Don’t Leave It to the BNP to Stand Up for Britain
The socialist component of national socialism is often overlooked; national socialism differs in scope but not in kind from the international socialism of Stalin, and is not conservative in any meaningful sense. And socialist policies lead to ruin, as is well documented. If the BNP ran the economy, they would not need to ban immigration — the country would soon be bankrupt and nobody, black or white, would want to come and live here.
Given the failings of his party’s philosophy and his manifest personal shortcomings, why has Griffin gained such support? Frank Field, one of the more intelligent Labour politicians, and Nicholas Soames, Conservative, come close to getting the right answer. From the Telegraph:
That opportunity only arose because of the political cowardice and irresponsibility of the two main parties — but particularly of the Labour Party. Poll after poll shows BNP support coming from ex-Labour voters who believe their party has deserted them on immigration, and failed to represent their interests as underdogs in what until recently was a country characterized by unparalleled prosperity.
Close, but no cigar. Yes, immigration in general is a problem, but Muslim immigration in particular is a catastrophe. Other immigrants of whatever race — race is a red herring — have assimilated. Muslims, including white Muslims, have not; nor can they, unless Islam reforms.
Nick Griffin has jumped on the anti-Muslim bandwagon to further his racist agenda. If you doubt this, consider that two prominent opponents of Islamic jihad today are Ayaan Hirsi Ali and Ibn Warraq. What would Griffin’s white supremacist party have to say about them and other apostates, most of whom are not white? Nevertheless, what the BNP says about Islam is largely true, so why aren’t the mainstream political parties saying it? Antonia Senior, writing in the Times, argues that it is because they are “squeamish about dealing in moral absolutes”:
So, paralyzed by our inherited relativism, fearful of seeming racist, and adrift in a Godless world, we fall silent just when we should be debating and talking. Into this silence strides Nick Griffin, Britain’s own fascist hobgoblin. If he is the only one talking about immigration, or the role of women in Islam or the sense of alienation and disenfranchisement felt, rightly or wrongly, by some white Britons, then his voice will be amplified. He is shouting while we whisper. If his voice is heard above ours, we have only ourselves to blame.
Indeed we do, and we should ask ourselves the question: why should the devil — and the Holocaust denier — have all the best tunes?
Mary,
Your Strasser quote is usually attributed to Adolf Hitler. Which actually is an even more devastating blow against Griffin.
Extreme right-wingers are inherently anti-capitalist. Every last single one of them is a hard-core socialist. There are no exceptions whatsoever. Oswald Mosley, Huey Long, and Charles. E. Coughlin represented this mindset of the 1930s and 1940s. The Ku Klux Klan and Nazis of today are simply carrying on a long established tradition. Do you need an example? Well, how about this one?:
“Capitalist System Judges Admit Taking Kickbacks
Two US judges charged with taking more than $2m (£1.4m) in kickbacks from a privately-run detention centre have pleaded guilty to fraud. (A prime example of why the extreme capitalist system of private for profit enterprise in government affairs should be outlawed.) (External Link)”
http://www.nsm88.org/
The only substantial difference between Adolph Hitler and Joseph Stalin is that the former bluntly asserted that his form of socialism was to benefit only the so-called Aryan elites. Communists at least pretended to be interested in transcending all racial and ethnic classifications.
In 1930 right-wing Agrarian American intellectuals released their manifesto, I’ll Take My Stand: The South and the Agrarian Tradition. These writers held the culture of industrialization in utter contempt and demeaning of the human spirit. These peculiar individuals were openly hostile to the libertarian tradition of Ludwig Von Mises and Friedrich Hayek.
I previously mentioned the British fascist Oswald Mosley. One should also visit the website of his modern day followers. They are quite similar to those who near fanatically adore Barack Obama:
http://www.oswaldmosley.com/the-corporate-state.htm
Close, but no cigar. Yes, immigration in general is a problem, but Muslim immigration in particular is a catastrophe. Other immigrants of whatever race — race is a red herring — have assimilated.
As an example of that, Melanie Phillips wrote in a recent column that: “Research by academics at Manchester University reveals that support for the BNP is highest in areas of high Pakistani and Bangladeshi concentration — but significantly, not where there are concentrations of Indians. Strikingly, BNP support actually falls away steeply in Afro-Caribbean areas.” That clearly shows what the problem is: mahoundianism, plain and simple.
So much for the sharia-loving left and its islamonazi allies’ claim that British “racism” is what motivates people in the UK to criticize a vicious, violent, racist, misogynistic and supremacist political ideology masquerading as a religion; and which, in order to be protected from its more-than-due share of criticism, has been awarded the title of “race” by way too many MSM outlets and pseudo-academic talking heads in order to silence its critics and opponents.
David:
Extreme right-wingers are inherently anti-capitalist. Every last single one of them is a hard-core socialist.
What makes them right-wingers? More and more ‘right’ and ‘left’ are becoming plastic words, no meaning just invective or distancing mechanisms. The BNP is statist as were the NAZI and Fascist parties. Just because the Fascist, NAZI, BNP types hate the commies does not make them opposites on the political spectrum.
Personally, I see the difference as one of affection. The NAZI, BNP, and Fascists are glum fatalists certain that only hard pragmatics can deal effectively with the social order. Commies are utopian idealists who believe that putting people and society on the right social order will produce the abundant state. Both abuse the power of the State to achieve their ends.
The only reason Nick Griffin has got support in Britain is not because of anti-semitism it is due to the major political parties not paying attention to the growing problem of muslim extremism and open borders, sound familiar.
Well, Nick Griffin and the BNP may be all the horrible things that you claim they are, but the fact remains that the proof is evident everywhere on the ground in the UK that mainstream politicians have, indeed, sold their heritage, birthright and native constituencies down the river, and have happily and with a sneer presided over the destruction or denigration of every aspect of traditional English society, rights, duties and custom, all to further their far left vision of “multiculturalism,” and to troll for votes from Muslim “immigrants,” who they have allowed to take possession of, overwhelm and despoil the land in an ever increasing invasion, commit sedition, terrorism and intimidation with impunity, and “game the system” at the expense of native Englishmen in all spheres of life.
Someone has to speak up and defend traditional England and the English, and if the “mainstream” parties have abandoned Englishmen and England, and the BNP is the only party even making an effort to speak up for them—however insincere it might be—well then, the BNP it will be.
‘The label “far right” gets attached all too readily to the BNP, but it is as misleading as it is lazy. The BNP is a party of the left.’
There’s stupid, and then there’s PJM stupid.
Fascism is left and has always been left. Race bigotry and class hatred make a great combo and mix easily. Socialists deal in class hatred and like to project Fascists as very far away. They are not far away, they peas in the same pod. Look at any Fascist movement that came to power, all of them had to over come a socialist or communist rival. That’s because both movements grow under the same conditions.
The Islam problem. To me the core issue with Islam is it is missing a core philosophical teaching that is part of almost all other modern social and belief systems. Christians call it the Golden rule.
‘Treat others as you wish to be treated.’
This core teaching can be found in Hinduism, Buddhism, Christianity and the writings of Confucius. Many modern people who reject god still hold to the golden rule. I contend you can’t have the modern world without it.
Mohammad was a theft, raider, rapist and murder. Mohammad did not teach the Golden rule any more than Attila the Hun. Islam is totally intolerant of others and can not live in peace and respect with other people. Look all over the world. Islams boundaries are always marked by war, mistrust and division. Cyprus, Kashmir, the Caucuses, the Balkans, the Lebanon, Sudan, Nigeria, Kenya, Mindanao and many more.
Only PC multicultural fools will remain blind to this forever.
To 2. David Thomson
Dear retarded… extreme right wingers are extreme capitalists… they CAN NOT be anti-capitalist. Your understanding of right v left is completely warped and fantasy.
To Mary Jackson
To some up your piece you saying that the BNP is just like every other british party then? Other then anti-immigration the BNP believes the same exact things the rest of the brit parties believe so even though they are bad they are 1 less bad then the rest.
(Il)liberals and other Fascissocialist Psychosis suffering projectors of their psychopathology really love to call fascists, (modified Marxists) national socialists (modified fascists) and Nazis (modified national socialists) “right-wing” — and to project their self-loathing upon them all.
Poor beggars.
But every form of totalitarian tyranny: from imperialism through communism through mercantilism through colonialism through progressive-ism through “Labour-ism” through state-ism through Fabian-ism through “democratic” socialism to the politics of the Euro-peons’ Neo-Soviet and of those other vast criminal enterprises that come together as the modern “Democratic” potty; is but a manifestation of the same Left-Wing evil.
“What makes them right-wingers?”
“Fascism is left and has always been left.”
This confusion is due to the fact that socialism is stupidly deemed inherently left wing. Joseph Stalin pushed this nonsense because he wanted to monopolize the term. Nationalists Hitler and Mussolini also shied away from the term socialist to firmly distinguish themselves from the international version. Please note that in the links I provided earlier neither the American Nazis of today nor Oswald Mosley’s Fascists of some seventy years ago ever used the term socialist.
Fr. Charles E. Coughlin was an outright socialist—but he might have punched me if I had called him that to his face. A Roman Catholic priest of his era was not supposed to be a socialist. He obviously held logically inconsistent beliefs. Human being often indulge in self-deception in such circumstances.
Liberation Theology has come a long way.
What can be said of the BNP can be said of the Front National in France. It’s continued popularity signals the dysfunctionalism of mainstream parties to address core issues, particular of race and ethnicity.
It has been said that the brightest light attracts moths. This was said by the first leader of the Reform Party of Canada, Preston Manning. For those not familiar with Canada, his father, Ernest, was Premier of Alberta for about 30 years.
Yes, people with very strong views on multiculturalism, immigration, and cultural matters joined the Reform Party because they were not viewed as welcome in either of the established parties.
Anyway, in a round about way, I am saying that there is one party in Great Britain which gets it: The British Conservative Party, especially given what Daniel Hannan has to say. Plus, there is a Member of Parliament, who was interviewed not that long ago in Canada, whose name is Michael Gove. At least they get it that
others, and not just British, have gotten things
right.
So, give Gove & Hannan a chance, because they have learned why Blair was Prime Minister as long
as he was.
Statism is leftist. Since the end of WWII, the British public has been conditioned to believe it is the government’s duty to care for them cradle to grave. The backbone of the BNP consists of former Labour voters, not Thatcherites.
Where the BNP differs from the Left is that it does not agree on who should be the favored groups for government largesse. Over the past generation, the British Left, like the American one, has adopted immigrants and non-whites as pets and mascots, while denigrating and insulting lower-income whites and belittling traditional patriotism. It is the bien peasant, Guardianista left who is most to blame for the rise of the BNP – they created the entitlement and group-think and victimization mentalities and then used those things to marginalize the native lower-income whites. The BNP is their baby.
The left is also to blame for cheapening the word “racist” by tossing it around so much it has become almost meaningless. If people who express legimate concerns about Islamic extremism and violence among immigrant groups are constantly tarred as “racists,” is it any wonder that they will shrug their shoulders when the Guardian crowd calls the BNP racist? The BNP is actually racist, but well, the left is now paying for crying wolf too often. If every white person who criticises minorities is called a racist, what do you say when the real racists show up?
(An object lesson for the leftists here in the States, and one they will certainly ignore.)
“unless Islam reforms” Hasn’t happened in 1400 odd years, and isn’t going to happen any time soon. The freedoms European white women enjoy are in immanent peril. Will they wake up in time? Sadly, my prognosis is that it is unlikely. The state became the man in their lives, the provider and protector that didn’t require their time, attention, love and fidelity, only the money they could vote out of the pockets of others, now the state will reflect the opinions of the aliens imported to outvote the local inhabitants by a generation of traitors to England and the West.
How best to define the terms “right wing” and “left wing?” This is a debate that cannot be ultimately resolved to everyone’s satisfaction. I simply have decided to describe right-wingers as those who place an exaggerated emphasis on race, ethnicity, and nationalism. Left-wingers are those who minimally pay lip service to universal and international values that transcend racial and ethnic classifications. Does this work for you? Oh well, it’s the best that I can do.
Or as Bruce Bawer put it, RKV
Those American Christians werent so bad after all!
What a dishonest article. The authoress must know that Griffin has entirely renounced his Holocaust denial of 20 years ago. He has written eloquently of the need to expunge anti-semitism from the BNP, and the party supports Israel’s right to exist as a Jewish state – a position a heck of a lot better than anything you’ll find on the British left.
“. . . a position a heck of a lot better than anything you’ll find on the British left”
That is rather the problem, isn’t it? Labour (and the Tories) have become so blind to the actual needs, conditions, opinions, even the identity of the British people, that a self-declared (Strasserite!) fascist is viewed as the lessor evil.
And that view has merit. Strange world.
Bingo! Comments #19 and #20
Socialism, Communism, National Socialism, and Statism are all movements of the Left. Fascism isn’t quite as susceptible to the same label, as it was an odd blend of various philosophies, both Right and Left.
The more you diss Nick Griffin the more support he will get. Nazi-holocaust denial is not the worst thing on earth, Ms. Jackson. Communist-holocaust denial is, because the so-called leaders of Western Civilization are spreading it.
I’ve made a couple comments on this site offering my support and defense of BNP polciies but that was because I didn’t know enough about them and have gotten to know quite a few BNP supporters that are anything but Neo-Nazis. I thought they were merely a nativist party that tossed around racial slurs here and there like is to be expected in such a movement. I also didn’t think they’d have much more influence on the UK than much needed changes in immigration policies and reversing laws that descriminate against whites, Christians, conservative and males. But it seems I was wrong at least about some of the views of their leadership. I agree that their leftist economic policies would overall damage the UK which I wouldn’t like to see. It’s a shame though. The West desperately needs a political movement that protects the rights and livelyhoods of its native population since the plague of leftist socialism seems hell bent on destroying them. But it seems that too often these types of movements get hijacked by these Neo-Nazi morons. We need a political movement that rejects idenity based prefernces, that’s patriotic and self-promoting, that has sound socio-economic policies and respects individual rights. I wish the Republican Party was that way here in America and I wish that the Conservative Party served that role in the UK. But unfortunately they don’t. But they are the closest parties to those ideals so I guess they’re better than nothing. I also think white people should stop being afraid of being called racists. Every other ethnic group is still racist and bigoted as hell. It’s really only white people that truely attempt to become color blind. If you think your lofty ideals of racial harmony and equality holds any weight in the real world then just look at what happened in South Africa. The whites there decided to no longer try to live seperately from blacks and to allow the blacks to rule over them in the dream and promise that everyone would get along and live in peace and justice for once. In reality the country is spiraling out of control with crime now (they have the highest murder rate in the world), over 25% of the black male population are rapists and whites are being systematically persecuted and ethnically cleansed. The same will happen in America if “minorities” take over. Might not sound pleasent but it’s the truth. I’m not advocating discriminating against anyone mind you. But for God sakes stop promoting race mixing, “multiculturalism” and affirmative action. It’s slowly but surely destroying Western civilization.
Whilst PJ engages in righteous indignation that is 100% context-free, the BNP in the meanwhile is making huge strides unchallenged as people like what they are saying(since it’s everything the politicians have swept under the carpet (with the help of the media) or he past few years), and no-one really cares if Nick Griffin was a Nazi in his youth once, it matters what he is saying and doing now.
Griffin appears to have listened to the people in the pubs and made a manifesto out of it, he is breaking the omerta of the established parties by discussing the very things that are always studiously avoided in ‘polite’ circles. This is why they listen, no-one cares about the nazi label anymore, for as long as he is prepared to point out loudly that the emperor (and politicians) are nekkid fraudsters. If it takes a ‘nazi’ to do this when the journo refuse to do their job, so be it.
Why not actually get to the meat of what the BNP is saying and engage in the current discussion instead of spamming the issues with hysterical nonsense? It does not work, all that happens is that people stop to read you and talk amongst themselves.
Here, I help you, those are some questions you should ask the BNP:
1. The EU has taken control of the borders and international treatsies make it impossible to refuse allowing more immigration. How will the BNP stop this?
2. Many countries refuse to take their criminal citizens back. How will you deal with that, and the fact that many of those people destroy their passports in order to stay in the UK?
3. How will the BNP ensure that it’s future MPs will not immediately join the policial class and fleece & sell out the British electorate in the time honoured fashion?
4. What will you do about the millions of people who are benefit claimants? If you remove the dole, what will you do a) get them into jobs (which no longer exist) b) deal with the resulting crime wave?
5. How will you implement the death penalty you want to restore without risking miscarriages of justice?
6. How will you wean millions of people of tax credits without risking them falling into abject poverty whilst working full-time?
7. How will you finance your pledge to drastically lower petrol taxes, and by how much will you lower them? Can we see some figures?
I could add lots more, but this are some of the things we’d like to see answers too, not whether Griffin once denied the holocaust in his youth, or whether he has ever killed and grilled his little sister’s hamster (and other assorted tedious bogeyman stories)
Just in case you think Griffin is a fool, here is a radio interview with the guy, listen to it and realise that you need to pull your socks up and come loaded for bear when you get in the ring with him:
http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?yzdzdytwhjy
Griffin once denied the holocaust in his youth,
The quotation at the beginning of my article is from 1998, when Griffin was 39. That is an elastic definition of youth, almost as absurd as when the BBC uses youth as a euphemism for Muslims.
Still, perhaps those boyish high spirits have evaporated over the last 11 years.
Mary:
No-one in the UK cares if he would still deny the holocaust — it’s a long long time ago and the victims and perps of that time are long dead — and in the here and now we have much bigger problems on our doorstep than the distant past, besides that, the BNP is the only UK party to support Israels’ right to selfdefense over Gaza.
Whether you believe that or not, it moot, fact is, people are flocking to the BNP and no-one is addressing the real issues that drive people there, and for as long as those issues are being ignored, the BNP will unfortunately pick up many voters.
No-one in the UK cares if he would still deny the holocaust
Yes they do.
The British people are in the process of being eradicated from their own country by an unholy alliance of the cultural marxist left and the cheap labour addicts of big business.
That takes priority.
“28. Mary Jackson:
No-one in the UK cares if he would still deny the holocaust
Yes they do”
Well, not the people on the street who mostly have no idea what the entire thing was about(WWII innit, we beat Jerry but it wuz a long time ago!), it’s history by now that all the people from this time are dead and given how Labour and Tory hate Israel and actively work to undermine it at every turn, why should they care about it in the first place?
I wish they did, but it ain’t so anymore. People like Milliban openly support terrorists as an acceptable menas of political discourse, and Israelis cannot enter the UK without fearing they’ll be prosecuted over war crimes.
Holocaust denial may create a short kneejerk reaction, but that can be easily placated, especially now that more and more ‘nice and normal’ people are joining the BNP and the stormfront nutters are getting crowded out.
Wake up Mary, this is a serious threat and pouting in the corner stomping our feet and boring people with long gone history isn’t going to win us anything here!
No, other immigrant groups have not assimilated. Carribean immigrant groups have adopted Black American thug culture, including drugs, crime and welfare dependancy.
“The socialist component of national socialism is often overlooked; national socialism differs in scope but not in kind from the international socialism of Stalin, and is not conservative in any meaningful sense. And socialist policies lead to ruin, as is well documented. If the BNP ran the economy, they would not need to ban immigration — the country would soon be bankrupt and nobody, black or white, would want to come and live here.”
So, now Britain’s a capitalist country and its economy would only be ruined if the BNP took over?
Interesting assertion, coming from the people who routinely call Europe a socialist cesspool and use that word to describe any reforms that might make us more like them. And funny how even with the NHS, a much more comprehensive welfare state, and businesses that operate with significantly more restrictions than their counterparts in the States, the country’s economy is still working and immigrants still want to partake in it.
If someone as close to the center as Obama is supposed to destroy America, how exactly is it that the much more left-leaning British somehow failed to screw everything up? Just wondering.
You state the NICk says, quote that it is acepted belief that 6 million jews died in gas chambers, so it is , the BNP dos not, state that no jews died we simple state that we dont know ,it could have been 4, or 8 million,
You state that he is a holocast rejecter, so what,,He is stateing the fact by agreeing with you, that yes, Israel exists, yes thier is a Jewish person in the BBC crowd, condeming him, saying you should go and live at the south pole, So according to your logic , his person no long lives.
Your true stupidity is shown for what it is( Holocaust means the total extermation of a race, or form of life, D0 DOs eg)bird form of life, He did not say that he agreed with, Hitler, he simply stated that he believed in MATHS ONLY,EG flat earth, Next time you condem a person, use THE LOGIC OF Scorates=That which is the whole, MIND KIND, not PC multi what ever ism ,is greater than the part,
Plato, truth is based, not only on what you see, say, but also what is not seen ,or not said, according to the Greeks GOODNESS IS BALANCE,( XY)+2= (YX)-2, EQUALITY IDEA OF GOOD INTENSIONS, imperfect American mind set ,IS NOT EQUITY, Britsh idea, based on truth, asolute= maths numbers, only.There is a VAST DIFFERANCE BETWEEN THE MEDIA, ect MERDOCK AND THE =GREEK= MEDIUM, MATHS. BNP member, you have know idea, of what you are dealing with.