Doing the DOJ’s Job for Them: Demanding Valid Voter Rolls Before November
Overall, all sixteen of these states received notice from me that they have violated Section 8 of Motor Voter because they have failed to maintain the integrity of their voting rolls. In the next 20 days, they will have the opportunity to explain why the data they reported to the EAC are wrong, or what has changed in the meantime. I will report on the responses here.
But if they are inadequate, private citizens may do what the DOJ refuses to: bring lawsuits to clean up the voter rolls before November 2, 2010.
Enforcement of Section 8 has become a bogeyman among some activist groups. They claim enforcement of the law is a sinister plot to deny the vote to eligible voters. Unquestionably, the hostility of Julie Fernandes originates in this fable. They crow that those concerned about integrity are engaged in “voter suppression.” They threaten to enlist the Justice Department to badger law-abiding citizens, apparently unaware that no such federal law exists pertaining to “voter suppression.” DOJ efforts to conjure legal theories of “voter suppression” have been met with embarrassing setbacks in the federal courts.
There are laws against voter “intimidation,” of course. But with the corrupt dismissal of the New Black Panther voter intimidation case, Eric Holder has set the bar very high on that score. Contrary to the claims of some, real legal standards define voter intimidation. Under no rational and credible legal theory do efforts to enforce Section 8 constitute voter intimidation. Shouting racial slurs and brandishing a weapon at voters? Yes, that’s intimidation. Making sure dead people aren’t on the voter rolls? No, that isn’t.
Some claim voter fraud doesn’t exist. They would be smart to reassess this myth. I have previously written at PJM that we have a long history of voter fraud, even if it doesn’t often affect election outcomes. I have cataloged dozens of instances of voter fraud at my blog, electionlawcenter.com, in just the last two months.
To opponents of effective list maintenance, Section 8 exists to threaten states who conduct robust purging programs. When Assistant Attorney General Tom Perez said that the DOJ is actually performing Section 8 functions, it was to advise states not to clean up voter rolls — as compared with my aim of enforcing the law against states who neglect to clean up the rolls. A nicely played trick of the tongue on his part.
The American story has always been about ordinary people making a better country on their own, without government. When government intentionally abdicates its responsibility, as the DOJ has done on this and other matters, it is up to private citizens to get the job done.
Whether it is the failure to secure American borders, or the failure to secure the integrity of our elections, the federal government is failing. Through the work and support of private citizens, hopefully only living, breathing, eligible voters will be casting ballots in November.
“”"The latest report is troubling. South Dakota, Texas, Mississippi, Kentucky and Indiana report in excess of a dozen counties with more registered voters than living people old enough to vote. Having more voters than living humans tells you something is wrong.”"”
I can explain counties in western South Dakota lol. If you rotate military families through a military base where the state has conservatism, no state income tax, gun laws that make you break out into tears of joy when you cross the border, no housing bubble and no debt, those families often change their state of residence, and start voting. THey keep their home there throughout their whole careers. Now it is twice as easy with the military spouses defense act (not sure I have that name correct). I could see how Meade county and Pennington county in South Dakota could have many more people registered than living there. The military rotates hundreds in and out as a mater of routine…and I’ll tell you, they can have my South Dakota voter registration card when they pry it from my no-state-income-tax dead fingers.
Add to that many traveling performers, show-biz people, fair/show performers/vendors, artists, and the like that register themselves and their constantly-moving Airstreams or Winnebagos in South Dakota for the same reason…….
Military can explain some but not all. Especially when you consider that the counties in question are on the various reservations and Acorn has been active in SD for many years. It was largely because of the poll watchers keeping a lid on the massive voter fraud in places like Shannon County that Tom Daschle was eventually defeated at the ballot box.
I ..DO.. remember a huge dustup during the Daschle defeat election. Election watchers were using camcorders to record busloads of “voters” being drivewn from election site to election site on the reservation. The people doing the recording were attacked as ‘racists’ for ‘intimidating’ American Indians on their own reservations infront of their own reservation police. I do not recall how that conflict ended, but I DO remember Daschle or Daschles team being sad or despondent that hey did not get the complete ‘Indian’ vote they expected (i.e. they expected better cheating than what they got). Yes Lily, there is rampant corruption wherever leftist and their minions dwell. The reservations have never been as good as the leftist blacks in organizing and conducting jailyard justice on their populations. The reservation may have organizations that are sympathetic to Democrats and traitors, but they are nowhere near the faux voter turnout as the pillars of Democrat strength like ACORN and SEIU.
Are you kidding me? Let’s try again. McGovern, Daschle and Tim Johnson (all dems) were masters of turning out more than 100% from the reservations. Your argument is so disingenuous that it qualifies as a bald face lie!
I bought my house in Orange county, FL in 2003 and immediately changed my voting address. For five years I only received sample ballots for myself. Sample ballots are provided to registered voters and mailed to the address where the voter resides. It was in 2008 that I first received a “sample ballot” for a Pedro Gonzalez in my mail box, and I have received one ever since. I have contacted the Supervisor of Elections many times asking why this person is registered to vote using my address when I am the sole occupant. After no reply whatsoever, I contacted the newspaper Orlando Sentinel and Foxnews hoping someone could tell me how a Mr. Gonzalez is using my address and claiming to be a voter in my district with my address. Deaf ears again. I am sure I am not the only one, and it is a disgrace here in America where ineligible voters taint the sacrosanct to the will of the people.
If I weren’t certain you’d get in trouble for it, I’d suggest voting as Pedro.
I wouldn’t for as Pedro, but you should definitely Vote for Pedro.
If only I had some fake ID to show I was Pedro, I might do that. But, this is serious. Mr. Pedro has hijacked my address to vote in my district. The Supervisor of Elections does nothing, nor does anyone else. And, I am sure other Florida voters have registered voters using other’s address in able to vote.
Thanks again, Citizen Adams.
But it’s too late. What with docket delays and continuances ad infinitum for even minor trespasses, the U.S. justice system is broken and corrupt from the traffic court to the Supreme. Your scheme, a good one, won’t work this go-around.
Furthermore, the American public schools and media have conditioned everyone under 60 to accept whatever rolls downhill, and to suspect anyone who disagrees.
Not all trolls on this site are leftists. Peleut fits the bill quite well.
How is what he says “trolling”? Quite to the contrary, what he says is born out by experience.
Terrific. If you want anything done, you must do it yourself.
One question: WHY have the “representatives of the People” in the administrative offices not done the job you are now impelled to do?
Whatever fancy titles they have: Congressman, Senator, Judge, Executive,Attorney General…,they are managers / administrators /defenders of the USA, and NOTHING MORE. In the USA, the ethics and principles of government are founded on “representation” and NOT RULE.
When and how did they get the idea and decide, AND GET AWAY WITH IT,that they are Rulers ? A Ruling Class. They are managers / administrators, NOT kings, NOT queens, NOT princes or princesses. They are CITIZENS’ EMPLOYEES / CLERKS / SERVANTS. Under contract they accepted with their personal oaths to Uphold AND Defend : the contract of the US. Constitution. We must assume they can all read the words in the national language of the US, and understand their meanings, whatever their bullying and criminal gangs, i.e. special intrests, and lobbyists tell them, or threaten,or however much they pay them openly or under the table.
WHEN did they decide they could push Americans around. How did they manage it for so long. SHAME SHAME on Americans who did not hold them to their terms of employment. Who left the management of these servants to others in court propaganda machines with their coaches and trainers in the “elite” educational institutions. When the cat’s away the mice will play.
Washington : Congress, Court and Executive with their lackeys in the “Court” media and the coaches and trainers in the universities and schools, have “thrown down the gauntlet” to the American Population. Assured they can continue to act beyond their charter for having got away with it for so long
The Tea Parties have accepted the challenge. Earlier such groups enabled the DREAM of Independence and Freedom for common people from obeisance to abitrary authority and rule by “elites”. That Dream has become example as one of the marvels of the modern age.
A DREAM to be CHANGED by a NEW AGE “Messiah” and his apostles and disciples in their HOPE of a “NEW WORLD ORDER”. These enemies of that dream on which the USA is founded, sit in the power seats of the government of the USA, treat them as royal thrones, with the dreams of International Empire / New World Order.
It is once again up to the “ordinary” people, the “commoners”, to teach them, to educate them to their true position as just another American, if that is what they are, privileged to REPRESENT America/Americans, and not Kings.
If you want anything done, you must do it yourself.
What could be more sacred than an uncorrupted voter process, including registration?
Every citizen needs to be vigilant. “The price of liberty….”
Kudos to you, Mr. Adams. I have amused memories of Chicago Congressman Bobby Rush (IL-1), former ‘Old’ Black Panther,complaining about voter suppression and ballot box tampering on primary night in 2006. He knew very well where those 10,000 “unaccounted for” votes were- waited to be created if his party needed them, via inflated registration rolls and corrupt election officials and Democratic Party ‘poll watchers’.
What’s truly shocking is how brazen the left has become about their partisan lawlessness since BO’s election. They’re like kids given free access to the candy store. It seems to me that they are indulging in every fantasy of elitist and corrupt “Rule”, (not governing) that they ever imagined!
As increadible as it may seem, the current administration is WORSE than the Europeans; and that’s saying a mouthful!
This is great, good work. If we wait for the government to police itself we’ll be waiting a long time.
Okay, Christian, how can we “ordinary” citizens help in your chrusade to assure an honest election? Let us know what we can do to assist you. Thanks.
Dear Mr. Smith,
Please seckinger@comcast.net to find out how you can help.
Thank you
Terrye: I went to seckinger@comcast.net expecting a website with some insight into how we can help keep our upcoming elections clean, but found an e-mail address, instead. Being a bit computer illiterate, what am I doing wrong? Please advise.
Not sending an email?
@ #4 Jojo – “WHY have the “representatives of the People” in the administrative offices not done the job you are now impelled to do?”
Because they are not “representatives of the people” in any way, shape or form. We don’t vote for them, and have no say who who gets that job. They do not answer to us.
This is why the proliferation of federal departments is dangerous.
I have no doubt that this is happening in all the border districts in Texas. How can we do something about inside our own state? Who do we pressure to make sure that our state is cleaning up these rolls? Can you post the leeters or your findings somewhere so we can get local press to pick up on this?
Thanks A LOT for such great investigative homework!
where is the public out cry ?? WHERE are the GOP ?? …where is Sarah Palin, Beck, O’Really (not a mistake on my part).
I know where the media is but where are the GOP … where is McCain.
where is congress …where is the indictment to impeach the freaking poser also know as Bo.
thank you Mr. Adams. You have a very lonely fight.
…and where is the LONGFORM BIRTH CERTFICATE? Americans, get involved in these elections. Become counters or verifiers.
welcome to AFRICA
this is how most votes go there.
It’s true, every day, America takes a step closer to becoming a third world country.
I live IN the city of Chicago and nowhere is it more obvious.
WELCOME TO OBAMA’S AMERICA
As I recall, after the 2000 election, a newspaper (I think-maybe-the NY Post) compared the voter rolls in NY and FL. They found that about 30,000 people were apparently registered in both states, and around 3,000 had voted in 2000 in both states. This is theoretically a federal crime, but it seems no one has ever been prosecuted.
There are some laws the government seems intent on ignoring: immigration enforcement and the prevention of election fraud. A more paranoid type would connect the two.
(An even more paranoid type would recall the British Labour party’s actual policy of replacing the electorate with a more “multi-cultural” one.)
“Stealing votes” is neocon code for “black.” You are a racist bigot.
Brilliant satire of a lefty. Bravo!
God, I hope so.
stunned b!tch
..did george soros call you up and tell you to pull the race card or did you manage that stupid remark on your own?
generally the first person to yell racist is the racist. well done useless idiot.
Do you just make these statements to get a response from people that are real like myself who uses my own name to do so? Well wiggle your ass out of this site, your comment is useless and disgusting.
…and blatantly moved the US Census Bureau to the the White House… only one rational comes to mind!!
…and blatantly moved the US Census Bureau to the White House. Only one rational comes to mind!!!
In and around St. Louis the occupants in the cemeteries vote at each election and I can pretty much tell you which party they prefer. Our very own Secretary of State (and hoping to become a senator come November) Robin Carnahan has done things to keep them voting. She didn’t want to disenfranchise potential voters with things such as proper identification. A utility bill would be fine. What crap. I have gotten to the point that I do not trust election results at all.
So how do I check voter registrations in Milwaukee, Wisconsin. The son of our Representative to Congress was imprisoned for slashing the tires on vans used for Republican Get out the vote efforts. Stuffing the ballot box is nothing compared to slashing tires. Well, maybe more unethical. My son moved to Georgia two years ago, and now owns and operates a motor vehicle there. But he is still registered to vote in Wisconsin. When he got a Georgia drivers license, wouldn’t they notify Wisconsin? And wouldn’t the Wisconsin DMV notify the voter registration people? Or do they only register people, and never de-register any one?
You should look into to your Secretary of State as far as that matter goes, most likely they are a “Democrat” (Communist) who is more than willing to help throw an election, also look at the Attorney General who is also of the same stripe (a communist)!
My daughter became interested in politics in her late 20′s and decided to get her first voter registration card. Upon submitting her form she was told she was already registered as a Democrat and that they had her on record as having voted the previous year. Needless to say, we were shocked. The address they had for her was across town in a neighborhood she had never been in. We drove there to check it out and there was no one living there.
We got her address corrected and filed a complaint, which of course no one ever did anything about. No one ever called her to get any info or anything.
This is why having a picture ID and proof of residence is so important. Yet, we hear a cacophany of wailing and get deluged with legal challenges from Democrats every time it’s mentioned.
I can top that! I lived in one community in Ohio from the age of 10 until I enlisted in the USAF in 1978, but I still maintained citizenship from Ohio, although I was stationed in California. In 1983 I married a young man I met, we were both stationed in California, but he was from Nevada. After our marriage I switched residency to Nevada (for many reasons) and took my husband’s last name.
My husband died in 1989, and although widowed, and still in the USAF, I kept his name and the Nevada residency. When I retired in 2001, I was stationed in Arizona, and had to change my state of residency to Arizona. I then remarried, and took on my NEW husband’s name.
BUT!!!! During the election of 2004, A neighbor of my mother was a polling place worker back in Ohio. Where I had not lived PHYSICALLY since 1978, and resided legally since 1983. Saw my name on the polls, and I had voted absentee! My MAIDEN/BIRTH NAME that I have not used since 1983.
I was home for a family event that NOVEMBER, after the elections and the neighbor came up and said she was sorry I had divorced and was living back with my mother. What the ???? That’s when she told me about seeing my name, and my address listed as the same as my mothers.
This is in Cuyahoga County, in the grip of the Democrats for decades, I wonder if I am voting from my old address from birth to age 10? How many other places am I voting from?
Fricking unbelievable!
Wow. Just wow. You probably never would have found that out without knowing the poll worker.
What I want to know is how someone got my daughter registered without identification.
Bravo!
Bravo Mr.Adams!
Bravo!
So I ask again, HOW CAN HOLDER “BLATANTLY IGNORE” THESE REQUESTS?
WHY CAN’T HE BE FORCED TO ADDRESS THIS “TODAY”???
We bitch EVERY SINGLE DAY AND “WE” STILL ALLOW HIM TO IGNORE US….LIKE WE’LL GO AWAY!
So I ask again, WHY CAN’T WE “FORCE” HOLDER TO ADDRESS THIS “TODAY”?
I’m so ticked off about this, it’s difficult to stay civil!
beccause he takes his ORDERS from Odama
…and doesn’t want to anyway!
We can force him- by electing Congressmen who will bring him up on articles of impeachment on the charge of Dereliction of Duty.
The only ‘lawsuit’ I’m looking for is the one that impeaches Obama, Biden, Holder, Pelosi, Reid, Frank, Dodd, etc, etc, etc.
Until we have this one in the works, I don’t see anything else happening, out of the status quo.
And “Failure to execute the Oath of Office” means nothing.
WE ARE NOT A REPUBLIC ANY MORE.
Wasn’t it Joseph Stalin that said, “it doesn’t matter who votes but who counts the ballots.” Now we have an acolyte of that very ideology in the White House, the Democrat Party is more than corrupt, it has become a danger to our Constitution, our Republic and the People. We have communist game changers in Congress and the Executive branch pushing an of Marxism agenda, what are we to do if the Democrats cook the elections with dead voters, felons and Foreign Nationals, do we shuffle off into that “Darkness at Noon” with out a whimper; I don’t think so.
How would states prove voters are dead or they moved out of state? It used to be that voters would be dropped from the rolls if they missed voting in several sequential elections and would have to re-register if wanting to vote in the future. That made lots of sense placing the onus on the voter to take responsibility for his/her right to vote and encouraging active participation in all elections. It got rid of people who moved without notifying election officials to remove them from voter rolls. When everyone voted in neighborhood precincts, in person, neighborhood precinct workers recognized them. The switch to mail ballots has complicated/negated that safeguard. If people do not vote for 8 years, they should be dropped automatically and required to show evidence of qualification to re-register. Why should the voters be stuck with non-compliance condoned by the Attorney General, a political appointee?
The minor problem with your solution is that people *are* still voting after they are dead or moved… they just vote Democrat
Nice, but what becomes of these letters? What happens next? An injunction before the November election? I think not.
If you need help in Lake County, Indiana (like a resident and registered voter) to help you have standing in the county, let me know. I have no faith in our party machine to police itself. It’s (east) Chicago politics all the way around here, complete with a duffel bag of ballots found in the bottom of the harbor one election.
The US Postal Service has listings of addresses that actually exist and it is essential that voting lists be purged of those that don’t. I have found a few non-existent addresses- that voted- on my voter lists while walking for candidates.
The dead will rise to vote in mass this time; unresponsive nursing homes residents will also vote in high percentages (most with absentee votes signed by the same person). Count on it; fraud will be at the highest level yet.
Not if Smith & Wesson or Sig Sauer are present at certain places.
Certainly since they were not voted into office by the People in the first place and now have the tools to rule by fiat, we all can see they have no fear of being removed from office even for just cause. Governance in flagrante delicto, corruption to the point where nothing else is left but a corpse in the ashes.
For any government to impose the law of the jungle takes little time to make every day election day as it leaves no time for the life we have worked so hard to build which has little room for politics.
They have traded the productive businesses of America for one big jumble of petty politics riding on credit ratings and celebrity.
These petty tyrants will be replaced, but if America rights itself they will not be replaced by monsters far worse than these enemies within.
This is all I have to say, in warning: If they do not have the fear of God then they shall have real cause to fear a less merciful People who will rise up for these abuses.
Thank you for all you do, Sir.
Outstanding !
This is a serious warning, although probably not early enough to get much action for this coming election in November. More states than mentioned have a problem getting deceased folk off the voting rolls. Some just don’t bother to tackle the problem, others actively avoid the task. In all cases, the local government offices must be forced to comply with the law, even as higher levels of government ignore it (as if on demand from Democrat headquarters).
Getting the votes cast legally is the easy part, however. The counting of them is where the danger lies. Washington’s Governor and Minnesota’s Senator Franken were both pushed into the winner’s circle by “finding” more ballots as needed. They both had the same person on their campaign committee, too. Beware of that likelihood again this year. Get out the votes for conservatives this November.
As Dave Smith asked:
“Okay, Christian, how can we ‘ordinary’ citizens help…”?
Maybe PJTV can help jump-start a distributed effort to leverage “ordinary citizen” help?
What could be more valuable, two months before mid-terms?
It’s really simple. Require a state issued photo Id at the ballot, and a birth Certificate,and proof of address ( IE:mortgage bill with your name, or rental reciept signed by the building owner) when you register. Give each person the opportunity to create a code number that you must also present with your ID. The voter sheet should have birth dates, and for those ballot takers who are unable to add, the approximate age next to it. 20 year old Enrique Morales, cant exactly show up as 90 year old John Smith than can he?
But that would prevent Obama from voting, wouldn’t it?
Ok- this whole birth certificate thing is getting about as old as the ‘bush stole florida’ rant that people kept trying to discredit his whole presidency with (I voted for Bush each time, and against Obama this last election cycle).
If his mother is a US citizen, does it really matter? Granted, I might need to brush up a little on my Constitutional Law, but at least one of his parents was a US citizen, so isn’t finding the bc a wash? If his mother had renounced citizenship, there’d be a paper-trail for it, but so far as I’ve heard, she didn’t. Or are people asserting that she’s not his real mom? Even if he has dual citizenship, if he has a US passport, then he’s a recognized citizen, and I don’t recall a clause anywhere about dual citizenship (that’d be the more interesting legal case, actually).
So, can we drop it and focus on his horrible economic policies, and the corruption of the JD, and the rest of the Democratic House and Senate leadership?
Because there’s something there? I accept he’s a citizen, but what else could be on that birth certificate that he/they would spend literally hundreds of thousands if not millions of dollars fighting it’s release? Name the same as he ran under, or a legal name change performed somewhere? Soetero, mother’s maiden name, etc?
What troublesw me is the insane effort to hide his past- grades, courses, long absences overseas- whatever. Maybe everyone has a skeleton or two, but the effort to hide all of his past that he doesn’t choose to supply just doesn’t feel right to a lot of us.
Thank you, Mr. Adams for everything you have done and are doing for our nation. We’re here for you. Just let us know how we can help. Good luck and God bless.
I live in Florida, but I can help with all those states; Who’s going to check, anyway?
Neighborhood precincts where everyone knows you are no panacea. The late father of a friend, a long-time resident of RI, recalled that his voting location was a gym with an elevated track. The politicos would stand above the old fashioned voting machines and look down to make sure that you pulled the straight party lever for Democrats. You did want your garbage picked up, or a police/fire response in an emergency, didn’t you? I don’t know how they influence elections today with the paper ballots/scanner voting machines, but I’m sure they are working on it – and those machines are no defense to zombie voting or identity theft voting.
I’m at work and don’t have time to read the article, but I agree, this is a joke and needs to be fixed. But, I would like to see our military get the vote. If not, they should walk off the field and refuse to return until they vote and their vote is counted.
The real solution is to repeal the Motor Voter and Help America Vote Acts. Both were invitations to fraud.
The Dems don’t want to do anything about voter fraud because they benefit invariably from it. Similarly, they don’t want to fix the bottleneck that exists with military personnel stationed abroad submitting their ballots, because they know that the vast majority of them will vote Repub.
You could argue that Section 7 is the provision that should not be enforced – in fact should not even exist. Any citizen that is not self-motivated enough to figure out how to register will not bother to become aware of the issues and does not deserve a vote. Section 7 is really about special interest groups (those willing to violate this sacred part of our political process) manipulating elections by selecting out those among the unaware and uncaring who will likely be sympathetic to their ideological message.
However Section 8 is critical. Only third world dictatorships and banana republics have such a cavalier attitude toward voter legitimacy.
Mr. Adams: It might be useful for you to set up a website or Wiki and tell people specifically how you have gone about checking these registration rolls, and providing a place where others can coordinate to check … perhaps the entire country? It would probably only take a few hundred or thousand people…
You people voted in this communist Obama and his communist and socialist friends. Now live with your being complacent and turning a blind eye to the truth!
We can EASILY fix this;
Just have folks who vote Republican start using the dead people’s names to vote to make sure elections end up in OUR favor.
Then suddenly, the DOJ will have an interest in cleaning up the rolls.
Or, you could hire the Florida 2000 Republican Attorney General and just have her declare a third of the electorate in counties and or states that your out numbered and have those votes electronically declared ineligible and erased. Jeb Bush did that for his brother, after Gore was declared the winner and it reversed the outcome, thereby giving George the white house !! Hail to the Thief !!
OR, you could give people in a democrat area 6 votes each, just like they did in NY to make sure the latino candidate won!
“POOR CITIZEN”
Don’t know if you truly are a citizen, but poor you are.
If I were you, I’d sue my school administration. That way, you would have more money to spread around your ‘intelligence’.
Lotsa luck!
Sweet jeebus…weren’t there two papers that did an independant study after the whole supreme court facas saying that Gore would have lost anyway- wasn’t one of them the NYT (not exactly a friend to Bush)? Can we get past this old pos line now too?
How hard is this?
You register to vote for that year if you file your tax return. You don’t have to pay any taxes, or owe any taxes, but you have to file to be on the voter rolls.
If you won’t square up for your tax burden if you own one, you shouldn’t be able to vote.
Not That Hard::
You have made a very good point — indeed, if one must file, income to be taxed or not, AND SSNs are for citizens only (requiring adequate identification) we can leave non-citizens with TIDs &c. and clean up two rolls at once.
For those parasites (including tax cheats)and politicians who like to hide, they can also skip voting as another opportunity to pervert our society any further than they have already done.
Any public official or employee who is a party to such frauds commits a felony and deserves to be barred from public employment of any kind forever.
But then that is a no brainer.
Have a nice day.
“Bring out your dead!” Bet you thought that that was a Monty Python line, didn’t ya? In point of fact it’s a democrat party get out the vote drive. Oh, and PC, you got any actual, you know, PROOF to back up this so-called assertion? Because I’m sure, what with your home boys holding all the reins currently, that if there was any actual PROOF we’d be getting beat over the head 24/7 with it. (cue cricket chirps here) Thought so.
“I have previously written at PJM that we have a long history of voter fraud, even if it doesn’t often affect election outcomes.”
While it may appear that way, in reality it is likely it has affected outcomes. Take dead voters for instance.
The most common voter fraud is voting folks who didn’t show up at the poll but end up getting voted anyway. The register (voters list) shows who has voted and who hasn’t. Fraudulent voters come this list. Usually happens after the polls have closed in center cities where poll watchers are not present or can’t observe. Failure to clean up the list provides an abundant number of potential voters.
No one practicing voter fraud wants to have dead people vote. They don’t go to graveyards to get names. They are an inadvertent by-product of using a list that hasn’t been purged. If for instance a voter list contains 5% dead voters and a recount or audit turns up 500 fraudulent dead voters, it means 20 times that number of fraudulent votes were actually cast — or 10,000 fraudulent votes. (5% of 10,000 is 500)
There are many other ways to cheat. Milwaukee regularly prints more ballots than the voting age population. And more people vote than the voting age population. Fraud friendly same day registration and having Chicago nearby likely is a contributing factor.
Mr. Adams, it would be helpful if you could publish what organization is helping you in your lawsuits. It is expensive to litigate on that level and there are many who would like to help you fianancially. Also, please write a book on your observations. John Fund has done an excellent job, but another voice would be helpful.
This is truly important work, and the reminder to do the right thing in November is good. But it will take far more than an election or two to correct what is wrong with America. Politics is just the final end result, not a primary cause.
The country is ripe for a peaceful cultural revolution (it’s been done before, elsewhere), one that removes ALL significant Progressive influence from education, media, academia, film and TV, and everyday life. There is no more reason to tolerate the dominance of those ideas in those important aspects of life here than there is to put up with their corrupt practices in politics.
Christian: PLEASE make sure you keep ALL of us posted on this; I STILL can’t believe this IDIOT is BLATANTLY doing all of this RIGHT IN FRONT OF OUR EYES!
I want him removed, Christian. Good luck, sweetie. xo
My memory isn’t what it used to be, but I vaguely recall that after the 2000 elections there was a report that over 160 counties nationwide had more ballots cast than they had people of voting age. Last I recall was the old “It’s too late to do anything about it now” or “We have no way of knowing who voted for whom”. In the same vein, one state (Maine?) had more ballots cast than eligible/registered voters.
I also recall (caveat continues) someone finding about 50,000 ballots in a locker in Pennsylvania a couple days after the election, and about 20,000 somewhere in upstate NY.
Remember, too, that many Americans fully support democracy and free elections only so long as their people win.
Oooh, I’m sure the DOJ is just shaking in its boots at the prospect of having to deal with you again. You’ve proven so effective in the past, and all.
WHY WAIT???? Go ahead with the lawsuits now or they will get tied up in court and may not result in any meaningful relief from the cheating. Filing the lawsuits now will also raise awareness of the population to the problem. WHY WAIT???
Why wait? Because the law says you have to. Private plaintiffs must give 20 days notice under the law.
Man registers his dog, Tuckup, an 11-year-old black lab and golden retriever mix to vote in New Mexico. After receiving a voter registration card, he mentions it on a blog, gets busted, serves nine months probation and the case was dropped.
The DOJ is but an extension of the Obama Marxist orginization he has installed to help him RUIN the US and install Communism, right here!
He desperately wants himself and Bill Ayers AND countless other criminals to be the United States Politburo, IF the lying SOB can finish US off (which I doubt).
Not saying they would do this, just wonder if this could be done.
The Voter Rolls (or electoral registers) is a listing of all those registered to vote in a particular area may also be used to select people for jury duty. So it sounds like the DOJ has access to all the states Voter Rolls . What if someone researched each states electoral roll so to find out all the dead, felonious and ineligible voters that are on those lists, then give that information to certain people from each state working from there campaign Caucus, etc., and use those names for votes, or maybe even just register them electronically someway.
This lawsuit threat is frivolous. You havent even done your homework about the population and the voter rolls. I studied Adams County Iowa and see nothing wrong. What figures did you use for current population and current percentage of adults?
Mr. Depew’s blog makes a couple of errors, three of which I will address.
A. He characterizes the effort to ensure credible voter rolls as “partisan.” That’s an interesting charge without merit given 1) we had no idea what political party Mauro was from, and 2) Republican secretaries of state received similar letters. For example, in Mississippi and South Dakota, the letters went to Republicans. But it is an old standby defense. Can’t blame someone from using a familiar easy talking point.
B. There are numerous statistical errors in Mr. Depews blog discussing Iowa. But I’ll point out just one. Depew makes absolutely no adjustment for CVAP – or citizen voting age population. He provides the number for TVAP (total voting age population) at 3410. The more relevant number is CVAP. CVAP < TVAP. CVAP may be equal to TVAP, but that is unlikely. Whether or not the deviation is significant is an outstanding issue, but the fact is Mr. Depew disregarded this entirely. There are obviously lots more than can be said about statistics, but here is not the place. I only note one obvious error of Mr. Depew to illustrate that his polemic has gaps.
C. It is a shame that debates about proper enforcement of Motor Voter Section 8 can't have more credible and measured language. Claiming someone wants to "make Iowa look bad" (See A above) or calling people "partisan hacks trying to gin up fears of dead people" (Id.) is both untrue, but undermines the credibility of whatever argument accompanies it. Normally I don't respond to that sort of bombast, but given the obvious error in both his math, and his obloquy, I'll respond, once.
A: Your goal is obviously partisan. It is always Republicans who want to raise fears of voter fraud. They hope to put new barriers up to voting by requiring photo ID. That will disenfranchise 85 year old women who no longer drive, and other likely Democrats.
B: So how many non-citizen adults do you think there are in that county in Iowa? Damn few! Maybe none. At least I provide my figures, which you do not.
Thanks Mr. Depew – more ad hominem attacks. That won’t win over minds.
“Its always republicans that want to raise the fear over voter fraud.”
There are so many thing wrong with this statement it is hard to know where to start. For one, it ascribes motive – “raise fear over voter fraud” – and gives it a purely partisan character. One might start by asking whether voter fraud exists. Obviously it does. You say it doesn’t. That lessens your credibility.
http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/voter-fraud-and-democracy-how-damaging-is-dojs-failure-to-enforce-voting-law/
But efforts to force compliance with Section 8 don’t require proving vote fraud. The law says no such thing. Mr. Depew ought to answer the question whether he wants compliance with Section 8, no ifs ands or buts. Another problem is you fail to note, or change your argument (both would be intellectually dishonest) that the notice letters went to GOP Secretaries of State. Recall your initial line of attack was the claim this was a conspiracy against the Iowa Secretary of State to advance a partisan outcome in the election. You spoke too soon without knowing all the facts. Now that you know them, your argument has morphed into a more philosophical style partisan attack. Sorry, the law is the law. Either states are complying, or they are not. If Iowa does not appear to be in compliance, a cause of action may exist to require compliance, plain and simple.
“At least I provide my figures.” Yes, as I pointed out, figures derived from a flawed methodology. The methodology is as deficient as if I counted Spanish surnames and presumed they were noncitizens. There are ways to analyze data, and ways not to. Using Reg/TVAP might work in the blogosphere, but isn’t relevant in a courtroom.
Photo ID? Wonder where that bogeyman came from?