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		<title>By: J.Chaparian</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/blog/do-certain-illegal-immigrants-deserve-to-stay/#comment-65538</link>
		<dc:creator>J.Chaparian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jun 2008 20:05:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am of Armenian Ancestry. Let me be the first to tell you that a lot of the posters here are writing with their feelings, not facts. I would like to rebut what one poster wrote stating that &quot;Armenia has no plan to impose its language and culture on the United States or parts of the United States.&quot;, I take it that you have never been to Glendale, CA or Pasadena, CA etc. 

Every ethnic community has its goods and bads. That is why certain jokes within ethnic circles can cross into other ethnic cultures and be found funny. For instance there is an animated web series that is Armenian called &quot;Harut&quot; it shows an old lady speaking Armenian to her neighbor, her neighbor not understanding and proceeds to go home to complain to her husband &quot;Can you believe after all these years of us living here our neighbors have yet to learn Armenian?&quot;, if you change it to any race and their language people in that community will laugh because we all have those people. The Chinese, Koreans, Vietnamese, Iranians, Indians, Greeks, Armenians, Mexicans,Italians. Everyone. That is why you have China Towns, Little India, Little Saigon, Little Italy and so forth in just about every major U.S. City.

Also what many people do not realize is that illegals who cross the border in Mexico are not generally Mexican. Most are from Central American countries believe it or not, it is just easier to classify them as Mexican and you know why? Because then the deportation process is less expensive for the U.S., they then only have to ship them to Mexico instead of their native country, wherever that may be. Think about that.

The fact is that anyone and everyone complains about whatever ethnic group is the majority in their city. Glendale complains about Armenians, Los Angeles complains about Mexicans, though I have heard Blacks as well but people are a lot quieter about it since it seems to be politically incorrect to do so, San Francisco complains about the Chinese and Russian immigrants and so on. It is to be expected though, as we are human and humans tend to be territorial.

The Sad Fact is that people will see what they want. The moment they hear the word &quot;illegal&quot; they will think of whatever ethnic group they don&#039;t like. The moment people hear Latin, may will hear Mexican, Cuban, Dominican, etc. Not the actual nationality. The moment people hear Asian, they will hear Chinese, Vietnamese, Cambodian, etc. Not the actual nationality. The moment people hear Middle Eastern, they will hear, Iraqi, Iranian, Lebanese, etc. Not the actual nationality. Think about that.

The first part to finding a solution is to not be so blinded by our disdain for people and realize that the United States became a melting pot. The problem with that is that once you start something, it is really hard to stop it. It is like being in line to pay for anything and the person at the register closes mid line and says sorry I&#039;m on break, the first thought in your head is &quot;why not me too? you can ring one more person up, can&#039;t you?&quot; and you become the person who refuses to leave the line. Other customers will see you as the A-hole and others will say, he has a point we should be helped as well. Think about that.

There is no easy solution. The #1 thing is Strengthen all borders and treat the issue as a melting pot. Not just make it &quot;per race or nationality&quot;. The moment you add stipulations, you will get the &quot;Why not me too?&quot; people. It is human nature. Also, once you make it a race issue you weaken your stance and people will just say &quot;Oh its just another loud mouth racist.&quot;, not &quot;Oh, that person has a valid stance on Immigration.&quot; Period. Think about that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am of Armenian Ancestry. Let me be the first to tell you that a lot of the posters here are writing with their feelings, not facts. I would like to rebut what one poster wrote stating that &#8220;Armenia has no plan to impose its language and culture on the United States or parts of the United States.&#8221;, I take it that you have never been to Glendale, CA or Pasadena, CA etc. </p>
<p>Every ethnic community has its goods and bads. That is why certain jokes within ethnic circles can cross into other ethnic cultures and be found funny. For instance there is an animated web series that is Armenian called &#8220;Harut&#8221; it shows an old lady speaking Armenian to her neighbor, her neighbor not understanding and proceeds to go home to complain to her husband &#8220;Can you believe after all these years of us living here our neighbors have yet to learn Armenian?&#8221;, if you change it to any race and their language people in that community will laugh because we all have those people. The Chinese, Koreans, Vietnamese, Iranians, Indians, Greeks, Armenians, Mexicans,Italians. Everyone. That is why you have China Towns, Little India, Little Saigon, Little Italy and so forth in just about every major U.S. City.</p>
<p>Also what many people do not realize is that illegals who cross the border in Mexico are not generally Mexican. Most are from Central American countries believe it or not, it is just easier to classify them as Mexican and you know why? Because then the deportation process is less expensive for the U.S., they then only have to ship them to Mexico instead of their native country, wherever that may be. Think about that.</p>
<p>The fact is that anyone and everyone complains about whatever ethnic group is the majority in their city. Glendale complains about Armenians, Los Angeles complains about Mexicans, though I have heard Blacks as well but people are a lot quieter about it since it seems to be politically incorrect to do so, San Francisco complains about the Chinese and Russian immigrants and so on. It is to be expected though, as we are human and humans tend to be territorial.</p>
<p>The Sad Fact is that people will see what they want. The moment they hear the word &#8220;illegal&#8221; they will think of whatever ethnic group they don&#8217;t like. The moment people hear Latin, may will hear Mexican, Cuban, Dominican, etc. Not the actual nationality. The moment people hear Asian, they will hear Chinese, Vietnamese, Cambodian, etc. Not the actual nationality. The moment people hear Middle Eastern, they will hear, Iraqi, Iranian, Lebanese, etc. Not the actual nationality. Think about that.</p>
<p>The first part to finding a solution is to not be so blinded by our disdain for people and realize that the United States became a melting pot. The problem with that is that once you start something, it is really hard to stop it. It is like being in line to pay for anything and the person at the register closes mid line and says sorry I&#8217;m on break, the first thought in your head is &#8220;why not me too? you can ring one more person up, can&#8217;t you?&#8221; and you become the person who refuses to leave the line. Other customers will see you as the A-hole and others will say, he has a point we should be helped as well. Think about that.</p>
<p>There is no easy solution. The #1 thing is Strengthen all borders and treat the issue as a melting pot. Not just make it &#8220;per race or nationality&#8221;. The moment you add stipulations, you will get the &#8220;Why not me too?&#8221; people. It is human nature. Also, once you make it a race issue you weaken your stance and people will just say &#8220;Oh its just another loud mouth racist.&#8221;, not &#8220;Oh, that person has a valid stance on Immigration.&#8221; Period. Think about that.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael L.</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/blog/do-certain-illegal-immigrants-deserve-to-stay/#comment-64050</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael L.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jun 2008 22:59:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This country was founded by illegal immigrants.  In case no one understands, I mean to say that the Anglos came here illegal from the beginning.  The only true Americans here are the Native Americans.  All you so called Americans can not even trace your ancestry over 400 years ago to this continent.  What does that tell you?  I hear your comments about being sick of the so called &quot;invasion&quot; by Mexicans.  I&#039;m sick of all you Anglos who actually think that you are native to this land.  History does serve its purpose in telling the truth, and exploiting hypocrisy.  The difference between Mexicans and all the other immigrants (including Anglos) is that at least Mexicans can say that their ancestors have been on this land for thousands of years.  I wish the Native Americans could have deported all the true “illegals” of this land when they had the chance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This country was founded by illegal immigrants.  In case no one understands, I mean to say that the Anglos came here illegal from the beginning.  The only true Americans here are the Native Americans.  All you so called Americans can not even trace your ancestry over 400 years ago to this continent.  What does that tell you?  I hear your comments about being sick of the so called &#8220;invasion&#8221; by Mexicans.  I&#8217;m sick of all you Anglos who actually think that you are native to this land.  History does serve its purpose in telling the truth, and exploiting hypocrisy.  The difference between Mexicans and all the other immigrants (including Anglos) is that at least Mexicans can say that their ancestors have been on this land for thousands of years.  I wish the Native Americans could have deported all the true “illegals” of this land when they had the chance.</p>
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		<title>By: dbooth</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/blog/do-certain-illegal-immigrants-deserve-to-stay/#comment-63723</link>
		<dc:creator>dbooth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jun 2008 06:53:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fair enough deguello.  If the Mikoyans lose their &quot;final appeal,&quot; they would have to leave the country. But to me, this would represent the epitome of our FUBAR immigration policy ... law-abiding, successful, integrated immigrants being cut no slack (ultimately), then very publicly being crucified and driven out on a rail by &quot;compassionate&quot; socialists who, in the same breath, proclaim that millions of invading &quot;serfs&quot; deserve immunity for criminal fraud and identity theft.

In the event you&#039;re still checking this blog, I&#039;ll go ahead and take issue with your other assertion. Successful legal immigrants may be useless to Plutocrats, but as long as they are small in numbers, I think the Plutocrats regard them with indifference ... the sort of begrudging indifference they feel towards any other successful American not under their control. The REAL hate comes from the nanny-state socialists and Mexican nationalists ... and especially the Mexican national socialists ;). The Mikoyans are the NEMESIS of such groups, not just because the Mikoyans are useless to their causes (not Mexican nationalists, not marginalized victims needing &quot;representation&quot;), but particularly because the Mikoyans represent success within a system they seek to destroy. Such &quot;poster children for legal immigration&quot; contradict the party line, and therefore must be vilified and destroyed.

Javelin said &quot;we have to start with the Mikoyans.&quot; Instilling such sentiments is the dream of evey Stalinist propagandist.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fair enough deguello.  If the Mikoyans lose their &#8220;final appeal,&#8221; they would have to leave the country. But to me, this would represent the epitome of our FUBAR immigration policy &#8230; law-abiding, successful, integrated immigrants being cut no slack (ultimately), then very publicly being crucified and driven out on a rail by &#8220;compassionate&#8221; socialists who, in the same breath, proclaim that millions of invading &#8220;serfs&#8221; deserve immunity for criminal fraud and identity theft.</p>
<p>In the event you&#8217;re still checking this blog, I&#8217;ll go ahead and take issue with your other assertion. Successful legal immigrants may be useless to Plutocrats, but as long as they are small in numbers, I think the Plutocrats regard them with indifference &#8230; the sort of begrudging indifference they feel towards any other successful American not under their control. The REAL hate comes from the nanny-state socialists and Mexican nationalists &#8230; and especially the Mexican national socialists <img src='http://pjmedia.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> . The Mikoyans are the NEMESIS of such groups, not just because the Mikoyans are useless to their causes (not Mexican nationalists, not marginalized victims needing &#8220;representation&#8221;), but particularly because the Mikoyans represent success within a system they seek to destroy. Such &#8220;poster children for legal immigration&#8221; contradict the party line, and therefore must be vilified and destroyed.</p>
<p>Javelin said &#8220;we have to start with the Mikoyans.&#8221; Instilling such sentiments is the dream of evey Stalinist propagandist.</p>
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		<title>By: deguello</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/blog/do-certain-illegal-immigrants-deserve-to-stay/#comment-63199</link>
		<dc:creator>deguello</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jun 2008 18:09:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fair enough DBooth,they are,as you say,working through the system.What happens when they lose? Do we then countenance their illegally remaining in the country?There are successful Mexican, and other latino immigrants in the USA, who are model citizens, but such people are hated by the plutocracy,and their half wit intellectual lackeys like Navarrette,who want to turn the USA, into a version of Mexico.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fair enough DBooth,they are,as you say,working through the system.What happens when they lose? Do we then countenance their illegally remaining in the country?There are successful Mexican, and other latino immigrants in the USA, who are model citizens, but such people are hated by the plutocracy,and their half wit intellectual lackeys like Navarrette,who want to turn the USA, into a version of Mexico.</p>
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		<title>By: dbooth</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/blog/do-certain-illegal-immigrants-deserve-to-stay/#comment-63031</link>
		<dc:creator>dbooth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jun 2008 07:41:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jude, deguello (and others):
You&#039;d do well to at least browse through the other comments before perpetuating the liablous smear thrown at the Mikoyans in this commentary&#039;s title.  At no time have they been ILLEGAL !!  They have worked LEGALLY through the system all these years, have been model LEGAL resident aliens, and are simply asking for one last consideration that many feel they deserve.  If anything, this family is a role model for LEGAL immigration.  Arthur&#039;s father is a prime candidate for at least a green card, and Arthur should apply for (and receive) a student visa.  His younger brother is already a citizen, and his mother could be (at worst) an au pair.

The only thing that would make them better &quot;legal immigration&quot; poster children would be if they were actually Mexican!  Surely there are successful, legal, Mexican immigrants out there that Navarrette could have chosen to libel and crucify, but somehow I don&#039;t think that would mesh with his racist agenda.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jude, deguello (and others):<br />
You&#8217;d do well to at least browse through the other comments before perpetuating the liablous smear thrown at the Mikoyans in this commentary&#8217;s title.  At no time have they been ILLEGAL !!  They have worked LEGALLY through the system all these years, have been model LEGAL resident aliens, and are simply asking for one last consideration that many feel they deserve.  If anything, this family is a role model for LEGAL immigration.  Arthur&#8217;s father is a prime candidate for at least a green card, and Arthur should apply for (and receive) a student visa.  His younger brother is already a citizen, and his mother could be (at worst) an au pair.</p>
<p>The only thing that would make them better &#8220;legal immigration&#8221; poster children would be if they were actually Mexican!  Surely there are successful, legal, Mexican immigrants out there that Navarrette could have chosen to libel and crucify, but somehow I don&#8217;t think that would mesh with his racist agenda.</p>
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		<title>By: deguello</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/blog/do-certain-illegal-immigrants-deserve-to-stay/#comment-62987</link>
		<dc:creator>deguello</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jun 2008 02:13:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s the problem Jude,Smart, aware Americans.The plutocracy wants to replace them with desperately poor, ignorant, imigrant masses,not informed citizens to seize total control, and bring back dickensian working conditions for all.The goal is to turn the US into a clone of Mexico.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s the problem Jude,Smart, aware Americans.The plutocracy wants to replace them with desperately poor, ignorant, imigrant masses,not informed citizens to seize total control, and bring back dickensian working conditions for all.The goal is to turn the US into a clone of Mexico.</p>
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		<title>By: Jude</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jude</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jun 2008 22:12:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Illegals are illegals, send them all back. Wasn&#039;t it last summer that we (85%) stormed the Congress with this illegal migration and the Congress didn&#039;t move much did it.  We the people of the United States have lost our voice in Washington DC. With the posts on the internet it quite obvious that the people of America are a heck of a lot smarter than the politicians think we are.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Illegals are illegals, send them all back. Wasn&#8217;t it last summer that we (85%) stormed the Congress with this illegal migration and the Congress didn&#8217;t move much did it.  We the people of the United States have lost our voice in Washington DC. With the posts on the internet it quite obvious that the people of America are a heck of a lot smarter than the politicians think we are.</p>
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		<title>By: deguello</title>
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		<dc:creator>deguello</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jun 2008 21:01:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes Javelin, you are right; I really do believe the Mikiyans should go,and all other illegals as well ,regardless of nationality.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes Javelin, you are right; I really do believe the Mikiyans should go,and all other illegals as well ,regardless of nationality.</p>
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		<title>By: Javelin</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/blog/do-certain-illegal-immigrants-deserve-to-stay/#comment-62533</link>
		<dc:creator>Javelin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jun 2008 03:46:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Give Mr. Navarette his due, if we want to get serious about enforcing the law, we have to start with the Mikoyans.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Give Mr. Navarette his due, if we want to get serious about enforcing the law, we have to start with the Mikoyans.</p>
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		<title>By: deguello</title>
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		<dc:creator>deguello</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jun 2008 17:29:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Navarrete is right; these folks broke the law and should be deported;however,Unlike the overwhelming majority of mexicans invading the US, they called attention to themselves, by excelling in school, and having professional aspirations. They thus broke one of the fundamental rules of plutocratic america: We want you here, but only if you agree to do scut work for craop wages.Don&#039;t worry Mr, Navarrete;even if the Mikoyans get to stay, they&#039;ll soon find oout that the jobs they aspired to have been exported to China and India:when they do,they will leave</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Navarrete is right; these folks broke the law and should be deported;however,Unlike the overwhelming majority of mexicans invading the US, they called attention to themselves, by excelling in school, and having professional aspirations. They thus broke one of the fundamental rules of plutocratic america: We want you here, but only if you agree to do scut work for craop wages.Don&#8217;t worry Mr, Navarrete;even if the Mikoyans get to stay, they&#8217;ll soon find oout that the jobs they aspired to have been exported to China and India:when they do,they will leave</p>
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