”
I disagree. here is no reason to bargain with the Alleged Hawaiian to grant him his dystopian notions with our nation’s energy resources.
The simple fact is that what petroleum deposits may, 9and likely do), exist off our coasts have been down there for eons. They will only get more valuable by the day…and they’re not going anywhere anytime soon.
This means that the Obamanation is holding a busted flush at the poker table. He can continue his fairy tales that enthrall the eco-moonbat sweat-lodge about a modern industrial economy powered by sunbeams and renewable unicorn farts, but all of his hot air isn’t going to create one btu of useful energy for anyone.
The longer we are denied, the more valuable the resources become, and therefore the greater the impetus to throw these neo-Luddites and their rhetoric into the recycling bin of history.
Although the left made similar remarks when Palin/McCain supported drilling (it will take ages for us to get the oil out if we will start drilling), and on the face of it, this sounds good, but, as everything else with this administration and Congress, the devil will be in the details.
There is little doubt but Democratic Party pollsters have found out that a very high percentage of American voters want to cut Barack Obama as much slack as possible. Race guilt still exists. The fact that he is a “man of color” is a huge political advantage. We can probably expect further attempts by Obama to moderate his image. Don’t be surprised if in the immediate future—he makes a big deal about “family values”. Obama is going to do everything possible to sound like the reincarnation of Ronald Reagan.
I have been thinking recently concerning the very recent health care victory. Could a white president have achieved this goal? Was it ultimately due to the subconscious desire of some Democrat legislators not to disappoint a black president?
This is a bizarre coincidence. Shortly after I posted my last comments, I visited the blog of the so-called center-right Democrat Marty Peretz. Take a look:
http://tinyurl.com/yefjq2q
Peretz is jumping on the Obama “The Race to the Top” bandwagon. Once again, there is little doubt but that his advisors are trying to moderate his image. They want to con the purple states voters into believing the president is a “centrist”.
Our accounting department is just starting to receive the details on the health care legislation and our controller keeps saying “Holy cow, this is ridiculous!” Now we have oil drilling that really does nothing. Yes,part of the problem is empathy (or sympathy) for the man but what it really boils down to is investigation and analysis is too far above the intelligence of journalists and media personalities.
Unless it drastically reduces our dependance on foreign oil, I cannot support drill baby drill. And we should tax it and spend the money on renewables to get out of our devil.s bargain with the mid-east. Otherwise, its more of the same and with some of my friends starting their third tours over there, I think all the above of nuclear, renewable and using our own is the best way forward…..drastic times call for drastic measures…
Note that the drilling is linked to Cap-and-Trade. This is simply a ruse to get that legislation through. There will be no actual drilling.
Roy M (4):
What I don’t get is how it can be good idea for us to burn all the oil in the world AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE.
Our modern society is built around fossil-fuel energy storage and the transportation systems that depend on it. Fossil fuels are the densest, safest, most reliable energy storage mechanism yet discovered, and no good replacement is in sight. The costs incurred when fuel prices rise are reflected everywhere, in every other product sold in the U.S.
Do some research into the factors that drive costs at the stores. Look at a mere loaf of bread: fuel provides the energy for the tractors and combines, the farmer’s car, the trucks that transport the wheat from farm to bakery and the loaves from there to the store; the ovens that bake the bread; and the heaters that keep the store warm. Same for every other product on the shelves.
So it’s not a matter of “burning it as fast as possible”, it’s a matter of keeping costs reasonable so as not to wreck the economy. Now we can try to replace fossil fuels, but it’s not going to happen quickly. Our demand is not going to go down, so it is far better that we get the money from the sale of the oil than our “friends” in the Middle East.
“and spend the money on renewables”
What renewables? Do you still actually believe in windmills, solar panels, corn ethanol and pixie dust?
Bob S #16
Could not agree more.
No hope for lefties to understand but we can hope independents do.
I say the same thing to my dentist. Drill, baby, drill! And, he will do more drilling on me than the oil companies will ever get to do in these ocean waters. And just like my dentist, they will just be exploring.
JHM(3),
psst..metaphors, alliteration, assonance, similes, analogy, et al, are all wonderful literary devices. However, any written piece requires structure. Here is one: There is perhaps no greater pleasure than a perfect pepperoni pizza (alliteration) washed down with a nice cold pilsner beer. But, the effect is lost if one were to frappe the pizza and beer together in a blender and then drink it (analogy). Your piece above may have been that tasty beer and ‘za(metaphor); but you chose to throw them in your blender and hit “pulverize.” May I kindly suggest Strunk & White followed by a careful reevaluation of your medication dosages.
BHO has truly inspired me! I told my grade school kids that they can eat all the candy they want – with no limits, even at dinner time – they just have to buy it at a particular convenience store 400 miles away!! I am a benevolent ruler.
I have to point out to most of the posters so far that their ODS has progressed to the point that it does not matter to them whether Obama’s policy is to drill, or not to drill, because he
is a bad, duplicitous man who cannot fool them.
As a result, said critics remove themselves from all discussion of POLICY, which will happen, or not happen in the next three years. Reality, will be what happens, while you guys are practicing (or repeating endlessly) your talking points.
Let’s see: is it better that Obama is going for some drilling rather than holding firm against it? Evidently not, since your logic seems to be that if he held out against it, he would be less likely to be re-elected, and then, I suppose, the new President could approve drilling and we would be so much better off!
Sheesh, the guys sees the common sense in moderate surging in Afghanistan, using drones to kill bad guys, and now drill here BECAUSE IT MAKES SENSE. Here’s your question: if he were to pull out of Irag and Afghanistan immediately and forbid all drilling anywhere on or off our shores, how much worse would that be than what he is doing now? Does it make no difference, a little difference, some difference…?
But it certainly simplifies analysis. You don’t have to waste any time thinking about whether or not ANY of his policies are correct, all you have to do is take as a given that they are bad, and find your supporting talking points. Got it.
#34 Dwight:
“Let’s see: is it better that Obama is going for some drilling rather than holding firm against it? Evidently not, since your logic seems to be that if he held out against it, he would be less likely to be re-elected, and then, I suppose, the new President could approve drilling and we would be so much better off!”
Yes…and I’ll tell you why.
Any production that takes place will happen only after YEARS of court battles fought against The Alleged Hawaiian’s political allies, while if the price he demands for his “allowing” Americans to develop and exploit their own natural resources is the Cap n’ Tax, (itself based on a questionable…to be charitable…scientific premise), the damage to our economy and lifestyle will be immediate.
He offers us a bass-ackwards version of the Faustian Bargain…we suffer first, and then maybe…maybe get our reward.
If you can’t figure out who the mark is in this game, then guess what?
The mark is the guy who stays at the table. Walk away.
Just walk away. He’s offering us what isn’t his to offer.
The oil will still be out there in two more years.
Something is better than nothing. We’ll take this and push for more later.
In the meantime, the quickest and easiest way to get off imported oil is to move to a methanol based economy (see http://www.thenewatlantis.com/publications/the-methanol-alternative and http://www.rollcall.com/news/40755-1.html ). Methanol is already available without gov’t tax breaks. Methanol has about half the energy per gallon as does gasoline but it costs less than have the price. With a flex-fuel vehicle, you could use either one. Personally, I would impose a tax on IMPORTED oil to keep OPEC from lowering the price of oil to drive out the methanol … and to help get the budget back in line. Of course, as we imported less oil, there would be less revenue to the gov’t but the money spent on methanol would stay in the US and boost its economy. It would get us out of the need to prop up regimes in the Middle East and spend money to protect the oil lanes. It would also pull the rug out from underneath Iran without firing a shot.
Just to get back onto topic, about energy policy, and not just Obama bashing. I read the republicans bill, and have posted a link to the entire bill.
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/billtext.xpd?bill=h110-6566
The bill basically reads as one giant handout to gas and coal industries. This makes sense as the republicans are in bed with the two industries. Basically I think their bill sucks, and that is the reason it is on the bottom of the table. I am all for oil, coal, and nuclear energy, but there needs to be a good amount of insensitive for other alternative energy sources. We cannot be beholden to the Middle East and South America any longer. Obama is getting a compromise out of the drilling, I think he even made that clear during his speech. I do not see how compromising so that both sides get some of what they want is a bad thing. Everyone here preaches about being open minded, so be open minded. What if half of the country wants one thing and the other half something else. You guys are not the only residents of the United State. I should be represented by my government as well. I am happy to trade offshore drilling for more renewable incentives. As to whether there will actually be drilling, there will if it is part of legislation that gets passed. Whether the legislation gets passed will be based on whether some republicans are willing to compromise. I do not think Obama has a personal vendetta against offshore drilling. The fact that most people see some kind of evil conspiracy in everything done by a democrat is kind of unsettling. Also, it is the sign of a good politician if they can gte things down by compromise.
#37 Brian N:
“I do not see how compromising so that both sides get some of what they want is a bad thing.”
A man is guilty of grand larceny. He pleads innocent, the prosecutor “compromises” and accepts a plea of misappropriation, a misdemeanor.
Was justice done?
When you compromise between right and wrong, you unjustly denigrate the right, while undeservedly elevating the wrong.
Developing and exploiting our own natural resources is the right thing to do.
Opposing this is wrong.
End of story.
38. Bilgeman: You make a completely false comparison, but I will run with it. First, it depends on how you define justice. Some justice is clearly done because the man is receiving some retribution from the state. In essence the man is paying back his debt to society by being pushed for a crime. Whether or not the compromise was wise in that situation will depend upon the circumstances. Did the prosecutor have a solid case or did he think he might lose, and going forward to trial would be a waste of his time and public money. Prosecutors do not have infinite resources. Maybe he has a triple murder case he needs to focus on. What is or is not justice is up to the society, in your example the city, township, state, ect… Also, will the punishment prevent any further crime from the individual, if so is that the purpose of the law? The view of everything being either right or wrong does not mesh with the realities of life. Via your argument then renewable resources incentives are wrong, but I do not see it that way. In this case I think both sides are right, drilling and incentives for renewable energy. If the other options is nothing being done because both sides are stubborn then of course the compromise is the right way to go.
24. Don’t worry about taxing it. Besides the income taxes that all the jobs and profits will create, there’s a 25% royalty payment taken off the top.
38. Justice was done, if the perp returns the money, plus a fine. Property crimes should be punished by property forfeiture, and a man should only be stripped of his liberty if he cannot repay the money.
As for Obama, for all we know, the unions told him to do this after they realized that this would create thousands of union jobs, some of which pay six figures. Oil and gas drilling is, after all, dangerous work, and it pays accordingly.
Concerning solar, if you want solar energy, you need to endorse nuclear reprocessing. Reprocessing used nuclear fuel is the only way we can obtain the large quantities of rare earths required for mass production of solar panels without becoming dependent on the Chinese. Rare earths are produced in nuclear fission, and can be separated out at a reprocessing plant as a biproduct of actinide recovery. The same process can also recover precious metals.
#38 “Opposing this is wrong. End of story.”
Looky here, Bilgewater, I like stories….but yours are just too simple. Has the Lord revealed to you that we should use up all our resources as fast as we can, as cheaply as we can? End of story, eh?
Strategically, one could consider using up the Middle East’s resources, while they are still relatively inexpensive. Some day we will drill in ANWR, but I want it to be when gas is going for $10 a gallon, not three.
Depressing
http://eureferendum.blogspot.com/2010/03/depressing.html
……….it seemed as if we had the warmists on the run.
……..a more realistic appraisal might suggest that we have not even dented the underlying agenda.
Miliband is paving the way to get the Kyoto treaty protocols back on track for agreement in Mexico later this year, as part of an international treaty. And he wants to pull in developing countries into the treaty maw, with them offering some “commitments” of their own – more cosmetic than real – in order to cement in the developed (or “Annex 1″) countries into the deal.
This move comes alongside a meeting between Gordon Brown and “billionaire financier” George Soros, Obama’s economic adviser Larry Summers, economist Lord Nicholas Stern and other finance ministers. In parallel, they were working on stitching up the financial package which is so central to the real agenda.
Their headline goal is to raise $30bn (£20bn) a year immediately and $100bn a year by 2020, ostensibly “to enable developing countries to adapt to climate change.”
Whatever mechanisms are eventually agreed, however, of one thing there can be absolute certainty. Very little of the money allocated to this cause will ever reach its stated destination. As with the current aid programme, most of it will be soaked up by banks, finance houses, investors and brokers, in fees and commissions. Huge amounts will line the pockets of governments in the recipient countries, and NGOs will grow fat and rich.
Britain brandishes olive branch to restart global climate change talks
http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2010/mar/31/ed-miliband-restart-climate-change-talks
#40 myth buster:
“As for Obama, for all we know, the unions told him to do this after they realized that this would create thousands of union jobs, some of which pay six figures. Oil and gas drilling is, after all, dangerous work, and it pays accordingly.”
Nope…the offshore oil and gas industry is famously anti-union.
As a former rank and filer of twenty years with a seafaring union, I still get the fish-eye occasionally from the “Cajun Navy” management toadies.
This feature is unlikely to change soon, since the amount of money siphoned off by the union and its stooges basically represented a 50% hit to my day-rate.
I essentially gave myself a 100% raise when i walked away from the unionized shipping companies. This is not to mention vastly better quarters and an equal time rotation.
Stuff that unionized crews of American flag ships could only dream of.
What have those clowns got to offer me to get me back?
You have no idea how nice it is not to pay into a PAC that advocates raising the minimum wage…essentially seeking benefits for slobs who never paid a dime in union dues, and whose raise will only increase inflation, impoverishing me.
The offshore production and drilling rigs have resisted attempts at organizing from all comers…OCAW, the Teamsters, and other outfits, since their inception.
I’d also point out that the areas to be opened begin off the borders of the Right to Work states.
I was of the understanding that what Obambi did was give the ok for “oil exploration” and not specifically oil drilling. So the actual business of extracting oil from under the ocean or wherever still has to be approved by congress and then pass muster with the EPA and the rest of the environazi’s. It’s just another Obambi bait and switch which, unfortunately, I’m afraid too many brain dead republican politicians are going to fall for and we’re going to get screwed. Again. When will enough be enough.
Obamaspeak duplicity has become so commonplace that thinking Americans have learned that whatever he says is rarely what he truly means. Take his well-orchestrated “promise” that he won’t raise taxes for ‘middle income’ Americans to pay for his so-called health “reform.” We all thought he meant that we were going to give the big bite to the hated rich who were going to fund our utopia.
But now that it is the law of the land, we’re finding out that he meant something a bit different. We’re learning that this program of unfunded mandates is going to cost states billions of unplanned expenditures. So what Obama really meant was that while he won’t personally raise middle-class taxes. The states will.
But every once in a while, our beloved leader actually says truth. Usually such rare occasions are a mistake and he stumbles into the truth because his teleprompter is on the fritz; or when he’s talking to his back-room crony’s and he thinks no one else will hear, such as his distain for the vast unwashed middle America whose denizens “cling to their guns and religion.”.
But he actually did get it right when he promised to his adoring crowds that he is going to “fundamentally change America.” Only the change that’s happening before our very eyes isn’t quite what he had in mind. His socialistic over-reach has awakened the right-of-center American middle-class as nothing has done since the Imperial Japanese Navy bombed Pearl Harbor sixty-nine years ago.
There’s going to be fundamental change, alright. First it will come from the election booth in November. Then, if we do our job as citizens and identify and support the right political leaders, it’s going to play out in the halls of Congress when we not only will halt the 80- year drift toward socialism, but we will actually tear it limb and root from our political landscape. Yes, on this one, I think the man got it right. Now that’s change we can believe in.
#41 Dwight, that’s a risky strategy. You’re assuming everything remains the same.
If we had flex-fuel vehicles and methanol started becoming a game changer which would drive down the price of oil, then you’d would have missed the opportunity to benefit from the oil at a higher price.
Some of the oil fields in the Gulf have mysteriously replenished themselves which is causing a lot of new theories about how oil is formed. It may not be a finite resource. Then once again, you have missed an opportunity to benefit from oil at a higher price.
46. LoboSolo: Can you link to an article that talks about the replenished oil fields? I would be curious to read them. Thanks.
3. JHM dba ‘Petulans’:
Uh, wow guy. Aren’t you the one I sat next to on the subway the other day? You know, the one wearing a paper hat and mismatched sox and thick glasses held together with tape? Remember? I was trying to read my newspaper and you launched into a psychotic tirade exactly like the one you posted above? At first I thought your mental explosion was drug-feuled, but then realized it was the opposite, and that you were someone who refuses to take his meds. Do you recall that I finally felt compelled to get up and go to the emergency call box at the end of the car and had you hauled away by the cops?
How’d you get access to a computer in the Happy House, anyway? And why are you still not taking your meds?
It is simply not possible for the U.S. to have a robust economy without fossil fuels for the foreseeable future, which is why drilling and exploration should be allowed over a broad range of American geographical locations. Alternative energy (other than nuclear) will never be able to supply sufficient energy to drive a truly thriving America.
The more fossil fuels we use, the less dependent we are on others.
So let me get this straight: conservatives yell “drill baby drill”, and Obama increases the area available for offshore drilling. Why is anybody mad about this? You guys got what you wanted. True, maybe it wasn’t FROM who you wanted, but you still got it. Tea Partiers say “drill baby drill” and Obama says “Fine, drill”. Now put down your signs and go home.
Read much?
I mean, did you bother to get into the content of the article, or did your lips get exhausted from moving too much? Maybe it was the words with more than two syllables?
The whole point, “Adrian,” was that he really didn’t open up much of anything. Typical cynical ploy on his art. Unlike you, we’re not fooled.
In the words of Abraham Lincoln, “What you talkin’ bout, Willis?” He increased the area we can drill for oil. What am I not understanding? It’s you, “Don Rodrigo”, who has been fooled. Look at the facts. People say “we need more oil drilling”, he increases the area that companies can do so. Are you mad that they didn’t open up all national parks for oil companies to drill in? Is that it, “Don Rodrigo”? Your going to hate everything he does because you’ve already made up your mind. And saying “you just don’t understand big words huhuh” just proves that you don’t know what your talking about, and can’t even defend your ideas with rational arguments.
And is putting my name in quotes supposed to offend me? Because it really isn’t working. Just a little heads up.
#41 Dwight:
“Strategically, one could consider using up the Middle East’s resources, while they are still relatively inexpensive. Some day we will drill in ANWR, but I want it to be when gas is going for $10 a gallon, not three.”
Well, it didn’t take you long to default to moonbat ad-hominem attack mode, did it?
But since you want to discuss your moonbat economic “strategery”, I’m game.
At present rates of consumption and inflation of the currency, the day of &10 a gallon gasoline might arrive within 10 years.
Remember please that we are not the only big dogs scrambling for oil. The Chinese and the Indians are also very thirsty, and while those two countries are presently developing their own domestic sources, they are drinking from the same two supergiant fields that have powered the twentieth century.
So, the question before us is do we want to face that day when our economy goes down the toilet from $10 a gallon gasoline,(and more pointedly, diesel fuel),with discovered and assayed fields either producing or just coming online, or do we want to have a blank expanse of “eco-moonbat approved” ocean?
If we get our act together now, that day may never come in our lifetimes.
And that will give alternatives the chance they need to develop themselves into something other than just a subsidy-dependent boondoggle “rice bowl” for research scientists and “magic energy beans” for moonbats to dream about.
#47 Brian N:
“Can you link to an article that talks about the replenished oil fields? I would be curious to read them. Thanks.”
He’s talking about the Eugene Island formation, specifically, and the Abiogenic oil theory generally.
I don’t know enough about it to render an opinion, but the abiogenesis of petroleum would explain more than a few anomalies.
http://seekingalpha.com/instablog/400230-vinod-dar/47079-abiotic-oil-and-gas-a-theory-that-refuses-to-vanish
Interesting stuff to me, since I’ve worked with rigs drilling in the Eugene Island block.
How would or could we head off the Obama admins drive for cap and trade?
I can’t think of a way except through the ballot box.
California has been the Democrats stronghold of support. If we can turn California from cap and trade we can turn the nation.
http://www.jobs2010ca.com/ is the website of the initiative to suspend AB32, currently collecting signatures to appear on the 2010 ballot. Registered voters of California I call you to download the petition, sign it, and send it in to be counted.
Remember it was a trick, Schwarzeneggar signing the bill a week before the 06 election, without ever bringing it before the people as an issue. In effect leaving the public without a say on this.
We are 400k signatures away from giving the people of California the first vote on the merits of Al Gore’s global warming Act.
The Attorneys General Jerry Brown originally slated the deadline for collecting signatures as July 25th. Then he moved the deadline back to June 6th. Now it’s set as April 25th – cutting the time to collect signatures in half.
If it’s the most important issue of the future why do they take such great pains to prevent us from having a say?
http://www.jobs2010ca.com/ – Sign the petition. And let’s see if they can hear us then.
There is a big difference between “exploring” and drilling. But in the antonym liberal vernacular, any word can imply or actually mean whatever worthless liberals declare.
Take, for example, the word patriot. To normal Americans it means “A person who regards himself as a defender, especially of individual rights, against interference by the federal government.” To worthless liberals, patriot means “To fork over more of your earnings, if you have a job, or one who sits on their valueless butts drunk, filthy and insane, with both hands out.”
Then there is civil decent. To normal Americans it means “One who opposes all questionable, and of late, illegal laws that force citizens to against their will.” To worthless liberals it means “Nazi’s, racists and gay haters who don’t know their place, yet.”
And today, all normal adult Americans who embrace, “America, the Beautiful” are proud of their country. To worthless liberals, this claim is without any justification. Instead, “America, the Beautiful” is a place where all public indoctrinated children get straight A’s, not for excellence, but for singing, Barack Hussein Obama, MMM MMM MMM.
I don’t recall Hussein using the word “drilling” in his 47,362nd speech yesterday. What I did hear was the titular head of worthless liberalism telling his cowardly core of sociopaths, “Comrades, I need you to act enraged for a few days. I am about to quimby all normal Americans, again.”
Trust every worthless liberal like you would trust a child molester living next door to an orphanage.
Has anyone asked the why about all this? First this president gives Brazil billions for them to do exploritory off shore drilling. NOW he wants us to drill. He should have started here in our nation before having another country drill and for us to be dependent on them for our oil. In the interim, shouldn’t we open up all the capped wells that we know new technology could get down further and extract oil immediately????? We need to be putting some of this money he is wasting into building the refineries again. Just think of the jobs that would become available again. Instead, he just keeps adding to government jobs. 16,500 new people for the IRS?????? Unbeliveable
Maybe Chavez clued him in that, to be a socialist, you must use natural resources for revenue. The rich people will up and leave, but oil gives you money to redistribute for years afterward.
52. Bilgeman: – good to hear from you on a vital topic – thanks for the instruction. As a civilian landlubber on the subject – I found Mitch McConnell’s tepid reaction a bit disturbing.
Why aren’t conservatives running out what should have been long standing desired plans?
37. Brian N: “The bill basically reads as one giant handout to gas and coal industries.” – Oh wow what a revelation. Here is where the girlymen metro-educrates get seperated from the flyover folks. Wake up Bri – give Americans a choice – to farm/exploit – (putting millions to work over the next decade) our generous gas & oil & coal allowing us to ressurrect the prosperous the 50′s as in 5+ units (50-60%) is again domesticly produced – OR STAY WITH THE DISGRACED POP CORN ACADEMIC DEPTS OF GLOBAL WARMERS WHO ARE GETTING FAT ON FEDERAL GRANTS TO MAKE UP BULL*&^% SCIENCE –
I don’t believe Americans are completely sold as Bri Bri is on the inherent ‘evil’ of American oil/gas/coal corps. Like more evil than Chavez or more evil than those sunny middle easterners?
Is Jimmy Carter your second cousin Bri?
Of course it is politically interesting that Obama has gone from the whirlwind of a dissappointing showing in Copenhagan to the bitter drawn out fight with Health Care to now, seven months prior to the mid-term elections, springing an ‘apparent turnaround’ when it comes to domestic drilling for oil/gas.
I think a whole lot more disclosure as in ‘trust but verify’ is in order – over a whole month of sunday’s as far as the news cycle.
I know. Obama’s using the oil funds to build a massive army of Venezuelan robot llamas to kill all the white people. He will sweet across America like Genghis Khan, aided by probe droids and countless orc. And he will imprint his power onto one ring…
But it cannot stay in the Shire!
58.
Orrrrrr, he sees the naked horror of his and his party’s freefall amongst the fence-sitters/back-benchers and he knows after bitch-slapping the country with a heavy dose of socialism, the moderates need a little huggy-kissy time….”its ok, little rino, I know this health bill will further bankrupt us and make Logan’s Run look like a documentary, but here’s a little off-shore drilling and a surprise Afghan theater visit to make everything alright…now run along and we’ll see you suck..err, moderates in November.”
#47 … Here’s a good place to start: http://freeenergynews.com/Directory/Theory/SustainableOil/
You can do a search on Gulf Oil replenish and get a lot of hits.
Regardless, as long as we import oil, we should find ways to replace it. Methanol (not ethanol) offers a way.
4. Phoenix48, I find it fascinating that you created an opinion for me. I never gave a value judgment to oil and coal industries, I just pointed out what was in the bill. I am all for them, as we depend on them for energy. I just think that a good energy bill will have equal incentives for other energy industries because we need to move our system away from its current petroleum based way. Although, I think the oil industry took everyone for a run when gas was 4+ dollars a gallon and they were making record profits. For the record I think drilling off shore is a good idea, and I wish we had started it earlier. Also, you are too quick to want to lash out a someone and decry them as an evil liberal. So because I did research and pointed out what was in a bill in question I am now Jimmy Carters cousin??? Are you banging Rush Limbaugh?
“I just think that a good energy bill will have equal incentives for other energy industries because we need to move our system away from its current petroleum based way”
Ah, there you go AGAIN, the fetishization of compromise as a substitute for justice.
Didn’t I say:
“When you compromise between right and wrong, you unjustly denigrate the right, while undeservedly elevating the wrong.”?
Look, whatever incentives to oil and gas that you think might be in the Alleged Hawaiian’s proposal,(and that’s a bit of a head-scratcher to me, since they don’t give away the block mineral rights for FREE, y’know! They’re sold at BLM MMS auctions), your call for incentivizing “equally” alternatives REALLY means little more than a subsidy to Dr, Whackjob’s Perpetual Motion Machine Laboratory, and/or the University of West Pig Knuckle’s Magic Energy Bean Institute.
When you reinforce failure, you get MORE failure. (The government seems to be good at that).
What incentives there are should be apportioned according to that energy source’s contribution to our national energy consumption.
When people use unicorn farts to power their Chrysler minivans, then maybe we can entertain subsidies for unicorn ranches.
(Of course, once unicorn farts are our major energy source, unicorn ranches won’t NEED subsidies…they’ll have profits).
@ Bilgeman
I agree with Brian N. Coal and oil may be convenient, but it’s not good for the environment. I’m not talking global warming. I’m talking air pollution and oil spills and destruction of habitats. Renewable energy has none of those bad effects. Oil and coal companies are like the horse-and-buggy salesmen saying “cars are bad because they are bad for the current horse-and-buggy economy!”. Who cares? It’s better than oil and coal. And once clean energy is established, it will take the place of oil and coal. We can keep drilling for more and more and more and more and more oil, or we can begin to use renewable energy and stop the perpetual search for more resources.
And Obama is an American citizen. That or Bill Clinton went back in time and changed the birth announcements in the Hawaiian newspaper. You lost the election, buddy. Let it go.
“I’m talking air pollution and oil spills and destruction of habitats. Renewable energy has none of those bad effects.”
Are you sure about that? The absolute cleanest renewable source we have is hydro…but good luck getting a new dam built. California is practicing re-desertification of it’s Central Valley for the sake of the Beloved Guppy…and we’re talking about agriculture, y’know, FOOD, here!
You really have to update your mental image of the modern oil and gas industry.
When you hear “oil and gas”, you likely think of images of oil-soaked birds from ship disaster oil spills, and smokestacks billowing toxic clouds.
40 years ago, this would have been a valid opinion. But not today.
Do you hear the words “automobile industry” do you automatically think of mid-1960′s cars? How about when you hear “home electronics”? Does the image of a Philco console color teevee pop into your head?
So why do you buy into this with oil and gas?
Look, every barrel of crude that is spilled is around 80 bucks or so,(haven’t checked the spot price today yet), that someone who wants to make money DOESN’T make. D’you think petroleum companies are in the business of throwing money away?
And your prejudice against coal is suspect too. There are power generation plants going up around the country that burn municipal trash for heat and electricity. Baltimore Gas and Electric has one smack-dab in downtown Baltimorer, and no-one seems to mind much,(of course, this IS Bawlmer, hon).
Incinerating Municipal waste vs, incinerating coal…do you care to wager which fuel source would likely be more contaminated with Noxious Things?
“And once clean energy is established, it will take the place of oil and coal.”
Uh-huh…and once we get fusion power and anti-gravity hyperdrives, we’ll be driving Buicks to the Moon.
Wake up, little dreamer. The only way alternatives will get “established” is when the market, hundreds of millions of consumers freely making the decision to buy the Chrysler powered by Unicorn Farts, over the Chevy with the gasoline or diesel engine.
You and I both know that that isn’t going to happen anytime soon, so you want to “cheat” and artificially inflate the price of fossil fuels by keeping them scarce, and taxing them to subsidize your preferred perpetual motion machine.
You’re a certain flavor of fascist, y’know…? I’m all about meeting our energy needs of today, and I don’t mind people having the freedom to choose to heat their homes with Magic Energy Beans if they so wish.
You, though, want to deny people the freedom to make choices that suit their own needs and desires in order to promote YOUR whims.
“And Obama is an American citizen. That or Bill Clinton went back in time and changed the birth announcements in the Hawaiian newspaper.”
Head-case, my particular problem with him is not that I think he’s not and American citizen, but that he hasn’t produced the vault copy birth certificate that proves that he’s a NATURAL BORN American citizen.
That is what the Constitution requires of someone holding the Office of POTUS…or are you one of these “I don’t CARE about the Constitution” types?
A newspaper announcement is not proof, and is not acceptable evidence. Try it at the DMV/MVA when you renew your driver’s license and see how far it gets you.
Frankly, I agree with Pam Geller. I think he WAS born in Hawaii, but his problem with disclosure is that in the box marked “Father”, his dingbat mother wrote “Unknown” or some name other than “Barack Obama Sr.”.
I couldn’t care less about that…he can’t be blamed for his trashy mother, but he’s gotta show his papers just like every other American would have to to take the Oath and hold the Office.
Another form of fascism is when the leader is exempt from the laws he enforces on everyone else.
That bothers me greatly, too bad it doesn’t bother you…but as long as you get your way, I guess that makes it just hunky-dory then, huh?
People like to exageratesome of these numbers. Seriously the drill is well known who doesn’t know it in that area. I think if Obama had a serious issue with it he would say so.
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