Comments on: Dreams Deterred: How Federal Policies Keep the Poor Out of College http://pjmedia.com/blog/dreams-deterred-how-federal-policies-keep-the-poor-out-of-college/ Thu, 16 Feb 2012 03:26:33 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: politicalreacharound http://pjmedia.com/blog/dreams-deterred-how-federal-policies-keep-the-poor-out-of-college/#comment-39387 politicalreacharound Tue, 13 May 2008 12:56:42 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/dreams-deterred-how-federal-policies-keep-the-poor-out-of-college/#comment-39387 People like the above commentors who say college is evil and minorities are the problem are complete idiots. Congratulations its your backward views and actions which are holding our country back. You guys are all losers and can take your loser president and racist leaders and go live in a shack in Alabama. The only way to make sure America remains #1 going forward is to make sure every American gets educated not just middle class white kids. You people are such haters that you don't understand that everybody improves when people get educated even the black kids. A rising tide lifts all boats, and your ideas are like rocks that are sinking us. A majority of Americans are ashamed of people like you. People like the above commentors who say college is evil and minorities are the problem are complete idiots. Congratulations its your backward views and actions which are holding our country back. You guys are all losers and can take your loser president and racist leaders and go live in a shack in Alabama. The only way to make sure America remains #1 going forward is to make sure every American gets educated not just middle class white kids. You people are such haters that you don’t understand that everybody improves when people get educated even the black kids. A rising tide lifts all boats, and your ideas are like rocks that are sinking us. A majority of Americans are ashamed of people like you.

]]> By: Eva Ritchey http://pjmedia.com/blog/dreams-deterred-how-federal-policies-keep-the-poor-out-of-college/#comment-39336 Eva Ritchey Tue, 13 May 2008 06:55:01 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/dreams-deterred-how-federal-policies-keep-the-poor-out-of-college/#comment-39336 Do they have access to affirmative action requirements,Pell Grants and other "scholarships for hispanics and blacks"? Do they have access to affirmative action requirements,Pell Grants and other “scholarships for hispanics and blacks”?

]]> By: Pete http://pjmedia.com/blog/dreams-deterred-how-federal-policies-keep-the-poor-out-of-college/#comment-39285 Pete Tue, 13 May 2008 01:36:07 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/dreams-deterred-how-federal-policies-keep-the-poor-out-of-college/#comment-39285 One of the important things I was taught in college and finally learned in the course of the jobs I have had is that your learning and education is up to you. I know numerous people with degrees that still think they received their education, and some who have never attend college, but are constantly seeking knowledge and learning. Which one do you think is more competent and successful. One of the important things I was taught in college and finally learned in the course of the jobs I have had is that your learning and education is up to you. I know numerous people with degrees that still think they received their education, and some who have never attend college, but are constantly seeking knowledge and learning. Which one do you think is more competent and successful.

]]> By: zeke youcha http://pjmedia.com/blog/dreams-deterred-how-federal-policies-keep-the-poor-out-of-college/#comment-38799 zeke youcha Sun, 11 May 2008 14:36:36 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/dreams-deterred-how-federal-policies-keep-the-poor-out-of-college/#comment-38799 Dr. Goldrick-Rab's piece touched home with me. Coming of age in the Great Depression and serving on a carrier in the 2nd WW I never thought I had a chance of going to college. The GI Bill opened up opportunities for me that I never thought possibe. I and all of the young men who served with me had a chance to live the "American Dream." Instead of the middle class fighting the lower classes we should get together and see to it that every qualified person has a chance to fullfil their God given potential. Education should be available to all Americans. Knocking Dr.Goldrick- Rab is a cheap shot and surprises me. We certainly should insist that the men and women who are serving us in the military be given the same chances we old timers had.We should all support programs such as those Dr. Rab writes about and also the bill Senator Webb has put forward in Congress. Most of those congressmen and women never spent one minute on the firing line and have no idea what we are putting our kids through. Dr. Goldrick-Rab’s piece touched home with me. Coming of age in the Great Depression and serving on a carrier in the 2nd WW I never thought I had a chance of going to college. The GI Bill opened up opportunities for me that I never thought possibe. I and all of the young men who served with me had a chance to live the “American Dream.” Instead of the middle class fighting the lower classes we should get together and see to it that every qualified person has a chance to fullfil their God given potential. Education should be available to all Americans. Knocking Dr.Goldrick- Rab is a cheap shot and surprises me. We certainly should insist that the men and women who are serving us in the military be given the same chances we old timers had.We should all support programs such as those Dr. Rab writes about and also the bill Senator Webb has put forward in Congress. Most of those congressmen and women never spent one minute on the firing line and have no idea what we are putting our kids through.

]]> By: spudmom http://pjmedia.com/blog/dreams-deterred-how-federal-policies-keep-the-poor-out-of-college/#comment-38515 spudmom Sat, 10 May 2008 20:14:02 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/dreams-deterred-how-federal-policies-keep-the-poor-out-of-college/#comment-38515 Poor young people usually have (at least) two disadvantages that hold them back: lack of a decent public high school education and the culture of low expectations. Getting a high school diploma and not being able to compute or communicate means an extra year in remedial non-credit college courses to catch up. Having role models who dress for flash instead of success, who view hard work as acting white, or who choose crime or addiction instead of self-discipline make it much harder for a young person to get started on the path to independence. Getting that first college year free may make up for the bad education; the rest should be completed because of hard work and frugality, not government handouts; those are the very skills that will make them rise above their peers. As long as they aren't making babies or getting drunk, most 20 somethings can handle a job and a few classes, and it makes the degree mean more to them. We have a school in our state that grants scholarships based solely on grades; straight A's get the next semester free; A- averages get half off. Good incentive to study hard! Poor young people usually have (at least) two disadvantages that hold them back: lack of a decent public high school education and the culture of low expectations. Getting a high school diploma and not being able to compute or communicate means an extra year in remedial non-credit college courses to catch up. Having role models who dress for flash instead of success, who view hard work as acting white, or who choose crime or addiction instead of self-discipline make it much harder for a young person to get started on the path to independence. Getting that first college year free may make up for the bad education; the rest should be completed because of hard work and frugality, not government handouts; those are the very skills that will make them rise above their peers. As long as they aren’t making babies or getting drunk, most 20 somethings can handle a job and a few classes, and it makes the degree mean more to them.
We have a school in our state that grants scholarships based solely on grades; straight A’s get the next semester free; A- averages get half off. Good incentive to study hard!

]]> By: saveliberty http://pjmedia.com/blog/dreams-deterred-how-federal-policies-keep-the-poor-out-of-college/#comment-38485 saveliberty Sat, 10 May 2008 17:51:17 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/dreams-deterred-how-federal-policies-keep-the-poor-out-of-college/#comment-38485 The article blames the feds instead of the universities and colleges that use the monies badly by jacking up infrastructure costs, closing off access instead of genuinely opening up access. Why pay schools more if they are undermining the goals of helping the non upper crusties to gain access to college or university? There's also no discussion of the fact that second and third tier schools have learned that by increasing prices greatly, applications increase several fold, even though there has been no change to the academic rating of the school. Again, this closes off opportunity to applicants who have less funding. There's also no mention that a working person often works through college. In getting a job, many Americans go to school at night. Lots of companies offer tuition reimbursement. Because this road is so challenging, the people who put themselves through school are more appealing candidates for management jobs than those who who had someone else work for their tuition (that would include students funded by the Mom and Dad Bank). The article blames the feds instead of the universities and colleges that use the monies badly by jacking up infrastructure costs, closing off access instead of genuinely opening up access. Why pay schools more if they are undermining the goals of helping the non upper crusties to gain access to college or university?

There’s also no discussion of the fact that second and third tier schools have learned that by increasing prices greatly, applications increase several fold, even though there has been no change to the academic rating of the school. Again, this closes off opportunity to applicants who have less funding.

There’s also no mention that a working person often works through college. In getting a job, many Americans go to school at night. Lots of companies offer tuition reimbursement. Because this road is so challenging, the people who put themselves through school are more appealing candidates for management jobs than those who who had someone else work for their tuition (that would include students funded by the Mom and Dad Bank).

]]> By: klrtz1 http://pjmedia.com/blog/dreams-deterred-how-federal-policies-keep-the-poor-out-of-college/#comment-38410 klrtz1 Sat, 10 May 2008 12:18:10 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/dreams-deterred-how-federal-policies-keep-the-poor-out-of-college/#comment-38410 Welfare reform is working. "[T]hese clients (hand picked for training) will produce the best measurable outcomes." Isn't that success? The people that can make the best use of the educational opportunity are the ones who get it. People on welfare are getting jobs in record numbers and getting off welfare. Isn't that success? What needs to change is Goldrick-Rab's idea that everyone should "have equal access" to higher education. Apply to Harvard or Yale, young lady, and see what kind of equal access you get. Welfare reform is working. “[T]hese clients (hand picked for training) will produce the best measurable outcomes.” Isn’t that success? The people that can make the best use of the educational opportunity are the ones who get it. People on welfare are getting jobs in record numbers and getting off welfare. Isn’t that success?

What needs to change is Goldrick-Rab’s idea that everyone should “have equal access” to higher education. Apply to Harvard or Yale, young lady, and see what kind of equal access you get.

]]> By: bob http://pjmedia.com/blog/dreams-deterred-how-federal-policies-keep-the-poor-out-of-college/#comment-38307 bob Sat, 10 May 2008 03:01:34 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/dreams-deterred-how-federal-policies-keep-the-poor-out-of-college/#comment-38307 Staffords are for anyone who applies no matter income. Staffords are for anyone who applies no matter income.

]]> By: Anonymous http://pjmedia.com/blog/dreams-deterred-how-federal-policies-keep-the-poor-out-of-college/#comment-38306 Anonymous Sat, 10 May 2008 03:00:05 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/dreams-deterred-how-federal-policies-keep-the-poor-out-of-college/#comment-38306 Quit blaming everyone else for your problems and do or do not. Quit blaming everyone else for your problems and do or do not.

]]> By: Rob http://pjmedia.com/blog/dreams-deterred-how-federal-policies-keep-the-poor-out-of-college/#comment-38148 Rob Fri, 09 May 2008 17:37:13 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/dreams-deterred-how-federal-policies-keep-the-poor-out-of-college/#comment-38148 Any middle class parent who has had a son or daughter wend their way through the minefields that are taday's college application trauma know damned well that the kids discriminated against are those of the college educated and above average incomes. Tis interesting how today's wackodemics insist on standing truth on its head. If a students parents make more than a so called median income it's get lost for financial asistance unless you are from a "protected" ethnic group. Most interesting is how the disingenuous professor author words feign that she is not aware of those question that far to many colleges and unis slap on applications that require applicants to state the educational levels of their parents. All we unclever wackodemics know the purpose of the parental education question. It is obvious that wackodemia believes that a student is a privileged group if a parent has a college degree and is less worthy of admission.(For what other reason is the question asked?) Ms. Goldrick-Rab we the evil middle class understand wackodemia's doublespeak. That is the offspring of college graduates need not apply to most public tax funded instiitutions unless our kids have far higher SATs and grades than affirmative action privileged groups and that our kids if admitted are not eligible for the no repay grants handed out by government. Ms.-Goldrick-Rab needs to descend to the ground level from her myopia impaired perch high atop the unreality and insanity that are the ivorty tower dwelling places of America's academics. Any middle class parent who has had a son or daughter wend their way through the minefields that are taday’s college application trauma know damned well that the kids discriminated against are those of the college educated and above average incomes.
Tis interesting how today’s wackodemics insist on standing truth on its head. If a students parents make more than a so called median income it’s get lost for financial asistance unless you are from a “protected” ethnic group.
Most interesting is how the disingenuous professor author words feign that she is not aware of those question that far to many colleges and unis slap on applications that require applicants to state the educational levels of their parents.
All we unclever wackodemics know the purpose of the parental education question. It is obvious that wackodemia believes that a student is a privileged group if a parent has a college degree and is less worthy of admission.(For what other reason is the question asked?)
Ms. Goldrick-Rab we the evil middle class understand wackodemia’s doublespeak. That is the offspring of college graduates need not apply to most public tax funded instiitutions unless our kids have far higher SATs and grades than affirmative action privileged groups and that our kids if admitted are not eligible for the no repay grants handed out by government.
Ms.-Goldrick-Rab needs to descend to the ground level from her myopia impaired perch high atop the unreality and insanity that are the ivorty tower dwelling places of America’s academics.

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